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[00:00:39] HOST: 47 STATES SUED, AND THEY WON.
[00:00:42] GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THE "WASHINGTON JOURNAL ON THIS
[00:00:45] FRIDAY, AUGUST 27. WE WILL GET YOUR REACTION TO
[00:00:48] THAT, PAYING UP TO 18 BILLION DOLLARS TO SETTLE CLAIMS ITS
[00:00:52] PLATFORMS HARM CHILDREN. MY QUESTION FOR YOU, YOUR
[00:00:55] THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA'S
[00:00:58] IMPACT ON KIDS.
[00:01:02] REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001.
[00:01:05] DEMOCRATS, (202) 748-8000.
[00:01:07] INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
[00:01:10] YOU CAN TEXT AT (202) 748-8003.
[00:01:14] YOU CAN CATCH US ON SOCIAL
[00:01:16] MEDIA, FACEBOOK.COM/C-SPAN AND
[00:01:20] ON X AND INSTAGRAM AT @CSPANWJ.
[00:01:27] WE'RE GOING TO GET TO YOUR THOUGHTS AND JUST A MINUTE, BUT
[00:01:31] TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SETTLEMENT AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR META,
[00:01:34] THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT.
[00:01:37] THEY HAVE AGREED TO PAY UP TO 18 BILLION DOLLARS IN PENALTIES,
[00:01:41] STRICTER AGE VERIFICATION,
[00:01:43] TWO-HOUR DAILY LIMIT ACROSS FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM, UNLESS
[00:01:47] PARENTS GIVE PERMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL TIME.
[00:01:49] ABILITY TO TURN OFF AUTOPLAY
[00:01:52] FEATURE, MEANING CONTENT NO
[00:01:54] LONGER JUST AUTOMATICALLY PLAYS,
[00:01:57] CLEAR PROMPTS AND NOTIFICATIONS TO TEENS EVERY 15 MINUTES OF
[00:02:01] CONTINUOUS SCREEN TIME, DEFAULT
[00:02:03] BLOCKS FROM APPS AT NIGHT, MUTED
[00:02:05] NOTIFICATIONS DURING SCHOOL
[00:02:08] HOURS, NEW PARENTAL SUPERVISION CONTROLS.
[00:02:10] PARENTS CAN DECIDE HOW THEIR TEENS USE THESE APPS.
[00:02:13] JOINING US NOW TO DISCUSS MORE
[00:02:20] OF THIS LAWSUIT IS JAY JONES, VIRGINIA'S STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL. MR. JONES, HOW DID YOU AND THE
[00:02:22] OTHER STATES COME TOGETHER AND
[00:02:26] WHEN DID YOU DECIDE TO PURSUE THIS LAWSUIT?
[00:02:30] GUEST: GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I WILL NOTE THAT THIS EFFORT HAS
[00:02:34] BEEN MORE THAN FIVE YEARS IN THE MAKING.
[00:02:36] I STARTED WITH THE INVESTIGATION
[00:02:38] IN 2021 AND IT HAS GOTTEN US TO THIS POINT.
[00:02:42] I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW MONUMENTAL THE RESULT OF THE SETTLEMENT IS.
[00:02:46] AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE FOLKS, ESPECIALLY IN OUR OFFICE, WHO
[00:02:49] STARTED THIS ALL THOSE YEARS AGO COULD NOT BELIEVE WE GOT TO THIS
[00:02:53] POINT ULTIMATELY. THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT
[00:02:56] IS HISTORIC, NOT JUST FOR VIRGINIA BUT ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
[00:03:00] WE HAVE NOT JUST A LANDMARK SETTLEMENT IN TERMS OF DOLLAR
[00:03:02] FIGURES, BUT THE GUARDRAILS TO
[00:03:06] KEEP AMERICANS A SECURE, IT WILL KEEP CHILDREN SAFE FOR GENERATIONS.
[00:03:10] IT IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS IS A BIPARTISAN
[00:03:13] EFFORT, NOT LIMITED TO JUST DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS.
[00:03:16] A LARGE COALITION OF STATES WERE ABLE TO SECURE THIS BY WORKING
[00:03:20] TOGETHER, WHICH I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT,
[00:03:23] ESPECIALLY IN THIS MOMENT IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY.
[00:03:28] HOST: IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS HEADING TO TRIAL, PROCEEDINGS HAD BEGUN.
[00:03:31] HOW DID THE SETTLEMENT COME ABOUT? GUEST: I THINK IT GAINED
[00:03:34] MOMENTUM IN RECENT DAYS, IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THE
[00:03:38] STRENGTH OF OUR CASE. WE WERE LITIGATING THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA.
[00:03:42] I AM PROUD THAT MY TEAM WAS THERE IN THE COURTROOM ASSISTING
[00:03:46] TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. BUT I THINK THAT META SAW THAT
[00:03:49] THE THINGS I HAD DONE OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS TO HARM
[00:03:53] CHILDREN REALLY WERE ABOUT TO COME TO A HEAD. SO THEY WERE WITH -- WE WERE
[00:03:56] ABLE TO EXTRACT CONCESSIONS FROM
[00:03:59] THEM THAT WILL CHANGE THE WAY OUR CHILDREN ENGAGE WITH SOCIAL MEDIA.
[00:04:03] IT WILL BE A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT IN THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES AND
[00:04:07] HOPEFULLY MORE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES WILL FOLLOW SUIT SOON.
[00:04:10] HOST: HOW WILL THE MONEY GET PAID OUT?
[00:04:14] GUEST: WE WILL GET A PAYMENT IN VIRGINIA WITHIN THE NEXT 30
[00:04:17] DAYS, THEN ANOTHER IN JANUARY, AND IT WILL CONTINUE IN
[00:04:19] SUBSEQUENT YEARS, I THINK EIGHT MORE YEARS.
[00:04:22] WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT MONEY COMING INTO OUR STATE.
[00:04:25] OTHER STATES CERTAINLY BENEFIT FROM THIS, AS WELL.
[00:04:28] AGAIN, THE MONEY IS IMPORTANT,
[00:04:30] BUT I CANNOT UNDERSCORE HOW
[00:04:32] IMPORTANT THE PROTECTIONS WE
[00:04:36] SECURED IN THIS SETTLEMENT, THE AGE RESTRICTION, INCREASE PARENTAL CONTROLS, LIMITING
[00:04:40] NOTIFICATIONS IT DURING SCHOOL HOURS AND NIGHT TIME, THE LIST GOES ON.
[00:04:43] THESE WILL PUT THESE NECESSARY SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE FOR OUR CHILDREN.
[00:04:47] I HAVE TWO YOUNG BOYS MYSELF,
[00:04:49] THEY ARE FOUR AND TWO, SO ALMOST SCHOOL-AGE.
[00:04:52] I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR PARENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO HELP CONTROL THE USE
[00:04:57] OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND WHAT THESE CHILDREN ARE SEEING, BECAUSE WE
[00:05:00] KNOW THEY HAVE HAD DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND
[00:05:03] OTHER ASPECTS OF THEIR LIVES. THIS IS A HUGE STEP FORWARD IN
[00:05:07] KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE.
[00:05:08] HOST: DID META AGREE THAT THIS
[00:05:13] HAS HAD HARM TO CHILDREN'S MENTAL HEALTH? GUEST: WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND WHAT WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY
[00:05:17] FROM THIS IS THAT THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN
[00:05:20] PUSHING FOR FOR SO LONG. THIS IS GOING TO HELP CHILDREN
[00:05:23] IN VIRGINIA AND ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. WE KNOW THAT SOCIAL MEDIA HAS
[00:05:28] BECOME AN ADDICTION. IT HAS BECOME AN EVER PRESENT PART OF THEIR LIVES AND HAS
[00:05:31] HARMED THEM IN WAYS THAT WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MEASURE.
[00:05:35] BUT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD, A MASSIVE VICTORY FOR
[00:05:39] PARENTS, CHILDREN, FAMILIES, TEACHERS, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
[00:05:43] I AM PROUD OF THE WORK WE DID AS PART OF THE BIPARTISAN COALITION.
[00:05:47] STATES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY JOINED TOGETHER TO HOLD THE
[00:05:51] BIGGEST TECH COMPANY ON THE
[00:05:52] PLANET ACCOUNTABLE AND DELIVERED RESULTS. HOST: FRONT PAGE OF THE
[00:05:56] WASHINGTON TIMES THIS MORNING,
[00:05:59] STATES HAVE NO PLANS FOR
[00:06:05] SPENDING META FUNDS. HARMED CHILDREN NOT IN THE SETTLEMENT. THEY GO ON TO NOTE THAT BREAK
[00:06:09] AMONG STATES. DOES VIRGINIA HAVE PLANS FOR THIS MONEY? GUEST: I WILL NOTE THAT IN THE
[00:06:11] SETTLEMENT, HALF OF THE MONEY IS
[00:06:13] TO BE USED FOR MEDIATION TO HELP
[00:06:15] SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND TACKLE THIS CRISIS, AND VIRGINIA IS
[00:06:19] READY AND ENGAGED. I CAMPAIGNED LAST YEAR ON
[00:06:22] KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE, AND THIS WILL BE A MAJOR STEP FORWARD IN
[00:06:26] THAT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH POLICYMAKERS TO MAKE SURE THE
[00:06:29] MONEY IS DEPLOYED IN WAYS THAT WILL BENEFIT OUR CHILDREN.
[00:06:32] THIS IS A LANDMARK MOMENT FOR VIRGINIA, ONE OF THE LARGEST
[00:06:36] SETTLEMENTS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMONWEALTH.
[00:06:37] I THINK THAT IS PRETTY TRUE FOR OTHER STATES. THIS IS A MOMENT FOR US TO
[00:06:42] REALLY PUT OUR MONEY AND OUR
[00:06:45] DOLLARS BEHIND THE EFFORT THAT
[00:06:51] IS LONG OVERDUE. AGAIN, THIS CASE HAS BEEN FIVE YEARS ONGOING, AND NOW WE FINALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THIS MONEY TO HELP UNPLUG
[00:06:54] OUR KIDS AND PUT THEM IN PLACES AND SPACES WHERE THEY WILL NOT
[00:06:58] BE DRAWN IN BY SOCIAL MEDIA.
[00:07:00] WE ARE LIMITING HARM, TRULY HISTORIC.
[00:07:04] HOST: FRONT PAGE OF THE NEW YORK TIMES, META, AFTER BINDING ITS
[00:07:08] HANDS, WANTS RIVALS TO DO LIKEWISE. WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO THE
[00:07:12] OTHER BIG TECH COMPANIES? GUEST: THAT WE ARE GOING TO HOLD
[00:07:15] EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE. IF YOU ARE DOING HARM TO OUR
[00:07:18] KIDS, WE ARE GOING TO COME AFTER YOU.
[00:07:21] I THINK THIS IS JUST A JUMPING OFF POINT, ONLY THE BEGINNING.
[00:07:25] IN VIRGINIA, WE HAVE DRAWN OUR LINE IN THE SAND, COMMITTED TO
[00:07:28] THIS EVER SINCE 20 21.
[00:07:33] NOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO DEPLOY THE FUNDS FROM THIS SETTLEMENT TO ENSURE THIS IS ENFORCED, THEN WE CAN TAKE OUR RESOURCES AND GO
[00:07:37] AFTER OTHERS WERE HARMING OUR CHILDREN. WE KNOW THAT FACEBOOK AND
[00:07:40] INSTAGRAM ARE NOT THE ONLY PLATFORMS WITH THESE ALGORITHMS AND CONTENT.
[00:07:45] WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HOLDING EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE.
[00:07:48] AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT FOR FACEBOOK
[00:07:52] AND INSTAGRAM'S BUSINESS PRACTICES. WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT
[00:07:56] FURTHER COMPANIES. HOST: SHOULD KIDS UNDER 16 BE
[00:07:59] BANNED FROM USING SOCIAL MEDIA?
[00:08:03] GUEST: THOSE DECISIONS WILL BE LEFT TO STATE POLICYMAKERS. WE HAVE WONDERFUL PEOPLE HERE IN
[00:08:07] VIRGINIA WHO ARE THOUGHTFUL, WHO ARE LISTENERS, WHO TALK TO
[00:08:09] PARENTS, TEACHERS, STUDENTS AND THEIR COMMUNITIES.
[00:08:14] IN VIRGINIA, WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR KIDS HAVE
[00:08:17] THE MOST SUPPORT POSSIBLE AND
[00:08:19] THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING HARMED FROM THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS ANYMORE.
[00:08:23] HOST: J JONES IS THE -- IS THE
[00:08:26] VIRGINIA STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
[00:08:29] TIME THIS MORNING.
[00:08:32] GUEST: THANK YOU. HOST: META RESPONDED TO THE SETTLEMENT CASE IN AN OPEN
[00:08:36] LETTER TO OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA
[00:08:38] COMPANIES, TIKTOK AND YOUTUBE, SAYING WE WANT TO ENSURE TEEN'S
[00:08:42] BENEFIT FROM THIS NEW INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT WE CANNOT DO IT
[00:08:46] ALONE. THESE PROTECTIONS WILL ONLY BE TRULY EFFECTIVE IF WE WORK WITH
[00:08:49] OUR PEERS, TIKTOK AND YOUTUBE,
[00:08:53] TO PUT THE SAME MEASURES IN PLACE. ALL PLATFORM SHOULD EMPOWER
[00:08:56] PARENTS AND SUPPORT TEENS IN THESE WAYS.
[00:08:59] THAT IS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WHEN TEENS ARE RESTRICTED ON ONE
[00:09:03] APP, THEY SIMPLY MOVE TO ANOTHER. FOR MEANINGFUL PROGRESS TO
[00:09:07] HAPPEN, WE URGE OUR PEERS TO JOIN US.
[00:09:10] MORE ON THAT FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTING THIS MORNING,
[00:09:15] TA, AFTER BINDING ITS HANDS, WANTS RIVALS TO DO LIKEWISE.
[00:09:18] THEY SAY THIS IS HOW THE SETTLEMENT WILL WORK, THE
[00:09:21] BASELINED OF META'S MONETARY SETTLEMENT IS A $12 BILLION, THE
[00:09:25] COMPANY HAS ALSO AGREED TO A
[00:09:27] TWO-HOUR DAILY TIME LIMIT FOR CHILDREN.
[00:09:32] META WILL REDUCE THAT TO ONE HOUR IF YOUTUBE AND TIKTOK ALSO AGREE TO A ONE-HOUR LIMIT.
[00:09:36] AND IF THE OTHER COMPANIES ALSO
[00:09:39] PAY $5 BILLION TO THE STATES, META WILL THROW IN THE REST OF
[00:09:43] THE $5 BILLION OR SO, AS IT HAS
[00:09:47] PROMISED. SO META LAYING AN INCENTIVE OUT
[00:09:50] TO NOT ONLY AVOID LAWSUITS TO
[00:09:52] TIKTOK AND YOUTUBE BUT ALSO
[00:09:58] INCENTIVIZING THEM TO JOIN IN
[00:10:00] LIMITING TEENS' ACCESS TO SOCIAL MEDIA.
[00:10:04] THIS MORNING, YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA'S IMPACT ON KIDS.
[00:10:07] WE WILL HEAR FROM HARVEY FIRST
[00:10:10] IN SOUTH CAROLINA, DEMOCRATIC COLLAR. GO AHEAD.
[00:10:13] CALLER: HOW YOU GUYS DOING? DOES PUBLIC MOURNING.
[00:10:17] CALLER: ONE THING I RECOGNIZE
[00:10:19] AND REMEMBER AS A YOUNG PERSON,
[00:10:22] WE HAD INFLUENCERS ON TELEVISION, IT WAS ONE OF OUR
[00:10:26] BEST TOOLS, IN ADDITION TO THE EDUCATION WE RECEIVED,
[00:10:30] PARTICULARLY IN THE NEW YORK CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.
[00:10:32] BUT WE WOULD GO HOME AND WATCH
[00:10:36] TELEVISION. THE TELEVISION THAT WE WATCHED,
[00:10:39] THE PROGRAMMING WAS INSTRUCTIVE, WE LEARNED FROM IT.
[00:10:43] A BIG PORTION OF OUR EDUCATION
[00:10:45] CAME FROM AFTER SCHOOL -- NOT
[00:10:48] AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS BUT AFTERSCHOOL TELEVISION WATCHING.
[00:10:52] THE FEAR WE HAVE, EVEN AS ADULTS TODAY IN THE COUNTRY, LET'S LOOK
[00:10:57] AND AN EXAMPLE, THE MINISTER OF
[00:11:01] PROPAGANDA AND THE SOVIET UNION -- I MEAN, IN GERMANY.
[00:11:04] HE WAS PAID FROM THE REGIME TO
[00:11:09] INSPIRE REGULAR CITIZENS TO DO VERY BAD THINGS TO THE JEWISH POPULATION.
[00:11:13] WE HAVE FEAR OF SOCIAL MEDIA,
[00:11:16] FEAR OF ALL THE DEVICES THAT CAN
[00:11:18] BE USED ON AN UNWITTING OR
[00:11:22] UNKNOWING POPULATION THAT WE HAVE IN AMERICA.
[00:11:25] LEARNING AND KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, AND I DO NOT THINK THAT THE
[00:11:27] AMERICAN PEOPLE QUESTION THE
[00:11:30] SOURCES OF THE DATA AND INFORMATION THEY RECEIVE.
[00:11:34] SO, FOR ADULTS THAT CANNOT DO IT, I KNOW THAT CHILDREN CAN BE
[00:11:37] PLAYED ON JUST AS -- CAN BE
[00:11:39] PREYED ON JUST AS EASILY AS AN ADULT.
[00:11:43] HOST: SOMEONE MIGHT SAY THAT HIS SCREEN TIME, WHEN YOU'RE
[00:11:46] WATCHING A TELEVISION, THAT IS SCREEN TIME.
[00:11:48] WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE YOU BETWEEN A TELEVISION AND SOCIAL
[00:11:52] MEDIA PLATFORMS? CALLER: I THINK IT IS BASICALLY PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, YOU HAVE
[00:11:56] TO USE YOUR EYES AND YOUR EARS AND YOUR FACULTIES TO ABSORB THE
[00:12:01] INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED TO YOU. AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE DRAWN TO
[00:12:04] COMPUTERS NOW. SO THIS IS ANOTHER WAY OF
[00:12:08] ENFORCING THAT INFLUENCE. THE OTHER THING I HAVE IS
[00:12:10] FOREIGN INFLUENCE.
[00:12:13] SURE, TRYING TO SELL PRODUCTS,
[00:12:15] THESE COMPANIES THAT HAVE THESE
[00:12:17] PLATFORMS, THEY ARE MONEYMAKING INDUSTRIES, AND THE BEST WAY TO
[00:12:20] SELL A PRODUCT IS TO REACH THE YOUNG PEOPLE EARLY ON.
[00:12:24] THAT IS WHAT CEREAL IS ALL ABOUT
[00:12:29] WHAT THOSE COMMERCIALS ON TV. KIDS WANT ANYTHING SWEET AND
[00:12:33] SUGARY. WE HAVE LEARNED THAT SUGAR IS A
[00:12:36] VERY HARMFUL THING, PARTICULARLY FOR COMMUNITIES THAT SUFFER FROM
[00:12:40] HIGH NUMBERS OF DIABETES, CHOLESTEROL, AND HEART DISEASE.
[00:12:45] HOST: STILL THERE? ALL RIGHT, HARVEY.
[00:12:49] I AM GOING TO CLARENCE IN
[00:12:51] MARYLAND, ALSO ON THE LINE FOR DEMOCRATS.
[00:12:54] YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA'S IMPACT ON KIDS? CALLER: TWO THINGS.
[00:12:59] ONE, I AM BAFFLED AT HOW OTHER
[00:13:02] COUNTRIES DID THIS KIND OF
[00:13:05] POLICY CHANGE LIKE 10, 15 YEARS
[00:13:11] AGO, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE
[00:13:14] ARE MAKING IT NOW TO PROTECT OUR KIDS.
[00:13:18] OTHER COUNTRIES WERE DOING THIS
[00:13:19] A LONG TIME AGO.
[00:13:25] KIDS BEING ALLOWED TO WATCH ANYTHING ON THOSE KIND OF MEDIA
[00:13:29] SITES, THAT IS NOT POSITIVE OR
[00:13:31] INFLUENTIAL TOWARDS THE GOOD OF
[00:13:36] THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE
[00:13:40] JUST DOING DUMB STUFF JUST TO
[00:13:42] GET PEOPLE RILED UP.
[00:13:45] I THINK THAT IS ALSO MAKING A BIG PROBLEM IN THIS WHOLE SCREEN TIME THING.
[00:13:49] AND I FEEL LIKE KIDS UNDER A
[00:13:51] CERTAIN AGE, LIKE IF YOU ARE NOT
[00:13:55] A TEENAGER, YOU SHOULD NOT BE OUT HERE LOOKING AT SCREENS.
[00:13:59] YOU SHOULD BE RUNNING AROUND
[00:14:00] PLAYING WITH MUD OR GOING BLOCKS
[00:14:06] WITH BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND HAVING FUN DOING THAT INSTEAD OF
[00:14:10] MAKING TIKTOK VIDEOS. IT IS CRAZY.
[00:14:13] IT IS ALSO WILD THAT MEDIA
[00:14:18] COMPANIES ARE JUST NOW MAKING IT SO THEY CANNOT HAVE -- LIKE THE
[00:14:22] PARENTS HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN SAY IN REGARDS OF HOW OLD DOES
[00:14:26] NOT HOW OLD THE KID CAN BE ON BUT HOW LONG THE KID CAN BE
[00:14:30] GONE. IT SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC, LIKE IF YOU ARE NOT A CERTAIN AGE, YOU
[00:14:33] CANNOT GET ON IT, PERIOD. CRAZY.
[00:14:37] HOST: LET ME JUMP ON THE POINT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT WHAT
[00:14:40] OTHER COUNTRIES ARE DOING. AUSTRALIA BANNED SOCIAL MEDIA
[00:14:44] FOR MINORS UNDER 16 STARTING
[00:14:47] DECEMBER 2025, REQUIRED MAJOR TECH PLATFORMS TO BLOCK YOUNGER USERS.
[00:14:52] CHINA USES A DEVICE LEVEL MINOR
[00:14:55] MODE SYSTEM TO LIMIT DAILY SCREEN TIME AND RESTRICT APPS BASED ON AGE.
[00:14:59] THE U.K. AND EUROPE, U.K. PLANS
[00:15:02] AND UNDER 16 BANNED BY SPRING 22
[00:15:05] AND SEVEN, BUT THE EUROPEAN UNION IS WORKING ON A FAIRNESS
[00:15:08] ACT TO CURB ADDICTIVE DESIGN FEATURES FOR MINORS.
[00:15:12] FRANCE, A PROPOSAL -- PROPOSED
[00:15:15] UNDER 15 BAND WAS BLOCKED BY THE COUNTRY'S TOP COURT IN AUGUST 20
[00:15:19] 26 OVER FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION CONCERNS.
[00:15:23] SO I WILL PUT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR ALL OF YOU TO REACT TO.
[00:15:26] YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA'S IMPACT ON KIDS FOLLOWING THIS
[00:15:29] LANDMARK SETTLEMENT BY META TO
[00:15:32] PAY $18 BILLION TO STATES, 47
[00:15:38] PLUS DISTRICTS AND TERRITORIES, THAT SUED OVER THE IMPACT OF
[00:15:41] THEIR PLATFORM ON CHILDREN.
[00:15:43] LET'S GO TO JOHN IN PRINCETON,
[00:15:48] NEW JERSEY, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. CALLER: THANKS FOR TAKING MY
[00:15:52] CALL. LISTENING TO ALL THIS AND
[00:15:54] THINKING ABOUT MY OWN GRANDKIDS,
[00:15:57] SEEMS TO ME THAT HIGH SCHOOLS BUT START OFFERING COURSES AND
[00:16:01] HOW TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS TRUE WHEN YOU ARE READING THE INTERNET.
[00:16:06] IT IS BECOMING HARDER AND HARDER .
[00:16:10] AND I DON'T SEE A WAY -- I THINK
[00:16:14] IT SHOULD BE PART OF PUBLIC
[00:16:15] EDUCATION NOW TO TEACH KIDS
[00:16:19] TACTICS TO FIND OUT WHAT IS TRUE AND NOT TRUE. THAT IS ABOUT IT.
[00:16:23] HOST: OK, OTTO ON X SAYS PARENTS
[00:16:32] ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. PARENTS NEED TO NURTURE, GUIDE,
[00:16:35] EDUCATE, SET BOUNDARIES, SPEND
[00:16:36] QUALITY TIME, PROTECT, SUPPORT,
[00:16:39] ENCOURAGE, TEACH, SAID CONSEQUENCES. PARENTAL ABDICATION IS WHAT
[00:16:44] ALLOWED ACADEMIA TO TAKE OVER THE KIDS PHYSICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY.
[00:16:47] I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU AGREE, THAT IT IS UP TO THE
[00:16:50] PARENTS TO SET LIMITS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
[00:16:53] TINA IN ILLINOIS, INDEPENDENT.
[00:16:58] CALLER: HI, I WANT TO AGREE WITH THE LAST PERSON WHO WAS ON.
[00:17:01] I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE
[00:17:02] PARENTS, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT
[00:17:07] PROVIDE FOR THEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT CHILDREN NEED SOME ACCESS.
[00:17:11] I WAS A SINGLE PARENT RAISING TWO CHILDREN.
[00:17:13] MY SON IS 35 YEARS OLD NOW.
[00:17:16] I ALSO GRAPPLED WITH THE FIRST
[00:17:20] PARTS OF THE INTERNET, AND SO I
[00:17:24] HAD TO PUT LIMITS ON MY CHILD.
[00:17:28] WHEN YOU HAND SOMEBODY SOMETHING
[00:17:30] LIKE THAT, OF COURSE YOU WILL
[00:17:34] RUN INTO A PROBLEM LIKE THAT, WHEN SOMEBODY DOES NOT HAVE THE
[00:17:38] CAPACITY. SO I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE
[00:17:41] PARENTS WHO NEED TO SET THESE LIMITS TO START WITH.
[00:17:45] THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PROVIDE IT.
[00:17:50] IT STARTS THERE.
[00:17:51] I UNDERSTAND TEACHING CHILDREN
[00:17:56] HOW TO GRAPPLED WITH THE INTERNET.
[00:17:58] I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
[00:18:02] BUT IT STARTS WITH THE PARENTS.
[00:18:05] HOST: OK, TINA THERE IN ILLINOIS. IN THIS CASE AGAINST META,
[00:18:09] NEARLY ALL 50 STATES THAT SUED
[00:18:13] THIS BIG TECH COMPANY, THEY DID
[00:18:15] NOT ADMIT ANY WRONGDOING IN THIS
[00:18:20] SETTLEMENT. THIS IS FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES THIS MORNING.
[00:18:23] ONE WEDNESDAY -- ON WEDNESDAY, SOME LAWMAKERS HINTED AT THEIR
[00:18:26] APPETITE TO MAKE THE RULES APPLY TO THE REST OF THE INDUSTRY.
[00:18:32] IN A JOINT STATEMENT, SENATOR'S MARSHA BLACKBURN OF TENNESSEE
[00:18:35] AND RICHARD BLUMENTHAL OF CONNECTICUT SAID AMERICANS
[00:18:38] NEEDED SAFEGUARDS THAT APPLIED TO ALL SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES,
[00:18:42] NOT JUST INSTAGRAM AND FACEBOOK OWNED BY META.
[00:18:46] NEW YORK TIMES GOES ON, SILICON VALLEY HAS LARGELY MANAGED TO
[00:18:50] STAVE OFF CHILD SAFETY CONCERNS
[00:18:52] BY HIGHLIGHTING CONTROLS THAT SHIFT RESPONSIBILITY TO PARENTS.
[00:18:55] MR. ZUCKERBERG AND HIS PEERS
[00:18:59] HAVE GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO REGULAR APPEARANCES ON CAPITOL HILL.
[00:19:02] DESPITE MORE THAN A DOZEN CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS, NOTHING
[00:19:05] MUCH HAPPENED.
[00:19:07] BUT IN 2023, META WAS SUED BY
[00:19:11] MORE THAN THREE DOZEN STATES
[00:19:14] THAT ACCUSATIVE KNOWINGLY USING FEATURES ON INSTAGRAM AND
[00:19:17] FACEBOOK TO HOOK CHILDREN ON ITS
[00:19:19] PLATFORMS, EVEN AS THE COMPANY SAID ITS SOCIAL MEDIA SITES WERE
[00:19:23] SAFE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.
[00:19:25] LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT WAS SAID IN
[00:19:31] 2020 FOUR WHEN ZUCKERBERG APPEARED ON CAPITOL HILL. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:19:35] >> WITH SO MUCH OF OUR LIVES SPENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, IT IS
[00:19:39] IMPORTANT TO LOOK INTO THE EFFECTS OF TEEN MENTAL HEALTH AND WELL-BEING.
[00:19:42] WE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. MENTAL HEALTH IS A COMPLEX
[00:19:45] ISSUE, AND THE EXISTING BODY OF SCIENTIFIC WORK HAS NOT SHOWN A
[00:19:49] CAUSAL LINK BETWEEN USING SOCIAL MEDIA AND YOUNG PEOPLE HAVING
[00:19:53] WORSE MENTAL HEALTH INCOME -- OUTCOMES.
[00:19:56] A RECENT NATIONAL ACADEMIES OF SCIENCE REPORT EVALUATED OVER
[00:20:01] 300 STUDIES AND FOUND THAT RESEARCH "DID NOT SUPPORT THE
[00:20:03] CONCLUSION THAT SOCIAL MEDIA CAUSES CHANGES IN ADOLESCENT
[00:20:07] MENTAL HEALTH AND POPULATION LEVEL." IT ALSO SUGGESTED THAT
[00:20:10] SOCIAL MEDIA CAN PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE BENEFITS WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE USE IT TO
[00:20:15] EXPRESS THEMSELVES, EXPLORE AND CONNECT WITH OTHERS.
[00:20:17] STILL, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE RESEARCH AND USE
[00:20:20] IT TO FORM OUR ROADMAP. KEEPING YOUNG PEOPLE SAFE ONLINE
[00:20:24] HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE SINCE THE
[00:20:27] INTERNET BEGAN, AND AS CRIMINALS INVOLVE THEIR TACTICS, WE HAVE
[00:20:31] TO EVOLVE OUR DEFENSES. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HIDE BAD ACTORS
[00:20:35] AND BRING THEM TO JUSTICE, BUT THE DIFFICULT REALITY IS NO
[00:20:38] MATTER HOW MUCH WE INVEST OR HOW
[00:20:40] EFFECTIVE OUR TOOLS ARE, THERE'S
[00:20:43] ALWAYS MORE TO LEARN AND MORE IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE.
[00:20:49] HOST: META CEO ON CAPITOL HILL IN 2024.
[00:20:53] NOW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE MOVING ON LEGISLATION IN BOTH
[00:20:56] THE HOUSE AND SENATE, BUT THIS
[00:20:58] LEGISLATION HAS YET TO PASS IN BOTH CHAMBERS.
[00:21:02] EARLIER THIS YEAR, SENATOR MARSHA BLACKBURN DISCUSSED BIPARTISAN EFFORTS TO PROTECT CHILDREN ONLINE.
[00:21:06] HERE IS WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:21:11] >> THE VIRTUAL SPACE IS THE ONLY INDUSTRIAL SECTOR IN OUR NATION,
[00:21:15] THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE
[00:21:19] SAFETY BY DESIGN, PRODUCT SAFETY
[00:21:23] STANDARDS. THINK ABOUT THAT. IF YOU BUY A CAR, THERE ARE
[00:21:28] SAFETY STANDARDS. IF YOU BUY A COFFEE POT, YOU'VE
[00:21:32] GOT SAFETY STANDARDS.
[00:21:33] IF YOU BUY A MATTRESS, THERE ARE
[00:21:37] SAFETY STANDARDS. BUT YOU CAN LOG ON AND GO TO A
[00:21:41] SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, AND
[00:21:45] THERE IS NOTHING TO PROTECT YOU.
[00:21:50] IT IS BUILT TO BE ADDICTIVE.
