CSPAN — Ceasefire Reps. Ed Case  Jeff Hurd
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[00:00:45] WELCOME TO CEASE FIRE, WHERE WE
[00:00:47] LOOK TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE IN AMERICAN POLITICS. >> I'M DR. BURNS, POLITICO
[00:00:51] PLAYBOOK COAUTHOR AND JOINING ME NOW FROM CAPITOL HILL, TWO
[00:00:55] GUESTS WHO HAVE AGREED TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION CIVIL EVEN WHEN
[00:00:58] THEY DISAGREE. HAWAII DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN ED
[00:01:01] CASE AND COLORADO REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN JEFF HURD.
[00:01:04] THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR JOINING THE PROGRAM. GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, DASHA.
[00:01:09] ALL RIGHT. I DO WANT TO START WITH SOMETHING THAT IS VERY ON THEME
[00:01:13] HERE AT CEASE FIRE, WHICH IS YOU ARE BOTH PART OF THE PROBLEM
[00:01:16] SOLVERS CAUCUS. I'LL START WITH YOU, CONGRESSMAN HURD.
[00:01:20] WHY DID YOU FEEL IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BECOME A PART OF THIS GROUP?
[00:01:24] >> WELL, THE PROBLEM SOLVERS IS A GROUP OF REPUBLICANS AND
[00:01:26] DEMOCRATS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO FINDING EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS TO
[00:01:29] THE MOST PRESSING PROBLEMS IN AMERICA. >> AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED IN CONGRESS IS A LOT OF
[00:01:33] PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE ARE NOT REPUBLICAN PROBLEMS OR DEMOCRATIC PROBLEMS.
[00:01:37] THEY'RE AMERICAN PROBLEMS. AND MY CONSTITUENTS EXPECT RESULTS.
[00:01:39] AND OFTENTIMES THE BEST WAY TO FORGE PUBLIC POLICY IS WHEN YOU
[00:01:42] HAVE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS COMING TOGETHER TO ADVANCE
[00:01:45] POLICY SOLUTIONS THAT ARE DURABLE AND LASTING.
[00:01:48] AND ALMOST ALL THE TIME, THOSE SOLUTIONS COME THROUGH
[00:01:51] BIPARTISAN COOPERATION. AND THE PROBLEM SOLVERS IS A GROUP OF OF COMMITTED
[00:01:54] REPUBLICANS AND COMMITTED DEMOCRATS. AND I'M JUST ATTRACTED TO GETTING STUFF DONE FOR MY DISTRICT.
[00:01:58] AND YOU DO THAT BY WORKING WITH COLLEAGUES, BOTH ON YOUR SIDE AND ACROSS THE AISLE WHO ARE
[00:02:02] SIMILARLY MINDED. SO GLAD TO BE A PART OF THAT GROUP. AND ED CASE FROM HAWAII IS A
[00:02:06] GREAT EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE DEMOCRATS THAT'S TERRIFIC TO WORK WITH. >> CONGRESSMAN CASE, WHAT ABOUT YOU?
[00:02:11] >> FIRST OF ALL, BACK TO YOU. JEFF, YOU'VE BEEN AN OUTSTANDING PARTNER, OUTSTANDING MEMBER OF
[00:02:14] THE PROBLEM SOLVERS. LOOK, I THINK I THINK MOST OF US
[00:02:18] THAT COME TO CONGRESS JUST WANT TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. WE WE WANT TO FACE UP TO OUR
[00:02:21] CHALLENGES AND SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT INTO YELLING
[00:02:24] AND SCREAMING AND SWEARING AND
[00:02:26] PRETENDING THAT OUR CHALLENGES ARE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW
[00:02:31] INSURMOUNTABLE. AND YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SUCH A DEEP DIVIDE THAT WE CAN NEVER SOLVE THEM.
[00:02:35] AND THE REALITY OF OF LEGISLATING, TRULY LEGISLATING
[00:02:38] IS THIS OUR JOBS IS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
[00:02:41] OUR JOB IS TO OVERCOME DENIAL AND ANGER AND GET INTO THE
[00:02:46] ACTUAL SOLVING OF NATIONAL ISSUES AND THE PROBLEM SOLVERS
[00:02:49] AS AT THE CENTER OF THAT AND HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE.
[00:02:51] AND IT CAME TOGETHER FOR THAT
[00:02:53] PURPOSE BECAUSE MANY OF US ON THE ON THE R AND THE D SIDE WERE
[00:02:56] FRUSTRATED WITH THE WITH THE POLITICAL DYNAMIC. WE WERE FRUSTRATED WITH THE
[00:02:59] DIALOG THAT WE WERE FRUSTRATED WITH THE DIVIDE.
[00:03:03] AND SO THE PROBLEM SOLVERS WAS
[00:03:05] WAS CREATED SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO WITH SOME VERY SPECIFIC
[00:03:09] GUIDELINES THAT ALLOW US TO
[00:03:11] FUNCTION IN A VERY SAFE PLACE TO
[00:03:13] TALK ABOUT VERY DIFFICULT ISSUES
[00:03:15] AND TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS WHERE WE CAN AND THEN TO GO OUT THERE AND ADVOCATE.
[00:03:20] WE'RE ABOUT 40 SOME ODD STRONG AT THIS POINT, EVENLY DIVIDED
[00:03:24] BETWEEN HOURS AND DAYS. WE MUST BE. AND WE HAVE WORKED ON SOME OF
[00:03:27] THE TOUGHEST STUFF THAT THAT IS OUT THERE.
[00:03:30] WE WERE CENTRAL TO THE TO THE TO THE TO THE LANDMARK HISTORIC
[00:03:35] INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS OF SOME YEARS AGO. WE'RE AT THE CENTER OF IMMIGRATION.
[00:03:38] WE HAVE WORKED ACTIVELY IN DEBT
[00:03:42] AND DEFICIT REFORM, WHICH IS
[00:03:44] VERY TOUGH STUFF. SOCIAL SECURITY, HEALTH CARE
[00:03:48] REFORM, ETC. SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO TRY TO
[00:03:53] CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. >> NOW, GENTLEMEN, CONGRESS JUST
[00:03:55] BEGAN A SEVEN WEEK RECESS.
[00:03:57] TALK ABOUT SOLVING PROBLEMS. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE LEVEL
[00:04:00] OF PROBLEM SOLVING THAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE EVERYONE HAS
[00:04:03] HAS LEFT TOWN. THIS IS SPEAKING FROM MY
[00:04:09] PERSPECTIVE, REPRESENTING MY DISTRICT. >> I'M NEVER GOING TO BE SATISFIED. THERE'S ALWAYS MORE THAT WE CAN
[00:04:12] BE DOING TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE AND
[00:04:16] WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW
[00:04:20] FOLKS HAVE PRESSING CONCERNS IN BEING AT HOME FOR THE CAMPAIGN SIDE.
[00:04:23] MY PERSPECTIVE IS I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO ALSO BE IN MY DISTRICT MEETING MY
[00:04:27] CONSTITUENTS, TELLING ME ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE WE'VE DONE HERE, BUT ALSO SOME
[00:04:30] OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AND SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THAT I DON'T THINK GET A LOT OF
[00:04:34] ATTENTION, LIKE WHAT CONGRESS VACATES AND ARE WORKING ON WITH
[00:04:37] RESPECT TO GERRYMANDERING REFORM. I AM HAPPY TO GET BACK TO MY
[00:04:41] DISTRICT AND TALK TO MY CONSTITUENTS AND SHOW THEM, HEY,
[00:04:43] I KNOW WHEN IF YOU JUST WATCH CABLE TV, IT'S SHOUTING HEADS,
[00:04:47] PEOPLE YELLING AT OTHER PEOPLE. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN CONGRESS
[00:04:50] THAT'S MEANINGFUL. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT CONGRESSMAN CASE THAT I KNOW THAT IF HE'S ANYTHING LIKE ME
[00:04:54] AND I KNOW HE IS, THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT YOU DO HERE THAT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING.
[00:04:57] BUT THERE'S THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT YOU DO THAT ARE REALLY MEANINGFUL.
[00:05:00] AND THIS INITIATE MOVE AND ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT CONGRESSMAN
[00:05:04] CASEY JUST TICKED OFF ARE IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL. AND GERRYMANDERING REFORM IS A BIG ONE.
[00:05:08] AND THIS IS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CALENDAR IS, I CAN'T CONTROL IT.
[00:05:11] ED CAN'T CONTROL IT, REGARDLESS OF THE CALENDAR IS HERE. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME
[00:05:15] HOME AND LET OUR CONSTITUENTS KNOW THE GOOD WORK THAT WE'RE DOING THAT THEY MIGHT NOT ALWAYS SEE ON TELEVISION.
[00:05:19] >> CONGRESSMAN CASE I SAW A BIT OF A SLY SMILE FROM YOU THERE
[00:05:22] WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THE RECESS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? OH, NO, IT WASN'T A SLIGHT
[00:05:26] SMILE. >> I SAID, NO, I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH THAT. WITH WITH THE LEVEL OF OUR OF
[00:05:29] OUR PROBLEMS SOLVING, WE HAVE WE HAVE MAJOR CHALLENGES FACING US
[00:05:33] NOW. WE HAVE WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE THERE.
[00:05:36] THERE ARE THE ECONOMY, AFFORDABILITY, CERTAINLY
[00:05:41] GERRYMANDERING, WHICH JEFF AND I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ON WITH OUR PROBLEMS ARE, AS I MENTIONED
[00:05:44] AND DEFICIT EARLIER. I COULD GO RIGHT DOWN THE LIST.
[00:05:47] FOREIGN POLICY. THERE ARE MANY, MANY CHALLENGES AND THE CONGRESS IS HERE TO
[00:05:51] SOLVE OUR COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS.
[00:05:55] AND SO AS JEFF AND I THINK JEFF SAID IT WELL, I'M NEVER
[00:05:59] SATISFIED WITH WITH WITH WITH, YOU KNOW, THE TIME AND THE
[00:06:03] EFFORT IN CONGRESS, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY OF THESE CHALLENGES.
[00:06:06] BUT UNDERSTAND AND BELIEVE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO HOME AND THEY HAVE TO CONNECT WITH THEIR
[00:06:12] CONSTITUENTS AS. AS I'M GOING TO DO AS WELL HERE AND WE ALL HAVE TO GET REELECTED
[00:06:15] EVERY TWO YEARS. AND SO THIS IS A TIME TO GO HOME
[00:06:18] AND TALK WITH OUR KIDS TO CHANCE. AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE'RE
[00:06:22] RECONNECTED. AND OBVIOUSLY TO ASK THEM TO BE
[00:06:26] ABLE TO CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS AND TO BE ABLE TO FACE THOSE CHALLENGES AND SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS.
[00:06:30] >> CONGRESSMAN HURD, YOU'RE A FRESHMAN. I'M CURIOUS TO GET YOUR ASSESSMENT.
[00:06:35] WHAT HAS SURPRISED YOU ABOUT CONGRESS? WHAT ENCOURAGES YOU, WHAT
[00:06:38] DISCOURAGES YOU AS YOU NEAR THE END OF YOUR FIRST TERM?
[00:06:42] MY BIGGEST SURPRISE IS THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS AND
[00:06:44] DEMOCRATS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THE RIGHT THING THAT ARE HERE FOR GOOD REASONS.
[00:06:48] >> CERTAINLY, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS THAT ARE LESS COMMITTED TO THAT AND ARE MORE
[00:06:52] INTERESTED IN PURSUING THEIR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND GETTING
[00:06:55] ON TELEVISION AND RAISING MONEY BY, YOU KNOW, THROWING
[00:06:59] RHETORICAL BOMBS. BUT THERE IS A SOLID AND DECENT
[00:07:03] NUMBER OF COLLEAGUES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE THAT ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THE RIGHT THING.
[00:07:07] UNFORTUNATELY, THE INCENTIVES IN OUR SYSTEM DON'T ALWAYS INCENT
[00:07:10] US TO TO TO WORK IN THE WAYS
[00:07:14] THAT ARE MOST EFFECTIVE HERE IN CONGRESS. BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN THE
[00:07:18] BIGGEST SURPRISE FOR ME, ARE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT I'D NEVER HEARD OF THEM.
[00:07:21] AND I'M FAIRLY IT WAS FAIRLY CONNECTED TO POLITICS, BUT I
[00:07:23] WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT I SEE AS
[00:07:25] THE MOST SERIOUS PROBLEM SOLVERS HERE. THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN THE BIGGEST
[00:07:29] SURPRISE FOR ME. I WILL TELL YOU ALSO HOW
[00:07:31] IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP CHIPS ARE
[00:07:33] IS SOMETHING THAT HAS HIT HOME TO ME.
[00:07:37] IT IS VERY HARD IF ED CASE COMES
[00:07:39] TO ME AND SAYS, HEY, JEFF, THERE IS AN ISSUE IN HAWAII THAT
[00:07:43] MATTERS. HE'S HE'S I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. I LIKE HIM.
