CSPAN — Ceasefire Jaime Harrison  Marc Lotter
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[00:00:03] IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NORMAL FOR HIM TO ATTEND
[00:00:05] BUT THERE WAS A STATEMENT SENT ON HIS BEHALF.
[00:00:09] THAT IS THE EXTENT WHEN IT COMES TO NEWS OUT OF KENTUCKY AND NEWS
[00:00:13] ON MITCH MCCONNELL. LIKE IN CALIFORNIA ONLINE FOR INDEPENDENTS.
[00:00:17] WE HAVE A MINUTE OR SO LEFT. TO GO AHEAD. CALLER: I JUST WANTED TO
[00:00:21] PEOPLE'S ATTENTION THE TRUMP
[00:00:25] FAMILY TRYING TO TURN WORLD
[00:00:30] FINANCIAL INTO A BANK. THE WORLD LIBERTY FINANCIAL COIN
[00:00:33] IS WORTH LESS THAN SEVEN CENTS.
[00:00:38] ALSO, THE TRUMP PEOPLE THINK
[00:00:42] TRUMP IS OUT TO HELP KIDS AND STUFF, BUT HIS ADMINISTRATION
[00:00:46] JUST APPROVED THE USE OF
[00:00:48] FLAVORED VAPES AGAIN.
[00:00:52] THAT IS DIRECTLY AFFECTING KIDS.
[00:00:55] I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GETTING KICKBACKS ON ALL THESE VANITY PROJECTS.
[00:01:01] THAT'S WHY THE CONTRACTOR THAT
[00:01:03] PUT IN THE REFLECTING POOL IS
[00:01:06] NOT BEING SUED RIGHT NOW AND
[00:01:12] BEING FORCED TO REPAIR THAT. ALSO --
[00:01:15] HOST: APOLOGIZE, MIKE.
[00:01:19] WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE THAT IS IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TODAY.
[00:01:23] NEW EDITION OF "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" COMES YOUR WAY AT 7:00
[00:01:26] A.M. TOMORROW MORNING. WE WILL SEE YOU THERE. ♪
[00:01:33] --
[00:01:39] ♪
[00:01:41] HOST: WELCOME TO CEASEFIRE,
[00:01:45] WHERE WE LOOK TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE IN AMERICAN POLITICS.
[00:01:48] I AM DASHA BURNS AND JOINING ME
[00:01:51] FROM EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE TWO GUESTS WHO HAVE AGREED
[00:01:54] TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION CIVIL, EVEN WHEN THEY DISAGREE.
[00:01:57] JAMIE HARRISON AND MARK LOTTER,
[00:02:05] FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR DURING THE 2020 TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
[00:02:08] THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. GUEST: GOOD TO SEE YOU.
[00:02:12] HOST: THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON
[00:02:15] IN BOTH OF YOUR PARTIES IN THE WORLD OF PRIMARIES AND MIDTERMS.
[00:02:19] I WANT TO START IN FLORIDA. A MAJOR UPSET THIS WEEK, JAMIE
[00:02:23] AS DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ANGIE
[00:02:28] NIXON DEFEATED ALEX VINDMAN. HERE'S HOW AXIOS SUMS IT UP.
[00:02:33] ANGIE NIXON SCORES SOCIALIST BREAKTHROUGH IN TRUMP'S FLORIDA.
[00:02:39] SHOCKED ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS
[00:02:42] WHO WERE LEFT SCRAMBLING TUESDAY NIGHT TO WELCOME NIXON TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.
[00:02:45] AT THE SAME TIME, REPUBLICANS ARE READY TO MAKE HER A NATIONAL FIGURE.
[00:02:50] HOW DID NIXON PULL THIS OFF AND WERE DEMOCRATS CAUGHT OFF GUARD?
[00:02:54] WHAT'S NEXT YEAR? GUEST: CONGRATULATIONS TO ANGIE.
[00:03:00] IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE OF SHOE LEATHER.
[00:03:04] ANGIE WAS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN AN ORGANIZER.
[00:03:06] SHE KNOWS HOW TO KNOCK ON DOORS,
[00:03:13] GO TO PLACES AND CONNECT WITH VOTERS. SHE CLEARLY CONNECTED WITH THE
[00:03:16] PRIMARY VOTERS IN A WAY THAT WAS
[00:03:19] MUCH BETTER THAN HER OPPONENT.
[00:03:24] SO, KUDOS TO HER. SHE'S BRINGING AN ENERGY AND A
[00:03:27] FIRE AND SHE'S TALKING ABOUT
[00:03:31] ISSUES, PARTICULARLY ISSUES OF AFFORDABILITY THAT SO MANY
[00:03:34] PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, AND INDEPENDENTS ARE FOCUSED ON. DASHA: DO YOU THINK SHE IS
[00:03:37] ULTIMATELY THE BETTER CANDIDATE FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION? WERE DEMOCRATS HOPING FOR
[00:03:40] VINDMAN? JAIME: YOU NEED A CANDIDATE WHO
[00:03:45] IS GOING TO WORK. REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE, YOU NEED A CANDIDATE WHO
[00:03:47] IS NOT AFRAID TO GO OUT THERE TO TALK TO THE VOTERS.
[00:03:51] SHE IS BRINGING A DIFFERENT KIND
[00:03:53] OF ENERGY THAN ALEX DID.
[00:03:57] I THINK IT IS EMBOLDENED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS ABOUT THAT ENERGY FOR THE BASE
[00:04:01] OF YOUR PARTY AND GETTING THOSE
[00:04:02] FOLKS TO THE POLLS.
[00:04:06] FRANKLY SHE DID A BETTER JOB OF DOING THAT AND HOPEFULLY SHE CAN BRING MORE OF THAT ENERGY INTO
[00:04:10] THE GENERAL ELECTION.
[00:04:12] NOT ONLY WILL SHE HELD HERSELF,
[00:04:17] -- HELP HERSELF, BUT OTHER CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT AS
[00:04:21] WELL. DASHA: EVERY REPUBLICAN I TALK TO IS EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM. DOES THAT APPLY FOR FLORIDA AND
[00:04:25] THIS RACE TOO?
[00:04:26] MARC: ABSOLUTELY.
[00:04:35] I THINK THIS IS A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD THOUGH. I DIDN'T THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAD CHANCE OF TAKING THE SEAT FROM ASHLEY MOODY OR FLIPPING THE
[00:04:39] GOVERNOR'S RACE IN FLORIDA. ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE, THIS WILL ALLOW DEMOCRATS TO STOP WASTING
[00:04:42] MONEY IN FLORIDA AND MOVE IT TO OTHER RACES WHERE THEY MIGHT
[00:04:45] HAVE A BETTER SHOT. I THINK ALSO ON THE CONTRARY, IT'S GOING TO ALLOW REPUBLICANS
[00:04:49] NATIONALLY TO LUMP NIXON ALONG
[00:04:52] WITH ABDUL EL-SAYED, ALONG WITH THE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN NOMINATED OUT OF NEW YORK,
[00:04:56] ALTOGETHER AND PAINT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS A SOCIALIST
[00:04:58] PARTY AS A WHOLE.
[00:05:11] I THINK THERE ARE GOOD THINGS FOR BOTH SIDES WITH THIS.
[00:05:14] DASHA: THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP IN TERMS OF THE PROGRESSIVE VERSUS MODERATE FIGHT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
[00:05:17] EVEN IN FLORIDA YOU HAD SOME CANDIDATES PUNCH BACK AGAINST THE DSA. REPRESENTATIVE JARED MOSKOWITZ
[00:05:21] ENDED UP BEATING A DSA CANDIDATE IN FLORIDA'S 25TH DISTRICT.
[00:05:24] HERE IS WHAT WE WROTE IN THE
[00:05:30] PLAYBOOK THIS WEEK. MOSCOWITZ BECAME THE LATEST
[00:05:32] MODERATE DEMOCRAT TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THE DEMOCRAT SOCIALIST
[00:05:36] SURGE, EYEING A WASHINGTON SIZE ROLE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S CIVIL WAR. HE SAID, FLORIDA IS KNOWN FOR
[00:05:40] HURRICANES, AND SO THE DSA IS A
[00:05:43] DISASTER AREA IN FLORIDA AND
[00:05:47] THERE IS NO FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT COMING FOR THESE PEOPLE. HE ALSO SAID THAT SOME OF THESE
[00:05:52] FOLKS WHO HAVE WON AND ARE GOING
[00:05:54] TO CONGRESS ARE ANTI-AMERICAN.
[00:05:58] WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME,
[00:05:59] MOSCOWITZ HAS BEEN PUSHING BACK
[00:06:05] HARD. ALSO YOU HAD DEBBIE WASSERMAN
[00:06:07] SCHULTZ SAY SHE IS DISAVOWING
[00:06:11] THE DSA. I HAVE HEARD SOME DEMOCRATS SAY THIS ENERGY IS GREAT, LET'S MAKE THIS A BIG TENT PARTY.
[00:06:15] THEN YOU HAVE FOLKS LIKE
[00:06:19] MOSCOWITZ AND OTHERS SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO WAR WITH HIS FACTION. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
[00:06:23] JAIME: WELL, LISTEN, FOR ME I'M A DEMOCRAT, NOT A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST.
[00:06:26] I SAID THAT BEFORE. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IN ANY OF THESE ELECTION CYCLES CHANGED
[00:06:29] THAT. THERE IS CERTAIN THINGS I AM
[00:06:33] FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED TO AS IT
[00:06:37] RELATES TO WHERE THE DSA IS ON SOME MAJOR ISSUES. FRANKLY THAT I THINK MAINSTREAM
[00:06:41] AMERICA IS AGAINST.
[00:06:46] EVEN SOME OF THE DSA CANDIDATES SEEM TO BE AGAINST THE NATIONAL PLATFORM THAT IS COMING OUT.
[00:06:50] THE THING ABOUT GETTING RID OF
[00:06:56] PRISONS AND DEFUNDING THE POLICE AND A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS. GETTING RID OF THE U.S. SENATE.
[00:06:59] IT'S JUST THINGS THAT
[00:07:04] FUNDAMENTALLY DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE AMERICA IS.
[00:07:07] DASHA: DO YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS BIG ENOUGH FOR THE DSA OR IS THAT A FACTION THAT SIMPLY DOESN'T BELONG?
[00:07:12] JAIME: I THINK WE ARE A BIG TENT
[00:07:13] PARTY.
[00:07:18] I HAVE WORKED WITH FOLKS WHO ARE VERY PROGRESSIVE AND DEMOCRATS WHO ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE. FROM THE BLUE DOGS TO THE
[00:07:21] PROGRESSIVES.
[00:07:31] THE REAL THING IS IT'S BUILDING A COALITION THAT WE CAN FIND SOME COMMONALITY AND COMMON GOALS.
[00:07:35] THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WILL
[00:07:40] GO TO THE EXTENT THAT SOME PEOPLE WANT US TO GO OR PULL BACK TO THE EXTENT THAT SOME
[00:07:43] PEOPLE WANT US TO. IT IS FINDING THAT COALITION
[00:07:46] THAT CAN GOVERN, THAT CAN MOVE THE COUNTRY FORWARD TO MAKE PROGRESS AND ADDRESS THESE
[00:07:50] ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
[00:07:52] AFFORDABILITY IS THAT PROBLEM.
[00:07:56] PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLES AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES. AND RIGHT NOW, WITH THE
[00:08:00] REPUBLICANS IN CONTROL OF THE
[00:08:05] WHITE HOUSE, SENATE, AND HOUSE, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. DASHA: THE GOP UNDER TRUMP, ESPECIALLY IN 2024, DID EXPAND
[00:08:09] THE TENT.
[00:08:11] HOW ARE YOU WATCHING WHAT IS
[00:08:15] GOING ON ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, AND HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE TO BRING IN NEW COALITIONS?
