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[00:00:00] AGREEMENT.
[00:00:01] IT TOOK 10 YEARS TO FIND EVERY
[00:00:06] CACHE OF WEAPONS TO PREVENT EVERY ROBE MEMBER OF THE IRA
[00:00:09] FROM TRYING TO GO BACK AND BUY MORE WEAPONS.
[00:00:13] IT TOOK 10 YEARS BUT IT WORKED.
[00:00:17] DO I THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE THE PLAN SAYS IT WILL
[00:00:22] HAPPEN AND EVEN HAMAS ALLEGEDLY
[00:00:24] SAYS
[00:00:30] THAT IS A STILL VERY WELL ARMED
[00:00:33] HAMAS, STILL OCCUPYING TUNNELS.
[00:00:37] AND STILL BASICALLY OPPRESSING THE PEOPLE OF GAZA.
[00:00:40] SO WE GOT TO START THE PROCESS THAT IS WHAT THIS PLAN LAYS OUT.
[00:00:44] MICHAEL: LET'S TALK CHINA FOR A MOMENT.
[00:00:48] OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES, THE APPROACH OF THE UNITED
[00:00:52] STATES HAS BEEN TO URGE CHINA TO BECOME MORE OPEN, MORE MARKET-BASED.
[00:00:56] TO GET RID OF A LOT OF THE SUBSIDIES.
[00:01:00] TO BECOME A BETTER CITIZEN WHEN
[00:01:04] IT COMES TO INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC POLICY.
[00:01:08] THEY ARE DEVELOPING A HUGE AMOUNT OF EXCESS CAPACITY.
[00:01:12] THEY ARE EXPORTING IT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD. IT IS HURTING MANUFACTURING EVERYWHERE. WHERE DO YOU SEE THE
[00:01:15] RELATIONSHIP GOING?
[00:01:16] WE HAVE A SECOND SUMMIT OF THE
[00:01:20] YEAR COMING UP IN PERHAPS A MONTH'S TIME.
[00:01:23] HOW SHOULD WE MANAGE THIS GOING
[00:01:25] FORWARD?
[00:01:29] SEC. CLINTON: YOU ARE THE REALLY
[00:01:31] EXPERT ON THIS AND YOU JUST WROTE A LONG, THOUGHTFUL PIECE
[00:01:34] ON IT.
[00:01:37] IN SUMMARY, AS YOU JUST SAID,
[00:01:42] CHINA HAS AS DOMINANT A POSITION
[00:01:48] IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY AS THE U.S. DID AFTER WORLD WAR II. THE U.S. HAS DEPOSITIONS IN PART
[00:01:52] BECAUSE EUROPE WAS IN RUINS.
[00:01:56] JAPAN WAS IN RUINS. THE REST OF THE WORLD WAS
[00:02:00] DEVASTATED AND ALL KINDS OF WAYS FROM THE HORRORS OF WORLD WAR II.
[00:02:04] SO THE UNITED STATES WAS PREEMINENT ECONOMICALLY AS WELL
[00:02:06] AS MILITARILY.
[00:02:08] CHINA HAS THAT POSITION IN PART
[00:02:11] BECAUSE OF ITS RATHER REMARKABLE
[00:02:13] ECONOMIC MODELS GROWTH. NOW IT IS LIKE THE APPRENTICE.
[00:02:17] THE SORCERER'S APPRENTICE. IT CANNOT TURN OFF ITS
[00:02:21] OVERCAPACITY.
[00:02:27] IT IS ABSOLUTELY DOMINATING THE
[00:02:29] WORLD'S EXPORT MARKETS TO THE
[00:02:32] POINT THAT AS YOU POINT OUT IN YOUR ARTICLE IT RAISES SERIOUS
[00:02:36] QUESTIONS ON WHETHER NATIONS
[00:02:40] WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT IS
[00:02:43] -- TO COMPETE AT ALL. THE ELECTRONIC VEHICLE AND
[00:02:47] AUTOMOTIVE SECTOR OF CHINA IS
[00:02:49] JUST SWAMPING EUROPE, AND IT EUROPE DOESN'T TAKE
[00:02:52] PROTECTIONIST MEASURES THEY , COULD LOSE THEIR AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURING CAPACITY.
[00:02:57] THEY ARE IN A RACE FOR
[00:03:00] TECHNOLOGICAL SUPERIORITY OVER US.
[00:03:03] WE HAVE TO COMPETE.
[00:03:07] BUT WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?
[00:03:09] PART OF IT IS, AND THIS IS WHAT I FIND SO FASCINATING.
[00:03:13] IT BETRAYS A FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL
[00:03:15] OF INSECURITY. BY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT,
[00:03:19] INCLUDING PRESIDENT XI.
[00:03:26] IT HAPPENS IN LARGE MEASURE BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT STIMULATE
[00:03:30] DOMESTIC DEMAND. THEY WILL NOT CREATE SOCIAL
[00:03:34] PROGRAMS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR KEEPING THE FAST AGING
[00:03:38] POPULATION OF CHINA BEING IMPOVERISHED BECAUSE THEY WILL
[00:03:43] NOT HAVE PENSIONS OR SOCIAL SECURITY. OR GUARANTEED HEALTH CARE.
[00:03:47] THERE IS NO SOCIAL SPENDING IS
[00:03:50] -- BY THE GOVERNMENT EQUIVALENT
[00:03:53] TO WHAT THE NEED IS AN THERE IS
[00:03:54] NO COMMITMENT TO STIMULATING
[00:03:58] CONSUMER DEMAND AMONG THE POPULATION. THEY ONLY KNOW HOW TO KEEP
[00:04:04] GENERATING MORE OUTPUT FOR AN
[00:04:07] -- IN ORDER TO EXPORT.
[00:04:10] THAT IS THEIR MODEL, AND THEY ARE WEDDED TO IT. WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS IN THE U.S.
[00:04:14] BUT THEY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM AS WELL.
[00:04:17] THEIR BIG PROBLEM CAN CAUSE BIG
[00:04:18] PROBLEMS TO THE REST OF US.
[00:04:24] RIGHT NOW I THINK WHAT WE NEED
[00:04:27] IS A VERY STEADY, SOBER LEADERSHIP WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE
[00:04:30] FROM THE TOP IN OUR GOVERNMENT.
[00:04:33] THERE ARE PEOPLE WITHIN AGENCIES AND IN DECISION-MAKING POSITIONS
[00:04:37] THAT UNDERSTAND THIS.
[00:04:40] YOU NEED TO ENGAGE WITH THE
[00:04:43] CHINESE IN A VERY PATIENT AND CONSISTENT MANNER.
[00:04:47] IF YOU ARE GOING TO MOVE THEM. AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AN
[00:04:50] ARGUMENT ABOUT WHY THEY SHOULD
[00:04:58] ADJUST THEIR ECONOMIC MODEL. FOR THEIR OWN GOOD AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE WORLD.