[00:07:47] IT'S HARD FOR ME TO TO TO SAY NO, NO, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING.
[00:07:51] AND AND I'M SURE ED WOULD SAY THE SAME THING FOR ME. BUT HAVING SOMEBODY THAT YOU
[00:07:54] LIKE TO WORK WITH AND THAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO SOLVE A PROBLEM
[00:07:58] WITH IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE
[00:08:01] HERE AND RELATIONSHIPS REALLY MATTER. THOSE ARE THE TWO, TWO BIG THINGS THAT I'VE TAKEN AWAY.
[00:08:06] SO FAR IN CONGRESS. >> YOUR RELATIONSHIP HAS HAS BROUGHT YOU TO A LOT OF WORK ON
[00:08:09] ON GERRYMANDERING, WHICH YOU BOTH JUST MENTIONED AS PART OF
[00:08:12] THE PROBLEM SOLVERS CAUCUS. YOU TWO CO-LEAD THE GERRYMANDER
[00:08:15] WORKING GROUP AND YOU UNVEILED YOUR BYPASS ASSET AND REFORMS THIS WEEK.
[00:08:18] LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO SOME OF THAT. >> THIS SCOURGE OF MID-DECADE
[00:08:23] REDISTRICTING IS RELATIVELY NEW AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO STOP. >> IT'S NOT GOOD.
[00:08:27] IT'S NOT HEALTHY FOR OUR COUNTRY
[00:08:30] OR FOR OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM.
[00:08:32] THAT'S WHY CONGRESSMAN CASE ARE
[00:08:34] INTRODUCING THE PROBLEM SOLVERS
[00:08:36] TRANSPARENCY, TRANSPOWER REDISTRICTING UNDER STABLE
[00:08:41] TIMELINES ACT, THE TRUST ACT TO
[00:08:43] END MID-DECADE REDISTRICTING AND
[00:08:45] ESTABLISH A CLEAR NATIONWIDE RULE THAT MAPS ARE DRAWN ONCE A
[00:08:49] DECADE FOLLOWING CENSUS. >> WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE
[00:08:53] IS TO GO AFTER FOUR INGREDIENTS. NUMBER ONE, WHEN ARE
[00:08:57] CONGRESSIONAL MAPS DRAWN?
[00:08:59] NUMBER TWO, HOW ARE THEY DRAWN? NUMBER THREE, WHO GETS TO DRAW
[00:09:05] THEM? AND NUMBER FOUR, HOW DO WE RESOLVE DISPUTES?
[00:09:10] THOSE ARE ALL INGREDIENTS OF THE ISSUE.
[00:09:12] AND TODAY, IN THIS PARTICULAR
[00:09:15] BILL, THE TRUST ACT, WE ARE TRYING TO GET AFTER WHEN WE DRAW
[00:09:19] MAPS, I GENUINELY THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
[00:09:23] ISSUES. >> AND OUR MODERN POLITICS AND WHAT I CONSTANTLY HEAR FROM BOTH
[00:09:28] DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IS REDISTRICT DOING THIS, THIS
[00:09:31] MID-DECADE REDISTRICTING IS TERRIBLE FOR DEMOCRACY.
[00:09:35] BUT THE OTHER GUYS ARE DOING IT. SO SO WE HAVE TO DO IT TOO. AND EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THIS IS
[00:09:39] JUST INEVITABLE RACE TO THE BOTTOM.
[00:09:41] CONGRESSMAN CASE, HOW LIKELY IS
[00:09:44] IT THAT THAT ANYTHING WILL ACTUALLY MOVE HERE?
[00:09:48] >> WELL, I THINK I THINK THE I THINK THE VOTERS OUT THERE ARE
[00:09:52] DISGUSTED WITH HYPERPARTISAN GERRYMANDER. I THINK I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING
[00:09:55] TO GO HOME AND THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR ALL OVER AGAIN THAT
[00:09:59] GERRYMANDERING IS BAD, THAT IT'S
[00:10:01] IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS WE ALL WE ALL AGREE ON IT.
[00:10:04] I THINK THAT MOST AMERICANS AGREE THAT GERRYMANDERING, TO
[00:10:09] START WITH IS A BAD THING, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY DESIGN
[00:10:13] CONGRESSIONAL. AND LET'S JUST BE REALLY, REALLY CLEAR HERE BECAUSE THERE'S OFTEN
[00:10:16] SOME CONFUSION HERE. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE
[00:10:19] THE CONGRESSIONAL MAPS FOR U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
[00:10:24] DISTRICTS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT STATE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING, OBVIOUSLY, ABOUT
[00:10:28] THE U.S. SENATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE WHOLE STATE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW EACH
[00:10:31] STATE IS ALLOCATED AND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.
[00:10:33] SO THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IS WHAT WE'RE
[00:10:38] TALKING.
[00:10:44] ABOUT. AND GERRYMANDERING, WHERE ESSENTIALLY THE POLITICIANS TRY TO PICK THEIR VOTERS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE EDGE, RESULTING IN VERY, VERY WEIRD MAPS, VERY
[00:10:48] DISCONNECT THAT MAPS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM.
[00:10:50] WHAT HAS MADE IT VERY WORSE IN THIS IS, IS THAT IT'S JUST SO
[00:10:54] HYPER PARTIZAN NOW AND AND MODERN TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS FOR
[00:10:56] SUCH INCREDIBLE DISTINCTIONS IN
[00:10:59] TERMS OF HOW YOU DRAW THOSE MAPS FOR A DISTINCT POLITICAL PURPOSE.
[00:11:03] AND THEN ADD ON TOP OF THAT THAT WE ARE NOW IN, AS YOU ALREADY
[00:11:07] PUT IT, A SERIES OF DESCENDING
[00:11:09] WARS OVER THAT WHERE WE ARE
[00:11:11] BASICALLY INTO IN EVERY SINGLE
[00:11:14] CYCLE REDISTRICTING AND THAT AND THAT CAUSES MULTIPLE PROBLEMS.
[00:11:18] BUT AT THE TOP LEVEL, THE
[00:11:20] PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S CORROSIVE TO DEMOCRACY.
[00:11:22] IT DISILLUSIONED VOTERS, IT DISENFRANCHIZES VOTERS.
[00:11:26] AND IT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE
[00:11:30] WORKINGS OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY DESTROYS PROBLEM
[00:11:34] SOLVING. IT ACTUALLY RESULTS IN A
[00:11:37] PREDOMINANCE OF MORE EXTREME POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT REALLY
[00:11:41] INTERESTED AND PROBLEM SOLVING AND THE DETRIMENT OF REALLY
[00:11:45] DESTROYING THAT ARE COMPETITIVE, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY WILL SEE THE
[00:11:48] SOLVING OF A PROBLEM IN OUR COUNTRY THROUGH DEBATE AND
[00:11:52] THROUGH THE PROBLEM SOLVERS AND OTHER GROUPS SITTING DOWN AND
[00:11:54] TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FIGURE THEM OUT. >> BUT CONGRESSMAN HURD, GIVEN IT, IS ACTUALLY THE POLITICIANS
[00:11:58] THAT ARE ALSO BEHIND THIS, WHAT
[00:12:02] KIND OF RESPONSE ARE YOU GETTING FROM FROM YOUR COLLEAGUES ON
[00:12:04] BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE HERE? >> CERTAINLY, I THINK THERE IS A
[00:12:08] LARGE MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT ARE UNHAPPY WITH IT. I'LL TELL YOU, WITH EVEN THE
[00:12:12] MEMBERS THAT ARE IN DISTRICTS OR IN STATES THAT ARE BEING
[00:12:15] REDISTRICTED IN THE REDISTRICTED THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN
[00:12:18] ADVANTAGE, THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
[00:12:20] I WILL ALSO SAY ED HAD A GREAT POINT.
[00:12:23] THIS GETS THE ISSUE OF CORRUPTION, TRUST IN GOVERNMENT
[00:12:27] VOTERS, CHOOSING POLITICIANS NOT POLITICIANS CHOOSING THE VOTERS.
[00:12:30] IT ALSO GETS TO THE ISSUE OF HOW WE CAN BE EFFECTIVE LEGISLATOR.
[00:12:34] THERE IS NO WAY THAT I COULD BE AS EFFECTIVE A LEGISLATOR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY
[00:12:38] CONSTITUENTS ARE GOING TO BE IN TWO YEARS AND IN GETTING TO KNOW
[00:12:40] THEM AND UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND UNDERSTAND THE CITIES AND IN
[00:12:44] PARTS OF MY DISTRICT, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT. IF IN TWO YEARS I'M GOING TO BE
[00:12:50] REPRESENTING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PART OF THE DISTRICT OR RUNNING IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PART OF THE DISTRICT.
[00:12:53] AND SO IT'S ALSO FUNDAMENTALLY NOT FAIR TO THE VOTERS IN THAT
[00:12:56] SENSE AS WELL AS THAT THEIR MEMBER OF CONGRESS IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THEM WELL
[00:13:00] WHEN THE BOUNDARIES ARE CONSTANT CHANGING.
[00:13:02] WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR. IT'S 2026.
[00:13:06] THERE'S ONLY A YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE NEXT
[00:13:09] CENSUS, I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT AS
[00:13:12] WE GET CLOSER, THE CHANCES OF US GETTING THIS BILL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE ARE ONLY GOING TO
[00:13:16] GET HIGHER. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PUSHING IT IN.
[00:13:18] THE PROBLEM SOLVERS CAUCUS. AND I WILL TELL YOU, THE SUPPORT
[00:13:21] FOR IT IS BROADER THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT NECESSARILY THINK OF.
[00:13:25] IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT AT AT THE HEADLINES. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER
[00:13:29] ISSUE THAT WE ARE SEEING INCREASINGLY BOTH ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL ON CAPITOL HILL.
[00:13:32] THE WHITE HOUSE IS DEALING WITH IT AND AMERICANS AT LARGE ARE
[00:13:35] KIND OF FREAKING OUT OVER IT RIGHT NOW. AND THAT IS, OF COURSE,
[00:13:39] ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND THE DEBATE OVER WHAT TO DO WITH A
[00:13:42] AI, WHO SHOULD TAKE ACTION, WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE. I SAT DOWN WITH LOUISIANA
[00:13:46] REPUBLICAN SENATOR BILL CASSIDY FOR MY PODCAST, THE CONVERSATION.
[00:13:48] HERE'S WHAT HE TOLD ME ABOUT IT. LOOK WHO SHOULD BE SETTING THE GUARDRAILS.
[00:13:52] SHOULD IT BE JUST THE A.I. COMPANIES THEMSELVES OR SHOULD BE CONGRESS?
[00:13:56] >> OKAY, NOW, NOW, BY THE WAY, IT HAS TO BE DYNAMIC. >> IT MAY ALSO BE THE COURTS.
[00:13:59] >> IT MAY ALSO BE THE COURTS. >> I DO THINK THERE'S A BIG ROLE FOR GOVERNMENT REGULATION.
[00:14:02] >> ABSOLUTELY. AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S CERTAINLY
[00:14:06] WITH PRECEDENT. ANYTHING THAT IS THIS TRANSFORMATIVE.
[00:14:09] >> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO WEIGH IN ON AND THE AMERICAN
[00:14:13] PEOPLE EXPRESS THEIR THOUGHTS AND ANXIETIES AND HOPES AND
[00:14:15] ASPIRATIONS THROUGH REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.
[00:14:19] >> CONGRESSMAN HUNTER, DO YOU AGREE WITH SENATOR CASSIDY?
[00:14:22] THERE THAT THE CONGRESS SHOULD TAKE A BIG ROLE IN THIS?
[00:14:25] >> I WOULD SAY RUSSIA HAS AN
[00:14:28] EXTRAORDINARY POTENTIAL TO IMPROVE PRODUCTIVITY, SCIENTIFIC
[00:14:31] RESEARCH, SCIENTIFIC ADVANCES, MEDICINE, NATIONAL SECURITY, ENERGY, ALL THOSE PARTS OF
[00:14:35] AMERICAN LIFE. BUT IT ALSO PRESENTS LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK MY
[00:14:39] CONSTITUENTS AND MOST MEMBERS OF CONGRESS CONSTITUENTS ARE
[00:14:43] CONCERNED ABOUT. PRIVACY ISSUES, FRAUD,
[00:14:45] CYBERSECURITY, NATIONAL SECURITY
[00:14:48] ISSUES, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, WORKFORCE DISRUPTION.
[00:14:51] THESE ARE ISSUES THAT DON'T STOP
[00:14:53] AT STATE LINES AND IT'S A NATIONAL ECONOMIC SECURITY ISSUE.
[00:14:56] AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I THINK CONGRESS SHOULD TAKE THESE
[00:15:00] ISSUES SERIOUSLY. BUT WE SHOULDN'T ASSUME THAT
[00:15:03] EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM REQUIRES THE SAME REGULATORY RESPONSE. I DEFINITELY SUPPORT IDENTIFYING
[00:15:09] SPECIFIC RISKS AND DETERMINING WHETHER THE LAW THAT WE HAVE
[00:15:13] ADDRESSES THEM BEFORE CREATING ENTIRELY NEW, BROAD REGULATORY STRUCTURES.
