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[00:00:54] HOST: WELCO BACK THISHI BY
[00:00:58] SATUAY MORNG. WE A GOINGOA A BIT RTHERNTO THU.S. AND
[00:01:02] NANADA'TRADE R. ARE JNED BY F GUE
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[00:01:49] OBOBVIOUSL WHAT RKEDNHE
[00:01:51] IOFOF
[00:01:55] NOT JUST ON THE RIGHT OF THE
[00:01:59] U.S., BUT POTENTIALLY ALSO ON THE LEFT, THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT.
[00:02:04] WE ARE STEPPING BACK AND LOOK AND LOOKING BEYOND THE TRADE
[00:02:07] RELATIONSHIP FOR THE THINGS THAT BUILD TIES BETWEEN US AND ALLOW
[00:02:10] US TO PROSPER TOGETHER ON THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT.
[00:02:13] HOST: WE'VE HAD A GOOD AMOUNT OF
[00:02:16] CALLERS OFFERING THEIR TAKES AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS TRADE DISPUTE MAKE SENSE FROM THE
[00:02:20] AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE. ON THE CANADIAN SIDE OF THINGS
[00:02:23] ARE YOU SURPRISED IT HAS GOTTEN TO THIS POINT?
[00:02:26] GUEST: THE CANADIAN PERSPECTIVE,
[00:02:30] YES. STEPPING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE, WHICH
[00:02:34] IS WHY WE HAVE DONE AT THE INITIATIVE, NOT AT ALL.
[00:02:37] THE U.S. HAS DONE WITH 21, 22
[00:02:40] OTHER COUNTRIES BEFORE US, RANGING FROM ARGENTINA ALL THE
[00:02:44] WAY DOWN TO THE U.K., JAPAN,
[00:02:48] KOREA WHICH HAD A FEW TRADE AGREEMENTS WITH CANADA HAS GONE
[00:02:51] THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS AS THE
[00:02:54] U.S. REWRITES GLOBAL TRADE RULES. IN ONE SENSE LOOKING AT THE
[00:02:58] EVIDENCE WE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SURPRISED. GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE
[00:03:02] RELATIONSHIP, THE CLOSENESS, HOW DEEPLY INTERTWINED WE ARE, THERE
[00:03:05] IS SOME SURPRISE THIS WOULD HAPPEN TO A COUNTRY SO CLOSE TO
[00:03:09] THE U.S. AND SUCH AN IMPORTANT
[00:03:13] TRADE PARTNER FOR SO MANY STATES. HOST: YOU WROTE A PIECE IN THE
[00:03:16] PUBLICATION THAT SAYS WHY AMERICANS MAY NEVER FEEL THE
[00:03:19] TRADE WAR, OTTOWA'S BEDDING TERRACE WILL ANGER U.S.
[00:03:24] CONSUMERS, -- OTTAWA IS BETTING
[00:03:27] THE TARIFFS WILL ANGER U.S. CONSUMERS.
[00:03:29] GUEST: THAT APPLY SPECIFICALLY
[00:03:33] TO CANADIAN TARIFFS. I MENTIONED THAT TARIFFS ON
[00:03:37] CHINA DO IT CONSUMERS. CHINA PRODUCES FINISHED GOODS.
[00:03:40] THE COSTS OF THOSE GOODS MORE
[00:03:46] QUICKLY AND HEAVILY SHOWS UP FOR CONSUMERS. IF YOU'RE BUYING A RADIO OR
[00:03:50] COMPUTER FROM CHINA, IT IS A FINISHED PRODUCT.
[00:03:53] WITH CANADA IT IS WEAK, OIL,
[00:03:57] POTASH.
[00:03:59] POTASH PRODUCES CROPS THAT EVENTUALLY MAKE THEIR WAY TO YOU.
[00:04:03] YOU DON'T SEE THE COST THAT IS HEAVILY FROM CANADA.
[00:04:08] OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE GRASSROOTS.
[00:04:11] WE HAVE DONE A DEEP, DEEP DIVE
[00:04:14] OF STARTING IN COLORADO WITH
[00:04:17] SURVEYS, IDEATION WORK, AND WE WERE IN DENVER TWO WEEKS AGO
[00:04:21] INTERVIEWING COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS, BUSINESS LEADERS.
[00:04:26] THIS IS NOT THE TYPICAL WAY THE WORK IS DONE FROM THE TOP DOWN.
[00:04:30] WE ARE STARTING FROM THE BOTTOM, AT THE GRASSROOTS AND LOOKING
[00:04:34] FOR REAL IMPACTS ON PEOPLE.
[00:04:37] WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU NORMALLY
[00:04:40] HEAR INSIDE THE ELITE POLICY
[00:04:42] GENERATION CIRCLES INSIDE OF WASHINGTON, D.C.
[00:04:45] HOST: THAT'S AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.
[00:04:49] WE ARE SPEAKING WITH CARLO DADE FROM THE NEW NORTH AMERICA
[00:04:53] INITIATIVE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACTS
[00:04:57] OF THIS NEW TRADE WAR BETWEEN THE U.S. AND CANADA.
[00:04:59] IF YOU WANT TO CALL AND ASK HIM A QUESTION OR SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS, WE WELCOME IT.
[00:05:03] WE WILL PUT THE PHONE LINES UP ON THE SCREEN.