[00:05:01] WE ARE NOT MAKING THAT ARGUMENT.
[00:05:06] IT WOULD REQUIRE A BUNCH OF THINGS.
[00:05:09] WE SHOULD BE DOING GLOBAL
[00:05:14] EFFORTS ON HOW TO GOVERN AI.
[00:05:17] HOW TO DEAL WITH OVERSUPPLY AND
[00:05:19] OVER EXPORTING OUT OF CHINA AND
[00:05:22] HOW COUNTRIES CAN BETTER MANAGE
[00:05:25] AND DEFEND AGAINST THAT. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE SHOULD BE PUTTING ON THE
[00:05:29] INTERNATIONAL AGENDA BUT THAT IS
[00:05:36] NOT HOW TRUMP THINKS. THAT IS NOT HOW HE WORKS. SO I DID NOT KNOW WHAT WE WILL
[00:05:39] SEE COME OUT OF THE SECOND
[00:05:43] SUMMIT THAT WILL BE USEFUL FOR US AND THAT WILL SEND THE RIGHT SIGNAL TO THE CHINESE.
[00:05:46] I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR YEARS.
[00:05:50] MICHAEL: NOBODY CAME HERE TO SEE
[00:05:51] MY VIEWS ON THE MATTER.
[00:05:55] SECRETARY CLINTON: GIVE IT A MINUTE OR TWO.
[00:05:59] >> I AGREE WITH YOU. THEY HAVE A MODEL THAT IS VERY MUCH WORKING.
[00:06:01] BUT AT SOME POINT THEY WILL RUN
[00:06:03] OUT OF CUSTOMERS.
[00:06:08] OTHER COUNTRIES WILL CLOSE THE MARKETS LIKE THE U.S. IS DOING
[00:06:11] AND THAT MAY HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL
[00:06:16] EFFECT ON THEM AND THE REST OF THE WORLD ECONOMY TOO. CHINA IS ONE OF THE FEW AREAS
[00:06:20] WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE CLOSE TO
[00:06:21] A BIPARTISAN CONSENSUS.
[00:06:26] WHERE ELSE IS THE BIPARTISAN CONSENSUS GOING?
[00:06:31] WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT COUPLE
[00:06:32] OF YEARS, IT'S UNLIKELY WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE WAY THINGS
[00:06:36] WERE BEFORE.
[00:06:38] WHERE DO YOU SEE AMERICAN
[00:06:43] FOREIGN-POLICY POLICY ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS GOING? SEC. CLINTON: I DO THINK THERE
[00:06:46] IS ACTUALLY MORE BIPARTISAN
[00:06:49] AGREEMENT ON SOME OF THESE
[00:06:50] THORNY ISSUES THEN PERHAPS WE
[00:06:54] SEE BECAUSE TRUMP SQUASHES IT. THERE STILL IS IN CONGRESS
[00:06:58] BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE.
[00:07:06] IF THE CONGRESS, I THOUGHT THE
[00:07:08] REPUBLICANS WHO KNOW BETTER AND
[00:07:11] UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AT STAKE, IF
[00:07:14] THE CONGRESS AFTER THIS MIDTERM ELECTION CAN REASSERT ITS
[00:07:18] AUTHORITY OVER FOREIGN POLICY
[00:07:23] AND OVER APPROPRIATIONS, THERE IS A LOT THAT I THINK WOULD END UP BEING BIPARTISAN.
[00:07:27] SUPPLYING UKRAINE, CONTINUING TO
[00:07:29] SUPPORT THE NATO ALLIANCE, LOOKING FOR NEW WAYS OF
[00:07:33] COOPERATING.
[00:07:36] WHEN TRUMP ATTACKS OUR ALLIANCES
[00:07:43] AND NATO, I ASK MYSELF, WHY THEN WOULD FINLAND AND SWEDEN JOINED.
[00:07:48] IF IT IS SUCH A LOSER OF AN
[00:07:49] ALLIANCE.
[00:07:52] COUNTRIES THAT ARE RIGHT IN THE TWO PATH OF RUSSIAN AGGRESSION. THEY DECIDED THEY WOULD JOIN NATO.
[00:07:56] THEY BROUGHT A LOT OF ASSETS.
[00:08:03] MILITARY, INTELLIGENCE ASSETS INTO NATO. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF BIPARTISAN UNDERSTANDING THAT IS
[00:08:06] NOT BEING ACTED ON. BECAUSE TRUMP DOESN'T WANT TO
[00:08:08] HEAR IT.
[00:08:13] IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION FOR THESE REPUBLICANS TO TAKE. I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF
[00:08:17] BIPARTISAN EFFORT TO SAVE THE
[00:08:19] DEFENSE DEPARTMENT.
[00:08:22] PETE HEGSETH IS HOLLOWING OUT THE OFFICER CORPS.
[00:08:26] HE IS SENDING THE WRONG
[00:08:27] MESSAGES.
[00:08:32] ABOUT WHAT OUR STRENGTHS ARE AND SHOULD BE.
[00:08:35] YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF BIPARTISAN
[00:08:39] SUPPORT FREE THOUGHTFUL, SMART,
[00:08:43] DELIBERATIVE POLICY TOWARD CHINA. YOU WILL CERTAINLY SEE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR SOUTH
[00:08:47] KOREA.
[00:08:51] AND FOR JAPAN WHICH IS TAKING ACTION TO ACTUALLY INCREASE ITS OWN DEFENSE SPENDING.
[00:08:55] AND TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE TO FEND OFF CHINESE AGGRESSION.
[00:08:59] YOU CAN GO DOWN THE LINE. YOU WILL CERTAINLY SEE
[00:09:02] BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR A NEW
[00:09:05] REFORM DEVELOPMENT AGENDA. HOW WILL WE DO DEVELOPMENT?
[00:09:10] WHEN I BECAME SECRETARY I SAID WE HAD THE THREE D'S OF DIPLOMACY.
[00:09:15] DEFENSE, DIPLOMACY, AND DEVELOPMENT.
[00:09:23] WE ABANDON DIPLOMACY AND DEVELOPMENT AS VERY STRONG AND IMPORTANT TOOLS FOR AMERICAN SECURITY.
[00:09:29] THERE IS A LOT OF BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE IN THE
[00:09:34] REPUBLICAN CLOAKROOM IN THE SENATE THERE IS MUCH ENTHUSIASM FOR GOING INTO A TRADE WAR WITH
[00:09:38] CANADA.
[00:09:41] YOU LOOK ACROSS OUR BORDER WITH CANADA, I WAS LOOKING AT THE
[00:09:44] PERCENTAGE OF TRADE.
[00:09:49] 40% OF OHIO'S EXPORTS GO TO CANADA. SOMETHING LIKE 60% OF MICHIGAN'S
[00:09:53] EXPORTS GO TO CANADA.