[00:15:17] BUT CERTAINLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IMPLICATES INTERSTATE COMMERCE AND CONGRESS SHOULD BE TAKING A VERY CAREFUL
[00:15:22] LOOK AT IT. AND THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE ONE THAT'S BIPARTISAN. >> CONGRESSMAN CASE, I SEE YOU NODDING THERE.
[00:15:26] DO YOU AGREE WITH CONGRESSMAN HURD? I DO VERY MUCH.
[00:15:30] >> LET'S START WITH SOME BASICS HERE.
[00:15:32] ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS HERE TO STAY. IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.
[00:15:35] IT IS GOING TO SHAPE OUR FUTURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS GOING
[00:15:40] TO BE CENTRAL. FAR MORE CENTRAL TO OUR LIVES,
[00:15:43] FOR BETTER AND WORSE IN THE
[00:15:46] COMING DAYS, YEARS AND DECADES.
[00:15:49] AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE DEBATE ABOUT, LET'S PUT ARTIFICIAL
[00:15:53] INTELLIGENCE BACK IN SOME BOTTLE AND PUT IT UP ON A SHELF, YOU
[00:15:54] KNOW, IS IS COMPARABLE TO SAYING
[00:15:57] THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION CAN'T HAPPEN EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, IN THE
[00:16:01] SITUATION IS IT'S ACTUALLY
[00:16:03] BROADER IN TERMS OF IMPACT AND FAR MORE ACCELERATED.
[00:16:06] AND AS AS REPORTED SAID, IT'S
[00:16:09] ACROSS THE BOARD. I HAPPEN TO SPEND MOST OF MY TIME IN CONGRESS AND NATIONAL
[00:16:13] DEFENSE AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS CRITICAL TO NATIONAL DEFENSE AND OUR
[00:16:18] ADVERSARIES ARE DEFINITELY PURSUING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. AND THAT'S GOING TO SHAPE
[00:16:21] NATIONAL DEFENSE. AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF
[00:16:24] ISSUES WHERE THIS IS A REALITY AND THERE'S TREMENDOUS
[00:16:28] OPPORTUNITY BUT TREMENDOUS RISK ALSO.
[00:16:30] AND THERE IS NOBODY ELSE REALLY
[00:16:33] THAT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO
[00:16:36] FASHION THE PROPER LEVELS OF A
[00:16:40] BALANCE SIGNAL OF VARIOUS
[00:16:42] INTERESTS OF OF OF FACILITATING
[00:16:45] DEVELOPMENT AND REALIZATION OF OPPORTUNITY.
[00:16:48] WELL, WELL, ADDRESSING RISK THEN CONGRESS, IT FALLS UPON US.
[00:16:52] THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER INSTITUTION THAT CAN DO THAT. SO THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER
[00:16:55] WE SHOULD DO IT, BUT HOW WE SHOULD DO IT. AND WE WE HAVE CERTAINLY DRAGGED
[00:16:58] OUR FEET ON IT UNTIL WE'RE AT
[00:17:02] THE POINT THAT WE HAVE SEEN AND
[00:17:05] IN THE NATIONAL DEBATE JUST THIS MONTH WITH WHAT SOME OF THE
[00:17:08] RISKS BEING VERY OBVIOUS. AND SO THIS IS AND WE CAN'T
[00:17:11] LEAVE BUT EXCLUSIVELY TO THE STATES. SO THEY CAN CAN'T BE ONE
[00:17:15] STANDARD FOR ONE STATE AND ONE STANDARD FOR ANOTHER STATE.
[00:17:18] AND IT ACTUALLY, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WOULD IT BE AN
[00:17:22] INTERNATIONAL STANDARD BECAUSE THESE RISKS ARE DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT STATE LINES.
[00:17:26] THEY DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT COUNTRY LINES OR INTERNET NATIONAL.
[00:17:29] AND SO THAT SHOULD BE OUR GOAL. AND CONGRESS HAS TO TURN TO THIS.
[00:17:34] SO THAT'S THE REALITY. >> WELL, PRESIDENT TRUMP THINKS
[00:17:37] IT'S ACTUALLY ON ON HIM TO TO
[00:17:39] SET THE DIRECTION HERE.
[00:17:41] HE RECENTLY WROTE ON TRUE SOCIAL THAT THE ONLY CONTROL OR
[00:17:46] GUARDRAILS THAT AI NEEDS IS A STRONG AND SMART HIGH IQ
[00:17:48] PARENTHESES PRESIDENT AND THE
[00:17:50] USA HAS THAT IN SPADES.
[00:17:53] CONGRESSMAN HURD, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE PRESIDENT'S
[00:17:56] STATEMENT THERE AND HIM COMING OUT AND CALLING, YOU KNOW,
[00:17:59] ANYTHING BAD ABOUT AI A HOAX THIS WEEK? WELL, I THINK CONGRESS HAS AN
[00:18:03] INDEPENDENT RESPONSIBILITY TO EXAMINE THESE QUESTIONS EXACTLY
[00:18:05] LIKE CONGRESSMAN CASE HAD TO SAY WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY LISTEN TO
[00:18:10] THE ADMINISTRATION. >> WE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES,
[00:18:13] RESEARCHERS, NATIONAL SECURITY PROFESSIONALS, WORKERS, OUR
[00:18:17] CONSUMERS, OTHERS AFFECTED BY THE TECHNOLOGY, OUR CONSTITUENTS.
[00:18:20] BUT ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO SEE WHAT LAWS ARE NEEDED.
[00:18:24] IF THERE ARE EXISTING LAWS THAT ARE ADEQUATE, WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY USE THEM.
[00:18:27] BUT WHERE THERE ARE IDENTIFIABLE
[00:18:29] GAPS THAT RAISE SERIOUS HARMS, CONGRESS SHOULD DETERMINE
[00:18:34] WHETHER LEGISLATION THAT'S APPROPRIATELY TAILORED IS
[00:18:38] NECESSARY, AND WE SHOULD WORK HARD TO IMPLEMENT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BEGIN
[00:18:40] FROM EITHER EXTREME. YOU KNOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD REGULATE EVERY SINGLE
[00:18:44] THING OR THAT CONGRESS SHOULD SIMPLY IGNORE LEGITIMATE RISKS.
[00:18:47] THE RIGHT, I THINK PATH IS SOMEWHERE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
[00:18:50] YEAH. >> TO THAT POINT, CONGRESSMAN CASE, YOU'VE GOT THE PRESIDENT SAYING NO GUARDRAILS AND YOU'VE
[00:18:54] GOT SOMEONE LIKE SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS SAYING WE NEED TO PAUSE,
[00:18:57] WE NEED A MORE ATRIUM. DO YOU THINK SENATOR SANDERS IS
[00:19:01] WRONG? DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT IS WRONG OR IS IT TO CONGRESSMAN
[00:19:05] HURD'S POINT, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE?
[00:19:08] >> WELL, I DO I DO LIVE AND WORK IN THE MIDDLE.
[00:19:11] AND SO I DON'T GRAVITATE TOWARDS
[00:19:15] THE THE EXTREME STATEMENTS ON EITHER SIDE.
[00:19:17] OTHER THAN THAT, THEY FRAME THE THEY FRAME THE OVERALL ISSUES.
[00:19:21] SO THEY'RE VALUABLE. I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T DENY IT.
[00:19:23] THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE NATIONAL DEBATE.
[00:19:26] SHOULD WE SHOULD WE ALLOW AI TO
[00:19:29] DEVELOP AND AND, YOU KNOW, GO OUT THERE UNFETTERED?
[00:19:32] NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD. SHOULD WE SHUT IT DOWN?
[00:19:36] NO, I DON'T DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD. NOR DO I THINK THAT WE CAN.
[00:19:40] AND SO THE ANSWER IS AN
[00:19:44] INCLUSIVE, DIFFICULT BUT FULL A
[00:19:48] DISCUSS. AND THAT REQUIRES THE BEST OF
[00:19:51] US, REALLY REQUIRES US TO KIND OF RISE ABOVE YOU KNOW,
[00:19:54] INDIVIDUAL PAROCHIAL INTERESTS OR THE INTERESTS OF ANY ONE
[00:19:57] COMPANY OR CONSTITUENCY, SAY,
[00:19:59] AND DECIDE ON WHAT ARE REALLY
[00:20:02] ONE OF THE MOST MOMENTOUS
[00:20:04] DECISIONS THAT OUR COUNTRY, OUR WORLD, ARE GOING TO MAKE IN A
[00:20:08] GENERATION. AND HOW HOW DO WE HOW DO WE
[00:20:11] CAPTURE THE OPPORTUNITIES OF AI
[00:20:13] EXCEPT AND AND AND GO WITH THE
[00:20:17] THE THE INEVITABILITY OF IT AND
[00:20:19] YET CONTROL RISKS ON AN INTERNATIONAL SCALE, THAT THAT'S
[00:20:23] A MULTIFACETED ISSUE. FRANKLY, IT'S IT'S PERFECT FOR THE PROBLEM SOLVERS FIGHTING
[00:20:27] SHOULD ACTUALLY GET INTO THIS
[00:20:29] REPORT WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE.
[00:20:31] >> WELL THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD
[00:20:33] IS ON YOUR SHOULDERS, GENTLEMEN,
[00:20:35] AT THE PROBLEM SOLVERS CAUCUS.
[00:20:38] LET'S TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE MIDTERMS, BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING
[00:20:40] SO CLOSE HERE. THIS NEW NEW YORK TIMES SIENA
[00:20:44] POLL HAS NOW FOUND THAT 49% OF
[00:20:47] LIKELY VOTERS PREFER A CANDIDATE THAT WANTS TO PROVIDE A CHECK ON
[00:20:51] TRUMP, WHILE.
[00:21:00] 26 PREFER A CANDIDATE THAT SUPPORTS TRUMP AND 21% SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER. LAST WEEK AT THE REPUBLICAN MIDTERM CONVENTION, PRESIDENT TRUMP ONCE AGAIN ASKED VOTERS TO
[00:21:04] TREAT THE ELECTION AS THOUGH HE IS ON THE BALLOT. LISTEN, I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT.
[00:21:07] >> YOU GOT TO PRETEND I'M NOT ON THE TICKET. YOU GOT TO DO ME A BIG THE
[00:21:11] BIGGEST FAVOR YOU'VE EVER DONE ME. YOU'VE GOT TO DO THIS FOR ME.
[00:21:15] YOU'VE GOT TO PRETEND I'M ON THE TICKET. I'M ON THE TICKET. I'M ON THE TICKET.
[00:21:19] HE'S ON THE TICKET. PRETEND I'M ON DETECTING
[00:21:23] CONGRESSMAN HER. >> GIVEN THE POLLING NUMBERS YOU JUST SAW AND THE PRESIDENT'S UP
[00:21:27] POPULARITY OR LACK THEREOF, RIGHT NOW, IS HE PUTTING
[00:21:30] REPUBLICANS LIKE YOURSELF IN A BIND WHEN HE SAYS, I'M ON THE
[00:21:34] BALLOT? >> WELL, LOOK, I THINK I TRY NOT
[00:21:37] TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME PREDICTING ELECTION OUTCOMES AND
[00:21:40] I CAN ONLY SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY ON ON MY RACE IN MY DISTRICT.
[00:21:44] THERE ARE 435 INDIVIDUAL HOUSE RACES AND VOTERS IN EACH
[00:21:47] DISTRICT ARE GOING TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION. AND BUT IT IS THAT KIND OF
[00:21:50] MESSAGE HELPFUL FOR YOU PERSONALLY?
[00:21:52] >> WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO ME AND MY KIDS, I THINK I'VE
[00:21:56] DEMONSTRATED AN INDEPENDENCE AND A WILLINGNESS TO WHERE I AGREE
[00:21:58] WITH THE PRESIDENT AND WITH THE ADMINISTRATION'S PRIORITIES. >> I'VE BEEN WITH HIM.
[00:22:02] BUT WHERE I DISAGREE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON TARIFFS, I WAS THE ONE REPUBLICAN THAT LOST THE
[00:22:06] PRESIDENT'S ENDORSEMENT FOR A WHILE THIS CYCLE BECAUSE OF MY
[00:22:08] VOTE ON ON TARIFFS. WHEN IT COMES TO PREDICTING
[00:22:12] PERMITTING CERTAINTY, WHEN IT COMES TO EXTENDING THE
[00:22:16] AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. BUT BY THE WAY, SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE PROBLEM SOLVERS DID,
[00:22:19] THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, ENHANCED PREMIUM TAX CREDITS.
[00:22:22] THAT'S A PROBLEM SOLVERS ISSUE THAT WE ADDRESSED.
