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[00:00:00] PRIMARIES, COVERS THE ROLE OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS IN THIS
[00:00:03] YEAR'S MIDTERM ELECTIONS. THEN, NEWSWEEK WHITE HOUSE
[00:00:07] REPORTER FELDMAN PREVIEWS THE WEEK AHEAD AT THE WHITE HOUSE
[00:00:11] AND BARROW, EDITOR OF THE NATIONAL JOURNAL'S POLITICAL
[00:00:14] NEWSLETTER, THE HOTLINE DISCUSSES KEY MIDTERM ELECTION RACES TO WATCH AND OTHER
[00:00:19] CAMPAIGN OF THE DAY.
[00:00:19] WASHINGTON JOURNALIST NOW.
[00:00:28] TODAY IS
[00:00:35] HOST: MONDAY, OCTOBER 12. WELCOME TO "WASHINGTON JOURNAL."
[00:00:37] JUST OVER THREE WEEKS TO MIDTERM
[00:00:40] ELECTIONS, AND CAMPAIGNS ARE IN
[00:00:42] THEIR FINAL SPRINT TO THE FINISH LINE.
[00:00:45] SENATE CANDIDATES IN SOUTH CAROLINA, REPUBLICAN DARLINE
[00:00:48] GRAHAM AND DEMOCRAT ANNIE ANDREWS, FACED OFF IN THEIR OWN
[00:00:52] DEBATE, SPARRING OVER ISSUES LIKE THE IRAN WAR AND IMMIGRATION.
[00:00:55] MORE DEBATES, INCLUDING IN MAINE, ARE EXPECTED LATER THIS WEEK.
[00:00:59] THAT IS WHERE WE BEGAN. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
[00:01:03] WHICH PARTY DO YOU WANT TO CONTROL CONGRESS?
[00:01:06] HERE IS HOW YOU JOIN IN ON THE
[00:01:11] CONVERSATION. REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001.
[00:01:15] DEMOCRATS, (202) 748-8000.
[00:01:17] INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
[00:01:20] YOU CAN TEXT AT (202) 748-8003.
[00:01:27] PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.
[00:01:30] YOU CAN CATCH US ON SOCIAL
[00:01:33] MEDIA, FACEBOOK.COM/C-SPAN AND
[00:01:35] ON X AND INSTAGRAM AT @CSPANWJ.
[00:01:45] THERE ARE JUST 22 DAYS UNTIL
[00:01:48] NOVEMBER 3, THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
[00:01:52] LAST NIGHT IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THE REPUBLICAN, DARLINE GRAHAM,
[00:01:55] THE SISTER OF THE LATE SENATOR
[00:01:59] LINDSEY GRAHAM, AND HER RIVAL, DR. ANNIE ANDREWS, FACED OFF IN
[00:02:03] A DEBATE WHERE THEY BOTH LANDED SOME BLOWS.
[00:02:06] [VIDEO CLIP] TAKE A LISTEN. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:02:10] >> AND I AM DEEPLY SORRY FOR WHAT THE GRAHAM FAMILY HAVE BEEN
[00:02:14] THROUGH FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A NICE GESTURE
[00:02:17] WHEN THE PRESIDENT APPOINTED DARLINE GRAHAM TO FULFILL HER BROTHER'S TERM, BUT NOW WE ARE
[00:02:21] TALKING ABOUT A FULL TERM IN THE SENATE. IT IS NOTHING PERSONAL, BUT SHE
[00:02:25] HAS SHOWN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT SHE IS NOT UP FOR THE JOB.
[00:02:29] WHETHER IT IS ABOUT AI WHICH COULD CAUSE MASSIVE JOB LOSSES
[00:02:32] ARE LOST TO HUMANITY OR A POTENTIAL CONFRONTATION WITH
[00:02:36] CHINA OVER THE TIMELINE JUST TAIWAN STRAIT OR RISING COSTS,
[00:02:40] WE NEED SOMEONE IN THE SENATE WILLING TO WAKE UP EVERY DAY, ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES, GO TO
[00:02:45] WORK, REACH ACROSS THE AISLE, AND SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS.
[00:02:48] WE NEED SOMEONE WHO IS READY FOR THE JOB ON DAY ONE.
[00:02:50] I WILL BE READY FOR THE JOB ON DAY ONE.
[00:02:54] SENATOR GRAHAM HAS PROVEN OTHERWISE.
[00:02:58] >> I WOULD LIKE TO REBUT, PLEASE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY
[00:03:02] THAT WORKS HARDER THAN I DO. I HAVE PROVEN THAT OVER THE PAST
[00:03:05] FEW MONTHS, LOSING MY BROTHER,
[00:03:07] RUNNING A PRIMARY, A RUNOFF, AND CAMPAIGNING FOR A GENERAL
[00:03:12] ELECTION WHILE DOING THE JOB AS A UNITED STATES SENATOR.
[00:03:15] THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD AND MUCH PRAYER, I HAVE FOUND OUT
[00:03:19] JUST HOW STRONG I AM. SO IF ANYBODY IS GOING TO ROLL
[00:03:22] UP SLEEVES AND WORK HARD FOR
[00:03:24] THIS STATE, THIS GREAT STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA THAT I LOVE, IT
[00:03:28] DEFINITELY WILL BE ME. I AM JUST AS QUALIFIED AS YOU ARE.
[00:03:33] YOU ARE A PEDIATRICIAN WHO
[00:03:38] CANNOT DEFINE A WOMAN. HOST: THAT WAS ONE CLIP FROM THAT FIERY DEBATE IN SOUTH CAROLINA LAST NIGHT.
[00:03:42] OBVIOUSLY, THAT STATE REPRESENTS
[00:03:44] ONE STATE THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE SOME CONCERN OVER.
[00:03:48] LOOKING AT AN AXIOS ARTICLE FROM EARLIER THIS WEEK, HEADLINE,
[00:03:52] SCOOP, SENATE SHALL BE TO SEND
[00:03:55] $5 BILLION TO SHORE UP GRAHAM IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
[00:03:57] IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE GOP
[00:04:00] IS CONCERNED THAT HIS SENATE SEAT IN SOUTH CAROLINA COULD BE
[00:04:03] IN PLAY AND SHOWS HOW BY THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT IS FOR
[00:04:07] REPUBLICANS WHO FACE A RASH OF PROBLEMS IN STATES LONG
[00:04:11] CONSIDERED CONSERVATIVE STRONGHOLDS.
[00:04:12] IT IS AN INSURANCE POLICY, WE
[00:04:15] WILL BE THERE FOR DARLINE.
[00:04:20] THE SHIFT IN SPENDING COMES AFTER SENATE REPUBLICANS
[00:04:23] ANNOUNCED THEY WERE NO LONGER FINANCING ADS IN SWING STATE
[00:04:26] NORTH CAROLINA, WHERE THE GOP'S
[00:04:29] MICHAEL WHATLEY IS LAGGING BEHIND FORMER GOVERNOR ROY
[00:04:32] COOPER IN POLLS, DEMOCRAT.
[00:04:37] THERE IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF
[00:04:40] THE MAP PERHAPS SPREADING OUT BEYOND WHAT DEMOCRATS FIRST
[00:04:44] BELIEVED IT WOULD BE A FEW MONTHS AGO. LET'S TURN TO YOUR PHONE CALLS.
[00:04:48] THE QUESTION IS, WHO DO YOU WANT
[00:04:50] TO CONTROL CONGRESS, WHICH PARTY?
[00:04:52] JEFFREY FROM NORTH CAROLINA, INDEPENDENT.
[00:04:56] GOOD MORNING. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[00:05:01] WITH THE SITUATION THAT IS
[00:05:04] OBVIOUSLY BROKEN, NOT IN THE
[00:05:09] GOVERNMENT BRANCHES DIRECTION OR HOW THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE
[00:05:13] OPERATING, I BELIEVE THE DEMOCRATS THIS TIME HAVE A
[00:05:16] STRONG POSITION DUE TO EVERY
[00:05:20] PART OF A PRESIDENTIAL POSITION
[00:05:25] OF POWER -- OF HOW THE BRANCHES
[00:05:29] SHOULD BE OPERATING OR VOTING INTO FROM POSITIONS, ESPECIALLY
[00:05:33] WITH THE WAR THAT IS GOING ON IN
[00:05:37] THE SITUATION THAT REALLY HAS
[00:05:40] BEEN ABSENT WITH CONGRESS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.
[00:05:44] THEY TAKE NO ACCOUNTABILITY RIGHT NOW ON WHERE THIS POSITION
[00:05:49] IS AND HOW IT IS OBVIOUS PEOPLE
[00:05:54] ARE DESPERATELY IN SOME TYPE OF
[00:05:57] FINANCIAL STRAIN OVER OIL
[00:05:59] PRICES, GAS PRICES, FOOD PRICES.
[00:06:03] AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT, MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THIS NATION,
[00:06:06] WILL NOT ADDRESS AND ASK LIKE NONE OF THIS SITUATION IS AN
[00:06:10] ISSUE OR IT MATTERS.
[00:06:12] THEN PEOPLE WHO WANT YOUR VOTE
[00:06:15] TO BE IN A POSITION TO CORRECT
[00:06:18] MATTERS ARE JUST REALLY NOT
[00:06:21] TELLING THE TRUTH. YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR WORDS.
[00:06:25] THEIR WORDS MATTER, ESPECIALLY DONALD TRUMP SAYING EVERYBODY
[00:06:29] WILL GET $5,000 IF THE
[00:06:31] REPUBLICANS WIN.
[00:06:34] SO, IF THAT IS TRUE, THE TRUTH THAT COMES FROM THIS PRESIDENT,
[00:06:37] THEN HE KNOWS MULTIPLE MILLIONS
[00:06:41] OF PEOPLE IS NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM.
[00:06:44] HOST: JEFFREY, LET ME ASK YOU,
[00:06:47] BECAUSE YOU ARE IN NORTH CAROLINA AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW
[00:06:50] THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ANNOUNCED
[00:06:52] THEY WOULD STOP SPENDING ADS ON MICHAEL WHATLEY, SENATE CANDIDATE FOR THE REPUBLICAN
[00:06:56] PARTY STATE RUNNING AGAINST THE DEMOCRAT.
[00:07:00] YOU ARE INDEPENDENT. DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU PLAN TO VOTE?
[00:07:05] CALLER: YES, I AM DEFINITELY
[00:07:06] GOING TO VOTE DEMOCRAT.
[00:07:11] IT MAKES SENSE.
[00:07:15] IT ABSOLUTELY LINES UP WITH WHAT NORTH CAROLINIANS ARE DEALING WITH.