[00:21:55] HOST: HOUSE AND SENATE HAVE LEGISLATION TO DEAL WITH TEENS
[00:21:59] ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THE SENATE BILL, KIDS ONLINE
[00:22:02] SAFETY ACT, WOULD REQUIRE SOCIAL
[00:22:05] MEDIA AND ONLINE PLATFORMS TO AUTOMATICALLY APPLY THE
[00:22:08] STRONGEST PRIVACY SETTINGS FOR MINORS USING THE PLATFORMS.
[00:22:12] IT DISABLES ADDICTIVE FEATURES, MANDATES OPTIONS FOR YOUNG USERS
[00:22:16] AND PARENTS TO TURN OFF COMPULSIVE OR ADDICTIVE FEATURES
[00:22:20] SUCH AS ENLIST ALGORITHMIC
[00:22:23] FEEDS, AUTOPLAY VIDEOS, LATE-NIGHT NOTIFICATIONS. HAS PARENTAL CONTROLS THAT
[00:22:27] EMPOWER PARENTS THE SPECIFIC
[00:22:30] TOOLS TO MONITOR THE USE, SPOT
[00:22:32] HARMFUL BEHAVIOR, AND ACCESS
[00:22:35] DEDICATED REPORTED CHANNELS FOR ABUSE OR DANGEROUS CONTENT.
[00:22:39] ALSO INCLUDES MITIGATING SPECIFIC DANGERS, CREATES A
[00:22:42] LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THESE PLATFORMS TO PREVENT AND ADDRESS HARMS LIKE THE PROMOTION OF SELF
[00:22:47] HARM, SUICIDE, EATING DISORDERS,
[00:22:51] CYBER BULLYING, AND SEXUAL EXPLOITATION.
[00:22:53] IT ALSO INCLUDES INDEPENDENT AUDITS AND RESEARCH REQUIRING
[00:22:57] THIRD-PARTY AUDITS AND GIVES ACADEMIC OR NONPROFIT RESEARCHERS ACCESS TO PLATFORM
[00:23:02] DATA TO EVALUATE HOW THESE
[00:23:05] ALGORITHMS AND PACK THE USED. THE SENATE VERSION DIFFERS FROM THE HOUSE VERSION IN THAT IT
[00:23:09] FEATURES A MANDATORY DUTY OF CARE PROVISION THAT REQUIRES
[00:23:13] ONLINE PRODUCT -- PLATFORMS TO EXERCISE REASONABLE CARE IN
[00:23:16] THEIR DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION
[00:23:19] TO PREVENT AND MITIGATE SPECIFIC MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HARM TO MINORS.
[00:23:23] WE ARE ASKING YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE IMPACT IT
[00:23:27] HAS ON KIDS THIS MORNING.
[00:23:30] JOHN AND PENNSYLVANIAN, DEMOCRAT.
[00:23:32] CALLER: HI, MY OPINION OF IT, 40
[00:23:37] YEARS AGO I WAS AGAINST IT.
[00:23:39] YOU KNOW, THE COMPUTER IN THE
[00:23:41] WAY IT IS SET UP, THEY ARE
[00:23:45] FOCUSED ON ONE THING. THAT IS WHY THESE KIDS ARE
[00:23:48] COMMITTING SUICIDE. JUST LIKE YOU SAID, YOU ANSWERED
[00:23:51] MY QUESTION WITH THAT CHART YOU HAD, SUICIDE RATES ARE UP.
[00:23:57] WE MISS ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT THEY ARE EXPOSED TO.
[00:23:59] IT IS NOT GOOD. IT SHOULD NOT EVEN BE REGULATED,
[00:24:03] IT SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF, PERIOD.
[00:24:05] THE WORD SOCIAL IS NOT CORRECT.
[00:24:09] IT SHOULD SAY --
[00:24:11] HOST: IT SHOULD SAY WHAT, JOHN?
[00:24:15] CALLER: THAT IS WHAT IT SHOULD SAY.
[00:24:17] HOST: GYM AND FLORIDA, REPUBLICAN. CALLER: YEAH, GOOD MORNING.
[00:24:23] I AM USUALLY AGAINST BIG TECH, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I DO NOT
[00:24:27] REALLY UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE IT REALLY FALLS ON THE PARENTS TO
[00:24:30] PROTECT HER KIDS AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT CONSUMING HARMFUL
[00:24:34] CONTENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
[00:24:38] THE REASON THERE'S SO MANY KIDS
[00:24:39] WITH DEPRESSION IS BECAUSE THEY
[00:24:42] HAVE A WARPED SENSE OF REALITY WHERE THEY SEE THESE PICTURES OF
[00:24:46] PEOPLE IN SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEY THINK THAT IS HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE THAT IS JUST
[00:24:49] NOT THE CASE.
[00:24:51] I THINK THAT IS VERY HARMFUL, BUT I DO NOT THINK THEY SHOULD
[00:24:55] BE SUED FOR THAT. I THINK THAT IS WHAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS, AND IT SHOULD FALL
[00:24:58] BACK ON THE PARENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY DO NOT SEE HARMFUL CONTENT.
[00:25:05] HOST: TO MOSCOW, PENNSYLVANIA, AND DEPENDENT.
[00:25:09] CALLER: GOOD MORNING. FIRST OF ALL, THE LACK OF HUMAN
[00:25:12] CONTACT IS A MAJOR PART OF THE
[00:25:15] EROSION OF SANITY FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
[00:25:18] ALSO, WE ARE BASICALLY GIVING THEM A WORLD WITHOUT HOPE WITH
[00:25:23] GENOCIDE AND ARE FOR. THAT IS PART OF THE ISSUE.
[00:25:26] BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
[00:25:30] COMMENTS AND SURVIVAL WEBSITE,
[00:25:35] BASICALLY HUMAN RESILIENCE -- THE COMMON SENSE SURVIVAL WEBSITE.
[00:25:39] AND LOOKS AT PSYCHOLOGY, SLEEP
[00:25:41] HYGIENE, VITAMIN D.
[00:25:46] A LOT OF IT IS NOT HAPPENING.
[00:25:49] THE AVERAGE CHILD IS SEVEN MINUTES OUTSIDE, SEVEN HOURS IN
[00:25:52] FRONT OF A SCREEN. WE NEED TO ALSO DIRECT OUR
[00:25:56] ATTENTION TO VIDEO GAMES. WHAT ARE VIDEOGAMES DOING TO OUR
[00:25:59] KIDS LIVES, TO THEIR EMPATHY?
[00:26:02] YOU CAN LOOK AT THE RESEARCH,
[00:26:05] THERE IS A GAME CALLED ROBLOX
[00:26:09] FOR KIDS THAT HAS ELEMENTS IN IT
[00:26:10] LIKE JAILBREAK WHERE YOU COULD
[00:26:14] BE A PRISON GUARD OR ESCAPING PRISONER IRBY MAFIA AND DO
[00:26:18] BATTLE AND STEAL. I FIND IT VERY SHOCKING.
[00:26:21] AS BETTER SOCIAL MEDIA MAY BE AT
[00:26:25] MANIPULATING PEOPLE PSYCHOLOGY, ALGORITHMS DO TARGET
[00:26:29] SUSCEPTIBILITIES AND SUCH. BUT WE TO BE HONEST, OUR MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM DOES NOT
[00:26:33] REALLY WORK. THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE
[00:26:37] STARTING THE COMMON SENSE SURVIVAL, BECAUSE IT CAN GET
[00:26:40] TRAPPED IN A SYSTEM WHERE YOU ARE GIVEN PILLS THAT DO NOT
[00:26:43] REALLY WORK BY A GP WHO IS NOT
[00:26:47] QUALIFIED. HOST: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
[00:26:50] BAN AND OTHER COUNTRIES. GIVEN EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID,
[00:26:53] WOULD YOU BAN SOCIAL MEDIA FOR
[00:26:57] KIDS UNDER 16? CALLER: I WOULD LIKE TO BAN
[00:27:01] SCREENS IN GENERAL. SOCIAL MEDIA IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
[00:27:05] THERE COULD BE POSITIVE ELEMENTS OF SOCIAL MEDIA, SURE.
[00:27:08] BUT IS THEIR FINANCIAL INCENTIVE ? I WANT TO SUMMARIZE --
[00:27:13] HOST: WE HEARD YOUR POINT. PEW RESEARCH DID A POLL ON THAT
[00:27:16] QUESTION THAT I ASKED HIM.
[00:27:21] NEARLY SIX IN 10 AMERICANS SUPPORT A SOCIAL MEDIA BAN FOR
[00:27:24] THOSE UNDER 16.
[00:27:25] ANTHONY ON X, STOP USING SOCIAL
[00:27:30] MEDIA AS A SCAPEGOAT, HE SAYS.
[00:27:32] PARENTS BEAR THE BRUNT OF THE RESPONSIBILITY HERE.
[00:27:35] THEY ARE NOT POLICING THEIR CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES AS THEY SHOULD.
[00:27:40] SUSAN IN HAMPTON, VIRGINIA, REPUBLICAN.
[00:27:43] CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[00:27:48] THEY ARE CALLED TECH GROWS, AND
[00:27:51] THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT STARTED
[00:27:53] -- THEY'RE CALLED TECH BROS, THE
[00:27:56] GUYS THAT STARTED THE INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA.
[00:28:00] IF YOU LOOK IT UP, THEY DO NOT LET THEIR KIDS GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
[00:28:03] THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.
[00:28:05] MEN WHO HAVE CREATED IT DO NOT LIKE THEIR KIDS GET ON IT.
[00:28:10] AND I THINK THE CHILDREN'S THING
[00:28:13] THAT THE STATES HAVE DONE TO SUE IS A WAY TO START -- WHAT IS THE
[00:28:17] WORD HERE -- CENSORSHIP.
[00:28:24] HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[00:28:27] THIS CASE, SHE SAYS, IS A WAY TO
[00:28:32] START CENSORSHIP. THE FINANCIAL PENALTY FOR MEDA
[00:28:35] IS UP TO $18 BILLION. FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES THIS
[00:28:39] MORNING, THE FINANCIAL TERMS OF THE DEAL COULD BE CONSIDERED A
[00:28:43] BARGAIN. META PLUS CURRENT MARKET
[00:28:47] CAPITALIZATION HOVERS AROUND 1.45 TRILLION DOLLARS.
[00:28:50] THE COMPANY REPORTED A $15.85
[00:28:54] BILLION PROFIT IN ITS LAST QUARTER.
[00:28:59] YOU CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND THIS
[00:29:01] LANDMARK SETTLEMENT BY META WAS
[00:29:06] 47 STATES COMING UP AS WE GET
[00:29:08] YOUR TOP NEWS STORY OF THE DAY.
[00:29:11] LISTEN TO PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE
[00:29:13] OVAL OFFICE YESTERDAY SIGNING A
[00:29:15] DIRECTIVE THAT THE INTERIOR
[00:29:17] SECRETARY RENAME LAKE ONTARIO AS
[00:29:21] LAKE AMERICA. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:29:25] >> WHAT MESSAGE ARE YOU SENDING TO CANADA WITH THIS MOVE, AND WHY WAS IT SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU?
[00:29:30] PRES. TRUMP: INTERESTING QUESTION. NO MESSAGE.
[00:29:33] AS YOU KNOW, CANADA HAS BEEN RIPPING US OFF FOR A LONG TIME
[00:29:37] AND TRADE. EVEN THE MILITARY, WE DEFEND CANADA FOR NOTHING.
[00:29:40] THEY DON'T PAY US ANYTHING, CANADA. WE DEFEND CANADA, AND THEY
[00:29:44] UNDERSTAND THAT.
[00:29:45] AS AN EXAMPLE, WE BOUGHT
[00:29:48] ICEBREAKERS, THEY LIKE TO USE THEM, WE HAVE 11 COMING IN AND THEY LIKE TO USE THEM.
[00:29:52] THEY DO NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING.
[00:29:55] AND THEY WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE A STATE, BUT THEY ARE NOT A
[00:29:58] STATE, BUT THEY WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE A STATE. WE JUST CANNOT DO THAT ANYMORE.
[00:30:03] WE LOSE, ON AVERAGE, OVER THE
[00:30:06] LAST 15 YEARS, 16 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR CARRYING CANADA.
[00:30:09] WE CANNOT DO IT ANYMORE. WE LOVE THE PEOPLE OF CANADA.
[00:30:14] I DO NOT THINK THEIR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE DONE AN APPROPRIATE JOB. MAYBE THEY WILL CHANGE, I REALLY
[00:30:17] DO NOT KNOW. DOES NOT MAKE MUCH SENSE. BUT WE CANNOT LET THE WHOLE
[00:30:22] CANADIAN THING, IT HAS BEEN
[00:30:27] GOING ON FOR DECADES, AND IT HAS TO COME TO A STOP. SO WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING
[00:30:31] TARIFFS AT A SUBSTANTIAL LEVEL. WE WANT TO MAKE THE CARS HERE.
[00:30:35] THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN CARS IF
[00:30:37] THEY WANT, AND THEY CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE THEIR CARS FOR CANADA.
[00:30:41] BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO MAKE
[00:30:45] THE CARS FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. VERY SIMPLE. LIKEWISE WITH MANY OF THE
[00:30:49] PRODUCTS.
[00:30:52] THE LAKE CHANGE TO LAKE OF AMERICA IS SOMETHING I WAS
[00:30:55] THINKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. AS YOU KNOW, WE TOOK SOMETHING
[00:30:59] CALLED THE GULF OF MEXICO AND
[00:31:01] CHANGED IT, AND NOW IT IS VERY
[00:31:04] ROUTINELY THE GULF OF AMERICA. SO YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE HAVE A
[00:31:09] GOLF AND WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A
[00:31:12] GULF, WE HAVE A LAKE, AND NOW
[00:31:15] ALL WE NEED IS AN OCEAN, SO MAYBE WE WILL CHANGE THE NAME OF
[00:31:19] THE ATLANTIC AND/OR PACIFIC, MAYBE BOTH.
[00:31:22] HOST: THE TIT FOR TAT WITH CANADA CONTINUES THIS WEEK.
[00:31:25] WE CAN GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE
[00:31:28] TRADE WAR WITH OUR NORTHERN NEIGHBOR, AS WELL AS YOUR TOP
[00:31:31] NEWS STORY OF THE DAY.
[00:31:32] COMING UP ON THE C-SPAN NETWORK,
[00:31:35] TODAY AT 10:30 A.M. EASTERN
[00:31:38] TIME, THE NATIONAL ACTION
[00:31:41] NETWORK MARKS THE 63RD
[00:31:45] ANNIVERSARY OF THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON. THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WE WILL HEAR
[00:31:49] FROM VARIOUS PUBLIC FIGURES,
[00:31:53] INCLUDING THE REVEREND AL SHARPTON, CONGRESSIONAL BLACK
[00:31:54] CAUCUS CHAIR, THE VIRGINIA
[00:31:58] GOVERNOR, HOUSE MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES, CONGRESSWOMAN
[00:32:01] AOC, AND SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS,
[00:32:05] AMONG OTHERS. WATCH LIVE COVERAGE BEGINNING AT
[00:32:09] 10:30 A.M. EASTERN TIME ON C-SPAN AND YOU CAN ALSO WATCH AT
[00:32:12] C-SPAN NOW AN ONLINE, ON DEMAND
[00:32:15] AT C-SPAN.ORG.
[00:32:17] JOINING US NOW TO DISCUSS MORE
[00:32:20] ABOUT THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON IS REVEREND AL SHARPTON.
[00:32:24] REVEREND SHARPTON, TAKE US BACK
[00:32:26] TO AUGUST 28, 1963.
[00:32:30] GUEST: AUGUST 28, 1963, I WAS
[00:32:34] AROUND EIGHT OR NINE YEARS OLD.
[00:32:37] AND I REMEMBER THE MY FATHER,
[00:32:40] AND THIS WAS BEFORE OUR FAMILY
[00:32:43] BROKE UP, WE DROVE TO WASHINGTON. IT WAS A BIG DEAL TO HIM BECAUSE
[00:32:46] HE WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE
[00:32:48] DEEP SOUTH, IN FLORIDA.
[00:32:51] AND YOU MUST REMEMBER, IN 1963,
[00:32:55] WHEN THEY CAME TO WASHINGTON TO
[00:33:00] MARCH, THEY WERE MARCHING IN
[00:33:01] MANY CASES, MANY OF THE
[00:33:06] ATTENDEES WERE COMING FROM
[00:33:07] SEGREGATED HOMES, SEGREGATED
[00:33:11] STATES. THEY COULD NOT STOP ON THE ROAD
[00:33:13] TO USE A PUBLIC BATHROOM. THEY COULD NOT USE THE
[00:33:17] RESTAURANTS UNTIL THEY GOT ABOVE THE MASON-DIXON LINE.
[00:33:21] SO WE COME BACK TODAY, 63 YEARS
[00:33:25] LATER, WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOME
[00:33:29] BETTER PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS AND CIVIL RIGHTS, BUT OUR VOTING
[00:33:32] RIGHTS ARE NOW BEING THREATENED.
[00:33:35] THE SUPREME COURT'S ARE DEALING IN THE LATEST DECISION ON TAKING
[00:33:38] OUT THE GUT OF THE SECTION TO THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WHICH WAS
[00:33:42] THE 65 ACT, WHERE WE NOW CAN
[00:33:46] HAVE REDISTRICTING AND NO REAL
[00:33:49] WAY OF ADDRESSING THE IMBALANCE
[00:33:52] IT DOES RACIALLY, WHERE WE ARE
[00:33:54] TALKING ABOUT MAIL-IN VOTING
[00:33:58] BEING RESTRICTED WHICH AFFECTS NOT ONLY PEOPLE OF CULLER BUT
[00:34:02] SENIORS -- PEOPLE OF COLOR BUT
[00:34:07] SENIORS AND MILITARY MEN.
[00:34:09] SO WE ARE MARCHING TODAY, THE
[00:34:13] VOTING RIGHTS ACT TODAY, CIVIL
[00:34:14] RIGHTS ACT NOW WITH THIS
[00:34:18] ADMINISTRATION ELIMINATING D.E.I., WHICH MEANS WE CANNOT EVEN MEASURE WHETHER COMPANIES
[00:34:21] ARE FEDERAL AGENCIES ARE DIVERSE OR NOT, BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE
[00:34:25] KNOCKED ALL THAT OUT, SO WE ARE NOT COMING TO COMMEMORATE, WE
[00:34:28] ARE COMING TO CONTINUE AND FIGHT FOR THIS DAY AND HOUR.
[00:34:33] HOST: 63 YEARS AGO, WHAT WAS THE
[00:34:36] GOAL OF GATHERING IN WASHINGTON? AND WAS IT ACHIEVED?
[00:34:41] GUEST: 63 YEARS AGO, THE GOAL
[00:34:43] WAS TO HAVE DESEGREGATION LEGAL,
[00:34:46] TO END JIM CROW.
[00:34:48] IT WAS ACHIEVED IN TERMS OF GETTING A LAW.
[00:34:52] THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THEY GOT THE JIM CROW, GOT THE CIVIL RIGHTS
[00:34:55] ACT OF 1964. THAT WAS ACHIEVED.
[00:34:59] FOLLOWING YEAR, 1965, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
[00:35:03] ALL OF THAT TOOK ACTIONS LIKE WE DOING TODAY.
[00:35:05] IT TOOK THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON TO GALVANIZE.
[00:35:09] AND THEN WE WENT BACK SOUTH TO ORGANIZE AND CONTINUE.
[00:35:13] THAT LED TO THE 1964 ACT.
[00:35:16] IT TOOK SELMA, ALABAMA AND OTHER
[00:35:20] THINGS TO LEAD TO 1965.
[00:35:23] SO MARCHES LIKE THIS, LIKE THE
[00:35:24] MARCH THEN, ARE SHOWING THE PROBLEMS.
[00:35:28] THEN YOU GO TO THE GROUND AND ORGANIZE AROUND THE PROBLEM.
[00:35:32] TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE
[00:35:34] DEEP SOUTH ON A TOUR, DOING VOTING BRIGADES.
[00:35:38] THIS IS NOT JUST AN EVENT, IT IS
[00:35:41] THE KICK OFF OF A REAL SUMMER
[00:35:44] AND FALL OF ORGANIZING AROUND
[00:35:47] THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS. NOT AROUND PARTY BUT ARE THE POLICY.
[00:35:51] WE NEED THIS NEW CONGRESS TO
[00:35:54] COME WITH A NEW VOTING RIGHTS ACT THAT IS BULLETPROOF THROUGH
[00:35:57] THE SUPREME COURT, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ORGANIZING AROUND
[00:36:02] VOTING FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE, NOT WHO THEY BELIEVE OR WHAT PARTY
[00:36:05] THEY BELIEVE. YOU BELIEVE IN VOTING RIGHTS, IF
[00:36:09] YOU BELIEVE IN HAVING STRONG MAIL-IN BALLOTS, THAT IS WHERE
[00:36:12] WE ARE GOING TO ORGANIZE. HOST: REFERENCE SHARPTON,
[00:36:16] EXPLAIN THOSE WHO WILL BE ON THE STAGE TODAY, THE SPEAKERS YOU
[00:36:19] HAVE ASKED TO COME SPEAK AND WHY.
[00:36:22] GUEST: MARTIN LUTHER KING, III,
[00:36:27] DR. KING'S ELDEST SON, AND
[00:36:31] ANDRIY OF WATERSKIING AND I ARE COCHAIRING THIS, AND THE
[00:36:34] GRANDSON WILL BE SPEAKING -- AND
[00:36:39] MARTIN LUTHER KING'S GRANDSON WILL BE SPEAKING.
[00:36:41] THIS IS NOT A ONE-SIDED EVENT. YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR FROM
[00:36:45] VIRGINIA.
[00:36:46] YOU HAVE THE MINORITY LEADER OF
[00:36:50] THE HOUSE, HAKEEM JEFFRIES. YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF THE
[00:36:53] CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS.
[00:36:55] YOU HAVE THOSE THAT ARE CONSIDERED MORE PROGRESSIVE,
[00:36:58] SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS IS
[00:36:59] SPEAKING, CONGRESSWOMAN
[00:37:03] ALEXANDRIA BECAUSE JO CORTES IS SPEAKING.
[00:37:05] YOU HAVE FAITH LEADERS, AFRICAN-AMERICAN, JEWISH, AND
[00:37:10] MUSLIM.
[00:37:11] THE IDEA IS TO SAY THAT WE DO
[00:37:14] NOT ALL HAVE TO AGREE ON
[00:37:17] EVERYTHING, BUT WE DO AGREE THAT
[00:37:20] VOTING RIGHTS MUST BE RESTORED FOR EVERYONE AND PROTECTED FOR
[00:37:25] EVERYONE, AND THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE FIGHT FOR A
[00:37:28] DIVERSIFIED AMERICA APPEARED IN THE THIRD POINT, OF COURSE, IS
[00:37:31] THE HEALTH CARE BILL, WHICH DEALS WITH AFFORDABILITY.
[00:37:35] SO WE ARE TRYING TO SHOW TODAY
[00:37:37] WHERE WE CAN AGREE IT IS
[00:37:42] IMPORTANT, WE CAN DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE.
[00:37:46] HOST: REVEREND AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST, THANK YOU
[00:37:50] VERY MUCH. GUEST: THANK YOU.
[00:37:53] HOST: WE ARE COVERING THE MARCH
[00:37:56] ON WASHINGTON, THE 63RD
[00:37:59] ANNIVERSARY, 10:30 A.M. EASTERN TIME RIGHT HERE ON C-SPAN OR OUR
[00:38:03] FREE VIDEO AND MOBILE APP C-SPAN
[00:38:05] NOW, AND ONLINE, ON DEMAND AT
[00:38:10] C-SPAN.ORG. GEORGE IN ATLANTA, INDEPENDENT CALL.
[00:38:13] WE WANT TO KNOW YOUR TOP NEWS STORY OF THE DAY. WHAT IS IT?
[00:38:21] CALLER: GOOD MORNING. IN GENERAL, MY TOP NEWS STORY IS
[00:38:24] THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH CARE.
[00:38:26] I THINK I'LL SHARPTON WAS SAYING IT AT THE END OVER THERE, AND I
[00:38:30] WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT.
[00:38:32] BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A REAL, REAL BIG ISSUE.
[00:38:36] I ALSO THINK THERE IS ANOTHER
[00:38:38] ISSUE, WHICH IS WE ARE SEEING
[00:38:43] MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TURN TO
[00:38:45] ALTERNATIVE REMEDIES, WITH HOMEMADE VACCINES IN SOME CASES.
[00:38:49] PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED
[00:38:52] OF THE PRICE. SORRY, JUST CATCHING MY BREATH.
[00:38:57] SO PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO THE DOCTOR, AND THEY ARE TURNING
[00:39:01] TO ALTERNATIVE REMEDIES WHICH CAN BE VERY HARMFUL IN SOME
[00:39:05] CASES. FOR INSTANCE, LAST NIGHT, SOMEONE GAVE ME A PROSTATE EXAM --
[00:39:09] HOST BUT OK, WE WILL GO TO
[00:39:12] MICHIGAN, REPUBLICAN CALLER. MOVING ON. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[00:39:16] I WAS JUST NOTICING THE PICTURE
[00:39:18] THERE FROM 1963, HOW MANY PEOPLE
[00:39:22] WERE GATHERED AROUND THE REFLECTING POOL, WHICH AT THE
[00:39:26] TIME IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS REFLECTING, NOW IT IS A GREEN MESS.
[00:39:29] AND IF YOU GO THERE NOW, THE
[00:39:33] CLOWN WE HAVE AN OFFICE WILL ARREST YOU. THAT'S IT.
[00:39:37] HOST: LARRY, BOWLING GREEN, KENTUCKY, DEMOCRATIC CALLER.
[00:39:41] TOP NEWS STORY OF THE DAY. CALLER: GOOD MORNING, GRETA.
[00:39:44] IT IS ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT.
[00:39:47] I THINK IT IS BLACKMAIL TO THE
[00:39:51] CONSTITUTION.
[00:39:54] ONE, THIS IS A PAGE OUT OF CARL
[00:39:57] MARXIST COMMUNISM, ALL ABOUT
[00:40:00] NAZISM, AND AN ATTACK AGAINST A
[00:40:06] FIRST AMENDMENT OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. IT IS BIG BROTHER STICKING ITS
[00:40:09] NOSE AND ANOTHER PART OF ANATOMY
[00:40:12] ANATOMY INTO OUR LIVES.
[00:40:15] GOD BLESS BILL GATES, JEFF
[00:40:17] BEZOS, AND ELON MUSK, PART OF THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM IN AMERICA.
[00:40:23] I ALWAYS FOUGHT AGAINST ACLU --
[00:40:28] WHERE I COULD JOIN THE ACLU.
[00:40:30] THIS IS ANOTHER ATTACKED ON OUR FIRST AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL
[00:40:35] RIGHTS. I WILL PUT YOU IN THE TIME MACHINE.
[00:40:40] REMEMBER, MY FELLOW LISTENERS,
[00:40:41] WHAT TIPPER GORE TRIED TO DO BY
[00:40:46] PUTTING CENSORSHIP LABELS ON THE
[00:40:47] MUSIC WE LISTEN TO?
[00:40:51] SHE WAS BEING HYPOCRITICAL
[00:40:53] BECAUSE SHE COMES TO THE MUSIC CAPITOL OF THE WORLD.
[00:40:56] THIS IS ANOTHER PART OF BIG BROTHER LOOKING OVER OUR
[00:40:59] SHOULDERS AND SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
[00:41:04] THIS IS COMMUNISM AND CENSORSHIP INVADING AMERICA.
[00:41:07] AND DONALD TRUMP WILL ALWAYS BE
[00:41:11] A RACIST, PREDATOR JUST SPEAK IT, AND NARCISSIST, AND
[00:41:15] ANTICHRIST. I HATE TO SEE AMERICA BEING
[00:41:18] TAKEN OVER BY COMMUNISM AND NAZISM.
[00:41:23] THIS IS AN ATTACK AGAINST A FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM, OUR FIRST
[00:41:26] AMENDMENT RIGHTS. HOST: ALL RIGHT, LARRY THERE IN KENTUCKY.
[00:41:29] FROM PAGE OF USA TODAY.
[00:41:31] SUSAN PAGE WRITES, WILL WAR HUNT TRUMP'S LEGACY?
[00:41:36] AT THE SIX MONTH MARK IN IRAN,
[00:41:38] LESSONS HAVE BEEN STARK.
[00:41:41] PRESIDENT TRUMP GAVE AN UPDATE ON THE CONFLICT WITH IRAN YESTERDAY.
[00:41:45] HERE IS WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:41:48] PRES. TRUMP: IRAN, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT PAYING THEIR
[00:41:52] TROOPS, AND THEY ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE CAPACITY.
[00:41:57] LESS TIME, WE TOOK 24 BOATS THROUGH THE STRAIT.
[00:42:00] WE TAKE THEM THROUGH ALL THE TIME, VERY OPENLY.
[00:42:03] DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE FINISHED WITH THE MILITARY, BUT THE
[00:42:06] STRAIT IS OPEN, AS YOU KNOW.
[00:42:09] THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ IS OPEN. WE HAVE CONTROL, AND WE HAVE THE BLOCKADE.
[00:42:14] IRAN IS NOT GETTING ANYTHING, NOTHING IS GOING THROUGH, NOT ONE SHIP.
[00:42:19] >> WILL YOU PUNISH RUSSIAN THAT THEY CONTINUE -- PRES. TRUMP: IT DEPENDS.
[00:42:23] I THINK RUSSIA HAS BEHAVED QUITE WELL HAVING TO DO WITH THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ.
[00:42:27] YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO, WE DO ALSO.
[00:42:30] SOME SAY, WHAT ABOUT CHINA?
[00:42:33] WE HEAR THEY ARE SPYING.
[00:42:35] WE SPY ON THEM, TOO.
[00:42:38] >> WHAT ABOUT SANCTIONING CHINESE BANKS THOUGH?
[00:42:44] HOPE PRES. TRUMP: WHO SAID I AM NOT. YOU DON'T KNOW IF I AM DOING IT.
[00:42:47] I DON'T HAVE TO ANNOUNCE EVERYTHING, DO I?
[00:42:51] HOST: PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE OVAL OFFICE YESTERDAY ON THE
[00:42:55] SITUATION WITH IRAN. FRANCE 24 WITH THE HEADLINE,
[00:42:58] IRAN CALLS ON TRUMP'S LIES ABOUT
[00:43:02] U.S. CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. A SPOKESMAN FOR THE MILITARY
[00:43:05] COMMAND ON THURSDAY CALLED OUT THE PRESIDENT FOR LIES AND
[00:43:09] FABRICATIONS AFTER HE CLAIMED ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT WASHINGTON HAD
[00:43:12] TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. IRAN HAS MAINTAINED CONTROL OF
[00:43:16] THE STRAIT, A VITAL ENERGY CONDUIT, SINCE THE OUTBREAK OF
[00:43:20] THE WAR ON FEBRUARY 28.
[00:43:24] SIX MONTHS IS MARKED THIS WEEK OF THE CONFLICT WITH IRAN.
[00:43:27] THAT IS ALSO ON THE TABLE AS THE TOP NEWS STORY OF THE DAY.
[00:43:31] KAY IN MICHIGAN, REPUBLICAN.
[00:43:37] CALLER: FIRST OF ALL, I AM WONDERING, WITH THE REVEREND AL
[00:43:40] SHARPTON, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE ASKED LIKE HOW MANY BLACK FAMILIES WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPED
[00:43:44] IF HE WOULD HAVE PAID HIS BACK
[00:43:47] TAXES, AND THEN REGARDING THE
[00:43:49] LAKE OF AMERICA, I ACTUALLY LOVE
[00:43:53] IT. NOW I AM WAITING FOR THE
[00:43:57] RENAMING OF THE CANADIAN GEESE.
[00:44:00] THEY WILL NOW BE KNOWN AS DONALD DUCK. ANYWAY, HAVE A GREAT DAY.
[00:44:05] WE LOVE DONALD TRUMP. HOST: GEORGE IN NEW YORK, DEMOCRAT.
[00:44:09] CALLER: GOOD MORNING, GRETA. THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN.
[00:44:12] MY TOPIC TODAY IS THE 18 BILLION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT WITH META.
