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[00:00:00] AND IMMIGRATION REFORM.
[00:00:03] HE DID IT ALL.
[00:00:07] THEN HE DID VIETNAM WHICH WAS
[00:00:10] JUST HORRIBLE.
[00:00:14] >> IS VIETNAM THE HARDEST PART TO WRITE?
[00:00:17] >> GOOD QUESTION.
[00:00:26] I AM WRITING IT NOW.
[00:00:33] AND IT IS REALLY DEPRESSING. >> PULITZER PRIZE WINNING
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[00:01:22] >> WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.
[00:01:24] WE ARE JOINED BY JAMES CARVILLE,
[00:01:28] A LONGTIME DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND HE COHOST A PODCAST CALLED
[00:01:32] POLITICS, WAR ROOMS. WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
[00:01:34] >> THANK YOU. >> WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT OF
[00:01:38] THE CURRENT STATE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE RECENT
[00:01:40] RISE OF THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST
[00:01:45] CANDIDATE?
[00:01:47] >> IT IS ACTUALLY A COALITION.
[00:01:49] CLEARLY, COALITION HAS ALWAYS
[00:01:54] BEEN, TO ME, TOO URBAN.
[00:02:02] THE DSA IS BASICALLY AN URBAN
[00:02:03] -BASED POLITICAL GROUP TESTING
[00:02:07] OUT OF LIMITS TO THE DEMOCRATIC COALITION.
[00:02:10] IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN. IT WILL MANIFEST ITSELF FOR SURE
[00:02:14] IN 2028 WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL
[00:02:20] CANDIDATE. >> CLEARLY, THEY ARE WINNING ELECTIONS NOW FOR THIS CYCLE.
[00:02:24] >> WAIT A MINUTE.
[00:02:27] THEY ARE WINNING SOME PRIMARIES.
[00:02:33] OKAY. THEY ARE ALSO -- THE PRESS TENDS
[00:02:34] TO FOCUS ON THAT IF THEY WIN.
[00:02:38] BUT NOT IF THEY LOSE.
[00:02:40] WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE
[00:02:44] END OF THE 26 CYCLE. MORE PORTLY, THE 28TH CYCLE,
[00:02:48] THEY WILL HAVE TO RUN SOMEBODY FOR PRESIDENT AND SEE HOW WELL
[00:02:50] THEY DO.
[00:02:54] >> THERE IS A RECENT CNN POLL
[00:02:55] THAT INDICATED THAT A THIRD OF
[00:02:58] DEMOCRATS NOW IDENTIFY AS DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS.
[00:03:02] THIS IS MOSTLY LED BY YOUNG PEOPLE.
[00:03:03] AND BY YOUNG, WE MEAN UNDER 45.
[00:03:06] WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT TREND?
[00:03:10] >> LOOK, A LOT OF THIS IS NOT JUST YOUNG VOTING PEOPLE.
[00:03:13] HEAVILY YOUNGER WHITE PEOPLE.
[00:03:17] YOU SEE THAT MORE AND MORE.
[00:03:23] AND I SUSPECT IT IS SOMETHING YOU WILL CONTINUE TO SEEK.
[00:03:27] THIS MOVEMENT IS MOSTLY COMING
[00:03:31] FROM EDUCATED YOUNGER WHITES. IT HAS NOT HAD MUCH OF AN EFFECT
[00:03:34] YET IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
[00:03:37] WE WILL SEE WHAT IT IS GOING
[00:03:39] FORWARD.
[00:03:43] >> JAMES, YOU SEEM PRETTY DISMISSIVE OF THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS. YOU JUST DON'T THINK IT IS A BIG
[00:03:47] OF A DEAL?
[00:03:51] >> I CAN'T SAY I'M DISMISSIVE ABOUT THEM.
[00:03:54] THEY HAD A NOMINEE THEY WERE BEHIND IN MICHIGAN AND ONE IN
[00:03:57] WISCONSIN.
[00:04:02] THEY HAD WON RACES IN NEW YORK. I JUST KNOW THAT THE COALITION
[00:04:06] WILL BE TESTED IN THE COMING
[00:04:09] COUPLE OF YEARS, LIKE IT HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED BEFORE.
[00:04:12] IT WILL BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
[00:04:14] MAYBE IN 2028, IT WILL CAUSE THE
[00:04:18] TWO PARTY SYSTEM TO REALIGN ITSELF OR MAYBE WE WILL HAVE
[00:04:22] MORE THAN TWO PARTIES. I DON'T KNOW. IT WILL BE HARD TO KEEP
[00:04:26] EVERYBODY UNDER THE SAME ROOF.
[00:04:33] >> REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN CALLING DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS.
[00:04:36] WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
[00:04:39] >> WE HAVE BEEN CALLING DEMOCRATS COMMUNISTS SINCE THE 1940s.
[00:04:42] IF I HAD DIRECTED THE FAILURE --
[00:04:49] I'M JUST SAYING, HOW BIG OF A FAILURE WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
[00:04:52] WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC FAILURE IN
[00:04:56] PORTIONS THAT ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. WE LOST A WAR.
[00:04:59] WE LOST OUR ALLIES.
[00:05:04] WE ARE $40 TRILLION IN DEBT.
[00:05:09] HOW DO YOU GET UP IN THE MORNING AND LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR?
[00:05:12] I REALLY WOULD NOT KNOW IF I WAS
[00:05:16] IN A PARTY THAT FAILED THIS COLOSSALLY. >> DO YOU MEAN IN THE LAST TWO
[00:05:20] YEARS?
[00:05:25] THEY CERTAINLY WON THE LAST ELECTION AND ARE IN CONTROL OF
[00:05:27] THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. >> JANUARY 20TH, 2025, DONALD
[00:05:31] TRUMP TOOK OFFICE.
[00:05:35] REPUBLICANS HAD COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE IN THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.
[00:05:39] WE HAVE HAD A BAD, BAD TWO
[00:05:45] YEARS, EIGHT WERE NINE MONTHS.
[00:05:45] REALLY BAD.
[00:05:49] ALL THE SOUND AND FURY AND DISTRACTIONS AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS AND WHAT ABOUT THIS
[00:05:53] AND WHAT ABOUT THAT AND WHAT
[00:05:55] HAPPENED HERE, IT IS A
[00:05:59] DISTRACTION FROM THE MAJOR
[00:06:00] COLOSSAL DEAL THE UNITED STATES
[00:06:04] IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
[00:06:08] >> ONE MORE SCENARIO. A LEFTIST STREAMER MADE NEWS RECENTLY.
[00:06:12] YOU SAID IF HE REMAINS A FORCE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THEN
[00:06:15] YOU ARE OUT OF HERE. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD TO
[00:06:19] THAT? >> I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HE HAS NEVER
[00:06:23] RUN FOR OFFICE BEFORE.
[00:06:25] JUST RUNNING HIS MOUTH.
[00:06:30] I GUESS HE WILL JUST KEEP RUNNING HIS MOUTH.
[00:06:32] I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
[00:06:35] LET'S SEE HOW THESE ELECTIONS GO.
[00:06:37] WE ARE GOING TO SEE AND
[00:06:40] PARTICULARLY IN 2020 ON WHERE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS.
[00:06:43] >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS SAID
[00:06:47] ABOUT THIS AND THEN I WILL HAVE
[00:06:51] TO RESPOND TO IT.
[00:06:52] >> WHEN SOMEONE LIKE JAMES CARVILLE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO
[00:06:56] BE IN THE SAME POLITICAL PARTY
[00:06:57] AS A FIGHTER, WHICH ONE WILL YOU
[00:07:04] TAKE? >> THAT IS NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE.