[00:08:19] MARC: I THINK WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH IS THE SAME THING WE WENT THROUGH WHEN I WAS
[00:08:22] WORKING ON THE FIRST TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN 2016, WHEN YOU HAD THE DIVIDE BETWEEN THE
[00:08:27] TRADITIONAL OLD GUARD OF THE
[00:08:35] REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE NEW
[00:08:39] MAGA DONALD TRUMP WAY AND YOU HAD TO DO THAT. I THINK THE PROBLEMS DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO FACE IS WHEN
[00:08:42] NONPROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS ARE
[00:08:43] GOING TO BE FORCED TO ANSWER FOR
[00:08:50] THE POSITIONS OF THE PROGRESSIVE
[00:08:53] WING. AND IF THEY DISAVOW THAT, THEN YOU RUN THE RISK OF ALIENATING THE BASE OF THE PARTY, WHICH
[00:08:56] RIGHT NOW YOU ARE NEEDING THAT PROGRESSIVE, YOUNG, AGGRAVATED
[00:08:58] BASE TO GO OUT AND KNOCK ON
[00:09:09] DOORS TO DO THE SHOE LEATHER THINGS THAT JAIME WAS WORRIED ABOUT EARLIER. BECAUSE THAT IS WHO IS DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
[00:09:13] IT IS NOT THE OLDER GUARD, THE MODERATE BLUE DOGS, THE CLINTON DEMOCRATS THAT WE USED TO REMEMBER. THEY ARE ENJOYING RETIREMENT OR GETTING READY TO.
[00:09:17] THEY ARE NOT OUT THERE KNOCKING ON DOORS. AND YOU CAN'T ALIENATE THE BASE THAT IS. DASHA: HOW DO YOU SOLVE FOR THE
[00:09:21] PROBLEM MARC IS TALKING ABOUT? JAIME: ONE OF THE THINGS, RIGHT
[00:09:22] NOW YOU ARE SEEING A LOT OF
[00:09:25] STYLE OVER SUBSTANCE.
[00:09:33] WHAT PEOPLE WANT IS THE ENERGY TO FIGHT BACK, TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THINGS THEY ARE SEEING
[00:09:37] FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION AND
[00:09:38] CONGRESS THAT THEY JUST DON'T
[00:09:42] LIKE. THEY WANT PEOPLE WHO WILL FIGHT
[00:09:44] FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND
[00:09:46] THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND SO IS THAT ENERGY THAT IS
[00:09:51] ATTRACTING THESE FOLKS TO THE POLLS AND TO THESE CANDIDATES. I THINK MARC IS RIGHT IN THAT SOME OF THE MORE ESTABLISHED
[00:09:55] ELECTED OFFICIALS DO NOT HAVE THAT ENERGY ANYMORE. THEY WANT TO JUST FOCUS ON THE
[00:09:58] POLICY.
[00:10:03] BUT PEOPLE NEED BOTH. THEY NEED ENERGY AND POLICY AND THEY ARE NOT GETTING THAT FROM
[00:10:05] SOME OF THE INCUMBENTS.
[00:10:11] AND I THINK THOSE INCUMBENTS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE LOSING THESE
[00:10:15] RACES.
[00:10:16] THE ONES WHO ARE STEPPING UP TO
[00:10:23] THE PLATE AND FIGHTING BACK AND PUSHING BACK, YOU ARE SEEING THEM WIN REELECTION IN THESE PRIMARIES.
[00:10:27] DASHA: JAIME, LET ME POSE A TRICKY ONE FOR YOU FOR DEMOCRATS.
[00:10:29] TWO MARC'S POINT ABOUT HOW DO YOU NOT ALIENATE FOLKS.
[00:10:32] HASAN PIKER HAS BECOME A FIGURE IN THE PARTY WHO IS CONTROVERSIAL.
[00:10:37] REPUBLICANS ARE KIND OF
[00:10:39] WEAPONIZING HIM AND TRYING TO
[00:10:42] HURT DEMOCRATS WITH HIS PRESENCE IN THE PARTY.
[00:10:46] HE WAS HELPFUL TO AL SYED, WHO WON IN MICHIGAN.
[00:10:49] HIS OPPONENT, WHO WAS TRYING TO
[00:10:53] HELP UNITE MICHIGAN DEMOCRATS
[00:10:55] AFTER LOSING, SAYS THERE IS NO
[00:10:58] PLACE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR HASAN PIKER, AND PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED TO SAY THAT HIS
[00:11:02] INFLUENCE ON THE PROGRESSIVE
[00:11:02] LEFT IS NOT A GOOD THING.
[00:11:06] SHOULD PARTY LEADERS FOLLOW SUIT? WHAT SHOULD YOU DO WITH A FIGURE
[00:11:10] LIKE HASAN PIKER WHO DOES HAVE A
[00:11:15] TON OF PROGRESSIVE YOUNG FOLLOWERS BUT IS ALSO SEEN AS PROBLEMATIC BY SOME DEMOCRATS? JAIME: I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF
[00:11:19] HASAN IS A DEMOCRAT. THAT IS THE FIRST THING. I CANNOT CONTROL OR INFLUENCE
[00:11:22] ANYBODY WHO IS NOT EVEN IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AND WOULDN'T EVEN TRY TO.
[00:11:25] I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST THING.
[00:11:27] THE SECOND THING IS, IT'S REALLY
[00:11:32] IMPORTANT WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING FOR CAMPAIGNS, THINK ABOUT THE
[00:11:34] PEOPLE YOU AFFILIATE WITH AND
[00:11:38] WHAT THAT SAYS AND THE SIGNALS IT SENDS TO OTHER FOLKS IN THE
[00:11:40] GENERAL ELECTORATE. BECAUSE GENERAL ELECTIONS ARE
[00:11:44] VERY DIFFERENT FROM PRIMARY ELECTIONS. THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING
[00:11:48] TO TURN THEIR HEAD FOR MIGHT NOT BE WHAT THE GENERAL ELECTORATE IS LOOKING FOR.
[00:11:53] YOU HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT. AGAIN, WINNING THE PRIMARY IS
[00:11:57] NOT THE END GOAL. THE END GOAL IS WINNING THE
[00:12:01] GENERAL ELECTION.
[00:12:04] IT'S ABOUT GETTING THE 218 VOTES IN THE HOUSE, GETTING 50 PLUS
[00:12:07] ONE IN THE SENATE.
[00:12:23] IT IS ABOUT BREAKING THE SUPER MAJORITIES AND GETTING CONTROL OF STATE LEGISLATURES.
[00:12:26] THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO BUILD
[00:12:29] COALITIONS TO DO THAT, BUILD
[00:12:32] GOVERNING COALITIONS.
[00:12:35] THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY
[00:12:39] DEMOCRATS, BUT INDEPENDENTS AND
[00:12:42] MODERATE REPUBLICANS AS WELL. THAT IS WHAT I ENCOURAGE ALL OF
[00:12:45] OUR CANDIDATES TO THINK ABOUT.
[00:12:50] HOW DO YOU BUILD A COALITION THAT CAN WIN AND GOVERN? DASHA: MARC, LET'S GO TO YOUR SIDE OF THE AISLE ON THE PRIMARY
[00:12:54] VERSUS GENERAL ELECTION QUESTION AND PARTICULARLY THE QUESTION OF THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT. NO QUESTION REALLY THAT IT HAS
[00:12:58] BEEN A BOON TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF CANDIDATES IN THEIR PRIMARY
[00:13:00] ELECTION.
[00:13:11] THEY TRUMP ENDORSEMENT MEANS A LOT. BUT IS THAT A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION IN THE GENERAL
[00:13:15] ELECTION? A RECENT REUTERS IPSOS POLL OUT THIS WEEK SHOWS THAT TRUMP'S APPROVAL RATING HAS FALLEN TO
[00:13:19] 33%, THE LOWEST OF HIS PRESIDENCY. AT THIS POINT, DO CANDIDATES
[00:13:22] WANT HIS ENDORSEMENT? WILL IT BE HELPFUL? MARC: I DO THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL. YOU STILL NEED THAT REPUBLICAN
[00:13:26] BASE TO COME OUT.
[00:13:27] YOU STILL NEED THE MAGA BASE TO
[00:13:31] SHOW UP, EVEN IN A GENERAL
[00:13:32] ELECTION.
[00:13:36] IT MAY MEAN SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, IF YOU ARE RUNNING IN A CONGRESSIONAL SEAT IN
[00:13:38] MANHATTAN OR IN URBAN DETROIT,
[00:13:42] YOU MIGHT NEED TO GET THE
[00:13:43] ENDORSEMENT BUT IT IS NOT GOING
[00:13:50] TO HELP YOU IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. I THINK IT MATTERS WHERE YOU'RE
[00:13:52] RUNNING.
[00:13:59] BUT EVEN IF YOU'RE RUNNING IN A VERY DEMOCRAT DISTRICT OR A VERY TOSSUP DISTRICT, YOU STILL NEED YOUR BASE TO SHOW UP. YOU NEED YOUR BASE TO COME OUT.
[00:14:03] AND THEN YOU NEED TO GO FIND THE REST OF THE VOTES.
[00:14:05] I USED TO SAY THERE IS 40% WHO
[00:14:09] ARE GOING TO VOTE D AND 40% WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE R, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND YOU NEED TO FIGHT
[00:14:12] FOR WHO GETS THE MAJORITY OF THE 20% IN THE MIDDLE. WHAT WILL MOVE THEM?
[00:14:16] TO JAIME'S POINT, THAT IS WHERE POLICY COMES IN. WHO IS GOING TO LOWER GAS PRICES OR DEAL WITH WHATEVER ISSUE?
[00:14:20] WHETHER IT IS THE BORDER,
[00:14:27] EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE. THAT IS WHERE THOSE ISSUES COME OUT. AT THE END OF THE DAY ONCE WE
[00:14:30] GET INTO THIS PROCESS -- BECAUSE WE ARE STILL JUST NOW FINISHING PRIMARY SEASON. THAT'S WHERE THE CANDIDATES WILL
[00:14:34] DIFFERENTIATE THEMSELVES. DASHA: DOES THE SAME APPLY TO TRUMP ACTUALLY SHOWING UP ON THE
[00:14:38] CAMPAIGN TRAIL? HOW MUCH OUR CANDIDATES THIRSTY
[00:14:40] AND REALLY WANT THE PRESIDENT TO
[00:14:47] CAMPAIGN WITH THEM? AND HOW SURGICAL DOES THAT DEPLOYMENT HAVE TO BE, GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST LAID OUT ABOUT THE
[00:14:51] DIFFERENT DYNAMICS IN DIFFERENT
[00:14:52] DISTRICTS AND STATES?
[00:14:59] MARC: I THINK IT'S VERY
[00:15:00] STRATEGIC.
[00:15:04] I HAVE ZERO DOUBT.
[00:15:06] I WAS ON THAT SIDE IN THE
[00:15:09] CAMPAIGN IN 2016, IN 2020. YOU HAVE THE NRSC, THE HOUSE AND
[00:15:13] SENATE CAMPAIGN ARMS, THEY ARE TELLING THE WHITE HOUSE, THE CANDIDATES, WHERE DO I THINK YOU CAN BE MOST BENEFICIAL? AND IT MAY NOT BE IN A TOSSUP
[00:15:17] STATE. IT MAY BE A SLIGHTLY RED STATE. OR IT COULD BE THAT TOSSUP STATE THAT WE KNOW IF YOU GIVE JUST
[00:15:21] THE RIGHT JUMP TO IN THE RIGHT MARKET, THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE
[00:15:23] TURNOUT WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE
[00:15:33] -- NEED IT TO BE DRIVEN OUT.
[00:15:39] THEY GET VERY SPECIFIC, WHAT COUNTY DOES HE GO IN? THAT COUNTY, IF THEY JUMP THEIR
[00:15:42] TURNOUT, THAT HELPS OUR STATEWIDE EFFORT. DASHA: HOW ARE DEMOCRATS LOOKING AT TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT AND HIS PRESENCE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL?
[00:15:46] DO THEY WANT TO SEE MORE OF HIM SO THEY CAN SAY THIS IS A
[00:15:48] REFERENDUM ON THE PRESIDENT?
[00:15:53] HOW ARE YOU ALL THINKING ABOUT IT? JAIME: WE DEFINITELY WANT HIM TO BE OUT THERE.