[00:44:16] I AM REMINDED THAT SOMETIME
[00:44:19] AROUND 1980, THE COURTS DECIDED
[00:44:22] THAT AT&T WAS A MONOPOLY AND THE
[00:44:24] SOLUTION WAS TO BREAK IT INTO EIGHT COMPANIES.
[00:44:27] I THINK A SIMILAR THING SHOULD BE DONE WITH META, WITH THE
[00:44:31] ADDITIONAL PROVISION THAT THE
[00:44:33] OWNERS OF META, NAMELY MR.
[00:44:36] ZUCKERBERG, WOULD BE PROHIBITED
[00:44:39] FROM OWNING MORE THAN 20% OF THE
[00:44:42] STOCK OF ANY OF THE EIGHT SUBSEQUENT COMPANIES.
[00:44:45] THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[00:44:47] HOST: CATHERINE, BURLINGTON, NEW JERSEY, DEMOCRAT.
[00:44:50] CALLER: GOOD MORNING AGAIN, SHOUT OUT TO REVEREND AL
[00:44:55] SHARPTON. AFTER 63 YEARS, I CANNOT BELIEVE
[00:44:59] THAT WE NEED ANOTHER MARCH ON WASHINGTON BECAUSE OUR VOTING
[00:45:03] RIGHTS ARE BEING ATTACKED AGAIN.
[00:45:05] IN THE SAVE ACT IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY, GRETA.
[00:45:13] THE STUMBLE CONTINUES FOR A VOTER'S RIGHTS IN AMERICA.
[00:45:17] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HOST: FROM THE WALL STREET
[00:45:19] JOURNAL, REPORTING THIS MORNING, KENNEDY CENTER DOUBLES DOWN ON
[00:45:24] FIGHT ON TRUMP'S NAME. THE SAME JUDGE WHO PREVIOUSLY
[00:45:29] ORDERED TRUMP'S NAMES BE TAKEN DOWN IS CONSIDERING A NEW
[00:45:33] ATTEMPT TO ADD IT BACK.
[00:45:36] THE COMMERCE SECRETARY, HOWARD LUTNICK, WHO THE PRESIDENT
[00:45:39] TAPPED TO OVERSEE THE KENNEDY RENAMING AND RENOVATIONS WAS
[00:45:43] OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM YESTERDAY TALKING TO REPORTERS ABOUT THIS
[00:45:46] LATEST EFFORT BY THE PRESIDENT
[00:45:49] AND THE KENNEDY BOARD, WHO THE PRESIDENT REPLACED.
[00:45:53] HERE IS WHAT MR. LUTNICK HAD TO SAY. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:45:58] >> BASICALLY SAYING, IF IT IS GOING TO BE UNSAFE, WHAT ARE WE
[00:46:01] GOING TO BOOT -- DO ABOUT IT?
[00:46:04] WE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE FROM THE BILL IF THEY AGREE TO CLOSE IT
[00:46:07] AND LET HIM RENOVATE IT. IF THEY DO NOT AGREE TO LET HIM
[00:46:11] CLOSE AND RENOVATE, BECAUSE THE COURTS STEP IN, WHAT DO YOU WANT
[00:46:15] THE GUY TO DO? HE IS ONLY PRESIDENT FOR TWO AND HALF YEARS.
[00:46:18] HE IS GOING TO STEP AWAY, AS, CORRECTLY, YOU WOULD THINK YOU
[00:46:22] WOULD BECAUSE HE WILL NOT DO ONE THIRD OF THE RENOVATION.
[00:46:26] EVENTUALLY, THIS BUILDING WILL FALL INTO HORRIBLE DISREPAIR AND BE VERY DANGEROUS.
[00:46:29] AND THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, ULTIMATELY IT NEEDS TO
[00:46:32] BE RENOVATED AND WE ALL KNOW IT.
[00:46:39] >> DOES THE BOARD WANT TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT CREDIT FOR THE
[00:46:43] RENOVATION AND PUT HIS NAME ON IT, WHY NOT DO THAT IN TWO YEARS
[00:46:47] AFTER THE RENOVATION IS DONE? ISN'T THAT HOW IT USUALLY WORKS?
[00:46:51] >> ACTUALLY, IT IS NOT USUALLY HOW IT WORKS.
[00:46:53] THE IDEA, WHEN HE HAD THE GREATEST PHILANTHROPIST, THAT
[00:46:56] GUY IS GOING TO RAISE YOU $500
[00:47:01] MILLION, YOU JUST NEED HIM TO AGREE. WHATEVER THE TERMS ARE, SINCE YOU KNOW HE IS THE MOST CREDIBLE
[00:47:04] PERSON IN THE WORLD, WHEN HE SAYS I AM GOING TO RAISE THE MONEY, YOU KNOW HE IS GOING TO
[00:47:09] RAISE THE MONEY. YOU NEED TO ENTICE IT, GET HIM
[00:47:13] TO AGREE TO WEAR IT AND DO IT. AND THE BOARD HAS MADE THAT
[00:47:17] DECISION. IT IS A PRUDENT DECISION TO THE BOARD.
[00:47:19] I LISTENED TO THE BOARD DISCUSS IT. IT IS VERY PRUDENT.
[00:47:24] IT THEY SAID, WELL, MAYBE I WILL DO IT LATER.
[00:47:27] OK, MAYBE HE WILL RAISE THE MONEY LATER.
[00:47:30] THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT WORKS. YOU MAKE AN AGREEMENT AND SHAKE
[00:47:33] HANDS WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP TO
[00:47:36] RAISE YOU $5 MILLION, THE BOARD IS INDUCING HIM, SAYING I WILL
[00:47:39] ACKNOWLEDGE YOU IF YOU RAISE ME THE MONEY. COMMIT TO RAISE ME THE MONEY,
[00:47:43] AND I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE YOU. IF HE COMMITS TO RAISE THE MONEY, I WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE HIM.
[00:47:48] I WOULD DO IT IN A MINUTE. HOW MUCH DO LETTERS COST?
[00:47:51] AND IF HE DID NOT DO IT, YOU COULD ALWAYS TAKE THE LETTERS DOWN. HE IS GOING TO DO IT.
[00:47:55] HE IS THE PRESIDENT. HE DELIVERS EVERY TIME HE SAYS IT.
[00:48:01] HOST: HOWARD LUTNICK YESTERDAY TALKING TO REPORTERS ABOUT THE
[00:48:04] LATEST EFFORT BY THE PRESIDENT TO GET HIS NAME ON THE KENNEDY CENTER.
[00:48:08] IF YOU MISSED ANY OF THAT AND WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM THE
[00:48:11] COMMERCE SECRETARY, GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND FIND IT AT C-SPAN.ORG.
[00:48:17] ROCCO IS IN GEORGIA, REPUBLICAN. WHAT IS YOUR TOP NEWS STORY OF
[00:48:21] THE DAY? CALLER: MORNING.
[00:48:24] I HAVE BEEN WATCHING FOR WEEKS NOW. ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING
[00:48:27] ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS.
[00:48:31] SO, THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT DATA CENTERS,
[00:48:34] THE AVERAGE PERSON ACCESSES A
[00:48:39] DATACENTER 100 TIMES PER DAY.
[00:48:41] SO IF YOU OWN AN IPHONE, IF YOU
[00:48:45] OWN A GALAXY PHONE, AND YOU ARE
[00:48:48] AGAINST DATA CENTERS, I WANT YOU TO TAKE THOSE TELEPHONES AND
[00:48:52] THROW THEM IN THE TRASH CAN AND GET A FLIP PHONE.
[00:48:55] BECAUSE IT IS HYPOCRITICAL OF
[00:48:57] PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACCESS TO
[00:48:59] IPHONES TO NOT WANT DATA CENTERS.
[00:49:01] THERE ARE PLENTY OF SPACES IN
[00:49:04] THIS WIDE OPEN COUNTRY, FROM
[00:49:06] COAST TO COAST, TO PUT DATA CENTERS.
[00:49:10] HOST: SHOULD THESE COMPANIES,
[00:49:13] THESE AI COMPANIES PAY FOR THE ELECTRICITY THEY ARE GOING TO USE?
[00:49:17] CALLER: YES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE
[00:49:19] SELF SUSTAINING POWER PLANTS AT THE DOUBT -- AT THE DATA
[00:49:23] CENTERS. THERE IS ONE NEAR WHERE I LIVE.
[00:49:25] IT IS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
[00:49:29] THERE WAS NOTHING BUT TUMBLEWEEDS AND BRUSH OUT THERE, AND NOW THERE IS A FUNCTIONING DATA CENTER.
[00:49:33] IT IS NOT HURTING ANYBODY. BUT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
[00:49:38] IPHONES AND PHONES AND TV'S AND
[00:49:42] ARE GOING TO THE INTERNET, ALL
[00:49:45] THAT RUNS THROUGH THE DATA CENTERS.
[00:49:47] IT IS JUST A BUNCH OF HYPE THAT PEOPLE HAVE FELL INTO.
[00:49:52] HOST: ALL RIGHT, ROCCO.
[00:49:53] LET'S GO TO ED IN NEW YORK,
[00:50:00] DEMOCRAT. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT
[00:50:03] NAMING THEIR AIRCRAFT CARRIER
[00:50:06] AFTER DONALD TRUMP. I HAVE HEARD THAT THAT IS A
[00:50:10] POSSIBILITY.
[00:50:11] ONE, I AM AGAINST IT BECAUSE HE
[00:50:15] IS LIVING. TWO, HE IS A DRAFT DODGER, SO HE
[00:50:19] HAS NO BUSINESS HAVING A CARRIER NAMED AFTER HIM.
[00:50:21] IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NAMED DORI
[00:50:27] MILLER, WHICH IS BETTER, BUT IT
[00:50:29] IS INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE THAT IS
[00:50:33] AFTER A HERO OF WORLD WAR II AND
[00:50:36] THERE'S OTHER HEROES OF THE WAR
[00:50:40] GIVEN THE NAME OF A DESTROYER
[00:50:44] LIKE THE SULLIVANS OR DANIEL
[00:50:48] INOUYE. BETTER NAME ONE AFTER A LIVING
[00:50:53] PRESIDENT AND ONE LIKE TRUMP?
[00:50:58] PLEASE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO NAME IT
[00:51:01] AFTER A LIVING PRESIDENT, MAKE
[00:51:03] THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME.
[00:51:06] NAME THEM AFTER JOE BIDEN.
[00:51:09] OR IF YOU HAVE TO NAME IT AFTER
[00:51:11] BIDEN -- I MEAN, NAME IT AFTER
[00:51:16] TRUMP, HOW ABOUT THE USS BONE
[00:51:20] SPURS? THANK YOU. HOST: ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GETTING YOUR TOP NEWS
[00:51:24] STORY OF THE DAY. REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001.
[00:51:27] DEMOCRATS, (202) 748-8000.
[00:51:29] INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
[00:51:35] WHAT WILL DRIVE THE NEWS CYCLE
[00:51:39] TOMORROW? WALL STREET IS ANTICIPATING
[00:51:40] REMARKS FROM THE FED CHAIR,
[00:51:45] KEVIN WARSH, WHO IS GIVING HIS FIRST KEYNOTE ADDRESS AT THE
[00:51:49] JACKSON HOLE ECONOMIC POLICY
[00:51:52] SYMPOSIUM, AN ANNUAL EVENT HOSTED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE
[00:51:55] BANK OF KANSAS CITY AND WYOMING,
[00:51:58] WITH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND FINANCIAL INDUSTRY LEADERS.
[00:52:01] CHAIRMAN WARSH WILL DISCUSS
[00:52:02] MONETARY POLICY THREE MONTHS
[00:52:06] INTO HIS TENURE AS HEAD OF THE CENTRAL BANK.
[00:52:08] YOU CAN WATCH LIVE AT 10:00 A.M.
[00:52:10] EASTERN TIME ON C-SPAN, C-SPAN
[00:52:14] NOW, AND ONLINE, ON DEMAND AT C-SPAN.ORG.
[00:52:18] WALL STREET JOURNAL THIS MORNING, BESSENT TESTS
[00:52:21] BOUNDARIES WITH THE FED. IT SAYS THAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE
[00:52:26] CHAIR -- KEVIN WARSH TAKES THE
[00:52:30] STATE OR FRIDAY AND JACKSON HOLE WITH AN UNUSUAL PRESENCE LOOMING
[00:52:32] OVER HIM, A TREASURY SECRETARY
[00:52:35] STEPPING CLOSER TO TERRAIN LONG TREATED AS THE FEDS.
[00:52:39] THE OVERLAP FIGURES TO BE AMONG THE MOST DISCUSSED SUBJECTS
[00:52:43] AMONG CENTRAL BANKERS ON THE SIDELINES OF THE KANSAS CITY
[00:52:46] FED'S ANNUAL SYMPOSIUM. PUSHED FAR ENOUGH, IT RISKS
[00:52:50] BLURRING THE LINE BETWEEN THE CENTRAL BANK IN THE ADMINISTRATION.
[00:52:53] THE FED SETS POLICY TO MANAGE
[00:52:56] INFLATION AND EMPLOYMENT, NOT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE
[00:53:00] GOVERNMENT TO FUND ITSELF.
[00:53:03] WALL STREET AND ECONOMIC ANALYST
[00:53:06] WILL ALSO BE WATCHING TO HEAR WHAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR
[00:53:09] KEVIN WARSH HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE
[00:53:11] NEXT MEETING OF THE FED AND
[00:53:13] WHETHER OR NOT THEY INCREASE
[00:53:17] INTEREST RATES. TUNE IN TODAY AT 10:00 A.M.
[00:53:19] EASTERN TIME, RIGHT HERE ON
[00:53:21] C-SPAN, C-SPAN NOW, AND ONLINE AT C-SPAN.ORG.
[00:53:27] NATE IN FRANKLIN, INDIANA, REPUBLICAN.
[00:53:30] GOOD MORNING. CALLER: YES, GOOD MORNING.
[00:53:34] HEY, JUST WHAT WE WERE ALL WAITING ON TO MAKE OUR LIVES
[00:53:38] BETTER, AND THAT IS THE RENAMING
[00:53:40] OF THE LAKE ONTARIO.
[00:53:43] IT IS WONDERFUL. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD BE
[00:53:46] MORE WORRIED ABOUT?
[00:53:48] LET ME SPEAK TO ALL MY FELLOW
[00:53:52] SENIORS.
[00:53:53] IN 2032, IT IS CURRENT LAW THAT
[00:53:59] WHEN SOCIAL SECURITY RUNS OUT OF
[00:54:03] FUNDS, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A
[00:54:05] 22% CUT.
[00:54:08] IF YOU ARE GETTING $1000, SOCIAL
[00:54:12] SECURITY WILL BE $780.
[00:54:16] IF YOU ARE GETTING $2000, GOING
[00:54:19] TO BE $1560.
[00:54:24] THAT IS CURRENT LAW, AND
[00:54:27] NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THIS PRESIDENT IS NOT DOING
[00:54:30] ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
[00:54:32] IT IS NOT PART OF ANY OF THESE CAMPAIGNS.
[00:54:38] 2032 IS COMING SOONER THAN WE THINK. AND WE'RE DOING JUST THE OPPOSITE.
[00:54:42] YOU KNOW, LAST MONTH, IN THE
[00:54:44] MONTH OF JULY, WE ADDED $432
[00:54:51] BILLION TO THE NATIONAL DEBT, IN ONE MONTH.
[00:54:56] AND THIS PRESIDENT IS ON HIS WAY
[00:54:58] TO BECOMING A $19 TRILLION
[00:55:03] PRESIDENT. EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH,
[00:55:06] HE IS SPENDING MONEY.
[00:55:08] WHAT DOES IT COST TO CHANGE THE
[00:55:11] NAME OF A LAKE, ONLY TO HAVE IT
[00:55:14] CHANGED BACK WITH THE NEXT PRESIDENT? HOST: I HAVE GOT TO LEAVE IT
[00:55:18] THERE BECAUSE LEONARD IS WAITING IN VIRGINIA, DEMOCRAT.
[00:55:21] CALLER: GOOD MORNING, GRETA.
[00:55:23] THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[00:55:27] PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY LOVE DONALD TRUMP, IT IS SAID.
[00:55:30] HE IS SITTING UP HERE SAYING
[00:55:36] THAT PEOPLE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THE BALLROOM.
[00:55:38] HERE WE ARE, TAXPAYERS, PAYING FOR THE BALLROOM.
[00:55:43] AND THEN OK, KENNEDY CENTER.
[00:55:47] THIS MAN, HE WILL TEAR THINGS
[00:55:53] DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PUTTING HIS NAME UP ON IT.
[00:55:57] HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING UNTIL THEY DECIDED TO TAKE HIS NAME DOWN.
[00:56:00] IT IS SAID. I WANT TO TELL MY REPUBLICAN
[00:56:04] FRIENDS ON THE OTHERS I, I LOVE
[00:56:06] REPUBLICAN PEOPLE, HAVE REPUBLICAN FRIENDS.
[00:56:10] I AM A DEMOCRAT, BUT I DO NOT
[00:56:12] SEE -- HE IS ALL FOR HIMSELF AND
[00:56:15] HIS FAMILY AND PEOPLE AROUND HIM.
[00:56:20] AND I KNOW HE IS NOT PLANNING ON LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE.
[00:56:24] WHEN IT IS READY FOR HIS TERM TO BE UP, THAT IS WHY HE IS DOING
[00:56:27] WHAT HE IS DOING, HE IS NOT GOING TO LEAVE. HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[00:56:32] A COUPLE OTHER STORIES TO SHARE. CONGRESS IS OUT ON THEIR SUMMER
[00:56:37] RECESS.
[00:56:38] BUT THE FAUCI CONTEMPT AND
[00:56:43] PROSECUTION OF THAT IS INSTALLED. WALL STREET JOURNAL IS REPORTING
[00:56:47] THAT THE EFFORT TO HAVE THE VICE PRESIDENT CERTIFIED THIS
[00:56:50] CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS AND GO AROUND A FULL VOTE ON THE SENATE
[00:56:54] FLOOR HAS NOT HAPPENED IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT TAKEN
[00:56:58] ANY ACTION YET. ALSO SHARE WITH YOU THIS ABOUT
[00:57:01] COMING UP, WHEN CONGRESS RETURNS, FROM THE NEW YORK
[00:57:05] TIMES, SENATE DEMOCRATS ARE PLANNING TO FORCE A VOTE ON
[00:57:09] ISRAEL'S HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE, THE EFFORT LED BY SENATOR CHRIS VAN
[00:57:13] HOLLEN, DEMOCRAT OF MARYLAND, PLANS TO INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION
[00:57:16] THAT WOULD ORDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE CONGRESS WITH A DETAILED
[00:57:20] ACCOUNTING OF ISRAEL'S HUMAN RIGHTS PRACTICES IN THE WEST BANK, LAYING THE GROUNDWORK TO
[00:57:24] FORCE A VOTE IN THE MATTER OF COMING WEEKS.
[00:57:28] MORE ON THAT, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS
[00:57:30] TUNE INTO OUR GAVEL-TO-GAVEL COVERAGE OF THE SENATE ON
[00:57:34] C-SPAN2.
[00:57:36] COMING UP LATER, FORMER CIVIL
[00:57:41] SERVANTS MAUREEN KLOVERS AND APRIL HARDING DISCUSS THEIR ORGANIZATION'S WE THE DOERS NEW
[00:57:45] REPORT ON EXAMINING THE FIRING OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEE AND
[00:57:48] IMPROVING THE PROCESS. FIRST, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR,
[00:57:52] AUTHOR, AND TALKSHOW HOST ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS DISCUSSES
[00:57:56] CAMPAIGN 2026 AND POLITICAL NEWS OF THE DAY. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. ♪
[00:58:04] >> C-SPAN IS AS UNBIASE YOU
[00:58:09] CAN GET. >> YOU ARE SO FAIR, I DO NOT
[00:58:12] KNOW HOW ANYBODY CAN SAY OTHERWISE. >> YOU GUYS DO THE MOST IMPORTANT WORK FOR EVERYONE IN
[00:58:16] THIS COUNTRY. >> I LOVE C-SPAN BECAUSE I GET TO HEAR ALL THE VOICES. >> YOU BRING THESE DIVERGENT VIEWPOINTS AND PRESENT BOTH
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[00:58:26] >> I HAVE WATCHED C-SPAN EVERY
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[00:58:34] WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR COMMENTS.
[00:58:37] >> THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN HEAR
[00:58:42] HONEST OPINIONS OF AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> YOU GUYS AT C-SPAN ARE DOING
[00:58:46] SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB OF ALLOWING FREE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, WITHOUT A LOT OF INTERRUPTION.
[00:58:49] >> THANK YOU, C-SPAN, FOR BEING
[00:58:50] A LIGHT IN THE DARK.
[00:58:59] >> CAMPAIGN 2026 IS UNDERWAY,
[00:59:01] AND THE STAKES CANNOT BE HIGHER. EVERY SEAT IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF
[00:59:06] REPRESENTATIVES IS UP FOR GRABS,
[00:59:07] ALONG WITH 33 U.S. SENATE RACES.
[00:59:10] AND THE OUTCOME OF BOTH COULD RESHAPE THE BALANCE OF POWER IN WASHINGTON.
[00:59:14] VOTERS WILL ALSO DECIDE 36 GUBERNATORIAL CONTESTS.
[00:59:18] FROM THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TO
[00:59:21] ELECTION NIGHT, FOLLOW CAMPAIGN
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[01:00:00] >> "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" CONTINUES.
[01:00:02] HOST: WE WANT TO WELCOME BACK TO THE "WASHINGTON JOURNAL"
[01:00:06] ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, COLUMNIST, TV TALK SHOW HOST, ENTREPRENEUR,
[01:00:10] OWNER OF THE BALTIMORE SUN,
[01:00:12] WHICH HE BROUGHT WITH HIM TODAY
[01:00:15] AND I WILL PUT ON THE CAMERA TO SHOW THE PEOPLE SO THEY CAN SEE
[01:00:18] THE FRONT PAGE. I WANT TO START WITH CAMPAIGN 2026 THOUGH.
[01:00:23] ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, WHERE DO YOU
[01:00:25] SEE THIS HAD IT
[01:00:29] >> I THINK THE FACT THAT JARED
[01:00:38] KUSHNER AND THE HOUSE MINORITY
[01:00:41] LEADER, HAKEEM JEFFRIES, MET PRIVATELY I THINK THAT'S AN
[01:00:45] INDICATION FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
[01:00:48] THAT THE POLL NUMBERS SHOW THEM THEY COULD LOSE THE HOUSE BY A
[01:00:52] WIDE MARGIN AND THE PRESIDENT
[01:00:55] REALIZES THAT WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER.
[01:00:58] IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND COMMON GROUND NOT FOR THE POLITICAL
[01:01:02] PARTIES BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[01:01:05] BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE LOST THE
[01:01:08] FAITH IN THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE MILLIONS WHO CONTINUE
[01:01:13] TO STRUGGLE IN THE ECONOMY. I THINK THE REPUBLICANS, NO
[01:01:15] MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SAY THE OTHER SENATE SEATS ARE IN PLAY,
[01:01:19] I THINK THEY WILL MAINTAIN THE
[01:01:22] SENATE, BUT TRUMP -- IT WILL BE
[01:01:26] A DIFFERENT WORLD IF HE LOSES THE HOUSE. A VASTLY DIFFERENT WORLD.
[01:01:29] I SAW RECENTLY WHERE AL GREENE
[01:01:32] WAS BACK UP TO HIS OLD TRICKS
[01:01:35] TRYING TO PUSH ANOTHER IMPEACHMENT.
[01:01:38] IF YOU NOTICE ON THE LEFT, THE
[01:01:41] AOCS, WHO WERE THE PROGRESSIVES
[01:01:47] IN THE PARTIES, THEY HAVE TAMED THEMSELVES.
[01:01:51] SHE HAS PRESIDENTIAL WISHES, AND
[01:01:54] SO SHE'S CHANGING THE NARRATIVE.
[01:01:56] HOST: IF THE REPUBLICANS LOSE
[01:02:00] THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, WHY
[01:02:01] WILL THAT HAVE BEEN THE CASE?
[01:02:04] GUEST: I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT
[01:02:07] FOR THE PRESIDENT, I MUST SAY THAT. I THINK HE'S DONE A LOT OF GOOD.
[01:02:11] I LIVE IN WASHINGTON D.C., I HAPPENED TO WALK TO THE STUDIOS,
[01:02:15] WASHINGTON D.C. IS THE SAFEST
[01:02:18] I'VE KNOWN IT TO BE.
[01:02:20] CROWN -- CRIME IS DOWN,
[01:02:26] HOMELESSNESS, THE PRESIDENT'S TARIFFS HAVE NOT WORKED FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[01:02:30] THE MOST RECENT WITH CANADA,
[01:02:34] AMERICANS FEEL THIS AT THE POCKETBOOK. THE TARIFFS HAVE BEEN GOING FOR
[01:02:38] OVER A YEAR NOW. AND THE PRESIDENT SAID TRUST
[01:02:41] HIM, AND THE PEOPLE TRUSTED HIM.
[01:02:44] BUT THE POCKETBOOK ISSUES IS
[01:02:46] UNBELIEVABLE, PAYING FOR DRUG
[01:02:48] COSTS, GROCERIES, EVEN THE PRESIDENT SAID A WEEK OR SO AGO,
[01:02:52] THIS IS GOING TO BE A NEW NORMAL, FUEL PRICES ARE GOING TO
[01:02:56] SORE. HE MAY FEEL AS THOUGH AMERICANS ACCEPT THAT AND THEY GROWL.
[01:03:00] IT'S HOW MUCH IS LEFT IN THE BANK ACCOUNT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
[01:03:04] THE SAME REASON, JOE BIDEN LOST, THE POCKETBOOK ISSUES.
[01:03:08] I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN DO, OR THE WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS TO
[01:03:12] CHANGE THAT. AND ALSO, THE PRESIDENT IS
[01:03:15] LOSING A LOT OF THE GLUE THAT HELD THIS TOGETHER.
[01:03:19] HE'S GOING AFTER CASSIDY --
[01:03:23] HOST: BILL CASSIDY OF
[01:03:27] LOUISIANAS. >> JOHN CORNYN IN TEXAS.
[01:03:30] TILLIS IS NOT SEEKING RE-ELECTION.
[01:03:33] YOU CAN ONLY ATTACK YOUR ALLIES UNTIL THEY IN THEIR OWN WAY
[01:03:37] PRIVATELY RETALIATE.
[01:03:39] WE SAW THAT WITH TODD BLANCHE.
[01:03:42] HE HAD TO SIGN THE LETTER THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD NOT
[01:03:46] WEAPONIZE JANUARY 6TH.
[01:03:48] REPUBLICANS ARE NOT AS
[01:03:51] SUPPORTIVE OF THE PRESIDENT AND HIS POLICIES.
[01:03:55] HOST: YOU SAID THERE'S NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE IRAN WAR AND ENDING IT
[01:04:00] TO HELP WITH THE PRICE OF OIL AND GAS?
[01:04:02] GUEST: HE CAN'T END IT. HOST: HE CAN'T END IT? GUEST: NO.
[01:04:06] IF THERE'S ONE THING THE
[01:04:08] PRESIDENT REGRETS, I'LL SAY IT, IS GOING INTO IRAN.
[01:04:12] HE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIS
[01:04:14] VICE PRESIDENT, JD VANCE, HE
[01:04:16] SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO THOSE
[01:04:19] WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND, IRAN CAN
[01:04:22] ABSORB LOSS, HUMILIATION. REMEMBER WHAT WE WERE TOLD AT
[01:04:25] THE BEGINNING, YOU GO IN, TAKE OUT THE LEADERSHIP, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEY WILL
[01:04:29] JUST BEND THE KNEE AND IT'LL BE OVER.
[01:04:32] THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
[01:04:34] THEY DOUBLED DOWN AND NOW WE'RE
[01:04:38] FIGHTING THE BATTLE WITH THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, I THINK THAT
[01:04:41] THE ECONOMIC SANCTIONS WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT IN PLACE AT
[01:04:44] THE VERY BEGINNING IS EFFECTIVE. I THINK IT'S SQUEEZING IRAN BUT
[01:04:47] WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WILL RETALIATE. BUT THE WAR, THE PRICE TAG FOR
[01:04:52] THAT WAR, THE DEFICIT, IT'S
[01:04:54] JUST -- I MEAN, IT'S JUST
[01:05:05] ASTRONOMICAL. THE OTHER THING THAT WE DON'T KNOW, THERE ARE NO REPORTERS EMBEDDED TO TELL US THE FACTS OF THAT WAR.
[01:05:09] WE HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE BULLY PULPIT AND OTHER SOURCES TO TELL
[01:05:12] US WHAT THE CASUALTIES ARE, LOSSES ARE.
[01:05:15] EVERYTHING THAT WE HEAR FROM THE PRESIDENT IS ROSES, EVERYTHING IS OPTIMISTIC.
[01:05:19] WE'RE HAVING A GREAT DAY. BUT THE RHETORIC DOESN'T ALWAYS
[01:05:22] MATCH THE REALITY OF THE RESULTS. THERE'S NO PEACE AGREEMENT, NO TRUCE.
[01:05:26] AND EVEN THOUGH THINGS ARE QUIET NOW, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE WE DON'T
[01:05:29] HAVE ALL THE NAKTS ABOUT WHAT'S
[01:05:30] ACTUALLY GOING ON ON THE GROUND.
[01:05:33] HOST: THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ.
[01:05:37] IRAN SAYS NO, YOU DON'T. WE HAVE HAD CONTROL SINCE
[01:05:40] FEBRUARY 28TH WHEN YOU STARTED THIS WAR.
[01:05:43] GUEST: THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING,
[01:05:46] ARGUING, THEY HAVE NOT REACHED AN AGREEMENT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS CONTROL
[01:05:49] OVER IT RIGHT NOW. AND THE WHITE HOUSE IS LEARNING
[01:05:53] THAT MISSILES AND JETS AND MILITARY MIGHT MAY DO WELL IN
[01:05:57] THE FIRST WEEK OF THE WAR. BUT AT SOME POINTS YOU HAVE TO
[01:06:00] FIND SOME KIND OF -- YOU HAVE TO
[01:06:02] FIND HUMILITY -- IT'S HUBRIS TO
[01:06:05] UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FIGHTING A DIFFERENT KIND OF ENEMY.
[01:06:07] AND IRAN IS OUR ENEMY LET US BE
[01:06:10] CLEAR ON THAT. HOST: DOES PRESIDENT TRUMP NEED
[01:06:13] TO CAMPAIGN FOR CANDIDATES ON THE TRAIL OR SHOULD HE STAY
[01:06:17] AWAY? GUEST: IT DEPENDS UPON THE STATE.
[01:06:21] IN SOUTH CAROLINA, DARLINE
[01:06:25] GRAHAM WAS A BREATH OF FRESH
[01:06:28] AIR, HER VICTORY WAS NOT JUST A VICTORY FOR THE PRESIDENT AND
[01:06:31] HIS COATTAILS PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS, WE PUT IN THESE
[01:06:35] PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS THEY SPEND THEIR LIFETIME IN
[01:06:39] WASHINGTON, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR IT?
[01:06:41] WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR IN
[01:06:43] TERMS OF MY KIDS' EDUCATION, SIT
[01:06:46] BETTER IN THIS COUNTRY, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR A BETTER WAY OF LIFE?
[01:06:50] DO I FEEL MORE SECURE THAN I DID FOUR YEARS AGO?
[01:06:53] >> AND PEOPLE ARE REALIZING THAT EVERY TWO YEARS A FARMER WOULD
[01:06:58] COME, EVERY SIX YEARS A NURSE WOULD COME AND SERVE, EVERY SIX
[01:07:01] YEARS A PLUMBER WOULD COME.
[01:07:04] THEY NEVER ENVISIONED A PROFESSIONAL POLITICAL CLASS
[01:07:07] GOVERNING US.
[01:07:09] AND SO, DARLINE GRAHAM WAS A
[01:07:12] BREATH OF FRESH AIR.
[01:07:15] NO SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING SHE
[01:07:18] KNOWS ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY BUT
[01:07:23] HER BROTHER'S STAFF IS STILL IN PLACE SHE'LL COME IN WITH A
[01:07:27] STAFF THAT GUIDES HER THROUGH
[01:07:29] THE WORKING IN THE SENATE.