[00:07:07] IF MR. CARVILLE DOES NOT WANT TO
[00:07:08] BE IN THE PARTY I BELONG TO, HE
[00:07:14] CAN START HIS OWN PARTY.
[00:07:17] LOOK, WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW IS, YOU CAN TURN THE TABLES AROUND
[00:07:20] AND SAY, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO
[00:07:23] BE IN A PARTY WHERE YOUR
[00:07:25] LEADERSHIP IS TAKING YOU AMOUNTS
[00:07:29] OF MONEY FROM AIPAC WHICH IS
[00:07:31] SUPPORTING AN EXTREMIST BENJAMIN NETANYAHU GOVERNMENT, WHICH MANY
[00:07:35] OF US BELIEVE IT IS GENOCIDE. DO YOU WANT TO BE IN A PARTY WITH PEOPLE WHO DO THAT?
[00:07:39] YOU WANT TO BE IN A PARTY THAT
[00:07:45] IS GETTING PARTY MONEY FROM AI OR CRYPTO?
[00:07:49] YOU CAN PICK WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PICK. I THINK WE NEED A BIG TEST AND I
[00:07:52] THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE WELCOMED
[00:07:57] INTO THAT. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK, JAMES CARVILLE?
[00:08:00] >> I WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF FACT CHECKING.
[00:08:03] I HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.
[00:08:06] BERNIE SANDERS IS NOT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE GETS OFF
[00:08:09] KILLING ME.
[00:08:13] HE WAS VERY CAREFUL NOT TO SAY THAT HE WAS NOT A DEMOCRAT.
[00:08:17] THAT HE WAS A SOCIALIST. I DON'T NEED LECTURES ON WHAT IT
[00:08:21] MEANS TO BE A DEMOCRAT. I REALLY DON'T. AND FOR SOMEONE WHO IS NOT
[00:08:24] REALLY A DEMOCRAT --
[00:08:27] >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN OUR CONVERSATION WITH JAMES CARVILLE
[00:08:30] AND YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OR ABOUT CAMPAIGN 2026,
[00:08:34] CALL US NOW.
[00:08:44] WE WILL GET TO YOUR CALLS SHORTLY.
[00:08:47] JAMES CARVILLE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SPECIFIC RACES
[00:08:51] STARTING WITH THE MICHIGAN SENATE RACE.
[00:08:53] THIS IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN
[00:08:56] EL-SADED AND MIKE ROGERS.
[00:09:01] WHERE YOU SEE THAT GOING?
[00:09:05] >> OBVIOUSLY, HE HAS SAID SOME CONTROVERSIAL THINGS AND THEY
[00:09:06] KEEP POUNDING THAT.
[00:09:10] AND THEY WILL POUND THE LEFT WING POLITICS AND THEY WILL
[00:09:14] POUND DONALD TRUMP'S RUN IN MICHIGAN.
[00:09:17] AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT
[00:09:18] MICHIGAN VOTERS ARE MORE UPSET
[00:09:21] WITH COME WITH SOME IDIOTIC
[00:09:24] LEFT-WING TALKING POINTS.
[00:09:28] OR SAYING THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO THAT NOW.
[00:09:31] I STILL THINK TRUMP WILL BE THE
[00:09:34] MOTIVATING FACTOR IN THE RACE.
[00:09:41] >> WHEN YOU SAY PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE THE MOTIVATING FACTOR IN
[00:09:43] THE RACE, EXPLAINED THAT. EXPLAIN THAT. BECAUSE YOU PREVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN
[00:09:47] CRITICAL OF DEMOCRATS PUTTING
[00:09:49] ALL THE FOCUS ON DONALD TRUMP.
[00:09:54] >> I WROTE THAT IN JANUARY OF 2025. I THINK IT TURNED OUT TO BE
[00:09:56] REALLY GOOD ADVICE.
[00:09:59] THAT THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD ALLOW
[00:10:01] HIM TO COLLAPSE UNDER HIS OWN
[00:10:05] WAY TOO. HE HAS OFFICIALLY COLLAPSED UNDER HIS OWN WEAK.
[00:10:08] AND NOW IS THE TIME TO KEEP REMINDING PEOPLE ABOUT THAT.
[00:10:12] AND I WOULD SAY THIS.
[00:10:16] WHEN THE BACK HAS CHANGED, I CHANGE MY MIND. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE DO.
[00:10:19] I THINK THE STRATEGY OF GIVING
[00:10:22] HIM A ROPE AND LETTING HIM HANG HIMSELF HAS WORKED REALLY WELL.
[00:10:25] AND NOW IT IS TIME TO REAP THE
[00:10:28] BENEFITS OF THE.
[00:10:30] >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT GRAHAM PLATTNER, THE FORMER
[00:10:34] CANDIDATE IN MAINE.
[00:10:37] THERE IS A QUOTE FROM YOU
[00:10:39] SAYING, IT IS A SHAME HE ISN'T
[00:10:43] STILL AROUND OR HE MAY HAVE BEEN THE MOST TALENTED DEMOCRAT SINCE OBAMA.
[00:10:47] IS THAT CORRECT?
[00:10:47] DO YOU STILL STAND BY THAT?
[00:10:52] >> I GUESS I DID SAY THAT. THE CONTEXT -- NEVER SAW HIM
[00:10:56] CAMPAIGN.
[00:11:00] READING STORIES ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO CONNECT PEOPLE.
[00:11:02] HIS ABILITY TO CLAIM A MESSAGE
[00:11:05] AND WHAT HE WAS SAYING. I WATCHED CLIPS OF IT. I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THE GUY
[00:11:09] WAS A GOOD CANDIDATE.
[00:11:14] JUST A REALLY GOOD CANDIDATE.
[00:11:19] HE HAD A LOT OF DEMONS TO OVERCOME. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT.
[00:11:22] IN TERMS OF SHEER POLITICAL TALENT, HE HAD THAT. I WOULD STAND BY THAT STATEMENT
[00:11:26] ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. >> DO YOU THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN THE RACE?
[00:11:30] >> I DON'T KNOW. APPARENTLY HE THOUGHT HE
[00:11:33] COULDN'T AT THE TIME.
[00:11:35] YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON
[00:11:37] IN A PERSON'S LIFE.
[00:11:41] POLITICAL LIFE OR FAMILY LIFE OR A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
[00:11:45] >> AND ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. >> HE HAD ALL OF THAT.
[00:11:49] IT IS A SENATE SEAT.
[00:11:57] NOT THAT CLOSE. >> HERE IS KEEP CALLING US FROM
[00:12:01] PALM BAY, FLORIDA. REPUBLICAN LINE. YOU ARE ON WITH JAMES CARVILLE.
[00:12:03] >> GOOD MORNING. JAMES, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME
[00:12:07] CALLING YOU JANE'S -- >> I LOVE THAT.
[00:12:11] THAT IS MY NAME. PLEASE DO.
[00:12:13] >> AS MUCH AS I DISAGREE WITH
[00:12:16] ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU SAY, I HAVE ALWAYS RESPECTED YOU AND I
[00:12:19] HAVE ALWAYS ENJOYED YOU AND VERY
[00:12:27] WITH THE BACK AND FORTH. I HOPE SHE IS DOING OKAY.
[00:12:31] >> SHE IS DOING GREAT.
[00:12:35] >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL GET BACK TOGETHER AND DO THE
[00:12:37] CROSSFIRE.