[00:07:19] THE REPUBLICAN SIDE IS ACTUALLY
[00:07:23] JUST REALLY MAKING EXCUSES ON SITUATIONS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE
[00:07:28] IN DUE TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
[00:07:29] AND CONGRESS HAS BEEN ABSENT.
[00:07:32] HOST: DO YOU TEND, AS AN
[00:07:34] INDEPENDENT, DO YOU TEND TO VOTE
[00:07:37] DEMOCRATIC OR DO YOU SWITCH PARTIES?
[00:07:40] CALLER: YES, I AM GOING TO SWITCH PARTIES AND VOTE
[00:07:43] DEMOCRATIC. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU LISTEN TO A
[00:07:47] LOT OF THEIR MESSAGES, IT IS REALLY STAYING WITH THE
[00:07:50] NARRATIVE ON THE GAS PRICES,
[00:07:52] FOOD PRICES, THE WAR, NOT ENDING THE WAR.
[00:07:56] THE THINGS THAT THIS
[00:07:57] ADMINISTRATION HAS TURNED OUR
[00:08:00] ALLIES AGAINST US IN CERTAIN WAYS WITH UKRAINE AND RUSSIA,
[00:08:03] BOWING DOWN TO ANYTHING PUTIN IS
[00:08:07] GOING TO DO. IT IS VERY DISTURBING THAT THERE
[00:08:10] IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR DONALD TRUMP AND THIS ADMINISTRATION.
[00:08:14] HOST: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS YOUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE, AND THEN I WILL LET YOU GO -- WHAT WOULD
[00:08:18] YOU SAY IS YOUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE OF CONCERN?
[00:08:22] CALLER: THAT IF THERE IS FAITH,
[00:08:28] AND I BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS, PLEASE LET THE DEMOCRATIC
[00:08:32] TAKEOVER SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY VOTE IN THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE
[00:08:36] WAY FOR PASSING BILLS AND
[00:08:40] STOPPING THIS ADMINISTRATION FROM DESTROYING AND CORRUPTING MORE OF WHAT IS GOING ON.
[00:08:45] THERE IS NO WAY THIS ADMINISTRATION MAY 2 BILLION
[00:08:49] DOLLARS IN TWO YEARS. HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[00:08:52] ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WE HAVE A MESSAGE SAYING, I WANT THE
[00:08:56] DEMOCRATS TO CONTROL BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS STARTING IN JANUARY.
[00:09:00] THEY WILL THEN HAVE THE DECISION OF WHETHER TO GOVERN OR TO SPEND
[00:09:04] ALL THE TIME CASTIGATING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
[00:09:06] IN EITHER CASE, THEY WON'T HAVE A VETOPROOF MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.
[00:09:09] WHAT DEMOCRATS DOING THIS TWO YEARS WILL INFORM AND PREPARE
[00:09:14] AMERICANS FOR THE 2028 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
[00:09:18] THAT IS FROM PENNSYLVANIA. AND ANOTHER HOTLY CONTESTED ELECTION IN THE COUNTRY, IT IS IOWA.
[00:09:22] LET'S LISTEN TO FOX NEWS SUNDAY,
[00:09:27] BOTH THE REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE AND DEMOCRATIC GUBERNATORIAL
[00:09:30] CANDIDATE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD DO IF THEY WON THEIR ELECTION. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:09:36] >> WHY SHOULD IOWA VOTERS THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE BIPARTISAN, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
[00:09:40] BE A CENTRIST, WHEN SOME OF THE OTHERS HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT TO
[00:09:44] BE TRUE ONCE SWORN IN?
[00:09:46] >> YEAH, I WAS VERY ENTERTAINED
[00:09:49] BY THE VICE PRESIDENT'S REMARKS. HE ASKED PEOPLE TO LOOK AT MY VOTING RECORD.
[00:09:52] I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE LEGISLATURE.
[00:09:55] SO A LOT OF WHAT HE SAID IS NONSENSE.
[00:09:59] WHAT HE CLAIMS THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THAT, I SPENT SEVEN YEARS AS THE CHIEF PUBLIC
[00:10:03] CORRUPTION PROSECUTOR IN IOAN'S COURTROOMS.
[00:10:06] I WAS LOCKING UP MURDERERS,
[00:10:09] RAPIST, AND THIEVES, PROSECUTING
[00:10:11] DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, AND
[00:10:14] SAME IN TWO TERMS AS STATE AUDITOR. THAT IS ABOUT ME.
[00:10:18] POLITICIANS LIKE HIM WANT PEOPLE TO FORGET THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM
[00:10:21] OF CHECKS AND BALANCES. WE HAVE GOT A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE IN IOWA.
[00:10:25] WE ARE GOING TO STILL HAVE A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE IF I WIN THIS RACE.
[00:10:29] THAT MEANS WE WILL HAVE DIVIDED CONTROL, WHICH MEANS EVERY SINGLE BUDGET AND BILL THAT GETS
[00:10:33] PASSED WILL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE IN BOTH PARTIES CAN
[00:10:37] APPRECIATE. THAT MIGHT DISAPPOINT THE 20% OF
[00:10:40] PEOPLE ON ONE SIDE OF THE 20% OF PEOPLE ON THE OTHERS OF THE
[00:10:43] SPECTRUM, THE FAR RIGHT AND FAR LEFT, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF
[00:10:46] US WILL SAY IT IS NOT SO BAD. HOST: THAT WAS THE DEMOCRATIC
[00:10:51] CANDIDATE WHEN ASKED ON FOX NEWS
[00:10:54] WHAT THEIR APPROACH TO POLITICS IS. LET'S LISTEN TO THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.
[00:10:59] [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:11:02] >> YOU BEAT OUT A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN, SOMEONE WITH THE PRESIDENT'S BACKING.
[00:11:05] THE PRESIDENT HAS SINCE CALLED YOUR PATRIOT, BUT SOME ON THE
[00:11:09] GROUND IN IOWA WORRY ABOUT WHETHER YOU WILL BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO HIM WHEN HE COMES TO
[00:11:13] THE INTERESTS OF IOWA. THE FOOD AND ENVIRONMENTAL
[00:11:17] REPORTING NETWORK SAID TRUMP HAS NOT BEEN A RELIABLE FRIEND TO IOWA FARMERS WHO HAVE BEEN
[00:11:21] CRUSHED BY TARIFFS AND GUIDED BY
[00:11:24] FERTILIZER COSTS, CUTS TO USDA FOR SERVICES AND REGENERATIVE
[00:11:27] FARMING INITIATIVES WERE BRUTAL. BUT WE NEED A GOVERNOR WHO WILL
[00:11:29] STAND UP FOR IOWA WHEN OUR INTERESTS ARE BEING IGNORED,
[00:11:34] SAID ONE SOYBEAN FARMER.
[00:11:39] HOW WILL YOU MANAGE THAT RELATIONSHIP? PRESIDENT TRUMP VERSUS THE PEOPLE OF IOWA, WHEN YOU THINK THEY ARE IN CONFLICT?
[00:11:43] >> FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MY CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ABOUT HOW TO
[00:11:46] PUT FARMERS FIRST. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN
[00:11:49] AGRICULTURE FOR 130 YEARS IN THIS STATE. I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE SAME
[00:11:53] THINGS COME ABOUT BIG CORPORATIONS CONSOLIDATING
[00:11:56] POWER, TAKING CHOICE AND COMPETITION AWAY FROM FARMERS, CREATING MONOPOLIES IN THE
[00:12:00] MARKET. I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THINGS EVEN
[00:12:04] SOMETIMES THE PRESIDENT DISAGREES WITH, LIKE IMPORTING MORE BEEF.
[00:12:08] I WANT TO GROW OUR HERD HERE. I MAINTAIN AN INDEPENDENT MESSAGE ON THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT
[00:12:12] A POLITICIAN AND NEVER RAN FOR OFFICE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME DOING THIS.
[00:12:15] I GOT IN BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES, BECAUSE WHAT IS
[00:12:18] HAPPENING ON THE GROUND WITH OUR AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY AND BEING
[00:12:21] ABLE TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT VOICE. THE WAY YOU DO THAT AS YOU GET
[00:12:24] WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE DONE THROUGH TOWN HALL AFTER TOWN
[00:12:28] HALL, MEETING WITH PEOPLE, AND UNDERSTANDING THEIR ISSUES.
[00:12:32] WASHINGTON, D.C., WILL HAVE THEIR ISSUES. I AM HERE TO PUT IOWA FIRST.
[00:12:36] THAT IS WHAT HOW YOU HAVE DONE
[00:12:38] SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS CAMPAIGN.
[00:12:44] HOST: THAT IS THE IOWA REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE. BACK TO YOUR PHONE CALLS. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT PARTY DO
[00:12:47] YOU WANT TO CONTROL CONGRESS?
[00:12:51] ROSEMARY FROM DELAWARE, REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING.
[00:12:55] CALLER: GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME ON
[00:12:59] THIS MORNING. I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS --
[00:13:02] IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHICH
[00:13:06] PARTY YOU WANT IN POWER.
[00:13:09] THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PARTY
[00:13:11] ANYMORE, EITHER DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.
[00:13:14] THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING OUR
[00:13:18] PATRIOTS IN REGARDS TO THIS COUNTRY.
[00:13:22] I LIKE TO GO BY TRACK RECORD.
[00:13:24] WHAT DID THE PERSON DO WHEN THEY WERE IN OFFICE, AND DID THEY
[00:13:27] PROMISE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BASICALLY DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO?
[00:13:32] WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, I AM SORRY, THE
[00:13:35] DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS DEAD. THEY ALREADY BASICALLY HAVE
[00:13:39] GIVEN UP AND BASICALLY GIVEN UP
[00:13:41] TO THE FASCIST COMMUNISTS THAT
[00:13:47] ARE NOW TRYING TO INFILTRATE
[00:13:51] THEM. LIKE CHUCK SCHUMER, A DISGRACE TO THE JOB.
[00:13:54] THEY WILL SAY ANYTHING TO TRY TO GET BACK IN POWER.
[00:14:00] THESE PEOPLE WANT TO GET RID OF OUR GOVERNMENT.
[00:14:02] THEY DO NOT WANT A PRESIDENCY. THEY DO NOT WANT A SENATE, DO
[00:14:06] NOT WANT THE HOUSE. HOST: ARE YOU TALKING
[00:14:10] SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE AGENDA OF THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS?