[01:07:31] HOST: THEY COME IN WITH
[01:07:34] CANDIDATES WITH TOUGH RACES.
[01:07:38] YESTERDAY IN TEXAS, HE SAID, REPUBLICANS HAVE AN
[01:07:41] EXTRAORDINARY RECORD TO RUN ON. DO YOU AGREE? GUEST: DEPENDS ON WHO'S
[01:07:45] LISTENING.
[01:07:46] IF HE'S TALKING ABOUT CRIME, IF
[01:07:49] HE'S TALKING ABOUT JOBS HAVE BEEN CREATED.
[01:07:53] BUT IT'S THE KIND OF JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED.
[01:07:56] THEY'RE SKILL JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED.
[01:07:59] IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SKILLS TO FILL THOSE JOBS THEN YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK.
[01:08:03] YOU'RE OUT HERE STRUGGLING.
[01:08:06] AN EDUCATION IS MORE IMPORTANT TODAY THAN IT HAS BEEN.
[01:08:09] WHATEVER HE'S CAMPAIGNING ON OR TOUTING IT HAS TO MATCH THE
[01:08:13] REALITY OF HOW PEOPLE LIVE EVERY DAY. HOST: SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULDN'T
[01:08:17] USE THE WORD STROOD. >> IT'S NOT EXTRAORDINARY. IT'S ORDINARY.
[01:08:21] THEY'RE NOT GIVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NO EXTRA.
[01:08:25] LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT THAT.
[01:08:28] HOST: LET'S GO TO DAVID, IN
[01:08:31] SOUTH CAROLINA, A REPUBLICAN.
[01:08:35] GO AHEAD. CALLER: IT'S AN HONOR TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
[01:08:38] I WATCH YOU A LOT AND YOU'RE THE BEST.
[01:08:42] I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CLEAR UP A
[01:08:46] COUPLE OF THINGS.
[01:08:48] THERE'S A -- I THINK THERE'S A
[01:08:52] MYTH, AND C-SPAN PERPETUATES IT THAT ALMOST BLACKS GOT THE RIGHT
[01:08:56] TO VOTE IN '64, PROBABLY 100
[01:09:00] YEARS EARLIER AND THERE'S NEVER A MENTION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS
[01:09:04] ACTS OF '57 AND '60.
[01:09:08] THERE'S A COMMON BELIEF THAT THE
[01:09:10] ONLY CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS WERE IN
[01:09:12] THE MIDDLE '60s AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF JOHNSON.
[01:09:16] THAT'S ANOTHER STORY, BUT NEVER
[01:09:18] A MENTION OF '57 AND '60 BECAUSE
[01:09:21] THEY WERE REPUBLICAN BILLS. REPUBLICAN LAWS.
[01:09:24] I WONDER IF YOU COULD JUST SAY A WORD ON THAT.
[01:09:27] AND THE OTHER MAJOR TOPIC -- HOST: DAVID, YOU ARE BREAKING
[01:09:31] UP SO I'M GOING TO HAVE
[01:09:32] MR. WILLIAMS ANSWER YOUR FIRST
[01:09:35] QUESTION THERE. GUEST: HE IS CORRECT, THE
[01:09:38] HOUSING BILLS, THE REPUBLICANS WERE ALWAYS STRONG SUPPORTERS
[01:09:42] OF -- LOOK AT ABRAHAM LINCOLN
[01:09:45] AND THE EMANCIPATION
[01:09:49] PROCLAMATION. SO MANY THINGS AFTER BARRY
[01:09:51] GOLDWATER BECAME THE NOMINEE AND
[01:09:53] SAID HE WOULD TURN BACK THE
[01:09:56] ACCOMPLISHMENTS, THINGS THAT HAD BEEN ACHIEVED DURING THAT CIVIL
[01:10:00] RIGHTS ERA. IT WAS REPUBLICANS ALWAYS ON THE
[01:10:03] FOREFRONT AND SO, THAT HISTORY IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED.
[01:10:06] BUT YOU KNOW THE DAY WE LIVE IN
[01:10:10] A DIFFERENT REALITY. THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO USE RACE
[01:10:14] AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S NOT ACHIEVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.
[01:10:18] YOU SEE IMMIGRANTS GIVE THEIR LIVES, SACRIFICE EVERYTHING TO
[01:10:21] COME ACROSS WATERS AND REALIZE
[01:10:25] THE AMERICAN DREAM IN YEARS. AMERICA IS A PLACE OF OPPORTUNITY.
[01:10:28] WHAT IS LACKING NOW IS OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IS DISMAL,
[01:10:31] IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. AND YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF
[01:10:35] WHY. WHY IS IT THAT AMERICA CANNOT
[01:10:38] COMPETE WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. WHY DO THE NUMBERS STEADY GOING
[01:10:41] DOWN? WHY DO WE REWARD FAILURE?
[01:10:44] IT'S NOT AN INDICTMENT OF THE
[01:10:46] PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, SCHOOL
[01:10:49] CHARTERS, PRIVATE EDUCATION, PUBLIC EDUCATION, WE SHOULD
[01:10:53] REWARD RESULTS.
[01:10:55] WHATEVER WORKS WE SHOULD REWARD RESULTS IN EDUCATION.
[01:10:59] IT'S SHAMEFUL, ALMOST CRIMINAL,
[01:11:00] EVEN IF YOU LOOK WHERE WE ARE IN
[01:11:04] BALTIMORE, AT THE BALTIMORE
[01:11:05] SCHOOL SYSTEM, THEY CAN'T DO
[01:11:08] BASIC MATH, READ AND YOU ASK WHY. YOU PAY THESE SUPERINTENDENTS
[01:11:11] AND ADMINISTRATORS ALL THE MONEY.
[01:11:14] I DON'T MIND PAYING PEOPLE FABULOUS MONEY BUT YOU SHOULD
[01:11:17] GET MONEY BASED ON RESULTS. WE SHOULD ASK QUESTIONS WHY IS
[01:11:20] EDUCATION BEING DUMBED DOWN.
[01:11:22] TAKE WOODBRIDGE ELEMENTARY
[01:11:24] SCHOOL IN WOODBRIDGE, VIRGINIA,
[01:11:29] THEY HAVE THE BEST RATING FOR ACADEMICS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
[01:11:33] ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS IT THE
[01:11:36] PRINCIPAL DOES SEVEN DAYS A
[01:11:38] WEEK, GETTING THE PARENTS
[01:11:41] INVOLVED, READING WITH THE KIDS, EVERY CHILD HAS AN OPPORTUNITY
[01:11:46] TO LEARN, YOU CANNOT FAIL ANY KID BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT
[01:11:49] WHAT IT IS THAT MAKES THAT KID ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT LEARNING.
[01:11:53] SIT THROUGH MUSIC, PUZZLES, FINDING THEIR ENTHUSIASM,
[01:11:57] WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR THAT KID TO LEARN. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL.
[01:12:02] THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT
[01:12:04] TEACHERS UNIONS HAVE WRONG.
[01:12:07] EVERY KID LEARNS DIFFERENT. NO CHILD. WHEN WE FAIL THESE -- YOU KNOW
[01:12:11] WHERE THEY END UP, THE CRIMINAL
[01:12:13] JUSTICE, NO CAREER, NO
[01:12:16] SELF-WORTH AND NO SELF-ESTEEM.
[01:12:22] YOU HAVE TO ASK WHAT IS THE FAILURE IN THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.
[01:12:26] HOST: TODAY IS THE 63RD ANNIVERSARY OF THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON.
[01:12:30] THE MARCH IS BEING HELD TODAY.
[01:12:32] REVEREND AL SHARPTON'S NATIONAL
[01:12:34] ACTION NETWORK AND THE THEME IS DEFEND THE VOTE.
[01:12:38] DO YOU BELIEVE VOTING RIGHTS ARE UNDER ATTACK?
[01:12:42] GUEST: NO. I BELIEVE VALUES, I BELIEVE
[01:12:44] CIVICS, I BELIEVE CRITICAL
[01:12:46] THINKING IS UNDER ATTACK.
[01:12:49] YOU KNOW, WE CAN USE ALL THESE
[01:12:52] SUBTERFUGES THAT WE WANT TO NOT REALLY TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUE.
[01:12:56] ANYBODY WHO'S REGISTERED OR WHO
[01:13:00] HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND
[01:13:02] WHO HAS THE ID AND PRESENT
[01:13:05] THEMSELVES, THEY'RE ABLE TO VOTE.
[01:13:07] YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE OCCASIONS BECAUSE SOMEONE, SOMETHING TO DO
[01:13:10] WITH THE BALANCE OR WHATEVER, IS GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH VOTING BUT THAT'S MORE THE
[01:13:14] EXCEPTION THAN THE RULE. I DO AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT ON
[01:13:17] THIS, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE
[01:13:19] INTEGRITY OF OUR VOTING SYSTEM.
[01:13:23] SOMEBODY WHO'S DEAD SHOULD NOT
[01:13:25] END UP VOTING, SOMEBODY WHO IS
[01:13:27] ILLEGAL SHOULD NOT END UP
[01:13:31] VOTING. PEOPLE FOUGHT LONG AND HARD FOR THOSE RIGHTS.
[01:13:34] HOST: ORGANIZATIONS WHO STUDY
[01:13:37] IT SAY IT'S SUCH A SMALL NUMBER
[01:13:40] IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE --
[01:13:42] GUEST: I AGREE BUT ONE IS TOO MANY.
[01:13:46] HOST: LET'S GO TO GEORGIA. CALLER: YES, I WAS CALLING IN
[01:13:50] REFERENCE WHEN I HEARD THE CALLER BEFORE, AND I WAS CALLING
[01:13:54] ARMSTRONG, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
[01:13:58] THE EDUCATION SYSTEM AND
[01:14:00] EVERYTHING AND JOBS.
[01:14:03] BUT I WAS SAYING THEY HAVE
[01:14:05] BETTER EDUCATION DEPARTMENT AND
[01:14:07] THERE ARE NO JOBS AND THEY HAVE
[01:14:10] GOTTEN RID OF ALL THE BLACK
[01:14:12] PEOPLE THAT WAS WORKING AND
[01:14:15] WE -- AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY JOBS
[01:14:18] TO GO TO BECAUSE THEY AFRAID TO
[01:14:20] HIRE US BECAUSE OF TRUMP.
[01:14:22] AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE NEED THIS LEADERSHIP BACK.
[01:14:26] AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DESTROY
[01:14:28] OUR DEMOCRACY, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS MAN IS SO
[01:14:32] FOCUSED ON PUTTING HIS NAME ON
[01:14:35] BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF LIKE AFFORDABILITY.
[01:14:39] AND PUTTING TARIFFS ON CANADA.
[01:14:41] AND WE ARE PAYING THE PRICE FOR IT.
[01:14:45] HOST: ALL RIGHT, BRENDA, LET'S
[01:14:46] TAKE THOSE TWO POINTS.
[01:14:49] ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS? GUEST: SHE ONLY SPEAKS TO
[01:14:53] EXPERIENCE AND WHAT SHE'S EXPOSED TO. AND IN HER MIND THERE'S A BELIEF
[01:14:57] THAT THEY'RE TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM BLACKS.
[01:15:00] THE PRESIDENT'S CUTS WHERE IT
[01:15:03] PROBABLY ELIMINATED 250,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES INCLUDED
[01:15:07] PEOPLE OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE. MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED
[01:15:11] BY THOSE CUTS.
[01:15:14] AND I DO THINK THAT SOMETIMES --
[01:15:17] I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE
[01:15:19] TELLS US DON'T ALLOW YOUR GOOD
[01:15:21] TO BE EVIL SPOKEN OF BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN FORGET THE
[01:15:25] GOOD YOU DO. I THINK THE PRESIDENT'S PURSUIT
[01:15:28] OF THE KENNEDY CENTER AND THE
[01:15:31] ART TRIUMPH AND HAVING HIS NAME ON CURRENCY.
[01:15:34] I THINK IT DOES TAKE AWAY. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
[01:15:37] AMERICANS SHOULD DO LONG AFTER YOU'VE GONE, ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR
[01:15:40] SUCCESS AND WHAT HE CONTRIBUTED.
[01:15:43] I THINK HE NEEDS A LITTLE LESS
[01:15:46] HUBRIS AND A LITTLE MORE
[01:15:50] HUMILITY. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I WANT TO SAY THAT ALSO IN TERMS OF IRAN.
[01:15:54] WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO
[01:15:56] WIPE OUT A CIVILIZATION.
[01:16:01] IT'S ONE THING FOR YOU AND I TO SAY THAT BUT WHEN THE PRESIDENT
[01:16:04] SAYS IT IT HAS A FAR REACHING
[01:16:09] IMPACT. AND SO I THINK SHE A HAS A POINT, WHY IS THE PRESIDENT SO
[01:16:13] INSECURE, NOTHING SATISFIES HIM GIVEN ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS
[01:16:16] HE'S DONE.
[01:16:17] I THINK THAT'S A SPIRITUAL ISSUE
[01:16:20] NOT A POLICY ISSUE. BUT THE POINT ABOUT BLACKS AND
[01:16:24] JOBS AND THEY DON'T WANT US, IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
[01:16:27] THERE'S NO TRUTH TO THAT.
[01:16:29] HOST: COMING UP ON THE
[01:16:34] WASHINGTON JOURNAL WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE REMOVAL PROCESS FOR
[01:16:38] GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.
[01:16:39] THAT CONVERSATION COMING UP ON
[01:16:43] ""THE WASHINGTON JOURNAL" WE'LL HEAR FROM MICHAEL IN
[01:16:48] GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA, AN INDEPENDENT.
[01:16:51] CALLER: WONDERFUL, HI. WE HAVE THIS PERSON TALKING
[01:16:54] ABOUT THAT PERSON IS CRAZY OR IRRATIONAL. IT COMES FROM BOTH SIDES.
[01:16:58] I WONDER IF YOU READ THE BOOK
[01:17:01] "STOP WALKING ON EGGSHELLS" IT'S
[01:17:04] BEEN MENTIONED PARTS OF IT,
[01:17:07] BASICALLY TRUMP AND THE -- TRUMP'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
[01:17:10] WORLD IS A DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP.
[01:17:13] AND IT'S BASED ON THE
[01:17:16] CHARACTERISTICS OF BORDER LINE
[01:17:18] PERSONALITY DISORDER, THE DOCTOR
[01:17:21] WHO WROTE THE BOOK ON CHILD
[01:17:24] ABUSE AND ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES.
[01:17:27] HE SAID THAT ABOUT TWO OR THREE ARE ABUSED OR NEGLECTED IN THE
[01:17:31] U.S., AND THIS CHANGES HOW WE
[01:17:33] VOTE AND WHO WE VOTE FOR.
[01:17:36] ON YOUR SHOW, THE ABILITY FOR
[01:17:38] YOUR VIEWERS TO ANONYMOUSLY VOTE, YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN
[01:17:43] THIS, YOU ASKED A QUESTION, THEY
[01:17:46] FLIP A COIN AND IF THE ANSWER IS
[01:17:47] YES, THEN THEY SAY HEADS AND IF
[01:17:53] NO, THEY -- THEN THEY SAY
[01:17:56] WHATEVER THE TOSS IS.
[01:17:58] IF IT'S -- IF THE ANSWER IS YES,
[01:18:01] THEY SAY HEADS IF THE ANSWER IS YES TO THE QUESTION.
[01:18:04] THAT WAY, WHEN YOU POLL IT, YOU
[01:18:06] DEDUCT FROM 50/50 AND YOU CAN
[01:18:09] CALCULATE EASILY IN YOUR HIND,
[01:18:14] WHAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THAT CLASSROOM OR SCHOOL -- WE CAN KNOW THE TWO THIRDS OF A
[01:18:18] SCHOOL OR CLASSROOM IS BEING ABUSED IS WHAT I'M SAYING AND WE
[01:18:22] CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT, HOW DARE WE DO THAT.
[01:18:25] HOST: ALL RIGHT, MICHAEL. LET'S GET A RESPONSE FROM
[01:18:29] ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS. GUEST: I THINK THERE'S A DEEPER
[01:18:31] ISSUE HE SPEAKS TO GRETA.
[01:18:35] IT'S CRITICAL THINKING.
[01:18:37] MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHY AND CONCLUDE WHY THEY'RE VOTING FOR
[01:18:41] SOMEONE, UNDERSTANDING BASED ON THEIR OWN CRITICAL THINKING,
[01:18:45] THEIR OWN RESEARCH, SOCIAL
[01:18:47] MEDIA, NETWORKS, OTHERS HAVE A
[01:18:50] STRONG INFLUENCE ON PUSHING --
[01:18:53] AND I WON'T CALL IT THEIR AGENDA. THEY PUSH AN AGENDA.
[01:18:57] SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE INDEPENDENT THINKING OUT HERE.
[01:19:00] THE OTHER THING I THINK SHOULD TROUBLE US.
[01:19:04] I CRITICIZE THE PRESIDENT CONSTRUCTIVELY.
[01:19:07] FOR HE AS A BROADCASTER AND CO-OWNER OF THE BALTIMORE SUN,
[01:19:11] WE'RE REFEREES. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO TELL PEOPLE
[01:19:14] WHAT TO THINK. WE MAY SHOW THEM IN OUR PUBLICATIONS WHAT TO THINK
[01:19:18] ABOUT. IT IS NOT MY JOB TO ADVOCATE ANY CANDIDATE.
[01:19:22] IT'S MY JOB TO SHOW BOTH
[01:19:25] CANDIDATES, THE BEST AND THE WORST OF THAT.
[01:19:27] AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME TO
[01:19:30] THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS. I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH
[01:19:33] THE PRESIDENT NOW, THEY JUDGE HIM WITH THE WORST OF AMERICA.
[01:19:36] THEY DON'T LOOK -- THEY CAN'T SEE THE GOOD THAT HE DOES,
[01:19:39] BECAUSE THEY HATE HIM AND DISLIKE HIM SO MUCH.
[01:19:43] HE'S A BULLY. HE PUSHES OUT A LOT OF RHETORIC
[01:19:46] HIMSELF, THE STUFF HE SAYS IT'S NOT HELPFUL.
[01:19:49] I WISH HE WOULD NOT TWEET THINGS
[01:19:51] HE TWEETED, TONE DOWN HIS RHETORIC.
[01:19:54] HE CONTRIBUTES TO THIS VOLATILITY IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.
[01:19:57] FOR ANYONE TO TRY TO SEPARATE IT
[01:20:00] FROM HIM, THEY'RE NIGH NAIVE.
[01:20:06] BUT TO ME, THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ARE NO DIFFERENT.
[01:20:10] THE LEFT TRUMP CAN NEVER DO ANYTHING RIGHT, THE RIGHT HE CAN NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG.
[01:20:13] NO ONE CAN SEE.
[01:20:15] WHAT IT DOES, IT CANCELS OUT EACH OTHER.
[01:20:19] THAT'S WHY THE INDEPENDENT FREE THINKING VOTER IS SO IMPORTANT
[01:20:23] TO OUR DEMOCRACY.
[01:20:26] HOST: YOU HAVE CRISIS IN THE
[01:20:29] CLASSROOM, THE BOOK, I WANT TO SHOW OUR VIEWERS WHAT PRESIDENT
[01:20:32] TRUMP HAD TO SAY EARLIER THIS
[01:20:34] WEEK ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORTS ON SCHOOL CHOICE.
[01:20:38] >> AS WE REMOVE THE FAR LEFT EXTREMISM FROM THE CLASSROOM
[01:20:42] WE'RE TAKING HISTORIC ACTION TO ENSURE THAT EVERY CHILD IN
[01:20:46] AMERICA HAS ACCESS TO A FIRST
[01:20:49] CLASS EDUCATION. THE UNITED STATES SPENDS MORE
[01:20:52] MONEY ON EDUCATION THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD BY
[01:20:56] DOUBLE. AND OUR RESULTS SHOULD BE BETTER THAN THEY ARE.
[01:20:59] I WOULD LOOK AT LISTS WHERE WE'RE RATED OUT OF THE 40 TOP
[01:21:03] NATIONS WE'RE RATED 38, 39, AND
[01:21:07] 40 WITH ALL THE MONEY WE SPENT.
[01:21:10] BUT LINDA HAS CHANGED THAT SO RAPIDLY AND DRASTICALLY.
[01:21:14] IT'S SHOCKING HOW FAST IT'S GONE UNDER HER LEADERSHIP.
[01:21:17] ONE YEAR AGO AS PART OF THE GREAT BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL WE
[01:21:20] PASSED THE EDUCATION FREEDOM TAX CREDIT, THE LARGEST EVER
[01:21:24] EXPANSION OF SCHOOL CHOICE AND
[01:21:26] WE WANT -- THANK YOU. AND WE WANT EVERY PARENT TO HAVE
[01:21:30] THE POWER TO SEND THEIR CHILD TO
[01:21:32] A HIGH QUALITY SCHOOL THAT
[01:21:34] SHARES THEIR VALUES.
[01:21:37] SO IMPORTANT.
[01:21:39] HOST: MR. WILLIAMS IS THAT THE
[01:21:42] RIGHT APPROACH BY THE PRESIDENT? GUEST: IT'S AN APPROACH.
[01:21:46] IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE.
[01:21:49] YOU KNOW, ASK YOURSELF WHY A
[01:21:53] CHILD CAN GET A QUALITY CATHOLIC
[01:21:55] EDUCATION FOR HALF THE PRICE.
[01:21:58] AND THE PARENT HAS SO MUCH TO
[01:22:00] SHOW FOR THAT CHILD'S EXPERIENCE
[01:22:03] IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. YOU KNOW, LISTEN, TEACHERS HAVE
[01:22:07] TO WEAR SO MANY HATS TODAY.
[01:22:10] COUNSELORS, PSYCHOLOGISTS,
[01:22:13] PARENTS, DISCIPLINARIANS, AND
[01:22:16] THEY DON'T REALLY GET A CHANCE TO DO WHAT THEY DO WELL IN THE
[01:22:19] CLASSROOM, WHICH IS TEACH.
[01:22:21] THEN YOU HAVE OTHER TEACHERS WHO
[01:22:24] MAY BE IN A CLASSROOM TEACHING
[01:22:27] MATH AND HAVE LITTLE TO NO EXPERIENCE IN MATH.
[01:22:30] THEY MAY BE TEACHING A SUBJECT THAT IT'S NOT WHERE THEIR
[01:22:34] STRENGTH LIES. THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF TEACHERS.
[01:22:37] LISTEN, AS I SAID EARLIER, KIDS
[01:22:40] LEARN DIFFERENTLY. SCHOOL CHOICE IS JUST AN OPTION
[01:22:44] TO -- WHEN PUBLIC SCHOOLS FAIL. LISTEN, I'M A PRODUCT OF A
[01:22:48] PUBLIC SCHOOL. BUT I ALSO HAD PARENTS WHO WERE
[01:22:51] VERY INVOLVED IN ANY EDUCATION.
[01:22:53] YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE
[01:22:55] TODAY WHO HAD KIDS AT A YOUNG
[01:22:58] AGE AND DID NOT NECESSARILY GET THE EDUCATION THEY NEED.
[01:23:01] LISTEN, A CHILD'S EDUCATION SHOULD NOT BE DETERMINED BY
[01:23:05] THEIR ZIP CODE OR THEIR WEALTH. WEALTHY FAMILIES CAN GET TUTORS,
[01:23:09] MOVE THEIR KIDS, THEY HAVE ALL OTHER RESOURCES.
[01:23:12] EVERY KID SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO THOSE SAME RESOURCES.
[01:23:15] IF A PARENT DECIDES THAT A PUBLIC SCHOOL IS NOT WORKING FOR
[01:23:18] THEIR CHILD BECAUSE THEIR CHILD WORKS DIFFERENTLY, THEY SHOULD
[01:23:21] HAVE THE MONEY TO MOVE THAT KID
[01:23:23] OUT TO BETTER PREPARE THAT KID FOR LIFE.
[01:23:27] MANY PARENTS DEPEND ON THEIR CHILDREN AT SOME POINT TO TAKE
[01:23:30] CARE OF THEM IN OLD AGE, THIS IS AN INVESTMENT.
[01:23:33] SO EDUCATION HAS TO BE A PRIORITY. BUT THE PRIORITY IS WHAT GIVES
[01:23:36] YOU THE BEST RESULTS.
[01:23:39] WE SHOULD JUDGE RESULTS NOT THE
[01:23:41] PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PRIVATE SCHOOLS,
[01:23:43] CHARTER SCHOOLS BUT WHAT GIVES RESULTS. BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO A
[01:23:47] CHILD, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THEIR CHILD COMING OUT SPEAKING
[01:23:51] BROKEN ENGLISH, THE INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND MATH.
[01:23:54] THERE ARE JOBS OUT THERE, BUT
[01:23:56] THEY'RE IN SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY,
[01:23:59] ENGINEERING AND S-T-E-M.
[01:24:03] A LOT OF KIDS AREN'T PREPARED. P YOU HAVE TO PREPARE THEM EARLY
[01:24:07] ON. AND THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE OF
[01:24:11] ABSENTEEISM. A LOT OF KIDS AREN'T SHOWING UP,
[01:24:14] YOU KNOW WHAT IT HAPPENS WHEN IT GETS TO 10 DAYS, THEY DON'T HAVE
[01:24:17] THE ABILITY TO CATCH UP WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CLASSROOM. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CATCH UP,
[01:24:21] THEY BECOME A DISTRACTION.
[01:24:23] PARENTS -- ONE THING ABOUT MY
[01:24:26] PARENTS, WE HAD TO READ TO OUR
[01:24:29] PARENTS BUT MY PARENTS READ TO US. MY PARENTS WERE INVOLVED WITH THE TEACHER.
[01:24:33] IF WE WERE NOT BEHAVING, TO THE
[01:24:36] LEVEL THAT TEACHER EXPECTED, THERE WERE CONSEQUENCES.
[01:24:38] THERE ARE NOT CONSEQUENCES NOW. WE REWARD PEOPLE NOW WHO DON'T
[01:24:42] LEARN, PASS THEM ALONG. BUT YOU'RE CRIPPLING THEM FOR
[01:24:46] THE LONG RUN. WE MUST MAKE IT LIKE TRUMP SAID,
[01:24:50] SCHOOL CHOICE IS ONE OPTION. THE MOST IMPORTANT OPTION IS PARENTS HAVE TO GET INVOLVED
[01:24:54] WITH TEACHERS IN THE CLASSROOM IN THAT EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE.
[01:24:57] THAT'S THE BEST RESULT FOR THE CHILD.
[01:24:59] HOST: WE'LL GO TO FLORIDA, PAUL
[01:25:02] IS WATCHING THERE ON OUR LINE
[01:25:05] FOR REPUBLICANS. CALLER: YES, GOOD MORNING,
[01:25:08] THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. MY QUESTION IS A FEW MINUTES AGO
[01:25:12] YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ELECTION AND ELECTION FRAUD AND YOU SAY
[01:25:15] THAT YOU FEEL IT'S PRETTY RARE. MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK
[01:25:18] THAT OTHER COUNTRIES SUCH AS
[01:25:21] MAYBE CHINA AND IRAN CAN HACK INTO OUR ELECTION SYSTEM AND
[01:25:24] CHANGE VOTES? I KNOW UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
[01:25:27] HAD A PROFESSOR THAT -- IN FRONT
[01:25:31] OF THE COURT CHANGED VOTES ON
[01:25:33] OUR ELECTION EQUIPMENT WITH THE USE OF A PEN.
[01:25:37] I KNOW THAT THE ELECTION MACHINES ARE HOOKED UP TO THE
[01:25:39] INTERNET BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO
[01:25:41] YOUR POLL, NO MATTER IF IT'S AT
[01:25:44] A MUNICIPALITY OR AT A SCHOOL OR
[01:25:47] CHURCH, IF YOU SEARCH FOR INTERNET CONNECTIONS YOU'LL FIND
[01:25:51] THAT THE COUNTY ELECTIONS NETWORK IS AT THAT CHURCH OR
[01:25:55] SCHOOL. SO OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE HOOKED UP
[01:25:58] TO THE INTERNET SO DO YOU THINK
[01:26:03] THAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE CHANGING THIS? EVERY ILLEGAL THAT DOES VOTE OR
[01:26:06] ANY PERSON THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE PROPER RIGHT TO VOTE THAT VOTES
[01:26:10] TAKE AWAY OUR VOTE AND I KNOW LIKE IN NEW JERSEY THEY SAID
[01:26:14] THAT THERE WAS 6600 PEOPLE THAT
[01:26:17] WERE ILLEGALLY REGISTERED TO VOTE BUT THE GOVERNOR WASN'T
[01:26:21] GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO DOJ.
[01:26:23] WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?
[01:26:26] GUEST: I DON'T THINK YOU AND I ARE TOO FAR APART.
[01:26:29] BECAUSE I SAID TO GRETA EARLIER,
[01:26:31] ONE PERSON BEING ILLEGAL, BEING DEAD IS ONE TOO MANY.
[01:26:35] AND I DO -- I DID READ A STORY
[01:26:38] ABOUT HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO
[01:26:42] INTERFERE WITH THE ELECTIONS.
[01:26:44] MY ONLY POINT IS, THESE THINGS
[01:26:47] HAPPEN BUT NOT TO THE LEVEL WHERE IT REALLY HAS AN IMPACT ON
[01:26:50] THE OUTCOME -- I WAS BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT A NATIONAL ELECTION.
[01:26:54] BUT IF YOU'RE IN AN AREA, A
[01:26:57] JURISDICTION, WHERE SOMETIMES ONE VOTE DECIDES THE ELECTION.
[01:27:00] 20 VOTES DECIDE THE ELECTION, THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT.
[01:27:04] THIS IS WHY I'M SAYING WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN WITH
[01:27:08] ELECTION INTEGRITY, PUTTING
[01:27:10] SYSTEMS IN PLACE, ID, WITH THE
[01:27:13] BALLOTS TO MAKE SURE EVERY VOTE
[01:27:15] IS CREDIBLE, COUNTS, AND WE WEED
[01:27:18] OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN KNOWING
[01:27:20] WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO IT
[01:27:24] 100%.
[01:27:24] HOST: JAN IN GEORGIA FOR
[01:27:28] DEMOCRATS. CALLER: GOOD MORNING, MR. WILLIAMS. WHEN YOU OPENED UP, STARTED
[01:27:32] LISTENING TO THIS, I WAS IMPRESSED.
[01:27:34] I AM A DEMOCRAT, BUT I DO LIKE
[01:27:37] TO LISTEN TO A BROADER OPINION
[01:27:41] AND I HAVE A FRIEND THAT HAS ALWAYS SAID WHAT HAS DONALD
[01:27:45] TRUMP DONE FOR YOU.
[01:27:47] AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I'D REALLY LIKE TO FIND OUT.
[01:27:51] I'M NOT CYNICAL. I'M CURIOUS.
[01:27:53] I LIKE HOW YOU OPENED --
[01:27:55] MENTIONED THAT D.C. IS NOW A LOT
[01:27:59] SAFER AND CLEANER.
[01:28:00] BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING, AT
[01:28:03] WHAT COST DID D.C. BECOME A LOT
[01:28:05] SAFER AND A LOT CLEANER? YOU SAID THERE'S NO MORE
[01:28:09] HOMELESS THERE BUT WHERE DID THEY GO.
[01:28:13] HOST: JAN IS IN GEORGIA, SO WHAT HAS THE PRESIDENT DONE FOR
[01:28:17] HER IN GEORGIA? GUEST: LISTEN, THEY'RE --
[01:28:21] LISTEN, I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF
[01:28:23] YEARS AGO MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE WAS
[01:28:26] THE CRIME CAPITAL OF AMERICA, NOT JUST CHICAGO.
[01:28:30] THE PRESIDENT SENT IN THE NATIONAL GUARD.
[01:28:32] ANYBODY WILL TELL YOU CLEAN UP
[01:28:35] THAT CITY. LISTEN, THE PRESIDENT HAS
[01:28:39] REINFORCED THE VALUE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO
[01:28:43] SAY ABOUT I.C.E. BUT THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY
[01:28:46] DAY TO PROTECT -- SOMETIMES THEY GET THINGS WRONG.
[01:28:49] SOMETIMES THEY CAN GO OVERBOARD, SOMETIMES INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE.