[00:15:57] CAMPAIGN FOR ALL OF THESE. GO INTO SOME OF THE SWING STATES.
[00:16:00] I CAN TELL YOU, WITH A 33% APPROVAL, THAT'S AN ANCHOR TO
[00:16:03] THE LEG OF ANY CANDIDATES THAT IS TRYING TO PAINT THEMSELVES AS
[00:16:07] MODERATE OR AS SOMEBODY WHO CAN WORK IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION.
[00:16:10] JUST UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE OF THIS.
[00:16:14] IN 2006 WHEN GEORGE W. BUSH WAS PRESIDENT, HIS APPROVAL AT THIS
[00:16:18] TIME, IN AUGUST OF 2006, WAS I THINK 41%, 42%. IN 2018, DONALD TRUMP'S APPROVAL
[00:16:22] AROUND THIS TIME WAS AROUND 41%.
[00:16:32] IN 2006, REPUBLICANS LOST 30 HOUSE SEATS AND SIX SENATE SEATS. IN 2018, REPUBLICANS LOST 41 SEATS IN THE HOUSE.
[00:16:36] BASICALLY WHEN YOUR APPROVAL IS BELOW 40% -- OR WHEN IT'S AT 41% OR 42%, IT IS BAD.
[00:16:39] WHEN IT'S BELOW 40%, IT IS REALLY, REALLY BAD. THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ANCHOR ON MANY OF THESE CANDIDATES.
[00:16:43] YOU DON'T SEE THAT TYPE OF
[00:16:48] ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM TO GET THE BASE OUT. WE WELCOME DONALD TRUMP TO BE ON THAT CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
[00:16:52] WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL HE DOES THIS CONVENTION FOR TWO DAYS,
[00:16:55] REMINDING PEOPLE OF ALL THE THINGS HE IS FOCUSED ON THAT'S
[00:16:58] NOT ABOUT THEIR COST THAT THEY ARE PAYING EVERY DAY AT THE GAS
[00:17:00] PUMP AND THE STORE.
[00:17:08] DASHA: REPUBLICANS HAVE GOT TO
[00:17:12] BE A LITTLE SPOOKED BY THESE
[00:17:14] POLLING NUMBERS.
[00:17:24] MARC: I THINK WE CAN'T TAKE THESE POLLING NUMBERS AS JUST
[00:17:25] HIS OVERALL APPROVAL.
[00:17:33] WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE ISSUES, REPUBLICANS ARE GENERALLY EVEN OR JUST AHEAD. IT MIGHT BE CLOSE ON NEARLY ALL
[00:17:37] THESE ISSUES.
[00:17:43] WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GASOLINE, PEOPLE CAN SAY I DON'T LIKE FOUR
[00:17:45] DOLLAR GAS.
[00:17:49] HOW ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS GET YOU FIVE DOLLAR GAS? AT LEAST DONALD TRUMP HAS A
[00:17:52] REASON GAS IS FOUR DOLLARS,
[00:17:53] BECAUSE HE IS DEALING WITH THE
[00:17:58] TERRORIST THREAT OF IRAN. THE DEMOCRATS JUST DON'T LIKE GASOLINE AND THEY WANT THE GREEN NEW DEAL. YOU CAN GO TO IMMIGRATION.
[00:18:02] YOU DON'T LIKE HOW HE IS DOING SOME THINGS ON IMMIGRATION. IT WAS WIDE-OPEN UNDER JOE BIDEN. YOU LIKED THAT EVEN LESS.
[00:18:06] WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES, I STILL THINK WE HAVE A VERY STRONG ADVANTAGE.
[00:18:09] IT MAY NOT SHOW UP OVERALL IN
[00:18:17] THE PRESIDENT'S OVERALL APPROVAL, BUT I DO THINK IT'S STILL A POWERFUL THAT THE
[00:18:20] DEMOCRATS ARE NOT TRUSTED ON NEARLY ANY OF THESE ISSUES EITHER. DASHA: LET'S TAKE OUR SHOW ON
[00:18:23] THE ROAD AND TRAVEL DOWN TO SOUTH CAROLINA AND TALK ABOUT THIS REPUBLICAN SENATE RUNOFF.
[00:18:26] LINDSEY GRAHAM'S SISTER, DARLINE
[00:18:32] GRAHAM, WHO WAS APPOINTED TO
[00:18:33] FILL THE SEAT OF HER LATE
[00:18:41] BROTHER, HAS FACED CRITICISM FOR HER PERFORMANCE IN A RECENT DEBATE, PARTICULARLY ON THIS FOREIGN POLICY QUESTION.
[00:18:45] >> ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY QUESTIONS, SENATOR, ARE TAIWAN AND THE SOUTH CHINA SEA NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES FOR THE UNITED
[00:18:49] STATES?
[00:18:50] IF SO, WHY?
[00:18:56] >> I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION?
[00:18:58] >> ARE TAIWAN AND THE SOUTH
[00:19:00] CHINA SEA NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES FOR THE UNITED STATES,
[00:19:03] AND IF SO WHY OR HOW? >> I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST
[00:19:06] HERE. I AM NOT THAT INFORMED ON NATIONAL SECURITY.
[00:19:10] BUT I DO SUPPORT THE MILITARY. MY BROTHER WAS IN THE AIR FORCE
[00:19:12] FOR 33 YEARS.
[00:19:16] SO I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO SUPPORT THE MILITARY. MY DAD WAS IN THE ARMY.
[00:19:21] I'M NOT A POLISHED POLITICIAN UP HERE. NATIONAL SECURITY IS NOT MY
[00:19:24] THING, NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.
[00:19:26] BUT I DO SUPPORT THE MILITARY.
[00:19:33] DASHA: OK, MARC, THAT WAS TOUGH. THERE WAS A LOT OF REACTION HERE.
[00:19:37] LOOK AT WHAT THE NATIONAL REVIEW WROTE -- DARLINE GRAHAM DIDN'T DO THE HOMEWORK.
[00:19:40] YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ESPECIALLY CONVERSANT ON FOREIGN POLICY OR NATIONAL SECURITY TO MUMBLE
[00:19:44] SOMETHING ABOUT THE ONGOING GREAT POWER COMPETITION BETWEEN AMERICA AND CHINA, BUT GRAHAM
[00:19:47] TOOK A PASS. SHE ALSO MISTAKENLY STATED THERE
[00:19:51] WERE 50 MILLION PEOPLE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, WHEN THE POPULATION IS
[00:19:54] ROUGHLY 5.6 MILLION.
[00:19:58] WHAT DO YOU THINK?
[00:20:03] MARC: I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT FOR GRETA VAN SUSTEREN ON NEWSMAX, WHERE I WORK AS THE MORNING SHOW
[00:20:06] HOST, FOR MODERATING THAT.
[00:20:07] THERE IS NO QUESTION, THAT WAS A
[00:20:11] BAD ANSWER. IN A ONE OR TWO WEEK SPECIAL RUNOFF ELECTION, THAT KIND OF
[00:20:15] ANSWER CAN BE DEVASTATING WHEN YOU ARE GOING UP AGAINST SOMEONE IN RALPH NORMAN WHO IS A SITTING
[00:20:19] CONGRESSMAN AND RAN FOR GOVERNOR
[00:20:21] AND DID VERY WELL.
[00:20:26] THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT
[00:20:27] FOR HER IN A SHORT PERIOD OF
[00:20:34] TIME. THE QUESTION WILL BE, DOES THE GRAHAM FAMILY LEGACY, THE TRUMP
[00:20:38] ENDORSEMENT, THE NAME MAKE PEOPLE SAY, I WILL GIVE HER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT?
[00:20:41] SHE WAS AT LEAST BEING HONEST, WHICH MOST POLITICIANS WON'T DO. BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT
[00:20:44] WAS A VERY BAD ANSWER AND IT WILL HURT HER AT THE POLLS ON TUESDAY. DASHA: ARE DEMOCRATS HOPING THAT
[00:20:48] GRAHAM PULLS IT OUT? JAIME: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
[00:20:51] A PARTY BECOMES CENTERED AROUND ONE PERSON'S ENDORSEMENT RATHER
[00:20:54] THAN PREPARATION FOR THE JOB.
[00:21:07] REPUBLICANS OFTEN LIKE TO TALK ABOUT D.E.I. WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, BOTH
[00:21:10] RALPH AND DARLINE DIDN'T EARN IT. NEITHER ONE OF THEM ARE CREDIBLE CANDIDATES.
[00:21:14] I CAN GIVE YOU FIVE REPUBLICANS HERE THAT WOULD AT LEAST, I WOULD SAY, BE QUALIFIED TO BE U.S. SENATORS, AND NEITHER ONE
[00:21:18] OF THEM ARE. IT'S JUST REALLY, REALLY SAD TO
[00:21:21] SEE THIS HAPPENING. AND SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS DARLINE OR RALPH, I AM VERY
[00:21:25] BULLISH ABOUT DR. ANNIE ANDREWS, WHO IS A PEDIATRICIAN RUNNING
[00:21:28] FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE.
[00:21:36] SHE IS SMART, SHE IS CAPABLE, SHE HAS DONE HER HOMEWORK, AND
[00:21:38] SHE IS READY TO GO TO THE U.S.
[00:21:41] SENATE. RALPH AND DARLINE, AS WE SAY
[00:21:45] HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BLESS
[00:21:48] THEIR HEARTS. DASHA: TAKE A LISTEN TO HOW
[00:21:52] DARLINE GRAHAM RESPONDED AND EXPLAINED HER ANSWER. >> I GOT THE TAIWAN QUESTION
[00:21:56] WRONG. WE ALL KNOW THAT. TO ME AS I WALKED AROUND THIS
[00:22:00] ROOM AND PAST PEOPLE, WERE THEY
[00:22:02] CONCERNED ABOUT TAIWAN?
[00:22:05] YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAID? NO. THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
[00:22:08] PRICE OF GROCERIES. THE PRICE OF GAS. THE RISING HEALTH CARE COSTS.
[00:22:11] HIS NATIONAL SECURITY IMPORTANT?
[00:22:12] ABSOLUTELY.
[00:22:23] CAN I LEARN? I AM SMART. YES, I WILL LEARN. I WILL BECOME INFORMED. EVERYBODY HAS A FIRST DAY ON THE
[00:22:27] JOB. PRESIDENT TRUMP, WAS HE A POLITICIAN?
[00:22:30] HAS HE DONE A GOOD JOB? YES, HE HAS. DASHA: DO YOU THINK THAT KIND OF
[00:22:34] RESPONSE WILL RESONATE WITH THE PRESIDENT? DO YOU THINK HE STICKS WITH HIS
[00:22:38] ENDORSEMENT? MARC: I DON'T THINK HE WILL CHANGE COURSE. I DON'T KNOW OBVIOUSLY FOR SURE,
[00:22:42] BUT I DON'T THINK HE WILL CHANGE COURSE THIS LATE. THERE IS ONLY A FEW DAYS TO GO BEFORE VOTERS HEAD BACK TO THE
[00:22:46] POLLS. I THINK THE VOTERS OF SOUTH
[00:22:50] CAROLINA HAVE A GREAT CHOICE. I THINK THAT KIND OF ANSWER
[00:22:53] MIGHT CONNECT WITH FOLKS IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THAT WILL GIVE HER A LITTLE BIT OF THE BENEFIT
[00:22:56] OF THE DOUBT. SHE HAS HAD A ROUGH MONTH SINCE
[00:23:00] SHE LOST HER BROTHER UNEXPECTEDLY. OBVIOUSLY THE LATE SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM.
[00:23:03] WILL THAT MATTER IN THEIR VOTE ON TUESDAY?
[00:23:07] I DON'T KNOW. TO JAIME'S EARLIER POINT, I DO HOPE DEMOCRATS SPEND A LOT OF
[00:23:11] MONEY IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND IN PLACES LIKE TEXAS BECAUSE THAT IS NOT GOING TO WORK OUT FOR
[00:23:16] THEM. DASHA: YOU GOT ME TO MY NEXT TOPIC.