[00:14:15] CALLER: THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS -- YOU KNOW, I FEEL
[00:14:18] SORRY FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY. THEY HAVE BEEN SCREWED IN
[00:14:22] SCHOOL. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TAUGHT THE PROPER HISTORY OF THE UNITED
[00:14:25] STATES OF AMERICA. WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TAUGHT IS
[00:14:28] BASICALLY AN IDEOLOGY THAT HAS
[00:14:31] PUT UP -- THAT HAS BEEN PUT OUT THERE BY THE PEOPLE RUNNING OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
[00:14:36] SO THEY ARE MAKING DECISIONS ON THINGS THAT THEY REALLY KNOW
[00:14:39] NOTHING ABOUT. IF THEY TRULY UNDERSTOOD THE
[00:14:43] TRUE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THEY WOULD COME UP TO A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION.
[00:14:46] SO I HAVE TO FEEL SORRY FOR THEM.
[00:14:48] THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS.
[00:14:52] HOST: I WILL DIRECT YOU BACK TO THE QUESTION OF THE MORNING.
[00:14:55] WE DO LIVE IN A TWO-PARTY
[00:15:01] SYSTEM. CALLER: CAPITALISM VERSUS SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM. THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT IS BEING
[00:15:04] RUN IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.
[00:15:07] I WANT MY CHILDREN TO BE FREE.
[00:15:11] IF I HAVE TO SETTLE FOR THE
[00:15:12] LESSER OF TWO EVILS, EVEN THOUGH
[00:15:15] THINGS MAY NOT LOOK GOOD IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, YOU HAVE TO
[00:15:19] VOTE REPUBLICAN, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
[00:15:21] BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS, THEY HAVE NO PLAN.
[00:15:24] THEY CAN TELL YOU EVERYTHING GOING WRONG WITH THE COUNTRY, BUT THEY CAN'T TELL YOU
[00:15:28] BASICALLY WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO TO FIX IT. BUT THEY WILL TELL YOU WHO TO
[00:15:32] BLAME, AND THEY WILL BLAME THE
[00:15:33] PEOPLE THAT ARE THE RICH PEOPLE.
[00:15:36] HOST: BEFORE WE GO TO ANOTHER
[00:15:40] CALL, YOU SAID THINGS ARE NOT LOOKING THAT GREAT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
[00:15:46] YOU SAID THAT THINGS ARE NOT LOOKING THAT GREAT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
[00:15:49] YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
[00:15:52] CALLER: WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT?
[00:15:55] WELL, I AM TECHNICALLY A REPUBLICAN PATRIOT.
[00:15:57] I BELIEVE IN THE PRINCIPLES OF THE CONSTITUTION.
[00:16:00] I WANT TO SEE PEOPLE BASICALLY
[00:16:03] USE THE CONSTITUTION AS THE
[00:16:05] BASIS FOR MAKING THEIR DECISIONS . I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN
[00:16:09] CONGRESS RIGHT NOW ARE NOT DOING THAT.
[00:16:11] THEY ARE BEING RUN BY PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES, RUN BY LOBBYISTS.
[00:16:18] THEY ARE NOT REALLY WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE, IN GENERAL.
[00:16:21] WE ARE VOTING FOR FREEDOM.
[00:16:24] THAT IS WHAT WE ARE VOTING FOR IN THIS COUNTRY.
[00:16:27] WE GOT TO SETTLE FOR THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
[00:16:33] I WAS STRICTLY INDEPENDENT BEFORE, NOW I HAVE TO BE A REPUBLICAN.
[00:16:37] HERE IS WHY I FEEL SORRY FOR
[00:16:39] PRESIDENT TRUMP.
[00:16:42] PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TO UNWIND EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE BY THE
[00:16:45] DEMOCRATIC PARTY THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
[00:16:50] OPEN BORDERS, LEEDY -- LEAVING
[00:16:52] $85 BILLION OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT BASICALLY IN AFGHANISTAN.
[00:16:56] HE HAS GOT TO REPLENISH EVERYTHING AND DO EVERYTHING,
[00:16:59] CHANGE EVERYTHING, AND IT WAS
[00:17:03] NOT DONE BY HIS ADMINISTRATION. HOST: ALL RIGHT. WE TAKE YOUR POINT.
[00:17:07] THAT WAS ROSEMARY FROM DELAWARE, REPUBLICAN.
[00:17:10] KEVIN FROM WINDSOR, CONNECTICUT, INDEPENDENT.
[00:17:14] WHAT PARTY DO YOU WANT TO CONTROL CONGRESS? CALLER: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE
[00:17:19] DEMOCRATS. THAT LADY WAS WRONG.
[00:17:22] WITH THE CORRUPTION WITH THE
[00:17:24] CAPITALISM CORRUPTION GOING ON,
[00:17:28] PARDONS FOR FELONS, AND THERE IS
[00:17:32] NO SLUSH FUND FOR THE FARMERS.
[00:17:36] BUT THE REPUBLICANS GREENLIGHT
[00:17:40] EVERYTHING. THIS WORK, EVERYTHING. THERE ARE NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
[00:17:46] HEGSETH, THIS GUY HAS TO GO. HE DOES NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT A HERO IS.
[00:17:52] IN TEXAS, THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO
[00:17:58] ENLISTED IN WORLD WAR II,
[00:18:01] 250,000 CHILDREN ENLISTED, AND
[00:18:04] THESE KIDS ARE WAR HEROES. PETE HEGSETH DOES NOT EVEN KNOW
[00:18:07] WHAT A WAR HERO LOOKS LIKE.
[00:18:11] IF HE STOPS HIDING WITH TRUMP IN
[00:18:12] THE TRUCK.
[00:18:15] BUT WE HAVE NO ALLIES.
[00:18:20] NATO -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO ALLIES ANYMORE.
[00:18:24] IT IS CORRUPTION DOWN THERE IN WASHINGTON.
[00:18:27] WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THIS WAR.
[00:18:29] SAUDI ARABIA, ISRAEL, THEY NEED
[00:18:33] TO START DEFENDING THEMSELVES. TRUMP MESSED UP IN THE MIDDLE
[00:18:37] EAST, NOW UKRAINE WITH THE DIESEL.
[00:18:41] THIS IS ALL TRUMP'S MESS RIGHT
[00:18:44] NOW, AND REPUBLICANS GREENLIGHT ALL OF IT.
[00:18:46] NOT STANDING UP TO TRUMP.
[00:18:49] REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS THE GUARD RAIL, BUT THEY FAILED TO DO THEIR JOBS.
[00:18:54] HOST: DARNETTE FROM THE BRONX,
[00:19:01] NEW YORK, DEMOCRAT. WHAT PARTY DO YOU WANT TO RUN
[00:19:05] CONGRESS? CALLER: DEMOCRAT. HOST: WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?
[00:19:09] CALLER: BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
[00:19:11] EVERY DAY THEY ARE ON BREAK.
[00:19:13] THE COUNTRY IS GOING WAY OVER THE BREACH.
[00:19:17] WE CANNOT EVEN PAY THE BILLS.
[00:19:19] AND THERE IS A WOMAN -- THE
[00:19:23] DEMOCRATS NEED TO CONTROL
[00:19:25] CONGRESS BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS MAKE SENSE.
[00:19:34] REPUBLICAN IS NOT GOING THE PATHWAY ANYBODY CAN SEE IS HELPING ANYONE.
[00:19:38] THIS WOMAN THAT WAS JUST ON THE
[00:19:43] SHOW JUST HAD THINGS TWISTED,
[00:19:51] TALKING ABOUT DEMOCRATS. DOES SHE KNOW WHERE SHE IS LIVING?
[00:19:54] HOW IS SHE PAYING HER BILLS? HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[00:19:59] SINCE YOU SAID -- SHE SAID SHE
[00:20:02] WANTS DEMOCRATS TO WIN, LETS US INTERFACE THE NATION ON CBS
[00:20:07] YESTERDAY WERE CHRIS PAPPAS, THE CURRENT CONGRESSMAN RUNNING FOR THE SENATE SEAT, TALKED ABOUT
[00:20:10] THE PRIORITIES THAT DEMOCRATS
[00:20:13] WOULD HAVE IF THEY WON CONTROL OF THE CHAMBER. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:20:18] >> IF DEMOCRATS FLOW CONTROL OF CONGRESS, WHAT SPECIFICALLY DOES
[00:20:22] THE PARTY WANTED TO DO TO STOP MR. TRUMP, AS YOU JUST LAID OUT?
[00:20:28] IS THAT IMPEACHMENT? IS THAT INVESTIGATION?
[00:20:30] >> CERTAINLY, THERE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO
[00:20:34] WHAT -- TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN GOVERNMENT, AND ANY SORT OF
[00:20:38] CORRUPTION HAS TO BE ROOTED OUT. BUT WE HAVE TO FOCUS LIKE A
[00:20:41] LASER ON THE ECONOMIC CHALLENGES PEOPLE ARE LIVING.
[00:20:44] WE HAVE TO PUT SOMEONE'S ON THE BOARD FOR WORKERS THAN THE MIDDLE-CLASS, AND WE HAVE TO
[00:20:48] BUILD ON THE SUCCESS ON THE HOUSING BILL TO INVEST IN THE
[00:20:52] AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK.
[00:20:56] WE HAVE TO END THIS WAR IN LOWER ENERGY PRICES. RESTORE THE CUTS TO HEALTH CARE THAT ARE KEEPING THOUSANDS OFF
[00:21:00] OF THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE AND MAKING IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS THE CARE THEY NEED.
[00:21:05] WE HAVE TO FOCUS WITH EVERYTHING WE GOT ON THE AFFORDABILITY
[00:21:09] AGENDA STARTING IN JANUARY.
[00:21:10] I THINK THAT IS A SHORT, MEDIUM,
[00:21:13] AND LONG-TERM STRATEGY ON THE ECONOMY.
[00:21:20] >> YOU SAID RESTORE SUBSIDIES, SO YOU WANT MORE
[00:21:23] GOVERNMENT SPENDING ON HEALTH CARE, IS THAT YOUR PLATFORM?