[00:22:25] I THINK THE VOTERS IN MY DISTRICT SAY, HEY, HERE'S A
[00:22:29] REPRESENTATIVE THAT REPRESENTS A DISTRICT. HE DELIVERS RESULTS. HE FIGHTS FOR HIS DISTRICT WHERE
[00:22:33] HE AGREES WITH THE PRESIDENT. WE SEE THAT HE'S REPRESENTING
[00:22:36] OUR DISTRICT, BUT HE'S NOT AFRAID TO STAND UP AND SHOW INDEPENDENTS AS WELL.
[00:22:39] >> CONGRESSMAN CASE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO
[00:22:43] MAKE THIS ELECTION ABOUT THE PRESIDENT A REFERENDUM ON TRUMP.
[00:22:47] IS IS THAT ENOUGH?
[00:22:49] DO DEMOCRATS NEED TO DO MORE TO
[00:22:51] BUILD AN AFFIRMATIVE VISION AND
[00:22:53] PARTY PLATFORM FOR FOR VOTERS? >> FIRST OF ALL, THE ANSWER TO
[00:22:57] YOUR QUESTION IS YES. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DEMOCRATS
[00:23:01] HAVE TO DO. BUT I START WITH THE PREMISE, WHICH IS THE PRESIDENT IS
[00:23:05] CORRECT. WHETHER HE ASKED TO BE ON THE TICKET OR NOT, IT'S GOING HE IS ON THE TICKET.
[00:23:08] THIS IS GOING TO BE A REFERENDUM ON PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I THINK
[00:23:11] WHAT'S ON PEOPLE'S MINDS IS, IS IS NOT ONLY WHETHER THEY AGREE
[00:23:15] OR DISAGREE WITH WITH THE PRESIDENT, NOT ONLY WHETHER THEY
[00:23:18] BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DELIVERED ON THEIR TOP CONCERNS,
[00:23:21] FOR EXAMPLE, AFFORDABILITY AND THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY AND
[00:23:26] JOBS. BUT YOU PUT IT EXACTLY RIGHT, WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AN
[00:23:30] INDEPENDENT CHECK AND BALANCE IN CONGRESS. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A
[00:23:34] LEGITIMATE QUESTION FOR VOTERS
[00:23:37] TO ASK IS IS DOING NEED IN THIS
[00:23:39] TIME AND WITH THIS PRESIDENCY.
[00:23:41] CHECKS AND BALANCES IN CONGRESS, WHETHER THOSE PEOPLE ARE, AS
[00:23:45] JEFF ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, ARE
[00:23:47] AS CAPABLE OF CHECKING AND BALANCING THIS PRESIDENT. ARE THESE.
[00:23:51] AND SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO
[00:23:53] THAT'S GOING TO ABSOLUTE BE WHAT
[00:23:58] INFLUENCES THIS ELECTION THE MOST.
[00:24:00] AND I THINK THAT YOUR SECOND
[00:24:02] POINT, WHICH IS THE DEMOCRATS NEED MORE. ABSOLUTELY.
[00:24:06] BECAUSE THE REASON THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT PREVAILED IN SOME OF THESE ELECTIONS WHERE,
[00:24:09] FRANKLY, I THINK DEMOCRATS SHOULD HAVE PREVAILED IS BECAUSE
[00:24:13] ALL THEY DID, ALL WE DID WAS TO
[00:24:15] SAY HOW BAD THE OTHER SIDE WAS WITHOUT OFFERING OUR OWN
[00:24:19] ALTERNATIVE. AND THAT FORCED MANY VOTERS,
[00:24:22] INCLUDING THOSE IN THE MIDDLE, WHO MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THESE
[00:24:26] ELECTIONS, WHO IS PRESIDENT, WHO IS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS THAT FORCED THEM TO A VERY BAD CHOICE?
[00:24:29] I DON'T LIKE THE PERSON THAT THE DEMOCRATS SAY I DON'T LIKE, BUT
[00:24:33] I'M NOT SURE THAT I'VE I'VE HEARD A GOOD ALTERNATIVE. AND SO I'VE GOT TO MAKE A BAD CHOICE HERE.
[00:24:37] AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE
[00:24:38] ANSWER TO TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SECOND ELECTION.
[00:24:41] SO I HOPE MY DEMOCRATS LEARNED THAT LESSON AND LEARN HOW TO
[00:24:45] TALK TO THE VOTERS THAT ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER
[00:24:49] DEMOCRATS, YOU KNOW, DO DO PREVAIL IN THE MIDTERMS.
[00:24:52] >> CONGRESSMAN CASEY, ALSO YOU RECENTLY FENDED OFF A PRIMARY
[00:24:56] CHALLENGE FROM A PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE. I'M CURIOUS TO GET YOUR
[00:24:58] PERSPECTIVE ON THIS DEBATE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY
[00:25:02] AND THE PROGRESSIVE WINS THAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THESE VARIOUS
[00:25:06] RACES. WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS PARTY IS
[00:25:08] HEADED AND HOW SHOULD THE PARTY
[00:25:11] AT LARGE HANDLE THESE FACTIONS, PARTICULARLY FOLKS IN THE DSA
[00:25:15] AND THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT?
[00:25:19] >> WELL, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT IT IS A VERY
[00:25:21] DIFFICULT DISCUSSION INSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RIGHT NOW
[00:25:25] BETWEEN A MODERATE MAINSTREAM
[00:25:27] VIEW OF POLITICS AND A FAR MORE EXTREME VIEW OF POLITICS.
[00:25:30] AND BY THE WAY, I WE'RE NOT ALONE. I MEAN, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS THE SAME DISCUSSION GOING ON
[00:25:33] INSIDE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. SO I WOULD ALMOST CHARACTERIZE
[00:25:37] THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE VOTERS OF
[00:25:41] THIS COUNTRY ON A BELL CURVE, RIGHT, WHERE THE WHERE THE THE
[00:25:45] PEAK OF THAT BELL AND THE MIDDLE IS, IS REALLY THE MODERATE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY, WHETHER
[00:25:49] YOU WANT TO CALL THEM R'S D'S EYES OR ANYTHING ELSE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT KIND OF THE
[00:25:53] FAR RIGHT AND THE FAR LEFT IS
[00:25:56] THE IS THAT AND AND I THINK YOU CAN TELL FROM MY DISCUSSION THAT
[00:25:59] I CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE IN THAT THAT MODERATE MIDDLE PROBLEM
[00:26:03] SOLVING PART OF THE COUNTRY
[00:26:05] WHICH WHICH PARTY IS GOING TO BE
[00:26:07] ABLE TO DEVELOP A MANDATE TO TO
[00:26:12] GOVERN IN THAT WAY. WELL INCORPORATING IN SOME WAY,
[00:26:15] SHAPE OR FORM ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW
[00:26:19] INSIDE THEIR PARTY. AND SO THIS IS I THINK THE PARTY SHOULD BE A TENT PARTY AND BRING
[00:26:23] THOSE FOLKS IN, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. >> YOU KNOW, AND WHILE THE THE
[00:26:27] THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT THE PARTY CAN PERFECTLY REPRESENT
[00:26:31] SOME OF THE CONSTITUENCIES WITHIN THE PARTY AND BE A
[00:26:34] BEAUTIFUL MINORITY PARTY, AND I'M NOT PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THAT.
[00:26:38] >> SO, YES, THIS PARTY NEEDS TO
[00:26:42] MAKE THAT ACCOMMODATION. IN MY CASE, IN MY DISTRICT, THE
[00:26:46] VOTERS TOOK A LOOK AND SAID, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
[00:26:49] BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THAT'S A CENTRAL ISSUE THAT IS THAT IS THAT IS GOING TO TURN
[00:26:53] THIS ELECTION. THAT CENTRAL ISSUE WILL TURN
[00:26:55] THIS ELECTORATE WHICH WAY THE VOTERS THINK, WHICH PARTY IS WHICH PARTY HAS DEMONSTRATED
[00:26:59] THAT THEY REPRESENT THE THE
[00:27:03] MAINSTREAM OF VOTERS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WANT THEIR PROBLEMS
[00:27:06] SOLVED RATHER THAN TALK ABOUT
[00:27:08] ISSUES THAT THEY DON'T THINK ARE PARTICULARLY RELEVANT. THAT'S TRUE. AND US SENATE RACES ACROSS OUR
[00:27:13] COUNTRY. THAT'S TRUE IN U.S. HOUSE RACES ACROSS THAT COUNTRY.
[00:27:16] AND IT IS IT IS A PRELUDE TO THE
[00:27:20] PRESIDENTIAL RACE IN JUST TWO YEARS. YEAH. >> CONGRESSMAN HURD, REPUBLICANS
[00:27:24] HAVE DEALT WITH THIS AS WELL.
[00:27:26] HOW HOW ARE YOU SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE DEMOCRATIC
[00:27:30] PARTY AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR FOR REPUBLICANS BOTH IN THE
[00:27:33] MIDTERMS AND AND GOING FORWARD?
[00:27:36] >> WELL, LISTEN, I THINK HAVING
[00:27:38] HEALTHY PARTIES THAT HAVE THEIR
[00:27:41] CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, DISAGREEMENT, BUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, WHEN
[00:27:43] YOU'RE IN THE MINORITY, LOYAL, LOYAL OPPOSITION, BUT BEING ABLE
[00:27:48] TO UNDERSTAND AND SHARE A PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO
[00:27:53] ADDRESS IN THIS COUNTRY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND SO AS I LOOK AT IT FROM THE
[00:27:56] OUTSIDE AND LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, IT'S IT'S SIMILAR TO HOW I LOOK AT MY OWN
[00:28:01] PARTY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE APPEALING TO VOTERS, THAT WE'RE
[00:28:03] NOT JUST APPEALING TO THE MOST FRINGE ELEMENTS OF OF OF OUR
[00:28:07] PARTIES, BUT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT WITH PEOPLE ON THE THINGS THAT MATTER.
[00:28:11] WHAT I TELL PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT IS I NEED THE VOTES OF PEOPLE THAT ONLY AGREE WITH ME
[00:28:15] ON SEVEN OUT OF TEN ISSUES OR AT
[00:28:17] A TEN ISSUES IN AND JUST
[00:28:21] DEMANDING PERFECTION AND PURITY IS NOT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE
[00:28:24] RIGHT WAY TO APPEAL TO PEOPLE. WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND PRAGMATIC.
[00:28:28] I DESCRIBE MYSELF AS CONSERVATIVE, BUT ALSO PRAGMATIC. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
[00:28:33] PROBLEMS SOLVERS WORKS IS ACTUALLY IN THE NAME OF WHAT WE
[00:28:35] IDENTIFY PROBLEMS SPECIFICALLY, AND THEN WE CAN SOLVE THEM.
[00:28:39] AND OFTENTIMES THAT BRINGS TOGETHER REPUBLICANS THAT ARE
[00:28:43] MORE CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICANS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE AND DEMOCRATS THAT ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE, DEMOCRATS THAN
[00:28:46] DEMOCRATS THAT ARE ON THE LEFT. AND IF WE CAN DEFINE THESE PROBLEMS NARROWLY, WE CAN SOLVE
[00:28:51] THEM. AND THAT'S THE SORT OF PERSPECTIVE THAT I WANT TO HAVE
[00:28:54] WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO WIN RACES.
[00:28:57] I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HOLD OUR MAJORITY. BUT PART OF THE WAY THAT WE DO
[00:29:01] THAT IS BEING BY BEING A HEALTHY PARTY WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN
[00:29:03] PARTY, APPEALING TO VOTERS, SOLVING PROBLEMS AND IN BUILDING
[00:29:07] TRUST IN GOVERNMENT. >> PLUS, WE ARE IN THIS VERY INTERESTING SORT OF HORSESHOE
[00:29:11] THEORY MOMENT OF POLITICS WHERE YOU SAYING YOU'RE SAYING FOLKS
[00:29:13] LIKE BERNIE SANDERS AND STEVE BANNON AT THE SAME EVENT TALKING
[00:29:17] ABOUT AND SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TERMS. SO A LOT OF INTERESTING OVERLAP
[00:29:21] THESE DAYS, GENTLEMEN. THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
[00:29:24] HAWAII DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN ED CASE AND COLORADO REPUBLICAN
[00:29:28] CONGRESSMAN JEFF HURD. THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING ME.
[00:29:30] GREAT TO BE WITH YOU VERY MUCH. >> AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER IN
[00:29:34] THIS SHOW, THE DEBATE OVER HOW TO REGULATE ARTIFICIAL
[00:29:38] INTELLIGENCE HAS HEATED UP IN RECENT WEEKS WITH LAWMAKERS AND
[00:29:40] TECH LEADERS DEBATING HOW TO KEEP THE TECHNOLOGY'S
[00:29:44] DEVELOPMENT FROM MOVING FASTER THAN SAFETY MEASURES.