[01:28:53] BUT I THINK TOM HOMAN GOING BACK
[01:28:55] IN THAT POSITION HAS RESTORED
[01:29:01] AND INTEGRITY TO THE I.C.E. AGENTS. I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE
[01:29:05] US STRONGER ON THE FOREIGN FRONT.
[01:29:07] I THINK HE -- WHILE THEY MAY NOT
[01:29:09] ALWAYS UNDERSTAND HIM, HE'S FEARED.
[01:29:13] I THINK HE'S GOTTEN THE UNITED
[01:29:16] NATIONS AND THE OTHER PLACES
[01:29:19] WHERE THEY TAKE AMERICAN DOLLARS TO REALLY SPEND OUR MONEY WISELY.
[01:29:22] I LIKE WHAT HE'S DONE WITH ISRAEL. I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT
[01:29:26] ISRAEL. I MEAN, ISRAEL IS OUR ONLY
[01:29:28] DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
[01:29:31] AND NOW YOU FIND OTHER STATES
[01:29:32] LIKE SAUDI ARABIA, LIKE THE UAE
[01:29:38] WHO FIND MORE COMFORT IN SIGNING THE ABRAHA ACCORDS.
[01:29:42] I THINK THE PRESIDENT'S RHETORIC
[01:29:45] IS SURELY AN ISSUE AND HIS LACK
[01:29:47] OF HUMILITY. I ALSO THINK THE PRESIDENT IS
[01:29:50] TRYING TO, AT HIS BEST, MAKE
[01:29:53] GOVERNMENT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE. I THINK HE LOVES THIS COUNTRY.
[01:29:57] LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW ANY -- ANY PERSON WHO HAS HAD MORE
[01:30:01] ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS ON THEIR
[01:30:05] LIVES, NOBODY.
[01:30:06] HE'S WILL WILLING TO GO OUT AND
[01:30:10] ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE, HEAR THEIR RALLYING CRIES.
[01:30:13] I LIKE WHAT HE'S DONE WITH AMERICA 250, HOW WE CELEBRATE.
[01:30:16] I LIKE THE FACT THAT NASCAR WAS HERE. AND PEOPLE LOVE IT.
[01:30:20] I LIKE THE FACT HE'S RESTORED WASHINGTON TO ONE OF THE MOST
[01:30:23] BEAUTIFUL AND SAFEST PLACES IN IN THE WORLD AS IT SHOULD BE.
[01:30:25] AND I LIKE THE FACT HE'S WILLING
[01:30:28] TO WORK WITH ZOHAN MOMDANI AS
[01:30:34] MUCH AS WE HATE HIS POLICIES,
[01:30:37] THE PRESIDENT HAS USED A DIFFERENT APPROACH, THEY COMMUNICATE, MEET TOGETHER.
[01:30:41] SO THE PRESIDENT HAS SHOWN HIS WILLINGNESS TO SURPRISE US WHERE
[01:30:45] WE LEAST EXPECT. HE WILL ALWAYS BE -- I DO
[01:30:49] BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS
[01:30:50] DONE A LOT OF GOOD AND WE SHOULD
[01:30:54] CELEBRATE THE GOOD BUT ALSO
[01:30:55] CRITICIZE HIM AND HOLD HIM
[01:30:58] ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT BE A SYCOPHANT WHENEVER HE NEEDS TO
[01:31:02] BE ACCOUNTABLE. HOST: WE'LL HEAR FROM JAMES
[01:31:06] NEXT IN ROME, GEORGIA.
[01:31:09] CALLER: THIS IS THE BIGGEST GOVERNMENT, YOU REPUBLICAN YOU
[01:31:12] TALK ABOUT BIG GOVERNMENT THIS IS THE BIGGEST SURVEILLANCE
[01:31:15] GOVERNMENT, ILLEGAL GOVERNMENT WE EVER HAD. ANOTHER THING FOR YOU.
[01:31:19] YOU BETTER STAY OUT OF SPRINGFIELD, YOU KNOW, THEY
[01:31:22] MIGHT PICK YOU UP. YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET CAUGHT
[01:31:26] UP IN IT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, WHY
[01:31:28] DON'T YOU SPEAK UP, MAN, FOR
[01:31:30] BLACK PEOPLE HISTORY THE HISTORY
[01:31:32] THAT'S BEEN TOOK IN THESE LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS.
[01:31:36] THAT'S AMERICAN HISTORY NOT BLACK HISTORY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS
[01:31:40] THIS, THIS GOVERNMENT, TRUMP IS NOT A -- TRUMP IS NOT A BULLY.
[01:31:43] HE'S A COWARD. ALL THE PEOPLE HE CONFRONT.
[01:31:46] HE WON'T SAY NOTHING TO PUTIN,
[01:31:48] HE WON'T SAY NOTHING TO KIM
[01:31:51] JONG-UN, NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.
[01:31:58] NETANYAHU. WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
[01:32:01] HOLOCAUST, THE BLACK PEOPLE, BUT
[01:32:04] DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING TRUMP IS DOING.
[01:32:06] HOST: LET ME GET A RESPONSE.
[01:32:11] CALLER: . GUEST: LET ME BE CLEAR ON THIS.
[01:32:15] IN SOUTH AFRICA, MENTIONING
[01:32:17] THEY'RE COMMITTING GENOCIDE
[01:32:20] AGAINST WIDE FARMERS, THERE'S NO
[01:32:23] TRUTH TO IT. IN OHIO SAYING THE ASIANS ARE
[01:32:26] EATING ANIMALS WE INVESTIGATING IT, IT'S NOT TRUE.
[01:32:30] IT IS TRUE THE PRESIDENT, EVEN
[01:32:32] THOUGH HE'S PLACING THESE
[01:32:35] ECONOMIC SANCTIONS ON IRAN,
[01:32:36] CHINA HAS REFUSED TO EVEN GIVE
[01:32:42] THE IMPRESSION THEY WOULD COMPLY BECAUSE CHINA IS A SUPER POWER
[01:32:46] SO HE HAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
[01:32:47] THE PRESIDENT DID SAY DURING HIS
[01:32:51] INAUGURATION AT THE U.S. CAPITOL
[01:32:53] ON HIS FIRST DAY, WITHIN THE
[01:32:55] FIRST FEW WEEKS OF HIS TERM, THE
[01:32:58] WAR WOULD END BETWEEN IRAN AND
[01:33:00] RUSSIA, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
[01:33:02] HOST: UKRAINE AND RUSSIA. GUEST: UKRAINE AND RUSSIA.
[01:33:06] DID I SAY IRAN? HOST: YEAH. GUEST: UKRAINE AND RUSSIA.
[01:33:10] YES, WE CRITICIZED HIM. I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION.
[01:33:13] LISTEN THE OTHER THING HE SAID THAT'S ALSO TRUE.
[01:33:16] YOU TALK ABOUT THE 40 TRILLION
[01:33:17] DOLLAR PLUS DEFICIT.
[01:33:20] IT'S DOUBLED ON BIDEN AND
[01:33:24] TRUMP'S DIME. TRUMP IS SPENDING LIKE A DRUNKEN SAILOR, THAT'S TRUE.
[01:33:28] I CAN RECOGNIZE THAT. BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE WE SHOULD NOT
[01:33:31] TRY TO JUDGE EVERYTHING THROUGH THE PRISM OF RACE.
[01:33:35] THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO AMERICA
[01:33:36] THAN THE PRISM OF RACE.
[01:33:40] HOST: KEN IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, AN INDEPENDENT.
[01:33:43] QUESTION OR COMMENT? CALLER: YES.
[01:33:47] IT IS HARD FOR ME TO WATCH --
[01:33:50] I'M A BLACK MAN 65 YEARS OLD,
[01:33:54] SERVED IN THE MILITARY AND EVERYTHING.
[01:33:57] IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND,
[01:33:58] BLACK MEN OR SUPPOSEDLY BLACK
[01:34:01] MEN LIKE YOU BUT AT THE END OF
[01:34:03] THE DAU, NONE OF YOU ALL EVER
[01:34:06] PUT OUT WHY SO MANY --
[01:34:09] HOST: KEN, HOLD ON HERE. YOU'RE BREAKING UP.
[01:34:12] SO WE WANT TO GET YOUR QUESTION. GO AHEAD.
[01:34:15] CALLER: MY QUESTION IS, WHY NO
[01:34:17] ONE NEVER EXPLAIN WHY SO MANY
[01:34:20] BLACK PEOPLE HAVE UNDER THE TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BACK IN THE
[01:34:24] DAY WHEN THE REPUBLICAN PATIENT REALLY SUPPORTED BLACK PEOPLE
[01:34:27] BUT THEY TURN AWAY FROM THE
[01:34:29] REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE THEY
[01:34:32] INTRODUCED THE JESSE HAMS AND
[01:34:38] THURMAN.
[01:34:38] THAT'S WHY SO MANY MOVED TO THE
[01:34:42] DEMOCRAT PARTY. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO SAY. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND,
[01:34:46] MR. WILLIAMS, WHEN DONALD TRUMP,
[01:34:49] BECAUSE YOU DEFEND HIM SO MUCH
[01:34:51] WHEN DONALD TRUMP PUT THE
[01:34:54] PICTURE OF BLACK PEOPLE AS APES
[01:34:57] DO YOU THINK THAT EXEMPT YOU OR ANY BLACK PEOPLE?
[01:35:00] WHAT IS YOUR COMMENT ON THAT?
[01:35:03] HOST: ALL RIGHT, KEN.
[01:35:07] GUEST: AGAIN I WAS THE HARSHEST
[01:35:12] CRITICS AND HIS DEPICTION OF THE OBAMAS. BUT HE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE
[01:35:16] HE DON'T FOLLOW EVERYTHING I WRITE AND REPORT ON.
[01:35:18] AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE GET THE IMPRESSION THAT I'M
[01:35:22] SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP. AS A BROADCASTER I'M DEALING WITH THE FACTS ABOUT HIS RECORD.
[01:35:27] I CAN STILL DEAL WITH HIS RECORD
[01:35:31] AND THE THINGS HE DOES RIGHT AND
[01:35:34] STILL HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR
[01:35:36] THE THINGS HE GETS WRONG AT THE SAME TIME.
[01:35:40] I'M NOT AN ADVOCATE FOR DONALD TRUMP, THE REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS.
[01:35:43] I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR THE FACTS AND TRUTH. THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT.
[01:35:47] THAT'S WHY THEY LOST TRUST IN
[01:35:50] THE FOURTH STATE BECAUSE THEY THEY WE'RE CHEERLEADERS FOR THE
[01:35:54] PARTIES WE SUPPORT. I DON'T SUPPORT EITHER. OUR JOB IS TO REPORT THE FACTS
[01:35:58] AND THE TRUTH. MY VOTE IS PRIVATE.
[01:36:00] IF YOU THINK BECAUSE I'M BEING FAIR TO DONALD TRUMP, BECAUSE
[01:36:03] THAT'S THE ONLY REASON YOU CAN
[01:36:07] SURMISE I SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN
[01:36:11] PEOPLE WANT, THEY WANT YOU TO BE FAIR. NO WAY YOU'LL BRING BACK THE
[01:36:15] TRUST IN OUR MEDIA INSTITUTION. HOST: ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS IS OUR
[01:36:19] GUEST THIS MORNING.
[01:36:21] CAN YOU WATCH THE ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS TELEVISION SHOW ON
[01:36:24] SINCLAIR, IS THAT RIGHT?
[01:36:26] WHERE CAN PEOPLE TUNE IN?
[01:36:30] GUEST: ABC HERE, ALL THE
[01:36:34] SINCLAIR STATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND READ MY COLUMN EVERY SUNDAY
[01:36:38] AND WEDNESDAY IN "THE BALTIMORE
[01:36:42] SUN". HOST: ALL RIGHT. OWNER OF "THE BALTIMORE SUN" AS
[01:36:45] WELL. JERRY IN NEW JERSEY, DEMOCRATIC
[01:36:50] CALLER. CALLER: I'VE SEEN YOU ON SHOWS
[01:36:52] BEFORE, MR. WILLIAMS, AND I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU AND
[01:36:56] YOUR -- THE WAY YOU PRESENT YOURSELF.
[01:36:59] YOU ARE VERY FAIR, I SEE THAT.
[01:37:03] AND I THINK YOU'RE VERY COMMON SENSE.
[01:37:06] WHEN I LISTEN TO YOU, IT'S COMMON SENSE.
[01:37:09] AND I JUST AGREE 100% WITH A LOT
[01:37:11] OF WHAT YOU SAY.
[01:37:14] MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, I CAN'T
[01:37:19] WATCH NEWS MEDIA OR NEWS ANYMORE.
[01:37:22] I INCLUDE C-SPAN ON THIS,
[01:37:25] BECAUSE THE -- THE LIES THAT ARE SPEWED.
[01:37:29] I MEAN, SPEWED.
[01:37:31] AND THEN THE OMISSIONS THAT ARE,
[01:37:37] YOU KNOW -- THE NEWS MEDIA DOESN'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE
[01:37:40] GOOD THINGS THAT TRUMP DOES. IT'S A CONSISTENT NARRATIVE OF
[01:37:44] NEGATIVE. I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE.
[01:37:48] I WATCHED C-SPAN YESTERDAY AND A CALLER CALLED IN, A DEMOCRAT
[01:37:52] CALLER, WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRADE WAR WITH CANADA AND
[01:37:56] AMERICA.
[01:37:56] AND I HEARD HER SAY, GO CANADA.
[01:38:02] NOW, THIS JUST -- IT JUST
[01:38:08] INFURIATES ME BECAUSE WE ARE
[01:38:09] AMERICANS HERE AND WE'RE ROOTING
[01:38:13] FOR OTHER PLACES.
[01:38:15] GUEST: I DIDN'T WATCH C-SPAN YESTERDAY BUT THAT CALLER
[01:38:19] EXPRESSED THEIR OPINION. IT'S JUST THEIR OPINION.
[01:38:22] I DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH THEIR OPINION. HOST: PEOPLE DON'T -- SOME
[01:38:26] PEOPLE DON'T LIKE LISTENING TO OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS.
[01:38:29] CALLER: GUEST: I DO. I CAN IMAGINE THERE ARE PEOPLE
[01:38:32] ROOTING AGAINST THE UNITED STATES AND ROOT FOR IRAN WHICH I
[01:38:35] THINK IS CRAZY BUT THAT'S WHAT FREEDOM IS ABOUT.
[01:38:38] THAT'S WHAT SEPARATES AMERICA FROM ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE
[01:38:42] WORLD. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SHOUT FIRE IN THE THEATRE YOU CAN SAY
[01:38:45] ANYTHING YOU WANT. HOST: WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO
[01:38:48] LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS.
[01:38:51] GUEST: IF EVERYONE AGREES
[01:38:53] YOU'RE NOT GROWING.
[01:38:56] IRON SHARPENS IRON. I NEED TO BE CHALLENGED, MAKE ME
[01:39:00] BETTER BECAUSE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ME AS A
[01:39:03] BROADCASTER AND NEWSPAPER OWNER
[01:39:04] THAT I OWN WITH MY BUSINESS
[01:39:08] PARTNER, DAVID SMITH, I CAN BE WRONG.
[01:39:11] YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WE CAN BE WRONG. EVEN PEOPLE THAT WE THINK CAN
[01:39:15] NEVER TEACH US ANYTHING ARE PEOPLE THAT REALLY ELEVATE OUR
[01:39:18] THINKING. MAKE US REALIZE I CAN BE BETTER
[01:39:21] ABOUT THIS, AND REMIND OF THINGS THAT WE GROW.
[01:39:25] I'M HERE TO GROW.
[01:39:26] I DON'T WANT TO STUNT MY GROWTH.
[01:39:30] EVERYBODY HAS VALUE IF YOU LISTEN TO IT.
[01:39:32] HOST: GO TO JOHN, IN GEORGIA,
[01:39:36] REPUBLICAN. CALLER: GOOD MORNING, MR. WILLIAMS. IT IS MY OPINION THAT THINGS ARE
[01:39:38] NOT GOING TO CHANGE FOR OUR
[01:39:41] COUNTRY UNTIL THE POLITICIANS STOP THINKING THAT MONEY IS THE
[01:39:44] ANSWER TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS.
[01:39:48] I DON'T THINK POVERTY IS A PROBLEM. I THINK IT'S A SYMPTOM OF A
[01:39:52] PROBLEM. SAME THING WITH EDUCATION. CHILDREN NOT BEING ABLE TO LEARN
[01:39:55] IS NOT THE PROBLEM. IT'S A SYMPTOM OF THE PROBLEM.
[01:39:59] YOU SAID EARLIER TODAY THAT YOU READ TO YOUR CHILDREN.
[01:40:02] I READ TO MY CHILDREN, TOO.
[01:40:04] IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE PROBLEMS
[01:40:06] WE HAVE ARE A RESULT OF THE HOUSEHOLD.
[01:40:10] LOOK AT THE FIRST THING ON CSPAN
[01:40:13] TODAY ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA. ULTIMATELY NO MATTER WHAT SOCIAL
[01:40:17] MEDIA DOES, IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE
[01:40:20] OBLIGATION OF THE PARENT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THEIR CHILDREN TO
[01:40:25] STOP THE THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS.
[01:40:28] IN YOUR OPINION, HOW DO WE GET
[01:40:32] BACK TO -- TO RESOLVING PROBLEMS
[01:40:36] THROUGH THE FAMILY? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE CAN DO
[01:40:40] TO SOLVE THE MAJORITY OF OUR PROBLEMS. THANK YOU.
[01:40:44] HOST: THANKS, JOHN.
[01:40:46] GUEST: LISTEN, HE MAKES SOME EXCELLENT INSIGHTS.
[01:40:49] ONE THING WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT
[01:40:51] HERE IS THAT ONE OF THE MOST
[01:40:55] IMPORTANT THINGS THAT MY PARENTS
[01:40:57] TAUGHT US WAS FAITH IN GOD.
[01:41:01] THERE'S SOMETHING GREATER THAN YOURSELF.
[01:41:03] THERE'S A SPIRITUAL ILLNESS IN THIS COUNTRY.
[01:41:07] YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ASK ME, WHY DO YOU READ THE BIBLE OVER AND OVER
[01:41:10] AGAIN, WHY DO YOU READ THESE CLASSIC BOOKS OVER AND OVER, THE
[01:41:14] PAGES ARE THE SAME, THE WORDS ARE THE SAME. I SAY TO THEM, I CHANGE.
[01:41:18] I'M NOT THE SAME PERSON. WHEN I READ THEM, I ALWAYS FIND
[01:41:22] SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND MORE
[01:41:26] MEANINGFUL THAN BEFORE.
[01:41:27] WE HAVE GREED CANNOT FULFILL WHAT WE NEED IN LIFE.
[01:41:32] THE KIDS PLUG IN ON THESE THINGS
[01:41:35] LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA, CRIME, DRUGS, THEY PLUG INTO THESE PARTIES BUT
[01:41:39] THEY'RE EMPTY. MY PARENTS POURED SOMETHING IN
[01:41:42] US THAT MAN CANNOT TAKE AWAY.
[01:41:44] AND IT'S A BELIEF THAT MORE THAN
[01:41:48] JUST INERTIA THAT YOU RAISE A
[01:41:50] CHILD IN A WAY THAT THEY CAME UP OLDER.
[01:41:54] BUT I ALWAYS COME BACK TO MY PARENTS' VALUES, FAITH,
[01:41:58] DISCIPLINE, SACRIFICE, HONESTY AND THEY 'WILLING TO GROW AND
[01:42:02] LEARN AND WILLING TO FORGIVE. WILLING TO FORGIVE.
[01:42:05] AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO
[01:42:08] GIVE YOU ANYTHING IN LIFE. THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT BE EVERYTHING TO PEOPLE.
[01:42:12] YOU CANNOT LIMIT PEOPLE AND THEIR PARENTS AND THEIR ROLES
[01:42:15] AND DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THEIR CHILD WANT TO CHANGE THEIR
[01:42:18] NAME TO A PRONOUN OR NOUN IN SCHOOL AND YOU DON'T GET THE
[01:42:22] PARENT INVOLVED IN IT. THE PARENT IS GOING TO HAVE THE
[01:42:25] GREATEST BURDEN NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT CHILD.
[01:42:27] THE PARENTS MUST BE INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION.
[01:42:31] THE GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN SO MUCH OF THE PARENTAL RIGHTS AWAY.
[01:42:33] AND THAT'S DANGEROUS. IN A PLACE LIKE NEW YORK CITY IF
[01:42:37] YOU DISCIPLINE YOUR CHILD, IF
[01:42:38] YOU YELL AT YOUR CHILD, YOU CAN
[01:42:41] FIND YOURSELF BEING PUNISHED.
[01:42:44] BUT THE BIBLE DOES TELL US IN
[01:42:46] THE LAST DAYS WHAT IS RIGHT WILL
[01:42:48] BECOME WRONG AND WHAT IS WRONG CAN BE RIGHT.
[01:42:51] I DON'T GET AWAY FROM MY FAITH AND VALUES AND THE HARDEST WORK
[01:42:54] I DO EVERY DAY, 24 HOURS IS WORK ON ME. THAT'S WHY I LISTEN TO OTHER
[01:42:58] PEOPLE, THAT'S WHY I PRAY, AND I STILL GET IT WRONG.
[01:43:01] BUT STILL, YEAH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M A BETTER ARMSTRONG
[01:43:05] WILLIAMS 24 HOURS LATER THAN I WAS 24 HOURS AGO.
[01:43:08] EVERYBODY WANTS TO WORK ON EVERYBODY ELSE AND REFUSE TO
[01:43:11] WORK ON THEMSELVES.
[01:43:14] HOST: DOWN TO ATLANTA, TERRY, INDEPENDENT.
[01:43:18] WELCOME.
[01:43:18] GUEST: THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING.
[01:43:23] CALLER: THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT VOTING RIGHTS.
[01:43:27] MR. WILLIAMS STATED HE DID NOT SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE VOTING RIGHT NOW.
[01:43:30] AND THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS BECAUSE I AM A SENIOR AND I LIVE
[01:43:33] IN A SENIOR INDEPENDENT LIVING CENTER, THERE ARE A LOT OF
[01:43:37] PEOPLE WHO ARE UNABLE TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY VOTE AND
[01:43:41] THEY REALLY DO NEED TO NEED TO
[01:43:50] USE THE ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTING
[01:43:53] AND THERE IS A MOVE TO ELIMINATE
[01:43:57] ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTING. AND I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT
[01:43:59] SENIOR HEALTH CARE, THE RISING COSTS OF THAT AND THE FACT THAT
[01:44:03] SENIORS WHO REALLY NEED TO HAVE
[01:44:05] SOMEONE ASSIST THEM ARE FACING A
[01:44:09] CRISIS BECAUSE THOSE GROUPS OF
[01:44:12] IMMIGRANTS WHO PRIMARILY PERFORM
[01:44:14] THOSE JOBS RIGHT NOW, MANY OF
[01:44:18] THEM UNDER PROTECTED STATUS ARE
[01:44:20] GOING TO BE SENT BACK TO THEIR COUNTRIES BECAUSE PROTECTED
[01:44:24] STATUS IS GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY
[01:44:27] SO WE WON'T HAVE ANYONE TO TAKE CARE OF GRANDMA. THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM SENIORS
[01:44:31] HAVE AND JUST THE RISING COST OF LIVING. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR
[01:44:35] OPINIONS ON THAT. AND ALSO, DO YOU PLAN TO ATTEND
[01:44:39] THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON?
[01:44:41] THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.
[01:44:44] GUEST: UNFORTUNATELY I WON'T
[01:44:50] ATTEND THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON BUT WE CERTAINLY WILL COVER IT.
[01:44:53] I AGREE WITH HER WHEN IT COMES
[01:44:56] TO BALLOTS. NOT ONLY SENIORS BUT VETERANS
[01:45:00] MANY WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DEMOCRACY OF OURS.
[01:45:03] I DO KNOW THIS IS BEING DISCUSSED AS THEY MAKE THESE
[01:45:07] CHANGES TO THESE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT RELATE TO VOTING.
[01:45:10] BUT WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT
[01:45:13] OUR SENIORS AND VETERANS ARE
[01:45:16] MORE VULNERABLE AND WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE IT
[01:45:19] CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO CONTINUE THEIR TRADITION OF VOTING.
[01:45:22] HOST: WE'LL GO TO WILLIAM IN
[01:45:26] TRIANGLE, VIRGINIA, DEMOCRATIC CALLER.
[01:45:29] HOW ARE YOU DOING?
[01:45:30] CALLER: YES, I'D LIKE TO ASK
[01:45:33] ARMSTRONG, HE SAY TRUMP IS NOT
[01:45:37] DISCRIMINATING AGAINST BLACKS I'DING LIKE TO RESPOND TO YOUR
[01:45:41] ANSWER. CAN I PLEASE STAY ON YOUR PHONE AND RESPOND.
[01:45:45] WHY IS HE NOT PROMOTING BLACK
[01:45:49] GENERALS, FEMALE GENERALS IN THE MILITARY?
[01:45:52] GUEST: THAT'S NOT TRUE.
[01:45:55] I HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE, JEN
[01:45:58] ADAMS, WHO INTRODUCED ME TO THE GENERALS WHO HAPPEN TO BE FEMALE.
[01:46:02] I KNOW PEOPLE BUY INTO THIS NARRATIVE.
[01:46:04] THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO CAN CALL TRUMP A RACIST WHO ARE NOT
[01:46:08] BLACK THE WAY HE TURNS ON THEM,
[01:46:10] TREATS THEM, ACROSS THE BOARD. TRUMP TREATS EVERYBODY THE SAME.
[01:46:14] HE'S AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
[01:46:17] OFFENDER, HE DOESN'T SINGLE OUT RACE.
[01:46:19] I'VE BEEN AROUND TRUMP, I'VE KNOWN TRUMP, I'VE SEEN TRUMP
[01:46:23] CLOSE UP WITH DR. CARSON, HE'S
[01:46:26] ONE OF THE MOST DOWN-TO-EARTH
[01:46:29] AND NICEST PEOPLE YOU WANT TO MEET.
[01:46:32] I'LL NEVER FORGET WHEN MICHAEL JACKSON NEEDED A PLACE, TRUMP
[01:46:36] LET HIM STAY AT TRUMP TOWER AT NO COST AT ALL.
[01:46:40] TRUMP IS REALLY A GOOD GUY, JUST SOMETHING HAPPENS HE'S A LITTLE
[01:46:44] DIFFERENT NOW THAT HE'S PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I WOULD NEVER BUY INTO THE FACT
[01:46:48] THAT TRUMP IS A RACIST.
[01:46:50] AS I SAID, TRUMP OFFENDS EVERYBODY AND FIRES PEOPLE IN A
[01:46:54] BRUTAL WAY. AND THAT'S JUST WHO HE IS.
[01:46:57] CAN HE CHANGE? CAN HE GET BETTER?
[01:47:00] WILL HE EVOLVING WITH THAT'S WHAT WE PRAY FOR?
[01:47:04] HOST: WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT
[01:47:06] THERE, ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, THANK
[01:47:09] YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION THIS MORNING. GUEST: RIVETING, THANK YOU.
[01:47:13] HOST: COMING UP LATER ON THE
[01:47:14] PROGRAM, AUTHOR AND HISTORIAN
[01:47:19] LINDSEY CHERVINESKY LOOKS AT THE
[01:47:25] BAT WL OF BROOKLYN AND HOW IT
[01:47:27] SHAPED THE REVOLUTION.
[01:47:30] BUT FIRST MAUREEN KLOVERS AND
[01:47:34] APRIL HARDING WILL SHARE A REPORT LOOKING AT THE FIRING OF
[01:47:38] FEDERAL EMPLOYEES UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. STAY WITH US.
[01:47:42] WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
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[01:51:21] >> WASHINGTON JOURNAL CONTINUES.
[01:51:26] >> WE WANT TO WELCOME TO OUR
[01:51:27] TABLE THIS MORNING, MAUREEN
[01:51:34] KLOVERS AND APRIL HARDING.
[01:51:36] LADIES, I WANT TO BEGIN WITH
[01:51:39] WHAT IS WE THE DOERS?
[01:51:42] >> WE'RE A FUND FOR CONGRESS.
[01:51:44] IT ALL STARTED OVER A CUP OF COFFEE WE DIDN'T KNOW EACH
[01:51:48] OTHER, WE PARTICIPATED IN THE
[01:51:52] DEPARTURE DIALOGUE PROJECT A
[01:51:54] CHANCE TO GIVE CONGRESS A CHANCE
[01:51:56] TO GIVE CONGRESS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THE GOVERNMENT MORE EFFECTIVE.
[01:52:00] WE MET OVER A CUP OF COFFEE BY
[01:52:02] THE END WE DECIDED WE WOULD START OUR OWN ORGANIZATION AND
[01:52:06] IT BUILT FROM THERE. THAT WAS NOVEMBER AND WE HAD OUR
[01:52:10] FIRST WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER AND PUBLISHED OUR FIRST REPORT IN
[01:52:13] JANUARY TO MARK ONE YEAR OF DOGE
[01:52:15] AND WE PUBLISHED A REPORT ON
[01:52:19] FAST, FAIR FEDERAL FIRING.
[01:52:21] HOST: WHY DID YOU THINK THIS WAS NECESSARY.
[01:52:25] GUEST: IN THE GOVERNMENT REFORM
[01:52:27] THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER, THE VOICE DELIVERING TO THE
[01:52:31] AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE DOERS AS WE
[01:52:34] WERE ISN'T NECESSARILY REPRESENTED.
[01:52:36] SO WE WANT TO BRING THAT GROUND
[01:52:39] TRUTH, THAT OPERATIONAL EXPERTISE HOW THINGS WORK TODAY,
[01:52:41] WHY THEY BREAK DOWN AND HOW WE KNOW IT CAN BE FIXED TO THE
[01:52:45] BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT TO DO NEXT.
[01:52:47] HOST: WHAT DID YOU DO FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
[01:52:50] GUEST: I WAS DIRECTOR OF USER EXPERIENCES FOR THE DIGITAL TEAM
[01:52:54] AT THE IRS. MY RESPONSIBILITY WAS MAKE SURE
[01:52:58] EVERYTHING ON IRS.GOV WORKS
[01:53:02] BETTER FOR PEOPLE AND UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WERE DELIVERING THE DIGITAL
[01:53:06] EXPERIENCES WE WERE DELIVERING WHICH IS A BROADER PROBLEM OF
[01:53:09] THE BUREAUCRATIC MACHINE AND PROCESSES AND TOOLS AND
[01:53:13] CONSTRAINTS AND THAT WAS MY FOCUS TO THINK ABOUT THOSE
[01:53:16] THINGS AND HOW WE COULD USE THOSE SYSTEMS TO DELIVER BETTER
[01:53:20] EXPERIENCES. HOST: HOW LONG DID YOU WORK THERE. >> ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS BEFORE THAT I WAS BUILDING
[01:53:24] THINGS ON THE INTERNET IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
[01:53:27] A BIG PART OF WHAT I WAS BRINGING TO THE IRS IS
[01:53:31] UNDERSTANDING HOW TO BUILD PRODUCTS WELL USED AND LOVED BY PEOPLE AND THE CONTRAST BETWEEN
[01:53:34] THE WAY I DID THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND THE WAY I WAS
[01:53:37] ABLE TO DO THAT IN GOVERNMENT WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT WHICH IS
[01:53:40] WHAT SENT ME DOWN THE PATH OF THINKING ABOUT WHY THINGS ARE
[01:53:43] DIFFERENT AND HOW WE CAN BRING THOSE BEST PRACTICES IN WITHOUT
[01:53:47] BREAKING THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT GOVERNMENT DOES NEED TO
[01:53:50] CONTROL AND BE CAREFUL ABOUT.
[01:53:51] HOST: HOW DID YOU LOSE YOUR JOB.
[01:53:55] GUEST: I WAS PUSHED OUT BY THE DOGE PROCESS, ESSENTIALLY.
[01:53:58] I TOOK THE DEFERRED RESIGNATION
[01:54:01] ROUND TWO BUT IT WAS NOT A CHOICE IN THE SENSE THAT I
[01:54:04] DIDN'T BELIEVE I WOULD BE ABLE
[01:54:06] TO STAY IF I DIDN'T.