[00:12:42] >> TO GET TO MY POINT, A LOT OF
[00:12:43] REPUBLICANS -- THEY ARE CALLING
[00:12:50] IT THE RED GREEN REVOLUTION. WHETHER YOU CALL THEM SOCIALIST
[00:12:54] OR COMMUNIST, GOING TOGETHER
[00:12:57] WITH THE ISLAMISTS TO TAKE OVER
[00:12:58] THINGS, AND WHAT IS IRONIC IS
[00:13:01] THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED TO IRAN
[00:13:06] AND 79 WHERE THEY JOINED FORCES
[00:13:07] TOGETHER AND THE GREEN SLAUGHTER
[00:13:12] THE RED AFTER THEY HELP THEM GET INTO POWER.
[00:13:15] DO YOU THINK THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT GOING ON IN THE COUNTRY?
[00:13:19] A RED IN GREEN REVOLUTION.
[00:13:21] WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
[00:13:25] >> I DON'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT GOING ON.
[00:13:27] NOT REALLY.
[00:13:32] I THINK PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE AND WHAT
[00:13:35] IS HAPPENING IN THEIR LIVES.
[00:13:38] AND THE COST OF EVERYTHING.
[00:13:40] THE GIGANTIC CORRUPTION. I THINK THERE IS A REAL SENSE
[00:13:44] THAT THIS COUNTRY INTERNALLY IS
[00:13:47] FALLING APART.
[00:13:52] THANK YOU. THAT THESE
[00:14:04] PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING ARE FRUSTRATED WITH BOTH PARTIES?
[00:14:08] GUEST: TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE THE SAME TIME.
[00:14:13] I COULDN'T TELL YOU THEY AREN'T FRUSTRATED WITH BOTH PARTIES,
[00:14:17] BUT THE WAY THAT PEOPLE THINK, IF ONE PARTY HAS ALL THE POWER,
[00:14:22] I THINK PEOPLE THINK LIKE THIS, IF NOTHING'S GOING RIGHT, WHAT
[00:14:26] DO I HAVE TO LOSE, I'M VOTING FOR THE OTHER PARTY. THE PARTY WE PUT IN THERE
[00:14:30] OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO THE JOB, IT'S
[00:14:34] GOING THE WRONG WAY. IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THIS OR HASSAN PIKER OR
[00:14:38] THANKSGIVING DAY OR SOMETHING ELSE? AT THE END OF THE DAY, PEOPLE
[00:14:43] SAY WE ARE LOSING A WAR, COSTS
[00:14:47] ARE GOING UP LIKE CRAZY, WE CANNOT GET ANYTHING DONE, WE ARE
[00:14:51] LOSING ALL OF OUR ALLIES.
[00:14:53] BUDGET OF $41 TRILLION, THEY
[00:14:56] WILL VOTE THE PARTY THAT'S IN OUT IN SPITE OF THEIR BEST
[00:14:59] EFFORTS TO COME UP WITH EVERY DISTRACTION TO GET PEOPLE TO NOT
[00:15:03] THINK ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN THE COUNTRY AND IN THEIR LIVES.
[00:15:13] HOST: STEVE, DEMOCRATIC LINE,
[00:15:18] LAS VEGAS. CALLER: MR. CARVILLE, HOST, SO HONORED TO GET TO SPEAK WITH
[00:15:22] YOU.
[00:15:24] I'M A BLACK VOTER WHO IS 59.
[00:15:27] I FIRST STARTED FOLLOWING
[00:15:30] POLITICS DURING THE IRAN HOSTAGE CRISIS WHEN I WAS ABOUT 12.
[00:15:36] I THINK I'VE SEEN THE ENTIRE
[00:15:41] THING PLAY OUT.
[00:15:45] WE NEED TO SURRENDER TO IRAN IN
[00:15:49] ORDER TO ACHIEVE PEACE.
[00:15:54] A STRATEGIC SURRENDER IN THE SENSE THAT WE WILL OFFER THEM
[00:15:57] THE RECOGNITION OF PALESTINIAN
[00:16:02] STATEHOOD IN EXCHANGE FOR OPENING THE STATE OF HORMUZ.
[00:16:06] WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR
[00:16:09] POLITICS WITH REGARDS TO IRAN IS BUILT ON RACE.
[00:16:13] HOWEVER RACIST WE ARE, THEY ARE MORE RACIST THAN US.
[00:16:21] I APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.
[00:16:23] GUEST: THANK YOU, THAT'S A LOT
[00:16:28] TO DIGEST THERE. YEAH, WE'VE LOST THIS WORK.
[00:16:33] WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET OUT OF THERE RIGHT NOW.
[00:16:36] THE FASTER WE CAN GET OUT, THE BETTER OFF WE WILL BE.
[00:16:41] IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THIS WAS
[00:16:42] A COLOSSAL MISTAKE.
[00:16:51] I DON'T BUY SOME OF THE INTERPRETATIONS OF OUR RECENT
[00:16:55] CALLER. I THINK IT WAS A COLOSSAL ACT OF STUPIDITY AND BEHALF OF TRUMP,
[00:16:59] WHICH FALLS IN LINE WITH MOST OF THE THINGS HE DOES.
[00:17:03] HOST: ATLANTIC CITY, NEW JERSEY,
[00:17:07] INDEPENDENT LINE.
[00:17:09] CALLER: THANK YOU, C-SPAN.
[00:17:14] TO JAMES CARVILLE, I HAVE TO SAY, MY FATHER WAS A HUGE FAN OF
[00:17:18] YOU, MY MOTHER IS A HUGE FAN.
[00:17:19] MY HUSBAND AND I ARE HUGE FANS. JUST CAN EVEN SAY.
[00:17:24] I'M NOT EVEN WORTHY TO BE SPEAKING TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
[00:17:30] I'M SO EXCITED TO ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS.
[00:17:33] I HAVE 1000 QUESTIONS, BUT I KIND OF NARROWED IT DOWN TO A
[00:17:37] FEW. ALL I CAN SAY IS MORE CARVILLE
[00:17:40] IN THE 26 ELECTION. I WANT TO SAY THAT FIRST.
[00:17:46] I HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.
[00:17:49] I WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOU THINK.
[00:17:51] SO, MY FIRST QUESTION IS DO YOU
[00:17:55] THINK THAT BERNIE SANDERS IN 2016 DIVIDED THE DEMOCRATIC
[00:18:00] PARTY AND GAVE US TRUMP IN 2016?
[00:18:05] HOST: OK, HOLD ON, PATTY, LET'S
[00:18:10] GET AN ANSWER TO THAT FIRST. GUEST: YES.
[00:18:19] REMEMBER, MORE VOTES IN PENNSYLVANIA, WHO -- MICHIGAN,
[00:18:24] WISCONSIN THEN HILLARY LOST BY. THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY BEGINS WITH
[00:18:27] BERNIE SANDERS. UNDERSTAND THAT. DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IS TO NOT
[00:18:33] UNDERSTAND LOGIC. AND I WOULD ADD THE SECOND BUSH
[00:18:37] PRESIDENCY STARTED WITH RALPH NADER.
[00:18:39] WITHOUT RALPH NADER, AL GORE WOULD HAVE WON EASILY.
[00:18:43] HOST: IN YOUR NEXT QUESTION, PATTY?
[00:18:46] CALLER: I'M A DEMOCRATIC
[00:18:51] LEANING, ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT.
[00:18:54] I CONSIDER MYSELF AN INDEPENDENT
[00:18:56] NOW, STARTING 15 YEARS AGO, WHEN THE DEMOCRATS CREATED THE DBS
[00:19:02] MOVEMENT.