[00:23:20] LET'S TRAVEL ON DOWN TO TEXAS, WHERE A VERY INTERESTING STORY IS SHAPING UP ON THE TALARICO
[00:23:23] CAMPAIGN. I WAS FASCINATED. JAMES TALARICO APPROACHES CORN
[00:23:27] IN STAFFORD. CROSS PARTY HIRES ARE RARE, BUT
[00:23:31] THE MOVE COULD SHOW THE SENATE DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN IS HOPING TO
[00:23:34] REACH OUT TO REPUBLICANS IN
[00:23:35] RELIABLY RED TEXAS.
[00:23:39] JAIME, WAS THIS A SMART MOVE? ARE DEMOCRATS GOING TO SPEND BIG
[00:23:42] IN TEXAS ON THIS RACE?
[00:23:45] JAIME: ONE HIRE DOESN'T DECIDE
[00:23:51] THE ELECTION, BUT CAMPAIGNS ARE
[00:23:52] ABOUT COALITIONS.
[00:23:59] THIS TELLS YOU THAT TALARICO REALLY UNDERSTANDS WHAT KIND OF
[00:24:01] COALITION HE NEEDS IN ORDER TO WIN. DEMOCRATS WON'T WIN TEXAS BY
[00:24:05] ONLY TALKING TO DEMOCRATS. YOU GOT TO BRING DEMOCRATS TOGETHER, MOTIVATE YOUNG VOTERS AND LATINO VOTERS.
[00:24:09] YOU GOT TO GIVE INDEPENDENTS AND SOME TRADITIONAL REPUBLICANS
[00:24:13] PERMISSION TO VOTE DEMOCRATIC. PAXTON IS A CORRUPT AND LAZY
[00:24:15] POLITICIAN.
[00:24:17] THAT IS NOT JUST THE DEMOCRATS
[00:24:21] SAYING THAT. YOU ARE HEARING THAT FROM REPUBLICANS IN THE STATE THAT HAVE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
[00:24:25] TYPE OF CAMPAIGN HE IS RUNNING, OR THE LACK OF A CAMPAIGN.
[00:24:28] THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE MAJOR REPUBLICAN INVESTMENTS IN THIS
[00:24:31] DAY THUS FAR, WHICH MAKES YOU
[00:24:34] REALLY SCRATCH YOUR HEAD WHEN
[00:24:38] THE POLLS HAVE BEEN CLOSED FOR MONTHS.
[00:24:41] YOU DON'T SEE MAJOR INVESTMENTS
[00:24:46] BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, BY THE
[00:24:51] NRSC. THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CANDIDACY OF THIS RACE?
[00:24:54] JUST LOOKING AT IT, I WOULD BE. I THINK JAMES TALARICO IS
[00:24:57] RUNNING A VERY STRONG CAMPAIGN AND IS PUTTING THIS INTO PLAY. DASHA: WILL THERE BE MORE MAJOR
[00:25:00] INVESTMENT FROM DEMOCRATS?
[00:25:02] TALARICO IS A REALLY STRONG
[00:25:10] FUNDRAISER, BUT IS THE PARTY
[00:25:16] GOING TO SPEND BIG HERE? JAIME: WE JUST LEARNED THAT THE COOK REPORT HAS NOW MOVED TO TEXAS TO A TOSSUP SEAT.
[00:25:20] AND THEY HAVE EVEN SHIFTED THE GOVERNOR'S RACE IN TEXAS AS WELL. I THINK REPUBLICANS IN THIS
[00:25:24] MIDYEAR REDISTRICTING DID
[00:25:25] SOMETHING, AND THEY CAN THANK
[00:25:32] DONALD TRUMP FOR THIS. BUT THEY HAVE WOKEN UP SOME OF THE MINORITY COMMUNITIES PARTICULARLY IN THE SOUTH.
[00:25:35] BLACK COMMUNITIES AND LATINO
[00:25:44] COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS EFFORT TO MINIMIZE THEIR POLITICAL VOICES AND POLITICAL POWER.
[00:25:48] THEREFORE YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE A SURGE ACROSS THE SOUTH OF BLACK VOTERS GOING TO THE POLLS. TO PUSH BACK.
[00:25:52] WE SAW IT IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
[00:25:53] WE SAW IT IN GEORGIA.
[00:25:56] WE ARE SEEING IT IN TENNESSEE
[00:26:04] AND OTHER PLACES, LOUISIANA. I THINK THAT TREND IS GOING TO CONTINUE GOING INTO ELECTION DAY.
[00:26:08] ALL OF THE ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM
[00:26:09] AND PASSION RIGHT NOW IS ON THE
[00:26:13] DEMOCRATIC SIDE. AND THAT MEANS IN THE MIDTERM ELECTION WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL TURNOUT, THAT MEANS THAT ANY STATE CAN BE IN
[00:26:17] PLAY, PARTICULARLY WHEN A BIG ELECTORAL WAVE IS BEING BUILT. AND SO I SAY TO THE REPUBLICANS,
[00:26:22] DON'T DEFEND IT.
[00:26:23] DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY.
[00:26:26] LET IT GO. AND I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO
[00:26:29] THE SURPRISES WE SEE ON ELECTION
[00:26:31] DAY, JUST LIKE I SAW THEM IN
[00:26:38] 2006 AND 2018. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE SOME
[00:26:42] BIG SURPRISES ON ELECTION DAY. DASHA: WILL REPUBLICANS LISTEN
[00:26:45] TO THAT ADVICE?
[00:26:48] DON'T SPEND THERE, LET IT GO?
[00:26:51] MARC: LUCKILY ON OUR ACCOUNT WE HAVE LIKE A 20 TO ONE ADVANTAGE ON MONEY.
[00:26:55] WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY TO SPEND AND DONALD TRUMP IS ONE OF THE
[00:26:57] GREATEST FUNDRAISERS WHO IS JUST
[00:26:59] NOW UNLEASHING HIS MASSIVE
[00:27:03] BANKROLL. WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY WE CAN PUT IN TEXAS AND ALL THE PLACES
[00:27:06] WE NEED TO DO. YOU HAVE TALARICO IN HIS OWN
[00:27:09] WORDS, HIS POLICIES, HIS STANCES
[00:27:12] DO NOT LINE UP WITH TEXAS VALUES.
[00:27:15] WHEN IT COMES TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND MINORITY
[00:27:18] VOTERS WHO ARE UPSET ABOUT REDISTRICTING, THEY CAN LOOK AT
[00:27:22] DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, THEIR NEW REPRESENTATIVE FROM A BLACK
[00:27:25] DISTRICT.
[00:27:26] DASHA: BEFORE I THAT YOU GO, I
[00:27:32] -- LET YOU GO, I WANT TO GET TO
[00:27:36] THE DISPUTE BETWEEN SENATOR JON OSSOFF AND PRESIDENT TRUMP. I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS ARTICLE FROM AXIOS, AFTER JON OSSOFF
[00:27:40] MENTIONED TRUMP EIGHT NATALIE
[00:27:49] HART. JON OSSOFF TESTS DEMOCRAT APPETITE FOR GOING LOW. THE FIRESTORM OVER HIS
[00:27:52] SUGGESTIVE REMARK ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S RIGHT-HAND WOMAN HAS RAISED A QUESTION ABOUT THE TYPE OF CAMPAIGN
[00:27:56] DEMOCRATS WILL RUN IN 2028. HERE IS HIS INITIAL COMMENT AND PRESIDENT TRUMP'S REACTION.
[00:27:59] >> AND WHILE THE SAILORS FIGHT THIS WAR, WHILE HE FRUITLESSLY
[00:28:02] DRAINS OUR MUNITIONS AND OIL
[00:28:04] RESERVES, THE PRESIDENT SLEEPS
[00:28:10] THROUGH HIS MEETINGS.
[00:28:11] HE GOLFS AND TRADES STOCKS.
[00:28:14] SEE, HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE JOB.
[00:28:16] HE WANTS TO BUILD HIS BALLROOM
[00:28:24] AND TRAVEL WITH NATALIE ON THEIR
[00:28:27] APPARENTLY DEFENSELESS FLYING PALACE GIFTED BY THE AMIR OF
[00:28:30] QATAR.
[00:28:33] >> JOHN OSSOFF SAID YOU WOULD RATHER TRAVEL WITH YOUR AID NATALIE AND BUILD THE BALLROOM.
[00:28:37] PRES. TRUMP: YOU MEAN PEE-WEE HERMAN? PEE-WEE HERMAN LOOK ALIKE.
[00:28:40] NO, I WOULD MUCH RATHER DO OTHER
[00:28:41] THINGS. WE ARE BUILDING A GREAT FACILITY
[00:28:45] HERE.
[00:28:51] WE ARE FIXING A WHITE HOUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. DASHA: WAS THIS A GOOD MOVE BY
[00:28:54] OSSOFF? WHERE ARE YOU ON THE DEBATE? JAIME: WELL, TRUMP GOES THERE
[00:28:57] EVERY SECOND OF THE DAY, SO WE CAN TOO.
[00:29:01] DASHA: MARC?
[00:29:04] MARC: I HATE THIS ABOUT POLITICS ON ALL SIDES.
[00:29:08] LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES. BUT IF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, I WOULD NOT GET IN THE
[00:29:12] MUD WITH DONALD TRUMP AT ANY POINT BECAUSE WE KNOW HE WILL
[00:29:15] PUNCH BACK HARDER.
[00:29:20] DASHA: MARC, I HAVE TO ASK YOU
[00:29:23] THIS BECAUSE WE WROTE IN PLAYBOOK THAT SCOTT JENNINGS HAS
[00:29:25] USED HIS DEFENSE OF NATALIE HART
[00:29:29] TO POTENTIALLY REVIVE FOR THE PRESS SECRETARY JOB. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF SCOTT JENNINGS?
[00:29:33] AND ARE YOU GOING TO THROW YOUR HAT IN THE RING?
[00:29:36] MARC: I HAVE A DAY JOB OR A MORNING SHOW JOB RIGHT NOW. BACK IN THE DAY SCOTT JENNINGS
[00:29:40] AND I WOULD BE ON CNN TOGETHER. I SAW A LOT OF POST AND SAID IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE DEMOCRATS
[00:29:43] WHEN WE ARE THERE. I LOVE SCOTT FOR THE JOB IF HE
[00:29:46] WANTS A, AND ULTIMATELY IF THE
[00:29:51] -- WANTS IT, AND ULTIMATELY IF
[00:29:59] THE PRESIDENT WANTS HIM TO HAVE IT. I CAN THINK OF FEW BETTER PEOPLE
[00:30:02] ON IT. I WILL STICK TO THE MORNING SHOW FOR A WHILE.
[00:30:05] I DON'T EXPECT THAT CALL TO COME. DASHA: JAIME, QUICKLY BACK TO
[00:30:08] OSSOFF, DO YOU THINK DEMOCRATS SHOULD PLAY A LITTLE BIT DIRTIER? JAIME: I THINK WE NEED TO CALL A
[00:30:12] SPADE A SPADE.
[00:30:13] AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T PULL OUR
[00:30:17] PUNCHES. THIS IS A WHITE HOUSE THAT IS CONSTANTLY GOING BELOW THE BELT,
[00:30:20] TRYING TO HIT FOLKS, DEMONIZING
[00:30:25] THEM. AND I THINK IT'S TIME -- THIS IS THE ENERGY THAT I THINK THE
[00:30:28] VOTERS RIGHT NOW, PARTICULARLY
[00:30:31] ON OUR SIDE, ARE LOOKING FOR.
[00:30:34] THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN
[00:30:36] FIGHT FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES JUST AS
[00:30:39] MUCH AS DONALD TRUMP 10 FIGHT
[00:30:43] -- CAN FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES.
[00:30:48] IF YOU CAN'T, THEY WILL REPLACE YOU. I THINK JON OSSOFF IS STEPPING UP TO WHAT VOTERS ON OUR SIDE
[00:30:51] ARE LOOKING FOR AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
[00:30:53] SO KUDOS TO HIM.