[01:54:08] HOST: WHAT ABOUT YOU. GUEST: I HAVE 14 YEARS INSIDE
[01:54:12] GOVERNMENT, WORKED AT FOUR DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
[01:54:15] IT'S EXCITING TO SEE HOW DIFFERENT THINGS ARE AGENCY TO AGENCY.
[01:54:19] I STARTED IN HAD INTELLIGENCE
[01:54:20] COMMUNITY, AND THEN WORKED AT
[01:54:23] COMMERCE AND TREASURY AND LASTLY DEPUTY CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER
[01:54:27] FOR USDA WORLD DEVELOPMENT WHICH
[01:54:30] HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS LATELY. YEAH.
[01:54:33] HOST: HOW DID YOU LOSE YOUR JOB. GUEST: IT WAS A TUESDAY AT
[01:54:37] 11:00 A.M. AND I GOT AN EMAIL THAT SAID YOU HAVE BEEN REMOVED
[01:54:40] FROM YOUR POSITION.
[01:54:42] AND IT WAS A MASS EMAIL TO 5,000
[01:54:48] USDA EMPLOYEES THE ONLY REASON
[01:54:50] WE WERE IN PROBATIONARY YEAR.
[01:54:53] THEN I WAS REHIRED REINSTATED THREE WEEKS LATER BY A JUDICIAL
[01:54:56] ORDER AND I THINK A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER THAT, TOLD I WOULD
[01:55:00] BE MOVED TO AN UNDISCLOSED
[01:55:03] LOCATION, AND WE HAD TO DECIDE
[01:55:05] WHETHER TO TAKE THE DEFERRED
[01:55:08] RESIGNATION PROGRAM BEFORE MOVING.
[01:55:12] AT THE TIME MY MOTHER-IN-LAW HAD STAGE 4 STOMACH CANCER WE
[01:55:16] COULDN'T MOVE SO I TOOK THE PACKAGE.
[01:55:20] HOST: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
[01:55:21] REFORMING THE FIRING PROCESS,
[01:55:25] OUR TWO GUESTS STARTED A NEW GROUP AFTER THEY LOST THEIR
[01:55:28] FEDERAL JOBS WE THE DOERS THE TWO COFOUNDERERS HERE.
[01:55:32] IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN DIAL IN
[01:55:38] 202-748-8001, DEMOCRATS 202-748-8000,
[01:55:41] AND INDEPENDENTS 202-748-8002, .
[01:55:44] IF YOU ARE A CURRENT OR FORMER FEDERAL WORKER, WE WANT TO HEAR
[01:55:48] YOUR STORY AS WELL.
[01:55:49] AT 202-748-8003.
[01:55:53] LADIES YOU WERE ONE OF TENS OF
[01:55:56] THOUSANDS OF CIVIL SERVANTS AT
[01:55:58] THE GOVERNMENT THAT WERE LET GO PART OF DOGE.
[01:56:02] OVERALL, WHAT WAS THE PROCESS
[01:56:04] LIKE FOR FIRING THESE FEDERAL WORKERS?
[01:56:08] >> THE PROCESS WHEN THE DOGE
[01:56:11] CHANGES HAPPENED WAS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE FORMAL OFFICIAL PROCESS.
[01:56:15] MOSTLY BECAUSE THOSE WERE LARGE SCALE LAYOFFS AND FIRINGS.
[01:56:20] THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR REPORT IS WHAT IS
[01:56:23] TYPICAL IN THE CURRENT STATUTE
[01:56:25] AND REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, STILL BUT ALSO BEFORE DOGE FOR
[01:56:29] FIRING AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE FOR CAUSE.
[01:56:31] AND SO, THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT
[01:56:34] THROUGH WAS MORE ABOUT
[01:56:37] PROBATIONARY EMPLOYEES,
[01:56:40] REDUCTIONS IN FORCE AND ADMIN LEAVE WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY THE
[01:56:43] SAME AS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR REPORT.
[01:56:46] OUR FOCUS IS ON WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE NEEDS TO BE
[01:56:49] REMOVED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING OR THEIR CONDUCT IS
[01:56:53] INAPPROPRIATE AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. IT RELATES IN A SENSE WHEN IT IS
[01:56:57] DIFFICULT AND TIME CONSUMING AND COSTLY AS IT IS TO DO THAT
[01:57:01] THROUGH THE EXISTING PROCESS, WORK AROUNDS ARE SOUGHT OUT AND
[01:57:03] WHAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN IN 2025,
[01:57:06] WAS A LARGE SCALE WORK AROUNDS BECAUSE UNTANGLING THE
[01:57:10] COMPLEXITY OF THE RIGHT WAY TO THINK ABOUT WHO BELONGS IN HAD
[01:57:13] WHAT JOB WAS TOO MUCH TO DO IN
[01:57:15] THE TIME FRAME THEY THOUGHT.
[01:57:18] >> EXACTLY. ELON MUSK AND THE DOGE TEAM SAID
[01:57:22] THE MASS FIRING OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES WERE AN EFFICIENT WAY
[01:57:26] TO CUT COSTS. WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?
[01:57:29] GUEST: IT HASN'T CUT COSTS OUR DEFICIT AND DEBT HAVE BALLOONED.
[01:57:33] THERE'S GOOD REPORTING ABOUT HOW
[01:57:35] MANY OF THE POSITIONS NOW BEING ADVERTISED FOR ARE TO BACK FILL
[01:57:39] THE PEOPLE WHO LEFT. I MEAN, THE PROBLEM WITH THE WAY
[01:57:42] THAT DOGE DID IT, IT WASN'T EFFICIENT.
[01:57:45] FIRST OF ALL, THE WORKFORCE IS A
[01:57:47] TINY PERCENTAGE OF THE FEDERAL BUDGET.
[01:57:51] WHEN YOU REFIRE THEM YOU REPLACE
[01:57:55] THEM WITH HIGHER PRICED CONTRACTORS.
[01:57:58] DOGE FIRED PEOPLE SAFEGUARDING
[01:58:03] OUR NUCLEAR STOCK PILE AND THEN REHIRED THEM.
[01:58:06] THERE'S TALKS ABOUT HOW NEGATIVE
[01:58:09] THE USAID CUTS WERE FOR FARM IRS
[01:58:14] ACCESSING SERVERS.
[01:58:15] THE FOUNDERS PUT THE FIRST
[01:58:19] BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT AS THE POWER OF THE PURSE.
[01:58:23] WE THINK THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS IN A BIPARTISAN MANNER.
[01:58:27] THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THESE CHANGES ARE GOING TO STICK.
[01:58:29] OTHERWISE WE'LL KEEP WHIPLASHING
[01:58:33] BETWEEN ONE ADMINISTRATION THAT MAYBE HAS A DOGE LIKE APPROACH
[01:58:36] AND ANOTHER WHERE IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO REMOVE SOMEONE WHO
[01:58:39] TRULY SHOULD BE REMOVED. WE WANT TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON HOW
[01:58:43] DO YOU DESIGN A CIVIL SERVICE
[01:58:45] THAT BALANCES DUE PROCESS WITH SPEED. BEFORE THERE WAS TOO LITTLE
[01:58:49] SPEED AND NOW THERE'S NO DUE PROCESS.
[01:58:51] HOW DO YOU BRING THEM TOGETHER?
[01:58:53] HOST: IN YOUR NEW REPORT, THE
[01:58:56] TITLE IS "FAST BUT FAIR FEDERAL
[01:58:59] FIRING, BALANCING SPEED AND DUE PROCESS WHEN REMOVING EMPLOYEES
[01:59:02] FOR CAUSE". SO SOUNDS LIKE YOU AGREE THAT
[01:59:05] THE PROCESS BEFORE DOGE WAS WAY
[01:59:12] TOO SLOW. THE GOVERNMENT HAD A HARD TIME GETTING RID OF EMPLOYEES WHO
[01:59:15] SHOULD NOT BE IN THOSE POSITIONS. WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEFORE?
[01:59:18] >> WE HAVE A GIANT SPAGHETTI DIAGRAM, WE'LL SHOW IT IN A
[01:59:22] MINUTE AND IT'S ON YOUTUBE.
[01:59:24] YOU CAN HEAR MY VOICE WALKING THROUGH IT FOR 37 MINUTES IF YOU
[01:59:28] WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT IN DETAIL.
[01:59:30] WHAT WE DID IS WE BROUGHT
[01:59:32] TOGETHER TEN MANAGERS FROM TEN FEDERAL AGENCIES WITH A COMBINED
[01:59:37] 181 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHO HAD
[01:59:38] ACTUALLY TRIED TO REMOVE SOMEONE WITH SERIOUS CONDUCT OR
[01:59:42] PERFORMANCE ISSUES. BETWEEN THE TEN OF US, THERE
[01:59:46] WERE 22 SERIOUS CONDUCT AND PERFORMANCE ISSUES.
[01:59:48] AND THEN FOR 12 OF THOSE, THE
[01:59:51] MANAGERS WERE WILLING TO -- REALLY DETAILED RECONSTRUCTION
[01:59:54] WITH US AT THE TIME. FOR THE ONES ACTUALLY REMOVED IT
[01:59:57] TOOK 21 MONTHS PR THE TIME THEY IDENTIFIED THE PROBLEM TO THE
[02:00:01] TIME THE PERSON WAS REMOVED.
[02:00:02] JUST THE MANAGER'S TIME FOR A PERFORMANCE CASE WAS 542 HOURS
[02:00:06] OF THEIR TIME. SO ABOUT A QUARTER OF A WORK
[02:00:09] YEAR FOR A CONDUCT CASE IT WAS
[02:00:12] 292 HOURS. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE
[02:00:15] TIME FOR HR AND LEGAL. AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE
[02:00:19] POST REMOVAL APPEALS FOR THE
[02:00:22] MERIT BOARD OFFICE OF SPECIAL COUNSEL AND THE EQUAL
[02:00:26] OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYMENT--
[02:00:31] THERE'S A LOT MORE BUT YOU CAN SEE IT ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL.
[02:00:34] HOST: SHELLEY IS IN SPRINGFIELD,
[02:00:38] VIRGINIA. WELCOME TO THE CONVERSATION. GO AHEAD.
[02:00:42] SHELLEY IN SPRINGFIELD, VIRGINIA? CALLER: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
[02:00:45] HOST: WE CAN. GO AHEAD.
[02:00:49] QUESTION OR COMMENT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE.
[02:00:51] CALLER: I WAS ONE OF THE
[02:00:56] EMPLOYEES SUBJECT TO THE DOGE CUTS LAST YEAR. I HAD WORKED IN THE FEDERAL
[02:01:00] GOVERNMENT TECHNICALLY SINCE 1987.
[02:01:02] I WORKED UNTIL MY LAST DAY OF
[02:01:05] AUGUST 1, 2025. MY SITUATION WASN'T BECAUSE OF
[02:01:10] DEFICIENCIES OR PEOPLE THAT NEEDED TO GO BECAUSE THEY
[02:01:12] WEREN'T DOING THEIR JOB. MY UNIT WAS ALWAYS HIGHLY RATED.
[02:01:16] WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL AND FUNCTIONAL. THEY JUST MADE RANDOM CUTS AND
[02:01:21] DECIDED OH, WE DON'T NEED
[02:01:26] STATISTICS ANYMORE. I WENT TO ONE OF THE FEDERAL STATISTICAL AGENCIES THAT WAS
[02:01:29] GUTTED BY 97%.
[02:01:30] THEY SLOWLY HAVE HAD TO HIRE
[02:01:37] SOME PEOPLE BACK. BECAUSE OF MY AGE, I'M JUST RETIRED NOW.
[02:01:40] I PROBABLY WON'T WORK AGAIN FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
[02:01:44] NOT AFTER THAT EXPERIENCE.
[02:01:49] IT WASN'T COST SAVING.
[02:01:52] THE WORK IS STILL REQUIRED. STILL STATUTORILY REQUIRED.
[02:02:00] THINGS LIKE MY PART, WHICH WAS
[02:02:02] IN CONFIDENTIALITY AND PROTECTION OF RESPONDENTS WHO DO
[02:02:06] FEDERAL SERVICE. IT DIDN'T SAVE ANY MONEY AT ALL
[02:02:09] THAT I CAN SEE. I THINK IT SPENT MORE MONEY.
[02:02:13] I WAS PAID FOR APPROXIMATELY 4.5
[02:02:16] MONTHS SINCE THE DATE OF THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT TO NOT WORK.
[02:02:20] CANNOT DO MY JOB.
[02:02:24] -- TO NOT DO MY JOB. I WILL SAY ONE LAST THING.
[02:02:29] THEY HAD A GUY FROM THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION HERE WHO TRIED TO
[02:02:31] EXPLAIN THAT EVEN THOUGH HE IS
[02:02:33] STILL TOUTING THAT THIS WAS COST-SAVING, WE SAVED SO MUCH
[02:02:38] MONEY, I DON'T SEE THAT WE SAVED ANY MONEY AT ALL.
[02:02:40] HOST: OK, SHELLEY. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY
[02:02:44] TODAY. APRIL HARDING? GUEST: THE POINT ABOUT
[02:02:48] EFFICIENCY AND COST SAVINGS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE
[02:02:52] TACKLING FIRING FOR A CAUSE IS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, OUR GOAL IS
[02:02:56] AN EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT DOES
[02:02:58] WHAT IT IS MEANT TO DO FOR THE
[02:03:02] AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND A GOVERNMENT THAT COSTS LESS BUT DOES NOT DELIVER VALUE OR
[02:03:06] CREATE THE OUTCOMES THAT ITS
[02:03:08] INTENDED TO DELIVER IS NOT EFFICIENT.
[02:03:11] I WAS A MISSING LINK IN THE WAY THESE CUTS WERE HANDLED.
[02:03:14] IT WAS ABOUT REDUCING WORKFORCE WITHOUT ANY CLEAR TIE TO WHAT
[02:03:17] THAT MEANT FOR WHAT THE
[02:03:21] WORKFORCE HAD PRODUCING AND WHAT THEY COULD PRODUCE.
[02:03:22] GUEST: TO SHELLEY'S POINT,
[02:03:26] CONGRESS HAS THE POWER FIRST. IF THIS IS STILL STATUTORILY
[02:03:29] REQUIRED AND WE WANT THESE STATISTICS IN ORDER TO RUN OUR
[02:03:32] COUNTRY, WE SHOULD NOT BE FIRING
[02:03:35] THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THAT. WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR
[02:03:38] EFFICIENCIES, WAYS TO AUTOMATE A FEW THINGS THEY ARE DOING BUT,
[02:03:44] YEAH. THE POINT IS YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT, SHELLEY. 100%.
[02:03:47] IT WAS RANDOM, BASED ON LETTING
[02:03:50] PEOPLE GO WITH THE LEAST
[02:03:54] PROTECTIONS OR A DE FACTO
[02:03:56] REDUCTION OF FORCE WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION. BUT IT WAS NOT TIED TO
[02:04:01] PERFORMANCE. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS GETTING AWAY FROM THIS
[02:04:03] RANDOMNESS TO A SYSTEM THAT BALANCES THE SPEED AND DUE
[02:04:07] PROCESS AND GIVES PEOPLE CONFIDENCE THEY WILL HAVE A
[02:04:12] CIVIL SERVICE THAT THEY CAN DELIVER.
[02:04:14] HOST: WE WILL GO DOWN TO GEORGIA.
[02:04:17] BILL, GOOD REPUBLICAN --
[02:04:21] BILL, REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING.
[02:04:22] CALLER: THE FAA SENT OUT A
[02:04:26] REPORT THAT THE AIRCRAFT DISASTER IN NEW YORK, WHERE A
[02:04:30] COUPLE OF PILOTS WERE KILLED, AIR CANADA PILOTS, YESTERDAY
[02:04:33] THEY DECLARED THAT THE AIR
[02:04:37] TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS LEFT THEIR
[02:04:38] POST EARLY AND THERE WAS NOT
[02:04:43] ENOUGH PEOPLE IN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TO PREVENT THE ACCIDENT
[02:04:45] WHERE THE PLATE -- PLANE DROVE
[02:04:49] INTO A FIRE TRUCK.
[02:04:52] THOSE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS HAVE A SPECIAL PROGRAM WHERE THEY CAN'T BE FIRED, THEY CAN'T
[02:04:56] BE LET GO. THIS IS TYPICAL OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.
[02:05:00] THESE LADIES HERE ARE SO TYPICAL OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.
[02:05:02] HOST: LET'S FIND OUT. IS THAT TYPICAL?
[02:05:05] GUEST: IT'S NOT TYPICAL.
[02:05:08] IT'S DEFINITELY UNCOMMON BUT WE THINK IT'S TOO HARD TO ADDRESS
[02:05:12] THAT WHEN IT OCCURS. BILL, I AGREE WITH YOU. I SAW THAT STORY.
[02:05:16] THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE
[02:05:22] BEING ABSENT WITHOUT LEAVE IN A REALLY CRITICAL JOB.
[02:05:26] IT SHOWS POST DOGE, PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING REMOVED BECAUSE THIS
[02:05:29] CRASH OCCURRED ON MARCH 22. THERE'S ALL THIS FANFARE AROUND
[02:05:33] RANDOM CUTS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFORMANCE BUT YET WHEN THERE IS A PERFORMANCE ISSUE,
[02:05:36] PEOPLE WHO CREATED A HORRIBLE
[02:05:40] MESS ON MARCH 22 ARE STILL ON THE JOB. I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE ON
[02:05:44] ADMINISTERED OF LEAP BUT THAT'S OUR POINT.
[02:05:49] -- ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE BUT THAT'S OUR POINT.
[02:05:56] -- 10 OF THE 22 PEOPLE WERE SUCCESSFULLY REMOVED FROM FEDERAL SERVICE.
[02:06:00] I PERSONALLY HAVE REMOVED AN EMPLOYEE FROM FEDERAL SERVICE.
[02:06:04] IT TOOK TWO YEARS. IT'S A REALLY LENGTHY PROCESS.
[02:06:07] OUR POINT IS, IN OUR PAPER WHICH
[02:06:10] I HOPE YOU WILL READ, THE
[02:06:11] PROCESS IS DESIGNED WITH AGENCY
[02:06:16] REGULATIONS AND BUREAU REGULATIONS. ON TOP OF THAT COLLECTIVE
[02:06:19] BARGAINING AGREEMENT, IT HAS MADE IT SO BURDENSOME FOR
[02:06:25] MANAGERS TO REMOVE PEOPLE THROUGH EIGHT NORMAL ORDERLY
[02:06:28] PROCESS THAT IT CREATES THE SPACE FOR RANDOM REMOVALS.
[02:06:31] WE WANT TO GET BACK TO A NORMAL, ORDERLY PROCESS THAT DOES ALLOW
[02:06:34] US TO DEAL PROACTIVELY WITH THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, BILL.
[02:06:38] HOST: TWO YEARS TO REMOVE AN
[02:06:43] EMPLOYEE, APRIL HARDING. THAT'S TYPICAL? GUEST: WE HAVE FOUND THAT IS
[02:06:46] TYPICAL FOR SOME TYPES OF REMOVALS. THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS IT TAKES TOO ALONG.
[02:06:50] IT TAKES LONGER IN GOVERNMENT
[02:06:53] THAN IT DID FOR ME IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THE ROOT CAUSE OF THAT IS THERE
[02:06:57] IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PROCESS.
[02:07:00] THAT'S WHY WE STARTED WITH DOCUMENTING THE WAY THAT THE
[02:07:02] MULTIPLE PROCESSES INTERSECT AND THE MULTIPLE OFFER RANTS AND
[02:07:06] LOOPS THAT I CAN GO THROUGH. ONE OF OUR CORE RECOMMENDATIONS
[02:07:09] IS TO CREATE A SINGLE GOVERNMENT WIDE TRANSPARENT, DOCUMENT
[02:07:13] PROCESS AND CREATE A SOURCE
[02:07:17] OF TRUTH FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
[02:07:18] THAT PROCESS AND A SINGLE FILE
[02:07:23] OF APPEALS IF NEEDED.
[02:07:26] REALLY CLEANING UP AND MAKING IT SO THAT IT WORKS FASTER AND BETTER.
[02:07:29] HOST: FROM YOU IS WHO WANT TO
[02:07:32] DIG INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS
[02:07:34] REPORT, GO TO WETHEDOERS.ORG.
[02:07:41] LINDA IN UTAH, YOU ARE NEXT. ARE YOU A FEDERAL WORKER?
[02:07:43] CALLER: I AM A FORMER FEDERAL WORKER.
[02:07:46] HOST: OK. TELL US YOUR STORY.
[02:07:50] CALLER: WHEN THE IRS HAD THE
[02:07:53] MASS LAYOFFS, PEOPLE ARE BEING HIRED BACK THAT WORKED FOR THE IRS.
[02:07:57] THEY WERE 12, 13 AND 14.
[02:08:07] I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S IMPROVING THE GOVERNMENT.
[02:08:10] AND YET, WE STILL HAVE MANAGEMENT THAT MOVES PEOPLE
[02:08:13] AROUND INTO POSITIONS THAT THEY
[02:08:15] ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR, BECAUSE
[02:08:18] THEY HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE MANAGEMENT LIKES THEM MORE NOW THAN BEFORE.
[02:08:24] I FIND THAT VERY INTERESTING. HOST: LINDA, I WANT TO PICK UP
[02:08:27] ON WHAT SHE SAID.
[02:08:30] 12'S, 13'S AND COMING BACK, IT'S FIVES, SEVENS, NINES.
[02:08:35] WHAT'S THE SCALE? -- EXPLAIN THE SCALE.
[02:08:38] GUEST: THERE'S THE GENERAL
[02:08:43] WAGES. IT GOES UP TO WAIT 15. A GENERAL OFFICE WORKER STARTS
[02:08:47] AT SEVEN, IT DOESN'T REALLY START AT ONE. ALTHOUGH I GUESS SOME PEOPLE ARE
[02:08:51] COMING BACK AS FIVE.
[02:08:53] 11, 12, 13 IS MID TO HIGH END OF THAT SCALE.
[02:08:56] YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MAKING
[02:08:58] PROBABLY IN A RANGE OF 90,000
[02:09:02] DOLLARS TO $125,000. HOST: IF YOU ARE A 12 OR A 13.
[02:09:07] GUEST: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
[02:09:11] NUMBERS ARE BUT THE FIVE AND SEVEN, IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT PAY WORK AND THEY ARE BEING
[02:09:14] ASKED TO DO THE SAME WORK. WE DID NOT GET INTO THE
[02:09:17] CLASSIFICATION, ALTHOUGH HE'S BEEN WORKING.
[02:09:21] HOST: DID YOU FIND OUT THAT
[02:09:27] PEOPLE WHO WERE FIRED BY THE DOGE PROCESS, IF THEY CAME BACK,
[02:09:30] THEY WERE COMING BACK AT A LOWER LEVEL?
[02:09:32] GUEST: I DID NOT OBSERVE THAT
[02:09:36] WHILE I WAS STILL IN GOVERNMENT. I THINK THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE I DEPARTED.
[02:09:39] WHAT I CAN SAY IN PARTICULAR FOR THE IRS AND I BELIEVE IT'S
[02:09:43] HAPPENING IN MULTIPLE AGENCIES, WHEN THERE IS A GAP THAT IS
[02:09:45] ARBITRARY AND NOT STRATEGIC AND WE ARE REMOVING A LOT OF PEOPLE
[02:09:48] AND THEN THERE IS SUDDENLY AN ISSUE WITH WORKFORCE AND
[02:09:52] BRINGING PEOPLE BACK, IT'S NOT THE BEST WAY TO REFILL THOSE
[02:09:54] SLOTS IN TERMS OF SERVICE DELIVERY. THERE'S A LOT OF SHUFFLING
[02:09:58] AROUND THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE EXISTING WORKFORCE.
[02:10:00] THE HYPOTHESIS SEEMED TO BE THAT IF YOU REMOVE AN ARBITRARY SET
[02:10:04] OF PEOPLE, YOU CAN MOVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL EMPLOYED INTO THOSE ROLES.
[02:10:08] AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
[02:10:11] BUT, IT DOES CAUSE DISRUPTION, BRINGING PEOPLE BACK AND
[02:10:14] UNDERPAYING THEM IS NOT LIKELY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM ANY FASTER
[02:10:17] THAN PUTTING THE WRONG PEOPLE IN THESE JOBS.
[02:10:19] HOST: WE WILL GO TO BARBARA IN
[02:10:23] BLACKSBURG, VIRGINIA. INDEPENDENT. CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY
[02:10:28] CALL. THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN.
[02:10:31] YOUR GUESTS ARE PROBABLY
[02:10:34] FAMILIAR WITH MICHAEL LEWIS'S
[02:10:38] BOOK, WHO IS GOVERNMENT?
[02:10:42] IT IS A SERIES OF INTERVIEWS AND
[02:10:44] ESSAYS ABOUT PUBLIC SERVANTS.
[02:10:49] AND JUST HOW HARD-WORKING THEY ARE.
[02:10:52] AND WHY THEY PREFER TO PERHAPS
[02:10:56] MAKE LESS MONEY FOR THE FEDERAL
[02:11:01] GOVERNMENT THAN THEY MIGHT GET
[02:11:04] IN PUBLIC SECTOR -- PRIVATE SECTOR.
[02:11:07] I BELIEVE I FIRST SAW HIM IN
[02:11:09] WASHINGTON JOURNAL A YEAR AGO,
[02:11:12] TALKING ABOUT THIS BOOK.
[02:11:13] AND I THINK ONE OF THE -- I
[02:11:18] DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, THE TIMES OR THE
[02:11:21] POST, RAN A SERIES OF THESE
[02:11:24] ESSAYS, BACK A YEAR AGO.
[02:11:29] GUEST: YOU READ IT, RIGHT? GUEST: I HAVE.
[02:11:33] THE PREMISE OF THE BOOK IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE PUBLIC
[02:11:37] SERVANTS ARE VERY MISSION MOTIVATED AND MY DIRECT
[02:11:39] EXPERIENCE WITH MY TEAM AND IRS,
[02:11:43] THE REASON I PIVOTED INTO GOVERNMENT VERY INTENTIONALLY
[02:11:46] WAS BECAUSE I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT AMERICA AND THE MISSION AND THE
[02:11:50] WORK THAT WE DO. AND THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.
[02:11:56] ONE OF THE CORE REASONS WE
[02:11:59] FOCUSED ON FIRING AS AN UNDERLYING IMPORTANT THING TO
[02:12:03] RESOLVE TO BUILD A MORE PRODUCTIVE AND EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE CIVIL SERVICE IS
[02:12:06] BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THE JOB WHO ARE NOT PERFORMING,
[02:12:10] SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO PICK UP ALL THAT WORK. IT BECOMES A DRAG ON MORALE AND
[02:12:14] PRODUCTIVITY AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE VAST MAJORITY OF CIVIL SERVANTS WHO
[02:12:17] ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING DAY IN AND DAY OUT, WORKING EXTREMELY HARD FOR ALL OF US.
[02:12:22] HOST: DENNIS IN JANESVILLE,
[02:12:25] WISCONSIN, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. YOU ARE TALKING WITH MAUREEN
[02:12:29] KLOVERS AND APRIL HARDING.
[02:12:31] CALLER: GOOD MORNING MY FATHER
[02:12:34] WAS A GRADUATE WITH A MASTERS IN
[02:12:38] BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION. HE WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL HR GUYS FROM 1940.
[02:12:43] I CONTACTED MY CONGRESSMAN PROBABLY 20 TO 25 YEARS AGO.
[02:12:46] THE SITUATION AT DHS AND THE IRS
[02:12:51] , THEY JUST LAY PEOPLE OFF.
[02:12:53] LAST TIME I HAD BUSINESS WITH THE IRS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, I
[02:12:56] WAS ON HOLD FOR FIVE CALLS, 50
[02:13:02] MINUTES EACH. ON MY FIFTH CALL, I FINALLY GOT
[02:13:05] THROUGH ON THE LAST MINUTE AND I EXPLAINED THE SITUATION TO THE
[02:13:08] WORKER AND THEY SAID GOSH, YOU
[02:13:11] ARE ONE OF THE LOCKER -- LUCKY ONES.
[02:13:18] AT&T, THEY ARE TAKING $100
[02:13:20] MILLION IN TAX DOLLARS FOR WHAT
[02:13:22] OUGHT TO BE HIT ONE, LEAVE A MESSAGE, TELL US WHAT YOU ARE
[02:13:27] LOOKING FOR, DIRECT THE INFORMATION SO THE AGENT YOU ARE
[02:13:30] DEALING WITH CAN GO TO WORK ON IT AND HAVE AN IDEA.
[02:13:35] INSTEAD, AFTER 250 MINUTES ON
[02:13:38] HOLD, INSTEAD OF HAVING YOUR AGENT HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOMEBODY
[02:13:41] LIKE ME, WHO IS ABOUT READY TO
[02:13:43] GO POSTAL ON HIM, AND TRUMP --
[02:13:50] HOST: I'LL JUMP IN.
[02:13:53] APRIL HARDING, YOU WORK ON IRS. YOUR THOUGHTS AS YOU ARE LISTENING TO THAT STORY?
[02:13:57] GUEST: UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS A
[02:14:00] PRETTY TYPICAL STORY. IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS
[02:14:04] ADMINISTRATION AND IT'S EVEN MORE SO BASED ON WHAT'S
[02:14:07] BEEN REPORTED IN THE LAST YEAR.
[02:14:10] BEYOND JUST REMOVING EMPLOYEES, THERE IS AN ISSUE BEING
[02:14:13] DESCRIBED HERE WHICH IS THAT THERE IS AN INABILITY RIGHT NOW
[02:14:17] FOR FEDERAL AGENCIES TO DO LONG-TERM PLANNING, LONG-TERM
[02:14:21] STRATEGIC INVESTMENT. I WAS IRS DURING THE TIME WE HAVE FUNDING AND MANDATE FOR
[02:14:25] DIGITAL TRANSFORMATION, REDUCING CALL TIMES WAS A KEY PART OF THAT.
[02:14:27] MY WORK AS AN EXPERIENCED
[02:14:31] DESIGNER, ONE THING I TALKED ABOUT A LOT AT IRS WAS THE BEST WAY TO REDUCE CALL TIMES WAS TO
[02:14:34] MAKE IT SO -- SO THAT NO ONE
[02:14:39] NEEDS TO CALL IN THE FIRST PLACE.
[02:14:42] CALLBACK HAS BEEN INTRODUCED BUT ONLY FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF PHONE LINES.
[02:14:46] THAT'S A RESOLUTION TO A SYMPTOM OF A PROBLEM.
[02:14:49] WHAT WE ADVOCATE IS OUTCOMES
[02:14:53] DRIVEN STRATEGIC PLANNING AND RESOLVING THE STATUTORY AND REGULAR TORY CONSTRAINTS THAT
[02:14:56] PREVENT AGENCIES FROM DOING THAT.
[02:14:59] BECAUSE IT'S A WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT ISSUE AND A WHOLE OF
[02:15:03] IRS ISSUE TO SOLVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT LEAD TO A PERSON EXPERIENCING WHAT THE CALLER
[02:15:06] JUST DESCRIBED. HOST: RANDY IN ILLINOIS, GOOD
[02:15:10] MORNING TO YOU. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[02:15:12] HOST: ARE YOU A CURRENT OR
[02:15:15] FORMER FEDERAL EMPLOYEE? CALLER: A FORMER EMPLOYEE.
[02:15:19] I'M A PROUD GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE WHO PUT IN 33 YEARS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
[02:15:23] WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO
[02:15:24] THESE TWO YOUNG LADIES, I CAN
[02:15:27] TELL THAT THEY ARE BOTH MANAGERS BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT
[02:15:31] NOW, FOR A FACT, THE BIGGEST
[02:15:34] FALLACY OUT THERE IS THAT YOU CAN NEVER FIRE A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE.
[02:15:38] I KNOW FOR A FACT THEY CAN FIRE
[02:15:39] FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND IT IS DONE PROPERLY.
[02:15:43] THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE GOT IS LOW PERFORMING MANAGERS DON'T KNOW
[02:15:46] HOW TO DO THEIR JOBS.
[02:15:48] THESE LADIES EXPLAINED HOW IT
[02:15:53] TAKES TWO YEARS AND ALL OF THAT. THAT'S A BUNCH OF BALONEY.