[00:19:07] BOYCOTTS, DIVESTING FROM ISRAEL.
[00:19:08] I'M A JEWISH REBELLION.
[00:19:13] BY THE WAY, DONALD TRUMP RUINED SO MANY LIVES IN ATLANTA, THAT
[00:19:17] SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. ANYWAY.
[00:19:23] NOW WE HAVE THIS VIRULENT
[00:19:27] MOVEMENT WITH THE STUDENTS, THE IVY LEAGUES.
[00:19:30] I AM SO MAD AT BOTH PARTIES RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
[00:19:37] OBVIOUSLY, THE SPINELESS REPUBLICANS, THE CORRUPTION OF
[00:19:40] THE REPUBLICANS, I CAN'T GO WITH THAT.
[00:19:43] SO, I HAD KIND OF HAVE TO GO WITH THE DEMOCRATS, BUT I JUST
[00:19:46] DON'T KNOW. I DON'T SUPPORT THE SOCIALIST MOVEMENT.
[00:19:52] MY THIRD QUESTION IS, CAN THE
[00:19:56] DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA
[00:19:58] FORMED THEIR OWN PARTY, LIKE THE GREEN PARTY?
[00:20:01] I'M KIND OF WITH YOU. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO BE IN
[00:20:05] THAT TENT, BUT OF COURSE, THE
[00:20:06] REPUBLICANS ALLOWED MAGA, SO WHAT DO WE DO?
[00:20:12] GUEST: FIRST OF ALL, THEY DO
[00:20:16] HAVE THEIR OWN PARTY, IT'S CALLED THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA.
[00:20:20] I WISH THEY WOULD STAY CONTENT TO HAVE THEIR OWN PARTY. WE DON'T REALLY NEED YOU.
[00:20:26] YOU ARE MORE TROUBLE THAN YOU ARE WORTH, IF YOU ASK ME.
[00:20:29] THEY ARE GOING TO RUN DEMOCRATIC
[00:20:33] POLICIES, IF THE DEMOCRATIC NAME IS SO BAD, WHY DID THEY KEEP USING IT.
[00:20:37] YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
[00:20:39] THE OTHER THING, THERE'S A MAJOR
[00:20:43] ELECTION COMING UP IN ISRAEL ON OCTOBER 27.
[00:20:49] IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE A CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT
[00:20:51] IN ISRAEL AND I THINK THAT WILL HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT ON
[00:20:55] AMERICAN POLITICS.
[00:20:56] HOST: SUPPORT FOR THE ISRAELI
[00:21:00] GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE IN THIS CYCLE, ALONG WITH THE
[00:21:04] RISE OF DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST CANDIDATES. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?
[00:21:08] HAS THAT BEEN A LOSING ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS?
[00:21:10] GUEST: IT'S BEEN A DIFFICULT
[00:21:14] ISSUE BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THE
[00:21:16] GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL DOES THINGS
[00:21:21] IN HAS POLICIES A LOT OF AMERICANS DON'T LIKE AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS DON'T LIKE.
[00:21:25] WE DON'T LIKE THE AGGRESSIVE SETTLEMENTS.
[00:21:28] WE DON'T LIKE A LOT OF POLICIES
[00:21:31] AND I THINK WHEN PEOPLE SEE THAT AS A CHANGE POLICY, I THINK A
[00:21:35] LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL LIKE I DO, WE
[00:21:36] LIKE ISRAEL ALL RIGHT, BUT WE
[00:21:40] DON'T LIKE THE POLICIES OF THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL.
[00:21:44] I THINK IS THE SAME WAY.
[00:21:47] I ANTICIPATE A POSITIVE CHANGE COMING OUT OF THAT.
[00:21:49] HOST: REPUBLICAN LINE,
[00:21:54] JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, BILL, YOU ARE ON THE AIR. CALLER: I ALWAYS ENJOY YOUR
[00:21:58] COMMENTS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY CONCERN FOR DEMOCRATS IS THAT THEIR LEADERSHIP IS ABSENT
[00:22:02] BECAUSE THEY ALLOW TOO MUCH FOR
[00:22:06] THE VOTERS TO INTERPRET NEWS AS IT BREAKS EACH DAY.
[00:22:10] AS SUCH, THAT RELIANCE ON THEIR KNOWLEDGE HAS CAUSED THE
[00:22:14] FAILURES OF GETTING THE MESSAGE ACROSS ABOUT WHO THEY ARE.
[00:22:17] AND IF I MAY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE SANDERS 2016 RACE, I
[00:22:21] THINK THAT HAD HE BEEN THE NOMINEE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
[00:22:26] , HE WOULD HAVE CARRIED THE DAY, BECAUSE HE AND TRUMP SHARED
[00:22:29] SOMETHING IN COUNTRY, WHEREAS
[00:22:34] HILLARY WAS WHAT SHE WAS.
[00:22:36] THE SADNESS IS THAT THEY WERE BOTH TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN
[00:22:41] AND THEY WERE TALES OF TRUMP. YOUR THOUGHTS, PLEASE QUESTION
[00:22:44] MARK GUEST: I KIND OF LOST TRACK OF SOME OF THAT QUESTION.
[00:22:47] HOST: SO, HE THINKS THAT IF
[00:22:50] BERNIE SANDERS HAD WON THE PRIMARY IN 2016, HE WOULD HAVE
[00:22:54] WON THE ELECTION. DO YOU AGREE?
[00:22:56] GUEST: I CAN'T PROVE OR DISPROVE
[00:22:59] THAT, NEITHER CAN HE. BUT HE WASN'T THE NOMINEE AND I
[00:23:02] DO THINK THAT HIS TEPID
[00:23:11] ENDORSEMENT IS A REASON TRUMP'S PRESIDENT. THERE'S VERY LITTLE DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
[00:23:15] HOST: FELIX, DEMOCRATIC LINE,
[00:23:21] FAYETTEVILLE, GOOD MORNING.
[00:23:23] CALLER: GOOD MORNING, HOW ARE
[00:23:27] Y'ALL ON THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY? HOST: GOOD, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
[00:23:31] CALLER: A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
[00:23:35] THIS IS MY 14TH PRESIDENT.
[00:23:38] I USED TO BE A REPUBLICAN UNTIL
[00:23:41] 68, WHEN NIXON CAME UP WITH HIS SOUTHERN STRATEGY.
[00:23:44] I THINK THE DEMOCRATIC PROBLEM IS THE MARKETING. LET ME GIVE YOU THREE QUICK
[00:23:49] EXAMPLES. THIS THING ABOUT DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS, THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO
[00:23:53] THE REPUBLICAN EVOLUTION FROM NIXON AND REAGAN.
[00:23:58] THE TEA BAGGERS, THE FREEDOM
[00:24:00] CAUCUS, AND MAGA, THEY ARE ALL
[00:24:04] RADICALS. SECOND, IF ANYONE DESIRES A TRUE OPINION ON THE IRAN WAR OR ANY
[00:24:09] WORK, SIMPLY ADVERTISE A
[00:24:11] REQUIREMENT THAT IT IS REQUIRED THAT EVERYBODY BEFORE THEY ARE
[00:24:15] 18 HAS TO, IF YOU ARE MALE, HAS
[00:24:18] TO REGISTER FOR THE DRAFT THE WAY I THINK YOU AND I DID BACK
[00:24:22] IN THE 60'S.
[00:24:24] LAST OF ALL, THE TAX SITUATION.
[00:24:27] THAT BIG BODACIOUS BILL, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.