[00:05:07] CARLO, I NOTICED THIS STORY FROM
[00:05:10] A LOCAL PAPER IN MAINE, ONE OF THE BORDER STATES.
[00:05:15] THE OUTGOING DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN JARED GOLDEN ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS IN
[00:05:20] CONGRESS, SPOKE TO HIS LOCAL PAPER AND SAID IT WILL NOT GO WELL FOR THEM.
[00:05:24] JARED GOLDEN STICKS WITH TRUMP
[00:05:28] ON THE TERRIFIED. HE'S REPEATEDLY BACKED ACTIONS
[00:05:32] THAT IT ONCE AGAIN PUTTING U.S.-CANADA RELATIONS TO THE TEST.
[00:05:36] HE ESSENTIALLY SAID SPEAKING TO HIS CANADIAN NEIGHBORS THIS IS
[00:05:40] NOT GOING TO GO WELL FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU RELY ON US MORE THAN WE RELY ON YOU.
[00:05:43] WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
[00:05:46] GUEST: IN THE MOST OBVIOUS
[00:05:50] SENSE, NOT ANY NUANCE OR DEPTH,
[00:05:54] THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE SIZE OF THE ECONOMIES. EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT.
[00:05:59] POPULATION, MILITARY POWER, ETC.
[00:06:02] BUT IN TERMS OF THE DEEPER
[00:06:05] INTEGRATION IT IS NOT JUST TRADE.
[00:06:09] YOU RELY ON HELP FROM CANADA FOR ISSUES SUCH AS FOREST FIRE
[00:06:13] MANAGEMENT.
[00:06:17] OUT WEST WE FIGHT FIRES
[00:06:21] TOGETHER. WE JUST LOST A CANADIAN WHO GAVE
[00:06:24] HIS LIFE FIGHTING THE FIRES IN COLORADO.
[00:06:28] ON THE ISSUES THAT MATTER MOST
[00:06:30] DIRECTLY TO PEOPLE AND IMPACT THEIR LIVES, THERE ARE IMPACTS
[00:06:34] FROM CANADA. WE ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP YOU WITH
[00:06:37] SOME OF THE ISSUES WE FACE.
[00:06:39] LONG-TERM DROUGHT, DEALING WITH
[00:06:42] MANAGEMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENT IN
[00:06:43] THE WEST, AGRICULTURAL TRADE,
[00:06:48] PROTECTING THE AGRICULTURAL INTEGRITY OF BEEF, LIVESTOCK IN
[00:06:52] NORTH AMERICA. WE ARE A CRITICAL PARTNER. POTASH.
[00:06:56] YOU CAN'T NOT GROW CROPS IN THE U.S. WITHOUT POTASH.
[00:07:00] WE IMPORT 80% OF IT AND ANOTHER
[00:07:04] 80% OF THAT COMES FROM CANADA.
[00:07:07] THERE ARE WAYS THAT ARE MORE
[00:07:09] SUBTLE THAN THE BLUNT TOOL
[00:07:13] STATEMENT. IN THE END NO ONE WINS FROM THIS.
[00:07:17] NO ONE BENEFITS.
[00:07:19] IT IS GREAT FOR BLUSTER BUT THE
[00:07:23] LONGER DAY IN, DAY OUT REALITY AND I THINK AMERICANS KNOW THIS,
[00:07:26] THE REALITY IS WE NEED A FRIEND
[00:07:30] ON THE NORTHERN BORDER, NOT AN ADVERSARY. WE HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE
[00:07:35] RELATIONSHIP. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE THROWING THAT AWAY.
[00:07:38] HOST: WE HAVE A COLOR FROM
[00:07:43] VANCOUVER CALLING IN. RODERICK. YOU ARE ON WITH OUR GUESTS.
[00:07:47] WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? CALLER: THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING
[00:07:51] ME TO SPEAK.
[00:07:54] DIRECTED TO YOUR GUEST, YOUR
[00:07:59] WORK RELATED TO TRADE BETWEEN CANADA AND UNITED STATES, I'M
[00:08:04] SURE YOU ARE AWARE IT IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT.
[00:08:09] I AM WONDERING WHETHER YOU WOULD
[00:08:12] AGREE THAT CANADA HAS A ROLE TO
[00:08:16] PLAY IN PUSHING BACK AGAINST
[00:08:21] ROGUE MISCONDUCT BY THE UNITED STATES. FOR EXAMPLE, THE BLOCKADING OF
[00:08:26] OIL GOING INTO CUBA, THE
[00:08:30] KIDNAPPING FROM VENEZUELA, KILLING 200 PEOPLE IN THAT OPERATION.
[00:08:35] THE S TRADITIONAL MURDERING OF
[00:08:37] PEOPLE IN BOTH -- EXTRAJUDICIAL
[00:08:40] MURDERING OF THE CARIBBEAN.
[00:08:45] . TOO MANY TO NAME.
[00:08:48] ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT WAS
[00:08:50] RECENTLY IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF A WAR AGAINST THE INTERNATIONAL
[00:08:53] CRIMINAL COURT AND THE
[00:08:57] ESTABLISHMENT OF SANCTIONS AGAINST ITS CHIEF JUDGE.
[00:09:02] A CANADIAN JUDGE. KIMBERLY FROST, A JUDGE IN THE
[00:09:06] INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT WAS SANCTIONED BY THE UNITED STATES A YEAR AGO.