[00:09:54] I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT REPUBLICANS
[00:10:00] IN THOSE STATES ARE LITERALLY ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS
[00:10:05] NONSENSE THAT TRUMP IS PROMOTING.
[00:10:07] AND PROBABLY SECRETLY CHEERING MARK CARNEY FOR STANDING UP TO
[00:10:12] HIM AND DOING WHAT HE IS NOW DOING ON BEHALF OF HIS COUNTRY
[00:10:16] BUT ON BEHALF OF THE
[00:10:18] INTERNATIONAL MENTALITY.
[00:10:22] I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL BIPARTISANSHIP. MICHAEL: LET ME ASK ONE LAST
[00:10:25] QUESTION BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO
[00:10:28] THE AUDIENCE THAT I HOPE WILL IN
[00:10:30] -- AND ON A POSITIVE NOTE.
[00:10:36] WE LOOK AT 250 YEARS, WE SEE THE
[00:10:40] HISTORY OF POLARIZATION AND EVEN
[00:10:46] CONSTITUTIONAL CRISES. I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THE LATE 60'S AND EARLY 70'S, THE
[00:10:50] RIOTS IN THE STREET, STUDENT BEING SHOT ON CAMPUS.
[00:10:55] THE LOSS OF BLOOD AND TREASURE IN A FOREVER WAR. AND YET WE GOT THROUGH IT.
[00:10:59] THE COUNTRY GOT THROUGH IT. YOU DID A BEAUTIFUL PIECE ON
[00:11:03] ELEANOR ROOSEVELT RECENTLY AND ABOUT ALL THE CHALLENGES SHE SAW AND WORKED HER WAY THROUGH.
[00:11:08] OVER THE COURSE OF HER LIFETIME. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY, HOW OPTIMISTIC ARE YOU
[00:11:11] ABOUT THE RESILIENCE OF THE
[00:11:14] AMERICAN ECONOMY.
[00:11:16] AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.
[00:11:19] AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS AND OUR CAPACITY TO COME OUT THE OTHER
[00:11:22] END AND A GOOD POSITION. SEC. CLINTON: I'M FUNDAMENTALLY
[00:11:24] OPTIMISTIC.
[00:11:27] BUT I AM AS MY LATE FRIEND MADELEINE ALBRIGHT USED TO SAY I
[00:11:30] AM AN OPTIMIST WHO WORRIES A
[00:11:31] LOT.
[00:11:38] I'M OPTIMISTIC, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M JUST GOING TO SIT BACK AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.
[00:11:42] THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO WIN ELECTIONS AND ELECT PEOPLE TO
[00:11:44] ACT RESPONSIBLY.
[00:11:48] WHO RESPECT AMERICA, WHO BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW AND
[00:11:50] EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS UNDER THREAT TODAY.
[00:11:53] IT ALSO MEANS WE HAVE TO SUMMON
[00:11:56] THE MOST POWERFUL RESOURCES WE
[00:11:59] HAVE WHICH IS OUR CITIZENRY.
[00:12:03] PEOPLE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO SPEAK OUT TO GET INVOLVED IN
[00:12:06] THEIR COMMUNITIES.
[00:12:09] IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE FROM THE LOCAL TO THE STATE TO THE
[00:12:13] NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE PEOPLE ARE ONCE AGAIN COMING TOGETHER TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
[00:12:16] EXERCISING THE CIVIC MUSCLES. SO THAT DEMOCRACY IN ACTION IS
[00:12:20] SEEN AS PRODUCING POSITIVE
[00:12:21] RESULTS.
[00:12:24] I SEE SOME VERY BIG CHALLENGES
[00:12:26] ON THE HORIZON.
[00:12:31] WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO ADDRESS.
[00:12:34] WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT AI IS
[00:12:36] GOING TO DO TO OUR MINDS, OUR
[00:12:39] HEARTS, AND OUR LABOR MARKETS.
[00:12:42] WHAT DO WE DO TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE BENEFITS AND NOT THE DOWNSIDE?
[00:12:46] I THINK WE HAVE TO REVITALIZE OUR INSTITUTIONS.
[00:12:51] WE CAN'T GO BACK TO THE WAY WE WERE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IN THAT WORLD ANYMORE.
[00:12:54] WHAT THE INTERNET HAS DONE IS REMARKABLE ON THE UPSIDE AND
[00:12:56] DOWNSIDE. IT HAS DRIVEN PEOPLE FURTHER
[00:13:00] APART. WHILE AT THE SAME TIME CONNECTING US TO EVERYBODY.
[00:13:06] IT IS A VERY STRANGE PHENOMENON IN HUMAN HISTORY.
[00:13:09] WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
[00:13:12] MAKE IT A TOOL FOR PROMOTING
[00:13:19] INDIVIDUAL AUTONOMY AND INDIVIDUAL FLOURISHING AND DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS.
[00:13:22] AND COLLECTIVE BETTERMENT. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO
[00:13:25] THAT. SO I AM FUNDAMENTALLY
[00:13:29] OPTIMISTIC. BUT I DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE BOTH
[00:13:33] THE DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN EFFORTS
[00:13:37] TO DIVIDE AND DESTROY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE THAT
[00:13:40] SERIOUSLY.
[00:13:43] YOU SAID EARLIER THAT I
[00:13:46] NEGOTIATED WITH PUTIN AND SPENT
[00:13:47] TIME WITH HIM.
[00:13:51] HIS GOAL IS TO UNDERMINE THE WEST. IT IS NOT COMPLICATED.
[00:13:55] HE WANTS TO SEE CHAOS.
[00:13:57] HE WANTS TO SEE DIVISIVENESS.
[00:14:00] HE WANTS TO SEE DOMINANCE THAT
[00:14:03] COMES FROM HIS IDEOLOGY AND FROM A RUSSIAN NATIONALISTIC
[00:14:06] PERSPECTIVE. WE HAVE REAL ADVERSARIES IN THE
[00:14:10] WORLD TODAY AND WE HAVE ADVERSARIES IN OUR OWN COUNTRY
[00:14:14] WHO ARE UNDERMINING OUR STRENGTH
[00:14:17] AND CAPACITY TO MAKE SMART,
[00:14:19] EVIDENCE-BASED DECISIONS. BUT I THINK WE ARE STARTING TO
[00:14:23] SEE THE TIDE TURNED ON THAT.
[00:14:26] I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT WE CAN GET OUR SHIP OF STATE RIGHT IN
[00:14:30] FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE PROGRESS TOGETHER.
