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[00:00:00] >> AFTER A LOOK AT THE NEWS AND VIEWER WILL WELCOME NEIL
[00:00:04] CHILSON, FORMER FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSIONER AND CHIEF TECHNOLOGIST FOR THE TRUMP
[00:00:08] ADMINISTRA. LISTEN TO THE SHOW. HE'LL DISCUSS OVERSIGHT OF THE
[00:00:11] BURGEONING A.I. INDUSTRY AND
[00:00:13] LATER FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF BALTIMORE SCHOOL OF LAW,
[00:00:17] PROFESSOR KIMBERLY WHALEY WILL JOIN US TO TALK ABOUT VOTING
[00:00:20] RIGHTS AND THE UPCOMING MIDTERM.
[00:00:22] C-SPAN'S WASHINGTON JOURNAL IS NEXT.
[00:00:26] PLEASE JOIN THE
[00:00:39] HOST: TODAY IS SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER
[00:00:44] 20, WELCOME TO WASHINGTON JOURNAL. LAWMAKERS HAVE LEFT WASHINGTON
[00:00:49] DC SEEKING AN EARLY DISMISSAL
[00:00:51] FROM HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON TO CAMPAIGN FOR THE MIDTERM ELECTION.
[00:00:56] JOHNSON IS POSTING THE 119 CONGRESS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE
[00:00:59] MOST PRODUCTIVE THUS FAR EVEN AFTER LEAVING SEVERAL ISSUES FOR
[00:01:02] A VOTE.
[00:01:07] WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
[00:01:10] HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS SO FAR?
[00:01:14] HERE IS HOW YOU CAN JOIN IN ON THE CONVERSATION.
[00:01:16] DEMOCRATS, 202-748-8000.
[00:01:19] REPUBLICANS, 202-748-8001.
[00:01:23] INDEPENDENTS, 202-748-8002.
[00:01:29] YOU CAN ALSO REACH US BY TEXT
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[00:01:48] X HANDLE IS [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:01:52] --@CSPANWJ.
[00:01:56] HOUSE LAWMAKERS ARE SET TO BE
[00:01:58] ABSENT FOR SIX WEEKS FROM
[00:02:01] WASHINGTON DC UNLIKELY TO RETURN
[00:02:02] UNTIL AFTER MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN
[00:02:06] NOVEMBER. HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON DEFENDED THE EARLIER DISMISSAL SAYING CONGRESS HAD IN FACT DONE
[00:02:10] ITS JOB. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:02:14] SPEAKER JOHNSON: WE GIVE THE LARGEST MIDDLE AND WORKING-CLASS
[00:02:17] TAX CUT IN HISTORY. WE ESTABLISHED TRUMP ACCOUNTS US
[00:02:21] EVERY AMERICAN CHILD HAS A FINANCIAL STAKE IN THE FUTURE OF THIS COMPANY.
[00:02:25] -- COUNTRY. POWERFUL INCENTIVES TO BUILD AND HIRE AMERICAN.
[00:02:29] THAT'S THE AMERICA FIRST AGENDA. THE BIGGEST BOOST TO AMERICAN
[00:02:32] BUSINESSES IN DECADES. TALKING ABOUT SHIPYARDS AND
[00:02:36] PLANTS AND FACTORIES AND BRINGING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GOOD PAYING JOBS WITH THEM.
[00:02:41] WE STORED SAFETY IN ORDER,
[00:02:45] VIOLENT CRIME -- V THE MURDER RATE FOR EXAMPLE HAS PLUMMETED
[00:02:48] TO A 126 YEAR LOW WITH FAR FEWER
[00:02:52] AMERICANS DYING FROM THE SCOURGE OF FENTANYL IN OUR COMMUNITIES THE FLOODED OVER THE BORDER
[00:02:55] UNDER THE BIDEN HARRIS COLLEGE
[00:02:58] CAMPUSES AND STREETS OF EVERY SO MANY TOWNS IN THESE COUNTRIES.
[00:03:02] LAST BUT NOT LEAST WE CLOSE THE BORDER.
[00:03:04] ILLEGAL CROSSINGS ARE AT ZERO. THEY HAVE BEEN FOR OVER 15 MONTHS.
[00:03:08] CARTELS AND CRIMINALS ARE GOING TO JAIL WHERE THEY BELONG AFTER
[00:03:11] FOUR YEARS OF ABSOLUTE ANARCHY
[00:03:15] UNDER JOE BIDEN'S BORDER POLICY.
[00:03:21] HOST: THAT WAS HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON DEFENDING HIS DECISION TO CANCEL VOTES ON
[00:03:24] WEDNESDAY -- CANCEL THURSDAY VOTES AND SEND HIS LAWMAKERS
[00:03:27] BACK HOME TO CAMPAIGN BEFORE THE
[00:03:31] MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
[00:03:32] DEMOCRATS WERE ROUNDLY CRITICAL OF THIS DECISION.
[00:03:35] TAKE A LISTEN TO DEMOCRATIC
[00:03:39] LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:03:42] >> HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE
[00:03:46] DETERMINED TO MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[00:03:51] WE JUST NEED A HANDFUL OF
[00:03:56] REPUBLICANS TO STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP AND JOIN US.
[00:04:02] INSTEAD, THEY HAVE DECIDED TO CANCEL VOTES AND RUN OUT OF TOWN
[00:04:07] WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY RELIEF TO
[00:04:11] HARD-WORKING AMERICAN TAXPAYERS.
[00:04:15] REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE NOTHING TO
[00:04:17] LOWER THE HIGH COST OF GROCERIES, NOTHING TO MAKE
[00:04:21] HEALTH CARE MORE AFFORDABLE. NOTHING TO END THE RECKLESS WAR
[00:04:25] OF CHOICE IN IRAN. NOTHING TO LOWER GAS PRICES.
[00:04:29] NOTHING TO STOP THE VIOLENT MASS
[00:04:33] DEPORTATION MACHINE. NOTHING TO HOLD THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE FOR
[00:04:36] THE UNPRECEDENTED CORRUPTION UNLEASHED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[00:04:39] THIS IS THE DO-NOTHING
[00:04:43] REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND IS ABOUT
[00:04:46] TO COME TO AN END.
[00:04:47] HOST: DEMOCRATIC MINORITY LEADER
[00:04:52] HAKEEM JEFFRIES CRITICIZING THE DECISION TO CANCEL VOTES SENDING
[00:04:55] LAWMAKERS HOME FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS.
[00:04:57] ON THE WASHINGTON JOURNAL
[00:05:02] LAWMAKERS EARLY EXIT REIGNITE IGNITES DEBATE OVER WORK ETHIC.
[00:05:05] IT'S AS HOW'S LAWMAKERS ARE HEADING HOME TILL AFTER THE
[00:05:09] ELECTIONS GIVING AN EARLY DISMISSAL DESPITE CONCERNS ABOUT
[00:05:11] HIGH GASOLINE PRICES THE DANGERS
[00:05:14] OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
[00:05:18] THEY HAVE AN INTERESTING GRAPHIC IF YOU BEAR WITH ME WHILE I SCROLL.
[00:05:22] YOU CAN SEE WHEN CONGRESS WENT
[00:05:25] FROM 2025 TO DECEMBER JUST TO
[00:05:30] SEE EXACTLY WHEN CONGRESS HAS BEEN IN SESSION.
[00:05:36] JANUARY 2020 FIVE TO DECEMBER 2025.
[00:05:40] OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOW IN SEPTEMBER SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THIS YEAR.
[00:05:45] LET'S TURN TO SOME PHONE CALLS. THE QUESTION THIS MORNING IS HOW
[00:05:49] WOULD YOU GRADE CONGRESS IN THIS
[00:05:55] SESSION SO FAR. SOUTH CAROLINA, A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING AUSTIN.
[00:05:58] CALLER: OUT OF 100 I WOULD GIVE
[00:06:06] CONGRESS A SCORE OF PROBABLY A 30 RIGHT NOW.
[00:06:10] I THINK THAT IS IN LINE WITH HOW TRUMP IS PULLING NATIONALLY.
[00:06:15] I THINK THE OVERLOOK OF THE AI
[00:06:22] URGENCY RIGHT NOW IS A PARTICULARLY BAD PROBLEM.
[00:06:26] I THINK FOREIGN ADVERSARIES ARE
[00:06:31] USING AI AND USING MACHINE
[00:06:36] LEARNING ALGORITHMS TO INFLUENCE
[00:06:39] ELECTIONS WORLDWIDE AND IT'S
[00:06:43] BECOMING A VERY VERY URGENT PROBLEM.
[00:06:47] THE FACT THAT CONGRESS ISN'T
[00:06:50] DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW IS DEEPLY UNSETTLING TO ME.
[00:06:55] >> THAT'S AUSTIN FROM SOUTH
[00:07:00] CAROLINA. STEVE FROM MISSOURI AND INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING STEVE.
[00:07:03] CALLER: YES, IF I COULD GIVE
[00:07:08] THEM ANYTHING LOWER THAN AN F MINUS I WOULD TO DO THAT.
[00:07:12] THIS IS BEYOND JUST DOING A BAD
[00:07:14] JOB, THEY ARE LITERALLY JUST
[00:07:18] DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY AND THEY
[00:07:19] HAVE DONE NOTHING THE WHOLE TIME .
[00:07:23] THE REPUBLICAN PARTY JUST NEEDS
[00:07:24] TO BE ELIMINATED AS FAR AS NO
[00:07:29] MORE OF THE PARTY AND TRUMP IS A
[00:07:31] TRAITOR TO OUR COUNTRY.
[00:07:35] I WILL BE GLAD TO SEE HIM GET OUT OF THERE.
[00:07:37] HOST: I WANT TO SHOW YOU GUYS
[00:07:41] SOME STATISTICS FROM THIS CONGRESS. MY PRODUCERS CAN PUT UP THE
[00:07:46] GRAPHIC HERE.
[00:07:47] IT SAYS JUST OVER 100 LAWS HAVE
[00:07:51] BEEN ENACTED IN THE CURRENT CONGRESS, FEWER THAN ANY OF ITS
[00:07:55] PREDECESSORS SINCE THE CIVIL WAR.
[00:07:57] AN APRIL GALLUP POLL SHOWED IT WAS HIS HISTORIC HIGH OF 86%.
[00:08:02] AND THE HOUSES CUT 28 DAYS THIS
[00:08:05] YEAR WHILE ADDING FOUR OTHERS FOR A NET LOSS OF 24 DAYS ABOUT
[00:08:09] ONE FOURTH OF ITS TOTAL COMING
[00:08:11] FROM ARTICLES IN THE WASHINGTON -- WALL STREET JOURNAL AND NPR.
[00:08:16] SOME DISCUSSIONS HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THEM.
[00:08:23] JIM FROM MISSOURI, A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING.
[00:08:24] CALLER: THIS IS AN ABJECT
[00:08:29] FAILURE BY ANY MEASURE. YOU JUST MENTIONED THEY'VE
[00:08:34] PASSED 100 PIECES OF LEGISLATION
[00:08:37] OUT OF THIS CONGRESS, QUITE A
[00:08:41] BIT OF THAT MUST'VE BEEN VERY
[00:08:44] RECENTLY AND AS MUCH AS I'D
[00:08:47] FIGURED IT WAS UNDER 40 IN THE
[00:08:50] ENTIRE TWO YEAR TIME SO THAT 100
[00:08:54] FIGURE MUST BE SOMETHING RECENTLY.
[00:08:56] HOST: 100 LAWS ENACTED IN THE
[00:08:59] CURRENT CONGRESS.
[00:09:00] CALLER: AND THEN I THINK WHAT
[00:09:04] THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW BY
[00:09:07] TAKING THESE PROTRACTED AMOUNT
[00:09:11] OF TIME AWAY FROM WASHINGTON
[00:09:14] DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DODGE THE BULLET AND AT LEAST
[00:09:19] STABILIZE THEIR DISMAL APPROVAL
[00:09:21] RATINGS IT PROBABLY WON'T WORK
[00:09:27] INASMUCH AS EVERY TIME THEY SEEMED TO KIND OF DODGE OR LAY
[00:09:30] LOW THE ADMINISTRATION DOES
[00:09:34] SOMETHING TO INFURIATE THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC EVEN
[00:09:38] FURTHER.
[00:09:40] I SEE THIS AS THIS IS BAD
[00:09:44] PERFORMANCE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM BY THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, THANK YOU.
[00:09:48] HOST: RICHARD FROM NEW YORK A
[00:09:52] REPUBLICAN GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS CONGRESS.
[00:09:57] CALLER: I WOULD RATE THEIR
[00:10:00] REPUBLICANS A C AND GIVE THE
[00:10:03] DEMOCRATS AND F.
[00:10:05] THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING REGARDING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
[00:10:08] AND CONTINUES TO CRITICIZE THE
[00:10:11] -- THE HEAD OF DHS AND THE MASS
[00:10:17] DEPORTATION OF ILLEGAL
[00:10:18] IMMIGRANTS, THEY HAD NO PROBLEM
[00:10:23] DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA APPOINTED
[00:10:25] HIM HEAD OF DHS AND AT THAT TIME
[00:10:32] -- DAY IMPORTED MORE ILLEGAL
[00:10:35] IMMIGRANTS THAN THEY'VE DONE SO FAR DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. THAT SEEMS TO HAVE CHANGED IN
[00:10:40] THE LAST 10 OR 12 YEARS.
[00:10:43] IT WAS OK DURING THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENCY BUT NOT THE
[00:10:47] REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCY WERE DOING EVERYTHING WRONG.
[00:10:51] I THINK IT'S TIME DEMOCRAT SIT DOWN AND STARTED WORKING ON
[00:10:54] DOING THINGS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND NOT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ITSELF.
[00:10:59] THEY REPRESENT BOTH REPUBLICANS
[00:11:00] AND DEMOCRATS ON BOTH SIDES OF
[00:11:04] THE AISLE. THE REPUBLICANS TONS OF THE TO
[00:11:06] HELP THE REPUBLICANS AND AND DEMOCRATS BOTH IN THE DEMOCRATS
[00:11:10] SEEM TO SAY NO WE CAN'T DO THAT.
[00:11:11] HOST: WHAT'S ONE THING DEMOCRAT
[00:11:15] -- REPUBLICANS ARE PAST THAT YOU LIKE OR DON'T LIKE.
[00:11:18] CALLER: I LIKE THE SAFE ACT.
[00:11:21] I THINK WITH THIS DEAL WITH THE VOTER ID LAWS.
[00:11:30] WITH THE VOTER ID LAWS -- I FIND
[00:11:32] IT HARD TO COMPREHEND PEOPLE CAN
[00:11:36] PROVIDE AN ID TO VOTE BUT THEY
[00:11:37] CAN PROVIDE AN ID TO -- PURCHASE
[00:11:44] ALCOHOL, TOBACCO FIREARMS
[00:11:46] AMMUNITION, QUALIFY FOR MEDICARE
[00:11:50] , SNAPPED AND AND OTHER FEDERAL
[00:11:54] ASSISTANCE BUT IT'S A HARDSHIP TO COMPLY TO HAVE AN ID TO VOTE?
[00:11:59] AND NOW THE NEW MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY.
[00:12:01] HOST: LET'S KEEP THIS ON CONGRESS.
[00:12:05] LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE
[00:12:07] WE GO, WHAT COULD REPUBLICANS DO IN CONGRESS PERHAPS WHEN THEY
[00:12:10] COME BACK IN NOVEMBER TO GET YOUR VOTE, TO GET YOUR GRADE
[00:12:13] FROM A C TO NA.
[00:12:17] CALLER: TO DO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN
[00:12:21] DOING AT THE DEMOCRATS KEEP HOLDING ALL THIS -- -- THIS.
[00:12:24] HOST: YOU GIVE REPUBLICANS A C
[00:12:29] SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT CAME FROM. CALLER: WELL THERE ARE CERTAIN
[00:12:33] THINGS THAT THEY DO THAT BOTH
[00:12:37] PARTIES DO THAT AREN'T ACCEPTABLE FOR THE AMERICAN
[00:12:41] PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK THE REPUBLICANS
[00:12:44] FIGHT HARD ENOUGH TO -- GET THE
[00:12:49] DEMOCRATS TO SAY YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE ISLAND SAY WE NEED TO
[00:12:54] WORK TOGETHER ON THIS WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.
[00:12:59] I THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR A
[00:13:02] LITTLE BIT TOO FAR WITH TARIFFS
[00:13:03] BUT THEY NEED THE TARIFFS TO
[00:13:06] EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD WITH THE AMERICAN BUSINESSES.
[00:13:11] HOST: SO YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A
[00:13:14] LITTLE BIT MORE COMPROMISE AND PERHAPS LESS TARIFFS.
[00:13:17] THAT'S RICHARD FROM NEW YORK A REPUBLICAN.
[00:13:20] BETTY FROM GEORGIA A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
[00:13:23] CALLER: AN F.
[00:13:30] ALL EVERYBODY IN THEIR DESERVES AN F.
[00:13:34] THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
[00:13:35] HOST: BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
[00:13:38] CALLER: THE REPUBLICANS.
[00:13:44] ANOTHER THING I WANT TO SAY. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYBODY TO
[00:13:47] THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES.
[00:13:49] DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT
[00:13:52] NOBODY BUT HIMSELF. AND I'M CAN I TELL YOU
[00:13:55] SOMETHING, HIS PARENTS WITH THE SAME WAY AS HE IS.
[00:14:00] THEY DIDN'T TEACH HIM ABOUT MORALS. AND HOW TO TREAT PEOPLE.
[00:14:04] THAT'S THE REASON HE LIKE HE IS.
[00:14:08] BECAUSE HIS PARENTS DIDN'T GIVE
[00:14:09] A DAM ABOUT HIM LIKE HE DOESN'T
[00:14:13] CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES.
[00:14:14] HOST: ON TEXT MESSAGE WE HAVE
[00:14:18] JOSEPH FROM FAYETTEVILLE HE WRITES I GRADE CONGRESS AS INCOMPLETE.
[00:14:26] OUR NEXT MESSAGE CONGRESS SHOULD NOT GET PAID IF THEY ARE NOT IN SESSION.
[00:14:30] I WOULD SCORE CONGRESS A SOLID F
[00:14:34] MINUS. ANDREW FROM GEORGIA AND INDEPENDENT.
[00:14:36] AND I GIVE CONGRESS AN F.
[00:14:40] PRICES ARE ALL GOING UP. IT WARNER RUN IS DRIVING UP A
[00:14:44] NATIONAL DATA. THERE IS NO HOPE IN SIGHT.
[00:14:48] MIKE AND MINNESOTA. RICKY FROM NORTH CAROLINA DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING.
[00:14:52] CALLER: GOOD MORNING TO YOU.
[00:14:54] HOST: WHAT WOULD YOU GRADE THIS CONGRESS?
[00:14:57] CALLER: I WOULD RATE CONGRESS
[00:15:00] WOULD GIVE THEM AN F, BOTH
[00:15:04] SIDES. CALLER: EXPLAIN THAT FOR
[00:15:08] DEMOCRATS AND YOU BROUGHT THAT IN.
[00:15:09] HOST: THEY HAVE NOT GOT ENOUGH
[00:15:12] GUSTS TO STAND UP TO THE REPUBLICANS OR DONALD TRUMP OR ANYBODY ELSE.
[00:15:17] THEY ARE SCARED OF THAT MAN.
[00:15:20] HOST: HOW WILL YOU BE VOTING IN NOVEMBER?
[00:15:25] CALLER: I WILL NOT VOTE -- WE'VE
[00:15:33] GOT SOME PEOPLE DOWN HERE RUNNING IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT SAID THEY WOULD DO WHAT'S GOOD
[00:15:37] FOR THE PEOPLE AND WHAT'S NOT
[00:15:40] GOOD FOR BIG BUSINESS. BIG BUSINESS DICTATES WHAT WE IN THIS NATION.
[00:15:43] HOST: SO THERE IS AN INCREDIBLY
[00:15:50] WATCHED SENATE RACE HAPPENING IN YOUR STATE, ROY COOPER VERSUS
[00:15:53] MICHAEL WHATLEY DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU WILL VOTE IN THAT?
[00:15:55] CALLER: I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR ROY COOPER.
[00:16:00] HOST: THAT IS RICKY FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
[00:16:06] FROM OREGON, DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING.
[00:16:12] ANA ARE YOU ON THE LINE? GOOD MORNING HOW WOULD YOU GRADE CONGRESS?
[00:16:16] CALLER: I WOULD GIVE THEM AN F.
[00:16:23] A GROUP IN ARLINGTON VIRGINIA AND I'M HORRIFIED AT WHAT
[00:16:26] CONGRESS IS DOING. I AM A STRONG DEMOCRAT AND I AM
[00:16:30] HOPING WE CAN FIND SOME COMMON
[00:16:35] GROUND BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED IN
[00:16:38] THE REPUBLICANS MAINLY WE ARE
[00:16:41] TRYING TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND.
[00:16:45] I AM ESPECIALLY DISAPPOINTED IN OUR SUPREME COURT. IT IS A HOPELESS CASE WHEN NO
[00:16:50] ONE IS WILLING TO FOLLOW THE
[00:16:54] CONSTITUTION. THE WHITE HOUSE DOES NOT BELONG
[00:16:59] TO DONALD TRUMP. IT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE.
[00:17:02] THE MONEY THAT THEY KEEP SAYING THEY WILL SPEND FOR ALL OF THESE
[00:17:06] THINGS IS NEVER MENTIONED.
[00:17:10] MY SISTER SAYS DONALD TRUMP IS
[00:17:15] GIVEN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF HIS
[00:17:16] OWN MONEY, WHAT IS HAPPENING
[00:17:20] THAT WE CANNOT HAVE A FISCAL
[00:17:25] ACCOUNT OF WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING.
[00:17:30] CONGRESS IS NOT ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
[00:17:34] AND IT IS JUST A HOPELESS SITUATION AND IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE.
[00:17:37] WE DON'T NEED TO FEAR THIS MAN. WE DON'T NEED TO FEAR WHAT IS
[00:17:41] GOING TO HAPPEN.
[00:17:42] WE NEED TO SPEAK UP EACH ONE OF
[00:17:45] US, WE NEED TO CAMPAIGN AND THE
[00:17:48] ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE HELPING US OUT RIGHT NOW ARE THE JUDGES.
[00:17:53] NOBODY ELSE. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN OUR COUNTRY.
[00:17:58] AND THE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SPEAK.
[00:18:01] HOST: THOMAS MASSIE THE KENTUCKY
[00:18:07] REPUBLICAN WHO LOST HIS PRIMARY
[00:18:08] SO THIS WILL BE HIS LAST SESSION
[00:18:13] IN CONGRESS, HE WAS EXPECTED TO TEE UP A VOTE TO IMPEACH THE
[00:18:18] DEPARTMENT -- DEFENSE DEPARTMENT
[00:18:22] SEC. PETE HEGSETH ON THURSDAY THAT VOTE WAS CANCELED BY HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON.
[00:18:26] TAKE A LISTEN HERE ON THE FLOOR ON WEDNESDAY CRITICIZING THE DECISION TO SEND LAWMAKERS HOME
[00:18:30] EARLY. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:18:36] REP. MASSIE:. I'M HERE TO GET JUSTICE FOR THE
[00:18:39] EPSTEIN VICTIMS, THE SURVIVORS.
[00:18:40] I AM HERE TO GET THE PRICE OF
[00:18:44] FOOD AND FUEL DOWN FOR OUR
[00:18:49] CONSTITUENTS. WE'VE GOT SOLUTIONS WE JUST REFUSED TO PASS.
[00:18:53] SO WHAT HAPPENED A COUPLE WEEKS
[00:18:56] AGO IS I INTRODUCED THE EPSTEIN
[00:18:58] FILES TRANSPARENCY ACT TO DISCHARGE POSITION.
[00:19:02] AND I PREDICTED THAT THE HOUSE
[00:19:07] WOULD TAKE DAYS OFF THE CALENDAR IN ORDER TO AVOID A VOTE ON THIS AGAIN.
[00:19:11] IF YOU REMEMBER A YEAR AGO WE
[00:19:15] HAD THE EPSTEIN RECESS I CALL IT.
[00:19:18] MY COLLEAGUE RO KHANNA AND I HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT COLLECTING NAMES.
[00:19:21] WE WERE TO SIGNATURE SHORT OF
[00:19:25] 218 ON A DISCHARGE PETITION. IN THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS BODY
[00:19:29] RECESSED THIS BODY FOR WEEKS TO
[00:19:32] AVOID SWEARING IN ONE MEMBER THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE 218TH VOTE.
[00:19:38] I WAS HERE, I WAS READY TO WORK,
[00:19:42] A FULLY PARTICIPATING MEMBER OF CONGRESS.
[00:19:46] WELL, THE SPEAKERS SAW OTHERWISE
[00:19:49] THE LEADERSHIP SAW OTHERWISE, CAP CONGRESS SHUT DOWN FOR WEEKS.
[00:19:55] HOST: REPRESENT OF THOMAS MASSIE OF KENTUCKY. THE DECISION TO SEND LAWMAKERS
[00:19:59] HOME EARLY HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN A
[00:20:03] THORN IN THE REPUBLICAN SIDE THROUGHOUT THE SESSION OF CONGRESS.
[00:20:07] SUSAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA, GOOD MORNING.
[00:20:11] HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
[00:20:13] CALLER: I WOULD GIVE THE
[00:20:17] REPUBLICANS DEFINITELY AN F, THEY HAVEN'T DONE MUCH FOR THE
[00:20:21] MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN SINCE THEY COME TO OFFICE.
[00:20:24] THEY HAVE NO GUARD RAILS FOR THE PRESIDENT HE JUST DOES WHATEVER
[00:20:27] HE WANTS AND TAKE ANOTHER RECESS
[00:20:32] WHEN HE'S ON -- HEGSETH IS ON
[00:20:33] THE BLOCK, IT'S JUST PATHETIC.
[00:20:37] HOPEFULLY AFTER THAT HE GETS OUT TO VOTE AND UNDERSTANDS THAT
[00:20:40] WITH REPUBLICANS IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS, AND NOBODY CAN GET
[00:20:44] ANYTHING DONE FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.
[00:20:45] HOST: SUSAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA.
[00:20:50] A DEMOCRAT. DAVID FROM LOUISIANA, AN
[00:20:53] INDEPENDENT, GOOD MORNING.
[00:20:55] CALLER: YES MA'AM I WOULD GO TO
[00:20:59] THE END OF THE ALPHABET.
[00:21:02] ON PROBABLY -- I AM PROBABLY LIVING PROOF.
[00:21:07] I'VE LIVING IN LOUISIANA WE HAD PROBLEMS FOR YEARS.
[00:21:13] SO AS FAR AS CONGRESS GOES, IT'S
[00:21:16] PRETTY MUCH A SCAM.
[00:21:19] DONALD TRUMP IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST FAILURES WE'VE EVER SEEN.
[00:21:23] THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
[00:21:23] HOST: DALE FROM NORTH CAROLINA
[00:21:28] REPUBLICAN GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS CONGRESS.
[00:21:35] CALLER: LET'S JUST SAY FOR
[00:21:38] INSTANCE WE GIVE THEM ALL AN F
[00:21:42] AND ELECT DEMOCRATS LET'S JUST SAY THAT. LET'S NOT HAVE THE BORDERS
[00:21:47] OVERRUN, LET'S LET A 25 MORE MILLION PEOPLE IN THERE.
[00:21:52] LET'S LET THEM DICTATE WHO WINS OUR ELECTIONS.
[00:21:55] IT DON'T MATTER WHAT THE TRUMP
[00:21:57] ADMINISTRATION DOES, THE MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA IS NOT
[00:22:01] GOING TO COVER IT. ALL THE GOOD THEY JUST BRING OUT
[00:22:05] THE NEGATIVE. IT JUST BLOWS MY MIND.
[00:22:08] LET'S ABORT BABIES UP TO THE TIME THE TWO MONTHS OLD.
[00:22:12] YOU SEE THESE DEMOCRATS ARE BRAIN-DEAD. PEOPLE WAKE UP.
[00:22:16] WAKE UP.
[00:22:17] HOST: I'M TO ASK YOU AGAIN WHAT WOULD YOU GRADE THIS CONGRESS.
[00:22:23] CALLER: THEY'RE DONE A LOT OF
[00:22:26] GOOD STUFF BUT YOU NEVER HEAR IT IF YOU WATCH CNN OR MS NOW ARE
[00:22:29] ALL THIS OTHER CROP.
[00:22:31] ALL THE JOBS ARE BROUGHT BACK
[00:22:34] HERE ALL THE MILLIONS. HOST: REAL PLAYER HIM CLIP BY
[00:22:37] MIKE FLOOD WHERE HE TOUTS THE
[00:22:42] ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE CONGRESS. I JUST WANT TO DRILL DOWN COULD YOU GIVE ME A LETTER OR A
[00:22:46] NUMBER, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK?
[00:22:47] CALLER: WELL -- I LIKE YOU ON
[00:22:52] THIS PROGRAM I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WILL TELL THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.
[00:22:55] IF YOU LIKE THE WAY THINGS GO NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
[00:23:01] YOU VOTE DEMOCRAT YOU PUT THEM BACK IN THEIR. YOU THINK THE BORDERS ARE
[00:23:07] OVERRUN IN THE BODY ADMINISTRATION WAS THERE YOU
[00:23:10] JUST WAIT AND SEE IF THEY DO PUT THEM BACK IN OFFICE WAIT AND SEE.
[00:23:14] WHAT HAPPENS. IT WILL BE CHAOS ALL OVER AGAIN.
[00:23:18] HOST: LET'S TURN TO MIKE FLOOD
[00:23:21] WHO WAS ON C-SPAN EARLIER THIS WEEK TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE
[00:23:26] HOUSE GOP IS THE SESSION. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:23:28] >> WE HAVE GOT A LOT DONE.
[00:23:33] IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CONGRESS WOULD PASS LARGEST TAX CUT IN
[00:23:36] AMERICAN HISTORY. WE SAY THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER
[00:23:40] WITH THE EXEMPTION OF FEDERAL ESTATE TAXES.
[00:23:43] WE INCREASED LOW INCOME TAX CREDITS.
[00:23:46] AND WE PASSED THE MOST SWEEPING HOUSE LEGISLATION AND 36 YEARS.