[00:09:10] CANADA REMAINED SILENT AND HAS NOT PUSHED BACK ONE BIT ABOUT
[00:09:16] THIS SANCTION AGAINST TKIBULI FROST FOR THE CHIEF JUDGE OF THE
[00:09:19] INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT.
[00:09:22] AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE ASKING
[00:09:25] THE UNITED STATES TO BE REASONABLE WITH US IN TRADE.
[00:09:29] WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE UNITED STATES' LEADERSHIP INVOLVED IN
[00:09:33] TRADE NEGOTIATIONS SEE US AS A DOORMAT?
[00:09:38] OUR LEADERS ARE TOO GUTLESS AND UNPRINCIPLED TO PUSH BACK
[00:09:42] PROBABLY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES ON THE GLOBAL STAGE.
[00:09:45] THEY KNOW, AMERICAN NEGOTIATORS
[00:09:49] KNOW THAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH WIMPS. THEY HAVE NO BACKBONE, NO
[00:09:53] CAN WALK ALL OVER CANADA IN TRADE ISSUES AND NOT WORRY ABOUT IT.
[00:09:56] DO YOU AGREE?
[00:10:01] GUEST: SO, LET'S LOOK AT THE PREMISE OF THE QUESTION.
[00:10:04] THE START WAS, CANADA'S ROLE GLOBALLY IN THIS GLOBAL
[00:10:08] PHENOMENON. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN THE
[00:10:12] ANALYSIS OF THIS BEING A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.
[00:10:15] I MENTIONED 22 COUNTRIES HAVE
[00:10:17] HAD TRADE AGREEMENTS OVERWRITTEN
[00:10:20] OR NEW AGREEMENTS ESSENTIALLY
[00:10:28] IMPOSED IMPOSED THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS BY THE AMERICANS. THIS IS A GLOBAL ISSUE BEYOND
[00:10:32] JUST CANADA, AND HOW WE REACT AS PART OF A GLOBAL RESPONSE. IN CANADA WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE
[00:10:36] WHERE WE SPEND SCARCE FOREIGN
[00:10:38] RESOURCES. WE'VE HAD MASSIVE BUDGET CUTS,
[00:10:41] AS HAVE MOST OTHER COUNTRIES, AT
[00:10:42] THE FOREIGN MINISTRY.
[00:10:56] THAT WEAKENS OUR CAPACITY. WE ALSO HAVE TO FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS MOST IMPORTANT DAY IN AND
[00:10:58] DAY OUT TO CANADIANS ACROSS THE
[00:11:09] WHAT IMPACTS PEOPLE AND THEIR HOUSEHOLD BUDGETS? WHAT IMPACTS PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. THAT PRIORITY IN CANADA NOW IS
[00:11:13] DEALING WITH THE UNITED STATES. WE ARE ALSO ENGAGING MASSIVELY IN EXPANDING OUR PRESENCE IN THE INDO PACIFIC. WE MADE A GENERATIONAL
[00:11:17] COMMITMENT TO GROWING OUR RELATIONS, NOT JUST TRADE, BUT RELATIONS AND INDO PACIFIC.
[00:11:19] THOSE TAKE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF
[00:11:24] RESOURCES. YOU CAN'T BE EVERYPLACE AT ONCE DOING EVERYTHING. WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THE HUMAN
[00:11:27] RIGHTS AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ARE TRADITIONAL ELEMENTS OF CANADIAN POLICY, BUT IN THE
[00:11:30] CURRENT MOMENT, CURRENT PRICES,
[00:11:32] WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS MOST
[00:11:34] IMPORTANT FOR CANADIANS, THE
[00:11:48] MARITIMES THROUGH THE PRAIRIES, AND THAT IS DEALING WITH THE UNITED STATES. HOST: RODERICK, THANK YOU FOR
[00:11:52] CALLING IN. JOHN FROM FRANKLIN, NORTH
[00:11:56] CAROLINA ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE. JOHN, YOU'RE ON WITH OUR GUEST. CALLER: I WAS JUST THINKING, WHY
[00:11:59] WOULD CANADA WANT TO DEAL WITH A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT TO TRADE WITH
[00:12:03] ANYWAY?
[00:12:09] WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT TO? I HOPE THEY STICK TO THEIR GUNS
[00:12:13] AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SHOW
[00:12:16] TRUMP AND HIS GOVERNMENT, HIS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT, THAT THEY
[00:12:19] AREN'T GOING TO TAKE WHAT HE'S DISHING OUT.
[00:12:21] THAT'S ABOUT ALL.
[00:12:24] HOST: CARLO, LET'S EXPAND ON THAT. YOU HAD AN INTERESTING PIECE
[00:12:28] PUBLISHED LAST MONTH BEFORE THE
[00:12:34] TRADE WAR EXPANDED IN THIS WAY WITH THE HEADLINE, "TRUMP'S NEW
[00:12:36] TARIFFS ARE DESIGNED TO TEAR CANADA APART: WASHINGTON CAN NOW
[00:12:40] REWARD SOME PROVINCES AND PUNISH OTHERS.
[00:12:42] THE POLITICAL DANGER MAY BE CONSIDERABLE."