[00:29:47] >> THAT BRINGS US TO THIS WEEK'S C-SPAN FLASHBACK, WHERE WE DIG
[00:29:51] INTO THE VIDEO ARCHIVES. WHAT ARE THE EARLY AND MOST
[00:29:53] PROMINENT VOICES TO RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT A.I. WAS ELON
[00:29:57] MUSK. HERE HE IS IN 2017, SPEAKING AT THE NATIONAL GOVERNORS
[00:30:01] ASSOCIATION. SUMMER MEETING.
[00:30:04] >> A.I. IS A FUNDAMENTAL RISK TO THE EXISTENCE OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION.
[00:30:08] I THINK THERE'S THERE'S A ROLE FOR REGULATORS THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
[00:30:12] AND I'M AGAINST OVERREGULATION, FOR SURE.
[00:30:16] BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT A GET ON THAT WITH AI PRONTO.
[00:30:20] I REALLY THINK WE NEED GOVERNMENT REGULATION HERE.
[00:30:23] JUST A BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ENSURING THE PUBLIC GOOD
[00:30:27] IS SERVED BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT COMPANIES THAT ARE RACING TO
[00:30:30] KIND OF HAVE TO RACE TO BUILD AI
[00:30:31] OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE MADE ON
[00:30:37] COMPETITIVE WHEN IT'S COOL AND WORKING AND REGULATORS ARE CONVINCED THAT IT'S SAFE TO
[00:30:40] PROCEED, THEN YOU CAN GO.
[00:30:41] BUT OTHERWISE SLOW DOWN.
[00:30:45] AND BUT BUT IT CAN NEEDS REGULATORS TO DO THAT. FOR ALL THE TEAMS IN THE GAME,
[00:30:49] YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE THE
[00:30:52] SHAREHOLDERS WOULD BE SAYING LIKE, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU
[00:30:54] DEVELOPING AI FASTER BECAUSE
[00:30:58] YOUR COMPETITOR IS NEARLY A
[00:31:02] DECADE LATER. >> THE DEBATE MUSK WARNED ABOUT HAS NOW MOVED FROM THE FUTURE TO
[00:31:07] THE.
[00:31:13] PRESENT. AND WHILE HE STILL ADVOCATES FOR GOVERNMENT IMPOSED GUARDRAILS ON ADVANCED AI, HE IS ALSO BUILDING HIS OWN ADVANCED A.I. MODELS TO DISCUSS THE POLICY DEBATE OVER
[00:31:17] ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND OTHER TOP POLITICAL STORIES OF THE WEEK. I'VE GOT TWO PROS FROM BOTH
[00:31:20] SIDES OF THE AISLE. DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST MO
[00:31:24] ELLEITHEE, FORMER SENIOR SPOKESMAN FOR SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON.
[00:31:27] PLUS A FORMER DNC COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR AND REPUBLICAN
[00:31:31] STRATEGIST ASHLEY DAVIS. SHE'S A FORMER SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE HOMELAND SECURITY
[00:31:35] DIRECTOR AND FORMER DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION, BOTH DURING THE
[00:31:39] GEORGE W BUSH ADMINISTRATION. THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
[00:31:43] THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
[00:31:45] LET'S GET STARTED ON A.I. THAT FLASHBACK IS SO WILD TO
[00:31:50] WATCH. SO MUCH HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN.
[00:31:52] HAS EITHER PARTY HAVE A CLEAR PLAN FOR AI?
[00:31:54] >> ASHLEY? WELL, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S
[00:31:58] GOING TO HAVE A REAL PLAN UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER. THERE'S SO MUCH WHEN THIS ISSUE
[00:32:02] POLLS SO WELL AND REGARDS TO 86%
[00:32:06] OF THE COUNTRY ARE AFRAID OF THE ISSUE.
[00:32:08] >> POLLS POORLY. >> BUT NO, BUT IT WILL FOR
[00:32:10] ESPECIALLY DEMOCRATS ON THINGS VERY CLEAR. >> PEOPLE ARE MAKING THEIR VOICES HEARD HERE.
[00:32:14] >> ABSOLUTELY. AND ALSO THEN JUST ADD THE DATA CENTERS AS PART OF THAT
[00:32:18] CONVERSATION. BUT SO YOU'VE A LOT OF FINGER POINTING.
[00:32:21] YOU HAVE A LOT OF 100 DEMOCRATS. I THINK THIS WEEK AT LEAST
[00:32:24] SIGNED A LETTER ASKING THE SPEAKER NOT TO ADJOURN UNTIL HE
[00:32:28] PASSED SOME SORT OF A AI FRAMEWORK.
[00:32:31] WAS IT A MISTAKE FOR JOHNSON TO SEND FOLKS HOME EARLY? THERE'S NO WAY THAT WOULD HAVE
[00:32:35] EVER HAPPENED. SO, NO, I THINK THAT HE SENT PEOPLE HOME BECAUSE HE DIDN'T
[00:32:39] WANT TO VOTE ON SOME OF THE VOTES THAT WERE GOING TO COME UP.
[00:32:42] BUT, I MEAN, WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE
[00:32:45] CALLING FOR REGULATION AND IS AI
[00:32:49] GOVERNMENT MOVES TOO SLOW? I MEAN, I THINK THAT STATE GOVERNMENTS WILL DEFINITELY
[00:32:52] START TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS. AND REMEMBER, IN THE SPRING WHEN
[00:32:55] THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T WANTED
[00:32:58] PREEMPTION OVER STATES OF ANY AI
[00:33:00] REGULATION, I THINK AFTER NOVA, I THINK THAT'S OUT THE WINDOW. SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF
[00:33:04] ACTIVITY AND WE'LL SEE IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN GET THEIR
[00:33:06] ACT IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.
[00:33:10] BUT I OF THESE TECH COMPANIES
[00:33:12] WANT
[00:33:16] ESPECIALLY IF DEMOCRATS ARE IN CONTROL, IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH DIFFERENT.
[00:33:18] AND THAT'S NOT EVEN A POLITICAL STATEMENT. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN
[00:33:22] REPUBLICANS PUTTING IN SOME SORT OF GUARDRAIL. >> YEAH, AND MO, YOU'VE GOT
[00:33:26] DEMOCRATS REALLY STARTING TO COME OUT FRONT ON THIS.
[00:33:29] PRESIDENT OBAMA CALLED FOR DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY LOOKING
[00:33:33] TOWARD 28 TO 20, FIND A LAME HERE.
[00:33:35] WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HOW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS COALESCING?
[00:33:39] WELL, I THINK I THINK DEMOCRATS
[00:33:41] UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT
[00:33:44] FREAKS THE PUBLIC OUT. >> AND SO THEY BETTER GET OUT AHEAD OF IT.
[00:33:47] AND WE SEE IT IN POLL AFTER POLL AFTER POLL.
[00:33:50] I CAN'T THINK OF AN ISSUE IN
[00:33:52] RECENT YEARS WHERE YOU SAW THAT
[00:33:56] RAPID MOVEMENT. AND BY PARTIZAN AND BIPARTISAN,
[00:33:58] I MEAN, YOU GUYS, I DO WANT TO REALLY QUICKLY PLAY THIS THIS
[00:34:02] SOME OF THE SOUND FOR YOU FROM AN EVENT THAT BROUGHT BERNIE
[00:34:06] SANDERS AND STEVE BANNON.
[00:34:08] >> BERNIE AND BANNON TOGETHER.
[00:34:11] TAKE A LISTEN.
[00:34:13] >> WHEN YOU ARE RACING TOWARDS A
[00:34:15] CLIFF, YOU YOU DON'T JUST EASE
[00:34:19] UP ON THE GAS PEDAL.
[00:34:22] >> YOU HIT THE BRAKES WHEN THE
[00:34:26] FUTURE OF HUMANITY IS AT STAKE,
[00:34:28] WE NEED BINDING INTERNATIONAL
[00:34:30] OIL SAFETY RULES, NOT VOLUNTARY STANDARDS FROM THE INDUSTRY.
[00:34:35] I THINK SENATOR SANDERS DID A VERY GOOD JOB, A SUMMARIZING THE
[00:34:40] RISK OBVIOUSLY HERE, AND HE AND I HAVE A QUITE DIFFERENT OPINION
[00:34:43] OF THE PRESIDENT'S. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO RAISE ABOVE
[00:34:46] PARTIZANSHIP THE COMMON SENSE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE
[00:34:50] ALWAYS MADE THE RIGHT DECISION
[00:34:52] THE REVOLUTION, THE CIVIL WAR, THE GREAT DEPRESSION, WORLD WAR TWO.
[00:34:56] THIS IS THE GREAT FOURTH TURNING.
[00:34:57] AND THIS IS THE ISSUE BEFORE US. AND THEY WANT YOU TO BE DUMB
[00:35:01] ABOUT IT. THEY WANT YOU TO BE AFRAID OF IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE AFRAID.
[00:35:05] WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS ON. >> WELL, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
[00:35:08] THESE STRANGE BEDFELLOWS. >> NO, IT MAKES SENSE.
[00:35:12] AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH WHAT BANNON SAID. THERE'S YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO
[00:35:15] THROUGH AN A PERIOD OF MASS ECONOMIC TRANSFORMATION, LIKE
[00:35:19] WHEN WE WENT FROM THE AGRARIAN TO THE INDUSTRIAL ERA. RIGHT.
[00:35:24] WE WE SEE. BUT ANY TIME WE GO THROUGH THAT,
[00:35:26] IT CREATES THESE THESE PARALLEL
[00:35:28] POPULIST MOVEMENTS.
[00:35:31] AND I IS CREATING THAT RIGHT NOW.
[00:35:33] POPULISM ON THE LEFT, POPULISM
[00:35:36] ON THE RIGHT, AND THE REASON YOU SEE SUCH I THINK, SOLID
[00:35:41] BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONGST THE VOTING PUBLIC IS BECAUSE THEY
[00:35:44] DON'T REALLY SEE THE UPSIDE OF
[00:35:46] AIR YET IN THEIR DAILY LIVES. MOST PEOPLE KIND OF USE IT AS
[00:35:50] JUST A GLORIFIED GOOGLE SEARCH ENGINE, BUT THEY ARE HEARING AND
[00:35:54] SEEING AND FEELING ALL OF THE DOWNSIDE. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE DOOMSDAY
[00:35:58] STUFF. IT'S ECONOMIC DISPLACEMENT.
[00:36:00] PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AI TAKING PEOPLE'S JOBS, IT'S PRIVACY
[00:36:04] ISSUES, IT'S HEALTH CARE, INSURANCE COMPANIES LETTING A.I.
[00:36:09] DECIDE YOUR CLAIM.
[00:36:11] IT'S COMPANIES LETTING A AI SCREEN YOUR RESUME.
[00:36:14] WE'RE TAKING HUMANS OF THE EQUATION, AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT.
[00:36:17] SO WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST ARGUMENTS FOR ACCELERATING AND
[00:36:20] FOR KEEPING PACE?
[00:36:22] >> IS CHINA AND BEATING CHINA
[00:36:26] THIS THIS, THIS NEW NEW SPACE RACE?
[00:36:28] I TALKED TO SENATOR TED CRUZ ABOUT THIS RECENTLY.
[00:36:31] TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE TOLD ME. I THINK NEEDS TO BE GOVERNMENT
[00:36:35] REGULATION THERE. >> THERE NEEDS TO BE GUARDRAILS
[00:36:37] THAT THAT PREVENT THOSE KIND OF
[00:36:39] RISKS OR GUARDRAILS. >> ENOUGH, THOUGH. I MEAN, THERE ARE THERE ARE
[00:36:43] THERE'S A BIPARTISAN COHORT OF VOICES RIGHT NOW.
[00:36:47] REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SAYING, WHOA, WE NEED TO PAUSE.
[00:36:50] >> SWEENEY TO REALLY SLOW THIS
[00:36:53] THING DOWN. >> HERE'S THE PROBLEM. >> WE CAN'T THAT IS AN
[00:36:56] IMPOSSIBLE ENDEAVOR BECAUSE. YOU KNOW WHO'S NOT PARSING CHINA?
[00:37:00] THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STOP. IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE U.S. IS
[00:37:04] GOING TO KILL US, IT SHOULD BE U.S., NOT CHINESE. >> LISTEN, I'VE ACTUALLY JOKED
[00:37:08] THAT THAT THAT IF AND THIS IS SOMEWHAT TONGUE IN CHEEK, BUT IT'S NOT ENTIRELY IF THEY'RE
[00:37:12] GOING TO BE KILLER ROBOTS, I'D RATHER THEY'D BE AMERICAN KILLER
[00:37:16] ROBOTS AND NOT CHINESE KILLER ROBOTS. >> AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS
[00:37:20] THE CHINESE ARE PUTTING NO GUARDRAILS. THEY'RE GOING FULL SPEED AHEAD.
[00:37:23] >> MOST TECH LEADERS ESTIMATE THE UNITED STATES IS ABOUT SIX MONTHS AHEAD.
[00:37:28] >> WE'RE NOT A YEAR AHEAD. WE'RE ABOUT SIX MONTHS AHEAD.
[00:37:31] >> WE COULD HAVE GOVERNMENT STEP
[00:37:34] IN AND JUST SHUT DOWN THE AI INDUSTRY IN AMERICA.