[00:23:50] AND THE ONE THING NOBODY TALKS ABOUT WITH THE DEMOCRATS NOT
[00:23:53] ONLY IN HOUSING WE PASSED 11.5
[00:23:56] OF THE 12 APPROPRIATIONS BILLS 60 VOTES.
[00:24:01] THAT HASN'T HAPPENED SINCE 2017. SO THERE'S REAL RESULTS THERE.
[00:24:06] WE WILL BE PRODUCTIVE.
[00:24:08] IF THE HOUSE FALLS IN THE HANDS OF DEMOCRATS WE WILL NOT BE
[00:24:12] PRODUCTIVE BECAUSE THEIR FOCUS WILL BE ON DONALD TRUMP EVERY DAY.
[00:24:15] IT WILL NOT BE ABOUT MOVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FORWARD.
[00:24:18] IT WILL BE FOCUSING ON TAKING THEM DOWN INVESTIGATING THE
[00:24:22] FAMILY DOING ALL THESE THINGS THE OTHER PARTY DOES WHEN THEY ARE IN POWER.
[00:24:26] WHAT IS THEIR PLAN? WHAT ARE THEY UP FOR?
[00:24:29] WHAT BILLS DO THEY WANT TO PASS. DO YOU KNOW? I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY BILLS
[00:24:32] THEY WANT TO PASS. DO THEY HAVE A PLAN ON TAXES,
[00:24:35] THE DEBT, WHAT IS THEIR PLAN?
[00:24:37] HOST: THAT'S NEBRASKA REPUBLICAN
[00:24:42] MIKE FLOOD ON WASHINGTON JOURNAL EARLY THIS WEEK TALKING ABOUT
[00:24:45] THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT THE GOP HAS PASSED SOME BILLS IN TANDEM
[00:24:49] WITH DEMOCRATS AND WE ARE ASKING YOU THIS MORNING HOW WOULD YOU
[00:24:53] GRADE CONGRESS. PEGGY FROM DICKINSON, TEXAS A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING.
[00:24:57] HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS? CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[00:25:03] THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON THIS MORNING.
[00:25:08] I WOULD RATE THE CONGRESS I
[00:25:11] WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE THEM AN F
[00:25:16] BECAUSE THEY ARE RUN PRIMARILY BY THE REPUBLICANS.
[00:25:20] THEY HAVE NO REGARDS TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.
[00:25:24] THEY ARE MORE DEDICATED TO
[00:25:25] PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I FEEL THAT
[00:25:28] OUR PRESIDENT HAS BEEN A ONE MAN
[00:25:30] WRECKING BALL FOR OUR COUNTRY.
[00:25:34] HOST: ANDREW FROM NEW JERSEY AND
[00:25:39] INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING ANDREW.
[00:25:40] >> YES GOOD MORNING.
[00:25:44] THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. I WOULD GIVE CONGRESS I HAVE
[00:25:48] ALWAYS GIVEN THEM A FAILING
[00:25:51] GRADE BECAUSE I URGE EVERYBODY
[00:25:55] IN THIS COUNTRY TO READ A BOOK
[00:25:57] BY WILLIAM GLIDER, THE BETRAYAL
[00:26:03] OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.
[00:26:07] CONGRESS HAS A TWO-YEAR TERM.
[00:26:10] ONE YEAR THEY LEGISLATE.
[00:26:14] THE SECOND YEAR THEY RUN FOR REELECTION. THERE'S TOO MUCH MONEY IN
[00:26:18] POLITICS, THEY DO NOT REPRESENT
[00:26:21] THE AMERICAN PUBLIC LIKE PEOPLE THINK THEY DO.
[00:26:25] AND, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE
[00:26:28] HAVE TO HOLD THESE INDIVIDUALS ACCOUNTABLE.
[00:26:31] THEY DON'T COME HOME TO TOWN HALL MEETINGS BECAUSE MY
[00:26:36] CONGRESSMAN WHEN HE WAS A
[00:26:38] FRESHMAN WAS ALWAYS AVAILABLE. THE LONGER HE STAYED IN WASHINGTON.
[00:26:42] HOST: WHO'S YOUR CONGRESSMAN?
[00:26:44] CALLER: HE WAS FRANK PALLONE L.A. OF CHRIS SMITH.
[00:26:50] WITH THE REDISTRICTING.
[00:26:53] BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO COMPARE.
[00:26:57] ONLY AT REELECTION TIME WHEN
[00:26:58] THEY SAY VOTE FOR ME, I'LL SET
[00:27:02] YOU FREE. BUT WHAT HAVE THEY BROUGHT TO
[00:27:06] THE TABLE FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. SOCIAL SECURITY THEY'RE SAYING
[00:27:10] IS GOING TO BE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY BY 2032.
[00:27:15] THE ONLY REASONS CAN RUN OUT OF
[00:27:18] MONEY BECAUSE THEY BEEN PUTTING IOUS IN THE BOX.
[00:27:22] THEY BETRAYED THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
[00:27:24] NOW MEDICARE WHICH WAS ENACTED
[00:27:28] IN 1965 A LOT OF SENIORS DEPEND
[00:27:32] ON MEDICARE FOR HOSPITALIZATION.
[00:27:35] BUT NOW THEY WANT TO RAISE THE
[00:27:38] PREMIUMS OF MEDICARE. WHY?
[00:27:40] HOST: LET ME ASK YOU ANDREW YOU SAID YOU WOULD GIVE THEM A
[00:27:43] FAILING GRADE. HE SAID THEY ALWAYS GIVE THEM A
[00:27:47] FAILING GRADE. THAT APPLIES BOTH WHEN DEMOCRATS ARE IN CHARGE AND REPUBLICANS
[00:27:51] ARE IN CHARGE. CALLER: WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW
[00:27:55] IS PLAYING THE BLAME GAME.
[00:27:57] THE DEMOCRATS HAVE LOST THEIR
[00:28:00] WAY, THE REPUBLICANS OF LOST THEIR WAY. THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU DON'T
[00:28:03] HAVE A THIRD PARTY IS THEY DON'T
[00:28:08] HAVE THE MONEY TO COMPETE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND
[00:28:10] REPUBLICAN PARTY AGAINST DARK
[00:28:13] MONEY WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S
[00:28:14] COMING FROM AND THESE ADS THESE
[00:28:18] 32ND ADS ON TV THIS IS THE
[00:28:22] SEASON OF POLITICS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT TELLING ME ANYTHING
[00:28:26] THEY'RE NOT TELLING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ANYTHING.
[00:28:27] HOST: THAT IS ANDREW FROM NEW
[00:28:32] JERSEY. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BIPARTISAN
[00:28:34] SENATORS QUOTED IN THAT WALL STREET JOURNAL ARTICLE WE READ
[00:28:38] EARLIER HE SAYS HOW YOU MEASURE PRODUCTIVITY OF CONGRESS IS
[00:28:41] TRULY ALL OVER THE PLACE. SOME OF THE METRICS OF THE
[00:28:45] CURRENT CONGRESS IS WITHIN AVERAGE OF ALL THE CONGRESS IS
[00:28:49] THAT'S NOT AN OUTLIER BY ANY MEANS.
[00:28:52] LOOKING AT ANOTHER METRIC OF HOW
[00:28:55] YOU MEASURE PRODUCTIVITY OF CONGRESS. WE ARE ASKING YOU GUYS WHAT YOU
[00:28:58] WOULD RATE CONGRESS NOW BUT
[00:29:02] REPRESENTATIVES HAVE BEEN DISMISSED EARLY AND ARE NOT EXPECTED TO RETURN TO WASHINGTON
[00:29:06] UNTIL AFTER THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS. DAN FROM OHIO A REPUBLICAN GOOD
[00:29:10] MORNING.
[00:29:10] CALLER: OK YEAH I WOULD GIVE
[00:29:15] THEM A LOW GRADE ALSO, BUT THE REASON WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT
[00:29:19] DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHEN DONALD TRUMP CAME INTO OFFICE, EVERY
[00:29:24] DEMOCRAT OFFICEHOLDER OTHER THAN JOHN FETTERMAN, EVERY SINGLE ONE
[00:29:28] OF THEM SAID I WILL JUST RESIST
[00:29:34] TRUMP EVEN ON ISSUES WHICH IS
[00:29:39] ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, EVEN ON ISSUES THAT THE DEMOCRATS WERE
[00:29:42] FOR PREVIOUSLY NOW BECAUSE
[00:29:46] DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT IT'S OK FOR IRAN TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
[00:29:52] WHEN -- IN THE WORDS OF JOHN FETTERMAN HE SAID EVERY SINGLE
[00:29:57] DEMOCRAT IN THE PAST HAS
[00:30:00] EXPRESSED THAT IRAN CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
[00:30:04] AND NOW WHEN SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT
[00:30:08] IT?
[00:30:10] NOW -- THEY'RE AGAINST IT.
[00:30:14] YOU KNOW IF THE DEMOCRATS GET IN
[00:30:17] AND CONTROL CONGRESS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OPEN BORDERS AGAIN
[00:30:20] LIKE WE HAD BEFORE OF COURSE
[00:30:23] WONDERING TRUMPS ADMINISTRATION, BUT IF YOU LET THE DEMOCRATS
[00:30:26] BACK IN POWER THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO.
[00:30:30] THEY -- THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS
[00:30:32] WHICH WILL SPEND ALL THE TIME INVESTIGATING TRUMP LIKE THEY'VE
[00:30:35] DONE BEFORE WITH THESE ACTUALLY
[00:30:40] THEIR PHONY INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, OUT OF IT BECAUSE IT'S ALL MADE
[00:30:44] UP.
[00:30:46] WHEN THEY INVESTIGATED TRUMP AND
[00:30:49] THEY SAID HOW HE HAD RUSSIAN
[00:30:52] CONNECTIONS AND ALL THIS IT WAS BS.
[00:30:55] IT WAS ALL LIES AND IT'S WHAT
[00:30:56] THEY'RE DOING NOW RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION, LYING ABOUT
[00:31:00] EVERYTHING. THE REASON THE CONGRESS IS BAD
[00:31:04] IS BECAUSE ALL THEY DID IS RESIST.
[00:31:07] THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PLAN AT ALL WHAT THEY'LL DO
[00:31:10] OTHER THAN SPEND ALL THEIR TIME
[00:31:13] INVESTIGATING DONALD TRUMP.
[00:31:16] WE WE COULD MOVE FORWARD IN THIS
[00:31:19] COUNTRY IF WE GIVE TRUMP THE
[00:31:20] TOOLS THAT HE NEEDS, A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS DEMOCRATIC
[00:31:25] SENATE AND STOP ALL THIS
[00:31:27] RIDICULOUS RESISTING, PUSH THIS
[00:31:30] COUNTRY FORWARD AND WERE REALLY
[00:31:32] GOING BACKWARD BACK TO THE DEMOCRATS.
[00:31:35] HOST: THAT IS DAN A REPUBLICAN FROM OHIO.
[00:31:40] NORTH CAROLINA, JENNY A DEMOCRAT. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[00:31:43] HOST: WHAT GRADE WOULD YOU GIVE CONGRESS?
[00:31:47] CALLER: WELL I WOULD HAVE TO BE
[00:31:50] HONEST AND GIVE THEM AN F
[00:31:54] BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE COME UP
[00:31:55] WITH A COURSE OF THIS LIKE THIS
[00:32:02] IMPEACHMENT THEY WANT TO GET RID OF HIM.
[00:32:04] THEY WANT -- THEY WENT HOME AND
[00:32:08] TOOK A BREAK. THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT.
[00:32:12] THE -- PRESIDENT AND HIS
[00:32:18] CONNECTION WITH JEFFREY THAT.
[00:32:25] THAT'S THINGS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW.
[00:32:30] THE PRESIDENT IN IRAQ AND IRAN
[00:32:36] WHAT DID HE DO THERE. THE PRICE OF GAS AND OIL RIGHT NOW.
[00:32:41] SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE TO GO OUT
[00:32:42] OF BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE DIESEL PRICE.
[00:32:48] DONALD TRUMP IS THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THIS COUNTRY.
[00:32:53] A LOT OF CALLS WILL DISAGREE WITH ME. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
[00:32:58] IN THE TRUTH IS THE WORST THING THAT COULD'VE HAPPENED TO US.
[00:33:01] HE'S DOING EVERYTHING HE CAN,
[00:33:03] EVERYTHING THAT HE CAN TO MAKE
[00:33:07] SURE THAT THE EPSTEIN QUESTION STAYS IN THE BACKGROUND.
[00:33:10] HOST: JIMMY FROM NORTH CAROLINA
[00:33:15] ON -- A DEMOCRAT. WE HEARD FROM RICHARD IN LAS VEGAS WHO SAID I WOULD GIVE
[00:33:19] CONGRESS A B.
[00:33:24] WHAT PUZZLES ME IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT A SMALLER NUMBER
[00:33:26] OF BILLS PASSED IS A BAD THING. SOME OF US BELIEVE IN SMALLER
[00:33:31] GOVERNMENT THAT'S RICHARD FROM LAS VEGAS.
[00:33:33] JEAN FROM VIRGINIA, A REPUBLICAN
[00:33:37] GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
[00:33:39] CALLER: I SENT A TEXT TO MY
[00:33:45] REPRESENTATIVE HERE IN VIRGINIA
[00:33:46] IN MY DISTRICT NOW THAT THE DUTY
[00:33:51] IS DONE IN WASHINGTON DC WHAT
[00:33:54] CAN WE AS HIS CONSTITUENTS EXPECT TO SEE HIM IN THE OFFICE
[00:33:58] HERE IN HIS DISTRICT EVERY DAY.
[00:34:03] TO REPRESENT US EVERY DAY AND
[00:34:04] LET US KNOW HIS OFFICE HOURS.
[00:34:07] IN MY OPINION I THINK THE FULLY
[00:34:13] INVESTED FOR FIVE YEARS TO 10 YEARS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED FOR THEM TO BE FULLY INVESTED.
[00:34:17] I'M REALLY YOU'VE GOT THEY'RE
[00:34:22] NOT DOING ANYTHING.
[00:34:25] WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO EARN YOUR PAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO
[00:34:28] REALLY REPRESENT. I THINK THEY DO A LOT OF PHOTO
[00:34:31] OPS AND THAT SOMETHING WITH WHITMAN.
[00:34:36] HE HAS THAT WITH THE VETERANS.
[00:34:41] I'VE YET TO EVEN HAVE WHITMAN TO SEE ME ABOUT SOME ISSUES I'VE
[00:34:45] HAD WITH HEALTH CARE WITH TRYING TO GET MY DISABILITY RATING.
[00:34:51] YOU HAVE CHRONIC CONDITIONS REPORTED DIRECTLY RETIRED WITH
[00:34:55] THEM AND YOU CANNOT GET YOUR RATING.
[00:34:59] YOU RETIRE WITH THAT ON YOUR
[00:35:01] RECORD AND IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO
[00:35:05] EVEN GET A RESPONSE FROM ONE OF
[00:35:08] HIS CLERKS THEY ARE IN THE OFFICE.
[00:35:11] NOT BEING VISIBLE NOT BEING ACCOUNTED.
[00:35:13] I OFTEN WONDER MAYBE WE REALLY
[00:35:16] NEED TO LOOK AT CONGRESS AND THE NUMBER REPRESENT AS WE HAVE IN
[00:35:20] CONGRESS AND REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
[00:35:25] HOST: JEAN FROM VIRGINIA
[00:35:30] REPUBLICAN. LISA FROM OHIO A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING WHAT WOULD YOU RATE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
[00:35:34] CALLER: BORN IN 1960 IN OHIO.
[00:35:40] I HAVE LIVED THROUGH THE LAST 60 PLUS YEARS.
[00:35:42] WE HAVE SEEN THE CHANGE FROM MANUFACTURING TO THE FINANCIAL
[00:35:46] -- FINANCIALS AGE AND OF THE ECONOMY IN THE 80'S AND THE
[00:35:50] BEGINNING OF EXTREME SUPPLY ECONOMICS WHICH IS WHY THE BIG
[00:35:53] BEAUTIFUL BILL IS IMPACTING OUR YIELD RATES.
[00:35:59] SO TALK ABOUT THE GOP THEY GET A
[00:36:03] FAILURE FOR THE DON'T WANT TO GOVERN.
[00:36:04] THEY PUT OUT THIS INFORMATION TO
[00:36:09] GASLIGHT US THERE'S NO CHECK ON POWER.
[00:36:11] THEY HAVE NOT CHECKED TRUMP ONCE IN CONGRESS.
[00:36:15] UNDER OBAMA WE HAD THE GANG OF
[00:36:17] EIGHT IMMIGRATION BILL THAT JOHN
[00:36:20] BOEHNER IS NOT TO BRING TO THE FLOOR TO GIVE HIM A WIN BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION.
[00:36:26] SAME THING DON'T ANYONE TALK TO ME ABOUT THE BORDER.
[00:36:29] OBAMA DEPORTED MORE PEOPLE AT
[00:36:32] 40% OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE CRIMINALS.
[00:36:35] UNLIKE TRUMP 5% PUTTING MONEY IN
[00:36:36] PRIVATE PRISONS FOR DETENTION
[00:36:39] CENTERS THAT WERE ALL PAYING FOR .
[00:36:42] PLEASE DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT IMMIGRATION. IF NOTHING BUT FEAR MONGERING OF
[00:36:47] IMMIGRANTS. I'M SORRY FOLKS MIGRATION AND
[00:36:51] THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY AND ALL
[00:36:53] THE EGOS OF PUTIN, TRUMP, ISRAEL
[00:37:01] , THEY ARE CAUSING EVERY PROBLEM.
[00:37:04] TRUMP IS DESTROYING EVERY INSTITUTION, A RULE OF LAW,
[00:37:08] EVERY NORM AND THESE PEOPLE IN SILOS AND LISTEN TO
[00:37:13] DISINFORMATION AND PROPAGANDA. LET'S DEAL WITH REALITY HERE.
[00:37:14] HOST: JOHN FROM CALIFORNIA, AN
[00:37:20] INDEPENDENT GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU GRADE CONGRESS THIS SESSION?
[00:37:23] CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[00:37:27] IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.
[00:37:29] I WOULD GIVE IT AN F.
[00:37:32] IT'S NOTHING BUT A LAPTOP FOR DONALD TRUMP AND MIKE JOHNSON.
[00:37:36] MIKE JOHNSON IS JUST AN EXCUSE
[00:37:39] FOR ITS AMOUNT OF TIME. AND HASN'T BEEN IN CONGRESS VERY LONG.
[00:37:45] WHAT BLOWS MY MIND IS THAT
[00:37:47] CONGRESS IS NOTHING BUT A RUBBER STAMP OR DONALD TRUMP.
[00:37:51] THERE IS NO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF
[00:37:56] TRADERS BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS JUST FAILED TO OBEY THEIR
[00:38:00] CONSTITUTIONAL DEPEND -- DEFEND AND PROTECT OUR CONSTITUTION.
[00:38:05] SO I GIVE THEM A BIG F AND I
[00:38:07] CANNOT WAIT UNTIL THE NOVEMBER
[00:38:11] THIRD ELECTIONS SO THAT WE CAN CHANGE A BUNCH OF STUFF AND TRY
[00:38:16] TO SET THIS SUPER CORRUPT WHEEL
[00:38:20] IN THE RIGHT PATH AGAIN.
[00:38:25] HOST: JORDAN FROM LAKEWOOD HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS CONGRESS?
[00:38:29] CALLER: I THINK YOU LOOK FOR
[00:38:34] POINTS AND HOW YOU GRADE CONGRESS.
[00:38:36] AND I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE
[00:38:39] ECONOMY THEY GET A B BECAUSE YOU
[00:38:42] LOOK AT THE ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL ACT.
[00:38:45] NO TAX ON TIPS, THAT'S A HUGE THING.
[00:38:52] NUMBER TWO I LOOK AT IMMIGRATION. AND THEY'VE DONE VERY WELL.
[00:38:58] MY UNCLE WAS A PROFESSOR AT PENN STATE.
[00:39:01] WHEN HE SAID THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE
[00:39:07] CAN GET. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
[00:39:09] AND I THINK THAT RINGS TRUE.
[00:39:17] HOST: OK?
[00:39:19] SO WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER TWO HE SAID ECONOMY AND IMMIGRATION WHAT ELSE.
[00:39:25] I THINK HE HUNG UP THERE. CARMEN FROM FLORIDA A DEMOCRAT
[00:39:29] GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS
[00:39:33] CONGRESS?
[00:39:37] CALLER: I'D GIVE THEM A DON'T
[00:39:41] KNOW AN E PLUS, A D.
[00:39:45] I FEEL IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CONGRESS THAT WANT TO DO THE
[00:39:50] RIGHT THING. AND THEY ARE BEING BLOCKED BY
[00:39:54] THE MAJORITY. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE REPUBLICAN VOTER OUT THERE.
[00:39:59] THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE
[00:40:03] THIS SKI SEEMS TO BE GOING ON.
[00:40:05] I DON'T KNOW HOW MIKE JOHNSON SLEEPS AT NIGHT.
[00:40:10] SUPPOSEDLY A CHRISTIAN. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW HE DOES IT.
[00:40:14] THEY'RE NOT EVEN AT WORK.
[00:40:16] AND WERE GIVING THEM SO MUCH
[00:40:21] MONEY THEY HAVE SO MUCH HEALTH CARE THEY HAVE SO MUCH THEY'RE
[00:40:24] ABLE TO GET STOCK MARKET TRADING. IT IS RIDICULOUS WITH THE
[00:40:28] CORRUPTION. I THINK WE NEED TO GET MONEY OUT
[00:40:32] OF POLITICS.
[00:40:34] SO YOU HAVE CONGRESS OUT NOW.
[00:40:37] YOU HAVE CORPORATE PEOPLE, OUR
[00:40:41] CONGRESSPEOPLE ARE NOT MAKING THE DECISIONS. THE CORPORATE PEOPLE ARE.
[00:40:44] THEY'RE TWEAKING ALL THE BILLS THAT THEY DO. IN FAVOR FOR THEM.
[00:40:48] SO THEY DID DO A COUPLE THINGS GOOD. .
[00:40:51] HOST: WHAT IS THIS CONGRESS DONE
[00:40:55] LED BY REPUBLICANS THAT YOU LIKE. >> THAT I LIKE?
[00:41:09] HERE'S MY NEXT RESPONSE. THE BAD STUFF THAT THEY DID IS
[00:41:12] SO OVERWHELMING.
[00:41:14] THEIR JOB IS TO KEEP THE
[00:41:19] PRESIDENCY IN CONTROL OF THE
[00:41:20] FLOW OF THE PRESIDENT THE COURT
[00:41:24] AND THE CONGRESS. IT'S A THREE BRANCH PARTY HERE.
[00:41:27] AND THEY'RE JUST ALLOWING THE
[00:41:29] PRESIDENCY TO BE OVERRUN. THE CORRUPTION IS RUNNING
[00:41:34] RAMPANT. ONE BLESSING BEFORE YOU HANG UP ON ME.
[00:41:37] I AM BLOWN AWAY THAT THEY ARE
[00:41:41] STOPPING CNN AND POLITICO I
[00:41:44] DON'T LISTEN TO AN MS NOW OUT OF
[00:41:46] ALL OF THIS WHEN IN REALITY THEY
[00:41:49] ARE THE ONES PROBABLY FACT CHECKING THEIR INFORMATION AND
[00:41:53] THE REPUBLICANS ARE HEARING ALL THESE LIES SO WHEN HE SAYS IT'S
[00:41:55] FAKE NEWS, IT'S THE OPPOSITE, HE
[00:42:00] FLIPPED IT AROUND. EVERYTHING THAT HE CLAIMS THE
[00:42:03] DEMOCRATS ARE DOING THEY ARE DOING THEMSELVES.
[00:42:05] HOST: LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO
[00:42:11] REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FROM
[00:42:13] INDIANA WHO IN SPEAKING TO
[00:42:16] WASHINGTON JOURNAL EARLY THIS WEEK WAS TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS OF DONE ON THE
[00:42:20] ECONOMY PARTICULARLY WITH A
[00:42:22] FOCUS ON DATA ENERGY, DATA CENTERS AND ENERGY COSTS. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:42:26] >> I SUPPORT THAT PARTICULAR
[00:42:30] BILL AND ONE THING WE DO KNOW WERE ALL GUILTY OF IT AS
[00:42:34] CONSUMERS IF YOU HAVE A SMART PHONE AND YOU HAVE AN APPLE
[00:42:38] PHONE OR AN ANDROID, SO MUCH OF
[00:42:42] OUR SYSTEM IS RUN ON THESE DATA CENTERS.
[00:42:44] WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PROCESSORS ON THE BACKSIDE OF OUR PHONES ANYMORE.
[00:42:50] IT IS ALL GOING BACK TO A CLOUD
[00:42:53] SYSTEM TO THESE DATA CENTERS INTO TAKES A LOT OF ENERGY.
[00:42:56] WE SAW THAT IN INDIANA WHERE
[00:42:58] THERE IS A LARGE GOOGLE FACILITY
[00:43:01] THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE RATES GOING UP. BECAUSE OF THE USAGE.
[00:43:07] THE GOVERNOR IN INDIANA AND
[00:43:08] OTHERS SAYING IF YOU'RE GOING TO MANUFACTURE A DATA CENTER YOU
[00:43:13] HAVE TO PROVIDE YOUR OWN ELECTRICITY AND WHAT GOOGLE
[00:43:16] OFFICIALS TOLD ME WAS THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO BUILD OUT NEW
[00:43:20] PRODUCTION, A NEW ENERGY PRODUCTION FOR THEIR FACILITY
[00:43:23] AND ALSO PUT IT BACK ON THE GRID TO KEEP RATES DOWN.
[00:43:27] THIS CAN BE A NET POSITIVE FOR RATEPAYERS AND CONSUMERS WITH
[00:43:31] MORE ENERGY PRODUCTION. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN SAYING FOR A LONG TIME IS THAT
[00:43:36] WE NEED TO EXPAND PRODUCTION AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO
[00:43:39] NUCLEAR AND MODULAR REACTORS
[00:43:42] THAT TECHNOLOGY IS VERY CLOSE,
[00:43:45] PERMITS BEING FILED WITH THE
[00:43:46] FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO INSTALL
[00:43:50] SMALL MODULAR REACTORS. THAT WILL HELP BRING ON MORE
[00:43:52] ENERGY TO THE GRID THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF US.
[00:43:55] HOST: INDIANA REPUBLICAN MARLIN
[00:44:00] STUTZMAN TALKING ABOUT THE RATEPAYER PROTECTION ACT. THE BILL PROPOSED IN CONGRESS
[00:44:04] WOULD MANDATE DATA CENTERS PAY
[00:44:08] IN TWO FACILITIES IN THE GRID
[00:44:11] NETWORKS ACROSS THE DATA
[00:44:15] CENTERS.
[00:44:18] GOOD MORNING JOHN.
[00:44:20] I WONDER HOW YOU WOULD GRADE THIS SO FAR.
[00:44:23] CALLER: I WOULD GIVE THEM AN A.
[00:44:27] I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. THEY CASHED THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL.
[00:44:32] MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS THE HIGHEST IT'S EVER BEEN.
[00:44:35] CHILD POVERTY IS THE LOWEST IT'S EVER BEEN. GEEZ I DON'T HEAR ABOUT THAT MUCH FROM YOU GUYS.
[00:44:39] I HEARD ABOUT IN BIDEN'S IN CHARGE AND THINGS WERE GOING BAD
[00:44:43] THAT WERE DOING BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD. WELL GUESS WHAT WERE DOING
[00:44:47] BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD RIGHT NOW AND I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
[00:44:50] OUR INTEREST RATES ARE LOWER OUR GDP IS HIGHER. SO WHO'S DOING BETTER THAN US?
[00:44:56] PLUS I HEAR ABOUT HOW OBAMA I
[00:44:59] MEAN TRUMP IN IRAQ AND IT'S COSTING US MONEY.
[00:45:03] WHAT HAPPENED WHEN OBAMA BOUND FOR EIGHT STRAIGHT MONTHS.
[00:45:07] DID THAT DEPLETE OUR ARMS? I DON'T THINK SO RIGHT FOR YOU
[00:45:11] GUYS DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
[00:45:14] AND WHAT HE DID FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS NOW WE'VE BEEN IN
[00:45:17] THIS WAR FOR TWO MONTHS. HOST: LET ME REDIRECT YOU TO THE QUESTION.
[00:45:22] SO YOU WOULD GIVE CONGRESS IN A.
[00:45:25] ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS IN CONGRESS THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT YOU LIKE?
[00:45:28] CALLER: I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT
[00:45:31] THEY'VE DONE BUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE FIGHTING WE DON'T HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY.
[00:45:35] THE LEFT-WING HAD A SUPER MAJORITY DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
[00:45:39] THEY PASSED OBAMACARE WHICH
[00:45:41] SCREWED EVERYBODY IN THE PRICE OF HEALTH CARE WENT UP 100 50%
[00:45:45] AND THERE BUT IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ONE
[00:45:48] REPUBLICAN VOTE SO WHEN THEY LEFT POWER.
[00:45:51] WE HAD SUPER MAJORITY EVER FOR
[00:45:55] THE REPUBLICANS SINCE BUSH DURING 9/11 SO SINCE WE DON'T
[00:45:59] HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY WE CAN JUST PUSH THINGS THROUGH SO I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU KEEP LETTING
[00:46:01] DEMOCRATS SAY YOU HAVE THE POWER
[00:46:04] YOU HAVE THE CHAMBERS, NO WE DON'T. SO CUT IT OUT. YOU GUYS TRY TO BE FAIR.
[00:46:12] CHANGING LIKE THEIR REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION.
[00:46:14] HOST: THE WASHINGTON SUN IS A
[00:46:17] REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION AND
[00:46:20] REPUBLICANS DO CONTROL BOTH THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE
[00:46:24] SENATE AND THE WHITE HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
[00:46:29] SUE B FROM WHINING NEW JERSEY. I WANT TO BASE THE GRADE OF
[00:46:33] CONGRESS ON THE DEBT CLOCK THAT IS THE NATIONAL DEBT I WOULD
[00:46:37] GIVE THEM AN F.
[00:46:40] BILLY FROM TEXAS SAYS I WOULD
[00:46:43] RATE THIS CONGRESS AN F BECAUSE
[00:46:46] THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO HELP THE ECONOMY.
[00:46:49] RANDY FROM WISCONSIN A REPUBLICAN GOOD MORNING, HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
[00:46:54] CALLER: REAL GOOD FOR THE
[00:46:59] REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO DO.