[00:12:46] SINCE LATE JULY DO YOU FEEL THERE HAS BEEN A UNITING FACTION ACROSS CANADA CAP OR IS THIS
[00:12:49] PROVINCE BY PROVINCE DEBATE
[00:12:50] PLAYING UP TO THAT COLORS POINT
[00:12:54] -- CALLER'S POINT TO FIGURE OUT
[00:12:58] HOW MUCH TO DABBLE WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP? GUEST: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION
[00:13:00] THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE UNIQUE
[00:13:04] NATURE OF CANADA'S CHALLENGE
[00:13:07] WITH THE U.S. I MENTIONED TO 22 OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH
[00:13:11] THIS.
[00:13:16] IN THE CANADIAN'S CASE, THE AMERICANS UNIQUELY DECIDED TO
[00:13:18] USE SECTION 338 TARIFFS THE
[00:13:24] 1930'S SMOOT-HAWLEY PROVISION. WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS
[00:13:31] PROVISION AS OPPOSED TO IEEPA, WHICH THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN, AND NATIONAL SECURITY TARIFFS, WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT
[00:13:34] 338 IS THERE IS EXPLICIT
[00:13:36] LANGUAGE ALLOWING A PRESIDENT TO
[00:13:40] TARGET SOME NATURAL
[00:13:44] -- SUB-NATURAL JURISDICTIONS IN THE AMERICAN CASE THAT WOULD BE
[00:13:48] STATES AND THE CANADIAN CASE PROVINCES.
[00:13:52] WE ALREADY FACED TENSIONS IN CANADA. MOST OF YOUR LISTENERS KNOW
[00:13:59] THERE HAVE BEEN SEPARATIST MOVEMENTS IN QUEBEC.
[00:14:02] WE HAVE SEPARATIST TENDENCIES IN WESTERN CANADA AS WELL.
[00:14:04] WE ARE FRAUGHT AS A NATION IN
[00:14:08] TERMS OF DIFFERENT REGIONS AND REGIONAL TENSIONS.
[00:14:11] IF THE PRESIDENT HAS THE ABILITY TO REWARD ONE PROVINCE AND
[00:14:15] PUNISH ANOTHER, THE INHERENT TENSION WITHIN CANADA CAN BE
[00:14:20] WORSENED BY A PRESIDENT SEEKING
[00:14:23] TO PLAY ONE PROVINCE OFF AGAINST THE OTHER.
[00:14:27] NOVA SCOTIA, IF YOU PUT CANADIAN LIQUOR BACK ON THE SHELVES, WILL
[00:14:34] ALLOW NOVA SCOTIA WINE -- YES,
[00:14:39] WE PRODUCE WINE IN NOVA SCOTIA -- WILL ALLOW YOUR WINE TO COME
[00:14:40] IN.
[00:14:44] BRITISH COLUMBIA, WHO MAKES VERY GOOD WINE YOU ARE NOT BEHAVING,
[00:14:48] , LIQUOR OFF THE SHELVES, WE
[00:14:51] WILL TARIFF 50%, I THINK YOUR
[00:14:54] LISTENERS CAN IMAGINE HOW THAT COULD PLAY ONE STATE AGAINST THE
[00:14:56] OTHER. IN THE U.S., CALIFORNIA VERSUS TEXAS. NORTH CAROLINA VERSUS NEW YORK.
[00:15:00] THIS IS A UNIQUE CHALLENGE ONLY
[00:15:03] CANADA FACES FROM THE U.S. WE ARE DEEPLY, DEEPLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS.
[00:15:09] AT THE INITIATIVE WE CONDUCTED WORKING CANADA TESTING RESPONSES TO THIS, WHAT WE SHOULD DO IN
[00:15:13] RESPONSE.
[00:15:16] YES, THE THREAT FROM THE U.S. IS NUANCED AND IT'S DEEP.
[00:15:20] HOST: THAT'S A HELPFUL BREAKDOWN. WE HAD A CALL CALLER BEFORE YOU
[00:15:23] ARE ON ASK HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP IS ABLE TO ISSUE THESE TARIFFS
[00:15:26] BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT UP THE
[00:15:27] SUPREME COURT CASE. AS YOU MENTIONED, THE SUPREME
[00:15:31] COURT TALKING ABOUT THE IEEPA
[00:15:37] TARIFFS, SEPARATE EMERGENCY ACT, THERE ARE MULTIPLE TARIFF TOOLS THE U.S. PRESIDENT CAN USE AND HENCE DEPLOYING THEM AGAINST
[00:15:41] CANADA SEPARATE FROM WHAT THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN.
[00:15:45] THAT WAS A HELPFUL BREAKDOWN.
[00:15:47] WE HAVE A FEW MORE CALLERS WHO
[00:15:51] WANT TO PICK YOUR BRAIN. STEPHEN FROM FREDERICKSBURG ON
[00:15:55] THE INDEPENDENT LINE. YOU'RE ON WITH OUR GUEST, CARLO. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THIS
[00:15:59] CONVERSATION AND I AM JOINING A
[00:16:00] BIT LATE.
[00:16:05] I HAD JUST SPENT A WEEK IN
[00:16:08] ONTARIO THROUGH PART OF THE PROVINCE AND I WAS STRUCK BY --
[00:16:11] YOU KNOW, I WAS STRUCK BY THE FRIENDLINESS AND THE CLOSENESS,
[00:16:15] AND IT JUST TOLD ME ABOUT HOW
[00:16:18] STRONGLY OUR RELATIONS HAVE BEEN OVER THE DECADES.