[00:31:02] DASHA: GENTLEMEN, THAT IS ALL
[00:31:05] THE TIME WE HAVE. JAIME HARRISON, FORMER DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIR, AND MARC LOTTER, FORMER
[00:31:09] SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT TRUMP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THIS WEEK PRESIDENT TRUMP
[00:31:12] ORDERED THE PENTAGON TO SCALE BACK JOINT MILITARY EXERCISES WITH SOUTH KOREA. TRUMP SAYS IT'S DUE TO SOUTH
[00:31:16] KOREA'S DECISION NOT TO HELP WITH THE WAR AGAINST IRAN.
[00:31:20] IT BRINGS US TO THIS WEEK'S FLASHBACK, WHERE WE DIG INTO THE
[00:31:23] VIDEO ARCHIVES TO SHOW YOU A
[00:31:25] BACK IN 1990, THE U.S. TROOP
[00:31:27] PRESENCE IN THE KOREAN PENINSULA
[00:31:30] WAS UP FOR DEBATE. CONGRESS CONSIDERED REDUCING THE
[00:31:33] NUMBER OF TROOPS STATIONED IN SOUTH KOREA AS THE PERSIAN GULF
[00:31:36] CRISIS WAS ESCALATING AND THOUSANDS OF U.S. TROOPS WERE BEING DEPLOYED TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
[00:31:41] OPPONENTS OF THE AMENDMENT
[00:31:43] WARRANT THAT REDUCING U.S.
[00:31:46] -- WARNED THAT REDUCING U.S.
[00:31:52] MILITARY PRESENCE WOULD SIGNAL WEAKNESS TO NORTH KOREA. HERE IS THE END REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN MAKING THAT CASE. >> NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TAKE
[00:31:56] UNILATERAL DISARMAMENT ACTIONS IN KOREA.
[00:31:58] NORTH KOREA HAS DONE NOTHING TO
[00:32:00] LESSEN ITS DICTATORIAL POLICIES TO WARRANT US LOWERING OUR
[00:32:03] GUARD.
[00:32:07] I BELIEVE THE AMENDMENT COULD SERIOUSLY JEOPARDIZE THE
[00:32:10] SECURITY SITUATION ON THE KOREAN PENINSULA, INCREASE INSTABILITY,
[00:32:13] AND RAISE THE POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER WAR, NOT LESSEN IT.
[00:32:17] THIS AMENDMENT I BELIEVE SIGNALS
[00:32:19] THAT WE BELIEVE THE NORTH KOREAN
[00:32:22] THREAT HAS DIMINISHED, EVEN THOUGH IT HASN'T.
[00:32:26] IT COULD SERVE IN THE WORST CASE AS A GREEN LIGHT TO KIM IL-SUNG
[00:32:30] THAT NOW IS THE TIME TO TAKE
[00:32:33] ACTION, EVEN MILITARY ACTION, TO OBTAIN HIS OBJECTIVES IN THE SOUTH.
[00:32:36] WITH FORCES DEPLOYED TO THE PERSIAN GULF, WE ARE STRETCHED
[00:32:39] THIN TO REACT.
[00:32:42] DASHA: THE POTENTIAL TROOP WITHDRAWAL WAS ULTIMATELY REJECTED.
[00:32:46] TO DISCUSS U.S. MILITARY MOVES OVERSEAS IN 2026, I AM JOINED BY
[00:32:48] TWO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERTS.
[00:32:52] NAYYERA HAQ AND KIRSTEN
[00:33:04] FONTENROSE.
[00:33:12] THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
[00:33:15] >> THANKS FOR HAVING US. DASHA: LET'S TALK ABOUT U.S.
[00:33:19] RELATIONS WITH NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA. PRESIDENT TRUMP MOVED TO SCALE
[00:33:23] BACK JOINT MILITARY EXERCISES IN SOUTH KOREA, HE SAYS OVER
[00:33:27] RELUCTANCE TO DENUCLEARIZE IRAN. KIRSTEN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
[00:33:31] THIS MOVE?
[00:33:35] KIRSTEN: THIS IS A STATEMENT TO
[00:33:38] SOUTH KOREA THAT THEY EXPECT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME IF THEY
[00:33:42] EXPECT THE U.S. TO HAVE THEIR BACK.
[00:33:45] WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STRAIT OF
[00:33:48] HORMUZ IN TERMS OF DEPENDENCY ON
[00:33:50] IMPORTS, THE U.S. IS ABOUT 7%.
[00:33:56] SOUTH KOREA, 65% TO 70% OF YOUR
[00:34:06] IMPORTS OF OIL COMING FROM THE STRAIT. THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN QUIETLY SPEAKING WITH SOUTH KOREA ON
[00:34:09] TOPICS LIKE, ARE THERE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO GET BEHIND THIS WAR EFFORT OR SHOW SUPPORT FOR
[00:34:13] ITS GOALS? BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MUCH AT
[00:34:16] STAKE IN WHETHER THE STRAIT IS OPEN. SOUTH KOREA DID NOT REALLY MOVE ON THAT.
[00:34:20] THE PRESIDENT SAID, WE ARE GOING
[00:34:21] TO SEND YOU A SIGNAL.
[00:34:26] IN THIS CASE IT'S A REDUCTION IN THE TIME OF THE EXERCISE,
[00:34:29] REDUCED BY SIX DAYS, TO SAY WE
[00:34:31] NEED TO SEE YOU DOING MORE TO PROTECT YOURSELF IF YOU ARE NOT
[00:34:35] GOING TO ASSIST US IN OUR GOALS. WE CAN'T ALWAYS BE THERE FOR
[00:34:39] YOU.
[00:34:43] IT'S NOT JUST A ONE-SIDED RELATIONSHIP.
[00:34:44] IT SHOULDN'T CAUSE WIDESPREAD
[00:34:50] PANIC, BUT IT SHOULD BE READ AND SOLD AS A MESSAGE FROM
[00:34:55] -- READ IN SEOUL AS A MESSAGE
[00:34:59] FROM WASHINGTON THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THEM TO DO MORE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES OR GET BEHIND THE U.S.
[00:35:02] I THINK SEOUL HAS RESPONDED TO THIS. WE SAW THEM TAKE SOME STEPS ON THEIR NUCLEAR SUB PROGRAM, WHICH MAY BE WASHINGTON DOESN'T WANT
[00:35:06] TO SEE, BUT IT'S A STEP TO
[00:35:11] DEFEND THEMSELVES. DASHA: THE DRILLS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A DETERRENT TO NORTH KOREA.
[00:35:15] WE JUST SAW IN THAT FLASHBACK HOW IMPORTANT THAT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY.
[00:35:18] WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE POTENTIAL DANGER OF THIS MOVE BY
[00:35:22] THE PRESIDENT?
[00:35:25] NAYYERA: THESE MILITARY EXERCISES ARE WHAT I WITNESSED WHEN I WAS WORKING AT THE
[00:35:29] PENTAGON.
[00:35:32] THEY ARE REPRESENTATIONS OF HOW THE UNITED STATES JOINS WITH
[00:35:36] ALLIES TO PROTECT MUTUAL INTERESTS.
[00:35:39] THERE IS A LOT TO UNPACK.
[00:35:44] THE UNITED STATES HAS AN INTEREST IN MAINTAINING SOUTH KOREA'S INDEPENDENCE AS A DEMOCRACY AND AS AN ALLY AGAINST
[00:35:48] CHINA'S TAKEOVER OF THE REGION.
[00:35:52] THIS IS MOSTLY ABOUT CHINA AND
[00:35:55] HOW THEY HAVE BEEN DOMINATING NOT ONLY TRADE BUT PUTTING
[00:35:59] MILITARY PRESSURE ON THE SOUTH CHINA SEA. SO WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS
[00:36:03] SITUATION IN THE TRUMP CALCULUS IS EXPLICITLY CONNECTING SUPPORT
[00:36:07] FOR WHAT THE UNITED STATES
[00:36:11] UNILATERALLY DECIDED TO DO IN IRAN AND HOW THE UNITED STATES
[00:36:14] IS STRUGGLING WITH ALLIES AND SUPPORT FOR EFFORTS IN IRAN AND
[00:36:17] CONNECTING THAT IMMEDIATELY TO WHAT HAS TYPICALLY BEEN SEEN AS
[00:36:21] JOINT EXERCISES FOR SHARED GOALS
[00:36:23] IN SOUTH KOREA.
[00:36:26] AND EVEN WE SEE THE CHALLENGE WITH TAIWAN. REALLY I LOOK AT THIS AND I
[00:36:30] THINK THERE HAS TYPICALLY BEEN A BENEFIT TO THE UNITED STATES TO STAY MILITARILY ENGAGED AND
[00:36:34] PRESENT.
[00:36:41] THE DETERRENT THREAT HAS SIGNALED THAT.
[00:36:46] IT HAS ALSO ALLOWED US TO HAVE THE TRADE OPPORTUNITIES WITH SOUTH KOREAN TECHNOLOGY AND VIETNAM AND OTHERS IN THE REGION.
[00:36:49] THAT HAS BEEN AN ECONOMIC BOON TO THE UNITED STATES. ALL OF THAT NOW COMES UNDER
[00:36:52] QUESTION.
[00:36:56] SO, WHO IS BENEFITING? IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAL,
[00:37:00] TECHNICAL -- THIS IS ABOUT SOUTH KOREA'S SUPPORT FOR IRAN.
[00:37:02] BUT ZOOMING OUT, THE REAL BENEFICIARY FOR THE UNITED
[00:37:06] STATES, THROWING ASIAN POLICY OR
[00:37:10] ASIAN ALLIES IN A BIT OF A DISARRAY OR GETTING THEM CONCERNED, CHINA IS THE ONE WHO
[00:37:13] BENEFITS. DASHA: LISTEN TO WHAT PRESIDENT
[00:37:17] TRUMP SAID ABOUT NORTH KOREA'S NUCLEAR STOCKPILE AND HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH LEADER KIM
[00:37:20] JONG-UN. PRES. TRUMP: HE HAS 57 VERY
[00:37:23] POWERFUL NUCLEAR WEAPONS. SHOULD HAVE NEVER ALLOWED IT TO
[00:37:27] HAPPEN.
[00:37:30] THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER ALLOWED IT. IF I WAS PRESIDENT, I WOULDN'T HAVE, BUT HE HAS GOT THEM.
[00:37:34] I GET ALONG WITH HIM VERY WELL. YOU CANNOT LET IRAN HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
[00:37:38] AND I KNOW KIM JONG-UN VERY WELL
[00:37:39] AND HE'S GOING TO BE FINE. AS LONG AS WE HAVE A SMART
[00:37:43] PRESIDENT, HE'S GOING TO BE FINE. IF WE HAVE A DUMB PRESIDENT, THEN HE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO
[00:37:47] BE SO FINE. >> DO YOU EXPECT TO MEET WITH HIM LATER THIS YEAR?
[00:37:50] PRES. TRUMP: I WILL BE.
[00:37:57] DASHA: TRANSLATE THAT FOR US.
[00:38:02] IS THIS A NEGOTIATING TACTIC? WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT DOING? KIRSTEN: IT'S A NEGOTIATING
[00:38:06] TACTIC IN THE SENSE HE IS NOT TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT
[00:38:08] KIM SHOULD COME TO ANY TALKS DEFENSIVELY. NORTH KOREA HAS RECENTLY DONE
[00:38:12] SOME MISSILE TESTING, AND THAT IS MEANT TO INCREASE THEIR LEVERAGE IN A DISCUSSION. YOU HAVE A SMALL COUNTRY WHO IS TRYING TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH
[00:38:16] AMERICA'S PRESIDENT. NORTH KOREA LIKES ATTENTION. THEY LIKE TO BE PERCEIVED AS
[00:38:20] OUTSIZED IN INTERNATIONAL NEGOTIATIONS.
[00:38:24] WE SAW THAT WHEN THE TWO MET DURING THE LAST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
[00:38:27] NORTH KOREA LIKES TO BE FRONT AND CENTER OF THE PAPER, ABOVE
[00:38:30] THE FOLD.