[00:21:26] >> I WANT NEW HAMPSHIRE FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO GET HEALTH CARE
[00:21:30] PREMIUM THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM, THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO
[00:21:32] PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
[00:21:35] 17,000 FOLKS IN MY STATE HAVE DROPPED THEIR INSURANCE BECAUSE
[00:21:39] OF THE FAILURE TO EXTEND THE SUBSIDIES. WE ARE LOOKING AT A HUGE CUT
[00:21:43] WITH RESPECT TO MEDICAID THAT WILL DEVASTATE THE HOSPITALS,
[00:21:46] HEALTH CENTERS, NURSING HOMES, SPECIFICALLY IN TIME TO KICK IN
[00:21:49] AFTER THE ELECTION. SO IT IS BOTH MAKING THEIR
[00:21:52] AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WORK, TAKING THE INSURANCE AND PHARMACEUTICAL
[00:21:56] COMPANIES TO ACCOUNT TO LOWER
[00:21:57] PRICES, AND MAKING SURE BACKSTOPPING THESE CUTS TO
[00:22:01] MEDICAID SO RULE HEALTH CARE AND HEALTH CARE TO PEOPLE IN UNDERSERVED AREAS DOES NOT GET
[00:22:05] DISRUPTED AND DESTROYED BY THESE MAGA CUTS THAT WERE PART OF THE
[00:22:09] BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL LAST YEAR.
[00:22:11] HOST: THAT WAS CONGRESSMAN CHRIS PAPPAS OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, WHO IS
[00:22:15] ALSO RUNNING FOR A SENATE SEAT.
[00:22:18] SOME OF YOUR MESSAGES ONLINE AND OVER THE PHONE.
[00:22:21] FIRST FROM DAN WALSH, HE WRITES,
[00:22:24] NEITHER, THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM IS FAILING AMERICA.
[00:22:28] THERE IS NO DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE CONSTITUTION.
[00:22:31] THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM HAS HIJACKED OUR GOVERNMENT.
[00:22:34] WE NEED AN AMERICAN PARTY THAT CARES ABOUT AMERICAN VALUES.
[00:22:38] THE NEXT MESSAGE SAYS, I WANT THE DEMOCRATS TOOK CONTROL BOTH
[00:22:41] HOUSES OF CONGRESS STARTING IN JANUARY. THEN THEY WILL HAVE THE DECISION
[00:22:45] OF WHETHER TO GOVERN OR SPEND ALL THEIR TIME CASTIGATING THE
[00:22:48] TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. IN EITHER CASE, THEY WON'T HAVE A VETOPROOF MAJORITY IN EITHER
[00:22:52] HOUSE. WHAT DEMOCRATS DO IN THIS TWO
[00:22:54] YEARS WILL INFORM AND PREPARE
[00:22:59] AMERICANS FOR THE 2028 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
[00:23:04] NEXT FROM MIKE THORTON, UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONLY CHOICE FOR NOW IS DEMOCRATS. IT HAS TO BE STOPPED.
[00:23:08] AFTER THAT, THE DEMOCRATS WILL NEED TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE GOING
[00:23:11] TO GOVERN BASED ON THE PROGRAM OF ECONOMIC PATRIOTISM AND
[00:23:14] SOCIAL FREEDOM. REGARDLESS, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
[00:23:17] HAVE TO DEVELOP REAL ALTERNATIVES TO BOTH THE
[00:23:20] DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTIES. WE DESPERATELY NEED MORE CHOICES
[00:23:24] AND BETTER CHOICES MOVING FORWARD.
[00:23:27] SEAN SAYS, REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BECOME THE
[00:23:30] PARTY OF THE INSANE. OPEN BORDERS AND AMNESTY FOR 20
[00:23:34] MILLION ILLEGALS ARE MORE THAT IS IN THIS COUNTRY DEPENDING ON
[00:23:38] WHO IS COUNTING. PLUS, THEY'RE TURNING MORE COMMUNIST.
[00:23:44] ANOTHER MESSAGE, THE REPUBLICAN
[00:23:47] PARTY, THE PARTY THAT WANTS SECURE BORDERS -- BORDERS.
[00:23:50] THE PARTY THAT CUTS WASTE AND FRAUD. THE PARTY THAT PROTECTS AND
[00:23:54] FIGHTS FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS RATHER THAN THOSE THAT ARE IN
[00:23:58] OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. THE PARTY THAT GAVE US INCREASED
[00:24:01] CHILD TAXES, $6,000 MORE TAX
[00:24:04] FREE INCOME FOR SOCIAL SECURITY RECIPIENTS.
[00:24:06] THOSE ARE SOME ONLINE MESSAGES. THE QUESTION THIS MORNING IS,
[00:24:10] WHAT PARTY DO YOU WANT TO CONTROL CONGRESS? THAT'S TURNED BACK TO PHONE
[00:24:14] CALLS. HOWARD FROM OHIO, REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING.
[00:24:20] CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[00:24:23] YEAH, PEOPLE, THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO WAKE UP.
[00:24:25] THE RICH RUN OUR COUNTRY.
[00:24:30] WHY WOULD YOU SPEND TENS OF
[00:24:33] MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, OR HUNDREDS
[00:24:37] OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, ON A
[00:24:39] CAMPAIGN THAT ONLY PAYS $100,000 A YEAR?
[00:24:43] WHAT DOES PEOPLE THINK?
[00:24:46] THE RICH RUNS THE COUNTRY.
[00:24:49] STOP ALL DONATIONS. LET EVERY CANDIDATE GET
[00:24:53] TAXPAYERS MONEY, A CERTAIN AMOUNT. IF THEY CANNOT RUN A CAMPAIGN ON
[00:24:57] A BUDGET, THEY SURE AS HECK CAN'T RUN A CAMPAIGN ON A
[00:25:01] COUNTRY OR A STATE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?
[00:25:05] WAKE UP.
[00:25:08] GET THE DONATION OUT OF THE BUSINESS.
[00:25:13] I DON'T SEE HOW ANYBODY CAN HAVE
[00:25:16] ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT. THERE'S MONEY FROM OTHER STATES
[00:25:19] TO COME IN, MONEY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES THAT COME IN.
[00:25:22] THEY ARE RUNNING YOUR COUNTRY. WAKE UP.
[00:25:25] HOST: ALL RIGHT, HOWARD. LET ME ASK YOU QUICKLY, BECAUSE
[00:25:29] THE PRESIDENT IS EXPECTED TO RALLY IN OHIO FOR JOHN WHO STEAD LATER ON TODAY.
[00:25:34] YOU CALLED IN ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE, ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO
[00:25:39] THE PRESIDENT'S VISIT? CALLER: I DON'T CARE IF HE COMES HERE OR NOT.
[00:25:43] I AM A REPUBLICAN HERE. I AM 67 YEARS OLD.
[00:25:45] THE WAY I SEE IT, THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO TAKE ALL THE
[00:25:49] MONEY AND GIVE YOU ALL THE RULES
[00:25:52] AND TELL YOU HOW TO RUN YOUR LIFE.
[00:25:56] AND THEY WANTED TO TAKE YOUR MONEY AND GIVE IT TO WHOEVER
[00:25:58] THEY DEEM THAT NEEDS IT.
[00:26:01] NO, STOP THAT. COME ON, GET REAL.
[00:26:05] PEOPLE ARE SO LAZY NOWADAYS,
[00:26:08] THIS GENERATION DON'T WANT TO DO NOTHING.
[00:26:10] THEY WANT EVERYTHING HANDED TO THEM.
[00:26:13] WE NEED TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE
[00:26:15] WAS IN THE 1980'S AND 1990'S.
[00:26:21] THIS IS JUST CRAZY, TOTALLY CRAZY.
[00:26:24] HOST: ALL RIGHT. MEL FROM FLORIDA, DEMOCRAT.
[00:26:29] GOOD MORNING. WHICH PARTY DO YOU WANT TO
[00:26:32] CONTROL CONGRESS? CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I WANT THE DEMOCRATS TO CONTROL
[00:26:36] BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.
[00:26:38] I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME
[00:26:41] PROTECTIONS AGAINST THE
[00:26:45] EXECUTIVE POWERS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS EXHIBITED. AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT
[00:26:50] THING IN THE PEOPLE FEELING IT
[00:26:54] THE WORSE ARE THE FARMERS OF THIS COUNTRY.
[00:26:57] WITH THE INCREASED PRICES OF DIESEL, INCREASED PRICES AND
[00:27:02] FERTILIZER. WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REMEMBER
[00:27:06] WHAT HAPPENED IN 2015 WHEN ALL
[00:27:11] THESE POOR FARMERS COULD NO LONGER SELL SOYBEANS TO CHINA.
[00:27:15] THEIR CROPS ROTTED IN THE FIELDS.
[00:27:18] TRUMP WAS NICE ENOUGH TO GIVE
[00:27:20] THEM A $20 BILLION BAILOUT. BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, EVEN
[00:27:24] AFTER THE 2026 ELECTIONS, WE ARE
[00:27:30] STILL GOING TO HAVE TRUMP AS PRESIDENT. AND WE DO NOT KNOW IF OUR
[00:27:33] FARMERS WILL BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR PRODUCTS WORLDWIDE.
[00:27:38] AND THE FARMERS ARE THE ONES
[00:27:40] THAT FEED THE COUNTRY.
[00:27:42] WE HAVE ACTUALLY BURNED FOOD AND LET FOOD BROUGHT IN THE FIELD.
[00:27:46] HOST: LET ME ASK YOU, SINCE YOU SAID YOU WANT DEMOCRATS TO CONTROL BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE
[00:27:51] SENATE IN ORDER TO PERHAPS
[00:27:55] REFUTE THE ACTIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
[00:27:58] DO YOU TRUST DEMOCRATS ENOUGH TO DO SO IF THEY DO WHEN BACK AT
[00:28:02] LEAST THE HOUSE, TO PUSH AGAINST THIS PRESIDENT?
[00:28:05] CALLER: I THINK IF THEY HAVE CONTROL OF THE POCKETBOOK,
[00:28:08] THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING
[00:28:09] MONEY FROM -- CHANGING STATUTES.
[00:28:16] GOLDEN BUILDING NEW BALLROOMS OR WHATEVER, I THINK SOME OF THAT
[00:28:20] MONEY WOULD FIND ITS WAY TO SNAP AND FEED THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN
[00:28:24] THIS COUNTRY.
[00:28:26] I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO SORT OF
[00:28:29] WORK MY WAY UP, BUT THERE ARE A
[00:28:32] LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FOOD IS FOOD.
[00:28:38] IF WE DID NOT BURN IT AND WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE IT TO A SNAP
[00:28:42] PROGRAM OR GIVE PEOPLE FREE
[00:28:44] LUNCHES, I PUT THAT STUFF AWAY,
[00:28:46] THAT IS IN -- IMPORTANT IF YOU WILL THAT OUR CITIZENS DESERVE.
[00:28:53] I THINK THE SENATE WOULD CONTROL TARIFFS.
[00:28:57] OUR TRADE AGREEMENTS, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR FARMERS WOULD BE BETTER
[00:29:01] AROUND THE WORLD.