[00:14:33] [APPLAUSE]
[00:14:40] MICHAEL: LET ME TAKE SOME OF THE AUDIENCE QUESTIONS. I MIGHT TRY TO COMBINE SOME AS
[00:14:43] WE GO THROUGH THIS. A COUPLE HERE ON THE MIDDLE
[00:14:46] EAST. ISRAEL HAS LOST SO MUCH SUPPORT
[00:14:49] ESPECIALLY AMONG YOUNG VOTERS. SHOULD THE DEMOCRATS WE THINK
[00:14:52] THE PARTY'S EMBRACE OF ISRAEL? SEC. CLINTON: I THINK THAT IS A
[00:14:57] FAIR STATEMENT OF WHERE WE ARE. IT IS GENERATIONAL.
[00:15:00] AS MUCH AS ANYTHING.
[00:15:06] THE VERY BIG DISILLUSIONMENT.
[00:15:10] WITH WHAT YOUNG IN THE NETANYAHU
[00:15:13] GOVERNMENT.
[00:15:16] AND I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A DISTINCTION WHICH IS HARD TO
[00:15:20] DRAW BECAUSE THE WORLD TODAY, THE POLARIZED WORLD WE ARE AND,
[00:15:23] DOES NOT FAVOR COMPLEXITY OR
[00:15:29] NUANCE.
[00:15:32] IT FAVORS BINARY CHOICES. ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST?
[00:15:36] THE RIGHT ANSWER IS WE ARE
[00:15:40] AGAINST A LOT OF DECISIONS THE NETANYAHU GOVERNMENT IS MAKING AND FOR ISRAEL. I AM AGAINST A LOT OF THE
[00:15:44] DECISIONS THAT THE TRUMP
[00:15:47] ADMINISTRATION MAKES, AND I AM FOR AMERICA. DON'T GET YOURSELF CAUGHT IN A
[00:15:52] WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A FALSE CHOICE.
[00:15:55] IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO THIS DRAW THOSE DISTINCTIONS.
[00:15:58] THAT IS HOW I THINK ABOUT IT.
[00:16:02] AND HOW I ABOUT IT.
[00:16:05] BUT THERE SHOULD BE NO DOUBT IN
[00:16:07] ANYONE'S MIND HAS SERIOUSLY
[00:16:12] NETANYAHU HAS DAMAGED FIRST AND FOREMOST ISRAEL.
[00:16:16] AND SECOND, THE PERCEPTION THAT
[00:16:18] PEOPLE NOT JUST IN THE U.S. BUT
[00:16:20] AROUND THE WORLD HAVE OF ISRAEL.
[00:16:23] THAT HAS TO BE REPAIRED. THERE HAS TO BE A LOT OF WORK
[00:16:27] DONE TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF
[00:16:31] SECURITY AND FUTURE THAT IS NEEDED.
[00:16:34] PERSONALLY I KNOW A LOT OF
[00:16:38] PEOPLE, EITHER ISRAELI OR A LOT
[00:16:41] OF AMERICANS WITH FAMILIES IN ISRAEL, YOUNG PEOPLE IN ISRAEL
[00:16:45] ARE SAYING IF THIS DOES NOT CHANGE, WE ARE LEAVING.
[00:16:47] SO IT IS NOT JUST AN AMERICAN
[00:16:50] PROBLEM ABOUT WHAT NETANYAHU IN MY VIEW HAS DONE TO UNDERMINE
[00:16:53] THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
[00:17:02] MICHAEL: IS THERE A RISK THAT WE OVER PERSONALIZE IT IN NETANYAHU AND WHATEVER COMES AFTER HIM,
[00:17:05] THERE IS NOT MUCH SUPPORT IN
[00:17:08] ISRAEL FOR A TWO STATE SOLUTION
[00:17:11] FOR EXAMPLE ANYMORE. THERE IS GREAT DIVISION ON SECURING THE NORTHERN BORDER.
[00:17:15] MAKING SURE PEOPLE COULD MOVE BACK TO THE BORDER OF THE SET OF
[00:17:21] -- SIDE OF LEBANON. WHAT IS THE RISK THAT WE HAVE PUT ALL THE FOCUS ON NETANYAHU
[00:17:24] WHEN IN FACT ISRAEL HAS DIFFERENT INTERESTS THAT SOME OF
[00:17:28] THE INTEREST BEING EXPRESSED HERE THE U.S.? SEC. CLINTON: I THINK THAT IS A
[00:17:32] FAIR STATEMENT.
[00:17:36] BUT I WOULD SAY THERE ARE A LOT
[00:17:40] OF POSSIBLE ACTIONS THAT A NEW
[00:17:42] ISRAELI GOVERNMENT COULD TAKE.
[00:17:49] FOR EXAMPLE, IN -- END SETTLER
[00:17:56] VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK. IT IS WRONG AND IT IS DESTABILIZING AND IT IS ULTIMATELY DANGEROUS. NOT JUST TO PALESTINIANS BUT TO
[00:18:00] ISRAEL.
[00:18:03] FOR ME, THAT IS PART OF SOMETHING THAT ANY NEW GOVERNMENT, TO ENFORCE THE RULE
[00:18:07] OF LAW AND MAKE IT CLEAR THAT
[00:18:09] THAT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
[00:18:20] THE PEACE IN THE WEST BANK HAS HELD IN LARGE PART BECAUSE THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY FROM A
[00:18:24] PROGRAM STARTED USING YEARS AGO
[00:18:26] HAS TRAINED PALESTINIANS DAN
[00:18:31] -- SECURITY FORCES IN JORDAN AND
[00:18:36] WHEN HAMAS DID THE HORRIFIC TERRORIST ATTACK ON OCTOBER 7,
[00:18:40] THEY THOUGHT THAT HEZBOLLAH WOULD COME IN THEIR SIDE.
[00:18:44] THEY THOUGHT THE WEST BANK WOULD
[00:18:45] EXPLODE AND IT DIDN'T.
[00:18:49] THERE IS A LOT THAT COULD BE DONE BY A NEW ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.
[00:18:53] WILL THEY JUMP TO SOME KIND OF
[00:18:54] PEACE NEGOTIATION?
[00:18:58] NO, OF COURSE NOT. BUT WHEN I WAS SECRETARY OF
[00:19:01] STATE, WE HAD A SETTLEMENT
[00:19:03] FREEZE THAT I NEGOTIATED.
[00:19:06] THAT LASTED THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY
[00:19:12] NO BUILDING EITHER IN EAST , JERUSALEM OR THE WEST BANK. WE HAD A DEAL. WE KEPT IT.
[00:19:16] WHEN I WAS SECRETARY OF STATE WE
[00:19:20] WERE WORKING HARD WITH THE PRIME MINISTER OF THE PALESTINIAN
[00:19:23] AUTHORITY WHO WAS ROOTING OUT
[00:19:25] CORRUPTION AND BUILDING
[00:19:27] INSTITUTIONS THAT COULD ACTUALLY DELIVER FOR THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.
[00:19:31] IT WAS NOT SOME BIG PEACE
[00:19:32] AGREEMENT SIGNING.