[00:24:31] I WAS READING ARTICLES SHORTLY AFTER THAT, MARK ZUCKERBERG OR
[00:24:35] WAS TRAVELING AROUND THE WORLD
[00:24:36] IN A SUPER YACHT NAMED LAUNCHPAD.
[00:24:39] IF YOU HAD A PHONE AND A LAPTOP, HE COULD PROBABLY WRITE THAT OFF
[00:24:43] AS HIS OFFICE.
[00:24:46] HE TOOK A ONE TIME RIGHT OFF OF
[00:24:49] $18 BILLION ON HIS TAXES IN 2024 BECAUSE OF THAT BILL.
[00:24:53] WHAT PRODUCT DOES FACEBOOK OR
[00:24:59] META, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, PRODUCE?
[00:25:01] NOT ONLY THAT, I READ AN ARTICLE YESTERDAY, THIS IS THE LAST
[00:25:05] THING, THAT BOAT, LAUNCHPAD,
[00:25:09] UNDER ZUCKERBERG, REFUSED THE
[00:25:13] MARITIME RULE OF HELPING A STRANDED BOAT OFF THE CAPE, THE
[00:25:17] COAST, FROM THE MOST SOCIALIST
[00:25:20] STATE AROUND, ALASKA, WHERE THEY PAY YOU TO LIVE THERE.
[00:25:24] YOU ALL KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.
[00:25:30] SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET EDUCATED. YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY.
[00:25:34] HOST: JAMES CARVILLE, THERE'S A
[00:25:38] LOT THERE, BUT HE SAYS THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A MARKETING PROBLEM, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
[00:25:42] THAT? GUEST: WHO ARE ALWAYS GOING TO
[00:25:46] HAVE MARKETING PROBLEMS AROUND
[00:25:49] PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, IT'S
[00:25:50] REALLY HARD FOR THE PARTY TO
[00:25:54] HAVE MESSAGING CONSISTENCY. RIGHT NOW THE MARKETING STRATEGY
[00:25:58] IS SIMPLY -- VOTE FOR CHANGE, WE'RE NOT TRUMP.
[00:26:02] THAT CAN BE PRETTY POWERFUL THROUGH HISTORY.
[00:26:04] IT'S GOING TO BE -- HAVE TO BE
[00:26:07] FLUSHED OUT BY DEMOCRATIC VOTERS IN 2028.
[00:26:10] IT'S THAT SIMPLE. IT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH.
[00:26:13] DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS WILL
[00:26:17] DETERMINE THE FUTURE DIRECTION OF THE PARTY.
[00:26:19] HOST: YOU MENTIONED THE ONE BIG
[00:26:24] BEAUTIFUL BILL. DO YOU THINK THAT TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY WOULD BE A WINNING
[00:26:27] STRATEGY FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES? GUEST: IT'S THE SINGLE MOST
[00:26:32] POPULAR IDEA FOR DEMOCRATIC POLITICS, TAX RICH PEOPLE IN USE
[00:26:37] MONEY TO HELP MIDDLE AND YOUNG
[00:26:40] PEOPLE THROUGH THIS ECONOMY THEY LIVE IN.
[00:26:45] YES, THAT WILL BE A VERY, VERY CENTRAL PARK.
[00:26:48] I WOULD URGE DEMOCRATS TO LOOK AT THIS CLOSELY.
[00:26:53] BERNIE MORENO, OHIO, SET IT THIS
[00:26:55] MORNING, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT
[00:26:59] PUTTING TAXES ON SOCIAL SECURITY
[00:27:01] EARNINGS, BIGGEST REVENUE
[00:27:04] RAISING IDEA I'VE EVER HEARD, IT
[00:27:06] MAY COME TO 100 $90,000 PER YEAR
[00:27:09] AND IT WON'T CAUSE TO A PENNY AND IF THE DEMOCRATS ENDORSE
[00:27:12] THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY, THAT'S A
[00:27:14] BIPARTISAN WAY TO DEAL WITH THE
[00:27:17] INEQUITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE
[00:27:21] INCOME STRATIFICATION WE ARE GOING THROUGH.
[00:27:25] IT'S A MASSIVELY POPULAR IDEA. THE PERSON WHO GRABS THIS IDEA IS GOING TO DO VERY WELL.
[00:27:33] HOST: TONYA, INDEPENDENT.
[00:27:36] CALLER: I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND MY
[00:27:41] ACCENT. I GREW UP IN THE SOVIET UNION.
[00:27:48] UKRAINE, PART OF THE SOVIET UNION. GUEST: YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL ACCENT, SPEAK UP.
[00:27:52] CALLER: WHY NOBODY ON EITHER
[00:27:56] SIDE, DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN, SPECIFICALLY MOTHER OF
[00:27:59] DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS, WHY NO TV
[00:28:04] PROGRAM OR RADIO PROGRAM INVITE
[00:28:07] PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHO GREW UP IN A
[00:28:10] COMMUNIST SOCIALIST COUNTRY? I CAME TO UNITED STATES IN MY
[00:28:14] 30'S. I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
[00:28:17] WHAT IT IS, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM.
[00:28:21] WHY NOBODY INVITES PEOPLE LIKE ME FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT
[00:28:24] SOCIALISM TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE
[00:28:27] WHO WANT IT, BECAUSE THEY WANT
[00:28:31] ALL THE BENEFITS BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK FOR IT. WE WERE WORKING LIKE SLAVES
[00:28:36] THERE AND WERE PAID VERY LITTLE.
[00:28:39] JUST A MINIMUM SO THAT PEOPLE WILL SURVIVE. IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY BAD.
[00:28:45] AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME TO BE INVITED TO DISCUSSIONS.
[00:28:52] HOST: WHAT DO YOU THINK, JAMES
[00:28:56] CARVILLE? GUEST: IN A REPRESENTATIVE
[00:29:00] DEMOCRACY, COMPLAINTS OF PEOPLE HAVE, MY VOICE DOESN'T GET HEARD, THEY DON'T LISTEN TO
[00:29:04] PEOPLE LIKE ME. I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
[00:29:08] AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU
[00:29:10] GREW UP IN A DIFFERENT SYSTEM, I'M VERY GLAD YOU ARE HERE, VERY
[00:29:14] GLAD YOU BROUGHT YOUR TALENTS. I LOVE IMMIGRANT PEOPLE.
[00:29:24] OUR DEMOCRACY, PARTICULARLY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, IS NOT
[00:29:27] PARTICULARLY CLOSE TO THE PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT BETTER, BUT WE CAN TRY.
[00:29:32] HOST: YOU SAID IT WAS THE
[00:29:35] DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS WHO WILL DETERMINE THE FUTURE
[00:29:37] DIRECTION OF THE PARTY.
[00:29:40] THE PRIMARIES ARE MOSTLY OVER AT THIS POINT.
[00:29:43] GUEST: I'M TALKING ABOUT 28, TO
[00:29:47] BE CLEAR. THE DIRECTION OF THE PARTY WON'T BE DETERMINED IN 26.
[00:29:50] HOST: WHY NOT?
[00:29:52] GUEST: THERE'S NOTHING UNIFYING.
[00:29:56] WHEN THE WHOLE PARTY COMES
[00:29:57] TOGETHER PERSON, ONE MESSAGE, ONE ELECTION.
[00:30:07] EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW HAS DIFFERENT IDEAS, SENATE AND
[00:30:10] HOUSE RACES THAT ARE BEING RUN.