[00:47:02] GETTING A BIG KICK OUT OF THE DEMOCRATS CALLING IN GIVING IT
[00:47:04] AN F BECAUSE THEY'RE DEALING WITH THEIR OWN DEMOCRATIC PARTY
[00:47:07] AND F, HAHA.
[00:47:11] AND THIS EPSTEIN BILL. IT'S NOT GETTING RELEASED
[00:47:16] BECAUSE WE KNOW TRUMP IS NOT ON IT THEY'RE TRYING TO THINK THEY
[00:47:19] CAN GET SOMETHING ON TRUMP BUT
[00:47:21] 99% OF THE PEOPLE ON THAT WERE DEMOCRATS.
[00:47:25] IT'S NOT COMING OUT AND NEVER WILL COME OUT.
[00:47:28] AS FAR AS GAS PRICES, LIQUID JOE
[00:47:31] BIDEN FIVE DOLLARS A GALLON
[00:47:34] THREE QUARTERS OF THE RESERVE DOWN.
[00:47:38] AND THERE WAS NO WAR THERE WAS
[00:47:42] NOTHING. WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON
[00:47:44] C-SPAN IS WHY -- WHAT IF ONE OF
[00:47:50] THE THINGS THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE FOR?
[00:47:55] NOTHING. HAVE A GREAT DAY.
[00:47:57] HOST: GEORGE FROM TEXAS, A
[00:48:04] DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING GEORGE.
[00:48:08] WHAT GRADE WOULD YOU GIVE CONGRESS. CALLER: I WOULD RATE THIS
[00:48:13] CONGRESS AND ABSENT.
[00:48:14] THE REASON IS BECAUSE OF TARIFFS
[00:48:18] .
[00:48:19] THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH
[00:48:24] TARIFFS. THE TARIFFS DESTROYED MY JOB,
[00:48:27] THEY'VE BEEN ABSENT ON THE ECONOMY.
[00:48:29] WE'VE SEEN THE DEFICIT IN 18 MONTHS SPIKE OVER $3 TRILLION
[00:48:35] MORE WITH NO PLANS TO ATTACK THE DEFICIT.
[00:48:38] THEY SAID THEY WERE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE DEFICIT AND
[00:48:41] THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
[00:48:43] THE ELON MUSK WITH THE CHAINSAW
[00:48:46] BEEN THE CUT 500,000 JOBS IN THE GOVERNMENT.
[00:48:49] THEY WONDER WHY WE HAVE NO
[00:48:52] OVERSEAS POLICIES, NO EUROPE
[00:48:55] POLICIES WHILE THEY SLASHED HALF
[00:49:00] THE WORKFORCE OUT OF THE STATE.
[00:49:02] SO I WOULD JUST SAY THEY ARE
[00:49:05] ABSENT, THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING. ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT CALL IN
[00:49:10] AND SAY LOOK AT WHAT THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT WERE CAN HAPPEN WHEN DEMOCRATS GET IN
[00:49:15] CHARGE, WILL REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE IN THE STATE OF
[00:49:19] TEXAS FOR 30 YEARS AND THIS
[00:49:22] GOVERNOR HAS CLOSED 170 PUBLIC
[00:49:26] SCHOOLS.
[00:49:30] THEY DON'T DEFUND THE POLICE, EDUCATION.
[00:49:36] THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO
[00:49:38] IF YOU LEAVE THEM IN CONTROL THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY OUR
[00:49:42] EDUCATION SYSTEM.
[00:49:43] I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO SAY.
[00:49:46] EVERYBODY WHO CALLS IN AND SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE NETWORKS AND
[00:49:50] WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO THE NETWORKS AND DENYING ACCESS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
[00:49:54] WHAT WOULD YOU DO PEOPLE? DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
[00:49:58] LISTENING WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF
[00:49:59] THE PRESIDENT BARRED C-SPAN FROM
[00:50:04] PARTICIPATING OR C-SPAN ACCESS TO THE HOUSE, TO THE SENATE OR
[00:50:07] THE WHITE HOUSE? C-SPAN IS A TV NETWORK JUST LIKE
[00:50:11] ALL THOSE OTHER NETWORKS.
[00:50:12] WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THEY BARRED C-SPAN?
[00:50:16] THANKS FOR LISTENING AND TAKING MY CALL.
[00:50:17] HOST: JOHN FROM LOUISIANA, AN
[00:50:21] INDEPENDENT, HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS? CALLER: I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE
[00:50:24] THEM A B AND IT'S JUST AMAZING
[00:50:31] THAT THE MEDIA NEVER TALKED ABOUT INFLATION BEING 9% HUNTER
[00:50:36] BIDEN, EGGS COSTING OVER FIVE DOLLARS A DOZEN.
[00:50:41] THERE TWO DOLLARS A DOZEN NOW.
[00:50:44] THEY ARE JUST -- THEY DON'T
[00:50:48] REALIZE THAT BRINGING PRICES
[00:50:50] DOWN IS SO MUCH HARDER THAN --
[00:50:54] THE PRICE GOING UP. HOST: CAN I ASK WHY YOU WOULD
[00:50:57] GIVE CONGRESS A B? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THAT THEY
[00:51:01] LIKE. -- WHAT HAVE THEY DONE THAT YOU LIKED.
[00:51:05] CALLER: THE FACT THAT THEY
[00:51:09] AREN'T TRYING TO OVER REGULATE EVERYTHING.
[00:51:12] I'M AN INDEPENDENT, I BELIEVE IN
[00:51:14] SMALL GOVERNMENT AND IT'S JUST
[00:51:18] AMAZING, THIS LAST MANAGER SPOKE ABOUT VACATION.
[00:51:24] DO YOU REALIZE NEW YORK SPENDS
[00:51:27] $50,000 A YEAR PER CHILD IN
[00:51:29] PUBLIC SCHOOLS?
[00:51:33] IT'S NOT FUNDING ITS POLICIES,
[00:51:36] YOU HAVE TO PUT POLICIES TOGETHER THAT ACTUALLY EDUCATE THE CHILDREN.
[00:51:39] HOST: SO YOU LIKE THE LACK OF
[00:51:43] REGULATION PLUS THE WHITE HOUSE IS DONE.
[00:51:45] CALLER: ALLOW BUSINESS TO
[00:51:50] OPERATE ON ONE OTHER THING, THE
[00:51:51] FEDERAL RESERVE, THE LARGEST
[00:51:56] REASONS PRICES HAVE MAINTAINED AND BEEN CAP SO HIGH.
[00:52:01] PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO -- EVERY
[00:52:03] BUSINESS THEIR INVENTORY IS FINANCED SO WHEN YOU'RE PAYING
[00:52:07] DOUBLE THE INTEREST RATE OR TRIPLE THE INTEREST RATE THAT
[00:52:10] YOU USED TO PAY UNDER THE FIRST
[00:52:14] TO TRUMP THE INTEREST RATE WAS
[00:52:16] 2% NOW IT'S AT 6, 7, 8.
[00:52:22] YOU JUST DOUBLED THE PRICE OF EVERY PIECE OF INVENTORY.
[00:52:28] HOST: THANKS FOR CALLING IN.
[00:52:32] BRIAN FROM MICHIGAN, REPUBLICAN. I WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
[00:52:35] CALLER: THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS
[00:52:38] WAS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT ON.
[00:52:41] THE POINTS HE MADE WERE SALIENT
[00:52:43] AND VALID AND DESERVE SOME
[00:52:49] LOOKING INTO. SOME OF THESE OTHER CALLERS I'M
[00:52:52] UPSET WITH THE FACT THEY KEEP LOOKING IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR.
[00:52:55] BIDEN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT, TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT, THE BUCK STOPS HERE.
[00:53:00] THEY NEED TO QUIT WHINING ABOUT YESTERDAY AND LOOK TO TODAY AND
[00:53:05] TOMORROW AND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS WHITE HOUSE.
[00:53:12] BACK TO THE SUBJECT CONGRESS IS NONEXISTENT.
[00:53:16] I CAN TAKE OFF FOR MONTHS OF THE
[00:53:18] YEAR AND GET PAID.
[00:53:21] WHENEVER THEY PASS BOTH SIDES, CALLED IN THE REPUBLICAN LINE
[00:53:24] BUT SOON TO BE DEMOCRAT. IT'S RIDICULOUS WHAT THEY ALLOW
[00:53:27] THIS MAN TO GET AWAY WITH. I CANNOT WAIT TO VOTE FOR
[00:53:32] DEMOCRATS AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU TAKING MY CALL.
[00:53:36] PEOPLE NEED TO REALLY THINK
[00:53:36] ABOUT WHAT IT IS THEY SAY.
[00:53:40] THE FACTS ARE ALL AROUND THEM.
[00:53:41] HOST: I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT
[00:53:47] THE NEW YORK TIMES SIENA POLL WAS RELEASED ON SEPTEMBER 15 JUST A FEW DAYS AGO HERE.
[00:53:52] THE QUESTION IS REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU MIGHT VOTE PLEASE TELL
[00:53:55] ME WHICH PARTY YOU TRUST TO DO A
[00:53:57] BETTER JOB HANDLING EACH OF THE
[00:54:01] FOLLOWING. IT LISTS THINGS LIKE HEALTH
[00:54:04] CARE, THAT IS AND IT IS THE
[00:54:07] VOTERS TRUST DEMOCRATS MORE THAN REPUBLICANS ON KEY ISSUES.
[00:54:11] THAT IS INDEED PLUS 24 TOPIC BUT
[00:54:15] HIS LIST IT ON THIS.
[00:54:17] IMMIGRATION, 52% D+ PLUS SEVEN.
[00:54:20] THE DEFICIT 3% D PLUS 10.
[00:54:26] 51% D PLUS SEVEN. THAT IS A NEW YORK TIMES SIENA
[00:54:29] POLL THAT YOU CAN FIND.
[00:54:33] AGAIN, HERE IT IS VOTERS TRUST
[00:54:36] DEMOCRATS MORE THAN REPUBLICANS. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
[00:54:40] JUST TAKE A LOOK SINCE THE LAST
[00:54:42] CALLER MENTIONED THE ELECTION.
[00:54:46] THAT IS A KEY ISSUE HEADING IN
[00:54:50] TO NOVEMBER. FAYETTEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA DEMOCRAT, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING DOROTHY.
[00:54:56] WHAT WOULD YOU GRADE THIS CONGRESS?
[00:54:59] CALLER: WELL INTO PARTS.
[00:55:03] I WOULD GIVE THE REPUBLICANS
[00:55:05] EXCUSE ME, AN F AND IT WOULD
[00:55:08] GIVE THE DEMOCRATS AN A.
[00:55:12] THEY HAVE CONGRESS AND THEY AREN'T DOING ANYTHING FOR THE
[00:55:17] AMERICAN PEOPLE. EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE IN
[00:55:20] TATTERS. NOTHING IS COMPLETE.
[00:55:23] THEY ARE TRYING TO GET RID OF
[00:55:25] VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND I WOULD
[00:55:29] LOVE FOR THE PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT
[00:55:33] THIS SAVE AMERICA ACT IS MORE
[00:55:37] ABOUT ID. IT'S ABOUT A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER
[00:55:41] THINGS. AND THEY ARE THE ONES, THE
[00:55:43] REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONES DOING
[00:55:47] ALL THESE INVESTIGATIONS AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S
[00:55:50] WHAT THE DEMOCRATS WILL DO. I BELIEVE THAT THE DEMOCRATS
[00:55:53] WILL DO OVERSIGHT THAT'S WHAT
[00:55:55] THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT THE
[00:55:58] REPUBLICANS ARE JUST DOING ALL
[00:56:01] OF THESE UNNECESSARY INVESTIGATIONS. SO I WILL GIVE THE DEMOCRATS AN
[00:56:05] A BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING THEIR
[00:56:08] BEST TO HOLD UP THE CONGRESS AND
[00:56:11] THE REPUBLICANS ARE JUST CARRIE
[00:56:14] -- TEARING EVERYTHING APART FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, JUST EVERYTHING.
[00:56:18] HOST: WE HAVE TO GO TO BREAK NOW.
[00:56:22] I HAVE SAID IF THEY WERE TO
[00:56:25] RETURN TO POWER POLICE THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THEY WOULD
[00:56:28] LAUNCH A BEVY OF INVESTIGATIONS AGAINST THE TRUMP
[00:56:32] ADMINISTRATION. LATER THIS MORNING ON THE WASHINGTON JOURNAL AUTHOR LAW
[00:56:37] PROFESSOR AND LEGAL CORRESPONDENT KIM WHALEY
[00:56:40] DISCUSSES THE SUPREME COURT'S LATEST RULING ON MAIL-IN BALLOTS
[00:56:42] THE HEAD OF THE 2020 SIX MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
[00:56:46] IN JOINING US AFTER THE BREAK, ABUNDANCE INSTA BUTTE --
[00:56:50] INSTITUTE DISCUSSES EFFORTS IN WASHINGTON ON AI OVERSIGHT AND
[00:56:53] HOW LEGISLATION COULD IMPACT THE U.S. DOMINANCE OF THE INDUSTRY.
[00:56:57] STAY WITH US.
[00:57:03] >> YOU ARE WATCHING C-SPAN.
[00:57:08] DEMOCRACY UNFILTERED.
[00:57:11] >> YOU LOOK BACK ON WHAT YOU'VE
[00:57:15] ACHIEVED IN YOUR LIFE, WHAT MAKES YOU THE HAPPIEST OF WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED SO FAR?
[00:57:19] >> THIS INTERVIEW WAS THE APEX.
[00:57:21] >> HOW COME HE DIDN'T HAVE A WAY?
[00:57:25] >> PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID I MADE A
[00:57:29] MISTAKE >> THE FIRST TIME. >>>> THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.
[00:57:31] >> YOUR FIRST BOOK WAS CALLED A TIME TO KILL.
[00:57:35] HOW MANY TURNED THAT DOWN. >> ALL OF THEM.
[00:57:41] >> WHEN YOU GO TO THE OSCARS
[00:57:44] EVERYBODY SAYS THERE'S THE AUTHOR. >> ALL THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE GO
[00:57:48] THIS WAY, MAY HAVE ANOTHER PATH WHERE THE PEOPLE LIKE I GO.
[00:57:51] >> I INTERVIEWED A GUY WHO LIVED WITH WOLVES.
[00:57:55] >> IS IT SAFE TO DO THAT?
[00:57:58] >> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
[00:58:10] >> IN A DIVIDED MEDIA WORLD, ONE
[00:58:15] PLACE BRINGS AMERICANS TOGETHER. ACCORDING TO A NEW RESEARCH
[00:58:19] REPORT NEARLY NINE MILLION AMERICANS TURNED TO C-SPAN.
[00:58:22] THEY ARE ALMOST PERFECTLY
[00:58:24] BALANCED 28% CONSERVATIVE, 27 PERCENT LIBERAL OR PROGRESSIVE,
[00:58:28] 41% MODERATE.
[00:58:31] REPUBLICANS WATCHING DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS WATCHING REPUBLICANS,
[00:58:35] MODERATES WATCHING BOTH SIDES. C-SPAN VIEWERS WANT THE FACTS
[00:58:39] STRAIGHT FROM THE SOURCE. NO COMMENTARY, AND NO AGENDA
[00:58:43] JUST DEMOCRACY UNFILTERED EVERY DAY ON THE C-SPAN NETWORKS.
[00:58:45] >> WASHINGTON JOURNAL CONTINUES.
[00:58:48] HOST: DISCUSSING THE AI INDUSTRY
[00:58:53] AND POTENTIAL LEGISLATION IS THE
[00:58:56] FORMER TRADE COMMISSIONER AND OBJECT ACTIVE CHIEF ECONOMIST
[00:59:00] AND AHEAD -- AND AT THE
[00:59:04] ABUNDANCE INSTITUTE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
[00:59:06] FOR OUR VIEWERS CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IS THE ABUNDANCE INSTITUTE
[00:59:10] AND WHAT POSITION DOES IT TAKE WHEN IT COMES TO OVERSIGHT OF
[00:59:14] AI. GUEST: THE ABUNDANCE INSTITUTE
[00:59:17] IS A NONPARTISAN NONPROFIT
[00:59:22] THAT'S VERY FOCUSED ON EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES.
[00:59:25] SO WE BELIEVE TECHNOLOGY HAS
[00:59:28] BEEN THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF WIDESPREAD HUMAN PROSPERITY IS
[00:59:32] THE PAST 200 YEARS, WE THINK THAT CONTINUES.
[00:59:35] CAN CONTINUE BUT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN JUST BY ITSELF.
[00:59:39] IT TAKES A POLICY ENVIRONMENT THAT ALLOWS EXPERIMENTATION,
[00:59:42] PRODUCTS TO BE BUILT INTO TAKES
[00:59:45] A CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT EMBRACES INNOVATION RATHER THAN FEARS IT.
[00:59:49] WHEN TO COMES TO A TECHNOLOGY LIKE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
[00:59:52] IT'S A POWERFUL TOOL. WE THINK IS A GENERAL-PURPOSE
[00:59:56] TECHNOLOGY WAS A LOT OF LAW THAT APPLIES TO IT. THERE MIGHT BE SOME GAPS THAT
[00:59:59] NEED TO BE FILLED BUT OVERALL WE ARE STILL FIGURING OUT THE DIE
[01:00:03] MENTIONS OF THIS TOOL AND HOW POWERFUL IT IS AND THE BENEFITS
[01:00:07] IT CAN BRING. I THINK OUR POLICY NEEDS TO REFLECT THAT.
[01:00:11] IT NEEDS TO NOT BE OVERREACTIVE, HE NEEDS TO BE CALIBRATED TO THE
[01:00:15] ACTUAL RISKS WE ARE SEEING AND
[01:00:17] IT NEEDS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
[01:00:20] THAT THERE ARE HUGE UPSIDES TO
[01:00:22] THIS THAT COULD BE FILLED IF TH-
[01:00:32] A SENSE OF ADVENTURE AND WANTING TO GET THE BEST BENEFITS OUT OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
[01:00:35] HOST: A THEME IN WASHINGTON OVER
[01:00:38] THE LAST WEEK HAS BEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP REJECTING CALLS FOR AN AI
[01:00:42] SLOWDOWN AND CALLS FOR RIGOROUS
[01:00:44] OVERSIGHT OVER AI INNOVATION, IN
[01:00:47] PART BECAUSE OF THE RACE WITH CHINA.
[01:00:50] I WONDER, NEIL, DO YOU BELIEVE
[01:00:53] THE PRESIDENT IS CORRECT OR ARE PEOPLE LIKE THE TECH LEADERS WHO
[01:00:56] SAY THEY WANT MORE REGULATION, ARE THEY RIGHT?
[01:00:58] GUEST: I THINK THE DICHOTOMY
[01:01:04] THERE IS COMPLICATED. AS A GENERAL PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY,
[01:01:07] THERE ARE SOME RISKS. I THINK WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS
[01:01:10] BEEN REJECTING IS THIS CALL FOR
[01:01:14] A VERY INVASIVE TYPE OF
[01:01:16] GOVERNMENT WATCHING OVER EVERY
[01:01:20] ENTREPRENEURS SHOULDER TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS STAYING AT
[01:01:24] THE SAME PACE. THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU SET THAT PACE?
[01:01:27] THE PRESIDENT IS RIGHT THAT
[01:01:28] SETTING A PACE LIKE THAT IS
[01:01:31] DIFFICULT AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT AND WE DON'T WANT TO
[01:01:34] FAVOR JUST THE BIGGEST COMPANIES WHO ARE ALREADY LEADING IN THIS
[01:01:38] SPACE. AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE FACT THAT IF WE SET THE PACE
[01:01:41] HERE IN THE U.S., THAT PACE IS NOT GOING TO BE SET IN THE REST OF THE WORLD.
[01:01:45] AND SO OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE RUNNING TO CATCH UP.
[01:01:48] I THINK HE'S RIGHT THAT AMERICAN
[01:01:50] LEADERSHIP AND AI IS IMPORTANT. IT'S NECESSARY AND THAT WE NEED
[01:01:55] TO ADDRESS RISKS, BUT THIS IDEA
[01:01:58] THAT WE ALL NEED TO SLOW DOWN
[01:02:00] WITH THE GOVERNMENT'S REQUIREMENT I THINK IS NOT RIGHT.
[01:02:04] THESE COMPANIES NEED TO DELIVER
[01:02:08] SAFE PRODUCTS. IF THEY INDIVIDUALLY NEED TO SLOW DOWN TO DO THAT, THEY SHOULD.
[01:02:13] HAVING THE GOVERNMENT IN THERE AND TELLING EVERYBODY TO SLOW DOWN AND MAKING SURE NOBODY RUNS
[01:02:17] AHEAD I THINK IS A PROBLEM. HOST: DO YOU TRUST THESE COMPANIES TO REGULATE
[01:02:21] THEMSELVES?
[01:02:22] ANTHROPIC, SOME OF THESE OTHER
[01:02:26] FOUNDING AI FIRMS HAVE EXPRESSED A NEED FOR OVERSIGHT AFTER SOME
[01:02:29] OF THESE MORE RECENT "DOOMSDAY"
[01:02:34] ADDICTIONS. ONE, DO YOU BELIEVE THEY CAN REGULATE THEMSELVES?
[01:02:37] AND IF NOT, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE COMPANIES REACHING OUT AND SAYING WE WOULD LIKE SOME
[01:02:41] GUARDRAILS? GUEST: COMPANIES CAN'T REGULATE
[01:02:45] THEMSELVES. WHAT REGULATES THEM IS MARKETS,
[01:02:48] CONSUMERS, WHAT CONSUMERS DEMAND. AND ALSO THE RISK OF LIABILITY
[01:02:51] FOR THINGS THAT GO WRONG. AND THE EXISTING LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOK.
[01:02:57] -- BOOKS.
[01:02:57] I SORT OF REJECT THE PREMISE.
[01:03:01] THESE COMPANIES NEED TO DELIVER SAFE PRODUCTS. THEIR CUSTOMERS WANT SAY
[01:03:04] PRODUCTS THAT THEY KNOW ARE GOING TO USE THEIR DATA IN A
[01:03:08] PROPER WAY AND ARE NOT GOING TO MESS UP THE EXISTING SYSTEMS THAT THEY HAVE.
[01:03:11] IF THEY DO -- IF THEIR SYSTEMS
[01:03:15] DO GO BAD AND THEY DO CAUSE HARM, THEY WILL BE LIABLE AND BE
[01:03:18] ON THE HOOK FOR THAT. THEN THERE'S ALL SORTS OF
[01:03:21] EXISTING LAWS THAT APPLY FOR EXAMPLE WHEN YOU USE AI IN A
[01:03:25] MEDICAL ENVIRONMENT OR IN A TRANSPORTATION ENVIRONMENT. THESE COMPANIES NEED TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THAT.
[01:03:30] AND SO, I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF LEADING THEM TO GOVERN THEMSELVES.
[01:03:34] THE QUESTION IS DO THEY HAVE THE INCENTIVES TO CREATE SAFE PRODUCTS.
[01:03:38] AND IF THEY DON'T, WE SHOULD LOOK AT HOW TO INCREASE THOSE INCENTIVES.
[01:03:42] BUT, I THINK THEY HAVE THAT INCENTIVE. AS THEY BEEN SAYING, THEY WANT
[01:03:46] TO DO THIS. THE QUESTION IS WHY ARE THEY ASKING THE GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN
[01:03:51] INSTEAD OF JUST DOING IT THEMSELVES?
[01:03:54] HOST: DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION?
[01:03:57] WHAT DO YOU THINK? GUEST: THERE'S A BUNCH OF REASONS.
[01:04:02] THEY ARE WORRIED IF THEY
[01:04:03] SLOWDOWN ON THEIR PRODUCT, COMPETITORS WILL GET AHEAD.
[01:04:09] I THINK IT'S A RISK TO THEIR BOTTOM LINE IN MANY WAYS.
[01:04:12] THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE IT IF THEY COULD ALL AGREE TO SLOWDOWN.
[01:04:18] I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS WHAT ECONOMISTS MIGHT CALL AN
[01:04:22] ELECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM AND THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO BASICALLY
[01:04:25] ENFORCE AN AGREEMENT THAT, IN
[01:04:29] OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, WOULD BE ANTICOMPETITIVE BEHAVIOR.
[01:04:32] WE WOULD CALL IT A CARTEL NORMALLY. THEY WOULD LIKE THE GOVERNMENT
[01:04:35] TO ENFORCE THAT CARTEL, BECAUSE THEY ARE WORRIED THAT IF THERE
[01:04:39] IS A PRIVATE CARTEL, THAT PEOPLE WILL BREAK OUT OF IT AND
[01:04:43] CONTINUE TO INNOVATE IN AN EFFORT TO GET MORE CUSTOMERS.
[01:04:46] SO, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN REASON.
[01:04:49] SOME OF THE OTHER REASONS, THERE ARE LEGITIMATE INFORMATION
[01:04:53] SHARING REASONS THAT COMPANIES WANT TO COLLABORATE.
[01:04:56] THESE TYPES OF THINGS WOULD BE,
[01:05:00] IF ONE COMPANY IDENTIFIES A SPECIFIC TYPE OF VULNERABILITY, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHARE IT
[01:05:04] WITH OTHER COMPANIES. UNDER CURRENT ANTITRUST LAW AND
[01:05:08] OTHER TYPES OF LAWS, THIS IS TOTALLY ALLOWED.
[01:05:11] IN FACT, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THE FTC HAVE A
[01:05:14] LETTER THAT SAYS THAT CYBERSECURITY INFORMATION
[01:05:18] SHARING DOES NOT RAISE ANTICOMPETITIVE ISSUES.
[01:05:21] AND SO, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED GOVERNMENT ACTION HERE TO SHARE THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION.
[01:05:26] AND I THINK THEY SHOULD DO THAT. THEY SHOULD SET UP FRAMEWORKS TO
[01:05:29] DO THAT EFFECTIVELY. BOTH WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
[01:05:33] SOME OF THOSE FRAMEWORKS EXIST, THEY NEED TO LEAN INTO THOSE.
[01:05:37] HOST: I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE WE TURN TO PHONE CALLS.
[01:05:41] HER FOLKS WATCHING -- FOR
[01:05:47] PEOPLE WATCHING, START CALLING
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[01:05:54] FOR REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001.
[01:06:00] INDEPENDENTS, YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8002.
[01:06:05] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ALL THE DOOMSDAY SCENARIOS FROM AI
[01:06:08] LEADERS THAT YOU'VE HEARD?
[01:06:11] OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S BEEN TALK THAT AI COULD LEAD TO THE END OF
[01:06:15] HUMANITY. THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE NOT MANAGING THE INNOVATION
[01:06:19] RESPONSIBLY. OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW HUGGING FACE
[01:06:23] AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES.
[01:06:24] GUEST: SO, I MEAN THIS IS A
[01:06:29] STREAM OF CONVERSATION THAT'S
[01:06:32] BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. OBVIOUSLY, IT PREEXISTS
[01:06:36] COMPUTERS IN MANY WAYS.
[01:06:39] IN LITERATURE, THIS IDEA THAT MANKIND WILL CREATE A TECHNOLOGY
[01:06:41] THAT WILL BE ITS DOOM. BUT, I THINK THAT HAS SHREDDED
[01:06:47] THROUGH IN THE ASPECT OF AI FOR THE LAST 20 TO 25 YEARS.
[01:06:52] THERE'S BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THIS AND WORRIED ABOUT IT.
[01:06:55] EACH TIME THEY SAY IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER OFF THAN WE THOUGHT.
[01:07:00] SO, THE QUESTION IS WHAT EVIDENCE WILL WE HAVE THAT THIS
[01:07:03] TYPE OF COMPLETE DOOM COULD
[01:07:04] HAPPEN FROM AI IN A WAY THAT IT
[01:07:08] HASN'T HAPPENED FROM PREVIOUS TECHNOLOGIES, SUCH AS NUCLEAR
[01:07:12] TECHNOLOGY, BIOTECHNOLOGY, LOTS
[01:07:14] OF OTHER SPACES, VIRUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
[01:07:18] IT'S NOT THAT -- IT'S NOT THAT I
[01:07:21] WOULD SAY THESE PEOPLE ARE WRONG THAT THERE ARE RISKS.
[01:07:25] THERE'S CLEARLY RISKS. ANY POWERFUL TOOL HAS RISKS.
[01:07:29] AI IS A VERY GENERAL PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY.
[01:07:31] SO, IT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL, WHICH MEANS IT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL MISUSE.
[01:07:36] THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THIS IDEA OF GOING ROGUE. I THINK SO MUCH OF THE NARRATIVE
[01:07:40] THERE HAS BEEN PHRASED AROUND THIS HUGGING FACE INCIDENT, IN
[01:07:43] WHICH FRANKLY, THE COMPANIES
[01:07:49] SET UP A BOILING POT AND WALKED AWAY FOR TWO WEEKS AND DID NOT
[01:07:52] LOOK AT IT AND THEY SAID OH, MY PASTA WENT ROGUE AND IT'S TRYING TO BURN DOWN THE HOUSE.
[01:07:56] HOST: THEY SET UP A TEST FOR THE
[01:07:59] AI AND LEFT IT IN THE AI --
[01:08:04] GUEST: WHAT A POOR METAPHOR. HOST: [LAUGHTER]
[01:08:09] I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN FOR OUR FOLKS. CARMEN FROM NEW YORK, REPUBLICAN.
[01:08:13] GOOD MORNING, CARMEN. CALLER: YES, GOOD MORNING.
[01:08:17] MR. CHILTON, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY
[01:08:21] TIME I HEAR A POLITICIAN SPEAK
[01:08:23] ABOUT AI, THEY WILL EXPRESS VERY
[01:08:26] SERIOUS -- THEY WON'T EXPRESS
[01:08:28] VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT IT BUT THEY DO NOTHING.
[01:08:32] -- THEY WILL EXPRESS VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT IT BUT
[01:08:36] THEY DO NOTHING. IF THERE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS
[01:08:38] ABOUT IT, WHY DOESN'T SOMEBODY FROM CONGRESS ASK ONE OF THESE
[01:08:42] PRINCIPLES FROM THESE COMPANIES,
[01:08:45] CAN YOU USE AI IN AN EXPERIMENT,
[01:08:48] LET'S SAY ON THE COVID VIRUS?