[00:16:22] I -- I WILL BE HONEST. I FEEL BAD ABOUT HOW WE HAVE
[00:16:25] BEEN TREATING CANADA.
[00:16:27] THE LACK OF RESPECT WE'VE SHOWN.
[00:16:30] I DID ALSO CAPTURE WHAT YOU WERE JUST PICKING UP.
[00:16:33] YOU WERE JUST PICKING UP, SIR,
[00:16:36] ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE DIFFERENT
[00:16:40] PROVINCES AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THE
[00:16:44] ATTEMPT TO PLAY OFF ONE TO THE OTHER. I WAS STRUCK BY THE TEAM CANADA
[00:16:49] MANTRA THAT WAS PUSHING.
[00:16:51] I WAS LISTENING IN PARTICULAR TO
[00:16:53] THE PREMIER FOR MANITOBA REGARDING ALCOHOL.
[00:16:57] HIS COMMENT, LET THE DUST GROW
[00:17:01] ON THE SHELF OF AMERICAN
[00:17:05] ALCOHOL IF IT WERE TO COME BACK
[00:17:06] ON BEFORE THIS LATEST BREAKDOWN.
[00:17:11] SHOULD YOU SEE THAT KIND OF TEAM
[00:17:15] CANADA CONTINUE AS THE U.S. DOES
[00:17:18] TRY TO APPROACH THIS STRATEGY, AS YOU MENTIONED, OF TRYING TO,
[00:17:23] KIND OF, TEAR CANADA APART, PITTING ONE AGAINST THE OTHER. DO YOU NOW SEE CANADA REALLY
[00:17:26] THINKING MORE STRATEGICALLY AS
[00:17:28] TO THE U.S. POLITICAL SITUATION IN WHICH CERTAIN STATES ARE
[00:17:32] VULNERABLE WITH HIGHER PRICES, ETC., WITH OUR MIDTERMS COMING
[00:17:35] UP? THANK YOU.
[00:17:40] GUEST: RIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF TARIFF POLICY, I
[00:17:44] THINK EVERY COUNTRY IS DOING WHAT CANADA IS DOING.
[00:17:46] IT'S THE STANDARD PLAYBOOK WHEN DEALING WITH THE U.S. ON ECONOMIC ISSUES WHEN THE U.S.
[00:17:50] HAS IMPOSED TARIFFS OR CHARGES.
[00:17:55] YOU TARGET HARLEY-DAVIDSONS, YOU
[00:18:01] TARGET URBAN -- SOMETHING DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO IN
[00:18:07] ALBERTA -- BUT YOU TARGET PRODUCTS WITH CERTAIN STATES, CERTAIN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. THAT WILL CONTINUE.
[00:18:10] IT HAS BEEN STANDARD. I WILL NOTE CANADA IS THE ONLY
[00:18:16] COUNTRY -- WELL, ONE OF TWO
[00:18:20] COUNTRIES THAT HAVE DARED TO RETALIATE AGAINST THE U.S.. THE OTHER BEING CHINA.
[00:18:24] WE'VE TAKEN AN EXTRA SPECIAL HIT FROM THE U.S. BECAUSE WE HAVE RETALIATED. THE LAST TIME I WAS AT USTR IN
[00:18:28] WASHINGTON THE FIRST THING THEY SAID TO ME AFTER GOOD MORNING
[00:18:31] WAS, YOU DO KNOW THAT ONLY TWO
[00:18:33] COUNTRIES HAVE DARED TO RETALIATE AND BOTH BEGIN WITH A
[00:18:36] C.
[00:18:39] THE IMPLICATION WAS THEY CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT CHINA, BUT A SMALLER ECONOMY LIKE CANADA THEY
[00:18:43] CAN.
[00:18:46] SO WE'RE GEARING UP. THIS IS PARTIALLY WHY YOU ARE
[00:18:50] SEEING THE HARSHER TREATMENT FOR
[00:18:53] CANADA THAN YOU SO FOR JAPAN, ARGENTINA, KOREA, THE U.K.,
[00:19:01] PAKISTAN THE OTHER COUNTRIES , THAT THE U.S. FORCED TO SIGN AGREEMENTS.
[00:19:04] ON THE PROVINCES I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR AMERICAN AUDIENCES TO UNDERSTAND THAT CANADIAN
[00:19:07] PROVINCES AREN'T U.S. STATES.
[00:19:10] IN MANY WAYS CANADA IS MORE THE
[00:19:14] UNITED EMIRATES OF CANADA THEN IT IS THE FEDERATION.
[00:19:17] PROVINCES HAVE EXTRAORDINARY POWERS OVER THINGS THAT IMPACT
[00:19:21] TRADE.
[00:19:25] WORK RULES GOVERNMENT , PROCUREMENT, LIQUOR ON SHELVES.
[00:19:29] SO THERE ARE WAYS THE
[00:19:34] PROVINCES PLAY A ROLE THAT IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT THAN U.S. STATES. ON ONE HAND IT ALLOWS MORE LOCAL
[00:19:38] CONTROL.
[00:19:41] BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WELL, IT ALLOWS PROVINCES TO GO ROGUE. WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO MANAGE
[00:19:45] THAT TENSION.