[00:38:32] THIS DRAWS ATTENTION TO THEM. AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR,
[00:38:35] AS YOU HAVE SEEN FROM STATEMENTS FROM BOTH THE NORTH KOREAN
[00:38:39] PRESIDENT'S SISTER AND OTHER LEADERS IN THE COUNTRY, WE HAVE
[00:38:42] NO PROBLEM WITH THE U.S. WE GET ALONG VERY WELL WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.
[00:38:45] BUT WE REALLY DON'T APPRECIATE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S POLICY TOWARD
[00:38:49] SOUTH KOREA AND A PREFERENCE
[00:38:54] TOWARD SOUTH KOREA OVER A RELATIONSHIP WITH US. THEY ALSO TOOK AWAY FROM MUCH OF
[00:38:58] WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN IRAN THE LESSON THAT A COUNTRY WITHOUT A NUCLEAR WEAPON IS AT A DISADVANTAGE.
[00:39:01] THEY ARE INTERPRETING THIS TWO WAYS. ONE, THEY WILL NOT COME TO THIS
[00:39:05] SUMMIT WITH TRUMP WITH ANY
[00:39:08] INTENT TO GET RID OF THEIR NUCLEAR STOCKPILE. WHICH IS GOING TO FLY IN THE
[00:39:11] FACE OF WHAT WASHINGTON WILL TRY TO ACHIEVE AT THAT SUMMIT.
[00:39:14] THERE ARE ALSO TAKING A WAY THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE OUTSIZED
[00:39:18] INFLUENCE ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE THAT THEY THINK THEY CAN IF THEY RETAIN THEIR NUCLEAR
[00:39:22] PROGRAM. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TELLING THEM THINGS ARE GOOD BETWEEN US, WE
[00:39:26] CAN HAVE A CIVIL CONVERSATION, BECAUSE IT WILL ALSO BE ABOUT
[00:39:28] SUPPORT NORTH KOREA HAS PROVIDED
[00:39:32] TO OTHER CONFLICTS AROUND THE
[00:39:35] WORLD, AND IT WILL BE ABOUT TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF
[00:39:39] FRIENDS CHINA HAS IN THE EVENT
[00:39:40] THERE IS ANY FRISKINESS TOWARD
[00:39:43] TAIWAN IN 2027, WHICH IS STILL THE DATE BEING THROWN AROUND
[00:39:46] EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT NOT THINK THAT'S GOING TO TRACK. THE PRESIDENT IS SENDING THAT
[00:39:50] SIGNAL, LET'S HAVE A FRIENDLY
[00:39:54] CONVERSATION, BUT OF COURSE WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT YOUR NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND YOUR ACTIONS
[00:39:58] OUTSIDE YOUR BORDERS.
[00:40:00] DASHA: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE MESSAGE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
[00:40:04] SENDING BOTH NORTH KOREA BUT ALSO WHAT OUR ALLIES ARE
[00:40:08] HEARING?
[00:40:12] NAYYERA: I WOULD ROLL BACK THE PREMISE.
[00:40:15] WHY IS NORTH KOREA BEING WELCOMED TO ANY DISCUSSION OR
[00:40:17] NEGOTIATION?
[00:40:20] NORTH KOREA IS A PARIAH STATE THAT EFFECTIVELY HAD BEEN CUT
[00:40:24] OFF FROM THE WORLD. HAD TO MAKE BACKDOOR DEALS TO
[00:40:28] GET ANYTHING. AND IN FACT, THEIR NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY GET WAS
[00:40:31] FROM BACK CHANNELS THROUGH CHINA AND RUSSIA AND IRAN.
[00:40:34] SO IRAN RIGHT NOW IS AT WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES.
[00:40:36] SO WHY IS THEIR ALLY BEING
[00:40:39] WELCOMED AT A TABLE FOR AN OPEN DISCUSSION?
[00:40:42] AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. THE IDEA THAT TRUMP THOUGHT HE
[00:40:46] COULD SHAKE UP OR CHANGE NORTH KOREA'S VERY PREDICTABLE BEHAVIOR.
[00:40:50] AS KIRSTEN MENTIONED, THEY LOVE BEING IN THE HEADLINES.
[00:40:54] THE MISSILE STRIKES ALWAYS HAVE
[00:41:00] -- HAPPEN AT TIMES WHEN THEY
[00:41:03] THINK THEY WILL GET U.S. AND ALLIED ATTENTION. IGNORING THEM PUBLICLY, CUTTING THEM OFF DIPLOMATICALLY HAS HURT
[00:41:07] KIM JONG-UN'S EGO SIGNIFICANTLY.
[00:41:07] BEING ALLOWED TO APPEAR ON
[00:41:11] STAGE, THE GLOBAL STAGE,
[00:41:14] SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH THE U.S.
[00:41:16] PRESIDENT, BEING LEGITIMIZED
[00:41:18] WITH THE NORTH KOREAN FLAG NEXT TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG,
[00:41:23] THAT'S BEEN A GIFT TO KIM JONG-UN.
[00:41:26] NOW THE CONVERSATION IS, LET'S
[00:41:29] SEE WHAT THEY WILL DO AND HOW THEY COME TO NEGOTIATE.
[00:41:33] I WOULD SAY THEY SHOULD NOT BE THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
[00:41:36] AND IN FACT WE ARE NOW IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE
[00:41:40] NEGOTIATING POTENTIALLY WITH IRAN.
[00:41:42] THAT'S STILL UNCLEAR.
[00:41:45] BUT THAT NORTH KOREA IS BEING TREATED BY SOME KIND OF EQUAL PARTNER TO THE UNITED STATES.
[00:41:49] IT'S BEEN A TERRIBLE SIGNAL TO THE DEMOCRACIES OF THE WORLD, NOT ONLY SOUTH KOREA, BUT EUROPE
[00:41:53] AND ELSEWHERE IN ASIA THAT THE UNITED STATES CAN BE VERY
[00:41:57] FRIENDLY WITH DICTATORSHIPS.
[00:42:00] IN FACT NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM
[00:42:02] THAT FIRST TRUMP MEETING WITH
[00:42:04] KIM JONG-UN AND THEIR RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF TECHNOLOGY AND
[00:42:07] NUCLEAR WEAPONS. DASHA: LET'S GET TO THE HEART OF
[00:42:10] THIS, WHICH IS THE CONFLICT WITH THE U.S. AND IRAN.
[00:42:14] WE BLEW PAST THE 60 DAY CEASEFIRE THIS WEEK AND THE
[00:42:17] PRESIDENT SAYS HE IS NOT GOING TO EXTEND IT AND ANNOUNCED A NEW
[00:42:20] ECONOMIC OPERATION. FOX NEWS SUMS IT UP, TRUMP
[00:42:23] THREATENS UNPRECEDENTED ECONOMIC
[00:42:26] CONSEQUENCES FOR ANY NATION AIDING IRAN.
[00:42:29] HE THREATENED TO BOMB OMAN IF IT
[00:42:30] GETS IN THE WAY.
[00:42:35] IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE IS
[00:42:37] ANY DEAL IN SIGHT.
[00:42:40] THE PRESIDENT SAID THEY ARE NO LONGER SPEAKING AT THE MOMENT.
[00:42:43] HE IS THREATENING TO ATTACK
[00:42:45] ANOTHER COUNTRY IN THE REGION. WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF ANY
[00:42:48] SORT OF RESOLUTION HERE?
[00:42:51] KIRSTEN: WE ARE NOT AT A RESOLUTION, BECAUSE BOTH SIDES HAVE SAID THIS IS NOT A TIME WE
[00:42:55] FEEL LIKE NEGOTIATING. WE WILL TRY TO INCREASE OUR LEVERAGE.
[00:42:57] ON THE SIDE OF WASHINGTON, WHAT THE APPROACH IS NOW IS AN
[00:43:02] ECONOMIC STRANGULATION.
[00:43:11] THAT THEY THINK WILL MAKE THE REGIME LESS ABLE PROGRESSIVELY TO FUND A REBUILD OF THEIR THREE
[00:43:14] PILLARS OF FOREIGN POLICY. NUCLEAR PROGRAM, MISSILE AND
[00:43:17] DRONE PROGRAM, AND PROXY COALITIONS. IF THOSE PROGRAMS CANNOT BE
[00:43:21] REBUILT, WASHINGTON SAYS IRAN IS NO LONGER A THREAT. AT THAT POINT ALSO, IRAN WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FUND THE SECURITY
[00:43:25] FORCES THAT KILLED THOUSANDS OF PROTESTERS IN JANUARY WHO WERE PROTESTING THE STATE OF THE
[00:43:27] ECONOMY.
[00:43:33] WASHINGTON IS BETTING THAT OVER
[00:43:35] TIME, ONE OF TWO THINGS WILL
[00:43:38] HAPPEN.
[00:43:41] EITHER THE REGIME, HOPING TO SURVIVE, BECOMES MORE WILLING TO SIGN A DEAL PROMISING NOT TO
[00:43:45] PURSUE THOSE PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PURSUE THEM ANYWAY.
[00:43:49] THEY WON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT. AND THEY WILL BE WILLING TO SIGN IN EXCHANGE FOR ECONOMIC RELIEF.
[00:43:53] OR THE SECURITY SERVICES THAT CAME OUT AGAINST THOSE PROTESTERS AND WERE RESPONSIBLE
[00:43:57] FOR THE MURDERS WILL STOP PROTECTING THE REGIME. THEY WON'T BE PAID, WON'T SHOW
[00:43:59] UP FOR WORK, AND RENEWED PUBLIC
[00:44:01] PROTEST, SHOULD IT ARISE, WILL
[00:44:04] HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO OVERTHROW
[00:44:06] THE REGIME.
[00:44:08] THAT'S WHY THE APPROACH IS
[00:44:11] ECONOMIC THIS WAY.
[00:44:14] YOU ALSO SAW PRECEDENT IN 1988.
[00:44:17] THE U.S., THERE WAS SUCCESS AGAINST IRAN.
[00:44:20] THAT WAS THE POINT YOU PROBABLY HEARD THE FAMOUS QUOTE ABOUT THE
[00:44:23] FIRST SUPREME LEADER SAYING HE HAD TO DRINK FROM A POISONED
[00:44:26] CHALICE. THAT CAME AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF
[00:44:30] WAR. BUT THE REAL SUBSTRATE TO IT WAS
[00:44:33] ECONOMIC EXHAUSTION. AND THEN THERE WAS THE DEPLETION
[00:44:36] OF THE NAVY. SO YOU HAVE SEEN BOTH OF THOSE MOVES.
[00:44:40] THE NAVY IS ALREADY GONE AND NOW THE ECONOMIC EXHAUSTION IS THE PIECE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
[00:44:44] IF THERE IS ANY HISTORICAL PRECEDENT, THAT IS THE ONE WHERE
[00:44:47] IRAN WAS WILLING TO MAKE CONCESSIONS.
[00:44:51] THE UNITED NATIONS PASSED A
[00:44:53] SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION AND
[00:44:55] THINGS WERE QUIET FOR A BIT OF
[00:44:57] TIME. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING WE
[00:45:00] ARE NOT GOING TO GO BACK TO STRIKES RIGHT NOW.
[00:45:03] DOMESTIC COSTS, NATIONAL
[00:45:05] SECURITY ISSUES, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS TYPE
[00:45:09] OF ECONOMIC SQUEEZE CAN BRING ABOUT THE SAME KIND OF RESULTS WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF
[00:45:13] EITHER THE REGIME MAKING A DEAL OR THE REGIME BEING VULNERABLE. DASHA: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE
[00:45:17] ORDER OF OPERATIONS?
[00:45:18] THIS STARTED WITH A MILITARY
[00:45:22] PRESSURE CAMPAIGN. BUT THE ADMINISTRATION IS HOPING
[00:45:27] THEY CAN FINISH THE JOB WITH ECONOMIC PRESSURE.
[00:45:30] COULD THAT WORK?
[00:45:34] NAYYERA: IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT U.S. POLICY FOR DEMOCRATIC AND
[00:45:37] REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS TO PUT ECONOMIC PRESSURE ON IRAN. IT'S NOT NEW THAT IRAN HAS BEEN
[00:45:41] CONSTRAINED FROM BANKING AND
[00:45:42] TRADING ON THE WORLD STAGE, BUT
[00:45:46] THAT ULTIMATELY. .