[00:30:13] EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO
[00:30:14] PONY UP, AND YET IN 2028 AND WE
[00:30:17] WILL SEE WHERE THIS GOES.
[00:30:19] A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND
[00:30:22] COMMENTATORS IN THE PRESS, THE
[00:30:25] INFLUENCERS, THE SOCIAL
[00:30:27] INFLUENCERS, MINING ANSWERS, WE
[00:30:30] ALL LIKE TO THINK WE HAVE A SAY IN THIS AND HONESTLY?
[00:30:33] IT'S THE VOTERS IN 2028 THAT WILL DETERMINE THIS AND WE WILL
[00:30:36] FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY DO AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
[00:30:44] LAUREL, MARYLAND, REPUBLICAN LINE. HOST: DAMIEN: GOOD MORNING.
[00:30:47] CALLER: MR. CARVILLE, DO YOU
[00:30:50] THINK THAT IF HILLARY CLINTON TRIED TO RUN AGAIN SHE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE AND WHAT DO YOU
[00:30:53] THINK OF GAVIN NEWSOM PAST CHANCES?
[00:30:57] WHERE ARE THE BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS? THANK YOU.
[00:31:00] GUEST: I DON'T THINK HILLARY IS
[00:31:05] REMOTELY CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN.
[00:31:08] THE BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS?
[00:31:12] IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
[00:31:16] IN THE SOUTH, WE LOST A LOT OF SPACE.
[00:31:20] BY THE WAY, WE WILL WIN A LOT OF THEM BACK IN THE SOUTH.
[00:31:22] DON'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU DON'T
[00:31:25] SEE A STORY NEXT NOVEMBER OR
[00:31:28] DECEMBER ABOUT THE RETURN OF THE BLUE DOGS.
[00:31:31] WE ARE COMPETITIVE AND A LOT OF THESE HOUSE RACES AND A LOT OF
[00:31:34] THEM IN THE SOUTH, TO BE FRANK WITH YOU, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO
[00:31:37] WIN THE SENATE SEAT IN MISSISSIPPI AND IN TEXAS.
[00:31:42] I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IF WE PAY
[00:31:44] ATTENTION TO IT, WE HAVE A CHANCE MAYBE IN SOUTH CAROLINA
[00:31:47] OR LOUISIANA.
[00:31:50] WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BIG YEAR.
[00:31:52] WE ARE GOING TO WIN IN PLACES WE DIDN'T THINK WE COULD WIN BEFORE.
[00:31:59] HOST: HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF GAVIN NEWSOM.
[00:32:03] CALLER: GOVERNOR OF THE --
[00:32:04] GUEST: GOVERNOR OF THE LARGEST STATE, HE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE
[00:32:09] TO RAISE A LOT OF MONEY.
[00:32:10] BUT HOW WILL HE CONNECT TO BLACK
[00:32:16] VOTERS IN PLACES LIKE SOUTH CAROLINA? BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM
[00:32:19] SERIOUSLY, HE'S GOT A BIG POCKETBOOK AND HE WALKS INTO THE
[00:32:23] NOMINATING PROCESS WITH THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF DELEGATES OF A YOUNG STATE.
[00:32:30] YOU CANNOT DISMISS IT, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW HE CONNECTS
[00:32:33] WITH THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. THE COMPETITION OUT THERE IS
[00:32:37] GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY STRONG.
[00:32:42] I SAY EVERYBODY, JUMP IN.
[00:32:45] HOST: IS THERE A CANDIDATE YOU ARE ESPECIALLY?
[00:32:53] EXCITED ABOUT?
[00:32:55] GUEST: I WANT TO WATCH AND SEE.
[00:32:59] SOME PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS ABOUT WHO
[00:33:02] IS, CAN TURN OF PHRASE, BUT
[00:33:06] LET'S GET OUT THERE TO SEE WHO DOESN'T.
[00:33:10] THE BETTER THE COMPETITION, THE BETTER EVERYBODY PLAYS UP TO IT.
[00:33:13] I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD BE IN A HURRY TO DECLARE I'M FOR
[00:33:16] THIS PERSON RIGHT NOW.
[00:33:19] PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE AN OPEN MIND.
[00:33:23] WE ARE PUTTING SOME AWESOME POLITICAL TALENT OUT THERE.
[00:33:26] HOST: STEPHEN, CONNECTICUT,
[00:33:30] YOU'RE ON WITH JAMES CARVILLE.
[00:33:31] CALLER: I THINK THAT JON OSSOFF
[00:33:35] WILL BE THE MAN, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M CALLING ABOUT.
[00:33:37] I WANT TO NARROW DOWN ON MIKE
[00:33:41] ROGERS AND THE THEME OF ENDLESS WARS.
[00:33:45] I SEE THEM RUNNING A LOT OF CAMPAIGN ADS AGAINST HIM WITH
[00:33:48] ENDLESS WARS AND I AGREE, I'M SICK OF ENDLESS WARS.
[00:33:52] IT JUST KEEPS GOING AND GOING AND GOING. BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE
[00:33:56] REMEMBERED AS THE NEW JIMMY CARTER.
[00:33:59] IRAN IS NOT STUPID.
[00:34:02] THEY HAVE HIM BY THE, YOU KNOW,
[00:34:06] PROVERBIAL CAJONES, AND THEY
[00:34:11] WILL DRIVE THIS THING FOREVER.
[00:34:11] GUEST: WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
[00:34:15] AND WHAT I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE
[00:34:17] IS IS WE ARE HAVING AN ENDLESS
[00:34:21] CONVERSATION ABOUT ENDLESS WARS, SO LET'S STOP HAVING ENDLESS
[00:34:25] WARS SO WE CAN STOP HAVING
[00:34:27] ENDLESS CONVERSATIONS. I AGREE WITH THIS CALLER.
[00:34:30] HISTORIANS LOOK BACK.
[00:34:37] THE IRAQ INCURSION, EXCURSION, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT,
[00:34:41] IT WILL BE ONE OF THE MORE COLOSSAL AND STUPID MISTAKES THE
[00:34:44] NATION IS MADE IN A LONG TIME.
[00:34:46] AND I JUST HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL
[00:34:54] REALIZE IT'S TIME TO JUST GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE.
[00:34:57] IT'S A TERRIBLE ERROR THAT COSTS THE WORLD I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
[00:35:01] BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INCREASED ENERGY
[00:35:06] COSTS. THE WHOLE PLACE IS NOT VERY STABLE.
[00:35:12] WE SHOT OFF ALMOST ALL OF OUR ORDINANCE IN ITS IS NOT A VERY
[00:35:16] GOOD EXCURSION.
[00:35:17] HOST: PAUL IS NEXT, DEMOCRAT, ILLINOIS.
[00:35:21] CALLER: IT'S CARL.
[00:35:25] NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN, BUDDY.
[00:35:32] ANYWAY, TAKING A LOOK AT THIS
[00:35:34] THING, THERE'S A REASON WHY SO MANY PRESIDENTS NEVER WANTED TO
[00:35:37] DEAL WITH IRAN.
[00:35:42] THEY ARE STICKING THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE.
[00:35:46] THEN WE GET OPINIONS THAT HE'S
[00:35:49] BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AND DOES IT ANYWAY AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENS?
[00:35:53] I DON'T GET IT. WHY?
[00:35:56] GUEST: THANK YOU FOR CALLING,
[00:35:59] THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSION, AND I AGREE WITH A LOT OF YOU SAID.
[00:36:04] SOMETHING HAPPENED, THIS WAR IS VERY UNPOPULAR AND THEY ARE
[00:36:07] GOING TO LOSE THE ELECTION VERY BIG.