[00:19:49] I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS. CURRENTLY, TARIFFS FROM THE
[00:19:53] U.S., SECTION 232 TARIFFS,
[00:19:56] STEEL, ALUMINUM, NATIONAL
[00:20:00] SECURITY TARIFFS. 60% OF WHAT ONTARIO AND QU BEC
[00:20:04] -- AND QUEBEC EXPORT TO THE U.S., 60% BY VALUE, ARE SUBJECT
[00:20:07] TO TARIFFS.
[00:20:09] OUT HERE IN THE PRAIRIES OF
[00:20:13] ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN, IT'S LESS THAN 5% OF WHAT WE EXPORT.
[00:20:17] BRITISH COLUMBIA IS CLOSER TO 40%. NEWFOUNDLAND LESS THAN 1%.
[00:20:23] YOU HAVE THIS REALLY DISPARATE ECONOMIC IMPACT ALREADY ON THE
[00:20:26] PROVINCES. THAT CREATES A BASELINE TENSION
[00:20:29] AS SOME PROVINCES SUFFER AND OTHERS DON'T. SO WE ALL ALREADY IN A WEAK
[00:20:33] POSITION TO BEGIN WITH.
[00:20:37] AND THIS 338 SECTION ON TOP OF IT POSES A REAL THREAT.
[00:20:41] WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO
[00:20:43] DESTABILIZE YOUR NEIGHBOR, WHO FOUGHT SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH
[00:20:47] YOU IN AFGHANISTAN -- I
[00:20:51] MENTIONED THE CANADIAN FIREFIGHTER HELICOPTER PILOT WHO
[00:20:53] LOST HIS LIFE FIGHTING FIRES IN
[00:20:56] COLORADO -- THAT'S REALLY
[00:21:01] CAUSING PROBLEMS UP HERE, AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE.
[00:21:04] HOST: THANK YOU FOR THAT CALL,
[00:21:08] HAVING JUST TRAVELED TO CANADA.
[00:21:15] WE HAVE A GRAPHIC I WANT TO PUT ON SCREEN. THE FIRST OVERALL IS A BREAKDOWN FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.
[00:21:19] THE NEW TRADE WAR, U.S. TARIFFS ON CANADA, 50% ON ABOUT $20 BILLION WORTH OF GOODS. THE INITIAL ROUND WAS
[00:21:22] IMPLEMENTED AUGUST 22.
[00:21:26] THE NEXT PHASE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCED WHICH TARGETS THINGS MORE LIKE CAR PARTS GOES
[00:21:29] INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1, 2027.
[00:21:33] AND THEN WE HAVE THIS BREAKDOWN FROM THE U.S. TRADE REPS OFFICE OF TOP U.S. IMPORTS FROM CANADA.
[00:21:37] YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A BIG
[00:21:38] TRADING RELATIONSHIP.
[00:21:42] $119 BILLION FOR MINERAL FUELS AND OILS.
[00:21:48] $45.8 BILLION FOR VEHICLES AND PARTS.
[00:21:53] $30.1 BILLION FOR MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT.
[00:21:56] $12.8 BILLION FOR PLASTICS.
[00:22:00] $10.2 BILLION FOR LUMBER.
[00:22:04] FROM LONG GROVE, ILLINOIS, SHE SAYS WHAT IS MR. DADE'S VIEW OF THE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT CANADA HAS GIVEN TO OTHER
[00:22:07] COUNTRIES? DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT?
[00:22:11] GUEST: SURE. PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT IS STANDARD INTERNATIONALLY.
[00:22:13] THE U.S. HAS AGREEMENTS -- I
[00:22:17] FORGET HOW MANY YOU HAVE -- BUT AGREEMENTS WHERE YOU GIVE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT OTHER
[00:22:21] COUNTRIES.
[00:22:24] IT'S CALLED A TRADE AGREEMENT, ESSENTIALLY. I THINK LISTENERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE U.S. HAVING TRADE AGREEMENTS AND OTHER COUNTRIES
[00:22:28] HAVING TRADE AGREEMENTS. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS TO THE BENEFIT OF CANADIANS AND THE
[00:22:31] COUNTRIES WITH WHOM WE TRADE. IT'S NOT SURPRISING.
[00:22:35] WHAT HAS OCCURRED RECENTLY, THE
[00:22:38] U.S. HAS ATTEMPTED TO HAVE A SAY
[00:22:40] IN NOT JUST OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT CANADA CAN SIGN, BUT AGAIN
[00:22:44] -- I KEEP MENTIONING THE 22
[00:22:46] OTHER COUNTRIES THAT PRECEDED US
[00:22:49] IN DOING THIS WITH THE U.S. --
[00:22:51] IT HAS HAD -- IT FORCED THESE
[00:22:54] COUNTRIES TO ACCEPT U.S. VETOES,
[00:22:58] U.S. INFLUENCE, OR U.S.
[00:23:02] DIRECTION IN AGREEMENTS THAT
[00:23:05] SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES CAN SIGN WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.
[00:23:08] ESSENTIALLY, THEY ARE FORCING OTHER COUNTRIES TO ALIGN WITH
[00:23:12] U.S. DEFINITIONS OF U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY.
[00:23:14] THIS WAS THE CASE IN THE DEAL
[00:23:16] THE U.S. SIGNED WITH MALAYSIA.