[00:29:02] EVEN IF WE GIVE IT AWAY FOR NOTHING, THAT IS THE BEST
[00:29:07] DIPLOMACY YOU CAN DO.
[00:29:10] UNFORTUNATELY, OUR COUNTRY NO LONGER DOES THAT LIKE THEY DID
[00:29:12] IN THE PAST. I THINK HAVING CONTROL OF BOTH
[00:29:16] HOUSES, HOPEFULLY COLLECTIVELY THEY CAN DRAW BACK ON THE POWERS
[00:29:20] OF THE PRESIDENT AND START
[00:29:24] TAKING CARE OF THE REAL
[00:29:26] AMERICANS, THE ONES THEY GET THE
[00:29:30] DIRT UNDER THEIR FINGERNAILS.
[00:29:33] ONCE YOU FEED US AND SERVICE US.
[00:29:36] I THINK THINGS WORK -- I KNOW WE
[00:29:39] HAVE A LOT OF ILLEGALS, BUT YOU
[00:29:41] KNOW WHAT, WITH THE ILLEGALS, OUR SYSTEM WORKS.
[00:29:45] WHAT WE SHOULD TRY TO DO SOMEHOW GET THESE PEOPLE ON THE TAX ROLLS, DO SOMETHING.
[00:29:49] I WOULD RATHER HAVE THOSE PEOPLE
[00:29:52] WORKING THAN TAKING FOOD AND BURNING IT AND HAVING OUR KIDS
[00:29:56] NOT HAVE BREAKFAST AND LUNCH IN SCHOOL.
[00:29:58] HOST: THAT IS NO FROM FLORIDA, DEMOCRAT.
[00:30:01] ALAN FROM DALLAS, REPUBLICAN. WHICH PARTY DO YOU WANT TO
[00:30:05] CONTROL CONGRESS?
[00:30:08] CALLER: YES, PARTY TO CONTROL CONGRESS?
[00:30:11] I BELIEVE WE ARE POSSIBLY GOING
[00:30:13] TO SEE A DEMOCRATIC SENATE AND
[00:30:17] REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT. BUT WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS I
[00:30:20] WOULD LIKE TO ATTEMPT TO MAKE A
[00:30:23] DEAL -- I DO BELIEVE THAT VOTING
[00:30:28] MATTERS.
[00:30:29] IF YOU ARE AN INTELLIGENT,
[00:30:34] TITLE-HAVING, OPINIONATED
[00:30:37] INTELLECTUAL, VOTING DEFINITELY MATTERS. BUT THE VOTE IS NOT ALL THAT MATTERS WHEN IT COMES TO THE
[00:30:42] ELECTION. I WAS THINKING WE SHOULD ATTEMPT
[00:30:45] TO MAKE A DEAL WITH DEMOCRATS TO GET THEM SENATE SEATS AND EVEN A
[00:30:49] PRESIDENCY.
[00:30:52] I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BARRON TRUMP ATTEMPT TO BECOME A 33-YEAR-OLD
[00:30:56] PRESIDENT, SEEING A TRUMP
[00:30:59] PRESIDENT AT THAT AGE OF 33.
[00:31:04] IF BARRON TRUMP DECIDES TO TAKE
[00:31:08] POLITICO MULTI -- POLITICALITY,
[00:31:18] IN HIS STUDIES, HE WOULD THEN BE
[00:31:19] A 33-YEAR-OLD PRESIDENT.
[00:31:22] BUT I THINK THE DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE THE SENATE.
[00:31:26] THEY WILL HAVE THREE LAWS TO
[00:31:30] PASS. IF THEY ATTEMPT TO PASS
[00:31:34] DEMOCRATIC LAWS WITH A
[00:31:37] DEMOCRATIC SENATE, IT WILL
[00:31:41] POSSIBLY BE A CONSPIRACY.
[00:31:47] THE PRESIDENT CAN ONLY USE HIS POWER A VETO ON ONE OF THE LAWS,
[00:31:51] SO THEY WILL STILL HAVE TWO.
[00:31:54] HOST: ALL RIGHT, THAT IS ALAN FROM DALLAS, REPUBLICAN.
[00:31:58] MILTON FROM PHILADELPHIA, DEMOCRAT. WHICH PARTY DO YOU WANT TO
[00:32:01] CONTROL CONGRESS? CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY
[00:32:05] CALL. I WANT THE DEMOCRATS TO CONTROL
[00:32:07] THE CONGRESS, AND I INTEND TO VOTE DEMOCRAT.
[00:32:11] ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANT DEMOCRATS IS NOT SO MUCH
[00:32:14] IMPEACHMENT BUT TO INVESTIGATE
[00:32:15] THE CONTINUING GRAFTING BY
[00:32:20] DONALD TRUMP -- GRIFTING BY
[00:32:25] DONALD TRUMP. SINCE HE BECAME PRESIDENT, HIS
[00:32:27] FAMILY HAS MADE OVER $2 BILLION.
[00:32:31] THE CORRUPTION KEEPS GOING ON AND ON AND ON.
[00:32:33] I HOPE THAT CHUCK SCHUMER AND JEFFRIES, THEY WILL HOLD AN IMPEACHMENT VOTE.
[00:32:39] THEY NEED TO CHECK TRUMP.
[00:32:41] IN SCHUMER'S CASE, BLOCK SOME OF
[00:32:45] THESE LOONEY TUNES HE APPOINTED TO HIS CABINET.
[00:32:48] HOST: LET ME ASK YOU, YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE DEMOCRATS IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT?
[00:32:54] CALLER: NO, I THINK IT WOULD BE POLITICAL SUICIDE. BUT THEY SHOULD INVESTIGATE HIM.
[00:32:59] HOST: DO YOU WANT TO SEE THEM
[00:33:04] INVESTIGATE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY? I KNOW YOU TALKED A BIT ABOUT
[00:33:06] HOW MUCH MONEY THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE SINCE RETURNING TO OFFICE.
[00:33:10] ANY SPECIFIC TYPE OF INVESTIGATION YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE?
[00:33:15] CALLER: YES, LIKE HIS CONTRACTS
[00:33:20] AND HIS SON-IN-LAW JARED KERSHNER GETTING. HE ALSO CONDUCTS FOREIGN POLICY
[00:33:24] AT THE SAME TIME HE IS DOING SIDE BUSINESS DEALS.
[00:33:27] COULD YOU IMAGINE IF THIS WAS
[00:33:29] HUNTER BIDEN OR ONE OF THE
[00:33:32] SON-IN-LAW'S DOING SIDE DEALS WHY HE IS CONDUCTING FOREIGN
[00:33:36] POLICY? WHAT DO WE HAVE A SECRETARY OF STATE FOR?
[00:33:39] HE CONTINUES HIS GRIFTING.
[00:33:46] IT SHOULD BE ALARMING TO EVERYONE.
[00:33:48] HOST: I BELIEVE HE WAS TALKING
[00:33:51] ABOUT JARED KERSHNER AND HIS FIRM.
[00:33:54] JARED KERSHNER TWEETED A FEW DAYS AGO, A WEBSITE IN WHICH HE
[00:33:57] REFUSED TO SOME OF THE CLAIMS MADE IN RECENT REPORTING, IF YOU
[00:34:01] WANT TO TAKE A LOOK.
[00:34:04] TO ILLINOIS, REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING.
[00:34:09] CARLA, GOOD MORNING.
[00:34:13] HOST: GOOD MORNING.
[00:34:15] I WOULD SAY REPUBLICAN.
[00:34:23] I LISTEN TO THE DEMOCRATS, AND FIRST THING THEY'RE GOING TO DO
[00:34:26] IS TRY TO IMPEACH A TRUMP. THEY DID NOT DO NO GOOD WHEN
[00:34:29] THEY WERE IN THEIR THE FIRST TIME, OR THE LAST TIME,
[00:34:33] WHATEVER. THEY HAD JOE BIDEN'S PRESIDENT.
[00:34:35] THEY DID NOT IMPEACH HIM, BUT HE
[00:34:38] SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED AND PUT IN PRISON FOR TREASON.
[00:34:43] EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT HOW BAD
[00:34:45] TRUMP IS, YOU KNOW, HE JUST
[00:34:50] CLOSED DOWN THE BORDER. JOE BIDEN DIDN'T.
[00:34:55] THEY CUT WASTE, FRAUD, AND ABUSE
[00:34:56] OF MONEY.
[00:34:59] THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT TRUMP DID THAT HE IS NOT GETTING
[00:35:02] CREDIT FOR, AND I THINK IT IS KIND OF WRONG. SO I WOULD SAY REPUBLICAN.
[00:35:07] BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS NOT GOING
[00:35:09] TO PROBABLY HAPPEN, IT WILL PROBABLY BE DEMOCRATS IN THE
[00:35:12] HOUSE OR SENATE, ONE OF THE TWO. BUT IF THEY IMPEACH TRUMP, LIKE
[00:35:17] THE GUY SAID BEFORE, IT IS SUICIDE.
[00:35:20] HOST: I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF THE
[00:35:23] DEMOCRATS SAYING HE DID NOT WANT DEMOCRATS TO IMPEACH TRUMP.
[00:35:27] CALLER: I DON'T WANT THEM TO IMPEACH HIM BECAUSE, LIKE HE
[00:35:30] SAID, IT WOULD BE POLITICAL SUICIDE.
[00:35:34] BECAUSE REPUBLICANS, WHEN THEY
[00:35:37] GOT IN A FEW YEARS AGO, THEY DID
[00:35:40] NOT IMPEACH BIDEN AND THEY
[00:35:43] SHOULD HAVE. HOST: IN 2022.
[00:35:46] CALLER: YEAH, THEY SHOULD HAVE IMPEACHED HIM WHEN HE GOT BACK
[00:35:49] INTO CONTROL AND THEY DIDN'T. THEY WENT THROUGH AND LET HIM
[00:35:53] STAY IN.
[00:35:55] THAT IS HOW THEY SHOULD DO TRUMP APPEAR LIKE THEY SAY, TOO, THAT
[00:35:59] IS A WASTE OF MONEY THERE, THEY HAVE TO HOLD ALL THE TRIALS.
[00:36:03] HOST: ALL RIGHT. LAST WORD.
[00:36:06] ALL RIGHT, THAT'S CARLA FROM ILLINOIS, REPUBLICAN.
[00:36:10] JOHNNY FROM FLORIDA, DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT PARTY DO
[00:36:15] YOU WANT TO CONTROL CONGRESS? CALLER: DEMOCRATS, OF COURSE.