[02:15:56] IF THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD AND READ THE RULES AND THE
[02:16:00] REGULATIONS AND THE UNION CONTRACT, THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND.
[02:16:03] IT'S POSSIBLE, YOU JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES.
[02:16:06] I WANT TO ALSO EXPLAIN FIRMLY
[02:16:10] HERE THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO UNION CONTRACT IN THE PUBLIC OR
[02:16:14] THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT SAYS
[02:16:19] MANAGEMENT CANNOT FIRE A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE.
[02:16:22] THAT IS A BUNCH OF BALONEY. AND FEDERAL EMPLOYEES DO GET FIRED.
[02:16:26] HOST: OK, RANDY. YOU'VE MADE YOUR CASE.
[02:16:29] LET'S GET A RESPONSE. GUEST: I'M GLAD HE BROUGHT THAT UP.
[02:16:32] WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT?
[02:16:37] FIRST OFF, WE AGREE WITH YOU THAT NOT ALL MANAGERS ARE
[02:16:41] CREATED EQUAL. WE WERE GIVING THE MANAGER'S PERSPECTIVE.
[02:16:43] FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO CLEAR PROCESS. THERE IS A PROCESS IF YOU GO TO
[02:16:46] THE STATUTE, IT'S VERY SHORT. IF YOU GO TO THE OPM, IT'S A BIT
[02:16:50] LONGER. WHAT WE FOUND ACROSS THE 10 MANAGERS AT 10 DIFFERENT
[02:16:54] AGENCIES IS THE PROCESS IS DIFFERENT AT EVERY AGENCY AND IT
[02:16:58] DEPENDS WHICH HR A LEGAL PERSON YOU ARE ASSIGNED. PART OF THE CHALLENGE WE
[02:17:02] EXPERIENCED AS MANAGERS WAS HR
[02:17:05] AND LEGAL WERE VERY RISK-AVERSE. VERY OVERBURDENED AND FREQUENTLY
[02:17:09] WOULD NOT GET BACK TO US FOR MONTHS AT A TIME WITH FEEDBACK
[02:17:12] ABOUT HOW TO STRUCTURE A PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
[02:17:16] BEYOND THAT, THERE ARE ALL THESE OFF RAMPS TO THE PROCESS.
[02:17:19] AN EMPLOYEE, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN
[02:17:21] TAKE FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE, WHICH IS A GREAT ACT FOR MOST PEOPLE.
[02:17:25] BUT WHEN IT INTERSECTS WITH THE DISCIPLINE PROCESS, IT CAN
[02:17:29] CREATE SIGNIFICANT DELAYS. THEY CAN REQUEST REASONABLE
[02:17:32] ACCOMMODATION AND USE THAT TO CREATE A DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION CLAIM IT LATER.
[02:17:36] THEY CAN FILE A GRIEVANCE. IF THEY HAVE A UNION, THEY GET
[02:17:40] THE UNION INVOLVED, TYPICALLY. THEY CAN GO TO THEIR EQUAL
[02:17:43] EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY OFFICE AND FILE A COMPLAINT. WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS WE HAD
[02:17:47] 12 CASES WE LOOKED AT IN DETAIL. THREE OF WHICH INVOLVED FAMILY
[02:17:52] MEDICAL LEAVE.
[02:17:54] 10 OF THE 12 INVOLVED EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY.
[02:17:57] NONE OF THOSE GRIEVANCES AND NONE OF THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE UPHELD.
[02:18:03] THEY DELAYED THE PROCESS BY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.
[02:18:07] IT TAKES ON AVERAGE 21 MONTHS TO
[02:18:09] GET TO REMOVAL THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES.
[02:18:12] AND THEN AFTER REMOVAL, CASES WERE BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH
[02:18:15] BETWEEN THE OSC AND THE ESE.
[02:18:21] WE TALKED TO ONE WOMAN IN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND SHE
[02:18:23] RECOUNTED A CASE THAT WENT FOR 10 YEARS RICOCHETING BETWEEN
[02:18:28] THESE BODIES.
[02:18:32] SHE HAD TO SETTLE BECAUSE NONE OF THE WITNESSES WERE AVAILABLE ANYMORE.
[02:18:34] HOST: THANK YOU BOTH OF YOU FOR
[02:18:38] THE CONVERSATION THIS MORNING.
[02:18:45] UP, A DISCUSSION WITH LINDSAY
[02:18:49] CHERVINSKY ON THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE BATTLE OF
[02:18:53] BROOKLYN AND HOW IT SHAPED THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. STAY WITH US.
[02:18:56] ♪
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[02:19:09] THAT TELL THE AMERICAN STORY. AT 1:30 P.M. EASTERN, WE WILL
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[02:19:18] ANNUAL CELEBRATION'S FAMOUS LANDMARKS, STORIES FROM THE
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[02:19:23] WITH THE ICONIC BUTTER COW. LATER, A HISTORICAL TOUR OF THE
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[02:19:28] D.C., HOME OF THE PRESIDENT'S OWN U.S. MARINE BANK.
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[02:19:38] AND THEN AT 7:00, AS PART OF OUR IN PURSUIT SERIES ON
[02:19:42] PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP,
[02:19:45] JOURNALISTS AND HISTORIANS REFLECT ON WARREN HARDING, FIRST
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[02:20:12] SUNDAY, WITH OUR GUEST, AWARD-WINNING GLOBAL NUMBER ONE
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[02:20:21] PUBLISHED IN OVER 45 LANGUAGES, IN MORE THAN 80 COUNTRIES.
[02:20:25] HE JOINS OUR HOST, RENOWNED AUTHOR AND CIVIC LEADER, DAVID RUBENSTEIN.
[02:20:28] HOST: SO, WHEN YOU ARE WRITING,
[02:20:34] DO YOU EVER SAY TO YOURSELF, DO YOU EVER DAYDREAM OR LOSE YOUR
[02:20:37] TRAIN OF THOUGHT?
[02:20:40] OR ARE YOU JUST TUNNEL VISION ON WHAT YOU ARE WRITING?
[02:20:42] >> I DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
[02:20:45] I HAVE TUNNEL VISION AND I LET MY IMAGINATION RUN.
[02:20:48] I HAVE FOUND THAT WHEN I TRY TO KEEP MY IMAGINATION IN CHECK, I
[02:20:52] MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. I DON'T WANT TO MISS OPPORTUNITIES. PEOPLE ASK WHERE I GET MY IDEAS
[02:20:57] FROM, I GET UP EVERYDAY AND WALK OUT THE DOOR AND SEE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME.
[02:21:00] I'M NOT ON MY IPHONE, LOOKING AT MY IPHONE.
[02:21:04] I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE. I'VE GOTTEN IDEAS FROM WALKING
[02:21:07] DOWN THE STREET AND SEEING TWO PEOPLE TALKING AND I'M WONDERING WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?
[02:21:11] MAYBE I CAN ANSWER THAT MYSELF. OR I SEE A GUY WITH A BOX GET ON
[02:21:15] A BUS, I WONDER WHAT'S IN THE BOX AND WHERE IS THE GUY GOING?
[02:21:21] AND THEN I HAVE A STORY FROM THAT. THE IDEAS ARE AROUND YOU ALL THE TIME.
[02:21:25] IT'S JUST YOU ARE NOT RECEPTIVE
[02:21:28] ABOUT SEEING SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES.
[02:21:30] ONCE YOU ARE RECEPTIVE, THEN
[02:21:34] YOU WILL HAVE TOO IDEAS.
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[02:22:18] >> WASHINGTON JOURNAL CONTINUES.
[02:22:21] >> AT OUR TABLE THIS MORNING,
[02:22:25] LINDSAY CHERVINSKY HERE WITH A HISTORY LESSON.
[02:22:26] HOST: LET'S BEGIN WITH YOUR
[02:22:30] PIECE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. HOW GEORGE WASHINGTON'S DEFEAT
[02:22:34] LED TO AMERICA'S VICTORY.
[02:22:37] AFTER LOSING THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN, THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF CHANGED STRATEGY AND THE COURSE
[02:22:41] OF HISTORY. GUEST: YEAH, HE DID. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
[02:22:45] IT'S A THRILL TO BE HERE. YESTERDAY WAS THE 250TH
[02:22:48] ANNIVERSARY OF THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN, THE BATTLE OF LONG ISLAND.
[02:22:51] IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST DEFEATS AMERICANS EXPERIENCED.
[02:22:55] BOTH IN TERMS OF LOGISTICALLY AND IT ULTIMATELY LED TO THE
[02:22:59] LOSS OF NEW YORK, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF
[02:23:02] CASUALTIES, THE PEOPLE CAPTURED, IT WAS REALLY EMBARRASSING. I THINK THE TAKE AWAY IS OUT OF
[02:23:07] THE DEEP, DARK MOMENTS OF
[02:23:12] SEPTEMBER OF 1776, CAME THE MOMENTS THAT LEAD TO SUCCESS.
[02:23:16] HOST: WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN?
[02:23:19] GUEST: WASHINGTON AND HENRY KNOX
[02:23:24] BROUGHT THE FAMOUS CANNONS TO THE TOP OF THE HILLS AROUND
[02:23:27] BOSTON AND FORCED THE BRITISH NAVY OUT OF THE CITY. THAT WAS A GREAT VICTORY.
[02:23:31] I THINK IT WENT FOR A LONG WAY TOWARD PROVING TO THE AMERICANS
[02:23:35] THAT INDEPENDENCE MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. THEN THE BRITISH NAVY DISAPPEARED FOR A MOMENT.
[02:23:39] THEY WENT UP TO CANADA
[02:23:40] ALTERNATELY AND WASHING --
[02:23:44] ULTIMATELY AND WASHINGTON SUSPECTED HE WOULD -- THEY WOULD
[02:23:48] GO DOWN TO NEW YORK. NEW YORK HARBOR IT WAS THE MOST
[02:23:51] VALUABLE HARBOR BECAUSE IT WAS A DEEPWATER PORT AND STILL IS.
[02:23:54] THE IDEA WAS TO TRY AND DEFEND THIS HARBOR.
[02:23:56] JUST BEFORE JULY 4, THE BRITISH NAVY STARTED TO COME IN AND IT
[02:24:02] WAS DESCRIBED AS THE LARGEST FLOATING FORCE THAT HAD EVER BEEN COMPILED.
[02:24:06] HOST: YOU SAID IT CHANGED
[02:24:10] STRATEGY FOR THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. HOW SO? GUEST: WASHINGTON REALIZED THE
[02:24:14] ARMY HE HAD, ULTIMATELY THEY WOULD BECOME MUCH MORE RESPECTABLE. THEY WOULD BECOME MORE
[02:24:18] PROFESSIONAL. BUT THEY WERE NOT THERE YET. AND SO HE REALIZED THEY COULD
[02:24:22] NOT HAVE ANY COMPLEX BATTLE PLANS.
[02:24:25] HE CANNOT EXPECT THEM TO ENGAGE
[02:24:28] IN FULL FRONTAL BATTLE WITH THE
[02:24:30] BRITISH BECAUSE IF THE ARMY WAS
[02:24:34] DESTROYED, THE CAUSE FOR INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE DESTROYED.
[02:24:37] HE DIDN'T HAVE TO WIN ON THE BATTLEFIELD, HE JUST HAD TO SURVIVE.
[02:24:41] HE STARTED TO PRIORITIZE SURVIVAL AND ESCAPE MUCH MORE THAN THE BIG WIN.
[02:24:44] HOST: HOW DID THIS CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORY?
[02:24:48] GUEST: TODAY, WE THINK OF THINGS LIKE INSURGENT WAR AND WE THINK
[02:24:52] OF VIETNAM AND THE WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME, AT
[02:24:55] LEAST CERTAINLY IN ANY OF THEIR MEMORIES AND IN RECENT HISTORY
[02:24:59] THAT AN INSURGENT WAR HAD BEEN
[02:25:05] WON. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME A COLONY DECLARED INDEPENDENCE AND
[02:25:09] ACHIEVED IT.
[02:25:10] IT LED TO OVER -- OTHER
[02:25:14] REVOLUTIONS AROUND THE WORLD. IT WAS A REVOLUTIONARY MOMENT.
[02:25:15] HOST: WHY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR OUR VIEWERS AND THE AMERICAN
[02:25:20] PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THIS BATTLE? GUEST: IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT
[02:25:23] COMES RIGHT AFTER JULY 4. WE HAVE THIS CELEBRATORY MOMENT AND IT'S FOLLOWED BY THIS
[02:25:27] TERRIBLE DEFEAT. THAT REMINDS US THAT NOTHING IS
[02:25:30] EVER INEVITABLE. NOTHING IS EVER GUARANTEED. BUT ALSO CRITICALLY, IT REMINDS
[02:25:34] US THAT IF WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES, WHICH WASHINGTON AND
[02:25:38] THE ARMY DID DO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE FATAL.
[02:25:40] HOST: WE WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE
[02:25:43] MISTAKES BUT I WANT TO INVITE
[02:25:45] OUR VIEWERS TO JOIN US IN THE CONVERSATION THIS MORNING.
[02:25:48] IF YOU LIVED IN THE EASTERN CENTRAL PART OF THE COUNTRY,
[02:25:51] YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8000.
[02:25:55] MOUNTAIN PACIFIC, DIAL IN AT (202) 748-8001.
[02:25:58] WE WILL TAKE YOUR TEXT MESSAGES. INCLUDE YOUR FIRST NAME, CITY
[02:26:01] AND STATE AT (202) 748-8002.
[02:26:05] LINDSAY CHERVINSKY, THE DEFEAT YOU RIGHT IN YOUR PIECE WAS
[02:26:08] LARGELY OF THEIR OWN MAKING. WHAT WERE THE KEY MILITARY
[02:26:12] MISTAKES WASHINGTON'S TROOPS MADE?
[02:26:13] GUEST: I THINK THERE WERE THREE.
[02:26:16] WASHINGTON SPLIT HIS FORCES BETWEEN MANHATTAN AND LONG ISLAND.
[02:26:20] IN GENERAL, IT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA TO SPLIT YOUR FORCES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE GOING
[02:26:23] AGAINST A LARGER FOE, WHICH HE WAS.
[02:26:26] THE SECOND BIG MISTAKE, THIS WAS SURPRISING FOR WASHINGTON BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN A SURVEY OR
[02:26:30] AS A YOUNG MAN SO USUALLY HE HAD A REALLY GOOD SENSE OF TERRITORY.
[02:26:34] BUT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY PROPERLY SCOPE EVERYTHING OUT.
[02:26:38] SO, THERE WERE THREE ROADS LEADING FROM THE BRITISH
[02:26:40] POSITION TO THE AMERICAN POSITION. AND THEY WERE ONLY GUARDING TWO OF THEM.
[02:26:45] THE THIRD ONE WAS LEFT UNDEFENDED. THE THIRD WAS, AND I UNDERSTAND
[02:26:48] WHY THEY WERE TRYING TO DEFEND NEW YORK.
[02:26:52] BUT BOTH LONG ISLAND AND MANHATTAN ARE SURROUNDED BY WATER.
[02:26:55] AND AMERICANS DIDN'T HAVE THE NAVY. BRITAIN HAD THE LARGEST NAVY IN THE WORLD.
[02:26:59] I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DEFEND ULTIMATELY
[02:27:03] POSITION SWING YOU ARE GOING TO BE SURROUNDED ON BOTH SIDES BY
[02:27:06] THE BIGGEST NAVY.
[02:27:07] HOST: WHAT THE DIFF -- WHAT DID
[02:27:12] THE DEFEAT SAY ABOUT WASHINGTON'S LEADERSHIP? GUEST: IT CAUSE PEOPLE TO
[02:27:16] QUESTION HIS CHOICES BECAUSE IT WAS MILITARY 10 ONE.
[02:27:20] THERE WAS A CRITICISM IN 1776 OF HIS GENERALSHIP INCLUDING FROM
[02:27:23] PEOPLE LIKE JOHN ADAMS, WHO HAD
[02:27:25] PUT FORTH HIS NOMINATION AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.
[02:27:29] LATER THAT YEAR, THERE WAS HIS CROSSING OF THE DELAWARE WHICH
[02:27:32] WE ARE COMING UP ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF. AND THE BIG VICTORY, NOT BIG IN
[02:27:37] TERMS OF STRATEGIC VALUE BUT BIG
[02:27:38] IN TERMS OF MORALE, AT TRENTON
[02:27:43] WHERE HE SURPRISED THE HESSIAN FORCES. THAT HELP SUPPRESS THE CRITICISM LONG-TERM.
[02:27:48] HOST: HOW DID WASHINGTON. AFTER THIS DEFEAT?
[02:27:52] GUEST: IN THE 18TH CENTURY,
[02:27:57] CERTAINLY IN THE MILITARY, AND IN SOCIETY IN GENERAL, IT WAS A
[02:28:01] HUGE PART OF WHAT IT MEANT TO BE A MAN AND A GENERAL.
[02:28:04] WASHINGTON HAD TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HUMILITY TO STEP AWAY
[02:28:08] FROM THE IDEA THAT HE WAS GOING TO WIN GLORY ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
[02:28:11] THAT HE WAS GOING TO WIN THIS MASSIVE, DECISIVE VICTORY.
[02:28:14] HE HAD TO BE WILLING TO DO THE LESS GLAMOROUS TYPE OF WAR
[02:28:18] FIGHTING, WHICH WAS THE SKIRMISHES, ON THE BACKEND OF
[02:28:21] THE BRITISH LINE OR HARASSING THEIR SUPPLY CHAIN.
[02:28:25] THESE WERE THINGS THAT WERE REALLY EFFECTIVE. THEY JUST WANT THE TYPE OF
[02:28:28] THINGS THAT YOU USUALLY SEE IN HISTORY BOOKS.
[02:28:31] HOST: WE ARE MARKING SIX MONTHS OF THIS AROUND CONFLICT.
[02:28:36] THE FRONT PAGE OF USA TODAY
[02:28:38] POSES THE QUESTION, WILL THIS BE A BIG PART OF THE PRESIDENT'S
[02:28:44] LEGACY?
[02:28:45] WHAT ROLE DID WAR PLAY OVER OUR 250 YEARS IN THE LEGACY OF PRESIDENT?
[02:28:49] GUEST: THIS IS SUCH A GOOD QUESTION.
[02:28:52] I THINK WARS PLAY HUGE PARTS. BECAUSE WHEN WE THINK OF PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP, WE
[02:28:56] THINK OF THE BIG DECISIONS THAT PRESIDENTS HAVE TO MAKE, THERE'S
[02:28:59] NOTHING GREATER THAN SENDING
[02:29:02] AMERICANS TO -- AND I.
[02:29:07] WE HAVE SEEN PRESIDENTS THEMSELVES ARE RELUCTANT TO GO TO WAR.
[02:29:12] GEORGE H.W. BUSH SERVED IN WORLD
[02:29:14] WAR II AND WAS SHOT DONE -- SHOT
[02:29:18] DOWN AND WAS METICULOUS IN INSURING THE FIRST GULF WAR WAS
[02:29:22] SHORT, SPECIFIC IN HIS CALCULATIONS AND THEN HE LEFT. BECAUSE HE KNEW WHAT IT WAS
[02:29:25] GOING TO HAVE TO BE LIKE TO CALL THE FAMILIES OF THE PEOPLE THEY LOST.
[02:29:28] HOST: GOING BACK TO THE BATTLE
[02:29:31] OF BROOKLYN, WHAT BATTLES -- WHAT LESSONS DO YOU THINK
[02:29:35] PRESIDENTS HAVE LEARNED FROM THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN AND HOW WASHINGTON RESPONDED?
[02:29:38] GUEST: ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS
[02:29:41] IN GENERAL FOR LEADERSHIP IS A REALLY TERRIBLE DEFEAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THE END OF THE STORY.
[02:29:45] WE THINK OF WASHINGTON, WE DO TALK ABOUT THE MILITARY MISTAKES.
[02:29:49] BUT IT'S NOT USUALLY THE FIRST SENTENCE THAT COMES TO MIND.
[02:29:52] AND SO, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER MISTAKES DON'T HAVE TO BE THE END OF THE
[02:29:56] STORY. HOST: THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN HAS
[02:30:00] BEEN OVERSHADOWED BY OTHER POINTS OF THE REVOLUTION. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
[02:30:03] GUEST: AMERICANS DON'T ALWAYS
[02:30:06] LIKE TO REMEMBER OUR FAILURES AND THIS BATTLE WAS AN
[02:30:10] UNEQUIVOCAL FAILURE. IT'S HELPFUL NOT TO THINK ABOUT IT ALL THAT MUCH.
[02:30:13] ALSO, WE ENDED UP WINNING THE WAR.
[02:30:15] IF YOU WIN THE WAR, IT'S EASY SOMETIMES TO COVER OVER SOME OF THE DARKER MOMENTS.
[02:30:19] HOST: AND WHERE ARE THE OTHER
[02:30:22] MOMENTS FROM THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION THAT OUR COUNTRY NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT ISN'T ALWAYS AT THE FOREFRONT?
[02:30:26] GUEST: I THINK ONE OF THE
[02:30:30] IMPORTANT MOMENTS COMES BETWEEN THE VICTORY AT YORKTOWN AND THE
[02:30:33] ULTIMATE TREATY OF PARIS, WHICH WAS SIGNED ALMOST TWO YEARS LATER.
[02:30:36] THERE IS A HUGE CHUNK OF TIME THERE.
[02:30:39] WASHINGTON WAS POSITIONED IN NEWBURGH, NEW YORK WITH THE ARMY.
[02:30:43] HE HAD THIS BIG ARMY THAT HAD NOT BEEN PAID IN YEARS AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO.
[02:30:47] AND THAT IS A VERY DANGEROUS COMBINATION OF FACTORS.
[02:30:51] AND HE, AT SEVERAL MOMENTS, MOST
[02:30:54] NOTABLY BEING THE NEWBURGH CONSPIRACY, DIFFUSED A THREAT
[02:30:57] FOR A MILITARY COUP. THAT ENSURED THAT THE CHARACTER
[02:31:00] OF THE REPUBLIC, THE CIVILIAN
[02:31:03] CONTROL OF THE MILITARY SURVIVED AND COULD SURVIVE PAST THE REVOLUTION.
[02:31:06] HOST: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
[02:31:09] BATTLE OF BROOKLYN AND THE NATIONS TWO HUNDRED 50TH
[02:31:13] BIRTHDAY ANNIVERSARY. LINDSAY CHERVINSKY IS HERE WITH US. AND HER RECENT PIECE IN THE WALL
[02:31:17] STREET JOURNAL IS HOW GEORGE
[02:31:20] WASHINGTON'S DEFEAT LED TO AMERICA'S VICTORY.
[02:31:23] AFTER LOSING THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN, THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF
[02:31:26] CHANGED STRATEGY AND THE COURSE OF HISTORY. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU
[02:31:30] THIS MORNING AS PART OF OUR CONVERSATION. WE WILL GO TO SALLY SUE, WHO
[02:31:34] POSTED ON X, HOW CLOSE DID THE
[02:31:36] AMERICAN REVOLUTION COME TO
[02:31:40] ENDING AT THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN? THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION.
[02:31:42] GUEST: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND
[02:31:45] IT'S ONE OF THE MOMENTS WHERE
[02:31:46] FATE HAS A PART IN HOW HISTORY
[02:31:50] UNFOLDS. THERE WAS A TERRIBLE STORM.
[02:31:54] IT FORCED THE BRITISH SHIPS INTO HARBOR.
[02:31:57] THESE WOULD BE PATROL SHIPS THAT WERE KEEPING ON THE HARBOR.
[02:32:00] AFTER THAT STORM, THE -- THIS
[02:32:04] INSANE FONT CAME IN AND SETTLED OVER THE WATER.
[02:32:06] NEW YORK HARBOR IS NOT
[02:32:11] KNOWN FOR HAVING THAT TYPE OF WEATHER. IT WAS REALLY UNUSUAL. IT PROVIDED COVER FOR THE
[02:32:15] CONTINENTAL ARMY AND FOR WASHINGTON TO ESCAPE.
[02:32:19] HAD THAT NOT HAPPEN, I DON'T KNOW THAT ESCAPE WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE.
[02:32:22] THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF LUCK INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THIS.
[02:32:24] HOST: JOHNNY IN INDIANA, WELCOME.
[02:32:27] CALLER: HELLO. GOOD MORNING, GUYS.
[02:32:30] THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[02:32:32] I WOULD LIKE MISS CHERVINSKY TO
[02:32:35] COMMENT ON, I NOTE SHE SAID
[02:32:41] WASHINGTON DEVELOPED A SCHEME OF SURVIVING AND THEN RETREATING I
[02:32:44] THINK SHE SAID. BUT, IF SHE COULD COMMENT ON HOW
[02:32:48] THE SIZE OF THE TERRITORY, THE
[02:32:56] SIZE OF THE LANDMASS PLAYED INTO
[02:32:59] THE VICTORY OF THE AMERICAN
[02:33:02] REVOLUTION, I WOULD APPRECIATE HER COMMENTS ON THAT. HOST: THANK YOU, JOHNNY.
[02:33:05] GUEST: ABSOLUTELY.
[02:33:09] WASHINGTON ADOPTED A FABIAN STRATEGY AFTER THE ROMAN GENERAL.
[02:33:12] THIS DEPENDS ON IT BEING -- DEFENDING YOUR OWN TERRITORY.
[02:33:15] THE IDEA IS THAT IF LAND IS LARGE AND THERE IS SO MUCH
[02:33:19] SPACE, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR
[02:33:22] AN INVADING ARMY TO COME IN AND CONTROL THAT.
[02:33:25] WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN PLACES LIKE VIETNAM AND THE MIDDLE EAST.
[02:33:28] IT TAKES AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF TROOPS TO SUBDUE A MASSIVE TERRITORY.
[02:33:32] THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WITH THE AMERICAN COLONIES AT THE TIME.
[02:33:35] THIS WAS WHAT WASHINGTON UNDERSTOOD, THERE WAS ALWAYS
[02:33:38] SPACE FOR HIM TO ESCAPE TO. THERE WAS AN ESCAPE VALVE.
[02:33:42] AND SO, HE USED THIS STRATEGY IN
[02:33:45] ORDER TO PRIORITIZE SURVIVAL,
[02:33:47] RECOGNIZING THE BRITISH WERE NOT
[02:33:49] GOING TO HAVE THE TROOPS TO SUBDUE THE ENTIRE COLONIAL SPACE.
[02:33:52] HOST: HOW DID THAT PLAY OUT IN
[02:33:56] BATTLES THAT FOLLOWED THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN?
[02:33:57] GUEST: SOME OF THE OTHER DEFEATS
[02:34:01] THE AMERICANS SUFFERED WERE THE BATTLE AROUND PHILADELPHIA. AFTER THE VICTORY IN NEW YORK,
[02:34:04] THE BRITISH DECIDED THEY WOULD TRY TO FORCE CONGRESS OUT OF PHILADELPHIA.
[02:34:09] PHILADELPHIA WAS SORT OF SPIRITUALLY A VERY IMPORTANT
[02:34:12] CITY FOR THE AMERICAN COLONIES.
[02:34:14] SO, THEY SAILED DOWN AND MARCHED ON PHILADELPHIA.
[02:34:18] WASHINGTON DID PUT UP A DEFENSE. BUT, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT
[02:34:21] HALFHEARTED BECAUSE HE LEFT HIMSELF AN ESCAPE ROUTE,
[02:34:25] UNDERSTANDING THAT HE COULD GIVE UP PHILADELPHIA, CONGRESS COULD
[02:34:29] MOVE, IT WOULD BE FINE AND THEY WOULD SURVIVE ANOTHER DAY AND HE
[02:34:32] WOULD HAVE SPACE TO GO TO TRY AND REGROUP AND FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.
[02:34:35] HOST: YOU ARE WITH US WHEN WE
[02:34:38] MARKED THE 200 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF AMERICA, THE FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATIONS.
[02:34:42] WHAT DO YOU THINK OUR FOUNDERS WOULD SAY LOOKING AT AMERICA TODAY?
[02:34:46] AND THE FRONT PAGES OF OUR NEWSPAPER, SPECIFICALLY TODAY AS
[02:34:50] WE MARKED SIX MONTHS SINCE THE PRESIDENT STARTED THIS CONFLICT IN IRAN?
[02:34:53] GUEST: I THINK THERE WOULD BE THINGS THAT WOULD BE REALLY
[02:34:57] FAMILIAR TO THEM. THEY LIVED IN AN INTENSELY PARTISAN TIME.
[02:35:00] WHEN PEOPLE SAY THE FOUNDERS THOUGHT THAT, IT'S USUALLY A RED
[02:35:03] FLAG THAT WHATEVER ELSE IS
[02:35:09] COMING IS WRONG BECAUSE THE FOUNDERS DISAGREED ON
[02:35:13] EVERYTHING. TENSE PARTNERSHIP WOULD NOT FEEL THE UNFAMILIAR.
[02:35:15] ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THEY WOULD BE THRILLED THAT WE ARE
[02:35:18] STILL HERE BECAUSE THAT WAS VERY MUCH A QUESTION MARK.
[02:35:22] AND YET, THEY WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED THE THREE BRANCH
[02:35:25] SYSTEM THAT THEY SET UP SO CAREFULLY TO CHECK EACH OTHER IS REALLY NOT WORKING.
[02:35:30] CONGRESS IS NOT REALLY PRACTICING THE OVERSIGHT,
[02:35:32] INCLUDING OF THINGS LIKE WAR POWERS, THAT THE FOUNDERS ABSOLUTELY INTENDED FOR THEM TO DO.
[02:35:41] HOST: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE TAKE AWAY IS FOR FOLKS? WHY SHOULD THEY READ THIS?
[02:35:43] GUEST: I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM
[02:35:46] THAT PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE
[02:35:50] WASHINGTON, WHO HAS STATUES AND
[02:35:53] MONUMENTS, IF YOU CAN MAKE AN EXTRA ORDINARY MISTAKE AND GO ON
[02:35:56] TO DO GREAT THINGS, WE CAN TOO.
[02:35:57] HOST: LINDSAY CHERVINSKY IS THE
[02:36:01] EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT GEORGE WASHINGTON'S PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY IN MOUNT VERNON AND THE
[02:36:05] AUTHOR OF THE BOOK "MAKING THE
[02:36:10] PRESIDENCY: JOHN ADAMS AND THE
[02:36:13] PRECEDENTS THAT FORGED THE REPUBLIC."
[02:36:17] LINDSAY CHERVINSKY, AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE THE HISTORY LESSON.
[02:36:21] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GUEST: IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE. HOST: WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A
[02:36:25] BREAK. WHEN WE COME BACK, WE ARE GOING TO TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE
[02:36:29] U.S. ECONOMY. START PILING IN NOW. WE WANT TO KNOW THE STATUS OF IT
[02:36:32] AS WE LEAD UP TO THE TOP OF THE
[02:36:35] HOUR, WHEN ALL EYES ARE ON KEVIN WARSH, THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR
[02:36:38] AND WHAT HE SAYS IN HIS FIRST
[02:36:39] KEYNOTE ADDRESS AT THE ECONOMIC
[02:36:45] SYMPOSIUM IN JACKSON HOLE. WE WILL BE BACK. STAY WITH US.
[02:36:50] >> AMERICAN HISTORY TV,
[02:36:55] SATURDAYS ON C-SPAN TWO, EXPLORING THE PEOPLE AND EVENTS THAT TELL THE AMERICAN STORY.
[02:36:59] AT 1:30 P.M. EASTERN, WE WILL TAKE YOU ON A TOUR OF THE IOWA
[02:37:02] STATE FAIR FOR A LOOK AT THE ANNUAL CELEBRATION'S FAMOUS
[02:37:06] LANDMARKS, STORIES FROM THE FAIR'S PAST AND AN UP CLOSE
[02:37:09] ENCOUNTER WITH THE ICONIC BUTTER COW.
[02:37:12] LATER, THE HISTORICAL TOUR OF THE MARINE BARRACKS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., HOME OF THE
[02:37:15] PRESIDENT'S OWN U.S. MARINE BAND.
[02:37:19] YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE BANDS DRUM MAJOR AND SEE THE CONCERT
[02:37:23] OF THE MARINE CORPS AT 5:00 P.M. EASTERN.