[00:23:19] OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS
[00:23:22] IS A PROBLEM FOR INDEPENDENT,
[00:23:24] SOVEREIGN NATIONS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE U.S. HAVING ANYWHERE
[00:23:28] FROM A SAY, TO A NUDGE, TO WHAT
[00:23:32] SOME PERCEIVED TO BE A VETO OVER TRADE POLICY.
[00:23:39] ESSENTIALLY STARTED UNDER THE CURRENT USMCA AGREEMENT WHERE WE AGREED WITH THE AMERICANS THAT
[00:23:42] WE WOULD SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT
[00:23:45] NEGOTIATIONS WITH NONMARKET
[00:23:47] COUNTRIES, BY WHICH OF THE U.S.
[00:23:51] MEANT VIETNAM AND CHINA.
[00:23:56] WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT
[00:23:57] IS, WE AGREED ON USMCA TO SHARE
[00:24:02] INFORMATION AND ESSENTIALLY NOT TO SIGN WITH NONMARKET COUNTRIES. BUT FIVE MINUTES AFTER THE INK
[00:24:08] DRIED ON USMCA THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, THE FIRST TRUMP
[00:24:10] ADMINISTRATION, TURNED AROUND
[00:24:12] AND ASSIGNED A TRADE AGREEMENT
[00:24:16] -- AND SIGNED A TRADE AGREEMENT WITH CHINA THAT TOOK MARKET
[00:24:19] SHARE FROM CANADIAN FARMERS.
[00:24:24] SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A STORY THAT'S NOT WELL KNOWN IN THE U.S., BUT THIS POINTS TO THE UNDERLYING
[00:24:28] RESENTMENT AND INABILITY TO
[00:24:29] TRUST THE U.S.
[00:24:32] WE, OF COURSE, HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO WORK WITH THE U.S.
[00:24:36] YOU ARE OUR NEIGHBOR.
[00:24:39] 75% OF OUR EXPORTS GO TO YOU. WE HAVE DEEP, DEEP FAMILY TIES,
[00:24:44] HISTORIC TIES, ETC.. WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO WORK
[00:24:47] WITH YOU, BUT IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
[00:24:49] I THINK THE STORIES THAT DON'T
[00:24:51] MAKE THE NEWS, LIKE STABBING US
[00:24:55] IN THE BACK OR MORE LIKE SH
[00:25:02] IVING US IN THE PRISON EXERCISE YARD WITH CHINA IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS HAS BECOME.
[00:25:06] HOST: THE OVERALL FIGURE 75% OF YOUR EXPERTS COME INTO THE U.S.
[00:25:09] IS NOTABLE, THREE QUARTERS. IT'S A BIG DEAL.
[00:25:14] LET'S HEAR FROM A COUPLE MORE CALLERS. ERIC FROM MINNESOTA ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE. ERIC, YOU'RE ARE ON WITH OUR
[00:25:17] GUEST. CALLER: YES.
[00:25:20] I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
[00:25:23] THE PROBLEM IN THIS BIG WORLD IS
[00:25:25] THAT WE ARE AT A KEY JUNCTURE
[00:25:27] WITH OUR ENERGY REQUIREMENT.
[00:25:33] AND FOR TRUMP IT IS ALL OIL ALL THE TIME. HE IS TRYING TO GET MEMBERSHIP
[00:25:36] INTO THE BIG CARTELS. AND TO DO THAT HE'S GOT TO TAKE
[00:25:40] OIL. AND THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WILL BE CALLED IN
[00:25:43] HISTORY THE OIL WARS.
[00:25:45] IF WE GO DOWN THE TRAIL EXCLUSIVELY THERE WILL BE BLOOD
[00:25:49] ON THE TRAIL.
[00:25:52] AND IF WE ARE A BIG COUNTRY WITH BIG ARMS, WE WILL TAKE AND TAKE AND TAKE.
[00:25:56] AND WE'VE DONE IT TO VENEZUELA. WE ARE DOING IT TO IRAN.
[00:25:59] HE'S NOT TELLING US WHY HE'S IN IRAN, BUT 10% OF THE OIL
[00:26:01] RESERVES ARE IN THAT COUNTRY.
[00:26:03] HE'S GOING FOR THEM.
[00:26:09] SO, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS TO GO -- YOU KNOW TRY TO GO GREEN.
[00:26:12] , CHINA IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE
[00:26:14] COUNTRY WHICH PLAYS BOTH CARDS.
[00:26:21] THEY ARE DEVELOPING THEIR E-CARS
[00:26:25] AND ALTERNATIVE ENERGIES ACROSS-THE-BOARD. LOOK HOW WELL THEY'RE DOING WITH IT.
[00:26:29] WE HEAR ABOUT IT. IN OUR COUNTRY TRUMP HAS NOT ONLY GONE ALL OIL HE HAS
[00:26:33] CANCELED ALL GREEN. CANCELED THE CLEAN AIR INITIATIVE, CLEAN WATER
[00:26:36] INITIATIVE, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD PURSUE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY
[00:26:38] ACROSS THE BOARD.
[00:26:41] AND CANADA IS IN THE GUNSIGHT OF
[00:26:44] THAT BECAUSE CANADA HAS OFFERED
[00:26:47] US SOME OIL, BUT PRINCIPALLY THEY ARE A COUNTRY WHICH COULD
[00:26:50] PLAY GREEN VERY WELL.