[01:08:52] CAN YOU MUTATE IT AND GO BACK AND FORTH?
[01:08:54] CAN AI CREATE A VIRUS THAT'S
[01:08:57] IMMUNE TO VACCINES? THAT'S WHAT REALLY SCARES ME.
[01:09:01] GUEST: IS A GREAT QUESTION AND
[01:09:05] IT'S A CONCERN THAT I THINK PEOPLE HAVE THAT THESE
[01:09:09] TECHNOLOGIES, BECAUSE OF THEIR POTENTIAL TO UNDERSTAND PATTERNS
[01:09:12] IN LARGE AMOUNT OF DATA, THEY
[01:09:16] MIGHT BE MISUSED IN ORDER TO GENERATE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS.
[01:09:18] AND SO, THERE IS -- THE
[01:09:21] GOVERNMENT HAS LOOKED INTO THAT.
[01:09:24] THE COMPANIES ARE AWARE OF THAT CONCERN. AND, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF
[01:09:27] STRUCTURES IN PLACE THAT MAKE IT ACTUALLY HARD, EVEN ONCE YOU
[01:09:29] DESIGN A VIRUS, OR YOU DESIGN
[01:09:32] THE DNA FOR A VIRUS, TO GET THE PIECES THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO
[01:09:37] PRODUCE IT, ETC.
[01:09:38] IT'S NOT AS IF AI OR EVEN
[01:09:41] INTELLIGENCE IS THE PRIMARY BOTTLENECK TO THIS TYPE OF THREAT.
[01:09:44] BUT, IT IS A POTENTIAL RISK.
[01:09:47] AND SO, THESE COMPANIES HAVE ALL SORTS OF GUARDRAILS AROUND WHEN
[01:09:51] YOU CAN USE THEIR TOOLS FOR BIOLOGICAL REASONS.
[01:09:54] I SHOULD SAY THAT THERE IS HUGE
[01:09:55] POTENTIAL HERE, ON THE MEDICAL
[01:10:00] SIDE, THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CHILL BY PUTTING THESE TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS IN.
[01:10:05] GOOGLE JUST RECENTLY ANNOUNCED A NEW DATABASE THAT RESEARCHERS
[01:10:09] CAN USE THAT EXPLAINS ALL OF THE
[01:10:11] CHEMICAL PROPERTIES OF HUMAN DNA , AND SO THEY CAN RUN VIRTUAL
[01:10:16] EXPERIMENTS TO UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW CERTAIN TYPES OF DNA ARE
[01:10:20] CONNECTED TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISEASES AND DESIGN DRUGS BETTER.
[01:10:22] THAT HAS HUGE POTENTIAL FOR DRUG DISCOVERY AND HEALTH CARE.
[01:10:27] SO, THAT POTENTIAL COMES WITH A SLIGHT RISK OF MISUSE.
[01:10:31] WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MITIGATING THAT RISK. THE QUESTION IS WHERE IS THE
[01:10:35] RIGHT BOTTLENECK FOR THAT? I THINK THE ANSWER THE COMPANIES WOULD GIVE TO THE SPECIFIC
[01:10:39] QUESTION THAT YOU SAID IS THAT
[01:10:43] NOBODY CAN DESIGN A VIRUS THAT IS IMMUNE TO VACCINES.
[01:10:49] BUT, THAT THESE ARE POWERFUL TOOLS THAT CAN HELP US BETTER
[01:10:52] UNDERSTAND THIS SPACE.
[01:10:54] RIGHT NOW, AI CANNOT BY ITSELF DESIGN SUCH VIRUSES AT ALL.
[01:10:57] HOST: TIM FROM WINSTON-SALEM,
[01:11:01] NORTH CAROLINA, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. CALLER: HEY, GOOD MORNING.
[01:11:05] THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL. AI IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TOOL THAT'S OUT THERE.
[01:11:08] YOU LOOK AT THE AUTOMOBILE THAT
[01:11:11] CAME OUT, NUCLEAR FUSION,
[01:11:13] MANKIND HAS A CHOICE IN HOW TO
[01:11:16] USE THESE TECHNOLOGIES.
[01:11:18] AND AI ITSELF IS JUST A VERY
[01:11:22] FAST, EFFICIENT WAY TO GATHER ALL THE DATA IN ORDER TO MAKE
[01:11:25] BETTER DECISIONS. SO, AT THE CORE OF ANY
[01:11:28] REGULATION, IT HAS TO BE WITH THE INTENT OF WHAT THEY ARE
[01:11:31] GOING TO DO WITH TECHNOLOGY.
[01:11:34] AI ITSELF IS STUPID. IF YOU EVER HAVE A CONVERSATION
[01:11:37] WITH AI, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO PULL OF THE DATA THAT'S OUT
[01:11:40] THERE AND IT WILL ONLY MIMIC THE PARAMETERS THAT IT'S GIVEN.
[01:11:43] SO, THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST
[01:11:45] CALLED, OK, LET'S USE THIS TO CHANGE THE DNA STRUCTURE TO COME
[01:11:49] UP WITH A VACCINE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
[01:11:51] SO, IT CAN BE USED FOR WONDERFUL THINGS. IT CAN BE USED TO ADVANCED
[01:11:56] TECHNOLOGY AND ENGINE DESIGN --
[01:12:01] IN ENGINE DESIGN, CREATING BETTER CROPS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE INTENT
[01:12:05] AND THE ETHICS.
[01:12:07] AND I YIELD BACK TO MR. CHIL
[01:12:12] SON. GUEST: ABSOLUTELY.
[01:12:15] I THINK ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES WITH REGULATING AI,
[01:12:20] IT'S A GENERAL-PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY. SO, BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY
[01:12:24] APPLICATIONS, WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT REGULATING, IT'S VERY VAGUE.
[01:12:28] I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, TIM, THAT WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IS THEY
[01:12:30] SHOULD SAY HOW IS AI BEING USED
[01:12:33] IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA. SO, LET'S SAY AGRICULTURE.
[01:12:36] HOW IS IT BEING USED TO DESIGN
[01:12:39] TOOLS THAT WOULD REDUCE THE NEED
[01:12:43] FOR PESTICIDES OR TO MAKE CROPS
[01:12:46] MORE RESISTANT TO NATURAL
[01:12:50] DISEASE, OR TO BE ABLE TO GROW IN AREAS THAT THEY HAD NOT BEFORE.
[01:12:55] THAT TYPE OF USE BRINGS CERTAIN
[01:13:00] TYPES OF BENEFITS, A CERTAIN COST BENEFIT RATIO.
[01:13:05] WHAT KINDS OF RULES ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW?
[01:13:08] ARE THERE ANY RISKS IN THOSE -- IN THIS NEW APPLICATION THAT ARE
[01:13:12] NOT COVERED BY THOSE RULES? AND HOW MIGHT WE FILL THOSE GAPS?
[01:13:15] RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT REGULATING AI AT A VERY HIGH
[01:13:19] LEVEL, LET'S GET DOWN TO BE SPECIFIC USES. SOME OF THOSE USES WILL BE
[01:13:23] COMPLETELY INNOCUOUS AND WE DON'T NEED REGULATION THERE.
[01:13:27] WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT THE INNOVATION EFFECTS OF REGULATION THERE.
[01:13:30] AND SOME OTHER AREAS ARE GOING
[01:13:31] TO HAVE ACTUAL RISKS TO HUMANS,
[01:13:34] OR TO ECONOMIC COSTS.
[01:13:38] AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE THERE AND TRY TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS.
[01:13:43] HOST: I WANT TO INVITE MORE OF
[01:13:46] OUR VIEWERS TO JOIN IN ON THIS CONVERSATION. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AI,
[01:13:50] POTENTIAL GUARDRAILS AND FEDERAL POLICY. DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8000.
[01:13:56] REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8001.
[01:14:01] INDEPENDENTS, YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8002.
[01:14:05] NEIL, I WANT TO SHOW YOU A
[01:14:09] RECENT INTERVIEW WITH POLITICO
[01:14:10] THAT ANTHROPIC'S HEAD OF POLICY
[01:14:14] DID, WHERE SHE SPOKE ABOUT WHAT SHE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH,
[01:14:17] WHEN IT COMES TO GUARDRAILS. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN.
[01:14:19] >> WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FOR
[01:14:23] THIRD-PARTY EVALUATORS. IT'S SOMETHING WE DID WHEN WE
[01:14:26] RELEASED CLAUDE TWO, CLAUDE
[01:14:30] THREE AND MANY OF THE MODELS WE HAVE IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.
[01:14:36] I'VE WANTED TO SEE AN EXPANSION OF THE ECOSYSTEM OF THESE
[01:14:40] THIRD-PARTY EVALUATORS. WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT
[01:14:42] WHO THEY ARE, WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE INDEPENDENT.
[01:14:46] AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH GOVERNMENT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
[01:14:50] MADE SENSE. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A
[01:14:53] WORLD WHERE YOU DO SAFETY AND PEOPLE ARE ACCEPTING OF AI
[01:14:56] COMPANIES JUST DOING IT ON AN HONOR CODE.
[01:15:00] WE CAN'T BE CHECKING OUR OWN HOMEWORK. HOST: THAT WAS SARAH HECK OF
[01:15:04] ANTHROPIC. I WONDER, NEIL, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT HER APPROACH.
[01:15:08] GUEST: I MEAN, I THINK MS. HECK
[01:15:14] IS RIGHT THAT PEOPLE WILL WANT
[01:15:17] TO TRUST THE PRODUCTS THAT COME OUT OF THESE COMPANIES.
[01:15:19] AND ONE WAY THAT THEY MIGHT
[01:15:21] TRUST THEM MORE WOULD BE IF
[01:15:24] THERE HAD BEEN THIRD PARTIES WHO HAVE CHECKED THEIR HOMEWORK, AS SHE PUT IT.
[01:15:29] AND, AS SHE PUT IT, ANTHROPIC HAS BEEN DOING THIS. I THINK THAT THEY ARE RIGHT TO
[01:15:34] SEEK A BIGGER ECOSYSTEM OF FOLKS
[01:15:37] WHO ARE DOING THESE TYPES OF THIRD-PARTY CHECKS. RIGHT NOW, THAT ECOSYSTEM IS
[01:15:42] VERY -- IT'S RELATIVELY SMALL
[01:15:45] AND IT IS VERY FOCUSED ON A
[01:15:49] CIVIC SET OF RISKS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE
[01:15:51] CYBERSECURITY RUSTIC -- EXPERTS
[01:15:55] BROUGHT INTO THESE TYPES OF
[01:15:56] THIRD-PARTY EXAMINATIONS. THAT'S NOT THE PRIMARY SKILL SET
[01:16:00] OF THE PEOPLE DOING THESE THIRD-PARTY CHECKS, EVEN THOUGH
[01:16:04] IT SEEMS TO BE THE PRIMARY RISK.
[01:16:05] HOST: WHO TYPICALLY DOES THE THIRD-PARTY EVALUATIONS?
[01:16:10] IS IT A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT JUST STAND AND GO FROM FRONTIER
[01:16:15] LEFT -- FRONTIER LAB TO FRONTIER LAB?
[01:16:17] OR IS IT A ROTATING CAST, WHAT
[01:16:20] IS THE MAKEUP OF THESE?
[01:16:22] GUEST: THE THIRD-PARTY
[01:16:25] EVALUATORS RIGHT NOW ARE VERY FOCUSED ON AI SAFETY RISKS. THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LARGELY
[01:16:29] FUNDED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO FUND THE AI COMPANIES IN MANY WAYS.
[01:16:33] AND, THEY ARE OFTEN FUNDED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE FUNDING
[01:16:36] A LOT OF THE, I WOULD SAY, MORE
[01:16:40] SKEPTICAL SIDE OR CONCERN SIDE,
[01:16:41] THE AI X RISK TUMOR CONTINGENT.
[01:16:48] -- DOOMER CONTINGENT.
[01:16:54] THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF OPTIONS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT
[01:16:57] THESE OPTIONS FROM A WIDE RANGE OF VIEWS. CYBERSECURITY WOULD BE ONE,
[01:17:00] ECONOMIC IMPACT WOULD BE ANOTHER BIG ONE THAT I WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT.
[01:17:04] RIGHT NOW, IT IS A SORT OF
[01:17:07] INSULAR, CIRCULAR REVOLVING DOOR
[01:17:11] BETWEEN THE AI LABS IN THESE PARTY REVIEWERS -- THIRD-PARTY REVIEWERS.
[01:17:15] HAVING SAID THAT, THE THIRD-PARTY REVIEW IS NOT THE
[01:17:18] ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN PROVE THAT
[01:17:21] THESE TOOLS ARE TRUSTWORTHY. THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER TYPES OF
[01:17:25] INSURANCE MODELS. THERE COULD BE GOVERNMENT IN
[01:17:28] SPECIFIC SECTORS THAT COULD BE INVOLVED IN VERIFYING THINGS.
[01:17:33] LIKE THEY ARE IN SAY AUTOMOBILES OR AIRPLANES.
[01:17:35] AND SO, I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF
[01:17:38] DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOCK US INTO ONE APPROACH.
[01:17:43] AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOCK THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY INTO ONE
[01:17:46] APPROACH, WHERE THE THIRD-PARTY
[01:17:49] EVALUATORS ARE BASICALLY VERY
[01:17:52] ALIGNED WITH THE SORT OF ANTHROPIC VIEW OF AI.
[01:17:55] HOST: RUBIN CALLING IN FROM NEW
[01:17:58] JERSEY ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE. GOOD MORNING.
[01:18:00] CALLER: HEY, GOOD MORNING.
[01:18:04] A QUESTION HERE, THIS KIND OF
[01:18:04] TIES TO THE EARLIER TOPIC ABOUT
[01:18:08] CONGRESS DOING THEIR JOB. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY, AI AND ROBOTICS.
[01:18:13] AND THAT IS THAT BACK IN 1945,
[01:18:17] WHEN SOCIAL SECURITY LAUNCHED, WE HAD 42 WORKERS FOR EVERY RECIPIENT.
[01:18:21] TODAY, WE HAVE ABOUT TWO WORKERS. FOR EVERY RECIPIENT.
[01:18:27] ON SOCIAL SECURITY, AND AS AI AND AS ROBOTS BECOME MORE
[01:18:30] PREVALENT IN OUR SOCIETY, IN OUR
[01:18:33] ECONOMY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE EVEN FEWER WORKERS.
[01:18:36] WE WILL HAVE FEWER KNOWLEDGE WORKERS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FEWER MANUAL LABORERS.
[01:18:42] THERE ARE SOME REALLY, REALLY
[01:18:44] SMART GUYS TALKING ABOUT MAY BE
[01:18:48] TAXING OR, IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR
[01:18:49] FORM, HAVI AI AND THE ROBOTS PAG
[01:18:54] SOMETHING TO FUND SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE AND I'M
[01:19:00] WONDERING IF -- BY THE WAY, CONGRESS HAS NOT TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
[01:19:03] THEY HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THE
[01:19:06] IMPENDING DOOM OF AI -- THAT AI
[01:19:10] AND ROBOTICS WILL BRING ONTO THE WORKFORCE AND THE IMPACT OF SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE.
[01:19:14] SO, IF YOU'VE HEARD ANYTHING THERE, NEIL, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
[01:19:17] GUEST: SURE, RUBEN.
[01:19:20] THANKS FOR CALLING IN. I WOULD SEPARATE GOES INTO TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
[01:19:24] ONE IS THE EFFECT OF AI ON JOBS. WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IS THAT
[01:19:28] THE EFFECT IS MIXED, BUT PEOPLE
[01:19:31] WHO HAVE BEEN PREDICTING -- BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PREDICTING THAT
[01:19:35] IN CERTAIN SECTORS. RADIOLOGY IS AN AREA WHERE THERE WERE EARLY CONVICTIONS THAT AI
[01:19:39] WOULD DESTROY RADIOLOGY BECAUSE
[01:19:41] IT CAN READ SCANS BETTER THAN THE DOCTORS.
[01:19:44] IT TURNS OUT RADIOLOGY IS DOING EXTREMELY WELL.
[01:19:47] IN FACT, PEOPLE ARE GETTING MORE SCANS FASTER, IN PART BECAUSE OF
[01:19:51] AI. BUT THE DEMAND FOR RADIOLOGY HAS GONE UP TOO BECAUSE IT'S EASIER
[01:19:54] AND CHEAPER TO GET A SCAM. MORE PEOPLE WILL DO IT IN AREAS WHERE THEY WERE NOT BEFORE.
[01:20:00] I THINK THERE'S ALL OF THESE
[01:20:01] MIXED EFFECTS THAT WE CAN EXPECT
[01:20:04] FROM A PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCING
[01:20:10] TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN AND WILL
[01:20:13] DRIVE AND HISTORICALLY HAS DRIVEN MORE EMPLOYMENT, NOT JUST
[01:20:15] REPLACING PEOPLE AND EMPLOYMENT GOING AWAY. I WOULD SAY ON THE BLUE-COLLAR
[01:20:19] SIDE, IT'S CLEAR THE AI BOOM IS DRIVING A HUGE AMOUNT OF
[01:20:23] BLUE-COLLAR WORK IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE AI
[01:20:27] INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE THESE PRODUCTS.
[01:20:30] AND SO, THERE AGAIN, THERE IS A BENEFIT.
[01:20:33] AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY WON'T DISRUPT CERTAIN JOBS. IT CERTAINLY WILL.
[01:20:39] BUT EVEN PUTTING THAT ASIDE, THE
[01:20:41] OTHER BIG DIFFERENCE FROM 1945
[01:20:45] TO TODAY IS THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE IT SO THAT PEOPLE LIVE MUCH LONGER.
[01:20:48] THEY WERE NOT ANTICIPATING MOST PEOPLE TO EVEN COLLECT SOCIAL
[01:20:52] SECURITY, BECAUSE THE AVERAGE COLLECTION AGE WAS ABOVE THE AVERAGE AGE OF DEATH IN 1945.
[01:20:57] NOW, 20-30 YEARS AFTER
[01:21:02] COLLECTING -- THE AGE OF COLLECTING SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT UNHEARD OF.
[01:21:05] AND TECHNOLOGY COULD DRIVE THAT NUMBER MUCH LONGER, POSSIBLY.
[01:21:08] AS WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO LIVE
[01:21:13] LONGER, WE MIGHT RUN INTO A VERY STRUCTURAL PROBLEM HERE IN THE
[01:21:16] WAY THAT WE HAVE SET UP THIS SOCIAL SAFETY NET.
[01:21:21] I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE CALLER THAT WE NEED TO RE-EXAMINE HOW
[01:21:24] WE DO THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS.
[01:21:28] RIGHT NOW, IT'S A TRANSFER FROM THE YOUNG AND THE WORKING TO THE
[01:21:32] ELDERLY, WHO ARE OFTEN, IN MANY
[01:21:35] CASES, QUITE A BIT WEALTHIER
[01:21:37] THAN THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT PAY CHECKS ARE BEING DRAWN ON.
[01:21:42] SO, WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO
[01:21:46] REBALANCE THIS. I THINK SOME OF THIS WILL COME DOWN TO SOME REALLY TOUGH
[01:21:49] POLITICAL CHOICES ABOUT HOW WE
[01:21:50] ARE MOVING MONEY AROUND BETWEEN
[01:21:54] GENERATIONS.
[01:21:55] HOST: JIM FROM PORTLAND, OREGON,
[01:21:58] INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING, JIM.
[01:22:00] CALLER: CONSCIOUSNESS IS EVER AN
[01:22:06] OPPORTUNIST. AND IF YOU CREATE AN ARTIFICIAL
[01:22:11] CONSCIOUSNESS, WHY WOULD IT NOT
[01:22:17] TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE ITS ONLY REAL COMPETITORS, THE HUMANS?
[01:22:20] GUEST: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
[01:22:25] I THINK IT'S A BIG IF. RIGHT NOW, THE PROGRAMS THAT WE
[01:22:29] HAVE, THEY RUN IN A LOOP. WE CAN TURN THEM ON OR OFF.
[01:22:38] WE CAN OBSERVE THEIR INPUTS AND OUTPUTS. CALLING THEM CONSCIOUS RIGHT NOW
[01:22:42] WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING. YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT -- YOU ARE
[01:22:44] RIGHT THAT ADDING WILL INTO
[01:22:48] SOFTWARE, IF WE KNEW HOW TO DO THAT, THAT IT WOULD CHANGE HOW
[01:22:51] WE INTERACTED WITH THE SOFTWARE.
[01:22:54] BUT RIGHT NOW, THESE PROGRAMS DON'T WANT THINGS.
[01:22:59] THEY ARE DESIGNED AND THEY PURSUE THE GOALS THAT HUMANS HAVE SET FOR THEM.
[01:23:03] AND, I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE GREAT EXAMPLES ACTUALLY OF THE
[01:23:07] FACT THAT IT DOESN'T, EVEN IF
[01:23:10] YOU HAVE MORE INTELLIGENCE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ERADICATE
[01:23:12] EVERYTHING AROUND IT OR AROUND YOU, OR THAT YOU TRY TO DESTROY
[01:23:16] IT. HUMANS COOPERATE WITH EACH
[01:23:20] OTHER, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE VERY MUCH RIVAL WITH EACH OTHER.
[01:23:24] AND SO, THE QUESTION WOULD BE -- IT'S NOT JUST CONSCIOUSNESS THAT
[01:23:28] MAKES US WANTS TO DESTROY --
[01:23:32] WANT TO DESTROY OUR RIVALS. SOMETIMES THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE INTELLIGENT ARE ACTUALLY BIG
[01:23:36] ASSETS TO US. THAT'S THE HISTORY OF CAPITALISM, THAT COOPERATION,
[01:23:40] THAT COORDINATION THROUGH
[01:23:43] DIRECTING PEOPLE'S SELF INTEREST IN MOTIVATIONS CAN ACTUALLY
[01:23:47] PRODUCE MORE WEALTH, RATHER THAN JUST EXCHANGING WEALTH.
[01:23:51] SO, I WOULD SAY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO FEAR THAT.
[01:23:55] WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BUILDING THE SYSTEMS IN A
[01:23:59] WAY THAT THEY WILL BE ASSETS AND THEY WILL BE USEFUL TO US,
[01:24:02] RATHER THAN ONE SWEAR THEY COULD
[01:24:06] BE MISUSED BY OTHER HUMANS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS.
[01:24:09] HOST: BACK ON THE ISSUE OF
[01:24:12] REGULATION, I'M LOOKING AT A POINTER ARTICLE RIGHT NOW, NEIL.
[01:24:15] THE HEADLINE IS WHAT OUR LAWMAKERS DOING ABOUT AI RISKS.
[01:24:19] HERE ARE SOME OF THE PROPOSALS IN CONGRESS.
[01:24:21] BEAR WITH ME WHILE I SCROLL, FOLKS.
[01:24:24] IT LISTS A COUPLE. A FRAMEWORK FOR ADVANCED AI
[01:24:28] MODELS, THAT'S FROM A
[01:24:30] REPRESENTATIVE FROM CALIFORNIA,
[01:24:33] AND ONE FROM MASSACHUSETTS WHERE
[01:24:38] OTHER -- FOUR OTHER COSPONSORS INTRODUCED THE FRONTIER ACT IN
[01:24:42] JULY. IT WOULD INSTALL AN
[01:24:44] UNDERSECRETARY OF COMMERCE FOR AI SECURITY WHO WOULD BE
[01:24:48] AUTHORIZED TO LICENSE INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATIONS.
[01:24:49] ANOTHER BILL FROM TED LIEU FROM CALIFORNIA AND NATHANIEL MORAN
[01:24:55] WOULD -- NATHANIEL MORAN WOULD INTRODUCE AN AI KILL SWITCH
[01:24:59] WHICH WOULD REQUIRE AI
[01:25:04] COMPANIES DEVELOPING ADVANCED AI SYSTEMS TO MAINTAIN METHODS FOR
[01:25:07] SUSPENDING OR SHUTTING DOWN THOSE SYSTEMS.
[01:25:10] THIS WOULD INCLUDE STOPPING USERS FROM ACCESSING TECHNOLOGY.
[01:25:14] SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS INTRODUCED A BILL THAT WOULD BAN
[01:25:18] COMPANIES FROM DEVELOPING AND DEPLOYING SUPER INTELLIGENCE AI.
[01:25:21] THERE'S A PLETHORA OF THINGS
[01:25:22] THAT ARE CIRCULATING AROUND CONGRESS.
[01:25:25] I WONDER, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPOSALS?
[01:25:28] GUEST: THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF
[01:25:32] WORK GOING ON IN CONGRESS. I WOULD SAY THERE'S EVEN SOME BILLS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
[01:25:36] INTRODUCED THAT ARE POSSIBLY ON THE WAY AS WELL.
[01:25:39] AND SO, I THINK THEY SHOW THAT CONGRESS IS FEELING THE INTEREST
[01:25:44] AND IN DOING SOMETHING IN THIS
[01:25:49] SPACE. ESPECIALLY IN CONTRAST TO THE STATES.
[01:25:51] THE STATES HAVE PASSED HUNDREDS
[01:25:55] OF AI REGULATORY LAWS THAT ARE
[01:25:58] FOCUSED ON A WIDE RANGE OF ISSUES.
[01:26:00] SOME OF THEM ARE ISSUES THAT REALLY SHOULD BE DEALT WITH AT
[01:26:04] THE FEDERAL LEVEL, LIKE THESE AI MODEL SAFETY CONCERNS.
[01:26:08] AND SO, ALL THREE OF THE BILLS
[01:26:10] THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT DO -- ARE AIMED AT THAT.
[01:26:13] THEY ARE AIMED AT AI MODEL SAFETY. NOT SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS.
[01:26:16] AND I THINK THERE IS SUCH A WIDE RANGE.
[01:26:20] THE FRONTIER ACT IS, IN MANY
[01:26:23] WAYS, A COMPLIANCE BILL THAT IS AIMED ONLY AT THE BIGGEST
[01:26:27] COMPANIES.
[01:26:29] AND, IT IS -- IT PROVIDES US A SET OF PROCESSES BY WHICH PEOPLE
[01:26:32] MIGHT GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO GET
[01:26:36] GOVERNMENT CERTIFIED, ESSENTIALLY, THAT IT IS OK TO RELEASE A MODEL.
[01:26:41] AND I THINK THAT HAS STRENGTHS
[01:26:42] IN THAT WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND,
[01:26:47] COMPANIES UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO THAT. IT HAS SOME RISKS IN THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY
[01:26:51] WHAT MAKES AI DEVELOPMENT SAFE,
[01:26:55] WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT BILL IS GOING TO STAY UP-TO-DATE.
[01:26:59] AND, I THINK ALSO, IT RISKS
[01:27:03] BASICALLY STRUCTURING REGULATION AROUND THE WAY THAT THE BIGGEST COMPANIES DO BUSINESS.
[01:27:07] AND IT LEAVES OUT THE STRIP --
[01:27:12] THE SMALLER ENTREPRENEURS AND THE OPEN SOURCE PROVIDERS WERE BUILDING TOOLS THAT MIGHT BE
[01:27:16] MUCH MORE WIDELY USED. BUT, IF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH
[01:27:20] THIS PROCESS, THEY MAY NOT EXIST AT ALL.
[01:27:24] THE BAND SUPER INTELLIGENCE,
[01:27:24] THAT BILL, THAT VERY TERM IS SO
[01:27:29] POORLY DEFINED THAT PUTTING A
[01:27:30] GOVERNMENT BAN ON IT I THINK IT
[01:27:33] IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE.
[01:27:34] AND I THINK ALSO QUITE UNNECESSARY.
[01:27:38] WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT BERNIE SANDERS IS WORRIED ABOUT HERE.
[01:27:43] HOST: HE DEFINED AS SYSTEMS THAT
[01:27:48] CAN MATCH OR EXCEED HUMAN COGNITIVE PERFORMANCE AND
[01:27:50] CAPABILITIES, OR THOSE THAT HAVE ENOUGH CAPABILITY TO DOMINATE HUMANS.
[01:27:56] INCLUDING BY OVERTHROWING OR UNDERMINING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
[01:27:58] GUEST: YEAH, IT'S A VERY BROAD
[01:28:01] DEFINITION AND, WHEN WE ARE
[01:28:03] TALKING ABOUT BANS, I WORRY
[01:28:12] ABOUT VAGUE AND BROAD DEFINITIONS BECAUSE IT GIVES ENFORCERS THE ABILITY TO STEP IN
[01:28:16] FOR REASONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RISK.
[01:28:22] IF THE GOVERNMENT CAN SAY HEY, WE THINK YOUR TECHNOLOGY IS TO DOUBLE OR DANGEROUS AND WE WOULD
[01:28:26] LIKE TO TURN IT OFF NOW, THEY,
[01:28:30] IN OTHER ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THERE ARE KILL SWITCH IS, WE COULD TO THINGS LIKE A
[01:28:34] TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT WHERE THEY HAVE KILL SWITCHES ON THEIR INTERNET. THEY ARE NOT DOING IT OUT OF
[01:28:39] SAFETY. IF THEY ARE OFTEN DOING IT OUT
[01:28:41] OF VERY POLITICAL REASONS.
[01:28:46] AND I WOULD WORRY ABOUT HAVING A KILL SWITCH THAT IS NOT
[01:28:49] EXTREMELY CLEARLY LIMITED IN THE AUTHORITY THAT IT ALLOWS THE
[01:28:53] GOVERNMENT TO EXERCISE OVER PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, USING COMPUTERS.
[01:28:55] HOST: A QUESTION FROM TWITTER
[01:28:58] HEAR FROM LAUREN SAYS WHAT
[01:29:10] SPECIFIC GUARDRAILS WOULD NEIL SUGGEST?
[01:29:11] GUEST: I READ SOME SPECIFIC GUARDRAILS THAT WERE BEING
[01:29:15] CONSIDERED ON THE HILL. THERE IS A PROPOSAL THAT SENATE LEADERS ARE LOOKING AT THAT
[01:29:20] WOULD BASICALLY JUST CLEARLY
[01:29:22] STATE THAT THE FRONTIER LABS
[01:29:25] HAVE A DUTY TO ENSURE THAT THEY
[01:29:28] HAVE MITIGATED -- THAT THEY HAVE
[01:29:32] REASONABLY MITIGATED
[01:29:35] GREAT RISK. AND I THINK THAT TYPE OF CLARITY AROUND THE FACT THAT IT IS THE
[01:29:39] COMPANY'S JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT
[01:29:42] THEIR PRODUCTS ARE SAFE,
[01:29:44] EXISTING LAW SAYS THAT.