[00:37:36] >> YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? CHINA WOULD CATCH UP IN SIX
[00:37:39] MONTHS AND SAW AHEAD AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO
[00:37:43] DEFEND OURSELVES. >> ASHLEY, WHAT KIND OF KILLER
[00:37:45] ROBOTS ARE YOU AFRAID? >> YOU NEITHER. AND I HOPE WE DON'T GET TO THAT
[00:37:49] POINT. BUT I, I HIS POINT IS AND I DON'T EVEN THINK WE'RE SIX
[00:37:53] MONTHS AHEAD ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD ALL OF THESE
[00:37:56] PAUSES ON EVEN OUR DATA CENTER. SO THAT'S NOT EVEN JUST A.I.
[00:38:01] THAT'S ALSO ALL OF OUR PHONES THAT WE DON'T HAVE ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT ALL OF OUR PHONES.
[00:38:05] SO.
[00:38:05] BUT I JUST THERE HAS TO BE
[00:38:09] SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND I
[00:38:11] DON'T I'M NOT CONVINCED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN GIVE
[00:38:14] GUARDRAILS THAT ARE GOING TO BE QUICK ENOUGH AND SO THE
[00:38:18] COMPANIES DO NEED TO STEP UP. I MEAN, WHEN COME ON, WE'VE ALL
[00:38:20] BEEN IN THIS TOWN LONG ENOUGH. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL
[00:38:23] TAKE THEM TO PASS A REGULATION? >> YOU KNOW, THAT'S 100% RIGHT.
[00:38:26] I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN SOUNDING THE
[00:38:29] ALARM BELL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA FOR
[00:38:32] OVER A DECADE AND THEY CAN'T GET THERE THINKING AGAINST CHILDREN. RIGHT.
[00:38:36] SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S TOTALLY A FAIR POINT. THE PROBLEM IS IT HAS TO,
[00:38:40] BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN MORE THAN
[00:38:42] 100 STATE LAWS PASSED AROUND THE COUNTRY ON AI.
[00:38:46] AND SO WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THIS PATCHWORK.
[00:38:49] AND WHEN THE STATE LAWS AREN'T IN SYNC, LIKE THAT'S JUST NO WAY
[00:38:53] TO GOVERN THIS LIKE GLOBAL TECHNOLOGY. LG THAT LIVES IN THE CLOUDS.
[00:38:56] SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO STEP IN. I'M MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE
[00:39:01] BULLISH THAN SOME ON THE IDEA OF
[00:39:04] THAT INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION
[00:39:06] MIGHT ACTUALLY BE POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, CHINA FREAKED OUT
[00:39:10] RECENT LEE BECAUSE I WAS TRYING
[00:39:13] TO HACK INTO I THINK IT WAS WECHAT OR ONE OF THE STATES
[00:39:17] ACTUALLY. RIGHT. >> IS REGULATING AI IT'S NOT
[00:39:21] LETTING LETTING THEIR A.I. GO ROGUE. >> JOSH JOSH SHAPIRO ACTUALLY
[00:39:24] CAME OUT THIS KNOW GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA MOST LIKELY 2028
[00:39:27] CANDIDATE. HE CAME OUT WITH KIND OF HIS
[00:39:31] ROAD MAP GOING BACK TO THESE 2020 CANDIDATES.
[00:39:34] OH, YOU DID OKAY. THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I READ IT, YOU KNOW, BUT JOSH IS A FRIEND.
[00:39:38] I LIKE HIM A LOT, THE GOVERNOR.
[00:39:39] BUT HE TALKED ABOUT THE CHINA
[00:39:44] COORDINATION AS WELL. AND YOU SEE WHAT THE PRESIDENT
[00:39:47] OF CHINA COMING NEXT WEEK LIKE. THEY'RE NOW STARTING TO PUT
[00:39:51] TOGETHER SIDE MEETINGS AROUND WHY DO WE HAVE TO COORDINATE
[00:39:54] WITH CHINA ON THIS? PROBABLY. I THINK IT'S TOO BIG OF AN ISSUE.
[00:39:58] YEAH. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MIDTERMS, BECAUSE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY LOOMING OVER MIDTERM RACES.
[00:40:02] >> BUT THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL RIGHT NOW, IT'S HARD TO KEEP TRACK.
[00:40:06] THERE'S A NEW NEW YORK TIMES SIENA POLL OUT THIS WEEK THAT
[00:40:09] FOUND 51% OF VOTERS WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO VOTE FOR THE
[00:40:12] DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE COMPARED
[00:40:14] 43% FOR THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.
[00:40:17] ASHLEY, HOW TROUBLING ARE THESE NUMBERS? AND IS THERE A TIME FOR
[00:40:21] REPUBLICANS TO TURN THAT AROUND? >> WELL, 8% IS BETTER THAN LIKE
[00:40:24] 14, WHICH I HEARD LAST WEEK. SO, NO, IT'S BAD.
[00:40:27] WE HAVE A BAD SITUATION RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT
[00:40:32] HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE DIVIDED GOVERNMENT. I'M A BIG FAN OF DIVIDED
[00:40:34] GOVERNMENT, SO AND THE ONE PARTY
[00:40:38] OWNS EVERYTHING REPUBLICANS, EVERYTHING.
[00:40:40] AND SO MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME OUT THIS ELECTION BECAUSE
[00:40:44] THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.
[00:40:46] THAT IF WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE VOTING FOR THE CANDIDATE THEY WANT.
[00:40:50] AND SO THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY
[00:40:52] MIND SITTING RIGHT HERE, IT'S GOING TO I DON'T THINK WE LOSE
[00:40:55] THE HOUSE BY THESE 25 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER.
[00:40:58] BUT I DO THINK WE LOSE THE HOUSE TEN AND UNDER.
[00:41:01] WHAT ABOUT THE SENATE? I'M NOT THERE YET BECAUSE I AM
[00:41:04] STILL PRETTY BULLISH ON NEW HAMPSHIRE AND MICHIGAN.
[00:41:08] BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SITUATION WHERE
[00:41:10] NORTH CAROLINA'S NOW GOING TO BE
[00:41:13] BLUE, POTENTIALLY. AND THEN YOU HAVE DEMOCRAT
[00:41:18] STATES. LIKE MICHIGAN OR NEW HAMPSHIRE, THAT WILL BE RED AND THEN ALASKA MAY BE BLUE.
[00:41:21] AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE
[00:41:23] OTHER STATES, IOWA, KANSAS, NORTH TEXAS, IOWA.
[00:41:27] >> I'M NOT THERE YET. A LITTLE BIT. WE'LL GET THERE. BUT ARE DEMOCRATS FEELING A WAVE
[00:41:31] COMING ON WAVES A LITTLE STRONG?
[00:41:33] >> BUT I DO THINK THEY FEEL THE
[00:41:35] WIND AT OUR BACKS AND THAT WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION.
[00:41:38] I THINK MOST PEOPLE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE HOUSE I'M WITH YOU.
[00:41:42] I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A 4050 SEAT.
[00:41:44] >> REDISTRICTING HAS REALLY LIFTED THE NUMBERS.
[00:41:48] >> THE STATE CAN YEAH YEAH YEAH AND THE SENATE I I'M HEARING
[00:41:51] MORE PEOPLE FEELING BULLISH ABOUT THE SENATE THOUGH NOT
[00:41:55] OVERLY OPTIMIST RIGHT BUT I WILL
[00:41:57] SAY EVERY TIME THE PRESIDENT GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS PRETEND
[00:42:01] I'M ON THE BALLOT, ANOTHER DEMOCRAT WANTS TO CUT A CAMPAIGN
[00:42:05] AD FEATURING HIM SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, SO MANY
[00:42:09] PEOPLE I MEAN, THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO HAS HISTORIC LOW
[00:42:12] APPROVAL NUMBERS ON INFLATION.
[00:42:14] >> HIS APPROVAL RATING ON
[00:42:16] INFLATION IS LOWER THAN JIMMY CARTER'S WAS.
[00:42:20] SO LET LET HIM GO OUT THERE AND MAKE IT ABOUT HIMSELF.
[00:42:23] THAT ONLY HELPS DEMOCRATS IN A LOT OF THIS.
[00:42:26] THOSE STATES YOU JUST MENTIONED. BUT I ALSO, AS WE WERE TALKING
[00:42:29] BEFORE WE STARTED HERE, THE POLLING IS SO OFF ON TRUMP IN
[00:42:33] GENERAL AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN LIKE
[00:42:35] THE QUESTION, THE REASON HE'S
[00:42:38] WON IN THE PAST, AT LEAST WHEN HE'S ON THE BALLOT, IS BECAUSE
[00:42:42] ALL OF THESE VOTERS COME OUT THAT SUPPORT HIM, THAT DON'T POLL.
[00:42:44] >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL HELP OR NOT, BECAUSE I DON'T
[00:42:48] KNOW THAT'S REALLY GOING TO MATTER THIS TIME, BECAUSE HE'S NOT RIGHT.
[00:42:52] IN 2016, WE DIDN'T LOSE. WE GAINED IN THE SENATE AND LOST THE HOUSE. >> BUT THERE'S THERE'S ANOTHER
[00:42:57] PART OF THE SCENE, A NEW YORK TIMES SIENA POLL THAT FOUND THAT
[00:43:00] 49% OF LIKELY VOTERS ALSO PREFER A CANDIDATE THAT WANTS TO
[00:43:02] PROVIDE A CHECK ON TRUMP. AND IN THE WAKE OF THAT, WE'RE
[00:43:05] SEEING ADS LIKE THIS ONE. THAT'S THE PRESIDENT.
[00:43:09] >> SOME OF YOUR FAVORITE GRATION ENFORCEMENT HAVE GONE TOO FAR.
[00:43:12] IN JULY, 50% OF THE 50,000
[00:43:14] PEOPLE THAT WERE DETAINED HAD NO CRIMINAL RECORD.
[00:43:16] BE CAREFUL WHAT YOUR ADVISORS ARE TELLING YOU ABOUT IMMIGRATION POLICY BECAUSE SAME
[00:43:20] WHO HELP YOU GET TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2024.
[00:43:23] FEEL BE IT TODAY YOU CAN BE FOR IMMIGRATION. WHAT LINCOLN WAS FOR SLAVERY AND
[00:43:27] REAGAN WAS FOR COMMUNISM. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GIVING THEM AMNESTY.
[00:43:30] I'M TALKING ABOUT GIVING THEM A DIGNIFIED LIFE IN THIS PROMISED LAND.
[00:43:35] >> I AM MARIA ELVIRA SALAZAR AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE.
[00:43:37] >> THIS IS A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, A REPUBLICAN
[00:43:41] REPRESENTATIVE IN FLORIDA, IN A DISTRICT, ASHLEIGH, THAT THAT
[00:43:45] SHOULD BE SAFE. >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHAT SHE'S DOING HERE?
[00:43:48] SHE'S BEEN DOING THIS, I WOULD SAY, THE LAST YEAR, NOT THIS
[00:43:52] MUCH, BUT SHE I THINK I MEAN,
[00:43:54] LISTEN, HER CONSTITUENCY HAS SO
[00:43:56] MANY CUBANS CUBAN AMERICANS THAT
[00:43:59] THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY IS IMPACTFUL FOR THEM.
[00:44:02] >> AND SO IF WE'RE THEY DID GO TO TRUMP IN 24.
[00:44:06] YES. AND SO I THINK THIS IS I THINK
[00:44:10] SHE'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY HEARING EVERY DAY WHEN SHE COMES HOME THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT HER
[00:44:14] CONSTITUENTS ARE SCARED. THEY'RE SCARED ABOUT HAVING TO LEAVE.
[00:44:17] AND AND I THINK IT RESONATES WITH HER. AND SHE THIS IS WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN MORE.
[00:44:22] AND MORE AND MORE AFTER THE ELECTION, AS YOU SEE,
[00:44:24] REPUBLICANS NOT ABOUT ADS, BUT
[00:44:26] SPLITTING, BEING WILLING TO TALK AGAINST VICE PRESIDENT J.D.
[00:44:30] VANCE WENT ON A PODCAST THIS
[00:44:32] WEEK AND JUST JUST LISTEN TO IT AND WE'LL TALK ON THE OTHER
[00:44:36] SIDE. >> THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS. >> WE CUT TAXES BIGLY.
[00:44:40] >> WE CUT TAXES ON OVERTIME, SOCIAL SECURITY AND TIPS ARE TAX
[00:44:44] CUTS FOR MIDDLE AMERICAN
[00:44:46] WORKERS, NOT JUST FOR THE ELITES
[00:44:48] IN WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK CITY.
[00:44:50] >> WE'VE HAD AN AMAZING SUCCESS
[00:44:53] WITH THE BORDER WITH IMMIGRATION. >> WE'VE PURSUED H-1B REFORM
[00:44:56] THAT PRIORITIZES AMERICAN WORKERS OVER FOREIGN NATIONALS.