[00:36:20] WE NEED TO GET RID OF TRUMP, HIS
[00:36:23] WHOLE ADMINISTRATION.
[00:36:26] I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE
[00:36:29] DEMOCRATS WIN FLORIDA AND GET
[00:36:32] RID OF THIS KNOW GOOD GOVERNOR
[00:36:35] WE HAVE -- GOVERNMENT WE HAVE THAT IS STEALING MONEY IN
[00:36:37] ROBBING PEOPLE, DOING THAT THING.
[00:36:40] WE DEFINITELY NEED A NEW PRESIDENT.
[00:36:42] I AM HOPING THAT MICHELLE OBAMA WILL RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
[00:36:45] I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HER RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
[00:36:49] SHE WOULD MAKE A GREAT PRESIDENT. WE NEED TO GET RID OF TRUMP.
[00:36:53] IMPEACH HIM, YES, GET RID OF HIM IN ANY WAY.
[00:36:55] HE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING BUT TAKE MONEY AND GOT RICH OFF THE PEOPLE.
[00:36:59] IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING FAST,
[00:37:01] WE ARE ALL GOING DOWN IN THE BOAT. HOST: THAT IS JOHNNY FROM
[00:37:06] FLORIDA, A DEMOCRAT. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO HAKEEM
[00:37:09] JEFFRIES ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL
[00:37:12] ON SATURDAY, SPEAKING ABOUT
[00:37:15] FUNDRAISING WITH THE DNC AND OUTREACH IN THE UPCOMING MIDTERMS. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:37:20] >> SPEAKER JOHNSON HAS BEEN
[00:37:23] SPEAKING OF A RECORD-BREAKING FUNDRAISING CYCLE FOR HIM IN
[00:37:26] DIFFERENT GOP GROUPS OUT OF THE MIDTERMS.
[00:37:28] BUT THE SHIFT IN POLLS KEEP LEANING TOWARDS DEMOCRATS.
[00:37:31] WHY DO YOU THINK WE ARE SEEING THOSE FAVORS AND PULLS TOWARDS
[00:37:36] THE DNC, AND ARE YOU WORRIED
[00:37:39] ABOUT IT? >> WHAT IS INTERESTING IS A
[00:37:42] CYCLE TO DATE, HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE OUTRAISED THE REPUBLICAN
[00:37:45] CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE.
[00:37:48] AND AFFILIATED GROUPS THAT ARE
[00:37:51] WORKING HARD FOR US TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF THE HOUSE HAVE HAD A
[00:37:55] RECORD-BREAKING CYCLE. BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE
[00:37:58] AMERICAN PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE UNLEASHED
[00:38:02] UNPRECEDENTED EXTREMISM.
[00:38:04] THE COUNTRY HAS NOT GOTTEN MORE
[00:38:06] AFFORDABLE, IT HAS GOTTEN MORE EXPENSIVE.
[00:38:09] REPUBLICANS HAVE THROWN US INTO THIS RECKLESS AND COSTLY WAR OF
[00:38:13] CHOICE THAT, IN A MAJORITY, IS A
[00:38:15] MEMBER OF CONGRESS, CONTINUING TO FIGHT HARD, WE NEED TO END
[00:38:19] THIS WAR FOR THE SAKE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND FOR THE GOOD
[00:38:22] OF OUR OWN NATIONAL SECURITY.
[00:38:25] AS A RESULT OF THESE THINGS, WE
[00:38:27] ARE 24 DAYS AWAY FROM TAKING BACK CONTROL OF THE HOUSE,
[00:38:31] BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT US TO END THIS NATIONAL NIGHTMARE.
[00:38:36] HOST: THAT WAS DEMOCRATIC HOUSE LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES TALKING
[00:38:39] ABOUT FUNDING FROM THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL
[00:38:42] CAMPAIGN PAC AND OTHER ALLIED
[00:38:47] GROUPS. THAT WAS FOOTAGE ON THE TRAIL ON
[00:38:52] SATURDAY, AS WE GO INTO THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
[00:38:55] CLARENCE FROM BALTIMORE, INDEPENDENT.
[00:38:58] QUESTION, WHAT PARTY DO YOU WANT TO CONTROL CONGRESS?
[00:39:02] CALLER: FIRST, I WANT TO SAY
[00:39:04] HAKEEM JEFFRIES AND SCHUMER FOR
[00:39:09] THE DEMOCRATS, THEY JUST SELECT SNAKES TO ME.
[00:39:12] I AM A DEMOCRAT. THOSE TWO GUYS JUST SOUND LIKE
[00:39:15] SNAKES TO ME AND I DON'T LIKE THEM. BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS COOL.
[00:39:20] I WOULD LIKE FOR THE HOUSE AND
[00:39:25] THE SENATE TO BE DEMOCRATS
[00:39:26] BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT
[00:39:30] HAVE BEEN VOTING FOR KIDS TO
[00:39:33] HAVE FREE FOOD. REPUBLICANS HAVEN'T, SO I AM
[00:39:36] KIND OF GOING OFF ON THAT STANCE.
[00:39:39] LET -- IF YOU DO NOT LET A KID
[00:39:42] HAVE FREE FOOD, I AM OPPOSED TO YOUR THINKING AND IDEOLOGY.
[00:39:46] ALSO, I AM HOPING THAT IF
[00:39:49] DEMOCRATS GET INTO EITHER OF THE HOUSES, THAT THEY DON'T SPEND
[00:39:53] ALL THE TIME TRYING TO FIGHT AGAINST WHATEVER TRUMP DID.
[00:39:57] I WOULD LIKE THEM TO JUST GET MOVING.
[00:40:00] IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND TAKE WHATEVER HE DID THAT
[00:40:05] WAS GOOD, BOUNCE OFF OF THAT, AND NOT NITPICK ALL THE OTHER
[00:40:08] STUFF HE DID NOT DO THAT DID NOT GET ACCOMPLISHED.
[00:40:13] JUST NITPICK ON THOSE. TRY TO MOVE FORWARD.
[00:40:16] I FEEL LIKE ONCE I GET IN, THEY WILL SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THEIR
[00:40:20] TIME COMPLAINING AND SAYING FROM DID THIS, TRUMP DID THAT,
[00:40:24] NOTHING WILL GET ACCOMPLISHED. AND IT WILL MAKE IT POINTLESS TO
[00:40:27] EVEN HAVE THEM IN THERE.
[00:40:33] BUT I AM HOPING THEY CAN GET PAST THAT INTO SOMETHING.
[00:40:36] OTHER THAN THAT, I'M VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS.
[00:40:39] HOST: YOU WANT TO SEE DEMOCRATS PASSED LEGISLATION.
[00:40:41] DO YOU BELIEVE THAT DEMOCRATS
[00:40:46] LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE OR SENATE IF THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL?
[00:40:52] CALLER: YEAH. MATTER OF FACT, FROM BOTH PARTIES.
[00:40:54] ALL THEM OLD PEOPLE, GET THEM OUT. THEY OLD.
[00:40:58] ANYONE OVER 68, 60, GET THEM OUT.
[00:41:02] GET SOME NEW BLOOD IN THERE. ALL THEM OLD FOLKS IN THERE,
[00:41:06] OLD-TIMERS, GET THEM OUT. GET THE YOUNG BLOOD IN THERE,
[00:41:09] NEW DOGS, NEW THINKING, ALL THAT.
[00:41:14] GET THE OLD PEOPLE OUT, GET SOME
[00:41:17] NEW BLOOD IN THERE, AND START FROM THERE. I'M TIRED OF SEEING ALL OF THE
[00:41:21] OLD PEOPLE CALLING AND TALKING AND SAYING ALL THIS STUFF LIKE
[00:41:24] THE GOOD OLD DAYS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER. GET THEM OUT.
[00:41:28] GET THE NEW BLOOD IN THERE.
[00:41:30] ANYBODY LISTENING, IF YOU KNOW
[00:41:32] SOMEBODY THAT IS YOUNG AND THEY DRIVE IN THE MORNING AND DO
[00:41:36] STUFF, HAVE THEM LISTEN TO THIS AND HAVE THEM CALL AND WHATNOT.
[00:41:39] WE NEED SOME NEW BLOOD IN THIS WORLD.
[00:41:42] ALL THESE OLD FOLKS, JUST GET THEM OUT. HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[00:41:47] RICK FROM RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING.
[00:41:50] WHICH PARTY DO YOU WANT TO CONTROL CONGRESS?
[00:41:55] CALLER: REPUBLICAN, ABSOLUTELY.
[00:41:58] I AM A DAY TRADER.
[00:42:02] IF THE 401(K) CRASHES -- WE HAVE ALREADY LOST EVERYTHING, WE ARE
[00:42:05] NOT COMING BACK PEER LARGEST
[00:42:08] MIGRATION TO EVER TAKE PLACE IN MANKIND'S HISTORY.
[00:42:10] DID NOT COME BACK FROM SLAVERY. NEVER COMING BACK FROM THIS,
[00:42:14] JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
[00:42:17] NOBODY, TRUMP, NOBODY CAN TURN
[00:42:19] AROUND WHAT BIDEN DID. IT IS NOT PLAUSIBLE TO THINK
[00:42:23] THAT THEY COULD.
[00:42:26] YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON
[00:42:29] IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW,
[00:42:32] DEMOCRATS ARE BAD DOCTORS. THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAN A GOOD DOCTOR AND NOTHING WORSE
[00:42:36] THAN A BAD DOCTOR. I THINK THAT EVERYBODY WILL JUST
[00:42:40] PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR MONEY.
[00:42:45] A PIECE OF PAPER WITH A PICTURE ON A DECEASED NOBLE ON IT HAS
[00:42:48] LOST 50% OF THE VALUE IN THE
[00:42:51] LAST SIX YEARS.
[00:42:56] I AM A REPUBLICAN.
[00:42:59] BUT I MAY NOT LIKE REPUBLICANS.
[00:43:02] I JUST AM GOING TO STAY ON THE
[00:43:05] REPUBLICAN COURSE BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS BASICALLY, IN MY MIND,
[00:43:10] IN MY IGNORANCE, HAVE LOST THEIR MINDS.
[00:43:13] WITH THE LGBTQ IN THE WORLD
[00:43:15] TODAY, THERE'S NO COMING BACK
[00:43:19] FROM ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND LGBTQ.
[00:43:22] HOST: JERRY FROM CALIFORNIA, A DEMOCRAT.
[00:43:25] GOOD MORNING, TERRY. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE DEMOCRATS.