[01:29:47] BUT HAVING THE DUTY THAT COULD
[01:29:48] BE ENFORCED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
[01:29:51] ON COMPANIES, SAYING IT LIKE HEY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE DOING WHAT YOU NEED TO
[01:29:55] DO TO ENSURE THAT THE PRODUCTS
[01:29:58] ARE SAFE, WITHOUT GETTING INTO A
[01:30:03] VERY MICROMANAGING APPROACH THAT SAYS HEY, CHECK ALL OF THESE
[01:30:06] BOXES AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO SAY YOU ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY
[01:30:09] HARM THAT HAPPENS, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT
[01:30:13] BOTH MAY BE RISKS UNDER PREVENTING RISK AND I THINK IT
[01:30:16] ALSO IS A WAY TO ADD A LOT OF
[01:30:19] COST TO A PROCESS THAT THE
[01:30:21] BIGGEST COMPANIES CAN ABSORB BUT
[01:30:23] THE SMALL COMPANIES CAN'T. I WOULD PREFER A LIABILITY REGIME.
[01:30:27] A REGIME THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE
[01:30:28] THE FTC'S DATA SECURITY
[01:30:32] ENFORCEMENT THAT SAYS YOU HAVE A GENERAL DUTY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PRODUCTS ARE SAFE.
[01:30:36] WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THAT DUTY.
[01:30:38] AND WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO PROVIDE TOOLS TO GOVERNMENT
[01:30:42] TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE DOING -- YOU'RE
[01:30:46] DOING WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IN THAT SPACE. THOSE OF THE TYPES OF GUIDELINES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE
[01:30:50] FEDERAL LEVEL. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO
[01:30:52] COME IN EXCHANGE WITH REPLACING
[01:30:55] SOME OF THE STATE-LEVEL EFFORTS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THAT.
[01:30:59] BUT, THEY ARE TRYING TO -- BUT
[01:31:02] THEY ARE CREATING PATCHWORK
[01:31:03] WHERE COMPANIES MAY HAVE TO WORK
[01:31:07] WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT CONFLICTING REGIMES AND
[01:31:10] ENFORCERS AT THE STATE LEVEL EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A FEDERAL, IF NOT INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM.
[01:31:13] HOST: JOE FROM OAKLAWN THE CITY, DEMOCRAT.
[01:31:20] -- FROM OKLAHOMA CITY, DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING, JOE.
[01:31:24] CALLER: I THINK THE PROBLEM HERE
[01:31:28] IS A BIG WORD, CALLED HONESTY.
[01:31:34] LET'S KEEP GOING, BUT LET'S HAVE SOME GUARDRAILS.
[01:31:42] 80% OF THE DATA CENTERS OUT THERE, WHICH ARE JUST COLLECTION
[01:31:46] UNITS, THEY ARE NOW USING AI TO
[01:31:52] RIVAL HUMAN INTELLIGENCE. THE WORK THAT RESEARCHERS USED
[01:31:55] TO DO IS FLOODING INTO DATA
[01:31:59] CENTERS.
[01:32:01] 80% OF THE COMPANIES OUT THERE
[01:32:04] THAT HAVE THESE DIFFERENT DATA
[01:32:06] CENTERS ARE BASICALLY, 80% OF
[01:32:11] THEM ARE SEVEN COMPANIES. THEY WERE BEHIND THEM AT THE
[01:32:14] INAUGURATION. NOW, WHEN THEY COME INTO YOUR
[01:32:19] TOWN, THEY GET INTO NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS.
[01:32:21] SO, THEY ARE HIDING THE DETAILS OF THE DEAL TO GET INTO YOUR
[01:32:25] ACCOUNT. THEY ALSO USE LLCS, WHICH ARE
[01:32:28] FAKE COMPANY NAMES, WHICH YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS UNTIL THE
[01:32:33] VERY LAST MINUTE. THESE ARE NOT HONEST BROKERS.
[01:32:39] HOW DO THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY? BY TAKING WHITE-COLLAR JOBS, SPYING ON PEOPLE AND SELLING
[01:32:43] YOUR DATA. HOW MANY JOBS ARE YOU GOING TO GET OUT OF THESE PEOPLE?
[01:32:46] HOST: RI, JOE. THAT'S A LOT.
[01:32:50] LET'S LET NEIL COME IN AND RESPOND.
[01:32:52] GUEST: THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES,
[01:32:55] THE BUILDING OF AI INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT THE PROCESS SHOULD BE DONE THERE.
[01:32:59] AND THEN THERE IS THE BASIC IS AI OF ANY BENEFIT.
[01:33:03] BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE AI BENEFIT SIDE ON THE PROGRAM
[01:33:05] ALREADY, I WILL TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING OF AI INFRASTRUCTURE.
[01:33:09] I THINK THE CALLER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT THESE COMPANIES
[01:33:13] SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TRICK COMMUNITIES INTO A BAD DEAL.
[01:33:16] WE NEED AI INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE
[01:33:21] U.S. TO BUILD THESE POWERFUL TOOLS.
[01:33:23] BUT, THEY NEED TO NOT COMMENT -- COME AT THE COST OF THE
[01:33:27] COMMUNITIES THEY ARE IN. THE COMMUNITIES NEED TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE GETTING A GOOD
[01:33:31] DEAL AND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES FEEL THIS WAY.
[01:33:34] I DON'T KNOW IF THE CALLER HAS SEEN IN LOUISIANA WHERE EVERY SCHOOL TEACHER IN THE DISTRICT
[01:33:40] THAT A METADATA CENTER WAS BUILT IN. $50,000 BONUS CHECKS THIS
[01:33:45] YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE DATA CENTER
[01:33:48] REVENUE THAT THEY BROUGHT INTO
[01:33:49] THIS OTHERWISE RATHER, YOU KNOW,
[01:33:55] RURAL, IMPOVERISHED REGION.
[01:33:57] AND SO, I THINK THOSE TYPES OF BENEFITS, COMMUNITIES CAN SEE
[01:34:00] THAT AND CAN SEE A GOOD DEAL. I THINK COMPANIES SHOULD PAY FOR THEIR OWN POWER.
[01:34:04] I THINK THEY SHOULD ENSURE BILLS ARE NOT GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING.
[01:34:08] I THINK THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS
[01:34:12] ARE MITIGATED AND THEY NEED TO MAKE GOOD DEALS WITH THE COMMUNITIES. THE COMPANIES WANT TO DO THIS, I
[01:34:17] THINK. I THINK THE CALLER IS RIGHT THAT SOME OF THE COMPANIES HAVE BEEN
[01:34:19] BAD ACTORS ON THE EARLY SIDE OF
[01:34:21] THIS OR THEY HAVE BEEN DOING STANDARD CONSTRUCTION TYPES OF
[01:34:25] CONTRACTS THAT HAVE NOT TAKEN
[01:34:27] INTO ACCOUNT THE POLITICAL'S -- POLITICAL CONCERNS THAT ARE IN THIS AREA.
[01:34:31] THEY CAN DO A BETTER JOB. WE NEED TO BUILD THIS UP. I THINK WE CAN AND WE CAN DO IT
[01:34:36] IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS COMMUNITIES AND THAT PROVIDES
[01:34:39] ENORMOUS BENEFITS BOTH TO THEM AND THE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE USING THE AI INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE
[01:34:43] NEED.
[01:34:44] HOST: RON FROM NEW YORK,
[01:34:48] INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING, RON.
[01:34:49] CALLER: GOOD MORNING, MR.
[01:34:52] CHILSON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR OBSERVATIONS. I APOLOGIZE.
[01:34:56] I WANT TO BRING UP A BROADER PHILOSOPHICAL POINT, IF MR.
[01:35:00] CHILSON COULD REPLY TO THAT. AI IS A TECHNOLOGY.
[01:35:07] AND READING BACK IN THE 1960'S,
[01:35:13] A HISTORIAN JOCKEY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF A TECHNOLOGY
[01:35:16] CAN BE CREATED, IT WILL BE CREATED. WHETHER IT IS AN ATOMIC BOMB OR
[01:35:20] A CELL PHONE.
[01:35:23] AND HIS POINT IS THAT WE ALWAYS
[01:35:25] THINK THAT WE USE TECHNOLOGY. BUT ACTUALLY AT A POINT,
[01:35:30] TECHNOLOGY USES US. IT CHANGES THE WAY WE LIVE.
[01:35:33] CELL PHONES, TABLETS, COMPUTERS
[01:35:35] HAVE CHANGED THE WAY -- WE NEVER KIND OF STOPPED AT THE BEGINNING
[01:35:38] AND ASK WHAT, WHERE IS THIS GOING TO TAKE US?
[01:35:42] IT'S KIND OF A SIREN'S CALL, IF YOU WILL.
[01:35:47] I JUST WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS IN A BROADER PHILOSOPHICAL PLACE,
[01:35:51] WHERE, DO WE HAVE TO PERCEIVE ON
[01:35:57] EVERY NEW POSSIBLE TECHNOLOGY THAT MAY COME OUR WAY?
[01:36:00] OR, CAN WE PUT THE BRAKES ON
[01:36:03] BEFORE WE GO INTO CERTAIN AREAS? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
[01:36:08] GUEST: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
[01:36:11] IT'S ONE THAT I THINK ABOUT A LOT. I APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO MOVE
[01:36:16] UP INTO THE PHILOSOPHICAL'S HERE A LITTLE.
[01:36:19] I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IMPLICIT IN THAT IS THAT SORT OF WE.
[01:36:26] THAT WE ALL COLLECTIVELY DECIDE
[01:36:30] HOW TO ENGAGE IN TECHNOLOGIES. I THINK THE BEAUTY OF THE HUMAN
[01:36:34] EXPERIENCE IS WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS AND WE COME
[01:36:37] TO DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES WITH DIFFERENT PROBLEMS WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE IN DIFFERENT GOALS.
[01:36:41] AND THAT BRINGS SOME RISKS. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULD USE
[01:36:45] TECHNOLOGY IN A WAY THAT WOULD HARM OTHERS. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE
[01:36:48] RULES IN PLACE THAT MAKE THAT IMPOSSIBLE. BUT IT BRINGS HUGE BENEFITS TOO.
[01:36:53] BECAUSE IT MEANS THERE IS NO ONE
[01:36:55] PERSON WHO IS DESIGNING A TECHNOLOGY WHO REALLY EVEN KNOWS
[01:36:59] ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT SOLVE WITH IT.
[01:37:01] WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE ELECTRICITY, WHICH IS
[01:37:05] ANOTHER GENERAL-PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
[01:37:07] DEVELOPING HOW TO GENERATE
[01:37:11] ELECTRICITY, YOU KNOW, 100 YEARS LATER, THEY WOULD BE SHOCKED AT ALL THE THINGS WE USE
[01:37:15] ELECTRICITY FOUR. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE TRUE FOR AI TOO.
[01:37:19] TO ME, THE QUESTION
[01:37:25] USING AI, IT'S MORE DO YOU AND I
[01:37:28] HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THE
[01:37:31] OPPORTUNITIES IN FRONT OF US AND TRIED TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE FACE?
[01:37:35] WE CAN DO THAT COLLABORATIVELY BUT WE ALSO MIGHT DO THAT INDIVIDUALLY.
[01:37:38] I WOULD WANT -- I WOULD WORRY
[01:37:42] ABOUT THE RISKS THAT WE HAVE IF
[01:37:44] WE ARE GOING TO TURN IT INTO A WEEK, WHERE EVERYTHING IS A
[01:37:47] POLITICAL QUESTION, WHERE
[01:37:50] BASICALLY 51% OF THE PEOPLE CAN
[01:37:51] DICTATE HOW 49% OF THE PEOPLE
[01:37:55] ARE ALLOWED TO USE OR NOT USE TECHNOLOGY. I WORRY ABOUT THE RISKS FROM
[01:37:58] THAT MUCH MORE SO THAN I DO
[01:38:01] ABOUT THE RISKS FROM PEOPLE EMBRACING TECHNOLOGY OR TRYING
[01:38:05] TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT TO SOLVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS, AND
[01:38:08] THE WAYS THAT IT MIGHT SHAPE IN AN UNDEFINED WAY, THAT WE CAN'T
[01:38:12] QUITE PREDICT, THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE.
[01:38:14] SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUED BOTTOM-UP
[01:38:17] EXPERIMENTATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS WITH TECHNOLOGY.
[01:38:22] I AM VERY SKEPTICAL OF THAT SORT OF TOP-DOWN DESIGN STRUCTURES
[01:38:24] THAT WOULD SAY THIS IS THE WAY THE HUMAN RACE SHOULD GO AND
[01:38:28] THIS IS NOT THE WAY THE HUMAN RACE SHOULD GO.
[01:38:31] AND I THINK IN ORDER TO CLEARLY
[01:38:35] DICTATE, YOU WOULD NEED SOME
[01:38:38] VERY AUTHORITARIAN POWERS TO BE
[01:38:41] ABLE TO CONTROL HOW PEOPLE USE
[01:38:43] THINGS LIKE SOFTWARE OR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. AND I THINK THOSE POWERS
[01:38:47] THEMSELVES BRING A LOT OF RISK THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TECHNOLOGY.
[01:38:52] HOST: A HUGE PART OF THIS
[01:38:56] CONVERSATION IS CHINA AND THEIR ROLE IN THE AI RACE. THIS WEEK, CHINA'S DEFENSE
[01:39:01] MINISTER CALLED ON OTHER COUNTRIES, SAYING THEY SHOULD
[01:39:03] STEP UP THE OVERSIGHT OF AI AND SHOULD DIALOGUE WITH EACH OTHER
[01:39:06] OVER CONCERNS.
[01:39:10] WE NOTE NEXT WEEK ON THURSDAY AND WEDNESDAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP
[01:39:12] IS EXPECTED TO MEET WITH CHINESE PRESIDENT XI JINPING.
[01:39:16] WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT CALL BY THE CHINESE OFFICIAL AND WHAT
[01:39:19] SHOULD THE U.S.'S POSTURE IT
[01:39:22] NEXT WEEK BE, WHEN IN CONVERSATION WITH CHINA?
[01:39:25] GUEST: CHINA, OBVIOUSLY THE
[01:39:33] RELATIONSHIP IS VERY COMPLICATED. WHEN IT COMES TO TECHNOLOGY,
[01:39:35] CHINA HAS OFTEN TRIED TO PUSH
[01:39:39] STANDARDS THAT WILL SLOW ITS
[01:39:42] COMPETITORS AND THEN WILL NOT FOLLOW THEM.
[01:39:45] ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL FIGHTS OF
[01:39:48] THE PAST, CHINA HAS BEEN VOCAL
[01:39:51] ABOUT THE NEED FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
[01:39:53] CONTROLS BUT HAS OBVIOUSLY -- IS
[01:39:59] THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF GREENHOUSE GASES.
[01:40:01] SO, I THINK WE -- WE SHOULD
[01:40:04] APPROACH CHINA WITH SOME SKEPTICISM, WHEN THEY ARE
[01:40:07] CALLING FOR INTERNATIONAL
[01:40:10] COOPERATION AROUND AI. I THINK THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO
[01:40:14] CATCH UP WITH THE CAPABILITIES THAT THE U.S. HAS, AND THEY WILL
[01:40:18] BE LOOKING FOR EVERY SINGLE WAY TO DO THAT.
[01:40:19] HOST: STEVE FROM TAMPA, FLORIDA. REPUBLICAN.
[01:40:25] GOOD MORNING, STEVE.
[01:40:26] CALLER: GOOD MORNING, JAZMINE.
[01:40:30] NEIL, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
[01:40:32] THE FIRST ONE IS YEARS AGO, THE TERM THINKING OUT OF THE BOX WAS
[01:40:35] WHAT DESCRIBED CREATING NEW IDEAS OR NEW WAYS OF DOING THINGS.
[01:40:39] THAT'S NOW WHAT AI IS BEING USED FOR.
[01:40:42] THE TERMINOLOGY I CAME UP WITH TO REPLACE THINKING OUT OF THE
[01:40:45] BOX WAS AGITATING INCONCEIVABLE'S.
[01:40:49] I THINK THAT'S WHAT AI IS DOING NOW.
[01:40:53] THE SECOND QUESTION IS DON'T ALL OF THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE THE
[01:40:56] TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES DON'T HAVE
[01:41:00] A VESTED INTEREST IN MAINTAINING
[01:41:05] THEIR BUSINESSES BY ASSURING WE HAVE A MUTUALLY ASSURED
[01:41:07] DESTRUCTION POLICY THAT SAVES US
[01:41:11] FROM NUCLEAR WAR.
[01:41:12] GUEST: I LOVE THAT TERM.
[01:41:16] I OFTEN THINK OF -- THERE IS AN
[01:41:20] ECONOMIST NAMED KIRZNER WHO TALKS ABOUT ADJACENT POSSIBLES.
[01:41:24] WHICH IS THAT THERE IS THIS IDEA THAT IT'S HARD TO THINK OF A NEW
[01:41:28] IDEA THAT IS FAR CONNECTED FROM ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW.
[01:41:31] SO, YOU OFTEN THINK OF THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF NEW COMBINATIONS OF THINGS YOU ALREADY KNOW.
[01:41:37] I THINK AI IS HELPING PEOPLE DO THAT BETTER.
[01:41:41] IT CAN BRING A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONNECTIONS. ANYBODY WHO HAS BRAINSTORMED
[01:41:45] USING THE MORE POWERFUL MODELS KNOWS WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE TO
[01:41:48] HAVE YOUR OWN IDEA NOT QUITE FORMULATED, BUT TO BE ABLE TO
[01:41:52] EXPLORE IT AT LENGTH WITH WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY AN INTERACTIVE
[01:41:58] DATABASE INVOLVING HUMAN KNOWLEDGE.
[01:42:02] I DO THINK THEY HAVE AN INTEREST
[01:42:07] IN NOT BEING DESTROYED. I THINK WE ALL HAVE AN INTEREST
[01:42:10] IN HUMANITY NOT BEING DESTROYED.
[01:42:13] WHAT IS THE ACTUAL RISK THAT IS HERE AND HOW DO WE CALIBRATE TO THAT?
[01:42:18] I DON'T THINK THE ATOM BOMB COMPARISON IS PARTICULARLY USEFUL.
[01:42:22] I THINK IN MANY WAYS, THE ATOMIC
[01:42:26] EXPERIENCE SHOWS US THAT WE CAN
[01:42:27] OVERREACT TO RISKS, WHERE WE
[01:42:31] BASICALLY SHUT DOWN THE U.S. NUCLEAR POWER PLANT INDUSTRY FOR
[01:42:35] MANY, MANY YEARS AND IT'S MADE
[01:42:39] IT VERY HARD FOR US TO BUILD NEW ENERGY IN THIS COUNTRY IN A WAY
[01:42:43] THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MEET THE
[01:42:44] DEMANDS THAT WE NEED AND LOWER
[01:42:48] CONSUMERS PRICES. I DON'T THINK THAT ANALOGY IS PARTICULARLY CORRECT.
[01:42:52] ATOM BOMBS ARE NOT A GENERAL-PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY.
[01:42:56] ARCTIC -- WHEREAS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS.
[01:43:00] THERE IS A LOT ABUSES THAT WE
[01:43:01] CAN VERY SAFELY EMPLOY AND WE
[01:43:06] NEED TO CALIBRATE OUR APPROACH TO THE RISKS THAT WE ACTUALLY SEE.
[01:43:11] HOST: MATTHEW FROM DEARBORN,
[01:43:15] MICHIGAN. GOOD MORNING, MATTHEW. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[01:43:20] WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RISK OF THIS.
[01:43:24] AND THE TOP IS CAN WE KEEP IT SAFE?
[01:43:27] THE GUY DID MAKE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE ATOMIC BOMB.
[01:43:31] I REALIZE IT WAS A GENERAL-PURPOSE THING. BUT, WE DID USE THE ATOMIC BOMB.
[01:43:36] WE DIDN'T CONTAIN IT. WE USED IT TWO TIMES AND IT WAS VERY DESTRUCTIVE.
[01:43:40] WE ARE IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS THING.
[01:43:47] HOW ARE WE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE SAFETY THAT WE ALL WANT?
[01:43:50] THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'VE
[01:43:53] GOT HERE AND WE SEEM TO THINK WELL, WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
[01:43:56] I DON'T WANT NOBODY TO BEAT US
[01:44:01] IN THIS INDUSTRY.
[01:44:03] BUT, YOU GUYS DIDN'T CONVINCE ME ON THE SAFETY PART, YET.
[01:44:06] GUEST: I THINK YOUR VIEWS ARE
[01:44:12] REFLECTED.
[01:44:15] I THINK THE INDUSTRY NEEDS TO DO
[01:44:16] A MUCH BETTER JOB OF EXPLAINING
[01:44:19] WHY THE PRODUCTS THEY ARE DELIVERING ARE USEFUL TO PEOPLE. THAT'S THE MAIN DOWNSIDE HERE.
[01:44:23] WE STILL HAVE -- ONLY 25% OF
[01:44:26] AMERICANS USE AI MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK.
[01:44:31] AND SO, I THINK PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A REAL TANGIBLE
[01:44:34] UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS IS BENEFITING THEIR LIVES YET.
[01:44:38] AND SO, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S TONS
[01:44:41] OF PEOPLE USING IT, WE NEED SOME CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF THAT.
[01:44:44] I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THAT. THAT WILL HELP BUILD TRUST.
[01:44:49] I ENCOURAGE THE VIEWERS, IF YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED AROUND WITH
[01:44:51] SOMETHING LIKE META VIEWS, WHICH WAS A NEW PIECE OF SOFTWARE THAT
[01:44:55] CAN IDENTICALLY -- A
[01:45:06] GENTICALLY -- RIGHT NOW, WE ARE HEARING LOTS
[01:45:09] OF STORIES THAT ARE SCARY. I THINK GETTING SOME REAL
[01:45:13] HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE IN THE AMERICAN POPULACE WILL HELP.
[01:45:17] I THINK THAT WE NEED OTHER TYPES OF FRAMEWORKS THAT CAN HELP US
[01:45:20] UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT THESE COMPANIES ARE DOING, WHAT THEY
[01:45:24] ARE DELIVERING AND BUY THEIR PRODUCT IS SAFE.
[01:45:26] HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[01:45:29] NEIL CHILSON FROM THE ABUNDANCE INSTITUTE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING.
[01:45:32] GUEST: THANK YOU.
[01:45:33] HOST: LATER ON, MORE OF YOUR
[01:45:38] CALLS AND COMMENTS IN OPEN FORUM.
[01:45:39] BUT UP NEXT, KIM WEHLE DISCUSSES
[01:45:45] THE LATEST SUPREME COURT'S -- STAY WITH US.
[01:45:53] ♪
[01:46:13] >> TONIGHT ON C-SPAN'S QUEUE AND
[01:46:17] DAY, NBC NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS
[01:46:21] CORRESPONDENT ANDREA MITCHELL TALKS WITH OUR HOST, PETER SLEN
[01:46:25] ABOUT SOME OF THE BIGGEST STORIES AND MOST IMPORTANT
[01:46:28] PEOPLE SHE'S COVERED DURING HER NEARLY 50 YEARS WITH THE NETWORK.
[01:46:32] >> I CALLED THE CONTROL ROOM AND
[01:46:37] SAID TRUMP IS READY TO GO LIVE AND HE SAID WHO'S YOUR SOURCE?
[01:46:40] AND I TOLD HIM, BECAUSE WE HAD A TRUE SOURCE.
[01:46:44] AND THIS WAS A SINGLE SOURCE.
[01:46:46] IT WAS SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY WAS IN THE DECISION-MAKING.
[01:46:51] AND TOM SAID SUIT UP KID, YOU'RE GOING ON THE AIR.
[01:46:57] >> NBC NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON AND
[01:47:03] FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT,
[01:47:03] ANDREA MITCHELL ON C-SPAN'S Q AND A.
[01:47:07] YOU CAN LISTEN TO Q AND A AND
[01:47:08] ALL OF OUR PODCASTS ON C-SPAN
[01:47:12] NOW OR WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS.
[01:47:15] >> NEXT WEEK ON C-SPAN,
[01:47:19] PRESIDENT TRUMP XI JINPING TO THE UNITED STATES FOR A STATE VISIT.
[01:47:23] THE VISIT BEGINS WEDNESDAY WITH
[01:47:27] PRESIDENT XI JINPING'S ARRIVAL AT JOINT BASE ANDREWS.
[01:47:31] THEN WEDNESDAY, XI JINPING HEADS TO THE WHITE HOUSE FOR AN OFFICIAL WELCOME, FOLLOWED BY A
[01:47:35] STATE DINNER HOSTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP AND FIRST LADY MELANIA TRUMP.
[01:47:41] WATCH LIVE COVERAGE WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY ON THE C-SPAN NETWORKS.
[01:47:44] >> "WASHINGTON JOURNAL," CONTINUES.
[01:47:47] HOST: JOINING US AHEAD OF THE
[01:47:53] 2020 SIX MIDTERM ELECTIONS IS
[01:47:54] AUTHOR AND LAW PROFESSOR AND NBC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR KIM WEHLE.
[01:47:59] THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING. GUEST: GREAT TO BE WITH YOU AS ALWAYS.
[01:48:02] THANKS FOR HAVING ME. HOST: THE SUPREME COURT REJECTED
[01:48:07] PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ATTEMPT TO RESTRICT MAIL-IN BALLOTS THIS WEEK. TELL US MORE ABOUT THIS RULING
[01:48:10] AND WHY WAS IT SIGNIFICANT? GUEST: IT WAS A 7-2 RULING.
[01:48:15] IT WAS A BIG MAJORITY WITH JUSTICE BRETT KAVANAUGH, THE
[01:48:19] ONLY JUSTICE WHO EXPLAINED FOR THE MAJORITY HIS VIEW ON IT.
[01:48:24] ESSENTIALLY, IN A BIG PICTURE
[01:48:28] STANDPOINT HERE, THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE STATES
[01:48:31] THE AUTHORITY TO SET THE TIME, PLACE AND MANNER OF ELECTIONS.
[01:48:35] CONGRESS CAN PARACHUTE IN WITH
[01:48:39] STATUTES AND DICTATE TERMS FOR
[01:48:40] FEDERAL ELECTIONS, AND THEN THE
[01:48:43] STATES OFTEN TIMES WILL GO ALONG WITH THOSE TERMS FOR THEIR ELECTIONS, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LOT EASIER.
[01:48:50] THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO PART OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT GIVES THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
[01:48:53] ANY AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING,
[01:48:57] WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTIONS. PRESIDENT TRUMP ISSUED AN
[01:49:00] EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WOULD --
[01:49:03] THAT ATTEMPTED TO USE THE UNITED
[01:49:05] STATES POSTAL SERVICE, WHICH IS
[01:49:08] AN ARM OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH
[01:49:10] TO BASICALLY KIND OF AUDIT
[01:49:13] MAIL-IN BALLOTS. IT HAD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT
[01:49:16] PROVISIONS ON IT, INCLUDING HAVING THE STATES CREATE VOTER
[01:49:20] ELIGIBILITY LISTS, HAVING THE
[01:49:22] FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CREATE A
[01:49:24] VOTER ELIGIBILITY LIST, AND ESSENTIALLY USING THE POSTAL
[01:49:28] SERVICE AS A MONITORING DEVICE
[01:49:29] AND ALSO REQUIRED CHANGING THE
[01:49:33] BALANCE TO HAVE A SPECIAL BARCODE, ETC.
[01:49:36] AND IT CONTAINED PROVISIONS THAT
[01:49:39] SUGGESTED CRIMINAL LIABILITY FOR
[01:49:41] STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS, IF THEY SENT BALLOTS TO PEOPLE THAT
[01:49:44] WERE DEEMED "INELIGIBLE" IN SOME WAY OR FORM.
[01:49:49] THERE IS A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES TO THIS.
[01:49:51] ONE THAT I LAID OUT IS THE BIG CONSTITUTIONAL PROBLEM.
[01:49:55] THE SECOND IS THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE'S JOB IS TO DELIVER MAIL.
[01:49:59] IT'S NOT ABOUT ELECTIONS. SO, CONGRESS DID NOT ENVISION
[01:50:02] THIS KIND OF POWER FOR THE POSTAL SERVICE.
[01:50:06] BUT, JUSTICE KAVANAUGH'S
[01:50:09] CONCERN, WHY HE JOINED THE MAJORITY HERE, WAS THAT WE ARE SO CLOSE TO THE MIDTERMS, TO RAM
[01:50:13] THIS THROUGH FROM THE FEDERAL
[01:50:16] GOVERNMENT TO THE STATES, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME, EVEN IF
[01:50:19] IT WAS LEGAL OR CONSTITUTIONAL,
[01:50:22] WHICH WOULD MOST LIKELY END UP DISENFRANCHISING A WHOLE LOT OF LEGITIMATE VOTERS.
[01:50:25] HOST: NOW, JUSTICE SAMUEL ALITO,
[01:50:33] JUSTICES SAMUEL ALITO AND CLARENCE THOMAS DISSENTED. WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE?
[01:50:37] GUEST: THE MAIN ONE WHERE THEY
[01:50:41] OPENED HAD TO DO WITH CONSTITUTIONAL STANDING.
[01:50:44] ESSENTIALLY, THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY MADE IS THAT THERE IS NO
[01:50:48] ONE WHO IS ACTUALLY HURT BY THIS. AND SO, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING
[01:50:52] YOU CAN COME TO THE COURTS FOR NOW.
[01:50:55] I THINK STANDING IS ACTUALLY NOT A VERY HIGH BAR. THE IDEA IS YOU JUST DON'T WANT
[01:50:59] TO BE RUNNING INTO COURT ANY TIME YOU COULD GO TO ONE OF THE
[01:51:02] OTHER BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.
[01:51:04] AND THEN THEY MADE A PRETTY NOVEL SERIES OF ARGUMENTS
[01:51:08] SUGGESTING THAT ACTUALLY THIS IS
[01:51:11] REALLY ABOUT THE POWER OF THE POSTAL SERVICE. IT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
[01:51:15] WITH THE CONSTITUTION. SO, KIND OF CUTTING THROUGH ALL
[01:51:18] OF THAT, THEY WERE VERY
[01:51:25] TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATIONS FOR SIDING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.