[00:19:39] ON THE LAWN OF THE WHITE HOUSE, SADLY, BUT IT WAS BUILDING CREDIBILITY.
[00:19:44] IT WAS BUILDING CONFIDENCE. IT WAS A SLOW PROCESS.
[00:19:48] EVERYBODY WANTS SOMETHING TO
[00:19:52] HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. THAT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE.
[00:19:55] BUT THERE IS A LOT THAT CAN BE DONE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE 20 POINT PLAN. IT TALKS ABOUT REBUILDING GAZA.
[00:19:58] GETTING RID OF HAMAS. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT
[00:20:02] AN ISRAELI GOVERNMENT COULD DO
[00:20:05] THAT WOULD BEGIN TO DO IN MY VIEW REALLY ENHANCE THE SECURITY
[00:20:09] AND DEAL WITH THE TRAUMA AFTER
[00:20:12] OCTOBER 7 BECAUSE IT IS REAL AND IT IS DEEP.
[00:20:15] BUT ALSO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT WE ARE
[00:20:18] TURNING THE PAGE. WE WILL TRY TO DO THAT
[00:20:21] CONSISTENT WITH OUR SECURITY.
[00:20:23] WE WILL TRY TO DO MORE TO MOVE
[00:20:28] AWAY FROM THE KIND OF BEHAVIOR AND STATEMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF
[00:20:32] THE NETANYAHU GOVERNMENT. MICHAEL: LET'S TALK ABOUT
[00:20:36] POLITICS, IF YOU DON'T MIND. REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE THROUGH A
[00:20:40] MAJOR UPHEAVAL IN THEIR PARTY.
[00:20:43] A VISION BETWEEN TRADITIONAL
[00:20:51] REPUBLICANS, THE MAGA MOVEMENT, DEMOCRATS NOW SEEM TO BE GOING THROUGH A MAJOR UPHEAVAL BETWEEN
[00:20:55] CENTERLEFT AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS. WHY ARE WE SEEING THIS POLARIZATION OF THE PARTIES?
[00:20:58] WHAT DO YOU SEE FOR THE FUTURE
[00:20:59] OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY?
[00:21:03] SEC. CLINTON: I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME SIMILARITIES BUT
[00:21:06] ALSO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES.
[00:21:12] THE MAGA MOVEMENT GREW OUT OF
[00:21:15] THE TEA PARTY.
[00:21:20] AND SOME OF THE MOST RADICAL ELEMENTS OF THE REPUBLICAN
[00:21:24] PARTY, FUELED BY THE MEDIA THAT
[00:21:25] THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TURNED TO
[00:21:29] THAT BASICALLY GAVE THEM
[00:21:32] PERMISSION TO BE MORE AND MORE
[00:21:34] DIVISIVE.
[00:21:38] AND THEN TRUMP BECAME THE AVATAR FOR THAT ELEMENT AND PUT HIS OWN
[00:21:43] PERSONAL TOUCHES ON IT.
[00:21:45] I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS THAT
[00:21:49] PARTICULARLY AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE,
[00:21:52] AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO PAY
[00:21:54] MORE ATTENTION TO THEN THE LABEL
[00:22:02] OF A PERSON WHO IS RUNNING FOR OFFICE OR EVEN NOMINATED OR ELECTED. YOUNG PEOPLE FEEL THAT OUR SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING FOR THEM.
[00:22:06] AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF REASON TO
[00:22:07] FEEL THAT WAY.
[00:22:10] IT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO DO
[00:22:13] THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE
[00:22:19] IN THEIR 20'S DID. OR AT LEAST IT SEEMS TO BE AS THEY EXPERIENCE THIS.
[00:22:24] FORM LASTING RELATIONSHIPS TO
[00:22:29] START FAMILIES, TO HAVE A CHANCE TO OWN A HOUSE OR PAY THE RENT TO FEEL THAT THEIR COLLEGE
[00:22:33] , EDUCATIONS WILL PAY OFF. THIS IS REALITY. THIS IS NOT SITTING IN A BACK
[00:22:36] ROOM SOMEWHERE MAKING IT UP.
[00:22:39] THIS IS A FEELING THAT A LOT OF
[00:22:42] YOUNG AMERICANS HAVE THAT IF IT
[00:22:45] WORKED FOR MY PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, THAT IS GREAT, BUT IT IS NOT WORKING FOR US.
[00:22:49] WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO STILL LIVING
[00:22:53] AT HOME BECAUSE THEY CANNOT
[00:22:58] AFFORD NOT TO LIVE AT HOME OR
[00:22:59] THEY FEEL LIKE THEIR EDUCATION
[00:23:04] WHICH PUT THEM INTO DEBT IS NOT PAYING OFF. THEY CANNOT GET A JOB THAT HAS
[00:23:08] ANY UPWARD MOBILITY ATTACHED TO IT.
[00:23:09] WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB IN
[00:23:12] RESPONDING TO THE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, WHEN MAMDANI WAS
[00:23:16] ELECTED TO NEW YORK AND MIKIE SHERRILL WAS ELECTED TO NEW
[00:23:19] JERSEY AND ABIGAIL SPANBERGER WAS ELECTED IN VIRGINIA ON THE
[00:23:23] SAME DAY, TWO GOVERNORS AND ONE
[00:23:27] MAYOR -- EVEN THOUGH THEY CAME FROM, YOU WOULD SAY, DIFFERENT
[00:23:31] PARTS OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM, THEY WERE ALL BASICALLY SAYING THE SAME THING. WE KNOW IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR
[00:23:35] YOU TO LIVE. YOU CANNOT RENT AN APARTMENT IN NEW YORK.
[00:23:39] YOU CANNOT PAY YOUR LECTURE CITY
[00:23:42] -- YOUR ELECTRICITY BILL IN NEW JERSEY.
[00:23:45] YOU CANNOT AFFORD HEALTH CARE IN VIRGINIA. IT WAS THE SAME MESSAGE BY
[00:23:47] DIFFERENT MESSENGERS.
[00:23:51] SO, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RIGHT NOW IS, I THINK, GOING THROUGH A
[00:23:54] KIND OF EXPERIMENT, LIKE WHO CAN
[00:23:56] ACTUALLY RESPOND PARTICULARLY TO
[00:23:59] YOUNG PEOPLE'S VERY REAL
[00:24:03] CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE AT
[00:24:05] THIS POINT IN THEIR LIVES AND WHAT KIND OF FUTURE DO THEY HAVE
[00:24:08] FOR THEMSELVES? I THINK THAT IS HEALTHY.
[00:24:12] I DON'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE
[00:24:14] POSITIONS PEOPLE TAKE BUT I WANT TO SEE RESULTS.