[00:43:29] AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE NEED TO
[00:43:31] DO IS STOP SOME OF THE MAJOR
[00:43:33] THINGS GOING ON THAT ARE
[00:43:36] BASICALLY DESTROYING US.
[00:43:39] THE PLACES ARE OUT OF CONTROL. WE CAN'T AFFORD ANYTHING.
[00:43:43] I LISTEN TO PEOPLE TALK ABOUT
[00:43:45] HOW THE LAST TIME TRUMP WAS IN
[00:43:50] OFFICE AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT
[00:43:52] HAPPENED TO THE FARMERS, HE WAS
[00:43:55] GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO GIVE THEM $28 BILLION FOR A BAILOUT.
[00:43:59] THAT COMES FROM OUR TAX DOLLARS.
[00:44:03] EARLIER, YOU SHOWED THE
[00:44:08] GENTLEMAN RUNNING FOR SENATE ON
[00:44:09] MEET THE PRESS, I THINK, AND THE
[00:44:14] REPORTER SAID, YOU WANT MORE GOVERNMENT SPENDING.
[00:44:17] NOT ONE TIME HAVE I HEARD
[00:44:19] SOMEONE SAY, HOW ARE YOU PAYING
[00:44:22] FOR THIS WORK? HOW ARE WE PAYING FOR ALL THE
[00:44:25] THINGS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN IT?
[00:44:29] NO BUDGETING, NO ANYTHING.
[00:44:33] WE ARE $40 TRILLION IN DEBT, AND
[00:44:36] EVERYONE, BOTH REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATS, SEEM TO IGNORE THAT.
[00:44:40] THEY NEED TO STOP SOME OF THIS STUFF.
[00:44:43] ALL THE ILLEGAL THINGS GOING ON,
[00:44:46] THE GOVERNMENT SPENDING ON ADS
[00:44:48] -- THEY NEED TO ENFORCE THE
[00:44:52] EMOLUMENTS CLAUSE. THEY NEED TO BASICALLY INVESTIGATE TRUMP.
[00:44:56] I DO NOT WANT TO SEE HIM IMPEACHED.
[00:44:59] HOWEVER, I WANT TO SEE ALL THE ILLEGAL FUNDS THAT HE AND HIS
[00:45:03] FAMILY HAVE MADE GIVEN BACK TO THE U.S. TREASURY.
[00:45:06] WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT HOW
[00:45:10] TO CORRECT ALL OF THIS BECAUSE WE ARE THE MOST HATED COUNTRY.
[00:45:17] PEOPLE THINK WE ARE VERY VIABLE.
[00:45:19] YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING A
[00:45:21] LIVE EXECUTION ON TV, STREAMING
[00:45:25] IT LIVE. LIKE, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
[00:45:29] PEOPLE HAVE GONE COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR MINDS.
[00:45:33] AND THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT YOU HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE
[00:45:36] TALKING ABOUT, OH, WE HAD OPEN BORDERS.
[00:45:40] I DON'T KNOW IF THE BORDER WAS OPEN OR IT WAS CLOSED.
[00:45:42] WE HAD PEOPLE GETTING OVER HERE ILLEGALLY.
[00:45:46] THOSE THAT HAVE COME OVER HERE
[00:45:49] LEGALLY -- ILLEGALLY, THEY NEED TO BE DEPORTED.
[00:45:53] I AGREE, THEY NEED TO GO BACK.
[00:45:55] HOWEVER, THEY DO NOT NEED TO BE KILLED.
[00:46:01] THEY DO NOT NEED TO BE -- THE
[00:46:03] LAWLESSNESS GOING ON WITH ICE. ALL OF THESE THINGS NEEDS TO
[00:46:07] STOP. AND COMMON SENSE NEEDS TO COME INTO PLAY.
[00:46:10] WE ALSO NEED PEOPLE WITH ETHICS.
[00:46:12] EVERYONE IS IN THERE, COMES IN POOR RIGHT NOW IN CONGRESS AND
[00:46:17] THEY ARE LEAVING
[00:46:19] MULTIMILLIONAIRES BECAUSE OF THE INSIDER-TRADING GOING ON.
[00:46:24] WE JUST NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE WITH ETHICS.
[00:46:27] THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IS
[00:46:30] THAT I AM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE
[00:46:33] TALKING ABOUT COMMUNISTS AND SOCIALISM AND THEY DO NOT KNOW
[00:46:38] THE DIFFERENCE AND THEY DO NOT KNOW THE DEFINITION.
[00:46:41] IF THAT IS THE CASE, TAKE SOCIAL
[00:46:44] SECURITY AND GET RID OF IT,
[00:46:45] BECAUSE THAT IS A SOCIAL PROGRAM.
[00:46:48] HOST: ALL RIGHT. SHE SAID SHE WANTS TO SEE
[00:46:51] DEMOCRATS IN OFFICE COME JANUARY.
[00:46:54] LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO MIKE ROGERS, SENATE CANDIDATE ON THE
[00:46:58] REPUBLICAN SIDE IN MICHIGAN, TALKING TO REPORTERS ABOUT WHAT
[00:47:01] HE WANTS TO SEE IN CONGRESS IF HE IS ELECTED. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:47:06] >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE CAN
[00:47:10] GO BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT WHAT MICHIGAN NEEDS.
[00:47:13] RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT. WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT GET UP
[00:47:18] EVERY MORNING AND STABBED THEM IN THE BACK AND CANNOT WAIT TO DO IT.
[00:47:21] MY ARGUMENT IS SIN ONE PERSON BACK TO SAY, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS
[00:47:24] IS BAD FOR US, THIS IS REALLY GOOD FOR US. CAN YOU DO THIS?
[00:47:28] WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT IN OVER A QUARTER.
[00:47:30] MY ARGUMENT IS, THIS IS THE CHANCE.
[00:47:33] HE WILL BE THERE TWO YEARS, THAN HE IS GONE.
[00:47:36] MY OPPONENT TALKS ABOUT BUILDING A MOVEMENT, TALKS ABOUT RUNNING
[00:47:39] FOR PRESIDENT IN 20 28.
[00:47:46] GREAT, WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE IN MICHIGAN WILL BE THE LAST THING ON YOUR MIND. IT WILL BE EVERY DAY, ALL DAY,
[00:47:48] SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY. I AM GOING TO STOP THINKING
[00:47:52] ABOUT WHAT I DO FOR MICHIGAN AFTER -- 20 MINUTES AFTER I GO
[00:47:55] TO SLEEP AND START THINKING ABOUT IT 20 MINUTES BEFORE I WAKE UP.
[00:47:58] WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT.
[00:47:59] WE HAD TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION
[00:48:02] OF MICHIGAN WHERE WE ARE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE HERE.
[00:48:05] HOST: THAT IS MIKE, SENATE
[00:48:07] REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IN MICHIGAN
[00:48:10] ON SATURDAY, TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS TO SEE MICHIGAN IF YOU
[00:48:12] WERE TO WIN THE ELECTION.
[00:48:19] CARL FROM ANNAPOLIS, INDEPENDENT. CALLER: MORNING.
[00:48:22] CAN YOU HEAR ME? HOST: I SURE CAN. CALLER: I DON'T WANT EITHER
[00:48:26] PARTY TO BE TAKING OVER CONTROL. I HAVE BEEN WATCHING POLITICS --
[00:48:30] ACTUALLY, I STARTED VOTING IN 1972.
[00:48:34] YOU GO FROM ONE EXTREME TO THE OTHER, EITHER FAR RIGHT OR FAR LEFT.
[00:48:38] WE HAVE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF BOTH PARTIES THAT DECIDE WHAT
[00:48:41] CANDIDATES THE REST OF US HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM.
[00:48:44] I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OPEN PRIMARIES IN EVERY STATE, STATE
[00:48:48] TO STATE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WERE EVERYONE CAN VOTE FOR
[00:48:52] THESE PEOPLE THEY ARE PUTTING UP, INSTEAD OF JUST ONE PARTY OR
[00:48:55] THE OTHER. THESE FOLKS REPRESENT ALL OF US,
[00:48:57] SO WHY CAN'T ALL OF US ABOUT? THAT IS ABOUT ALL I GOT TO SAY
[00:49:01] ABOUT IT. HOST: IN JUST A FEW MINUTES
[00:49:04] AFTER THE BREAK, WE WILL BE
[00:49:07] TALKING ABOUT INDEPENDENT VOTERS .
[00:49:10] MICHAEL FROM ALBANY, NEW YORK, DEMOCRAT. THE QUESTION IS, WHICH PARTY DO
[00:49:14] YOU WANT TO SEE CONTROL CONGRESS?
[00:49:17] CALLER: DEMOCRATS. HOST: WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?
[00:49:22] CALLER: I SAY DEMOCRATS. FOR ONE, ANY TIME WE HAVE A
[00:49:25] PRESIDENT IN OFFICE THAT IS
[00:49:27] TRYING TO BUY YOUR VOTES, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT.
[00:49:33] PEOPLE ARE GETTING THEIR HEALTH
[00:49:34] CARE CUT, GAS PRICES GOING UP.
[00:49:38] AND IF PEOPLE DON'T SEE WHAT IS
[00:49:42] REALLY GOING ON, WITH THE
[00:49:47] PRESIDENT AND HIS HENCHMEN IN OFFICE, JUST TEARING UP THE
[00:49:51] ECONOMY. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
[00:49:54] GET RICH.
[00:49:57] MIDDLE-CLASS, POOR PEOPLE JUST GETTING POOR. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
[00:50:04] HAVE A GOOD DAY. HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[00:50:09] ANOTHER STATE THAT WE ARE
[00:50:11] WATCHING HEAD OF THE NOVEMBER
[00:50:14] MIDTERM ELECTIONS IS KANSAS. I AM LOOKING AT A NEW YORK TIMES
[00:50:18] ARTICLE THAT SAYS THE MIDTERM
[00:50:20] SENATE FIGHT SPREADS TO A SURPRISING NEW BATTLEGROUND.
[00:50:24] BEAR WITH ME WHILE I SCROLL.
[00:50:27] IT SAYS THAT KANSAS HAS NOT ELECTED A DEMOCRAT TO THE SENATE
[00:50:30] SINCE 19 32. THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION --
[00:50:34] DOMINATION OF THE STATES TWO SENATE SEATS, LASTING NEARLY A
[00:50:37] CENTURY, IS ONE OF THE LONGEST PARTISAN WINNING STREAK SINCE IN THE HISTORY.