[00:44:59] >> THERE'S A OF GOOD THAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK LEFT TO DO.
[00:45:03] DON'T GIVE POWER TO THE PEOPLE WHO CAUSE THE PROBLEMS THAT
[00:45:07] WE'RE FIXING. GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE OR GIVE US ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS TO
[00:45:11] CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE AMAZING THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE PAST TWO YEARS.
[00:45:14] >> SOME SOME, OH, MY FEET HAS BEEN FULL OF DEMOCRATS PICKING UP ON THAT.
[00:45:18] >> GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE. PART OF THAT THAT INTERVIEW OR A
[00:45:23] COUPLE MORE YEARS OF WHAT ARE YOU GUYS MAKE OF WHAT THE VICE
[00:45:26] PRESIDENT'S DOING THERE?
[00:45:28] >> ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR IN HIS TICK LIST WAS COST OF
[00:45:32] LIVING. RIGHT. AND THAT'S STILL IS WHAT
[00:45:36] RESONATES THE MOST WITH VOTERS.
[00:45:38] PEOPLE WHO THINK THINGS ARE
[00:45:40] WORSE TODAY THAN THEY WERE TWO
[00:45:42] YEARS AGO, TELLING THEM, LOOK
[00:45:45] HOW AMAZING WE HAVE BEEN AND
[00:45:47] GIVE US DEMOCRATS HAVE MADE THAT MISTAKE. WE HAVE.
[00:45:50] AND THEY CLEARLY DIDN'T AND THEY CAPITALIZED ON IT TWO YEARS AGO
[00:45:53] AND THEY HAVEN'T LEARNED THE LESSON FROM IT.
[00:45:56] ACTUALLY GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE. >> GIVE US. YEAH. >> NO, THAT'S TOUGH. TOUGH.
[00:46:00] BUT I THINK I ACTUALLY THINK
[00:46:02] HOUSE AND SENATE MEMBERS DO UNDERSTAND.
[00:46:06] I THINK IT'S THE ADMINISTRATION THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY TALKING
[00:46:09] ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE AT ALL.
[00:46:11] AND IF YOU SEE SPEAKER JOHNSON, I MEAN, HE'S JUST BEGGING FOR US
[00:46:17] TO TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES. BUT ALSO THE THING THAT I THINK IS VERY INTERESTING I HEARD
[00:46:20] TODAY IS THAT JD IS GOING TO THE
[00:46:21] VICE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO IOWA
[00:46:25] AND ASHLEY HINSON IS IN CAMPAIGNING WITH THEM SO THAT
[00:46:29] THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING TO ANOTHER REPUBLICAN SENATE CANDIDATE THERE.
[00:46:33] AND SO THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO ME.
[00:46:35] >> THERE'S ALSO BEEN REPORTING THAT REPUBLICANS ARE GOING
[00:46:37] GROWING FRUSTRATED, TO YOUR POINT, WITH THE WHITE HOUSE'S ECONOMIC STRATEGY.
[00:46:41] THE HILL WRITES, REPUBLICANS ARE CLASHING OVER HOW TO IMPROVE THEIR WEAK POLLING NUMBERS ON
[00:46:45] THE ECONOMY. LISTEN TO MONTHS BEFORE ELECTION DAY.
[00:46:47] FEARING THAT VOTER ANGER OVER HIGH COSTS COULD SINK GOP
[00:46:51] CANDIDATES IN NOVEMBER, THE BOLDEST PROPOSAL THE PRESIDENT'S
[00:46:54] PLEDGE TO GIVE EVERY US $5,000 IF REPUBLICANS WIN THE MIDTERM
[00:46:59] ELECTION HAS DRAWN ALREADY STRONG PUSHBACK FROM REPUBLICANS
[00:47:01] ACROSS THE POLITICAL FIVE.
[00:47:05] KAINE CASH IS THAT GOING TO WIN REPUBLICANS IN MIDTERMS? ACTUALLY, NO.
[00:47:08] >> BUT I THINK THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS SINCE HE ANNOUNCED. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
[00:47:12] IT'S THAT NOT ALL OF US THAT ABOUT THIS EVERY DAY AND
[00:47:14] UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLEXITIES OF GETTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT
[00:47:18] PASSED THE EVERYDAY AMERICAN HEARD I MAY GET $5,000 AND
[00:47:22] THAT'S WHAT TRUMP WAS DOING. I MEAN WE KNOW HE'S THE
[00:47:24] BRILLIANT MESSENGER. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE MESSAGING OR NOT, DOESN'T MATTER.
[00:47:28] BUT HE KNOWS MY BROTHER SAID TO ME HE DOESN'T PAY ONE BIT OF
[00:47:32] ATTENTION TO POLITICS. I'LL GET FOUR. I'LL GO VOTE FOR THESE PEOPLE. AND HE'S A DEMOCRAT.
[00:47:36] >> NO, I I'M I'M HEARING THE
[00:47:39] OPPOSITE FROM VOTERS OUT THERE. WHEN I LOOK AT FOCUS GROUPS AND
[00:47:42] SEE THE RESEARCH, IT WE I'M
[00:47:45] SEEING PEOPLE SAY THIS IS A GIMMICK.
[00:47:49] THEY THEY DON'T MEAN IT AND BY THE WAY, THAT FIVE K I'VE
[00:47:52] ALREADY SPENT ON HIGHER GAS
[00:47:54] PRICES AND HIGHER GROCERY
[00:47:58] PRICES. SO UNLESS YOU END YOUR WAR IN
[00:48:00] IRAN AND UNLESS YOU END THIS
[00:48:04] FOLLY WITH TARIFFS AND THE TRADE WAR WITH CANADA IN ORDER TO
[00:48:07] BRING THE PRICES DOWN, THIS IS JUST A GIMMICK.
[00:48:09] AND I VOTERS ARE SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO SEE THAT.
[00:48:13] >> LET'S TALK ABOUT MAINE FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE THE INCUMBENT
[00:48:17] REPUBLICAN, SUSAN COLLINS, JUST PICKED UP A PRETTY NOTABLE
[00:48:19] ENDORSEMENT FROM WEST VIRGINIA
[00:48:21] SENATOR JOE MANCHIN, A DEMOCRAT TURNED INDEPENDENT. TAKE A LISTEN.
[00:48:25] >> SUSAN COLLINS OF THE SENATE.
[00:48:28] >> YOU'RE LOSING THE SOUL OF THE SENATE. >> BASICALLY A PERSON YOU CAN
[00:48:31] TALK TO WHO WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING ALL THE TIME. OKAY.
[00:48:34] NOW, EVERYBODY SAYS SHE DOESN'T DO THIS. >> SPEAK UP, SUSAN ANNE IS
[00:48:38] ALWAYS IN THERE, ALWAYS IN THE TRENCHES. AND WHEN YOU NEED SOMEONE TO
[00:48:41] WORK WITH, I CALL SUSAN. I CALLED LISA. I GOT MARK WARNER.
[00:48:43] I GOT DIFFERENT PEOPLE I CAN SIT DOWN WITH ALL THE TIME AND TALK TO YOU. AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE I
[00:48:48] ALWAYS DID. AND I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP.
[00:48:51] >> SO HOW MUCH IMPACT COULD THE FORMER SENATOR'S ENDORSEMENT
[00:48:54] HAVE HERE? MO, ARE YOU WORRIED? >> SLIM TO NONE. I THINK I'M WORRIED ABOUT MAINE,
[00:48:58] BUT NOT BECAUSE OF JOE MANCHIN. RIGHT. LIKE SUSAN COLLINS IS A TOUGH
[00:49:02] CANDIDATE AND DEMOCRATS DIDN'T DO THEMSELVES FAVOR WITH ALL OF
[00:49:06] THE MESSINESS WITH THE PRIMARY. HAVING SAID THAT, IT'S STILL A
[00:49:09] VERY COMPETITIVE RACE. THIS IS A CHANGE ELECTION.
[00:49:13] FIRST AND FOREMOST, TO HAVE JOE
[00:49:16] MANCHIN WEIGH IN.
[00:49:18] I'M NOT SURE READS THE ROOM RIGHT AND PEOPLE AREN'T
[00:49:22] LISTENING TO THE FORMER. YOU KNOW, SENATOR FROM WEST
[00:49:26] VIRGINIA. AND I HAVE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR HIM.
[00:49:28] BUT THEY NEED AND WANT SOMETHING
[00:49:31] FRESH AND DIFFERENT. THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO IS GOING
[00:49:34] TO STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP. WE SEE THIS IN POLL AFTER POLL
[00:49:37] IN STATE AFTER STATE. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THIS.
[00:49:41] SUSAN COLLINS MAY VERY WELL WIN THAT RACE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO
[00:49:45] BE BECAUSE OF MESSAGES LIKE THAT.
[00:49:49] >> ASHLEY. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT SUSAN
[00:49:51] COLLINS WILL OR NOT BASED ON SUSAN COLLINS.
[00:49:53] AND SHE TRIES VERY HARD, AS WE ALL KNOW, TO TAKE CARE OF HER.
[00:49:57] I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS I FEEL ABOUT CELEBRITIES.
[00:50:00] NO ONE'S GOING TO THE POLL AND
[00:50:01] VOTING BECAUSE KATY PERRY ENDORSED ME. RIGHT. RIGHT.
[00:50:05] I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T IT DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE. THEY WANT TO KNOW, HAS THIS
[00:50:08] PERSON TAKEN CARE OF ME OR AM I
[00:50:12] TIRED OF THE SAME OLD VOTER, WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? >> ALL RIGHT.
[00:50:14] LET'S GO SOUTH TO TEXAS WHERE
[00:50:18] THERE'S A PRETTY BIG MONEY FLIP HERE.
[00:50:21] THE NEW YORK TIMES WRITES A LOT OF OUTSIDE MONEY SUDDENLY ARRIVED OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS
[00:50:25] TO HELP MR. PAXTON. THIS GIVE MR. PAXTON AND REPUBLICAN ALLIES A 5 TO 1
[00:50:28] SPENDING ADVANTAGE OVER MR.
[00:50:30] TALARICO AND DEMOCRATIC ALLIES, ACCORDING TO AD IMPACT.
[00:50:33] FOR MONTHS, THE SIDE HAD POSSESSED A CLEAR SPENDING
[00:50:38] ADVANTAGE, TOO. TWO THINGS AT PLAY HERE.
[00:50:40] ONE, HOW BIG A DEAL IS THE MONEY
[00:50:43] IN HELPING PAXTON TO WHAT IS
[00:50:45] THIS BIG FLOOD OF MONEY SAY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN TEXAS?
[00:50:50] >> I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE $200 MILLION AT LEAST SPENT BY
[00:50:55] ELLEN ALONE. AND ISN'T THAT CRAZY? NO, IT BOTHERS ME. NOT ABOUT THIS RACE.
[00:50:59] I'M LIKE, WE COULD SOLVE SO MANY WORLD HUNGER PROBLEMS WITH THE
[00:51:02] AMOUNT OF MONEY.
[00:51:03] I MEAN, WHY WHY DO REPUBLICAN NEED TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TEXAS?
[00:51:07] WELL, BECAUSE WE HAVE A REALLY BAD CANDIDATE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD
[00:51:11] BE IN THE SAME SITUATION IF WE HAD CORNYN.
[00:51:14] SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE FACTS.
[00:51:17] BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S GOING THERE'S NOT.
[00:51:21] IT'S A MONEY GAME AT THIS POINT. AND REALLY, IT HAS TO BE A GET
[00:51:24] OUT THE VOTE ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH IS WHAT OBVIOUSLY ELLEN'S
[00:51:28] CONCENTRATING ON. BUT I DON'T THINK MONEY WE HAVE $1,000,000,000 TO SPEND ON THE
[00:51:33] REPUBLICAN BETWEEN ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT BETWEEN MAGA INC, THE
[00:51:37] RNC SELL OFF KNOW SENATE
[00:51:40] LEADERSHIP FUND AND ELLEN.
[00:51:42] >> WELL ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE FLOOD OF CASH? >> SURE.
[00:51:46] BUT ONE THING WE'VE SEEN IN
[00:51:49] RECENT CYCLES IS THAT MONEY IS
[00:51:51] NOT THE END ALL BE ALL THAT IT ONCE WAS. RIGHT.
[00:51:55] LIKE YOU WANT IT. YOU WANT TO HAVE IT.
[00:51:57] BUT WE'VE SEEN PLENTY OF CASES
[00:51:59] WHERE THE UNDERFUNDED CANDIDATE
[00:52:01] GOES ON TO WIN BECAUSE OF JUST THE THE ENVIRONMENT.
[00:52:07] LOOK, THESE ARE TWO VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
[00:52:11] PAXON IS HISTORIC. CARLY BAD, RIGHT? HE'S NOT JUST A BAD CANDIDATE.
[00:52:15] HIS HISTORICALLY BAD.
[00:52:17] AND THAT'S WHY DEMOCRATS ARE IN THIS RACE.