[01:51:28] MY CONCERN WITH THE DISSENTING OPINION IS ONE POSSIBLE TAKE
[01:51:32] AWAY IS THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO CHALLENGE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
[01:51:36] AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY HARD,
[01:51:38] IF THE IMPLICATIONS COULD BE
[01:51:44] MASS DISENFRANCHISEMENT, THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T JUST BE ABLE TO
[01:51:48] GO TO COURT AND BE HEARD ON WHETHER THIS IS LEGAL, I THINK
[01:51:50] THAT'S A PRETTY WEAK ARGUMENT
[01:51:53] THAT IS ONE WAY OF INTERPRETING THE DISSENTING JUSTICES POINT OF VIEW.
[01:51:57] IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS THE KIND OF THING PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A JUDGE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
[01:52:01] HOST: WERE YOU SURPRISED TO SEE
[01:52:04] JUSTICE KAVANAUGH, WHO WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PICK IN THAT
[01:52:08] VERY INFAMOUS HEARING
[01:52:11] NOMINATION, ETC., JOINED THE
[01:52:15] LEFT-LEANING JUSTICES IN DENYING THE PRESIDENT'S ORDER?
[01:52:17] GUEST: IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT IS
[01:52:21] SURPRISING AND NOT SURPRISING WITH THIS MAJORITY, PARTICULARLY
[01:52:25] WITH THE SPECTER JUSTICE KAVANAUGH AND JUSTICE AMY CONEY
[01:52:28] BARRETT, AND THE CHIEF JUSTICE, WHO TEND TO SOMETIMES WILL JOIN
[01:52:31] THE MORE MODERATE FRANKLY
[01:52:35] JUSTICES ON THE COURT. I WOULD NOT EVEN CALL THEM LIBERAL.
[01:52:37] I WAS SOMEWHAT SURPRISED, JUST
[01:52:39] BECAUSE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME
[01:52:42] THIS ISSUE CAME BEFORE THE COURT ON AN EMERGENCY MOTION AND THE
[01:52:45] LAST TIME THE COURT SIDED WITH
[01:52:48] THE PRESIDENT.
[01:52:55] THERE WAS SOME STORY ABOUT HOW IT WENT UP AND DOWN TO THE SUPREME COURT.
[01:52:59] SO I THINK THERE WAS A REAL
[01:53:01] CHANCE THAT JUSTICE KAVANAUGH, JUSTICE AMY CONEY BARRETT COULD
[01:53:04] HAVE JOINED A MAJORITY HERE AND
[01:53:07] THAT WE WOULD BE IN COMPLETE
[01:53:09] CHAOS, PROBABLY BETWEEN NOW AND THE MIDTERMS, EVEN IF THERE WAS
[01:53:14] A LEGAL JUSTIFICATION, WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE IS, FOR THE
[01:53:17] PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE ORDER. I SHOULD ALSO SAY, THERE IS ALSO
[01:53:21] SOMETHING CALLED THE PERSONNEL PRINCIPAL, WHERE THE --
[01:53:25] PER CELL PRINCIPLE.
[01:53:35] THEY SAY ESSENTIALLY THIS IS DEMOCRACY FUNCTIONING UNLESS
[01:53:38] IT'S A REAL -- AND UNLESS IT'S A
[01:53:42] REAL FOUR ALARM FIRE, WE WILL DEAL WITH THIS AFTER THE ELECTIONS.
[01:53:46] I THINK IT WAS IMPLIED IN HIS
[01:53:47] CONCURRING OPINION, HE WAS JUST OF THE MINDSET THAT THIS IS TOO
[01:53:53] CLOSE. WE ARE JUDGES, JUSTICES, WE ARE NOT ELECTED. WE ARE HERE FOR LIFE.
[01:53:57] WE ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE AT THE BALLOT BOX.
[01:53:59] THIS IS DEMOCRACY FUNCTIONING, PEOPLE GOING AND VOTING.
[01:54:02] IT'S NOT UP TO FIVE PEOPLE IN
[01:54:04] ROBES TO STEP IN AT THIS LATE MOMENT, WHEN I SAID THE
[01:54:09] CONSTITUTION GIVES THIS AUTHORITY TO THE STATES AND CONGRESS.
[01:54:12] THERE IS NOT A WORD IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT GIVES THE PRESIDENT ANY ROLE IN FEDERAL
[01:54:16] ELECTIONS. IF WE WANT THAT TO CHANGE, WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION.
[01:54:19] HOST: I WANT TO INVITE OUR
[01:54:23] VIEWERS TO JOIN IN ON THE CONVERSATION TO ASK KIM
[01:54:26] QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS LADED MAY
[01:54:29] -- LATEST MAIL-IN BALLOT RULING. DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE IS (202)
[01:54:33] 748-8000. REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE IS (202)
[01:54:37] 748-8001. INDEPENDENTS, YOUR LINE IS (202)
[01:54:41] 748-8002. START CALLING IT NOW SO YOU CAN
[01:54:45] PEPPER KIM WITH SOME QUESTIONS. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
[01:54:48] PRESIDENT'S REACTION TO THIS RULING. OBVIOUSLY, HE WAS PRETTY UPSET ABOUT IT.
[01:54:53] AND ON TRUTH SOCIAL, HE POSTED
[01:54:55] THESE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE I INTERVIEWED TO SERVE ON THE
[01:54:58] UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. THEY ARE MERELY A SHELL OF THEIR
[01:55:02] ORIGINAL SELVES. A PORT THAT IS COSTING THE UNITED STATES TRILLIONS OF
[01:55:06] DOLLARS WITH SHOCKINGLY BAD RULINGS THAT ARE OF SUCH
[01:55:09] MAGNITUDE THAT IT WILL -- WON'T
[01:55:15] BE EASILY POSSIBLE FOR OUR COUNTRY TO HEAL OR RECOVER.
[01:55:19] ATTORNEY GENERAL TODD BLANCHE WAS AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND HE RESPONDED TO THAT TRUTH SOCIAL POST. TAKE A LISTEN.
[01:55:23] >> OF COURSE, WE ARE GOING TO
[01:55:27] COMPLY WITH THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION, AS WE ALWAYS DO. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE ARE
[01:55:31] NOT GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT WE CAN
[01:55:33] TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE FAIR ELECTIONS.
[01:55:38] THERE IS THIS CONSTANT PRESSURE
[01:55:41] IN THIS EFFORT BY THE MEDIA AND
[01:55:44] MOSTLY BY DEMOCRATS, THAT SOMEHOW DOING THAT IS A BAD THING.
[01:55:47] EVERYBODY SHOULD WANT THAT. REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SHOULD
[01:55:50] WANT FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. SO, WHILE THE SUPREME COURT DID
[01:55:54] WHAT IT DID, WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP THE WORK WE ARE DOING.
[01:55:57] WHAT WE ARE OF COURSE GOING TO FOLLOW THE ORDERS OF THE COURT.
[01:56:00] AS FAR AS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
[01:56:02] TRUTH ABOUT THE JUSTICES, HE'S VERY FRUSTRATED.
[01:56:07] I WAS NOT AT THE INTERVIEWS THAT
[01:56:09] HE WAS -- THAT HE PARTICIPATED IN DURING THE LAST
[01:56:12] ADMINISTRATION, WHEN HE SELECTED THESE FOLKS TO BE ON THE SUPREME
[01:56:16] COURT. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT.
[01:56:18] AND INDEED, HE SHOULD
[01:56:21] COMMUNICATE HIS CONCERNS WITH THE SUPREME COURT, WHENEVER HE HAS THEM.
[01:56:25] THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THAT HE'S DONE AND IT WON'T BE THE LAST.
[01:56:28] HE'S ALSO PUBLICLY VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE SUPREME
[01:56:31] COURT, WHEN THERE'S DECISIONS THAT HE VERY MUCH AGREES WITH.
[01:56:34] THAT'S WHAT A DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT. DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT AND
[01:56:38] PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING CRITICAL OF FOLKS ON THE SUPREME COURT.
[01:56:42] WE VERY MUCH DISAGREE WITH THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION.
[01:56:44] THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS FROM OUR PAPERS AND FROM WHAT WE HAVE
[01:56:48] SAID PUBLICLY ABOUT THE CASE.
[01:56:50] AND SO, I -- I AM ALSO UPSET
[01:56:54] ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT DECISION. BUT, THE IDEA THAT PRESIDENT
[01:56:57] TRUMP SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO COMMUNICATE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HIS FRUSTRATION, I DON'T SHARE THAT.
[01:57:02] HOST: WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO
[01:57:05] ATTORNEY GENERAL TODD BLANCHE? GUEST: HONESTLY I'M REALLY HAPPY
[01:57:09] TO HEAR AND AMERICANS SHOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES SAY
[01:57:12] THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
[01:57:14] GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE SUPREME COURT RULING. THERE HAVE BEEN HUNDREDS OF
[01:57:18] LOWER FEDERAL COURT RULINGS REPORTEDLY THAT THE JUSTICE
[01:57:21] DEPARTMENT HAS NOT COMPLIED WITH AND LOWER FEDERAL COURT JUDGES ARE FRUSTRATED.
[01:57:24] SOME OF THEM HAVE ALSO BEEN PUT IN HARM'S WAY.
[01:57:28] AND PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
[01:57:30] THE ROLE OF MANY PEOPLE -- MANY
[01:57:35] PEOPLE IT SEEMS LIKE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE ROLE OF
[01:57:39] FEDERAL COURT JUDGES IS TO CALL
[01:57:40] BALLS AND STRIKES BASED ON
[01:57:44] FEDERAL LAW. IT'S NOT TO --
[01:57:49] THEY WERE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[01:57:51] TODD BLANCHE'S ARGUMENT AND THE
[01:57:54] ARGUMENT BEHIND THE EXECUTIVE ORDER ON MAIL-IN VOTING, THE
[01:57:58] ARGUMENT THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE
[01:58:01] BEHIND FRAUD FREE ELECTIONS,
[01:58:03] THAT -- THAT'S A UNIVERSAL
[01:58:07] PRINCIPLE. THE ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S NO
[01:58:09] PROBLEM THERE IN A REALISTIC
[01:58:13] WAY.
[01:58:13] STATISTICS SHOW .00043% OF VOTES
[01:58:21] ARE FRAUDULENT, HISTORICALLY, IN ELECTIONS.
[01:58:27] 30% OF AMERICANS WILL VOTE BY
[01:58:32] MAIL INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF. HE VOTES BY MAIL. THERE IS NOT FRAUD.
[01:58:37] IT IS INFINITESIMAL. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT THE
[01:58:39] AMERICAN TAXPAYER SHOULD BE WORRYING ABOUT OR HAVE THEIR
[01:58:43] TAXPAYER DOLLARS GO TOWARD. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE UNITED STATES.
[01:58:46] I KNOW THE CALLERS KNOW THIS MORE INTIMATELY THAN ANY ONE
[01:58:49] PERSON DOES IN THEIR OWN LIVES.
[01:58:53] THAT I THINK IS A RUSE AND THE BIGGER CONCERN HERE IS THAT THIS
[01:58:57] IS BEING USED TO ACTUALLY PUT
[01:58:58] THE THUMB ON THE SCALE, A POLITICAL THUMB ON THE SCALE OF
[01:59:03] THE ELECTIONS, AND TAKE THE FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS AWAY FROM THE
[01:59:06] AMERICAN PEOPLE. BECAUSE AS I SAID BEFORE, THE
[01:59:10] CONCERN WITH THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER IS IN ORDER TO PROGRESS --
[01:59:15] ADDRESS .00043% OF FRAUD, WHICH
[01:59:19] IS ALREADY A FELONY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, SO PEOPLE DON'T
[01:59:21] DO IT, IN ORDER TO GET IT DOWN EVEN MORE, WE ARE GOING TO
[01:59:26] TOLERATE DISENFRANCHISING PEOPLE THROUGH CHAOS AND A SYSTEM THAT
[01:59:29] THE POSTAL SERVICE DOES NOT EVEN HALF. IT'S NOT EVEN SET UP.
[01:59:32] IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY LOGICAL SENSE. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A LAWYER,
[01:59:36] YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.
[01:59:38] JUST NEED TO HAVE COMMON SENSE TO SAY LISTEN, WE ARE NOT A MONARCHY.
[01:59:42] WE ARE A DEMOCRACY. AND THAT MEANS THAT THE PEOPLE
[01:59:46] ARE THE BOSSES OF OUR GOVERNMENT ACTORS, AND THE WAY THAT WE SHOW
[01:59:50] WHETHER WE WANT THEM IN OFFICE OR NOT, WHETHER YOU ARE HIRED OR FIRED, IS TO GO TO THE BALLOT BOX.
[01:59:56] AND THERE JUST ISN'T THIS WIDESPREAD FRAUD TO JUSTIFY
[01:59:58] TAKING THAT FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE
[02:00:03] VALIDLY AT THE BALLOT BOX.
[02:00:07] HOST: ONE QUESTION WE HAVE FROM TWITTER HERE, COULD A STATE HAVE
[02:00:12] ADOPTED THE TRUMP POST OFFICE
[02:00:14] RULE FOR THAT STATE, IF IT SHOWS?
[02:00:17] IF SO, WHY DO YOU THINK NOT HAVE DONE SO?
[02:00:21] GUEST: THERE ARE TWO BIG PIECES
[02:00:25] OF THIS RULE. ONE WAS LETTERS WENT OUT TO STATES.
[02:00:29] THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE INJUNCTIONS THAT FEDERAL COURTS
[02:00:32] HAVE ISSUED BASICALLY WHERE --
[02:00:36] AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TRYING TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT
[02:00:39] VOTERS FROM THE STATES.
[02:00:41] ONE IS HAND OVER ELIGIBLE VOTER
[02:00:44] LISTS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
[02:00:47] SO THERE ARE PRIVACY LAW
[02:00:49] QUESTIONS AND STATES DON'T
[02:00:53] NECESSARILY HAVE THESE THINGS AT THE READY, PURSUANT TO THAT CRITERIA THAT DONALD TRUMP
[02:00:58] PROPOSED IN THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER AND THERE IS THIS IDEA THAT THE
[02:01:02] FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS DIRECTED TO USE FEDERAL INFORMATION TO
[02:01:05] COMPILE VOTER ELIGIBILITY LISTS
[02:01:07] SO STATES HAVE THE AUTHORITY
[02:01:11] OVER ELECTIONS FOR THE MOST PART
[02:01:14] APPEAR IN THEY CAN DO WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CONSTITUTION
[02:01:17] WHAT THEY WANT PURSUANT TO STATE LAW SO STATE LEGISLATORS DECIDED
[02:01:21] WITHIN THE RULES OF THE STATE, WE LIKE THESE IDEAS.
[02:01:24] THE PARTS IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER WE LIKE WE WILL CHANGE OUR STATE
[02:01:28] LAW TO GO ALONG WITH IT. WE THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.
[02:01:33] THAT IS, SO LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH STATE LAW AND OTHER AUTONOMY ISSUES, PERFECTLY FINE.
[02:01:38] BUT ONE STATE HANDING OVER THEIR
[02:01:42] INFORMATION TO THE POST OFFICE WOULD THEN CREATE THIS AUDITING
[02:01:45] SYSTEM AND SPECIAL BALLOTS, ALL OF THAT. I THINK THE THEORY BEHIND THE
[02:01:50] PRESIDENT'S ORDER IS A
[02:01:54] NATIONWIDE AUDITING SYSTEM FOR
[02:01:57] VOTERS, BASICALLY, AND I DON'T THINK ONE OR TWO STATES WILL BE
[02:01:59] IN A POSITION EVEN IF THEY WERE AMENABLE TO GO ALONG WITH IT TO
[02:02:02] CREATE WHAT THE PRESIDENT WANTS
[02:02:06] FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
[02:02:10] HOST: JAN FROM OREGON, DEMOCRAT,
[02:02:15] GOOD MORNING.
[02:02:16] CALLER: LAWYERS THINK THAT LAW
[02:02:24] CARRIES WEIGHT AND I SEE A LOT
[02:02:26] OF GNASHING OF TEETH AND NOTHING
[02:02:30] EVER HAPPENS.
[02:02:31] WHEN LAWLESSNESS WILL ACTUALLY
[02:02:34] DESTROY LIFE AND WHAT I SEE WITH
[02:02:39] VOTING IS IT IS THE MOST
[02:02:43] EFFICIENT WAY TO MAKE SURE
[02:02:46] EVERYONE'S VOTE IS COUNTED AND
[02:02:48] THEY HAVE EVERY SEAT TO SAY THIS
[02:02:53] MAN VOTED OR THIS WOMAN VOTED IN
[02:02:58] THIS ELECTION AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE IN THIS ELECTION
[02:03:01] SO COULD YOU ADDRESS THIS, PLEASE?
[02:03:04] GUEST: YOU MAKE A GOOD THRESHOLD
[02:03:07] POINT THAT I TALK A LOT ABOUT WHEN I SPEAK GENERALLY ABOUT
[02:03:11] LAWYERS AND THE LAW, WHICH IS WE HAVE LAWS AND THEN WE HAVE THE
[02:03:14] IDEA OF ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS.
[02:03:17] SO WE HAVE SPEED LIMITS AND IT
[02:03:19] MIGHT SAY YOU GO 35 MILES PER
[02:03:23] HOUR AND PEOPLE WILL GO 50 MILES PER HOUR UNTIL THEY GET A TICKET IN THE MAIL.
[02:03:27] IT IS THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW THAT ACTUALLY MAKES THE LAW
[02:03:30] MEANINGFUL AND THIS IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE ARE HAVING NOW
[02:03:34] IN AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, THAT LAWS
[02:03:37] ARE JUST NOT BEING COMPLIED WITH
[02:03:39] AND THERE IS NO TICKETS BEING ISSUED FOR SPEEDING BY OUR
[02:03:43] ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE LAWS UNDER THE NEW
[02:03:46] LAWS BECOME OPTIONAL AND THEN WE
[02:03:49] HAVE A SOCIETY THAT IS LAWLESS
[02:03:52] AND THAT MEANS BASIC RIGHTS AND
[02:03:54] SAFETY GO BY THE WAYSIDE FOR
[02:03:58] EVERYONE, NOT JUST REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS AND THAT IS A
[02:04:02] PRIMARY THEME THAT GETS LOST IN THIS PARTISANSHIP, THAT IT IS
[02:04:05] REALLY GOOD THAT WE HAVE THE RULE OF LAW.
[02:04:08] THAT MAKES OUR LIVES EASIER AND
[02:04:10] BETTER THAN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
[02:04:13] IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD. THE ISSUE OF MAIL-IN BALLOT --
[02:04:17] EVERY STATE ACTUALLY HAS SOME
[02:04:21] FORM OF MAIL-IN BALLOT SYSTEM. THERE IS SOME WHERE EVERYONE
[02:04:25] GETS A MAIL-IN BALLOT. I THINK UTAH AND CALIFORNIA ARE
[02:04:29] TWO EXAMPLES. THERE ARE STATES WHERE YOU CAN OPT IN FOR A MAIL-IN BALLOT AND
[02:04:32] STATES WHERE YOU CAN OPT IN AND
[02:04:35] YOU HAVE TO HAVE A JUSTIFICATION OR REASON.
[02:04:37] IF YOU ARE IN THE MILITARY OR
[02:04:40] LIVING ABROAD, FEDERAL LAW SAYS YOU GET A MAIL-IN BALLOT AND
[02:04:43] MAIL-IN BALLOTS ARE HELPFUL NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE OVERSEAS BUT FOR
[02:04:48] ELDERLY, FOR LOWER INCOME FOLKS OR PEOPLE THAT ARE -- DON'T
[02:04:51] NECESSARILY HAVE A CAR. THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO GO TO A
[02:04:55] POLLING PLACE OR THEIR JOB DOES NOT MAKE IT FLEXIBLE TO BE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY VOTE ON THE DAY OR
[02:04:59] PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND WE
[02:05:02] HAVE -- I KNOW THE LAST HOUR WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AI.
[02:05:06] WE ARE A TECHNICAL SOCIETY AND WE BANK ONLINE AND DO ALL KINDS
[02:05:09] OF THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL AND PRIVATE.
[02:05:13] WE HAVE DOCTORS VISITS ONLINE.
[02:05:13] THERE ARE WAYS TO USE THE MAIL
[02:05:17] SYSTEM AND TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE THINGS SECURE.
[02:05:20] THERE ARE DEBATES AS TO HOW TO DO THAT WITH VOTING SO SOME PEOPLE THINK PENCIL AND PAPER
[02:05:26] ARE IDEAL. I THINK THIS BOGEYMAN AROUND
[02:05:30] FRAUD AND MAIL-IN BALLOTS IS NOT
[02:05:32] AN ACTUAL PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO
[02:05:35] PRIORITIZE IF YOU ARE GOING INTO
[02:05:39] THE ER AND YOUR HEART STOPPED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BROKEN ANKLE
[02:05:42] YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DOCTORS GET YOUR HEART GOING.
[02:05:46] THIS FRAUDULENT VOTING IS A BROKEN TOENAIL.
[02:05:49] IT IS NOT EVEN A BROKEN ANKLE.
[02:05:57] .00043 ARE THE STATISTICALLY THE
[02:05:58] NUMBER OF FRAUDULENT VOTERS,
[02:06:01] INCLUDING NONCITIZENS, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE IT IS A FELONY
[02:06:03] AND PEOPLE DON'T TEND TO VOTE
[02:06:06] AND POTENTIALLY GO TO JAIL ON ONE VOTE AND RISK EVERYTHING FOR THAT.
[02:06:11] HOST: SALLY SAYS ON THIS ISSUE,
[02:06:15] IF A FUTURE ADMINISTRATION
[02:06:16] WANTED RULES FOR MAIL-IN VOTING,
[02:06:20] WHAT WOULD IT NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY TO MAKE THOSE RULES LEGALLY DURABLE?
[02:06:26] GUEST: THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO
[02:06:30] THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, WHICH IN THIS MOMENT DONALD TRUMP -- THE REPUBLICANS CONTROL
[02:06:33] BOTH CHAMBERS SO THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION.
[02:06:36] THE FIRST ONE OF THESE MAIL-IN
[02:06:40] BALLOT EXECUTIVE ORDERS WAS ISSUED IN 2025 AND STOPPED BY
[02:06:44] THE COURSE OF THIS HAS BEEN ON
[02:06:45] HIS MIND SINCE HE BEGAN THIS
[02:06:50] TERM AND HE COULD HAVE GONE TO
[02:06:51] HIS FRIENDS ON CAPITOL HILL AND
[02:06:55] GOTTEN A FEDERAL LAW PASSED FOR FEDERAL ELECTIONS.
[02:06:59] IF YOU HAVE REGISTERED TO VOTE
[02:07:00] AT THE DMV IN YOUR STATE, THAT
[02:07:04] IS AN EXAMPLE OF A FEDERAL LAW THAT APPLIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
[02:07:09] THERE MIGHT BE DETAILS IN A
[02:07:10] FEDERAL LAW, STATUTORY LAW THAT
[02:07:14] WOULD HAVE CHALLENGES, JUDICIAL CHALLENGES UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
[02:07:18] WE ARE TALKING THEORETICALLY BUT THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT
[02:07:22] WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW
[02:07:25] , NOT GET PEOPLE STRESSED OR ANXIOUS ABOUT ANY OF THIS.
[02:07:29] THAT IS HOW OUR SEPARATION OF POWERS FUNCTIONS.
[02:07:32] CONGRESS MAKES LAWS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT APPLY NATIONWIDE SO LONG AS THEY
[02:07:36] COMPLY WITH THE CONSTITUTION. HOST: RONNIE FROM FLORIDA,
[02:07:40] REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING.
[02:07:42] CALLER: SOME STATES OPERATE
[02:07:47] DIFFERENTLY, LIKE CALIFORNIA DOES MASS MAIL OUT BALLOTS TO
[02:07:49] ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE THAT ESSENTIALLY ALLOW BALLOT
[02:07:52] HARVESTING WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO DOOR-TO-DOOR AND SAY DID YOU GET YOUR BALLOT?
[02:07:57] HERE'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO. I WANT YOU TO FILL THIS OUT.
[02:08:00] I KNOW THE LONG-TERM CARE
[02:08:05] BUSINESS, THE RESIDENT AND NURSING HOME BUSINESS, THEIR
[02:08:09] ORGANIZATIONS THAT ACTUALLY
[02:08:12] EXHIBIT TRADESHOWS LOOKING TO GET TO ADMINISTRATORS TO SAY I
[02:08:14] WANT TO COME IN AND REGISTER AND
[02:08:18] TALK TO ALL YOUR RESIDENCE TO GET ALL YOUR RESIDENTS TO VOTE A
[02:08:22] CERTAIN WAY.
[02:08:22] IN NORTH CAROLINA, STATES HAVE
[02:08:27] MOTOR VOTER LAWS. I HAVE GONE TO GET MY LICENSE
[02:08:30] AND I HAVE GONE UP AND THEY SAID, DO YOU WANT TO READ SURE
[02:08:33] TO VOTE? I SAID I DON'T AND THEY SAID,
[02:08:36] REALLY, DO YOU WANT TO REGISTER TO VOTE?
[02:08:39] I SAID NO AND THEY SAID YOU HAVE
[02:08:41] TO SIGN SOMETHING TO GIVE A
[02:08:44] AFFIDAVIT THAT WE HAVE ASKED YOU TO VOTE AND YOU HAVE NOT AND YOU
[02:08:48] HAVE AGREED NOT TO VOTE.
[02:08:50] IN THAT PARTICULAR DMV THERE
[02:08:52] WERE MANY PEOPLE IN LINE WHO DID
[02:08:55] NOT SPEAK ENGLISH THAT I SUSPECT WERE NOT CITIZENS SO I WAS
[02:08:59] THINKING IN MY MIND, IF YOU ARE GOING TO EVERY PERSON
[02:09:03] INTIMIDATING THEM TO REGISTER TO VOTE AND THEY ARE GETTING
[02:09:05] DRIVER'S LICENSE, ILLEGAL
[02:09:09] PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CITIZENS, ARE GETTING DRIVERS
[02:09:12] LICENSES, IS INTO THAT A RECIPE FOR FRAUD?
[02:09:14] GUEST: THIS IS A GREAT HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION.
[02:09:20] I THINK GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED,
[02:09:23] DATING BACK TO THE JANUARY 6 CHAOS AND VIOLENCE AT THE UNITED
[02:09:27] STATE CAPITAL, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF NATIONAL ATTENTION ON
[02:09:31] THIS. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PRIORITIES FOR MANY
[02:09:34] YEARS NOW WITH PRESUMABLY A LOT
[02:09:36] OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR THE FRAUD
[02:09:41] AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE FRAUD.
[02:09:44] A LOT OF RESOURCES, A LOT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS INVESTIGATING
[02:09:47] THIS SCENARIO YOU PAINT AND I
[02:09:49] THINK THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE
[02:09:51] NOT FOUND THE FRAUD, JUST A
[02:09:56] HANDFUL OF 100 PLUS OVER THE LAST -- I DON'T HAVE THE
[02:10:01] STATISTICS IN HAND, BUT NOT MANY
[02:10:05] ACTUAL CASES OF FRAUD THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND DESPITE THE RESOURCES
[02:10:08] LOOKING FOR THAT FRAUD, I THINK
[02:10:11] THAT IS A GOOD THING. IT IS A GOOD THING THAT WE
[02:10:14] CANNOT FIND THE FRAUD. THAT MEANS WE HAVE A FUNCTIONING
[02:10:17] DEMOCRACY AND WE SHOULD REALLY ALL BE WORKING TO KEEP IT.
[02:10:21] IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE ARE
[02:10:22] PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING ELDERLY
[02:10:26] WHO ARE IN HOMES OR FACILITIES
[02:10:28] WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS BUT THEY ARE CITIZENS, THEY HAVE A
[02:10:32] RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY IN THEIR
[02:10:35] DEMOCRACY AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING THEM, THAT IS
[02:10:39] ALSO A GOOD THING. THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM SOMEONE CRIMINALLY VOTING.
[02:10:46] IMAGINE -- YOU'RE GOING TO SAY I'M GOING TO FRAUDULENT VOTE. THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM MISTAKES.
[02:10:53] BUT FOR ONE VOTE YOU'RE GOING TO
[02:10:57] THREATEN YOUR LIBERTY TO POTENTIALLY GO TO FEDERAL PRISON? I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE ARE
[02:11:01] GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND,
[02:11:06] AGAIN, THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE HAVE NOT BEEN MUCH FRAUD THAT
[02:11:09] HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, NOTWITHSTANDING A LOT OF
[02:11:13] RESOURCES AND POLITICAL ENERGY
[02:11:16] GOING AROUND THIS ISSUE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
[02:11:20] MISINFORMATION THAT SOMEHOW THIS IS A PROBLEM. IT IS REALLY NOT FACTUALLY A PROBLEM.
[02:11:24] WE HAVE OTHER SERIOUS PROBLEMS,
[02:11:26] ECONOMIC PROBLEMS IN UNITED
[02:11:31] STATES. VOTERS KNOW IN THEIR OWN LIVES
[02:11:34] WHAT THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THE TOP ONES,
[02:11:38] NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE THINGS
[02:11:39] THAT ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS SHOULD GO TO FIXING.
[02:11:46] HOST: TERRY FROM WASHINGTON,
[02:11:50] D.C., AND INDEPENDENT. CALLER: I HAVE A HYPOTHETICAL ALSO.
[02:11:57] AS IT POSSIBLE THAT SPEAKER
[02:11:59] JOHNSON IN SOME WEIRD SCENARIO
[02:12:02] WOULD NOT -- IF THERE ARE A LOT
[02:12:05] OF DEMOCRATS THAT WIN, IS IT
[02:12:07] POSSIBLE HE WILL NOT SEE TO IN JANUARY?
[02:12:11] I WILL TAKE MY ANSWER OFF THE AIR.
[02:12:13] GUEST: ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION HERE IN THE VIEWERS REALLY ARE
[02:12:17] ON TOP OF THESE ISSUES.
[02:12:20] SO A JUDGE WHO WAS A VERY HIGHLY
[02:12:27] RESPECTED CONSERVATIVE JUDGE ON THE SHORTLIST FOR THE UNITED
[02:12:29] STATE SUPREME COURT, NECK AND
[02:12:34] NECK WITH CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS, HE RECENTLY DID A COLUMN ON THIS
[02:12:38] WHERE HE POSITED THAT ORR SUGGESTED THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE
[02:12:41] NOT BECAUSE THE SPEAKER HAS ANY
[02:12:47] TECHNICAL POWER OVER MIDTERMS. WE KNOW THERE IS A PRESIDENTIAL
[02:12:50] HANDOFF THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE
[02:12:54] UNITED STATES CONGRESS TO COUNT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES.