[00:36:10] WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS DEMOCRATS IS KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE WAR AND
[00:36:13] WHAT'S HAPPENING TO PEOPLE'S
[00:36:15] LIVES AND KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE
[00:36:19] MASSIVE CORRUPTION. IF WE DO THOSE THINGS AND STAY
[00:36:22] AWAY FROM IDIOTIC ARGUMENTS AS
[00:36:25] TO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD --
[00:36:29] OUGHT TO HAVE THANKSGIVING OR NOT, WE WILL DO JUST FINE.
[00:36:33] BUT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE GOT
[00:36:35] THESE URBAN LEFTISTS OUT THERE RUNNING AROUND LISTENING TO
[00:36:39] THEMSELVES TALKING?
[00:36:41] HOST: GOING BACK TO 2028, JAMES
[00:36:47] CARVILLE, HOW WOULD YOU ASSESS
[00:36:49] THE CAMPAIGN OF FORMER VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND IF
[00:36:52] YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE HER TO GET INTO THE RACE AGAIN?
[00:36:56] GUEST: AGAIN, I'M ENCOURAGING
[00:37:00] EVERY DEMOCRAT TO RUN, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT RUN, THE BETTER THE
[00:37:05] CHOICES. LOOK, SHE'S A FORMER VICE
[00:37:07] PRESIDENT, FORMER U.S. SENATOR.
[00:37:10] SHE WAS THE NOMINEE FOR PARTY.
[00:37:20] IT WOULD BE STRATEGIC. IT WILL BE KIND OF HARD FOR
[00:37:24] THEM, SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO WANT TO TALK ABOUT 2028 AND
[00:37:28] BEYOND AND I'M NOT SURE SHE CAN GET OUT OF THE 2024
[00:37:32] CONVERSATION, BUT IF SHE WANTS TO RUN, SHE SHOULD.
[00:37:37] HOST: INDEPENDENT LINE, DEBORAH.
[00:37:41] CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[00:37:44] I'M AN INDEPENDENT BUT I HAVE NEVER VOTED REPUBLICAN AND A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
[00:37:50] I REJOINED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTLY
[00:37:52] BRIEFLY TO VOTE FOR HILLARY IN THE PRIMARY, BUT QUICKLY LEFT
[00:37:56] WHEN SHE LOST. I BELIEVE I'M PART OF THE NEW
[00:37:59] SILENT MAJORITY, THE PEOPLE WHO
[00:38:02] HAVE BECOME SO DISAFFECTED BY
[00:38:08] THE FAR RIGHT AND FAR LEFT RHETORIC IN BOTH PARTIES.
[00:38:12] WHEN CAN WE RETURN TO THE CIVIL CONVERSATION BETWEEN BOTH SIDES
[00:38:16] AND IS THERE A CHANCE THAT THERE COULD BE AN INDEPENDENT PARTY
[00:38:19] AND WHO WOULD THE CANDIDATE BE THAT REPRESENTS US?
[00:38:22] GUEST: I HEAR THIS.
[00:38:28] I WILL ADMIT IT.
[00:38:31] ATTACKING THE CAPITAL, YOU KNOW?
[00:38:36] YOU GOT TO ADMIT, THE DEMOCRATS ALSO HAVE THEIR CRAZIES.
[00:38:40] THE PROBLEM IS, I AM VERY
[00:38:46] CONFIDENT THAT THEY WON'T DO WELL IN 2028.
[00:38:50] THE LEFT ALWAYS HAS A CANDIDATE THAT HAS NEVER WON. THEY DON'T SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S
[00:38:55] NOT THE NARRATIVE OF A COUNTRY.
[00:39:01] THE TWO THIRDS THAT OVERWHELM THE PARTY WAS FIRST A CRIMINAL
[00:39:06] ACT. THERE IS ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN
[00:39:10] THE WORLD BETWEEN A PARTY DID BY
[00:39:13] 15% JUST ESPOUSES STUPID STUFF
[00:39:17] AND SAYS STUPID THINGS AND ANOTHER PARTY WHERE TWO THIRDS
[00:39:21] OF IT ARE TOLERANT AND
[00:39:24] SUPPORTING OF CRIMINALITY.
[00:39:26] AND UNTIL WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL THAT OUT AND SAY -- WAIT A
[00:39:31] MINUTE. ONE THING YOU TALK ABOUT, PEOPLE
[00:39:33] SAYING DUMB STUFF.
[00:39:36] ALL RIGHT, PEOPLE SHOULDN'T SAY DUMB STUFF.
[00:39:40] NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE
[00:39:41] SUPPORTING OF CRIMINALITY, I
[00:39:46] DON'T KNOW, TO ME IT SOUNDS A GOOD BIG DIFFERENCE. A BIG DIFFERENCE.
[00:39:52] RIGHT NOW THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE IS TO SAY JUST VOTE WE
[00:39:55] JUST NEED A LITTLE CHANGE AND WE
[00:39:59] WILL ALL BE FINE, BECAUSE MAYBE
[00:40:04] SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TV AND
[00:40:10] CRIMINALITY IS STUFF ON TV OTHER
[00:40:13] THAN JUST THE STUFF PEOPLE SAY.
[00:40:16] GUEST: HE MENTIONED CIVILITY IN
[00:40:21] POLITICS. IS IT GONE FOREVER? GUEST: DID I MENTION IT?
[00:40:24] HOST: NO, THE CALLER DID.
[00:40:26] GUEST: NO.
[00:40:29] I THINK THAT I WOULD GO OUT AND
[00:40:37] I THINK IN 2028, AND THE
[00:40:44] DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES THERE WILL BE LESS TALK ABOUT TRUMP THAN ANYBODY THINKS BECAUSE WE ARE
[00:40:47] JUST ON WITH HIM.
[00:40:52] THE CANDIDATE WHO TALKS ABOUT THE COUNTRY IN THE FUTURE AND
[00:40:54] WHERE WE NEED TO GO, IT CAN BE
[00:40:59] THE CANDIDATE THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW HORRIBLE TRUMP IS.
[00:41:08] THE MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION IMAGINABLE.
[00:41:18] I THINK TRUMP WILL BE A LESSER PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
[00:41:22] HOST: REPUBLICAN LINE, DENVER
[00:41:26] CITY, TEXAS. CARLOS?
[00:41:28] CALLER: HOW ARE YOU?
[00:41:30] HOST: GOOD, THANKS.
[00:41:32] CALLER: I'M NOT AN EDUCATED
[00:41:36] PERSON, I MEETING TO WATCH ALL
[00:41:43] THE NEWS IN THE BS COMES FROM UP
[00:41:47] NORTH. WHEN I VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT, I
[00:41:49] VOTE FOR WHAT THEY WILL DO FOR
[00:41:51] THE COUNTRY, NOT WHAT I PUT IN MY POCKET.
[00:41:56] ALL OF THEM PEOPLE UP THERE,
[00:41:57] THEY ARE PUTTING ALL OF THESE,
[00:42:00] PEOPLE THAT DON'T BELONG IN OFFICE.
[00:42:03] ALL OF THEM DRUG HEADS, THEY DON'T BELONG IN OFFICE.
[00:42:06] THEY ARE TRYING TO RUN THIS
[00:42:09] COUNTRY, THEY SHOULD RUN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
[00:42:17] IT'S A COMMON CHANGE IN PRINCIPLES AND THAT'S ALL ABOUT TO SAY.