[00:24:18] ARE YOU ACTUALLY GETTING RESULTS? IS MORE HOUSING THAT'S
[00:24:22] AFFORDABLE BEING BUILT? ARE THERE MORE CAREER PATHS? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT AI
[00:24:26] IF IT DESTROYS ENTRY-LEVEL JOBS? WHAT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE EXPECTED
[00:24:29] TO DO?
[00:24:32] THESE ARE REAL PROBLEMS AND PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
[00:24:36] ADDRESS IT.
[00:24:37] I THINK THE JURY IS OUT.
[00:24:41] I DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO
[00:24:43] HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS UNTIL WE
[00:24:48] SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MIDTERMS AND WE SEE, LET'S HOPE, A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS TRIES TO DO TO RESPOND TO THESE VERY
[00:24:52] LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.
[00:24:53] AND IF WE DON'T, PEOPLE ARE
[00:24:56] GOING TO WALK AWAY FROM DEMOCRACY. IT'S NOT WORKING FOR ME.
[00:25:00] I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. I'VE DONE EVERYTHING I WAS
[00:25:03] SUPPOSED TO DO AND IT'S NOT WORKING FOR ME. SO, WE'VE GOT TO PROVE OUR
[00:25:07] SYSTEM CAN WORK. AND THAT'S HARDER TODAY THAN IT
[00:25:11] USED TO BE BECAUSE VERY OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE PEOPLE TRYING
[00:25:15] TO PREVENT IT FROM WORKING OR TRYING TO DISTORT ITS
[00:25:19] WORKINGS.
[00:25:22] I GET VERY AMUSED WHEN I HEAR
[00:25:26] TRUMP AND HIS PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM.
[00:25:29] THE WAY HE'S BEHAVING IS SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH.
[00:25:32] IT IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS
[00:25:35] ADMINISTRATION WHEN IT COMES TO
[00:25:38] DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO
[00:25:41] AVOID RISKS AND LOSS FOR PEOPLE
[00:25:43] WHO ARE ALREADY DOING THEM.
[00:25:47] -- YOU ARE ALREADY WELL.
[00:25:52] AND TO USE THE POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT TO BENEFIT HIMSELF AND HIS CRONIES AND HIS ALLIES. AND THEN TO HAVE THE UNITED
[00:25:56] STATES GOVERNMENT TAKING STAKES IN BUSINESSES. REMEMBER HOW THEY YELLED AND
[00:25:59] SCREAMED WHEN OBAMA PROVIDED
[00:26:01] SUBSIDIES FOR SOLAR COMPANIES?
[00:26:04] WELL, ALSO, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
[00:26:07] REALLY DOING WELL RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE DOING WELL OFF THE BACKS OF THE MONEY WE INVESTED
[00:26:11] IN RESEARCH IN THIS COUNTRY. AND THEY ARE DOING WELL OFF OF
[00:26:16] SUBSIDIES.
[00:26:18] ELON MUSK COULD NOT EXIST AS A
[00:26:20] TRILLIONAIRE IF HE HAD NOT HAD SUCH GREAT SUBSIDIES FOR TESLA
[00:26:24] AND SPACEX.
[00:26:27] SO, IT IS A VERY IRONIC SITUATION FOR US TO FIND
[00:26:30] OURSELVES IN WHEN THE LEGITIMATE NEEDS, PARTICULARLY OF YOUNG
[00:26:34] PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING MET, AND
[00:26:36] EVERY POSSIBLE WISH FOR ANYTHING
[00:26:40] TO FURTHER THEIR FINANCIAL ADVANTAGE IS BEING PROVIDED FOR
[00:26:43] WELL OFF PEOPLE. AND THAT IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.
[00:26:47] [APPLAUSE]
[00:26:52] MICHAEL: SINCE YOU HAVE RAISED IT, DO YOU THINK THERE'S A ROLE FOR WHAT USED TO BE CALLED
[00:26:56] INDUSTRIAL POLICY GOING FORWARD? SEC. CLINTON: YES.
[00:26:59] I THOUGHT BIDEN DID A GOOD JOB. I THOUGHT SHIPS AND SCIENCE --
[00:27:04] CHIPS AND SCIENCE. THE IRONY IS A LOT OF THAT IS STILL MOVING FORWARD, IT HAS NOT
[00:27:08] BEEN STOPPED.
[00:27:11] I BELIEVED THERE WAS A REAL
[00:27:13] OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT, BUT IT WAS
[00:27:16] THE SLOW BORING APPROACH THAT
[00:27:18] BIDEN DID AS OPPOSED TO YOUR
[00:27:21] IPO, WE ARE TAKING 10% OF IT.
[00:27:28] THAT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL POLICY. THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE. THAT IS SOCIALISM IN A DIFFERENT NAME. YEAH, I THINK BIDEN HAD A LOT OF
[00:27:32] REALLY GOOD IDEAS THAT UNFORTUNATELY WERE NEVER REALLY
[00:27:35] SOLD.
[00:27:39] MICHAEL: BASED ON YOUR DECADES OF PUBLIC SERVICE, WHAT UNEXPECTED PUBLIC LESSON HAVE YOU LEARNED ABOUT LEADERSHIP IN
[00:27:42] AMERICAN POLITICS?
[00:27:50] [LAUGHTER] SEC. CLINTON: BOY. I HAVE LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS,
[00:27:52] AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT.
[00:27:57] I'VE LEARNED THAT YOU CAN'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON YOUR WATCH.
[00:28:00] WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE 25TH
[00:28:02] TERRIBLE ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11,
[00:28:05] AND I WAS A SENATOR FOR EIGHT
[00:28:08] MONTHS WHEN 9/11 HAPPENED.
[00:28:11] IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT ANYTHING I EVER THOUGHT ABOUT, CAMPAIGNED
[00:28:15] ON, RANGED MY STAFF AROUND RESPONDING TO.
[00:28:18] IT IS WHAT I SPENT MOST OF MY FIRST TERM DEALING WITH HERE IN
[00:28:22] THE STATE. SO, YOU HAVE TO BE AS
[00:28:26] WELL-PREPARED AS YOU CAN BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
[00:28:29] IT IS JUST UNPREDICTABLE.
[00:28:33] THAT'S PART OF LIFE, BUT ALSO PART OF LEADERSHIP.
[00:28:37] MICHAEL: DO YOU THINK -- WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE ANNIVERSARY
[00:28:40] COMING UP IN A COUPLE WEEKS --
[00:28:42] DO YOU THINK WE HAVE LEARNED THE
[00:28:45] RIGHT LESSONS FROM 9/11 AND THE WAR ON TERROR AND WHAT CAME
[00:28:48] AFTERWARDS? SEC. CLINTON: I THINK WE'VE LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS.
[00:28:52] I THINK WE MADE A LOT OF
[00:28:53] MISTAKES.