[00:52:20] AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT ONE, RIGHT? THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR
[00:52:26] GOVERNOR IS NECK AND NECK WITH THE INCUMBENT. YEAH. >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF
[00:52:29] THIS POLLING HERE. A TIGHT RACE IN THE SENATE RACE,
[00:52:33] BUT A RECOUNT IN TEXAS POLL OUT
[00:52:35] THURSDAY SHOWS TALARICO WITH A
[00:52:37] SIX POINT ADVANTAGE AND THEN
[00:52:39] THAT SAME POLL SHOWS DEMOCRATIC STATE REPRESENTATIVE JEAN JOSEPH
[00:52:43] LEADING REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT GOVERNOR GREG ABBOTT BY FOUR POINTS.
[00:52:48] I MEAN, WHO KNOWS.
[00:52:51] POLLING HAS BEEN QUESTIONABLE RIGHT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
[00:52:55] BUT JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE SEEING THESE NUMBERS, THE FACT
[00:52:58] THAT WE'RE TALKING A ARE BEING H
[00:53:01] SIDES IN TEXAS, OF ALL PLACES, TELLS THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THIS
[00:53:05] IS REAL. >> AND I THINK THAT'S TRUE. AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT
[00:53:09] THE MONEY GOING IN ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE IS GOING TO BE
[00:53:11] ABOUT TURNOUT, WHICH IS THERE AT LEAST THERE.
[00:53:15] BUT THE ONE THING I THINK HISTORY HAS SHOWN US OVER THE PAST DECADE IS THAT DONALD
[00:53:20] TRUMP'S POPULARITY IS NOT NECESSARY, EERILY TRANSFERABLE
[00:53:24] WHEN HE'S NOT ON THE BALLOT. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY DOWN
[00:53:28] BALLOT. HIS UNPOPULARITY ABSOLUTELY IS
[00:53:32] TRANSFERABLE. AND THAT HELPS TALARICO. AND IT HURT PAXTON REALLY
[00:53:35] QUICKLY BEFORE I LET YOU GUYS
[00:53:37] GO, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT 2028 A LITTLE BIT.
[00:53:40] >> AND GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM DID THIS INTERVIEW WHILE FLY WITH
[00:53:44] CNN'S JAKE TAPPER AND IN IT, HE MADE SOME NEWS BECAUSE HE SAID
[00:53:47] THAT HE WOULDN'T RUN IN 28 IF KAMALA HARRIS DECIDED TO RUN.
[00:53:51] MO, WHAT WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE
[00:53:55] FLY FISHING AND THE HARRIS OF IT ALL?
[00:53:57] >> I MEAN, ON THE HARRIS THING,
[00:53:59] HOW MANY TIMES WE HEARD CANDIDATES SAY, NO, I'M NOT RUNNING AND THEN THEY END UP
[00:54:03] RUNNING, RIGHT. WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE WHAT HE DOES. AND HE DOES.
[00:54:07] >> DO YOU THINK THAT WAS LIKE AN OPERA TO GAVIN? THE OPERATIVE MOVE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE?
[00:54:11] >> AND MAYBE HE MEANS IT NOW, BUT ONE THING ABOUT KAMALA
[00:54:13] HARRIS THAT SHE'S MADE VERY CLEAR IS THAT SHE'S IN NO RUSH
[00:54:17] AND SHE DOESN'T NEED TO BE BECAUSE SHE'S GOT AN
[00:54:21] ORGANIZATION, SHE'S GOT NAME I.D. EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING TO BE ITCHING TO GO.
[00:54:25] THERE MAY COME A TIME WHEN SHE HASN'T MADE UP HER MIND OR
[00:54:27] HASN'T ANNOUNCED A DECISION THAT HE'S GOT TO DECIDE. GO. NO, GO.
[00:54:31] AND HE DECIDES TO GO. WE'LL SEE. WHEN IT COMES TO RUNNING FOR
[00:54:35] PRESIDENT, YOU NEVER RULE OUT WHAT PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT DO.
[00:54:39] I THINK THE FLY FISHING WAS
[00:54:41] SMART, LIKE IT KEY VERSION OF GM
[00:54:45] THAN WE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ON MY FEET.
[00:54:48] >> THE TECHNIQUE, WHICH I'M NOT QUALIFIED I'M NOT QUALIFIED. >> NEITHER AM I.
[00:54:52] BUT LIKE, JUST IT WAS ONE OF THE
[00:54:55] MORE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, HUMAN
[00:54:57] THE KNOW. WELL, NOT EVEN JUST CALM
[00:55:01] CONVERSATIONS I'VE SEEN HIM ENGAGED IN AND HE COULD PROBABLY
[00:55:03] STAND TO HAVE SOME OF THAT AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF THE
[00:55:07] IN-YOUR-FACE GAVIN NEWSOM WE'RE USED TO SEEING ACTUALLY WHAT REPUBLICAN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
[00:55:10] >> HE'S THE TRUMP FIGHTER. WELL, I MEAN, WHAT ARE REPUBLICANS THINKING AS THEY
[00:55:14] WATCH GAVIN NEWSOM?
[00:55:16] >> KAMALA HARRIS? >> I THINK THE I DON'T THINK
[00:55:20] THOSE TWO ARE ON THE RADAR. SOME OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES.
[00:55:24] I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE ON THE RADAR, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD
[00:55:27] TO RUN FROM CALIFORNIA AND GAVIN NEWSOM, BEING A FORMER GOVERNOR
[00:55:31] LIKE I FROM A CAMPAIGN PERSPECTIVE, WOULD LOVE TO RUN
[00:55:34] AGAINST SOME OF HIS THINGS THAT HE DID IN CALIFORNIA.
[00:55:38] BUT I THINK THERE'S MANY OTHER CANDIDATES FOR ME AND I'LL SAY THIS AND NO ONE BELIEVES ME.
[00:55:41] MY SCARIEST CANDIDATE IS AOC
[00:55:43] BECAUSE SHE WILL BRING OUT PEOPLE LOW.
[00:55:47] >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> I'VE HEARD REPUBLICANS SAY
[00:55:51] THAT. I'VE HEARD REPUBLICANS SAY THERE'S NO ONE THEY'D RATHER RUN AGAIN. NO, I FEAR TWO.
[00:55:55] >> AND I'M RIGHT. SHE BRINGS EXCITEMENT. WE DON'T KNOW. >> WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO
[00:55:58] BE GOOD AND WHO'S NOT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY START SEEING THEM CAMPAIGN.
[00:56:01] REMEMBER, AT THIS POINT, FOUR YEARS AGO, RON DESANTIS WAS ON
[00:56:05] THE COVER OF EVERY MAGAZINE. I REMEMBER WHEN MARK WARNER WAS
[00:56:07] ON THE COVER OF EVERY MAGAZINE BACK IN 2006 UNTIL BARACK OBAMA
[00:56:10] GOT IN. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THESE REMEMBER HIM.
[00:56:14] >> NIKKI JUST CAN'T STEP. KEPT NICKING.
[00:56:29] AWAY AND EVERYBODY UNTIL SHE WAS. >> I STOP MAKING PREDICTIONS ON THIS STUFF. >> WELL, I CAN JUST SAY AS A POLITICAL REPORTER, I AM
[00:56:33] CHAMPING AT THE BIT HERE. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE OF REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST ASHLEY DAVIS AND DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST MO ELLEITHEE.
[00:56:37] THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> AND LET'S CLOSE THIS WEEK'S PROGRAM WITH OUR CEASE FIRE MOMENT OF THE WEEK, HIGHLIGHTING
[00:56:40] WHAT'S POSSIBLE WHEN POLITICIANS COME TOGETHER AS AMERICANS NOT JUST PARTIZANS. FORMER ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN
[00:56:43] CONGRESSMAN RAY LAHOOD AND CURRENT ILLINOIS DEMOCRATIC
[00:56:47] CONGRESSWOMAN NICKY --. SINCE SAT DOWN TO DISCUSS
[00:56:50] BIPARTISAN COOPERATION AND HELP BUILDING RELATIONSHIP ACROSS THE
[00:56:53] AISLE CAN HELP GET THINGS DONE. HERE'S SOME OF WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.
[00:56:57] THEY HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL IN WASHINGTON. I THINK ABOUT FINDING THE
[00:57:01] OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU CAN BREAK BREAD TOGETHER. >> BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, IN
[00:57:05] ADDITION TO WHAT THE SECRETARY MENTIONED, IS WE DON'T SPEND AS
[00:57:09] MUCH TIME IN WASHINGTON AS I WE
[00:57:10] ONCE DID, BUT IT IS STILL VERY MUCH IN MY BELIEF.
[00:57:14] IT IS A RELATION SHIP BUSINESS.
[00:57:16] AND I THINK BIPARTISANSHIP IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T JUST
[00:57:20] USE IT AS A SLOGAN. YOU HAVE TO REALLY BE INTENTIONAL AND WORK OUT.
[00:57:23] AND I TRY TO DO THAT. I TRY TO FIND THE PLACES WHERE
[00:57:26] WE CAN BREAK BREAD TOGETHER, STILL TOGETHER.
[00:57:29] >> CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING? >> WHEN I SERVED IN CONGRESS,
[00:57:32] RAHM WAS SERVING IN CONGRESS FROM CHICAGO.
[00:57:35] >> I'M FROM PEORIA, CENTRAL, ILLINOIS, AND HE AND I
[00:57:41] INTENTIONALLY PICKING UP ON WHAT
[00:57:42] NICKY SAID ONCE A QUARTER FOR
[00:57:45] TIMES A YEAR, HE WOULD INVITE SEVEN OR EIGHT DEMOCRATS.
[00:57:48] I WOULD INVITE SEVEN OR EIGHT REPUBLICANS. WE'D GO TO A RESTAURANT CALLED
[00:57:52] THE MONOCLE. ON THE SENATE SIDE ON CAPITOL
[00:57:54] HILL, AND WE'D HAVE DINNER.
[00:57:56] THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WERE BUILT
[00:57:59] AND CONTINUE EVEN BEYOND
[00:58:01] CONGRESS IN INTENTIONALLY TRYING
[00:58:03] TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO
[00:58:07] WE SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS.
[00:58:09] >> FOR BOTH LAHOOD AND WOODS SKI, THE MESSAGE WAS PRETTY SIMPLE.
[00:58:13] MY PARTIZANSHIP DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN.
[00:58:16] IT TAKES INTENTION AND EFFORT AND SOMETIMES IT STARTS WITH
[00:58:20] DINNER AT THE SAME TABLE. THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR THIS EPISODE.
[00:58:23] CEASE FIRE IS ALSO AVAILABLE AS A PODCAST FIND US IN ALL THE
[00:58:27] USUAL PLACES. I'M DASHA BURNS.
[00:58:29] AND REMEMBER WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREE.
[00:58:31] KEEP TALKING AND KEEP LISTENING.
[00:58:47] >> YOU'RE WATCHING C-SPAN.
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[00:59:11] AS LAWS ARE DEBATED AND DECIDED LIVE PROCEEDINGS FROM THE UNITED
[00:59:15] STATES SUPREME COURT. PRESIDENTIAL SPEECHES.
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[00:59:21] NO COMMENTARY, SPIN. NO AGENDA.
[00:59:25] JUST THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS PRESENTED IN FULL WITHOUT
[00:59:28] INTERRUPTION. SO YOU CAN WATCH THE DEBATES,
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[00:59:54] >> THIS AFTERNOON, NEBRASKA REPUBLICAN SENATOR PETE RICKETTS
[00:59:57] ATTENDS HIS STATE'S ANNUAL STEAK FRY TO FUNDRAISE FOR HIS MIDTERM
[01:00:01] REELECTION CAMPAIGN. THIS YEAR'S EVENT FEATURES REPUBLICAN SENATOR JOHN KENNEDY
[01:00:05] FROM LOUISIANA, FROM WEEPING WATER, NEBRASKA.
[01:00:08] WATCH IT LIVE AT 1 P.M. EASTERN ON C-SPAN ONLINE AT C-SPAN,
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[01:00:20] TONIGHT ON C-SPAN Q&A. NBC NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON AND
[01:00:23] FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT ANDREA MITCHELL TALKS WITH OUR
[01:00:27] HOST PETER CELENTE ABOUT SOME OF THE BIGGEST WORRIES AND MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE.
[01:00:31] SHE'S COVERED DURING HER NEARLY 50 YEARS WITH A NETWORK.
[01:00:34] >> I CALLED THE CONTROL ROOM TO TALK TO TOM BROKAW, WAS STANDING
[01:00:37] BY, READY TO GO LIVE, AND HE SAID, WHO'S YOUR SOURCE?
[01:00:43] AND I TOLD HIM, BECAUSE WE HAD A
[01:00:46] TWO SOURCE RULE FOR SURE. AND THIS WAS A SINGLE SOURCE.
[01:00:50] BUT THAT WAS SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY WAS IN THE DECISION.
[01:00:55] AND TOM SAID, SUIT UP, KI