[00:26:52] THEY HAVE GREEN MOUNTAINS AND
[00:26:55] SKI AREAS AND SUCH. IT'S ALL ABOUT WHICH WAY WE GO
[00:26:58] IN THE WORLD. DO WE GO ALL OIL, ALL IN?
[00:27:01] IF WE ARE WE HAVE TO BE ARMED TO THE TEETH BECAUSE WE WILL TAKE
[00:27:04] MORE AS WE NEED IT.
[00:27:07] IF WE GO GREEN, EACH COUNTRY CAN
[00:27:09] PRODUCE ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
[00:27:13] CAN BE LITTLE ENGINES OF DEVELOPMENT OF GREEN RACING TO DO THE BEST GREEN.
[00:27:17] THAT'S THE WAY WE NEED TO GO.
[00:27:23] TRUMP IS A MADMAN, BUT HE'S FUELED BY PUTIN AND THE CARTELS
[00:27:26] AND THEY ARE INSTRUCTING HIM ON
[00:27:29] HOW YOU BECOME RAPACIOUS AND GO
[00:27:33] FOR OIL ALL THE TIME WITH BLOODTHIRSTY INTENT. THANK YOU. HOST: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT
[00:27:36] ARGUMENT? HE CLEARLY WAS NOT A FAN OF PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT HOW DO YOU FACTOR OIL INTO THIS BROADER
[00:27:40] TRADE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE U.S. AND CANADA AND THE LONG
[00:27:43] STANDING RELATIONSHIP? GUEST: IT'S INTERESTING.
[00:27:47] BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ALBERTA IS AN
[00:27:49] OIL PRODUCER.
[00:27:51] MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF OIL.
[00:27:55] IT GOES TO THE U.S. WE ARE THE LARGEST SUPPLIER FOR
[00:27:58] I THINK ONE OR TWO OF YOUR PETROLEUM AREA RESERVES.
[00:28:02] YOU GET 100% OF THE OIL FOR
[00:28:04] THOSE RESERVES FROM CANADA.
[00:28:10] SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT IT
[00:28:14] THOUGH IS OUT HERE IN THE WEST THE TIES IN THE MOUNTAIN WEST,
[00:28:17] THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS, GO BEYOND OIL.
[00:28:20] EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUR LARGEST EXPORT.
[00:28:23] WHAT LINKS US WITH THE AMERICAN
[00:28:24] MOUNTAIN WEST AND THE AMERICAN
[00:28:27] PRAIRIES IS NOT OIL, REALLY. IT'S EVERYTHING ELSE WE DO IN
[00:28:30] COMMON. THINGS THAT TOUCH PEOPLE EVERY DAY.
[00:28:35] I MENTIONED DEALING WITH FOREST FIRES, AGRICULTURAL ISSUES,
[00:28:39] HEALING THE URBAN/RURAL DIVIDE IS AN ISSUE THAT WE UNIQUELY
[00:28:42] SHARE BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S., CERTAINLY IN ITS WESTERN
[00:28:46] MANIFESTATION.
[00:28:49] OIL IS THERE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK BEYOND OIL YOU SEE SO MUCH MORE.
[00:28:52] ON CLEAN ENERGY, THIS IS A
[00:28:57] GLOBAL CHALLENGE. WE ARE WORKING ON ENERGY
[00:29:00] TRANSITION IN CANADA.
[00:29:03] HERE IN ALBERTA, EVEN THOUGH WE PRODUCE SO MUCH OIL, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST PER CAPITA PRESENCE OF
[00:29:07] WIND POWER I THINK IN NORTH AMERICA.
[00:29:09] WE HAVE LOST AN ALLY IN THE
[00:29:12] CLEAN ENERGY DEVELOPMENT FIGHT
[00:29:15] GLOBALLY WITH THE U.S..
[00:29:18] WE USED TO HAVE AN ALLY. THIS IS HOW WE WERE GOING TO
[00:29:21] GROW THE INDUSTRY TOGETHER.
[00:29:26] YOU'RE FORCING PEOPLE TO LOOK TO
[00:29:28] CHINA TO DEVELOP CLEAN ENERGY. THOSE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT LOOKED TO THE U.S. FOR
[00:29:32] LEADERSHIP IN THE ENERGY
[00:29:34] TRANSITION ARE NOW FACED WITH
[00:29:36] THE CHOICE OF TRYING TO GO IT ALONE, WORKING TOGETHER, OR,
[00:29:39] POTENTIALLY, WORKING WITH CHINA.
[00:29:40] BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE
[00:29:44] U.S. HAS MADE IT TO WHERE YOU REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DEAL WITH CHINA.
[00:29:48] THE ONLY QUESTION IS, DO YOU DO IT A LOT OR DO YOU DO THE BARE
[00:29:52] MINIMUM? WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE DEALING WITH CHINA, THERE REALLY ISN'T A
[00:29:55] CHOICE.
[00:29:57] THAT IS THANKS, I WOULD ARGUE,
[00:29:59] LARGELY TO POSITIONS THE U.S.
[00:30:01] GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN RECENTLY. HOST: CARLO DADE IS THE DIRECTOR
[00:30:05] OF INTERNATIONAL POLICY FOR THE NEW NORTH AMERICAN INITIATIVE
[00:30:09] AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY.
[00:30:12] CARLO, THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR INSIGHT. GUEST: MY PLEASURE.
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