[00:28:58] AND BELIEVE, THOUGH, THAT ONE OF
[00:29:00] THE REAL LASTING MEMORIES I HAVE
[00:29:04] IS HOW UNITED OUR COUNTRY WAS,
[00:29:07] AND HOW EXTRAORDINARILY
[00:29:10] SUPPORTIVE PEOPLE WERE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY FOR WHAT WE WENT
[00:29:14] THROUGH IN NEW YORK AND THE
[00:29:17] HEROISM OF THE PASSENGERS ON THE
[00:29:21] PLANE THAT WAS BROUGHT DOWN AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT HAPPENED AT THE
[00:29:24] PENTAGON. I WILL SAY THAT IS THE LESSON
[00:29:28] THAT STICKS WITH ME.
[00:29:30] WHEN WE WANT TO BE UNITED TO WORK TOGETHER, IF WE HAVE THE
[00:29:34] RIGHT KIND OF SENSE OF COMMUNITY
[00:29:38] AND NATIONAL RESOLVE, WE CAN DO
[00:29:40] A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THINGS.
[00:29:43] TO THIS DAY, I AM VERY GRATEFUL
[00:29:48] THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND
[00:29:51] PRESIDENT BUSH PERSONALLY
[00:29:55] SUPPORTED VERY RESOLUTELY THE MONEY WE NEEDED TO REBUILD NEW YORK.
[00:29:59] THAT WAS NOT A FOREGONE CONCLUSION AT ALL.
[00:30:02] SO, WE'VE LEARNED SOME POSITIVE
[00:30:04] LESSONS, BUT I THINK ALSO WHEN
[00:30:08] YOU MAKE DECISIONS IN THE HEAT
[00:30:11] OF PAIN AND SUFFERING AND ANGER
[00:30:14] AND SURPRISE, YOU OFTEN MAKE THE WRONG DECISIONS.
[00:30:18] AND I THINK THAT'S A LESSON THAT
[00:30:21] MORE BROADLY APPLIES THEN JUST THE UNITED STATES POST 9/11. MICHAEL: TWO LAST QUESTIONS.
[00:30:25] FIRST, IN 1995, I THINK IT WAS,
[00:30:30] YOU WENT TO CHINA FOR A BIG
[00:30:33] CONFERENCE AND YOU FAMOUSLY DECLARED HUMAN RIGHTS ARE WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND WOMEN'S
[00:30:37] RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS. YOU HAVE BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE
[00:30:39] FOR WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP IN THE
[00:30:41] ADVANCEMENT OF POLITICS.
[00:30:47] YOU PUBLISH AN ARTICLE IN
[00:30:48] FOREIGN AFFAIRS MAGAZINE ABOUT
[00:30:51] THE NEXUS BETWEEN WOMEN AND
[00:30:53] DEMOCRACY, EFFECTIVELY.
[00:30:56] HOW DO YOU ASSESS THE STATUS OF
[00:30:59] WOMEN IN POLITICS TODAY?
[00:31:04] AND HOW CAN -- WHAT STEPS CAN BE TAKEN TO FUTURE PROOF THE
[00:31:07] CAPABILITY OF HAVING WOMEN AT
[00:31:10] THE TABLE TO PROTECT DEMOCRACY.
[00:31:14] SEC. CLINTON: IN THAT ARTICLE, I WAS TRYING TO SOUND AN ALARM
[00:31:16] BECAUSE I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A
[00:31:22] VERY SIGNIFICANT PUSHBACK ON THE
[00:31:26] PROGRESS WOMEN HAVE MADE IN THE LAST 30 YEARS SINCE THE BEIJING
[00:31:29] CONFERENCE.
[00:31:31] AND I THINK THERE IS A VIRULENT
[00:31:36] FORM OF MISOGYNY AND SEXISM
[00:31:39] ONLINE THAT IS GOING AFTER WOMEN WHO ARE IN THE PUBLIC EYE.
[00:31:43] THAT IS NOT JUST WOMEN IN POLITICS OR GOVERNMENT, BUT
[00:31:46] WOMEN IN BUSINESS, WOMEN IN
[00:31:48] ENTERTAINMENT, WOMEN IN SPORTS.
[00:31:53] THERE WAS A VERY SAD STUDY THAT
[00:31:57] JUST CAME OUT TALKING ABOUT HOW YOUNG MEN 20 YEARS AGO THOUGHT
[00:32:00] WOMEN SHOULD HAVE EQUAL
[00:32:02] OPPORTUNITY AND SHOULD BE ABLE
[00:32:06] TO COMPETE FOR WHATEVER THEY
[00:32:07] THOUGHT THEY WERE QUALIFIED FOR.
[00:32:11] AND NOW, THE NUMBERS OF YOUNG MEN WHO BELIEVE THAT HAVE FALLEN
[00:32:15] DRAMATICALLY. THERE WAS A RECENT OP-ED MAYBE
[00:32:19] YESTERDAY IN THE NEW YORK TIMES THAT HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE
[00:32:22] WOMEN WHO HAD BEEN DRIVEN OUT OF
[00:32:24] THE MILITARY BY HEGSETH.
[00:32:28] WOMEN WHO EARNED IT THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY.
[00:32:32] 40 YEARS OF NAVAL SERVICE,
[00:32:35] ENDING UP COMMANDING AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER GROUP, BECOMING THE
[00:32:38] FIRST WOMAN TO HEAD THE NAVAL
[00:32:41] SERVICES, AND BEING FIRED BY
[00:32:44] HEGSETH IN HIS RELENTLESS QUEST
[00:32:47] FOR MORE TESTOSTERONE, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE SOME INTERESTING
[00:32:52] CONSEQUENCES.
[00:32:54] I THINK THERE IS A BACKLASH
[00:32:57] AGAINST WOMEN'S PROGRESS AND IT
[00:33:00] IS BEING VERY DELIBERATELY
[00:33:02] FUELED BY SOME MANIPULATORS
[00:33:07] ONLINE THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO AND IT IS BEING
[00:33:11] SADLY EXHIBITED IN THIS
[00:33:14] ADMINISTRATION, FIRST AND
[00:33:16] FOREMOST, IN THE PENTAGON.
[00:33:19] IT IS SORT OF IRONIC THAT THE
[00:33:21] ONLY PEOPLE TRUMP HAS PERSONALLY FIRED ARE HIS FOUR WOMEN
[00:33:25] APPOINTMENTS. THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, THE JUSTICE
[00:33:29] DEPARTMENT, THE LABOR DEPARTMENT, AND ONE OTHER.
[00:33:34] SO, I THINK WE'VE MADE A LOT OF
[00:33:37] PROGRESS BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.
[00:33:40] I WAS PRIVILEGED TO BE AN
[00:33:44] EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF THE
[00:33:47] WONDERFUL PLAY ABOUT THE STRUGGLE TO GET WOMEN THE RIGHT
[00:33:50] TO VOTE.