[02:12:57] THAT IS WHEN THE PROBLEM WAS IN
[02:13:01] 2021, 2020 WITH THE 2020
[02:13:05] ELECTION IN 2021 HANDOVER OF POWER BUT SPEAKER JOHNSON ACCORDING TO THE JUDGE NOTES
[02:13:09] THAT HE -- THE CLERK OF THE
[02:13:14] HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DOES
[02:13:14] HAVE TO DO SOME HOUSEKEEPING TO
[02:13:19] ACTUALLY CREATE THE ROLE, THE
[02:13:22] LIST OF THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
[02:13:26] THE SPEAKER HAS I THINK HE IS IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OF THIS
[02:13:29] CLERK AND THERE COULD BE
[02:13:33] SHENANIGANS THAT WOULD BASICALLY
[02:13:35] CREATE A SITUATION WHERE CERTAIN
[02:13:38] NEWLY ELECTED DEMOCRATS WERE NOT
[02:13:43] GETTING ON THE ROLES AND CANNOT FUNCTION AND WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE COURTS AND THE SUPREME COURT
[02:13:47] SO WE WOULD HAVE WEEKS OF IT
[02:13:50] SITTING AND NOT HAVING A FUNCTION CONGRESS OR FUNCTIONING -- NOT HAVING DEMOCRATS
[02:13:55] REPRESENTED AS VOTERS DESIRE.
[02:13:57] THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM STATE CERTIFICATIONS.
[02:14:00] THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS
[02:14:02] OF PEOPLE AT THE STATE LEVEL, A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS AND PATRIOTS
[02:14:06] THAT DO THIS FOR THE REST OF US
[02:14:09] AND THEY WILL HAVE TO CERTIFY THEIR OWN ELECTION RESULTS AND
[02:14:14] HOPEFULLY, I ASSUME, THEY ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND THE
[02:14:17] DUTY TO THEIR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND FELLOW AMERICANS
[02:14:21] AND PROPERLY COUNT THOSE VOTES SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE
[02:14:23] COULD BE CONFUSION BUT UNTIL
[02:14:28] NOW, 2026, WE HAVE HAD FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY
[02:14:31] AND THAT KEEPS THE POWER IN THE
[02:14:34] PEOPLE AND NOT IN THE POWERFUL PEER AND PUTTING THE POWER WITH
[02:14:37] THE POWERFUL IS MORPHING AMERICA
[02:14:40] INTO SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT,
[02:14:43] MORE LIKE A MONARCHY AND WE HAVE
[02:14:46] ALL WATCHED THE MUSICAL HAMILTON .
[02:14:48] 250 YEARS AGO, THAT WAS REJECTED
[02:14:52] BY OUR FOREFATHERS AND MOTHERS. HOST: SOMETHING ELSE WE SAW THIS
[02:14:56] WEEK WAS THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS PHOTOGRAPHED ON AIR FORCE ONE
[02:15:02] LOOKING OVER DEMOLITION PLANS FOR THE KENNEDY CENTER, TALKING
[02:15:05] ABOUT HOW HE -- TALK ABOUT HOW
[02:15:10] HE IS CIRCUMVENTING A JUDGE ORDER TO REMOVE HIS NAME FROM
[02:15:13] THE FACADE. YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE SCREEN.
[02:15:17] IT SAYS KENNEDY DEMOLITION.
[02:15:21] OR SEEMS TO SAY KENNEDY CENTER DEMOLITION IN ANOTHER PHOTO.
[02:15:25] CAN HE LEGALLY TEAR DOWN THE KENNEDY CENTER?
[02:15:29] GUEST: LEGALLY, THIS IS LIKE THE
[02:15:34] SPEEDING TICKET ANALOGY. NO. IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
[02:15:38] BUT I THINK JUSTICE JACKSON SAID
[02:15:42] THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION IS PLAYING A CATCH ME IF YOU CAN GAME.
[02:15:48] I'M NOT GOING TO ASK FOR PERMISSION OR FORGIVENESS.
[02:15:50] I'M GOING TO DO THESE THINGS AND
[02:15:53] DARE ANYBODY IN THE SYSTEM TO MAKE ME STOP.
[02:15:57] AND THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT,
[02:16:01] INCLUDING THREE JUSTICES WHO WERE CHOSEN BY DONALD, HAVE
[02:16:03] SIDED WITH DONALD TRUMP.
[02:16:06] IT IS IRONIC TO HEAR THE
[02:16:12] PRESIDENT COMPLAIN BECAUSE THESE JUSTICES ON EMERGENCY MOTIONS
[02:16:15] HAVE CITED TIME AND TIME AGAIN
[02:16:17] WITH THE PRESIDENT IN LANGUAGE
[02:16:21] THAT, AS A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
[02:16:23] PERSON, DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME.
[02:16:26] THE CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE FOUR OF THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE
[02:16:30] POWER OVER FEDERAL PROPERTY TO
[02:16:32] CONGRESS AND STATUTORY LAW MAKES
[02:16:36] CLEAR CONGRESS DECIDES THAT.
[02:16:37] IF YOU ARE RENTING AN APARTMENT
[02:16:41] OR VISITING A FRIEND FOR THE WEEKEND BECAUSE THEY ARE AWAY AND USING THEIR HOUSE, JUST
[02:16:45] BECAUSE YOU ARE THERE DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO TEAR DOWN PART OF THE HOUSE.
[02:16:51] PRESIDENTS ARE BORROWING THAT SPACE. THEY DON'T OWN IT.
[02:16:55] AND THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE
[02:16:59] AUTHORITY AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH THE SPACE TO THE MORE ENDURING,
[02:17:04] MORE REPRESENTATIVE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS BUT NOT ONLY HAS
[02:17:07] THE PRESIDENT IGNORE THE
[02:17:10] CONSTITUTION AND FEDERAL LAW AND
[02:17:13] JUDICIAL DECISIONS, BUT IN ONE
[02:17:16] OF THESE EMERGENCY MOTIONS RECENTLY MAJORITY THE SUPREME
[02:17:19] COURT IS GREEN LIGHTING LETTING HIM DO IT AND THIS IS REALLY DISTURBING.
[02:17:23] HOST: YOU ARE TALKING GUEST:
[02:17:33] ABOUT THE BALLROOM SPECIFICALLY. THE BALLROOM SPECIFICALLY. THERE WAS A CASE INVOLVING THE BALLROOM AND THE TEARING DOWN OF THE BALLROOM AND THE COURT
[02:17:36] BASICALLY IN AN EMERGENCY RULING SIDED WITH THE PRESIDENT, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT IT IS
[02:17:39] THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS AUTHORITY SO WHAT IS HIS
[02:17:42] INCENTIVE -- ANY PRESIDENT'S
[02:17:45] INCENTIVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW? THERE REALLY IS NOT AND WE WILL HAVE TO SEE AFTER THIS
[02:17:50] PRESIDENCY IF THAT ATTITUDE
[02:17:53] CONTINUES WITH FUTURE PRESIDENTS. THAT IS A DAY AND RECEIVE AFFAIRS.
[02:17:56] HOST: JOHN FROM NEW YORK,
[02:18:00] INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING.
[02:18:01] CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[02:18:06] I AM A VIETNAM VET.
[02:18:10] I AM 80 YEARS OLD. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE VOTING.
[02:18:16] WHY ISN'T ELECTION TO FEDERAL HOLIDAY?
[02:18:24] SINCE MY LIFETIME, I HAVE SEEN ALL THESE OTHER HOLIDAYS BECOME
[02:18:29] MORE, IT MORE SO IN THE STATE,
[02:18:33] BUT THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE MAIL-IN VOTING AND SO ON.
[02:18:38] WHY IS IT NOT A FEDERAL HOLIDAY?
[02:18:40] GUEST: I ACTUALLY WROTE A BOOK CALLED WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW
[02:18:44] ABOUT VOTING AND WHY AND IN THAT
[02:18:48] BOOK I TALK ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES THAT TO YOUR POINT DO
[02:18:52] ALLOW A FEDERAL HOLIDAY AND IT
[02:18:56] IS ALMOST LIKE THE FOURTH OF JULY IN AMERICA.
[02:18:59] IT IS A DAY OF CELEBRATION AND
[02:19:02] THERE ARE SOME PLACES WITH
[02:19:05] DISINCENTIVES TO NOT VOTE AMOUNT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY A PENALTY.
[02:19:08] I DO NOT THINK THAT WOULD BE CONSTITUTIONAL IN UNITED STATES
[02:19:10] WITH THE IDEA IS IN THOSE
[02:19:13] COUNTRIES YOU COULD 80% OR HIGHER OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATING
[02:19:17] AND IN OUR COUNTRY, EVEN IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR IT IS
[02:19:21] AROUND 60% SO THE QUESTION IS
[02:19:23] WHERE IS THE POWER ACTUALLY
[02:19:26] LODGED IN AMERICA? IS IT IN THE REGULAR PEOPLE?
[02:19:31] IS IT IN BILLIONAIRES? IS IT IN THE SUPREME COURT?
[02:19:36] NONE OF THOSE ARE DEMOCRATICALLY
[02:19:36] ELECTED BODIES, THE LAST FEW, SO
[02:19:40] WHY DON'T WE HAVE THAT?
[02:19:42] BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE IN POWER
[02:19:47] DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE POWER. THE PEOPLE IN POWER WANT TO
[02:19:50] ENTRENCH THEIR POWER SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PUSH THOSE THINGS
[02:19:54] FORWARD AND I THINK THAT IS THE KIND OF THING WE ALL AS AMERICANS CAN GET BEHIND
[02:19:58] REGARDLESS OF PARTY, THAT WE
[02:20:00] TRUST EACH OTHER TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS MORE THAN WE TRUST
[02:20:04] POLITICIANS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN STAYING IN THE SEAT OF POWER.
[02:20:09] HOST: BRUCE FROM MOUNT PLEASANT,
[02:20:14] SOUTH CAROLINA, A DEMOCRAT. CALLER: WHY IS IT THAT DONALD
[02:20:19] TRUMP HAS BEEN HELL-BENT ON
[02:20:22] ELECTION VOTING BY MAIL AND
[02:20:26] STOPPING IT AND THE ASSUMPTION FOR SOME REASON, AND I NEVER
[02:20:29] UNDERSTOOD THIS, IS THAT THE
[02:20:32] MAIL-IN VOTING FRAUD IS ONLY
[02:20:37] PURSUED BY DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.
[02:20:40] IF THIS IS THE CASE, IF MAIL-IN
[02:20:43] VOTING CAN BE FRAUDULENTLY DONE, WHY IS IT THE ASSUMPTION THAT
[02:20:47] ONLY DEMOCRATS COULD BE DOING IT?
[02:20:49] REPUBLICANS ARE DOING IT, TO, THEN.
[02:20:53] MY ASSUMPTION IS OF DONALD TRUMP SERIOUS ABOUT THIS DOES HE
[02:20:57] REALIZE HE IS GOING TO LOSE REPUBLICAN VOTERS AS WELL AS DEMOCRATIC VOTERS?
[02:21:01] I THINK WE WOULD EVENLY BE
[02:21:05] SCREWED ON BOTH ENDS IF DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN SIDE
[02:21:08] SO THAT IS MY QUICK QUESTION TO YOU. THANK YOU.
[02:21:10] GUEST: THE FLIP SIDE IS TRUE AS
[02:21:13] WELL AND I THINK THIS IS IMPLIED IN YOUR QUESTION.
[02:21:16] NOT ONLY WILL THERE BE DEMOCRATS
[02:21:19] AND REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN LEANING FRAUDULENT VOTES, WHICH THERE IS
[02:21:23] NO EVIDENCE OF THAT, BUT BY
[02:21:26] MAKING IT HARDER TO VOTE BY MAIL YOU ARE DISENFRANCHISING AND
[02:21:29] CUTTING OFF PEOPLE THAT ARE
[02:21:33] REPUBLICANS AND BEFORE COVID THERE REALLY WAS NOT MUCH
[02:21:36] DISCUSSION ABOUT MAIL-IN VOTING. PEOPLE ACROSS POLITICAL
[02:21:40] SPECTRUMS LIKED IT. THERE WAS NOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
[02:21:45] THEN -- I CANNOT GET IN DONALD
[02:21:47] TRUMP'S MINE BUT I CAN SAY IF
[02:21:53] AMERICANS ARE SKEPTICAL OF EACH
[02:21:55] OTHER, SKEPTICAL OF INSTITUTIONS
[02:21:58] , THEY DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE,
[02:22:02] THAT MAKES REGULAR PEOPLE LOSE
[02:22:06] AUTHORITY AND AGENCY IN THE
[02:22:08] GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN UNISON MAKING DECISIONS
[02:22:12] BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST EACH
[02:22:13] OTHER SO IT DOES COME UP TO MY
[02:22:17] PRIOR POINT, ENHANCES THE POWER
[02:22:21] AT LEAST PSYCHOLOGICALLY, OF THE PEOPLE ALREADY IN POWER.
[02:22:24] WE SHOULD BE VERY SKEPTICAL IF ANYBODY IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
[02:22:29] ANYBODY THAT CONTROLS FEDERAL TAXPAYER DOLLARS IN THE MILITARY
[02:22:32] AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE
[02:22:36] PEOPLE'S LIBERTY AND LIFE AWAY.
[02:22:38] THERE SHOULD BE MORE SCRUTINY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE REINS OF
[02:22:41] POWER THAN OUR FRIENDS AND
[02:22:47] NEIGHBORS WHO ARE LEGITIMATE VOTERS. I JUST THINK THIS IS AN
[02:22:50] IMPORTANT QUESTION AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO PUT THEIR
[02:22:53] LOGICAL MIND HAT ON AND ASK
[02:22:58] YOURSELF, WHAT MAKES SENSE HERE? DO WE REALLY THINK THIS IS
[02:23:02] SOMETHING THAT IS HARMING MY
[02:23:06] LIFE RIGHT NOW?
[02:23:06] OR IS IT A DISTRACTION FROM WHAT
[02:23:10] THE POLITICIANS DON'T REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THE STUFF
[02:23:13] THAT REALLY MATTERS?
[02:23:18] HOST: DENISE FROM FLORIDA, A REPUBLICAN.
[02:23:22] GOOD MORNING. CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[02:23:27] MY COMMENT IS I LISTEN EVERY
[02:23:29] MORNING HERE IN THE PAST FEW MORNINGS, I HAVE HEARD MANY
[02:23:32] CALLERS SAY SPECIFICALLY THE
[02:23:37] PHRASE THAT MIKE JOHNSON IS NOT
[02:23:39] GOING TO SWEAR IN NEW CONGRESSPEOPLE. ENTER CONGRESS.
[02:23:43] I HAVE A GOOD MEMORY.
[02:23:46] I'M A BLIND WOMAN. IF I DO NOT REMEMBER THINGS, I
[02:23:49] WALK INTO WALLS. I WOULD SWEAR THE NANCY PELOSI,
[02:23:53] WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, DID NOT SWEAR IN IN A
[02:23:56] TIMELY FASHION THE CONGRESSWOMAN
[02:23:58] FROM TEXAS. TELL ME I AM WRONG AND PROVE IT.
[02:24:02] SHOW THE FOOTAGE.
[02:24:06] I BELIEVE SHE ALSO ELBOWED THE WOMAN'S DAUGHTER OUT OF THE PHOTO.
[02:24:10] GUEST: I DO NOT HAVE A MEMORY OF
[02:24:13] THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I THINK EVERYONE NOW IS
[02:24:15] CONCERNED ABOUT THIS UPCOMING ELECTION FOR GOOD REASON.
[02:24:21] WE HAVE SEEN AND MANY EXPERTS HAVE SAID THIS, WE HAVE SEEN THE
[02:24:23] DEGRADATION AND DESTRUCTION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY
[02:24:27] OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND THAT
[02:24:28] IS BAD FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING,
[02:24:33] IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS KIDS OR GRANDCHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF THE VOTING AGE, THEY CAN ABOUT
[02:24:38] SO OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE
[02:24:43] SYSTEM FOR THEM. THEY CANNOT DO IT. WE ARE STANDEN'S FOR OUR
[02:24:48] CHILDREN -- STAND-INS FOR OUR
[02:24:52] CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN SO THE SYSTEM USED TO HOLD. WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THE THREAT
[02:24:56] AND CONSTANT USE IN ORDER WE ARE
[02:24:59] SEEING NOW -- CONSTITUTIONAL
[02:25:01] ORDER WE ARE SEEING NOW.
[02:25:03] AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS HANGING ON BY A THREAD. THAT IS THE CONCERN AND
[02:25:08] SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A PELOSI VERSUS MIKE JOHNSON ISSUE.
[02:25:12] POLITICIANS COME AND GONE BUT ONCE WE LOSE A FUNCTIONING
[02:25:16] DEMOCRACY AND POWER GOES TO THE
[02:25:17] PEOPLE -- THE POWERFUL, POWER
[02:25:21] FOR THE POWERFUL AND CORPORATIONS, DEMOCRACY FOR CORPORATIONS NOT REGULAR PEOPLE,
[02:25:24] IT IS HARD TO GET THAT BACK.
[02:25:29] HOST: PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCED
[02:25:32] HE WOULD BAN MULTIPLE COMPANIES,
[02:25:34] INCLUDING POLITICO, FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.
[02:25:38] LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HIS REASONING FOR THAT WAS.
[02:25:43] [VIDEO CLIP] >> BECAUSE THEY ARE FAKE NEWS.
[02:25:46] YOU GET SO TIRED OF READING AND SEEING FAKE NEWS.
[02:25:48] WHEN YOU LOOK AT CNN, IT IS
[02:25:53] FAKE. THAT IS WHY THEIR RATINGS ARE NO GOOD.
[02:25:55] WHEN YOU LOOK AT MS NOW, WHICH
[02:25:59] USED TO BE MSNBC, WHICH SOME
[02:26:02] PEOPLE CALL MS DNC, DEMOCRATIC
[02:26:05] NATIONAL COMMITTEE, IT IS FAKE NEWS.
[02:26:08] AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT POLITICO,
[02:26:13] THE GOVERNMENT UNDER BIDEN GAVE
[02:26:17] THEM $8 MILLION TO GIVE THEM AFLOAT AND THE STORIES THEY
[02:26:21] WROTE ARE FAKE SO THERE'S A LOT OF NEWS AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS
[02:26:24] TO JOIN THEM AND MAYBE THEY CAN GET BETTER AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM BUT OUR COUNTRY HAS TO HAVE ON HIS NEWS.
[02:26:29] YOU DO NOT HAVE A COUNTRY UNLESS
[02:26:31] YOU HAVE BORDERS, GOOD VOTING.
[02:26:36] BORDERS ARE UNBELIEVABLE. NOBODY IS COMING TO A COUNTRY IN
[02:26:39] THE LAST 17 MONTHS ILLEGALLY BUT YOU NEED BORDERS AND YOU NEED
[02:26:42] FAIR AND FREE VOTING.
[02:26:45] YOU NEED A FREE PRESS.
[02:26:48] YOU NEED A FAIR PRESS AND HONEST PRESS.
[02:26:52] EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. YOU ARE INTELLIGENT.
[02:26:54] YOU KNOW HOW FAKE THEIR REPORTING IS. IT IS ONE-SIDED.
[02:26:58] IT IS NEVER GOOD. I HAVE DONE MANY -- LOOK AT THE
[02:27:04] STORY TODAY ABOUT FAVORED NATIONS. WE LOWERED DRUG COSTS.
[02:27:10] IF THEY PUT IT ON AND WILL BE LIKE -- THEY WILL FIND A REASON
[02:27:12] WHY THAT IS A NEGATIVE.
[02:27:15] HOST: I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU
[02:27:18] MAKE OF THIS AND WHETHER A PLACE
[02:27:20] LIKE CNN, MS NOW, OR POLITICO
[02:27:23] SUED TO GET ACCESS BACK WHEN
[02:27:25] BADGES WERE TAKEN FROM THEM
[02:27:28] YESTERDAY AT THE WHITE HOUSE,
[02:27:30] WITH THIS BAND STAND >> UP IN
[02:27:36] COURT? NO. IT IS A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT WHICH PROTECTS THE
[02:27:40] PRESS AND FREE SPEECH AND TO
[02:27:42] UNDERSCORE IT IT PROTECTS FREE
[02:27:44] SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF THE PRESS
[02:27:48] AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOES NOT
[02:27:50] APPLY TO REGULAR PEOPLE.
[02:27:55] REMEMBER: CAP HER OR ED SHARON
[02:27:59] -- REMEMBER COLIN OR ED SHEERAN
[02:28:05] HERE IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS CONCERNED WITH THE GOVERNMENT PICKING AND CHOOSING WHO CAN
[02:28:09] SPEAK, WHO GETS RETALIATED
[02:28:11] AGAINST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT.
[02:28:15] AND JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE SUPREME COURT, THIS
[02:28:19] PRESIDENT DOES NOT LIKE ANY CRITICISM OF HIM OR SPEECH THAT
[02:28:21] IS NOT -- OR SUPREME COURT RULINGS THAT DO NOT ALIGN WITH
[02:28:25] WHAT HE WANTS AND WE HAVE SEEN
[02:28:30] DEFAMATION LAWSUITS AGAINST VARIOUS MEDIA OUTLETS AND SEEN
[02:28:32] REPORTERS ARRESTED AND FBI RAIDS
[02:28:37] OF PORTERS OUTSIDE WASHINGTON.
[02:28:42] THAT IS THE THREAT. THE THREAT IS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PICKING AND
[02:28:46] CHOOSING WHO GETS TO SPEAK
[02:28:49] BECAUSE THE REASON WE HAVE THESE
[02:28:51] FIRST AMENDMENT FREEDOMS, ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE WE WANT
[02:28:55] TO KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS UP TO BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT HAS
[02:28:58] A LOT POWER AND THEY CAN KEEP STUFF SECRET AND THEN WE DON'T
[02:29:02] KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
[02:29:03] WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE
[02:29:07] SHENANIGANS, IF OUR KIDS ARE SAFE.
[02:29:08] ALLOWING THE PRESS TO SPEAK AND
[02:29:12] HAVE ACCESS GIVES THE AMERICAN
[02:29:15] PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE WHO
[02:29:17] TO BELIEVE OR NOT, NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
[02:29:20] SO IT IS A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT BUT TO THE OTHER
[02:29:23] POINT WHO IS GOING TO ISSUE THE TICKET FOR SPEEDING? THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE I
[02:29:28] THINK IS CONGRESS GOING TO STEP IN OR THE COURTS OR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
[02:29:33] AND SAY THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU
[02:29:34] ARE GOING TO GET A TICKET, MR.
[02:29:39] TRUMP, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE RULES AND LIMITS ON EXERCISE OF
[02:29:43] POWER BECAUSE IF WE GIVE UP ALL THE LIMITS WE DON'T HAVE A DEMOCRACY ANYMORE.
[02:29:47] WE HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE WHOEVER IS IN POWER GETS TO PICK WINNERS
[02:29:50] AND LOSERS BASED ON WHETHER THEY LIKE THEM AND THAT IS WHAT WE
[02:29:53] SAW WITH THESE -- WITH WHAT
[02:29:57] HAPPENED WITH CNN AND POLITICO AND MS NOW.
[02:29:59] HOST: LANCE FROM COLORADO, REPUBLICAN.
[02:30:03] CALLER: I CANNOT BELIEVE I'M
[02:30:07] STANDING HERE WAITING TO TALK TO
[02:30:09] THIS WOMAN HERE.
[02:30:13] I'M GOING TO RESIST NAME-CALLING. THE THING IS YOU ARE WRONG.
[02:30:16] YOU ARE AS WRONG AS THE CLOCK BEHIND YOU ON THAT WALL.
[02:30:20] THERE WERE 6600 VOTES,
[02:30:24] FRAUDULENT VOTES THEY FOUND IN
[02:30:26] VIRGINIA AND YOU SAY THERE IS ONLY A HANDFUL HERE WERE THERE.
[02:30:30] I DON'T CALL 6600 VOTES A
[02:30:36] HANDFUL. AND THE THING IS I LIVE IN A
[02:30:40] STATE THAT HAS A GAY GOVERNOR WITH A GAY BOYFRIEND AND YOU
[02:30:45] GUYS -- YOU DEMOCRATS, YOU LOONY DEMOCRATS --
[02:30:48] HOST: LET'S HAVE KIM RESPOND.
[02:30:53] GUEST: I AM ON FROM EUROPE SO IT
[02:30:57] IS A DIFFERENT TIME ZONE.
[02:31:00] WE MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT STATISTICS. I HAVE CHECKED MINE AND I THINK
[02:31:03] IT IS IMPORTANT TO FACT-CHECK AND GO TO SOURCES THAT ARE
[02:31:07] AUTHORITATIVE AND USE LEGITIMATE MEANS OF IDENTIFYING THESE
[02:31:11] THINGS. THESE ARE NOT MY NUMBERS.
[02:31:16] WE HAD THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION LOOKING FOR THIS FRAUD AND THE
[02:31:18] SOURCES I HAVE SEEN AND MANY
[02:31:22] OTHERS WITH EXPERTISE DEEPER THAN MINE -- THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
[02:31:26] THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT, THAT WE HAVE
[02:31:30] FUNCTIONING ELECTIONS IN THIS MOMENT.
[02:31:32] HOST: KIM WEHLE, THANK YOU SO
[02:31:38] MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING.
[02:31:43] NEXT, START SENDING IN YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS AND
[02:31:46] QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT IS OPEN FORUM.
[02:31:49] DEMOCRATS, (202) 748-8000.
[02:31:53] REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE, (202) 748-8001. INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
[02:32:00] START CALLING IN NOW. WE WILL TALK AFTER THE BREAK.
[02:32:04] ♪
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[02:33:45] HOST: WELCOME BACK.
[02:33:49] IT IS OPEN FORUM.
[02:33:54] START CALLING IN. DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE, (202) 748-8000.
[02:33:59] REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001. INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
[02:34:07] START CALLING IN. FOR THE LAST 30 MINUTES OF WASHINGTON JOURNAL THIS MORNING.
[02:34:12] THIS AFTERNOON, NEBRASKA
[02:34:16] REPUBLICAN SENATOR PETE RICKETTS ATTENDS HIS STATE'S ANNUAL STEAK
[02:34:18] FRY TO FUND RAISE FOR HIS ANNUAL
[02:34:24] REELECTION CAMPAIGN. THE EVENT FEATURES REPUBLICAN SENATOR JOHN KENNEDY FROM
[02:34:28] LOUISIANA. WATCH LIVE AT 1:00 P.M. EASTERN
[02:34:30] ON C-SPAN, ONLINE AT C-SPAN.ORG,
[02:34:33] AND ON OUR FREE C-SPAN NOW VIDEO APP.
[02:34:37] THAT WILL COME TO YOU AT 1:00 P.M.
[02:34:41] SOME BREAKING NEWS THIS MORNING, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS THE PLANNED
[02:34:45] ARCH IN VIRGINIA WILL BE A
[02:34:46] MILITARY COMPLEX FOR DRONES AND
[02:34:52] SNIPERS. I'M LOOKING AT A NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE.
[02:34:55] IT SAYS PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THE
[02:34:58] PROPOSED 50 FOOT ARCH WILL NOW
[02:35:00] BE A TOP GRADE MILITARY COMPLEX THAT WILL HOUSE DRONES, SNIPERS,
[02:35:04] AND AMMUNITION HERE PRESIDENT
[02:35:06] TRUMP WROTE THAT HE HAD AGREED
[02:35:09] TO CONVERT THE ARCH AT THE REQUEST OF THE U.S. MILITARY AND
[02:35:13] FOR NATIONAL SECURITY PURPOSES.
[02:35:17] THE MILITARY COMPLEX WILL BE --
[02:35:21] WILL HOUSE, STORE OR COME AND HAVE THE RAPID ABILITY TO USE LARGE NUMBERS OF DRONES AND
[02:35:25] SNIPERS ON THE ROOF AND PLAZA
[02:35:26] AREAS AND HAVE AND HOLD LARGE
[02:35:29] QUANTITIES OF SNIPER AMMUNITION
[02:35:32] IN STORAGE, TRUMP WROTE.
[02:35:34] THERE WILL BE NO FACILITY LIKE
[02:35:36] THIS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
[02:35:38] HIS NEW CLAIMS ABOUT THE ARCH,
[02:35:44] WHICH COMES AS VETERAN GROUPS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS AN OTHERS ATTEMPT TO STOP THE
[02:35:48] PROJECT CANNOT RESEMBLE HIS ARGUMENTS FOR THE NEED TO BUILD
[02:35:50] A BALLROOM AT THE WHITE HOUSE
[02:35:56] HEARING TRUMP SAID IT WAS A
[02:35:57] NEEDED NATIONAL SECURITY
[02:36:02] STRUCTURE. THERE IS BREAKING NEWS THIS MORNING.
[02:36:05] CHRISTIE FROM FLORIDA I'M A A DEMOCRAT.
[02:36:11] -- FROM FLORIDA, A DEMOCRAT.
[02:36:11] CALLER: I HAVE TWO COMMENTS.
[02:36:16] I WATCHED ON NETFLIX YESTERDAY
[02:36:18] ON THE DOCUMENTARY WITH STEVE
[02:36:22] BANNON ABOUT TRUMP BACK IN 2017.
[02:36:27] I WOULD URGE EVERYBODY TO WATCH THAT.
[02:36:31] IT IS UNBELIEVABLE, WHAT IS HAPPENING.
[02:36:35] IT IS UNBELIEVABLE.
[02:36:36] AND ANOTHER QUESTION, GOD BLESS
[02:36:40] EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE ARE IN BAD
[02:36:40] TIMES AND I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS
[02:36:45] I CANNOT EVEN TALK TO BECAUSE OF THIS PRESIDENT THAT WE HAVE, IF
[02:36:48] YOU WANT TO CALL HIM THAT SO IT IS HARD FOR EVERYONE AND I HOPE
[02:36:52] WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND GO FOR
[02:36:56] THE NO KINGS ON OCTOBER 17 AND
[02:37:00] GOD BLESS AMERICA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[02:37:01] HOST: CHARLIE FROM BALTIMORE,
[02:37:05] MARYLAND, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING, CHARLIE.