[00:42:21] HOST: -- GUEST: C-SPAN VIEWERS
[00:42:28] HAVE SLIGHTLY MORE INFORMED OF YOUR ASH VIEWS.
[00:42:33] NAME A SINGLE POSITIVE ECONOMIC
[00:42:35] STATISTIC THAT DEMOCRATIC
[00:42:41] PRESIDENTS HAVE NOT PROFOUNDLY OVER PERFORMED REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.
[00:42:44] YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.
[00:42:51] AS FAR AS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY
[00:42:52] AND BEST FOR THE POCKETBOOK,
[00:42:56] SURE, BUT ANY VOTER, ANY VOTER
[00:43:00] THAT TENDS TO THINK THAT
[00:43:01] POCKETBOOK ISSUES MATTER AND
[00:43:05] THAT LOOKS AT HISTORY, I'M SORRY, YOU ARE LEFT WITH ONE CHOICE.
[00:43:10] IT'S 100 TO NOTHING.
[00:43:14] THE ECONOMY UNDER DEMOCRATS
[00:43:18] OUTPERFORMS THE ECONOMY UNDER REPUBLICANS.
[00:43:20] HOST: WHAT TRUMP SUPPORTERS
[00:43:24] WOULD TELL YOU NOW IS TO POINT TO THE STOCK MARKET DOING WELL UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP.
[00:43:29] GUEST: I WOULD BE GLAD TO
[00:43:32] INCORPORATE HISTORICAL STOCK MARKET AVERAGES.
[00:43:36] DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AT HOME,
[00:43:38] 1945, IF I WOULD HAVE JUST HAD MONEY IN THE STOCK MARKET DURING
[00:43:42] A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENCY, HOW MUCH MONEY BUT I HAVE, AND
[00:43:46] CONVERSELY ONLY UNDER REPUBLICAN
[00:43:49] PRESIDENTS, HOW MUCH WOULD I HAVE?
[00:43:54] YOU CAN POINT OF THE STOCK MARKET, IT'S A MILLION TIMES PEOPLE HAVE SAID THE STOCK
[00:43:57] MARKET IS NOT THE ECONOMY. YOU FAILED TO MENTION JOB MARKET.
[00:44:02] THAT'S A DIFFERENT FACT AND THAT'S NOT ON THE OTHER HAND.
[00:44:06] AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN BILL CLINTON
[00:44:09] WAS PRESIDENT, IF YOU EVER USED STOCK MARKET ON TV THEY WOULD
[00:44:13] CALL AND TELL YOU YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT, YOU
[00:44:17] DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO, THAT'S NOT THE ECONOMY.
[00:44:21] I WOULD REMIND PEOPLE OF THAT. LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL PERFORMANCE.
[00:44:24] IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND.
[00:44:27] HOST: ANGELA, DEMOCRAT, WISCONSIN.
[00:44:31] CALLER: FIRST TIME CALLER,
[00:44:35] LONGTIME LISTENER, HELLO, JAMES.
[00:44:37] YOU SHARED A SYNOPSIS OF THE
[00:44:41] 2016 ELECTION AND I WHOLLY DISAGREE.
[00:44:45] I MADE CALLS IN IOWA TO VOTERS,
[00:44:48] LARGELY REPUBLICAN VOTERS,
[00:44:50] LEADING UP TO THE 2016 -- THEY SHARED WITH ME THEY WOULD VOTE
[00:44:54] BERNIE OVER TRUMP.
[00:44:56] HOWEVER THEY WOULD VOTE TRUMP
[00:44:58] OVER HILLARY AND WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT ELECTION.
[00:45:04] I WANT TO ENCOURAGE VOTERS TO VOTE YOUR INTEREST.
[00:45:07] DON'T ALLOW WEALTHY OLD MEN TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO OR
[00:45:11] HOW TO VOTE.
[00:45:12] LET THE PARTIES -- DON'T LET THE
[00:45:16] PARTIES TELL YOU HOW TO VOTE. VOTE YOUR INTERESTS. VOTE YOUR NEEDS.
[00:45:20] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GUEST: I WON'T ARGUE. THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
[00:45:25] HOST: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO YOUNG VOTERS WHO ARE SAYING
[00:45:28] WE'VE HAD ENOUGH WITH
[00:45:32] CAPITALISM. IT HAS NOT WORKED FOR US. WE CAN'T BUY A HOUSE.
[00:45:36] WE CAN'T PAY OFF OUR STUDENT LOANS. WE CAN'T EVEN FIND A JOB.
[00:45:41] SO, LET'S TRY SOCIALISM.
[00:45:43] GUEST: I CAN CERTAINLY
[00:45:47] UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM. ALSO, THE FORM OF CAPITALISM WE
[00:45:51] HAVE IS ALL ABOUT PROTECTING THE
[00:45:51] OLD PEOPLE, PROTECTING VESTED
[00:45:56] INTEREST, PROTECTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY AND REALLY ISN'T
[00:46:00] FAVORABLE FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO BORROW MONEY AS OPPOSED TO THOSE
[00:46:04] WHO ALREADY HAVE IT. THE TAX CODE IS RIGGED AGAINST YOU.
[00:46:08] WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE SOME AFFIRMATIVE POLICIES.
[00:46:11] THAT WOULD HELP YOU A LOT.
[00:46:15] RAISING THE CAPITAL TAXES ON
[00:46:16] SOCIAL SECURITY WOULD BE ABOUT
[00:46:20] $3 TRILLION OVER 10 YEARS. I THINK WE NEED THE TAX WEALTH
[00:46:23] AND HIGHER INCOME PEOPLE MORE.
[00:46:26] MORE STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS. MORE FIRST TIME MORTGAGE
[00:46:29] ASSISTANT SO YOU HAVE HOME BUYERS. BEING PRICED OUT OF THE AMERICAN DREAM.
[00:46:33] TO HAVE ANY NUMBER OF VERY VALID
[00:46:36] REASONS -- YOU HAVE ANY NUMBER OF VERY VALID REASONS TO BE
[00:46:40] DISGUSTED WITH THE SYSTEM.
[00:46:41] I THINK THE IDEA OF SOCIALISM --
[00:46:46] I'M NOT SURE. IT'S JUST A WORD THAT PEOPLE THROW AROUND.
[00:46:52] YOU HAVE A LOT OF REASON TO BE
[00:46:54] FRUSTRATED, DISAPPOINTED, YOU
[00:46:59] LOSE FAITH IN THE SYSTEM. I WOULD URGE YOU NOT TO DO THAT.
[00:47:03] I WOULD LISTEN TO WHAT THE CANDIDATE SAY AND PUT THEM ON THE PULPIT.
[00:47:06] ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE TO LET THIS GENERATION OF ANY QUALITY
[00:47:10] JUST SUFFOCATE THE YOUNGER PEOPLE IN AMERICA? I THINK IT'S A VALID QUESTION.
[00:47:14] HOST: THAT'S THE TIME WE HAVE.
[00:47:18] JAMES CARVILLE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST.
[00:47:21] YOU CAN FIND HIM AT HIS PODCAST,
[00:47:24] WHICH IS CALLED "POLITICS WAR ROOM." THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, JAMES.
[00:47:27] GUEST: THANKNEWARK
[00:49:45] INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
[00:49:47] WHERE THERE WERE ALLEGED EQUIPMENT FAILURES LAST YEAR.
[00:49:50] >> IN A FEW MOMENTS, WE ARE
[00:49:53] GOING TO HOIST A NEW SURFACE
[00:49:56] AWARENESS RADAR BUT I WANT TO TAKE A COUPLE MOMENTS TO TALK