[00:45:49] THE PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED WATER SHORTAGES, ELECTRICITY
[00:45:53] SHORTAGES.
[00:45:58] THIS IS PART OF THE STORY OF THE
[00:46:01] U.S.-IRAN DYNAMIC.
[00:46:05] WHAT RARELY HAS CHANGED IS, ONE,
[00:46:08] THE UNILATERAL ACTION BEHIND THE PRESIDENT TO TARGET AND STRIKE
[00:46:11] IRAN WITHOUT COORDINATION OF ALLIES AND ENSURING CONSISTENT LONG-TERM SUPPORT.
[00:46:15] REMEMBER, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OVER WEEKS AGO. AS ANY OF US WHO HAVE WORKED WITH FOREIGN POLICY AND THE MILITARY, IT IS NOT AS QUICK AS
[00:46:19] RHETORICALLY PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO SAY IT IS. WE ARE NOW IN THIS REGION BOGGED
[00:46:22] DOWN WITH OUR NAVY DEPLOYMENTS
[00:46:24] BECOMING RECORD NUMBERS AND IT
[00:46:26] IS HAVING A SERIOUS IMPACT ON
[00:46:30] NOT ONLY MENTAL HEALTH ABOUT THE PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES OF OUR
[00:46:33] NAVY.
[00:46:37] THE USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN HAS BEEN OF CONCERN TO NAVAL OFFICERS AS
[00:46:40] WELL AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. THERE IS A REALITY OF WHAT THE
[00:46:43] UNITED STATES NOW HAS TO DO AND
[00:46:49] IS PAYING A PRICE FOR, THE UNILATERAL ACTION TO ATTACK IRAN. AND HOW THAT CONNECTS TO THE
[00:46:52] ECONOMIC SANCTIONS IS KEY.
[00:46:56] BECAUSE THE IRANIAN COUNCIL, THE
[00:46:58] REVOLUTIONARY COUNCIL, AND THE NEW AYATOLLAH AND THE NATIONAL
[00:47:01] GUARD, THESE THREE DIFFERENT
[00:47:02] FORCES THAT HAVE BEEN AT PLAY,
[00:47:06] THAT CONTROL IRAN AS PART OF THE
[00:47:08] REGIME, THEY HAVE BECOME YOUNGER
[00:47:11] BECAUSE OF THE KILLINGS OF THEIR
[00:47:14] ELDERS. BUT THEY HAVE ALSO BECOME MORE RADICALIZED AND MORE COMMITTED
[00:47:18] AND MORE TIGHTLY KNIT.
[00:47:20] SO THIS IS A REGIME THAT ALREADY
[00:47:23] DIDN'T REALLY CARE IF THEY
[00:47:26] -- IF THEIR PEOPLE SUFFERED.
[00:47:31] BUT THE OLD GUARD AT LEAST HAD A SENSE THAT THEY WERE CONSTANTLY
[00:47:33] FIGHTING AGAINST THIS IDEA OF MAYBE THE PEOPLE WILL UPRISE OR DEMOCRACY WILL TAKE OVER.
[00:47:37] THIS YOUNGER GENERATION OF LEADERS, AGAIN, MORE TIGHTLY KNIT, MORE COMMITTED TO THE
[00:47:40] CAUSE, HAS NO BACKDROP, NO EXPERIENCE WITH A FREE IRAN OR
[00:47:43] EVEN THE IDEA OF AN IRAN THAT WAS INTEGRATED WITH THE WEST.
[00:47:47] SO THEY ARE PLAYING AN ENTIRELY
[00:47:52] DIFFERENT BALLGAME.
[00:47:57] AND THE FACT IS THEY ARE PLAYING
[00:47:58] THAT BALLGAME WITH CHEAP DRONES.
[00:48:02] THEY ARE PLAYING IT WITH THE ABILITY TO ATTACK U.S. DIGITAL
[00:48:06] INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S CHEAP, THAT IS NOT HUMAN COSTLY. SO THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN
[00:48:10] INCENTIVE IN THEIR WORLDVIEW, TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
[00:48:12] THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SO FAR.
[00:48:15] DASHA: TO THAT POINT, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS REPORTING FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
[00:48:19] IRAN'S SECRET PLAN TO ESCALATE THE WAR.
[00:48:23] INTERCEPTED COMMUNICATIONS SUGGEST A STRATEGIC SHIFT BY HARD-LINE LEADERS TO RAISE THE
[00:48:27] COST FOR THE U.S. AND REGIONAL
[00:48:28] ALLIES.
[00:48:31] KIRSTEN, HOW BIG OF A CONCERN IS
[00:48:34] THIS?
[00:48:37] IS IRAN TRYING TO WAIT OUT THE U.S. AT THIS POINT AND MAKE IT AS PAINFUL AS POSSIBLE?
[00:48:40] KIRSTEN: YES, IT'S ALWAYS A
[00:48:46] CONCERN IN ANY CONFLICT, YOU GET
[00:48:49] THREATS LIKE THAT AND THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
[00:48:53] IRAN REALLY EXCELS AT ASYMMETRIC
[00:48:55] WARFARE AND ASYMMETRIC THREATS. THEY HAVE BEEN KNOWN
[00:48:59] HISTORICALLY FOR STRIKING OUTSIDE OF THEIR TERRITORY AS FAR AWAY AS LATIN AMERICA,
[00:49:03] EUROPE, EVEN PLOTS IN D.C. WHEN THEY THREATENED TO HIT A U.S. BASE IN EUROPE, EUROPEANS
[00:49:07] TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, WASHINGTON TAKES IT SERIOUSLY. BUT IT REALLY IS THEM SIGNALING
[00:49:11] THAT THEY STILL HAVE TOOLS IN THEIR QUIVER. THEY STILL HAVE ARROWS THEY CAN FIRE.
[00:49:15] NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY ARE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION. SO TO NAYYERA'S POINT, THIS IS A
[00:49:18] NEW BRAND OF LEADERSHIP, BUT THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY YOUNGER. ALL OF THE LEADERSHIP IN PLACE
[00:49:22] RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE ALMOST ALL
[00:49:24] VETERANS OF THE 1979 REVOLUTION,
[00:49:28] EVEN THE BRAND-NEW SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE SUPREME NATIONAL
[00:49:31] SECURITY COUNCIL, WHO HAS JUST
[00:49:33] NAMED ON AUGUST 9 AHEAD OF THE
[00:49:35] IRGC. THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS YOUNG AND
[00:49:38] NEW IS THE SUPREME LEADER WE HAVE NOT SEEN, AND EVEN IF HE IS
[00:49:41] ALIVE, ALL THE INFORMATION HE IS RECEIVING ABOUT THE OUTSIDE
[00:49:46] WORLD, BECAUSE HE IS STAYING OFF THE GRID IF HE IS ALIVE, IS FROM THESE LEADERS.
[00:49:49] THE ONLY INTERPRETATION OF THIS
[00:49:52] CONFLICT IS COMING FROM AN OLD SCHOOL, HARDLINE IRGC MEMBERS.
[00:49:55] THE NEW SUPREME NATIONAL
[00:49:56] SECURITY COUNCIL GENERAL LED THE
[00:49:59] IRGC FROM 1981 TO 1987. THAT IS NOT SIGNIFICANT IN TIME
[00:50:03] IN THE SADDLE.
[00:50:07] WHEN THESE GENTLEMEN ARE MAKING
[00:50:09] THE DECISIONS, IT IS NOT THAT
[00:50:12] MUCH OF A DIFFERENTIATION FROM
[00:50:17] WHAT WE SAW BEFORE. THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY ARE NOT
[00:50:20] MAKING IT WITH THE SUPREME LEADER, POTENTIALLY HIS
[00:50:24] OVERSIGHT. THEY ARE EITHER DOING A WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S WITH THE NEW SUPREME
[00:50:29] LEADER OR IMPOSING ON HIM WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE OUTSIDE WORLD, OUTSIDE THE BUNKER HE IS
[00:50:33] SITTING IN. NAYYERA: THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT? ECONOMIC SANCTIONS HAVE BEEN THE
[00:50:37] POLICY.
[00:50:38] MAGICALLY WISHING AN IRANIAN
[00:50:42] REVOLUTION BY THE PEOPLE FOR DEMOCRACY.
[00:50:46] TRUMP, WHEN HE LAUNCHED STRIKES,
[00:50:48] SAID THIS IS THE MOMENT FOR THE
[00:50:51] PEOPLE TO RISE UP. THERE IS NO FOLLOW-THROUGH.
[00:50:55] THE UNITED STATES HAS KNOWN IN LATIN AMERICA HOW TO INSTALL
[00:50:58] PEOPLE IN PLACE. HOW TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE
[00:51:02] DEMOCRACY MOVEMENTS AND INTEGRATE OUR INTELLIGENCE
[00:51:05] SERVICES, OUR MILITARY, AND OUR DIPLOMATS.
[00:51:09] BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT HAPPEN THIS TIME IN IRAN. EFFECTIVELY THEN, NOTHING HAS
[00:51:13] CHANGED IN THE IRANIAN
[00:51:14] CALCULATION.
[00:51:17] THE PEOPLE ARE STILL SUFFERING. THE REGIME IS STILL TERRIBLE.
[00:51:20] THE CHANGE IS THAT NOW THE
[00:51:22] UNITED STATES IS DEEPLY COMMITTED, PHYSICALLY,
[00:51:26] MILITARILY, FINANCIALLY IN A WAY
[00:51:28] THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR OUR
[00:51:31] COUNTRY, AND IRAN KNOWS THIS. DASHA: I WANT TO TAKE A LISTEN
[00:51:34] VERY QUICKLY.
[00:51:36] THIS HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
[00:51:39] FLORIDA REPUBLICAN SENATOR RICK SCOTT MADE AN ARGUMENT THIS WEEK
[00:51:42] THAT I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF REPUBLICAN SOURCES THAT THE
[00:51:46] PRESIDENT WILL LIKELY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO RESUME KINETIC ACTION.
[00:51:50] RESUME WARFARE WITH IRAN. TAKE A LISTEN.
[00:51:54] SEN. SCOTT: HE HAS GIVEN DIPLOMACY A CHANCE.
[00:51:57] IRAN HAS WALKED AWAY FROM IT. AT SOME POINT HE WILL NOT HAVE A
[00:52:01] CHOICE BUT TO DO MORE TO DESTROY THEIR ABILITY TO PRODUCE WEAPONS.
[00:52:05] THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PRESIDENT. >> WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT IS
[00:52:09] THAT HE WILL TAKE ACTION NEXT?
[00:52:12] SEN. SCOTT: I THINK PROBABLY I WOULD GUESS IT WILL BE IN THE
[00:52:16] NEXT 30 DAYS OR SO. BUT WHO KNOWS?
[00:52:20] THE PRESIDENT HAS A LOT BETTER INFORMATION THAN I DO. HE'S GOING TO DO EVERYTHING HE
[00:52:24] CAN WITH DIPLOMACY BUT DO I
[00:52:27] BELIEVE THIS REGIME IS GOING TO CHANGE? NO, I DON'T.
[00:52:31] DASHA: KIRSTEN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT ASSESSMENT? DO YOU THINK A RESTARTING OF
[00:52:34] WARFARE IS INEVITABLE HERE? KIRSTEN: I DON'T THINK IT'S
[00:52:37] INEVITABLE. I DO AGREE THE REGIME IS NOT
[00:52:40] GOING TO CHANGE. THAT'S ONE OF ITS
[00:52:43] CHARACTERISTICS. WE HAVE NOT TRIED FULL
[00:52:47] ENFORCEMENT OF SANCTIONS. UNDER THE LAST ADMINISTRATION,
[00:52:50] THEY WERE NOT ENFORCED BECAUSE OF OTHER PRIORITIES.
[00:52:53] THE ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING TO
[00:52:56] MAKE A DELIBERATE CHOICE TO
[00:52:58] REOPEN NUCLEAR NEGOTIATIONS.