[02:37:26] AT 7:30 P.M. EASTERN, AS PART OF
[02:37:29] OUR SERIES ON PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP, JOURNALISTS AND HISTORIANS REFLECT ON THE
[02:37:32] LEGACIES OF PRESIDENT WARREN
[02:37:36] HARDING, FIRST LADY FLORENCE HARDING, PRESIDENT WOODROW
[02:37:38] WILSON AND FIRST LADY EDITH WILSON.
[02:37:41] EXPLORING THE AMERICAN STORY,
[02:37:43] WATCH AMERICAN HISTORY TV, SATURDAYS ON C-SPAN TWO.
[02:37:47] OR, WATCH ONLINE ANY TIME AT C-SPAN.ORG/HISTORY.
[02:37:53] TODAY ON C-SPAN'S CEASE-FIRE, A BIPARTISAN DISCUSSION ON THE STATE OF POLITICS TODAY.
[02:37:57] THE FUTURE OF BOTH PARTIES AND
[02:38:00] THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS, FEATURING FORMER NEW HAMPSHIRE REPUBLICAN
[02:38:03] GOVERNOR CHRIS SUNUNU AND FORMER NEW YORK DEMOCRAT -- NORTH
[02:38:07] DAKOTA DEMOCRATIC
[02:38:11] SENATOR, HEIDI HEITKAMP. HOSTED BY DASHA BURNS.
[02:38:13] WATCH C-SPAN CEASE-FIRE, TODAY
[02:38:16] AT 7:00 P.M. AND 10:00 P.M. EASTERN AND PACIFIC, ONLY ON C-SPAN.
[02:38:20] >> WASHINGTON JOURNAL CONTINUES.
[02:38:23] HOST: YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE U.S.
[02:38:26] ECONOMY AS WE GET TO THE TOP OF
[02:38:27] THE HOUR HERE ON THE WASHINGTON JOURNAL.
[02:38:31] WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE
[02:38:33] FOR YOU AND YOUR POCKETBOOK IN AMERICA TODAY.
[02:38:38] THAT, AS WE AWAIT A SPEECH BY KEVIN WARSH, WHO IS THE FEDERAL
[02:38:42] RESERVE CHAIR KEYNOTE ADDRESS,
[02:38:46] HIS FIRST AT THE JACKSON HOLE ECONOMIC POLICY SYMPOSIUM.
[02:38:49] WE ARE GOING TO HAVE LIVE COVERAGE OF THAT AT 10:00 A.M.
[02:38:53] EASTERN TIME, ON C-SPAN. C-SPAN NOW, OUR FREE VIDEO
[02:38:56] MOBILE APP AND ONLINE AT C-SPAN.ORG.
[02:39:00] THE HEADLINE THIS MORNING FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, AS WALL
[02:39:04] STREET KEEPS A CLOSE EYE ON WHAT KEVIN WARSH HAS TO SAY.
[02:39:08] THE STOCK MARKET TODAY, STOCKS
[02:39:11] WAVER AS INVESTORS AWAIT WASH'S SPEECH.
[02:39:14] IF YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN, DIAL IN
[02:39:15] AT (202) 748-8000 --(202)
[02:39:19] 748-8001.
[02:39:21] DEMOCRATS AT (202) 748-8000.
[02:39:24] AN INDEPENDENTS AT (202)
[02:39:27] 748-8002. WE WILL TAKE YOUR TEXT MESSAGES,
[02:39:32] NAME, CITY AND STATE, AT (202) 748-8003.
[02:39:36] WHAT'S YOUR OUTLOOK ON THE U.S. ECONOMY?
[02:39:37] THIS WEEK ON CEASE-FIRE, WE ARE
[02:39:40] TALKING ABOUT ALL THINGS ECONOMY
[02:39:44] AS WELL AS THE IRAN WAR AND POLITICS.
[02:39:47] TONIGHT'S EDITION OF CEASE-FIRE,
[02:39:50] REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AARON MCGUIRE AND DEMOCRATIC
[02:39:53] STRATEGIST KURT BY DELLA DISCUSS
[02:39:56] THE PRESIDENT'S TRADE WAR WITH CANADA.
[02:39:58] HOST: WHO IS THE HEADLINE --
[02:40:03] HERE IS THE HEADLINE, CANADA HAS
[02:40:06] ONE IMPORTANT EDGE IN THE NORTH AMERICAN TRADE WAR. IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW LONG CANADIAN
[02:40:10] GOVERNMENT CAN SUPPORT SMALL AND MEDIUM-SIZED BUSINESSES IN A PROLONGED TARIFFED TIT FOR TAT.
[02:40:15] CANADIANS ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THOSE IMPACTS IN ORDER TO STAND
[02:40:18] UP TO THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE IN THE
[02:40:22] UNITED STATES. WHERE EVEN MANY IN THE
[02:40:24] PRESIDENT'S OWN PARTY OPPOSED
[02:40:28] TRUMP'S TRADE AGENDA, PARTICULARLY HIS TARIFFS ON CANADA.
[02:40:30] >> I WILL SAY THIS. GOOD FOR THE CANADIAN PEOPLE.
[02:40:34] I'M GLAD YOU DECIDED TO STAND TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING BIG.
[02:40:37] I WILL ALSO SAY TO THE CANADIAN PEOPLE, IT'S EASY TO SAY THAT
[02:40:41] UNTIL YOU'RE LIVING THE REPERCUSSIONS AND THE GOVERNMENT
[02:40:43] THEMSELVES ARE SAYING THEY CAN'T CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN LONG-TERM
[02:40:47] SMALLER AND MEDIUM-SIZED BUSINESSES. IT SOUNDS GOOD ON THE FRONT END.
[02:40:50] THE REALITY IS THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE DECIMATED IN THIS FIGHT.
[02:40:53] FOR THEM TO SAY THAT, AND THE UNITED STATES, WE HAVE BEEN
[02:40:56] LIVING THROUGH THIS FOR A WHILE.
[02:40:59] SOME REPUBLICANS VERY STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT ON TARIFFS BUT DONALD TRUMP IS
[02:41:03] TRIED AND TRUE. THE MAN HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT TARIFFS AS A MEANS FOR
[02:41:07] NEGOTIATION AND A MEANS FOR TRADE SINCE THE 1980'S.
[02:41:10] THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE FOR ANYBODY. I KNOW REPUBLICANS HAVE DISAGREEMENTS WITH IT.
[02:41:15] BUT THE CANADIANS CAN SOUND ALL
[02:41:18] --, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ECONOMIC POWER OR GEOPOLITICAL POWER OR
[02:41:22] STRENGTH TO SEE THIS OUT FOR THE NEXT 2.5 YEARS.
[02:41:25] >> IS GOING TO BACKFIRE ON THE
[02:41:28] REPUBLICAN PARTY. THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO CAME TO
[02:41:32] OFFICE PROMISING PROSPERITY WE
[02:41:36] HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
[02:41:37] HE PROMISED -- AND WE ARE NOT
[02:41:42] GETTING ANY OF THOSE RETURNS. HE CAN GO OUT THERE AND SAY WE
[02:41:46] ARE NEGOTIATING TO DO THIS, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THINGS GREAT AND BETTER.
[02:41:49] BUT NOBODY HAS SEEN THE TANGIBLE PROGRESS IN THEIR POCKETBOOK SO
[02:41:53] HE HAS NO CREDIBILITY HERE AT HOME. IF ANYTHING, THAT HURTS
[02:41:57] REPUBLICAN CHANCES TO HOLD ONTO POWER. WE TALK ABOUT THE LONG-TERM
[02:42:00] ABILITY OF THE PRESIDENT TO BE IMPACTFUL AND MAKE THESE DEALS.
[02:42:04] IF HE LOSES CONGRESS, HE'S EVEN WEAKER. HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT?
[02:42:07] HOST: TUNE IN FOR OUR
[02:42:12] CONVERSATION TONIGHT AT 7:00 P.M. AND 10:00 P.M. EASTERN TIME.
[02:42:15] YOUR VIEW ON THE U.S. ECONOMY AS
[02:42:18] WE AWAIT FED CHAIR KEVIN WARSH'S
[02:42:23] REMARKS AT THE ECONOMIC
[02:42:25] SYMPOSIUM IN JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING.
[02:42:28] CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[02:42:32] I'M HERE IN KANSAS AND I'M 66
[02:42:36] YEARS OLD. I GET $2900 IN SOCIAL SECURITY AND RETIREMENT.
[02:42:40] BY THE TIME I HAVE EVERYTHING PAID, I HAVE $600 FOR THE LAST
[02:42:44] WEEK OF THE MONTH TO GET FOOD AND GAS.
[02:42:48] AND THEN ON THE -- WHEN I HAVE
[02:42:55] TO PAY FOR MY INSURANCE, MY SUBLIMINAL, THAT'S $500 FOR A THREE-MONTH PERIOD OF TIME.
[02:43:00] WHEN THAT COMES DUE, THAT'S AN
[02:43:04] EVEN HARDER TIME FOR ME.
[02:43:10] ALL THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT MAD. I'M NOT MAD AT MY COUNTRY OR MY GOVERNMENT.
[02:43:14] IT'S JUST HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S HOW YOU STRUGGLE ALONG
[02:43:17] WITH $600 A MONTH IF YOU ARE IN THE MIDWEST.
[02:43:19] HOST: BARBER IN GEORGIA, DEMOCRATIC CALLER.
[02:43:23] WHAT'S THE ECONOMY LIKE FOR YOU?
[02:43:24] CALLER: OH, IT'S TERRIBLE.
[02:43:28] I LIVE ON A FIXED INCOME TOO. BUT I DON'T GET NO $2000.
[02:43:32] I LIVE IN GEORGIA. THINGS ARE HIGH HERE TOO.
[02:43:36] GAS, FOOD.
[02:43:40] I THINK IT WAS BETTER WHEN BIDEN WAS IN THERE THAN IT WAS WHEN TRUMP'S IN THERE.
[02:43:46] THE TARIFFS HAVE KILLED PEOPLE
[02:43:51] IF YOU LIVE ON A FIXED INCOME.
[02:43:54] I HAD TO TAKE MY CAR IN AND GET IT FIXED AND IT WAS $2000.
[02:43:58] IMAGINE PAYING THAT.
[02:44:07] I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. HOST: RICK IN MISSOURI,
[02:44:11] INDEPENDENT. RICK, HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE ECONOMY? CALLER: POUR.
[02:44:15] AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY FROM THE
[02:44:17] GOVERNMENT TRYING TO HELP.
[02:44:23] I'M 78.
[02:44:23] AND HAVING SOCIAL SECURITY AS MY
[02:44:29] MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME, WITHOUT
[02:44:34] THAT, I WOULD BE IN THE POORHOUSE LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS.
[02:44:37] THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME THAT I
[02:44:41] SEE IS TRANSLATION.
[02:44:47] WHERE PRODUCTS ARE THE SAME
[02:44:49] PRICE BUT THEY ARE SHRINKING THE
[02:44:54] QUANTITY OF THE PRODUCT.
[02:44:57] THANK YOU FOR YOUR LISTENING TO ME.
[02:44:59] HOST: BEFORE YOU GO, YOU SAID
[02:45:01] YOU DON'T SEE ANYBODY IN THE GOVERNMENT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
[02:45:04] DO YOU THINK THERE IS A ROLE
[02:45:06] HERE FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR, KEVIN WARSH?
[02:45:10] SHOULD HE INDICATE TODAY IN JACKSON HOLE WHICH DIRECTION HE WANTS TO TAKE THIS ECONOMY?
[02:45:13] CALLER: I WISH HE WOULD.
[02:45:17] BUT THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IN
[02:45:18] THIS PRESIDENT AND
[02:45:21] ADMINISTRATION IS IF HE COMES
[02:45:24] OUT AND GIVES US A PLAN,
[02:45:31] PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL STOP ALL OVER IT LIKE HE DID THE LAST GUY.
[02:45:34] AND THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT IS HIS
[02:45:38] MANAGEMENT STYLE IS TO PUT ONE
[02:45:43] SECRETARY AGAINST THE OTHER.
[02:45:44] HOST: RICK, I WANT TO PICK UP ON
[02:45:48] THAT POINT. THAT WAS A GREAT SEGUE TO THIS PIECE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
[02:45:52] SCOTT BESSENT, THE TREASURY SECRETARY, TESTS BOUNDARIES WITH
[02:45:56] THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR.
[02:46:01] FROM THEIR REPORTING, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR KEVIN WARSH TAKES THE STAGE FRIDAY WITH AN UNUSUAL
[02:46:05] PRESENCE LOOMING OVER HIM. A TREASURY SECRETARY STEPPING
[02:46:08] CLOSE TO TERRAIN LONG TREATED AS
[02:46:12] THE FEDS. THE OVERLAP FIGURES AMONG THE
[02:46:17] MOST -- SUBJECTS CENTRAL BANKERS
[02:46:22] DISCUSSED. IT RISKS BLURRING THE LINE BETWEEN CENTRAL BANK AND THE ADMINISTRATION.
[02:46:26] THE FED SETS POLICY TO MANAGE
[02:46:29] INFLATION AND EMPLOYMENT, NOT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO FUND ITSELF.
[02:46:33] THE TREASURY SECRETARY, SCOTT BESSENT, SURPRISED MARKETS LAST
[02:46:36] WEEK BY ANNOUNCING THE TREASURY
[02:46:40] WOULD DOUBLE THE GOVERNMENT'S BUYBACKS OF LONG-TERM DEBT.
[02:46:43] HIS GOAL WAS TO PUSH DOWN YIELDS
[02:46:45] THAT HAVE HIT 19 YEAR HIGHS.
[02:46:47] THAT PROCESS COULD LOOSEN FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AT THE VERY MOMENT.
[02:46:51] THE FED MAY WANT TO TIGHTEN THEM.
[02:46:54] THIS COMES AS THE CENTRAL BANK IS WEIGHING A GREAT DEAL.
[02:46:57] IT'S DEBATING WHETHER INTEREST RATES ARE TOO LOW WITH INFLATION
[02:47:01] ABOVE TARGET AND WASH IS REMAKING HOW IT COMMUNICATES WITH MARKETS.
[02:47:06] REPORTING FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL THIS MORNING.
[02:47:10] AND IN -- ANNE IN YORK,
[02:47:17] PENNSYLVANIA, DEMOCRATIC CALLER. CALLER: I'M PESSIMISTIC ABOUT
[02:47:21] THE FUTURE OF THE U.S. ECONOMY.
[02:47:24] IRAN CONTROLS THE OIL PRICES READ EVERYTHING FLOWS FROM THAT.
[02:47:27] EVERY TIME I GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, AN ITEM THAT MAY HAVE
[02:47:33] BEEN $599 IS $699.
[02:47:35] WHEN IS IT ALL GOING TO END?
[02:47:38] I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS TOTALLY MISMANAGED THIS ECONOMY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO
[02:47:42] EXPRESS MY VIEW. HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[02:47:46] DONALD IN ALABAMA, REPUBLICAN. GO AHEAD.
[02:47:48] CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[02:47:52] THIS IS MY FIRST TIME EVER CALLING. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE ECONOMY AT ALL.
[02:47:57] I WILL BE 68 YEARS OLD NEXT MONTH.
[02:48:00] I STARTED WORKING FOR ABOUT A DOLLAR AND A QUARTER AN HOUR AND
[02:48:03] GAS WAS $.32 A GALLON.
[02:48:08] I'M DOING GREAT. I HAVE MANAGED MY MONEY.
[02:48:12] I HAVE INVESTED, I HAVE WORKED. THE BEST ADVICE I CAN GIVE YOUNG
[02:48:17] PEOPLE AROUND ME IS GET UP AND GO TO WORK. GET OUT THERE AND GET ACTIVE.
[02:48:20] FIND A WAY TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
[02:48:24] AMERICA'S NEVER SAT BACK AND WHINED ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS.
[02:48:27] I THINK OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IS
[02:48:31] THE COMMUNIST DEMOCRATS. BUT, AS FAR AS THE ECONOMY, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS.
[02:48:36] THINGS HAVE ALWAYS GONE UP.
[02:48:39] I LIVE OUTSIDE OF A ROCKET CENTER IN ALABAMA.
[02:48:42] THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU MAKE THE MOST MONEY.
[02:48:46] I WOULD ADVISE ANYBODY YELLING
[02:48:47] TO QUIT WHINING AROUND LIKE SOME
[02:48:51] COMMUNIST AND GET UP AND GET AFTER IT.
[02:48:52] HOST: ALL RIGHT, JOHN.
[02:48:57] THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING AND THOSE KIND WORDS.
[02:49:00] WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE ARE A LITTLE OVER 10 MINUTES
[02:49:03] AWAY FROM HEARING FROM KEVIN WARSH, THE NEWLY APPOINTED
[02:49:07] FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR. AND EXPECTATIONS ARE HIGH FOR
[02:49:11] HIS SPEECH TODAY.
[02:49:13] CRITICS SAY HE HAS NOT DONE
[02:49:16] ENOUGH ON SHEDDING LIGHT ON WHERE HE STANDS ON THE ECONOMY.
[02:49:20] WILL HE DO THAT TODAY?
[02:49:23] AND MARKETS ARE ALREADY RESPONDING THIS MORNING.
[02:49:27] SCOTT IN KANSAS, DEMOCRATIC CALLER. HI, SCOTT.
[02:49:30] HOST: GOOD MORNING, GRETA. --
[02:49:33] CALLER: GOOD MORNING, GRETA. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[02:49:41] I HAVE SAVED MONEY AND WORK.
[02:49:43] BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED FOR MY CHILDREN. KANSAS CITY IS DUE TO BE HIT
[02:49:48] WITH $4 BILLION OUT OF THE METRO
[02:49:52] AREA. 37% OF THEIR BUSINESS GOES TO CANADA.
[02:49:56] AND I REALLY DO THINK THE DEBT IS CRAZY.
[02:50:02] THE WAY WE TAX, THERE'S NOT
[02:50:06] ENOUGH REVENUE COMING IN.
[02:50:08] AND MONEY MAKES MONEY. AND THAT'S NOT LABOR.
[02:50:12] I WORK LABOR, THAT MEANS WHAT I DID WITH MY BODY EARNED MY MONEY.
[02:50:16] BUT NOW THAT I AM RETIRED AND HAVE SAVINGS, MY MONEY IS MAKING
[02:50:20] MONEY. THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS LABOR.
[02:50:24] IT'S THE FRUITS OF LABOR BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME.
[02:50:28] AND WE ARE $4 TRILLION IN DEBT.
[02:50:33] AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF OUR BUDGET EVERY YEAR.
[02:50:38] IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THE PENTAGON CHARGES. PEOPLE LIKE ME ON SOCIAL
[02:50:43] SECURITY, IT IS A CONCERN.
[02:50:46] AND I DON'T SEE ANY GOOD ACTION
[02:50:50] COMING FROM THIS LEGISLATIVE CONGRESS. THEY ARE JUST RUBBERSTAMPING BAD
[02:50:55] DECISIONS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[02:50:57] HOST: SCOTT IS A DEMOCRAT IN KANSAS.
[02:51:01] THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE WILL TAKE MORE AS WE APPROACH
[02:51:04] THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
[02:51:08] CNBC, FED CHAIR KEVIN WARSH DELIVERS HIS KEY JACKSON HOLE SPEECH TODAY. HERE'S WHAT TO EXPECT.
[02:51:13] THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR
[02:51:15] DELIVERS THE KEYNOTE SPEECH AT THE JACKSON HOLE WYOMING
[02:51:19] SYMPOSIUM. PRIOR LEADERS HAVE USED THE EVENT TO DISCUSS BROAD POLICY
[02:51:23] INITIATIVES BUT THERE IS CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY OVER HOW AMBITIOUS WASH WILL BE IN
[02:51:27] HIS REMARKS.
[02:51:30] MARKETS WILL BE LOOKING FOR WARS TO LAY OUT CONDITIONS UNDER
[02:51:33] WHICH THE FED WOULD ADJUST INTEREST RATES.
[02:51:37] A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR NOT
[02:51:39] RAISING INTEREST RATES BACK IN JULY.
[02:51:42] CNBC GOES ON TO REPORT IN THEIR
[02:51:43] PIECE TODAY THAT AMONG THEIR
[02:51:48] TASKS ARE AN ASSESSMENT OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD.
[02:51:51] AN ASSESSMENT OF HOW POLICYMAKERS VIEW INFLATION, THE
[02:51:55] BALANCE SHEET, DATA POINTS THAT INFLUENCE DECISIONS AND
[02:51:58] TECHNOLOGY RELATED ISSUES AND COMMUNICATIONS.
[02:52:01] WASH HAS TAKEN A UNIQUE APPROACH COMPARED TO HIS RECENT PREDECESSORS.
[02:52:05] RATHER THAN SEEKING TO STEER REACTION THROUGH CAREFULLY
[02:52:08] PLACED SIGNALS, HE HAS PREFERRED A MORE HANDS-OFF APPROACH THAT
[02:52:12] LETS MARKETS INTERPRET DATA AND SEND SIGNALS TO THE FED.
[02:52:14] IT IS A STRATEGY THAT HAS BEEN MET WITH MIXED REVIEWS SO FAR
[02:52:18] AND COULD GENERATE ADVERSE REACTION.
[02:52:21] LOOKING FOR MORE REACTION, HERE IS A QUOTE. I WOULD APPRECIATE SOME MORE
[02:52:25] DETAIL ON HOW HE PERSONALLY THINKS INFLATION HAPPENS OR HOW
[02:52:29] HE PERSONALLY THINKS MONETARY POLICY AFFECTS INFLATION.
[02:52:32] EITHER IN TIMING OR THROUGH WHICH CHANNELS. WILL HE SAY THAT TODAY?
[02:52:38] KEEP YOUR CHANNEL RIGHT HERE ON C-SPAN AS WE WILL TAKE LIVE THE
[02:52:43] FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR, KEVIN
[02:52:45] WARSH, AND HIS FIRST KEYNOTE ADDRESS AT THIS ECONOMIC
[02:52:49] SYMPOSIUM IN JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING, COMING UP AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
[02:52:54] JANET, WHAT'S THE ECONOMY LIKE FOR YOU? CALLER: HI, GOOD MORNING.
[02:52:57] HOST: GOOD MORNING.
[02:52:59] CALLER: I'M A FIRST-TIME CALLER
[02:53:02] AND I'M 90 YEARS OLD. I HAVE BEEN RETIRED FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
[02:53:09] I STILL VOLUNTEER. I WAS A WIDOW. I RAISED FIVE KIDS. I HAVE SAVINGS.
[02:53:19] I AM DOING JUST FINE.
[02:53:25] I AM ABLE TO SAVE MONEY EVERY MONTH.
[02:53:30] HOST: SO JANET, THE ECONOMY IS OK FOR YOU?
[02:53:34] CALLER: YEAH, WELL, MY KIDS ARE
[02:53:39] PAYING REALLY LOW INTEREST RATES. I PAID 8.5% WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE.
[02:53:44] HOST: I WILL LEAVE IT THERE, JANET.
[02:53:49] STEVE IN PENNSYLVANIA, INDEPENDENT. CALLER: HI.
[02:53:58] I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE NATIONAL DEBT. THAT IS $40 TRILLION RIGHT NOW.
[02:54:01] IN THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS, IT'S GOING TO GO TO OVER 50 BECAUSE
[02:54:04] OF THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL.
[02:54:07] AND ALSO, I SAW ON THE NEWS THAT
[02:54:09] THE INTEREST RATES ON THAT $40
[02:54:13] BILLION, $1.2 TRILLION, IT'S OUTLANDISH.
[02:54:19] BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES WANT TO KICK THE THING DOWN THE CAN.
[02:54:23] THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE
[02:54:29] THE PROBLEM. YOU DO NOT SPEND MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE.
[02:54:32] I KNOW MY WIFE AND I ARE ROUGHLY 80 YEARS OF AGE.
[02:54:36] RIGHT NOW, WE ARE FINE. WE ARE OK.
[02:54:40] I BALANCE OUR CHECK BOOKS AND STUFF EVERY WEEK AND CHECK EVERYTHING OUT.
[02:54:43] IT'S NOT HOW MUCH YOU MAKE. YOU HAVE TO CONTROL THE MONEY.
[02:54:47] THE MONEY CAN'T CONTROL YOU. IF YOU DO THAT, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE.
[02:54:53] I THINK IN THE NEXT SEVEN OR SO YEARS, THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO
[02:54:56] CRASH BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT TO CONTROL THE MONEY.
[02:54:59] THEY KEEP TAXING THE PEOPLE.
[02:55:03] IT'S ALL THE POLITICIANS FAULT.
[02:55:04] HOST: STEVE, ARE YOU GOING TO BE
[02:55:08] LISTENING TO SEE WHAT KEVIN WARSH SAYS ABOUT OUR NATION'S DEBT TODAY?
[02:55:11] SHOULD HE ADDRESS IT? CALLER: PARTS OF IT.
[02:55:15] BUT THE NATIONAL DEBT, IF THEY DON'T CONTROL IT NOW, WITHIN SIX
[02:55:19] YEARS, THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO CRASH.
[02:55:20] HOST: STAY TUNED, STEVE.
[02:55:23] WE ARE MOMENTS AWAY FROM KEVIN
[02:55:25] WARSH IN JACKSON HOLE,
[02:55:29] WYOMING, AT A KEY ECONOMIC SYMPOSIUM THAT IS HELD EVERY YEAR.
[02:55:32] WE HEARD FROM CENTRAL BANKERS THERE AND THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE ECONOMY.
[02:55:36] WE WILL BRING YOU LIVE COVERAGE HERE ON C-SPAN OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR.
[02:55:41] RICHARD IN VERONA, MISSOURI, DEMOCRATIC CALLER.
[02:55:43] CALLER: YEAH. I AM 88 YEARS OLD.
[02:55:50] I'VE BEEN SAVING MY MONEY AND PUTTING IT IN THE BANK.
[02:55:53] THE BANKS, THEY DON'T PAY ANY INTEREST AT ALL.
[02:55:56] YOU GAMBLE IN THE STOCK MARKET. THAT'S FINE IF YOU HAVE MONEY
[02:56:00] YOU WANT TO THROW AWAY.
[02:56:04] BUT THE NATIONAL DEBT, WE WORRY
[02:56:07] ABOUT IT.
[02:56:10] A GOOD BUSINESSMAN, HE GOES BANKRUPT.
[02:56:13] THAT'S WHAT OUR PRESIDENT DID WHEN WE GOT THAT FAR IN DEBT.
[02:56:22] THE FDIC, AS LONG AS THEY TAKE
[02:56:25] CARE OF THE BANKS, I THINK WE WILL PROBABLY BE ALL RIGHT.
[02:56:28] ONE OF THE THING RIGHT -- ONE
[02:56:31] OTHER THING RIGHT QUICK, AFTER THIS ELECTION, YOU WILL SEE
[02:56:35] GROUND TROOPS GO INTO IRAN.
[02:56:36] THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT BEFORE
[02:56:40] THE ELECTION BUT AFTER THAT, THEY MIGHT USE THEM. HOST: ALL RIGHT, RICHARD.
[02:56:45] WE WILL GO TO PAUL IN LOUISIANA,
[02:56:50] REPUBLICAN NECK STREET HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE ECONOMY? CALLER: FOUR.
[02:56:55] HOST: WHY?
[02:56:58] CALLER: THE COST OF FOOD AND
[02:57:01] ENERGY HAS GONE UP TREMENDOUSLY.
[02:57:05] PEOPLE -- IT PREVENTS PEOPLE
[02:57:10] FROM TRYING TO DEVELOP SAVINGS, TRYING TO GET AHEAD IN LIFE.
[02:57:16] AND MR. TRUMP FROM DAY ONE SAID
[02:57:20] HE WAS GOING TO WORK ON TRYING
[02:57:23] TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS
[02:57:27] FOR FOOD AND ENERGY. AND HE HAS NOT DONE THAT AT ALL.
[02:57:30] I AM A REPUBLICAN FOR 59 YEARS.
[02:57:36] AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO SEE
[02:57:39] THIS MAN DISMANTLE OUR
[02:57:45] GOVERNMENT, OUR COUNTRY FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL GOALS.
[02:57:50] AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO SEE
[02:57:54] HOW HE IS TEASING THINGS LIKE
[02:57:57] INSTEAD OF LAKE ONTARIO, HE WANTS TO NAME IT LAKE AMERICA
[02:58:01] AND THE GULF OF AMERICA, INSTEAD OF THE GULF OF MEXICO.
[02:58:05] INSTEAD OF DOING THESE THINGS, HE SHOULD BE MAKING AN EFFORT TO
[02:58:08] TRY TO STOP OR THROW DOWN THIS
[02:58:13] ECONOMY THAT IS SUFFERING.
[02:58:15] HOST: ALL RIGHT, PAUL.
[02:58:19] THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE, SIGNING A DIRECTIVE THAT
[02:58:22] WOULD CHANGE THE NAME FROM LAKE ONTARIO TO LAKE AMERICA.
[02:58:25] IF YOU MISSED IT, GO TO OUR WEBSITE, C-SPAN.ORG.
[02:58:29] YOU CAN HEAR THE PRESIDENT THERE . AND THE TIT FOR TAT CONTINUED.
[02:58:34] IT'S BEEN HAPPENING ALL WEEK
[02:58:36] BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND CANADA
[02:58:41] WITH RETALIATORY TARIFFS SET BY CANADIANS IN RESPONSE TO THE
[02:58:43] TARIFFS PUT IN PLACE BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.
[02:58:45] ALL OF THAT WILL HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER. AND LATER IN THE YEAR.
[02:58:49] TENSIONS ESCALATED.
[02:58:52] GO TO C-SPAN.ORG TO SEE OUR COVERAGE FROM CANADA AND
[02:58:57] WASHINGTON ON THIS U.S.-CANADA TRADE WAR.
[02:59:01] DAVID, INDEPENDENT, WHAT'S THE ECONOMY LIKE FOR YOU?
[02:59:04] CALLER: I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S
[02:59:08] TERRIBLE BUT I AM BEGINNING TO FEEL IT. THE PRICE OF DIESEL HAS GONE UP
[02:59:12] INCREDIBLY. GASOLINE ALSO, GROCERIES.
[02:59:15] I AM FORTUNATE IN THE SENSE THAT I CAN STILL SHOP AT THE
[02:59:21] COMMISSARY AND I DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON MY GROCERIES THERE.
[02:59:24] BUT I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS BOTH PARTIES.
[02:59:28] I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE DISASSEMBLING OUR GOVERNMENT.
[02:59:37] IT NO LONGER WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE, IT WORKS FOR THE WEALTHY.
[02:59:40] I SAW THAT HAKEEM JEFFRIES WAS
[02:59:44] MEETING WITH DONALD TRUMP'S SON-IN-LAW AND I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THEY KIND OF
[02:59:48] SCHEME TO MAKE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
[02:59:51] HOST: HAKEEM JEFFRIES, THE
[02:59:54] DEMOCRATIC LEADER IN THE HOUSE FROM NEW YORK. PAUL IN BOSTON, INDEPENDENT.
[02:59:58] PAUL, HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE ECONOMY?
[03:00:01] CALLER: I WOULD SAY THE ECONOMY
[03:00:05] FOR A THEY'RE DISASSEMBLING OUR
[03:00:12] GOVERNMENT AND IT'S NOT GUILTY
[03:00:14] WORKING POUR THE PEOPLE IWORKS
[03:00:18] FOR THE WEALTHY.
[03:00:22] AND I SAW RECENTLY JOAQUIN JEFFERSON WAS MEETING WITH
[03:00:26] DONALD TRUMP'S SON IN HE WAS AND I THINK IT'S AN EXAMPLE HOW THEY
[03:00:29] KIND OF SCHEME TO MAKE MONEY FOR
[03:00:33] THEMSELVES AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE. >> HAKEEM JEFFERSON THE
[03:00:36] DEMOCRATIC LEADER IN THE HOUSE FROM NEW YORK.
[03:00:38] PAUL IN BOSTON AN INDEPENDENT. PAUL.
[03:00:41] HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE
[03:00:46] CHEMISTRY? >> I WOULD SAY THE CAMPI FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY IS A 7.
[03:00:48] THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE
[03:00:54] EXPENSIVE BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE PRIME MINISTER OF
[03:00:57] CANADA BEING A NATIONAL BANKER