[00:33:52] IN THE LAST SONG, "KEEP
[00:34:03] MARCHING," THERE IS THAT REALLY POIGNANT LINE THAT PROGRESS IS POSSIBLE BUT NOT GUARANTEED.
[00:34:06] SO, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BELIEVE PROGRESS IS POSSIBLE BUT WE CAN'T TAKE IT FOR GRANTED AND
[00:34:10] WE CAN'T ASSUME BECAUSE ROE V.
[00:34:13] WADE GAVE WOMEN AUTONOMY OVER THE MOST PERSONAL OF THEIR
[00:34:17] HEALTH DECISIONS THAT IT'S GOING
[00:34:19] TO BE THERE FOREVER BECAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS FORCES AT WORK THAT WANT TO TURN THE CLOCK BACK
[00:34:23] ON WOMEN.
[00:34:28] I'M VERY KEENLY AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACE ON THAT FRONT.
[00:34:32] MICHAEL: LAST AUDIENCE QUESTION.
[00:34:35] WHAT AND WHO GIVE YOU HOPE?
[00:34:40] SEC. CLINTON: WELL, YOUNG PEOPLE GIVE ME HOPE, INCLUDING MY THREE
[00:34:44] GRANDCHILDREN GIVE ME HOPE.
[00:34:47] I THINK -- I AM SOMEONE WHO
[00:34:52] BELIEVES THAT HOPE IS A GREAT
[00:34:58] UNDERUTILIZED FEELING AND PEOPLE
[00:35:01] SHOULD NEVER LOSE HOPE NO MATTER
[00:35:05] HOW DARK THE TIME MAY BE IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE OR YOUR COMMUNITY,
[00:35:09] FAMILY, COUNTRY.
[00:35:12] IT CAN HELP FUEL YOU AND KEEP YOU GOING.
[00:35:15] IT IS HOW I FEEL ABOUT OPTIMISM
[00:35:17] WHICH SOMEONE ONCE SAID IS A MORAL CHOICE.
[00:35:21] I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. I THINK WE NEED IT NOW MORE THAN
[00:35:25] EVER.
[00:35:26] I DON'T THINK IT IS AN ACCIDENT
[00:35:29] THAT OUR TWO MOST RECENT TWO-TERM DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS,
[00:35:34] BILL CLINTON, THE MAN FROM HOPE, AND BARACK OBAMA, THE HOPE AND
[00:35:38] CHANGE CANDIDATE, BOTH CAME FROM
[00:35:40] A POSITION OF HOPE.
[00:35:46] I FIND THIS VERY, IN A WAY,
[00:35:51] TOUCHING BECAUSE BOTH WERE
[00:35:53] FATHERLESS BOYS, RAISED BY
[00:35:55] DEVOTED MOTHERS WHO GAVE THEM
[00:35:59] HOPE AND GAVE THEM A FEELING OF
[00:36:03] POSSIBILITY IN THEIR OWN LIVES.
[00:36:08] AND THEY BOTH HAD REMARKABLE
[00:36:12] JOURNEYS. AND THEY NEVER LOST THAT SENSE
[00:36:15] THAT HOPE WAS ONE OF THE REASONS
[00:36:19] THAT THEY ENDED UP WHERE THEY
[00:36:24] DID AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO OTHERS.
[00:36:27] FOR ME, IT IS NOT JUST THE NICE
[00:36:29] THING TO HAVE, IT IS NECESSARY.
[00:36:35] AND HOPE AND GRATITUDE TOGETHER CAN REALLY KEEP YOU GOING
[00:36:39] THROUGH A LOT OF CHALLENGE.
[00:36:43] SO, I HOPE VERY MUCH THAT OUR
[00:36:46] COUNTRY GETS BACK TO ITS SENSES
[00:36:50] AND THAT WE DECIDE WE ARE GOING
[00:36:51] TO START LIVING UP TO OUR IDEALS
[00:36:56] IN FURTHERANCE OF OUR BEST VALUES, AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO
[00:36:59] MAKE OUR CHILDREN PROUD BUT ALSO GIVE THEM THE FUTURE THAT NOT
[00:37:04] JUST THEY HOPE FOR BUT THAT WE CAN DELIVER.
[00:37:07] THAT'S HOW I KEEP GOING.
[00:37:09] [APPLAUSE]
[00:37:13] MICHAEL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[00:37:17] PLEASE JOIN ME IN THANKING SECRETARY CLINTON FOR A VERY
[00:37:19] HOPEFUL MESSAGE.
[00:37:21] SEC. CLINTON: THE BEST.
[00:37:24] >> IT IS MY DISTINCTION TO CLOSE THIS EXTRAORDINARY EVENING WHICH
[00:37:27] BROUGHT US A CONVERSATION WORTHY
[00:37:29] OF OUR 250 YEARS AND A MEMORABLE
[00:37:31] GRAND FINALE TO THE
[00:37:34] HAMPTON'S INSTITUTE SUMMER SERIES.
[00:37:37] THANK YOU, MICHAEL FROMAN.
[00:37:39] THANK YOU, SECRETARY CLINTON.
[00:37:43] AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT AND FOR OUR SERIES.
[00:37:46] JUST REMEMBER TO COME BACK NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU.
[00:37:49] [APPLAUSE]
[00:37:57] >> ON TUESDAY, ASTRONAUTS FROM
[00:38:02] NASA AND THEIR PIN SPACE AGENCY WILL COMPLETE THE SPACEWALK TO
[00:38:06] COMPLETE THE REPLACEMENT OF AN ANTENNA ON THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION.
[00:38:12] WATCH LIVE ON CSPAN3, C-SPAN
[00:38:15] NOW, AND ONLINE AT C-SPAN.ORG.
[00:38:19] >> THE ROAD TO THE CAPITOL RUNS
[00:38:24] THROUGH AMERICA'S BATTLEGROUND STATES AND C-SPAN IS THERE. OUR CAMERAS ARE ON THE GROUND,
[00:38:28] FOLLOWING THE CAMPAIGN COME OVER THE TOUGHEST RACES WILL DECIDE THE BALANCE OF POWER IN
[00:38:32] CONGRESS. WE ARE THE ONLY NATIONAL
[00:38:35] TELEVISION NETWORK PROVIDING THIS LEVEL OF UNFILTERED ACCESS
[00:38:38] TO THE CANDIDATES, THE VOTERS,
[00:38:39] AND ISSUES SHAPING CAMPAIGN
[00:38:43] 2026. NO COMMENTATORS TELLING YOU WHAT TO THINK.
[00:38:46] THE ROAD TO THE CAPITOL, ONLY ON C-SPAN.
[00:38:49] >> PRESIDENT TRUMP SPOKE ABOUT
[00:38:55] EDUCATION POLICIES ALONGSIDE LINDA MCMAHON.
[00:38:57] HIS REMARKS RUN NEARLY HALF