[00:53:00] AND WE SAW IRAN HAVING A $42
[00:53:03] BILLION OIL REVENUE BY THE END OF THAT ADMINISTRATION.
[00:53:07] ROUGHLY THE LAST TWO YEARS OF IT. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS
[00:53:11] CONTINUED TO ROLL THEM OUT. THIS KIND OF ENFORCEMENT OF A NAVAL BLOCKADE TO CUT DOWN ON THE SANCTION EVASION IS REALLY
[00:53:15] THE DIFFERENCE. WHILE WE DON'T THINK THE REGIME
[00:53:18] IS GOING TO CHANGE ITS CHARACTER, AND MAY NOT CHANGE
[00:53:21] ITS POLITICAL STRATEGY EITHER -- I'M NOT IMPLYING THAT AT ALL --
[00:53:24] IT MAY BE THAT THIS CREATES CONDITIONS WHERE ITS CHOICES ARE
[00:53:27] NOT AS RELEVANT. IF THE SECURITY FORCES DO NOT
[00:53:31] SHOW UP. IF THERE IS SIMPLY NO FUNDING TO
[00:53:34] KEEP THE LIGHTS ON OR PROVIDE FUNDING TO BUY ARMS SUPPLIES, TO PRODUCE WEAPONS, TO FUND THE
[00:53:38] MILITIAS, THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE
[00:53:42] CHOICES THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY HAD.
[00:53:45] SO EITHER THEY MAKE THAT CONCESSION AND THEY AGREE TO A DEAL OR THEY FIND THEMSELVES OUT
[00:53:49] OF A JOB.
[00:53:51] THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THERE. IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE
[00:53:55] HAVE SEEN BEFORE.
[00:53:59] IT MAY PREVENT THE PRESIDENT FROM HAVING TO RESTART MILITARY STRIKES ON A WHOLE SCALE LEVEL.
[00:54:02] IT IS ONE THING TO DO STRIKES
[00:54:04] AGAINST SOME OF THE COASTAL
[00:54:08] RESOURCES THAT ARE ALLOWING IRAN
[00:54:10] TO HIT SHIPS, IF WE SEE MORE
[00:54:13] LAUNCHERS EMERGE FROM THE PLACES WHERE THEY ARE BEING HIT.
[00:54:16] AND IF WE SEE MORE MISSILES BEING SHIPPED TO THE COAST.
[00:54:19] THE NAVY CAN TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS, AND THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THINGS FARTHER INLAND AS WELL
[00:54:23] BUT MIGHT NOT PREFER TO BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL CIVILIAN ISSUES.
[00:54:25] WE HAVE NOT REALLY SEEN THAT. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE DIMINISHED U.S. STOCKPILES BUT WHAT THEY DO
[00:54:30] NOT TALK ABOUT AS MUCH IS THE VOLUME OF IRANIAN STRIKES ON
[00:54:33] SHIPS OR ANYONE ELSE HAS REDUCED OVER 90% SINCE THE BEGINNING OF
[00:54:37] THE WAR. SO CERTAINLY THE STOCKPILE ISSUE
[00:54:40] IS RELEVANT ON BOTH SIDES. IF THE PRESIDENT CAN PREVENT HAVING TO GO BACK IN MILITARILY
[00:54:44] ON A LARGE SCALE, I BELIEVE THAT
[00:54:46] IS THE CHOICE THIS
[00:54:49] ADMINISTRATION WILL MAKE. THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE NAVAL
[00:54:52] BLOCKADE FROM OCCASIONALLY
[00:54:55] RESPONDING TO FIRE THAT MAY COME FROM IRAN'S IRGC AND COASTAL
[00:54:58] BASES. DASHA: NAYYERA, ARE WE HEADED
[00:55:02] TOWARD KINETIC ACTION ULTIMATELY
[00:55:04] AGAIN?
[00:55:10] NAYYERA: YEAH, THE UNITED STATES
[00:55:12] DEFINITELY HAS A POINT OF LEVERAGE RIGHT NOW.
[00:55:16] THE QUESTION IS THE TRUMP
[00:55:19] VARIABLE. THAT IS ALWAYS A QUESTION.
[00:55:23] WE CAN MAKE RATIONAL ARGUMENTS
[00:55:25] ABOUT WHAT ONE ACTION BY THE U.S., HOW THAT IMPACTS THE
[00:55:29] REGIME OR DOESN'T. THIS IS WHY THIS MAKES SENSE STRATEGICALLY AS A POLICY AND A
[00:55:33] SET OF BEHAVIORS THAT COMBINE OUR MILITARY AND DIPLOMATIC
[00:55:37] TOOLKIT.
[00:55:39] AT THE END OF THE DAY, TRUMP IS
[00:55:43] THE ONE WHO GETS TO PLAY WITH THAT AND HE HAS BEEN TREATING IT LIKE TOYS. DOES HE HAVE THE PATIENCE TO
[00:55:47] ACTUALLY USE THIS LEVERAGE FOR A SETTLEMENT? I REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ WAS NOT BLOCKED
[00:55:50] IN ANY WAY PRIOR TO TRUMP'S
[00:55:53] ATTACKS ON IRAN.
[00:55:56] ALL OF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE NAVAL BLOCKADE WORKING RIGHT
[00:56:00] NOW, BUT IT IS THERE BECAUSE THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ BECAME A POINT
[00:56:04] OF LEVERAGE IN RESPONSE TO UNITED STATES AGGRESSION.
[00:56:07] THESE ARE PROBLEMS OF TRUMP'S
[00:56:11] OWN CREATION. THERE ARE A WHOLE HOST OF
[00:56:14] PROBLEMS OF IRAN'S CREATION, BUT TRUMP'S RESPONSES HAVE NOT
[00:56:17] SOLVED FOR THEM. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WITH THOSE
[00:56:19] OF US WHO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY AND CONTEXT AND THEORY.
[00:56:22] WE HAVE A PRESIDENT IN CHARGE
[00:56:24] RIGHT NOW WHO THAT IS NOT WHAT
[00:56:27] HE THINKS ABOUT. THE PSYCHOLOGY IS WHAT FEELS
[00:56:29] GOOD RIGHT NOW AND WHAT MAKES HIM FEEL LIKE HE IS BEING STRONG AND IN CHARGE?
[00:56:34] AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS A VERY VOLATILE AND DANGEROUS
[00:56:37] SITUATION FOR THE UNITED STATES. DASHA: WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF
[00:56:41] MINUTES LEFT, BUT THE PRESIDENT
[00:56:43] KEEPS TALKING ABOUT THIS IDEA ABOUT THE UNITED STATES ANNEXING
[00:56:46] THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. IS THAT A REAL IDEA, A REAL
[00:56:50] POSSIBILITY?
[00:56:52] IS THIS HIM NEGOTIATING?
[00:56:54] HE HAS BEEN POSTING THIS MAP ON TRUTH SOCIAL.
[00:56:57] WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?
[00:57:00] KIRSTEN: I THINK IT'S A CALL TO ACTION BY PARTNERS WHERE HE IS
[00:57:04] SAYING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO
[00:57:06] EXPECT US TO BE SOLELY
[00:57:08] RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING SHIPPING AND CARGO THROUGH THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, WE WILL REAP
[00:57:13] SOME BENEFIT FROM IT. WE DON'T PROVIDE THE SERVICE COMPLETELY FOR FREE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE FAR
[00:57:17] LESS DEPENDENCE ON THAT STRAIT THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD.
[00:57:20] IF YOU DON'T WANT US TO GO THIS ROUTE AND LEVY OUR OWN TARIFFS
[00:57:23] OR WHAT HAVE YOU, LET'S SEE YOU PITCH IN A BIT.
[00:57:26] LET'S SEE THIS ESCORT MISSION THAT EUROPE HAS BEEN TALKING
[00:57:30] ABOUT. LET'S SEE OMAN MAYBE NOT QUITE
[00:57:34] SO DOWN THE CENTER WITH IRAN ON
[00:57:35] THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FEE
[00:57:40] STRUCTURES. LET'S SEE THE U.N. GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED. LET'S SEE PEOPLE TALK TO THE IMO.
[00:57:44] I THINK IT IS A CALL TO ACTION MORE THAN A REAL PLAN. I HAVE NOT SEEN SUCH A REAL
[00:57:48] PLAN. DASHA: THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE
[00:57:52] HAVE. NAYYERA HAQ, FORMER SENIOR DIRECTOR OF CABINET AFFAIRS
[00:57:54] DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. KIRSTEN FONTENROSE, FORMER
[00:57:58] SENIOR DIRECTOR FOR GULF AFFAIRS DURING THE FIRST TRUMP
[00:58:01] ADMINISTRATION. WE APPRECIATE YOU BOTH.
[00:58:05] WE WILL CLOSE THIS WEEK WITH OUR CEASEFIRE MOMENT OF THE WEEK, HIGHLIGHTING WHAT IS POSSIBLE
[00:58:09] WHEN POLITICIANS WORK TOGETHER. A MINNESOTA LAW TOOK EFFECT THIS
[00:58:12] MONTH THAT MAKES IMPERSONATING A POLICE OFFICER A FELONY.
[00:58:15] DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IN MINNESOTA PASSED LEGISLATION TO
[00:58:18] HONOR THE LATE STATE HOUSE SPEAKER MELISSA HORTMAN AND HER
[00:58:22] HUSBAND MARC, WHO WERE KILLED IN A POLITICALLY MOTIVATED SHOOTING
[00:58:26] LAST YEAR BY A MAN IMPERSONATING A POLICE OFFICER.
[00:58:30] REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT STATE REPRESENTATIVES SPOKE ABOUT THE
[00:58:33] BIPARTISAN WORK THAT WENT INTO
[00:58:35] THE LAW. >> THE SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION AND
[00:58:39] THE PEACE OFFICERS SIGNED OFF PRETTY QUICKLY ON MASKS FOR
[00:58:43] IMITATING AN OFFICER. >> THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
[00:58:47] THEY CAME TOGETHER AND SAID WE NEED TO DO THESE THINGS TO MAKE
[00:58:51] SURE PEOPLE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRUST.
[00:58:55] I THINK IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF
[00:58:57] WORK.
[00:58:59] SOME PEOPLE HAD SOME ANGST BUT IT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE ABLE TO
[00:59:02] COME TOGETHER TO FIGURE THAT OUT. >> THAT BILL HAD A COUPLE OF
[00:59:05] AMENDMENTS THAT HAD TO HAPPEN
[00:59:08] BEFORE IT CAME OUT OF A COMMITTEE BEFORE IT HIT THE
[00:59:12] FLOOR. I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE
[00:59:15] BIPARTISAN NATURE OF THE WORK THAT WE DO ON THAT PARTICULAR
[00:59:19] BILL WAS REALLY GOOD AND SHOWED MINNESOTANS THAT NOT ONLY WERE
[00:59:23] THE HORTMANS ATTACKED AND THE HOFFMANS, BUT MINNESOTA WAS AS
[00:59:26] WELL. THIS BILL AND STEP THAT WE MADE
[00:59:29] TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO IMPERSONATE A PEACE OFFICER WAS A VERY IMPORTANT THING WE DID TO
[00:59:33] MAKE SURE THAT MINNESOTANS KNEW WE WOULD NOT PUT UP WITH THAT. DASHA: LEGISLATORS IN MINNESOTA HAVE ALSO PROPOSED A STATE PARK
[00:59:37] NAMED IN MELISSA AND MARK HORTMAN'S HONOR.
[00:59:40] THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR THIS EPISODE.
[00:59:43] NEXT WEEK, A FORMER NORTH DAKOTA DEMOCRATIC SENATOR AND FORMER
[00:59:47] REPUBLICAN NEW HAMPSHIRE GOVERNOR CHRIS SUNUNU WILL JOIN US. THIS SHOW IS ALSO AVAILABLE AS A PODCAST.
[00:59:51] FIND US IN ALL THE USUAL PLACES. I'M DASHA BURNS.
[00:59:53] AND REMEMBER, WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREE, KEEP TALKING AND KEEP
[00:59:57] LISTENING.
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