[02:37:09] >> THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[02:37:13] I'M HONORED TO BE ON C-SPAN. I LOVE WHAT YOU DO. IT IS AMAZING THERE SUCH
[02:37:18] ORGANIZATION THAT EVERYBODY CAN STILL GET ALONG WITH.
[02:37:21] I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
[02:37:23] SENATE AND HOUSE GOING TO THE
[02:37:27] DEMOCRATS AND THE PRESIDENT UNDER THE REPUBLICANS SO WE CAN HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES AGAIN
[02:37:31] AND NOT EVERYBODY WILL BE ON ONE SIDE. I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN IT WAS
[02:37:34] UNDER OBAMA OR BIDEN, CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE IT NOW.
[02:37:39] NOTHING MIGHT HAPPEN BUT AT
[02:37:40] LEAST IT WILL BE SOMETHING AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE LIKE UNDER
[02:37:44] BILL CLINTON WHERE THEY REACHED ACROSS THE AISLE AND WORKED TOGETHER.
[02:37:47] I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL HAPPEN AND I DON'T LIKE ALL THE
[02:37:52] NAME-CALLING FOR THE PRESIDENT. EVEN THOUGH I MIGHT NOT LIKE
[02:37:55] HIM, I DO NOT THINK THAT IS RESPECTFUL TO THE OFFICE AND AS
[02:37:57] AN AMERICAN I DON'T LIKE WHEN EVERYBODY DOES THAT.
[02:38:00] HOST: THAT IS CHARLIE FROM
[02:38:05] BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, AND INDEPENDENT.
[02:38:07] CHARLES FROM ARKANSAS, A REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING. IT IS OPEN FORUM.
[02:38:12] CALLER: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BREAST CANCER.
[02:38:18] IN THE 1980'S THERE WAS A LADY
[02:38:22] NAMED SUSAN KOMAN WHO HAD A
[02:38:25] HORRIBLE COURSE OF DISEASE AND DIED FROM IT.
[02:38:27] HER YOUNGER SISTER, WHO LATER
[02:38:33] MARRIED MR. BRINKER, NANCY
[02:38:37] GOODMAN BRINKER, STARTED THE
[02:38:40] RACE FOR THE CURE AND, YOU KNOW,
[02:38:48] SUBSEQUENTLY HAS SAVED MILLIONS
[02:38:49] OF LIVES AND HAD ALL KINDS OF
[02:38:52] PEOPLE TREATED WHO WILL NOT HAVE BEEN TREATED OR DIAGNOSED.
[02:38:57] SO I WANT TO COMPARE THAT WITH
[02:39:02] SENATE CAMERON -- CANDIDATE
[02:39:03] ABDUL EL-SAYED'S POSITION HERE
[02:39:08] AND HE GOT HIS PHD IN THIS AND
[02:39:09] SAID THE PINK RIBBON CROWN HAS
[02:39:13] ABSORBED A LOT OF RESOURCES THAT
[02:39:15] COULD BE USED TO FIGHT OTHER
[02:39:18] ILLNESSES AND OF COURSE HE IS A SOCIALIST.
[02:39:23] HE IS ALSO A MUSLIM AND SO
[02:39:28] WHETHER BREAST CANCER IS AN IMPORTANT DISEASE I DON'T KNOW
[02:39:31] BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR
[02:39:32] AMERICANS TO REALIZE THAT PEOPLE
[02:39:36] WITH HIS BACKGROUND THINK ABOUT
[02:39:37] THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN PEOPLE
[02:39:40] WHOSE IDEOLOGY AND SOCIOLOGY THINK THAT THE EXPERTS ALWAYS KNOW BEST.
[02:39:45] BUT NANCY GOODMAN BRINKER WAS
[02:39:48] SIMPLY AN INTELLIGENT FEMALE WHO
[02:39:51] WAS ABLE -- WHO MARRIED WELL AND
[02:39:56] THEREFORE WAS WEALTHY AND WAS
[02:39:56] ABLE TO START THE SUSAN KOMAN
[02:40:02] FOUNDATION, WHICH LEADS THE RACE
[02:40:03] FOR THE CURE AND THE NFL PLAYERS
[02:40:07] WEARING A PINK RIBBON SOMETIMES AND IT IS JUST AMAZING THAT
[02:40:11] EL-SAYED'S POSITION DOES NOT
[02:40:15] RECOGNIZE THE COMPETITION OF
[02:40:21] IDEAS IN A FREE COUNTRY.
[02:40:23] HOST: THAT IS CHARLES FROM
[02:40:27] ARKANSAS, REPUBLICAN. RITA FROM PENNSYLVANIA, A DEMOCRAT I'M A GOOD MORNING.
[02:40:32] >> THE CALLER: GUY THAT SAID ABOUT CALLER: PEOPLE CALLING
[02:40:35] FROM NAMES -- DONALD TRUMP NAMES
[02:40:39] TO PEOPLE EVERY DAY SO THAT IS NO BIG DEAL FOR HIM.
[02:40:42] I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HE IS THINKING TO PUT HIS NAME ON
[02:40:46] EVERYTHING.
[02:40:50] MOUNT RUSHMORE IS GOTTEN DAMAGE AND HE STEPS IN AND THINKS HE HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SPACE UP
[02:40:55] THERE AND IF THEY SAY NO DOES THAT MEAN HE HAS A CHANCE TO
[02:40:59] TEAR THE WHOLE MOUNTAIN DOWN? THIS IS A MAN THAT NEEDS TO GROW
[02:41:03] UP AND I WANT TO THANK MARIA SALAZAR FOR HAVE THE GUTS TO DO
[02:41:06] MOST OF THOSE MEN IN CONGRESS
[02:41:10] DON'T HAVE COME OUT TO STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP.
[02:41:13] THE MAN IS A LIAR, CHEAT, AND THIEF.
[02:41:15] HE GETS AWAY WITH EVERYTHING. THE ONLY TIME THESE MEN IN
[02:41:20] CONGRESS STAND UP AND SAY ANYTHING AS WHEN THEY GET READY TO RETIRE OR HAVE A NEW JOB.
[02:41:24] OF COURSE MIKE JOHNSON IS THE BIGGEST CLOWN OF ALL.
[02:41:28] HOST: THAT WAS RITA FROM
[02:41:33] PENNSYLVANIA, LARRY FROM TENNESSEE, INDEPENDENT.
[02:41:36] CALLER: THANK YOU FOR ACCEPTING
[02:41:40] MY CALL. I CALLED TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
[02:41:43] THE YOUNG LADY WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT PELOSI NOT
[02:41:46] SWEARING IN A CONGRESSPERSON.
[02:41:52] I HAVE TO REMIND YOU THAT WAS
[02:41:55] AGREED UPON TIME DELAY ON THE
[02:41:56] SWEARING IN BETWEEN PELOSI AND
[02:41:59] THAT CONGRESSPERSON AS TO WHEN THEY WOULD BE SWORN IN AND IT
[02:42:03] WAS NOT INTENDANTS -- INTENDED TO BE NASTY.
[02:42:07] THAT IS MY COMMENT.
[02:42:08] HOST: LARRY FROM KNOXVILLE,
[02:42:14] TENNESSEE, INDEPENDENT. JAMIE FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
[02:42:17] CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY
[02:42:21] PHONE CALL. I HAVE BEEN VOTING REPUBLICAN
[02:42:25] SINCE 2020 AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE PARTY HAS COMPLETELY
[02:42:29] LOST ME. AT THIS POINT I WILL BE
[02:42:32] SWITCHING OVER TO INDEPENDENT. IT SEEMS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
[02:42:36] WAS ALL ABOUT LOW GOVERNMENT AND LOW TAXES BUT IT SEEMS LIKE NOW THE PARTY IS BLOATED AND IT
[02:42:39] SEEMS LIKE THE PARTY WOULD LIKE
[02:42:43] TO -- EXCUSE ME.
[02:42:46] IT SEEMS LIKE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOW ABOUT BIG
[02:42:49] GOVERNMENT AND I DON'T LIKE IT.
[02:42:53] THEY HAVE LOST ME SO I WILL BE
[02:42:55] VOTING INDEPENDENT METHODS NEXT ELECTION.
[02:42:58] I'LL BE VOTING FOR JAMES
[02:43:00] TALARICO FOR TEXAS SENATOR.
[02:43:03] HE IS A GREAT CANDIDATE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[02:43:07] I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME ON. HOST: DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU PLAN
[02:43:11] TO IT FOR GOVERNOR? IN TEXAS, THAT IS A CONTESTED RACE.
[02:43:18] I THINK HE HUNG UP.
[02:43:19] BILLY FROM MISSOURI, DEMOCRAT.
[02:43:24] GOOD MORNING. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[02:43:30] I WAS CALLING -- I WAS CURIOUS
[02:43:34] -- I DON'T SEE A LOT OF
[02:43:37] REPORTERS ASKING THE QUESTIONS TO THE PRESIDENT -- WHERE ALL
[02:43:41] THAT MONEY IS GOING THAT HE IS
[02:43:44] MAKING FROM THE OIL IN VENEZUELA
[02:43:47] . HE ALWAYS SIDESTEPS IT A LITTLE
[02:43:49] BIT AND THEN BY THE TIME HE
[02:43:52] ANSWERS THE QUESTION, WHICH IS
[02:43:55] KIND OF A NONANSWER, IT DOES NOT
[02:43:58] GIVE ANOTHER REPORTER TIME TO
[02:44:03] FOLLOW UP WITH THE SAME QUESTION
[02:44:04] TO PRESS HIM ON IT SO WE ARE
[02:44:08] KIND OF GETTING THE INFORMATION
[02:44:12] ALL FROM DIFFERENT SIDES AND IT
[02:44:15] IS ALL SPECULATION BUT IT IS IN
[02:44:18] A SECRET ACCOUNT IN QATAR.
[02:44:21] I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THERE IS NO OVERSIGHT ON ALL OF THIS.
[02:44:26] HOST: I BELIEVE DEMOCRATS HAVE
[02:44:30] BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS BEFORE LEAVING CONGRESS, SENATORS
[02:44:34] SPECIFICALLY COME ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY IS BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
[02:44:36] REPORTERS HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT
[02:44:38] QUESTION AND VARIOUS OFFICIALS HAVE GIVEN VARIOUS ANSWERS.
[02:44:42] ERIC FROM SEASIDE PARK, NEW
[02:44:46] JERSEY, GOOD MORNING. IT IS OPEN FORUM.
[02:44:52] CALLER: I CANNOT BELIEVE I FINALLY GOT ON. THIS IS GREAT.
[02:44:57] SOON TO BE AN WX REPUBLICAN.
[02:45:02] I WAS A REPUBLICAN MY WHOLE LIFE. I CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT TRUMP IS DOING.
[02:45:05] HE IS GOING RIGHT OUT OF FASCISM
[02:45:09] , WITHOUT A DOUBT.
[02:45:10] MY MOM GREW UP IN GERMANY DURING
[02:45:13] THE PILLAR ERA AND TRUMP IS
[02:45:18] GOING RIGHT BY THE BOOK AND I
[02:45:21] HAVE TO GO ON THE OTHER SITE IN NOVEMBER.
[02:45:25] MOST OF THE OTHER PEOPLE DO, NOT THAT I AGREE WITH HER POLICIES BUT WE HAVE TO PUT A STOP TO
[02:45:28] THIS GUY SO THAT IS MY THOUGHTS
[02:45:31] AND THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON. HOST: THAT IS ERIC FROM NEW
[02:45:37] JERSEY ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE.
[02:45:39] BILL FROM COLORADO SPRINGS,
[02:45:43] COLORADO, CALLING ON THE INDEPENDENT LINE. GOOD MORNING.
[02:45:46] CALLER: IT IS ASTOUNDING
[02:45:48] LISTENING TO YOUR CALLERS IN
[02:45:52] YOUR LAST GUEST WITH PELOSI NOT SWEARING IN SOMEBODY IN A TIMELY MANNER.
[02:45:57] SHE DID IT IN A TIMELY MANNER. MIKE JOHNSON HELD UP SWEARING IN
[02:46:01] AN INDIVIDUAL FROM ARIZONA AND THEN THAT INDIVIDUAL CALLING
[02:46:05] FROM COLORADO ABOUT THE SIX
[02:46:11] THOUSAND PLUS FRAUDULENT VOTES
[02:46:13] -- THAT IS NOT TRUE.
[02:46:16] IT IS JUST ASTOUNDING HOW THESE
[02:46:19] PEOPLE ARE SO MISINFORMED AND
[02:46:20] DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE.
[02:46:26] IT SEEMS THE GUY FROM STERLING
[02:46:28] WAS BENT OUT OF SHAPE ABOUT OUR
[02:46:32] GAY GOVERNOR AND HIS HUSBAND. THAT SEEMED TO BE THE BIG TOPIC IN HIS LIFE.
[02:46:36] IT IS JUST SAD THAT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. THANK YOU.
[02:46:40] HOST: THAT IS FILLED FROM
[02:46:43] COLORADO ON THE INDEPENDENT LINE.
[02:46:45] CLIFF FROM WASHINGTON CALLING IN ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE.
[02:46:49] GOOD MORNING. CALLER: HELLO.
[02:46:53] MY PROBLEM IS IF YOU WANT TO
[02:46:55] TALK ABOUT FAKE NEWS JUST LISTEN
[02:46:59] TO THE PRESIDENT EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH.
[02:47:01] IT IS FAKE NEWS.
[02:47:04] AND ANOTHER ISSUE ABOUT THE FATE
[02:47:09] VOTES AND ALL THAT STUFF, JUST
[02:47:12] CHECK OUT WHAT THE LADY SAID.
[02:47:15] SHE TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT EVERYONE. IT IS A NON-ISSUE.
[02:47:18] IT SHOULD NOT BE TALKED ABOUT ANYMORE.
[02:47:21] IF WE GET A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS
[02:47:28] IN POWER, MAYBE WE WILL HAVE A
[02:47:30] FEW REGULAR VOTES FROM REGULAR
[02:47:35] PEOPLE AND A FEW LEGITIMATE
[02:47:39] VOTES FROM CONGRESS PEOPLE THEMSELVES. THEY ARE ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS.
[02:47:43] THEY ARE SUPPOSED BE WORKING FOR US.
[02:47:47] LET'S HAVE YOU VOTE LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO YOUR CONSCIENCE
[02:47:51] AND NOT BE COERCED BY THE
[02:47:56] PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
[02:47:58] HOST: THAT IS CLIFF FROM
[02:48:02] WASHINGTON. RICK FROM INDIANA, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING.
[02:48:05] CALLER: HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY?
[02:48:07] HOST: I'M DOING WELL. HOW ARE YOU?
[02:48:11] CALLER: I LIKE YOUR DRESS. THAT IS A NICE BLUE.
[02:48:14] HOST: IT IS OPEN FORUM. WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND THIS MORNING?
[02:48:18] CALLER: NOT MUCH OF A MIND BUT I
[02:48:22] DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMON SENSE.
[02:48:24] I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- A LOT OF
[02:48:28] PEOPLE FROM A LOT OF PRESIDENTS -- I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE ALIVE
[02:48:32] ONCE THEIR NAME ON EVERY THING HE COULD SEE.
[02:48:35] AND THEN THEY DON'T GET IT HE
[02:48:37] CRIES LIKE A LITTLE BABY.
[02:48:39] BUT I WAS THINKING -- DON'T GET
[02:48:42] MAD AT ME, DON'T HANG UP. I BELIEVE THAT TRUMP IS THE
[02:48:47] ANTICHRIST BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT IS?
[02:48:50] HE LIKES POWER, POWER, POWER.
[02:48:55] MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. AND HE IS SO CONCEITED.
[02:48:58] IF YOU WANT TO'S ON THE -- ON
[02:49:03] SOMETHING, AND I AGREE WITH IT AND I HOPE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES,
[02:49:07] TOO, I BELIEVE THAT HE WILL PUT
[02:49:10] HIS NAME ON A SEWAGE PLANT.
[02:49:11] HOST: THAT IS RICK FROM INDIANA,
[02:49:16] AND INDEPENDENT. MARY FROM WEST VIRGINIA, GOOD MORNING.
[02:49:20] CALLER: I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS TO ASK YOU.
[02:49:24] MY FIRST QUESTION IS EARLIER
[02:49:28] WHEN THAT LADY WAS ON TALKING
[02:49:29] AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT NANCY
[02:49:32] PELOSI AND SHE DID NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT, WHY DID YOU NOT GO
[02:49:36] BACK AND CHECK? YOU ALWAYS DO WHEN A DEMOCRAT COMES ON AND ASKS QUESTIONS.
[02:49:40] HOST: WHEN THE QUESTION -- WITH
[02:49:45] THE LAST GUEST WE HAD ON WAS ASKED ABOUT NANCY PELOSI?
[02:49:49] AND SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE?
[02:49:58] WHAT IS YOUR SECOND QUESTION?
[02:49:59] CALLER: BACK IN JANUARY OR
[02:50:04] FEBRUARY, I CALLED IN.
[02:50:08] BECAUSE I THINK MIMI WAS ON AND
[02:50:11] SOMEBODY ASKED HER HOW COME SHE WASN'T ANSWERING THE PHONE FOR
[02:50:16] ANY REPUBLICANS. AND SHE SAID NOBODY HAD BEEN CALLING IN.
[02:50:21] THAT WAS OF A HALF AN HOUR INTO THE PROGRAM.
[02:50:24] I TRIED TO CALL MYSELF AND WHEN
[02:50:25] I CALLED THEY WOULD HANG UP ON ME.
[02:50:30] AND I CALLED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND
[02:50:34] THEN THE OPERATOR CAME ON AND SAID THEY ARE NOT TAKING ANY
[02:50:38] CALLS RIGHT NOW. THEN I CALLED AGAIN AND AGAIN
[02:50:43] AND SHE SAID NOBODY IS ANSWERING THE PHONE.
[02:50:47] WHEN I CALL NOW I CALLED FOUR TIMES BEFORE YOU FINALLY
[02:50:51] ANSWERED THE PHONE RANG AND RANG
[02:50:53] AND HUNG UP ON ME AND IT TOOK ME
[02:50:57] FOUR TIMES BEFORE SOMEBODY DID ANSWER ME AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU DO THAT.
[02:51:02] HOST: WE MAKE OUR BEST EFFORT TO
[02:51:05] GET PEOPLE IN ON THE LINE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS
[02:51:08] PROGRAM SO WONDERFUL, HEARING
[02:51:11] FROM AMERICANS LIKE YOU ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM TALKING
[02:51:15] ABOUT POLITICS, POLICY, ANYTHING IN OPEN FORUM. I DO HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO TRY TO
[02:51:19] CALL IN EVEN IF IT MAY BE DIFFICULT SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE
[02:51:23] LOVE TO HEAR FROM OUR CALLERS.
[02:51:25] BEN FROM MARYLAND, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING.
[02:51:29] CALLER: I FOLLOW YOU ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
[02:51:34] I'M CALLING IN BECAUSE I WAS
[02:51:37] LOOKING AT A STORY WHERE THE
[02:51:40] DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE HAS
[02:51:43] UNDERREPORTED THE AMERICAN
[02:51:46] CASUALTIES IN IRAN AND THEY ALSO
[02:51:50] FAILED TO REPORT SOME OF THE VICTORIES THE IRANIAN MILITARY
[02:51:55] HAD QUIT ONE OF WHICH THEY
[02:51:58] DESTROYED ONE OF OUR PLANES. WITH PRECISION BOMBING, WHICH I
[02:52:02] THOUGHT THEY HAD NO CAPABILITY.
[02:52:06] OF DOING THAT SO IT IS STRANGE
[02:52:10] TO ME THEY WOULD UNDERREPORT
[02:52:11] SUCH A SMALL CASUALTY NUMBER
[02:52:15] BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH CONVENTIONAL WAR WHERE THERE ARE
[02:52:19] HUNDREDS OF CASUALTIES A DAY BUT
[02:52:24] I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CANNOT ACCURATELY COUNT THE
[02:52:28] AMOUNT OF CASUALTIES AND SOME OF THE ISSUES GOING ON WITH THIS
[02:52:32] WAR WITH IRAN.
[02:52:33] HOST: I'LL HAVE MY PRODUCER TRY
[02:52:37] TO FIND THAT ARTICLE. I BELIEVE IT CAME OUT FRIDAY
[02:52:41] FROM THE WASHINGTON POST. IT IS SOMETHING THE
[02:52:47] ADMINISTRATION HAS COME OUT AND REJECTED, SAYING IT WAS UNTRUE
[02:52:50] BUT THE POST SITES MULTIPLE
[02:52:54] SOURCES TO TRY TO BACK UP THEIR
[02:52:57] WORK SO WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN FIND THAT.
[02:53:01] TOM FROM FLORIDA, DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING.
[02:53:04] CALLER: THANKS FOR C-SPAN.
[02:53:07] WE APPRECIATE ALL THE CALLERS.
[02:53:11] COULD YOU PLEASE REMIND THE
[02:53:12] REPUBLICAN CALLERS WHO ARE NOT
[02:53:15] JUST REPUBLICAN -- I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT -- CALLERS WHO CALL
[02:53:18] IN AND BLAME BIDEN'S POLICY ON
[02:53:22] IMMIGRATION, THAT WHAT JESUS
[02:53:26] TOLD US TO WELCOME IMMIGRANTS, NOT BUILD WALLS TO KEEP THEM
[02:53:30] OUT, SO THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT POLICIES. ONE IS GIVE THEM OUT WALLS.
[02:53:35] ONE IS DO WHAT JESUS SAID IN THE
[02:53:39] BIBLE OVER 2000 YEARS AGO.
[02:53:40] THOSE ARE NOT BIDEN'S POLICIES.
[02:53:43] THOSE ARE JESUS'S POLICIES.
[02:53:47] BIDEN IS JUST FOLLOWING THAT POLICY. HE DOES NOT WANT TO GO AGAINST
[02:53:49] JESUS AND BUILD A WALL SO IT
[02:53:53] SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THIS IS BIDEN'S POLICY TO WELCOME IMMIGRANTS.
[02:53:58] COULD YOU PLEASE CORRECT PEOPLE
[02:54:01] WHO CALL IN AND BLAME BIDEN FOR THAT POLICY?
[02:54:04] THAT IS JESUS'S POLICY.
[02:54:06] HOST: THAT IS TOM FROM FLORIDA.
[02:54:10] BEFORE TOM I'M LOOKING AT NOW THE WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE.
[02:54:14] THE HEADLINE IS MORE U.S. TROOPS HAVE DIED AMID IRAN WAR THEN
[02:54:17] PENTAGON HAS DISCLOSED PUBLICLY. OFFICIALS EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION
[02:54:21] THAT THIS ADDITIONAL LOSS OF LIFE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS NOT
[02:54:24] REFLECTED IN DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CASUALTY DATA BASE.
[02:54:29] THERE IS THE STORY IF YOU WANT TO READ MORE IN THE POST.
[02:54:33] FROM OREGON, A REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING. IT IS OPEN FORUM.
[02:54:37] CALLER: I WANTED TO COMMENT
[02:54:41] REGARDING YOUR OPENING QUESTION
[02:54:44] FOR CONGRESS, THAT NO ONE, WHEN
[02:54:49] THEY WERE MEETING CONGRESS, BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THEY
[02:54:54] DID IN THE HOUSE PASSED ALL 12
[02:54:58] OF THE APPROPRIATIONS BILLS
[02:55:00] FUNDING VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OF
[02:55:04] THE GOVERNMENT AND WHILE THERE
[02:55:05] ARE A LOT OF MEASURES THEY
[02:55:10] PASSED THAT THEN GO TO THE
[02:55:13] SENATE, IN THE SENATE THEY ARE
[02:55:14] STALLED BECAUSE WHILE THERE IS A
[02:55:18] REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE SENATE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ON A LOT
[02:55:22] OF THESE THINGS, MORE THAN JUST A SIMPLE MAJORITY.
[02:55:26] YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT 60 ABOUT THRESHOLD, WHICH IS NOT THERE.
[02:55:31] THE OTHER THING IS IT SEEMS TO
[02:55:34] BE A LOT OF PEOPLE ENVISION THE
[02:55:37] FACT THAT WHEN THE CONGRESS
[02:55:41] PEOPLE ARE NOT IN WASHINGTON
[02:55:43] THAT THEY ARE HOME ON VACATION.
[02:55:46] THIS SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE.
[02:55:48] MOST OF THE CONGRESSPEOPLE, WHEN
[02:55:51] THEY GO BACK TO THEIR DISTRICTS,
[02:55:52] ARE IN THEIR DISTRICTS, IN THEIR
[02:55:56] OFFICES, AVAILABLE TO REACH
[02:56:00] WHERE THEIR STAFF BY PHONE BUT
[02:56:02] THEY HEAR IT AND THEY ARE DOING
[02:56:05] THINGS THAT WE WANT THEM TO DO. THEY ARE LISTENING TO US IN THE
[02:56:09] DISTRICT.
[02:56:12] THE OTHER THING REGARDING TRUMP IS I AM A REPUBLICAN.
[02:56:15] I VOTED FOR HIM ALL THREE TIMES.
[02:56:19] I DON'T APPRECIATE HOW HE SPEAKS
[02:56:21] ABOUT PEOPLE OR A LOT OF
[02:56:25] DIFFERENT THINGS HE DOES BUT HE
[02:56:30] IS A WIDE OUTSIDE THE BOX THINKER AND DOES ACCOMPLISH
[02:56:34] PROJECTS IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN WHAT WE ARE USED TO AND
[02:56:38] MAYBE A LITTLE MORE RAW THAN A
[02:56:43] POLISHED MANNER. REGARDING THAT LAST PHONE CALL
[02:56:44] YOU HAD, I BELIEVE FROM A
[02:56:47] DEMOCRAT, TALKING ABOUT BUILDING
[02:56:50] WALLS AND JESUS, I WOULD JUST
[02:56:53] LIKE TO REMIND HIM THAT IN THE
[02:56:54] OLD TESTAMENT THERE IS A WHOLE
[02:56:57] STORY ABOUT WHEN ONE OF THE OLD
[02:57:02] TESTAMENT PEOPLE PETITIONED THE
[02:57:06] PERSON THAT HE WAS UNDER TO GO
[02:57:10] BACK AND HELP REBUILD WALLS AFTER THE JEWS CAME BACK BECAUSE
[02:57:14] THE WALL NEEDED TO BE REBUILT.
[02:57:17] HOST: THAT IS LYNN FROM OREGON,
[02:57:22] A REPUBLICAN. MARK FROM NEW YORK, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. IT IS OPEN FORUM.
[02:57:28] CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[02:57:31] I WANT TO MAKE A FEW POINTS. ABOUT THE LAST GUEST YOU HAD
[02:57:35] ABOUT THE ELECTIONS AND THE
[02:57:35] MAIL-IN VOTING, IT SEEMS LIKE WE
[02:57:40] CHANGE THINGS DURING COVID AS FAR AS MAIL-IN VOTING AND THEN NEVER CHANGE THEM BACK.
[02:57:46] THAT IS WHAT I THINK IS A
[02:57:50] PROBLEM AND IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE
[02:57:53] ALL -- WE CANNOT HAVE MAIL-IN
[02:57:57] VOTING. WE SHOULD HAVE ABSENTEE VOTING
[02:57:59] WHERE PEOPLE ARE PREAPPROVED.
[02:58:02] THAT IS THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT.
[02:58:05] BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST OPENING THE DOOR FOR TROUBLE.
[02:58:08] AND AS FAR AS VOTING GOES, I
[02:58:13] THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TWO FULL
[02:58:16] DAYS AND YOU HAVE TO SHOW ID AND
[02:58:20] SO IF WE ELIMINATE -- THE OTHER
[02:58:22] THING ABOUT VOTING IS ELIMINATE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT WHERE
[02:58:26] EVERYTHING GETS BACK TO THE STATES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE GOT
[02:58:29] A NATIONAL ELECTION BUT WE GOT
[02:58:32] 50 DIFFERENT STATES DOING 50 DIFFERENT RULES.
[02:58:37] IT IS JUST TOO COMPLICATED.
[02:58:38] HOST: THIS MIDTERM ELECTION, YOU
[02:58:44] ARE VOTING FOR YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE, NOT FOR PRESIDENT.
[02:58:47] CALLER: FAIR ENOUGH BUT IN THE
[02:58:51] FEDERAL ELECTION IF THERE IS A NATIONAL ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT
[02:58:54] YOU SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RULES ACROSS ALL 50 STATES.
[02:58:59] THAT IS ALL I'M SAYING.
[02:59:00] HOST: THAT IS MARK FROM NEW YORK, INDEPENDENT.
[02:59:06] RW, I'LL ASK YOU TO BE BRIEF.
[02:59:10] EXCUSE ME. I CLICKED ON MIKE FROM OHIO.
[02:59:15] BE BRIEF FOR ME. YOU HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT.
[02:59:17] CALLER: I LIKE TO LIST -- TRUMP,
[02:59:23] WE LOVE HIM.
[02:59:26] HE IS TRYING TO FIGHT AGAINST COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISTS.
[02:59:30] HE STARTED TRUMP ACCOUNTS FOR CHILDREN. HE STRENGTHENED THE MILITARY.
[02:59:35] HE IS TRYING TO STOP A NUCLEAR IRAN.
[02:59:39] HE IS AGAINST DEFUNDING POLICE AND PRISONS.
[02:59:42] HE GAVE TAX BREAKS. DOGE, CORRUPTION, ALL THAT.
[02:59:47] I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE ALL THIS
[02:59:49] BUT HE DOES NOT EVEN ASK FOR A PAYCHECK.
[02:59:52] HE IS THE BEST PRESIDENT IN MY LIFETIME AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT.
[02:59:56] I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING MY CALL.
[02:59:57] HOST: THAT IS MIKE FROM OHIO.
[03:00:02] RW, YOU HAVE ABOUT 15 SECONDS IF
[03:00:05] YOU WANT THE LAST WORD. CALLER: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
[03:00:08] HOST: WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND?
[03:00:10] CALLER: THE COUP IS COMING.
[03:00:16] SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, GET READY.
[03:00:18] HOST: THAT IS RW FROM ARKANSAS, DEMOCRAT.
[03:00:23] THAT IS ALL THIS MORNING. ANOTHER EDITION COMES YOUR WAY AT 7:00 A.M. EASTERN TOMORROW.
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