[00:50:42] SUDDENLY, A MEGA-CHURCH PASTOR WHO BECAME A DEMOCRAT THIS
[00:50:44] SPRING APPEARS TO HAVE A SHOT. ERASE THAT ONCE BARELY
[00:50:47] REGISTERED NATIONALLY HAS EMERGED AS ONE OF THE MOST
[00:50:50] UNEXPECTED BATTLEGROUNDS ON A MIDTERM MAP THAT HAS RAPIDLY
[00:50:54] EXPANDED INTO LONG-TERM REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLDS.
[00:50:56] ADAM HAMILTON IS A SERIOUS AND
[00:50:58] IT CONTINGENT IN KANSAS, AND IT
[00:51:01] APPEARS TO HAVE CAUGHT THE INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN, SENATOR
[00:51:04] ROGER MARSHALL, BY SURPRISE.
[00:51:13] ADAM HAMILTON, THAT DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE, WAS ON ABC ON SUNDAY.
[00:51:17] TAKE A LISTEN TO HOW HE DESCRIBED HIS POLITICAL POSITION. [VIDEO CLIP]
[00:51:22] >> THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN STATE.
[00:51:24] I HAVE HEARD YOU SAY I AM A LIBERAL AND I AM A CONSERVATIVE.
[00:51:28] WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >> TO BE LIBERAL MEANS GENEROUS OF SPIRIT.
[00:51:33] EVERYBODY SHOULD BE THAT. CONSERVATIVE MEANS YOU HOLD ONTO
[00:51:36] THINGS THAT ARE TREASURES, CONCERN VALUES.
[00:51:39] EVERYBODY SHOULD DO THAT.
[00:51:43] ALL OF US ARE MORE LIBERAL COMPARED TO SOMEBODY AND MORE CONSERVATIVE COMPARED TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
[00:51:47] IT MEANS A WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND AND UPHOLD BOTH OF THESE VALUES.
[00:51:51] I HAVE BEEN A REPUBLICAN AND A DEMOCRAT. I VALUE THINGS FOR BOTH PARTIES.
[00:51:55] IT IS THAT YOU TRY TO SAY, OK, LET'S BRING THE BEST OF THE TWO
[00:52:00] PARTIES TOGETHER TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
[00:52:05] I BECAME A DEMOCRAT DURING THE
[00:52:06] OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WHEN HE WAS RUNNING.
[00:52:10] FOR EIGHT YEARS, I WAS A DEMOCRAT.
[00:52:12] HE ASKED ME TO PREACH HIS SECOND
[00:52:15] INAUGURATION, THE PRAYER SERVICE FOLLOWING THAT.
[00:52:18] THEN I WENT BACK TO BEING A REPUBLICAN. YOU ARE IN KANSAS.
[00:52:21] IF YOU VOTE IN A PRIMARY, MOST
[00:52:23] OF THE TIME YOU VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS.
[00:52:26] I WOULD USUALLY TRY TO FIND MODERATES, PEOPLE WHO CARE AND REPRESENT MY VALUES.
[00:52:30] THEN I GOT IN THE VOTING BOOTH AND I ALWAYS SAID I WANT TO TRY
[00:52:33] TO FIND PEOPLE IN BOTH PARTIES I CAN VOTE FOR.
[00:52:37] I AM LOOKING FOR COMPETENCY AND CHARACTER AND VALUES. SO I HAVE VOTED FOR PEOPLE ON
[00:52:41] BOTH SIDES. I AM PROUD TO BE A DEMOCRAT. BUT WHAT MATTERS TO BE MORE THAN
[00:52:44] THE LETTER BEHIND YOUR NAME IS WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU STAND
[00:52:49] FOR AND YOUR CHARACTER.
[00:52:56] I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN OUR STATE. HOST: THAT IS DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CANDIDATE FROM KANSAS, ADAM HAMILTON, IN A
[00:53:01] SURPRISINGLY COMPETITIVE RACE THERE IN THAT REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLD.
[00:53:06] SHAE FROM ANDERSON, NORTH
[00:53:10] CAROLINA, REPUBLICAN. WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT YOUR
[00:53:12] STATE SENATE RACE EARLIER IN THE PROGRAM.
[00:53:14] WHICH PARTY DO YOU WANT TO CONTROL CONGRESS?
[00:53:17] CALLER: WELL, AT THIS POINT, IT
[00:53:22] REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, HONESTLY.
[00:53:25] I AM A REPUBLICAN.
[00:53:27] WHAT I WISHED IS THAT A
[00:53:32] PRESIDENT WOULD GET INTO OFFICE,
[00:53:35] REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, AND THE
[00:53:38] PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON GET BACK TO
[00:53:40] OUR BUSINESS, DEVISING --
[00:53:48] INSTEAD OF DEVISING WAYS OF ATTACKING EACH OTHER WHICH IS
[00:53:51] CAUSING SO MUCH HATE AND PROBLEMS IN OUR COUNTRY.
[00:53:55] ONE ISSUE I AM HAVING AS A
[00:53:58] SENIOR, AND MANY PEOPLE ARE, IS TELEMARKETERS.
[00:54:02] I WISH SOME OF THESE SENATORS
[00:54:08] COULD CLEAN THIS OUT. MY PHONE STARTS AT 8:00 A.M.,
[00:54:12] AND UNTIL 8:00 AND 9:00 AT
[00:54:15] NIGHT, THESE FOREIGN
[00:54:19] TELEMARKETERS CALL ME. I CANNOT EVEN ANSWER MY PHONE ANYMORE.
[00:54:24] I HAVE TO LEAVE A VOICEMAIL.
[00:54:26] YOU BLOCK THEM, HUNDREDS COME BACK IN, HUNDREDS OF CALLS.
[00:54:31] HOST: THAT IS ONE THING YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
[00:54:34] DID YOU WATCH THE DEBATE LAST NIGHT? DID YOU HAPPEN TO WATCH THE
[00:54:38] DEBATE LAST NIGHT BETWEEN
[00:54:42] CURRENT SENATOR GRAHAM AND HER RIVAL DR. ANNIE ANDREWS?
[00:54:47] CALLER: RIGHT, I DID.
[00:54:49] HOST: WHAT DID YOU MAKE ABOUT IT?
[00:54:52] CALLER: I DO LIKE THE
[00:54:53] LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE, I LIKE
[00:54:57] HER A LOT AND PROBABLY WOULD VOTE FOR HER.
[00:55:01] GRAHAM IS JUST LIKE HER BROTHER.
[00:55:05] HE WAS NOT LIKED IN SOUTH CAROLINA BECAUSE HE WOULD COME
[00:55:08] HERE ONCE A YEAR, RAISE BIG MONEY, AND GET BACK TO
[00:55:13] WASHINGTON AND DEVISE WAYS TO
[00:55:16] FIGHT AGAINST THE OTHER PARTY.
[00:55:20] NO, I DO NOT LIKE HER AT ALL.
[00:55:24] NOR THE DEMOCRATIC PHYSICIAN.
[00:55:26] HOST: THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING
[00:55:30] TO ASK YOU.
[00:55:32] CALLER: NOBODY IN -- NOBODY HERE
[00:55:37] OTHER THAN REACH PEOPLE SUPPORT LINDSEY GRAHAM.
[00:55:40] WHEN HE CAME HERE, HE WAS BOOED.
[00:55:46] ANYWAY, I WISH THE PRESIDENT WOULD GET INTO OFFICE THAT SHE
[00:55:49] TOOK CARE OF BUSINESS AND ASK
[00:55:53] THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, LIVE THEIR LIVES, WORKED OR DROPS --
[00:55:57] HOST: A QUICK QUESTION, ARE YOU
[00:56:00] HAPPY WITH THE TOP PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING?
[00:56:03] CALLER: I AM VERY HAPPY WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.
[00:56:09] I AM CERTAINLY NOT A VERY SMART
[00:56:12] PERSON AS FAR AS RUNNING A
[00:56:15] COUNTRY.
[00:56:16] AND I THINK HE HAS DONE A LOT OF
[00:56:20] GOOD THINGS FOR OUR COUNTRY.
[00:56:22] YOU KNOW, ONE CALLER WAS MAD
[00:56:25] THAT HE GAVE ALL THE MONEY TO
[00:56:27] THE FARMERS. WELL, SO BE IT.
[00:56:32] BECAUSE OUR MEAT IS BEING
[00:56:34] SOURCED NOW FROM OTHER COUNTRIES .
[00:56:37] BELIEVE ME, IT IS NOT BEING REGULATED.
[00:56:40] OUR CROPS WILL NOT BE REGULATED,
[00:56:43] OUR VEGETABLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
[00:56:45] SO GET READY FOR MORE POISON AND
[00:56:49] TOXINS IN YOUR FOOD THAT IS
[00:56:51] COMING FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, ESPECIALLY SEAFOOD.
[00:56:54] HOST: WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE A BREAK. I APPRECIATE YOUR CALL.
[00:57:01] LATER ON "WASHINGTON JOURNAL," WITH LESS THAN A MONTH TO GO
[00:57:04] BEFORE THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS, NATIONAL JOURNAL'S KIRK BADO
[00:57:08] WILL BE HERE TO BREAK DOWN THE STATE OF THE RACES IN MUST WATCH
[00:57:12] CONTESTS. FIRST, PRESIDENT OF VOTER
[00:57:16] ADVOCACY NONPROFIT OPEN PRIMARIES JOHN OPDYCKE DISCUSSES HOW INDEPENDENT VOTERS WILL
[00:57:20] IMPACT THE 2020 SIX MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
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[00:58:26] TOUGHEST RACES WILL DECIDE THE BALANCE OF POWER IN CONGRESS.
[00:58:29] WE ARE THE ONLY NATIONAL TELEVISION NETWORK PROVIDING THIS LEVEL OF UNFILTERED ACCESS
[00:58:33] TO THE CANDIDATES, THE VOTERS,
[00:58:35] AND THE ISSUES SHAPING THE CAMPAIGN.
[00:58:38] NO COMMENTATORS TELLING YOU WHAT
[00:58:40] TO THINK, NO PARTISAN SPIN.
[00:58:45] THE ROAD TO THE CAPITOL, ONLY ON C-SPAN. >> READY, SET, BUZZ.
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[00:59:17] >> SEE YOU AT THE CHAMPIONSHIP. >> "WASHINGTON JOURNAL"
[00:59:21] CONTINUES. HOST: JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THE ROLE OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS
[00:59:24] IN MIDTERM ELECTION 2026 IS JOHN
[00:59:28] OPDYCKE, FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF OPEN PRIMARIES.
[00:59:31] THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. GUEST: GREAT
[00:59:34] FIRST, TELL HER AUDIENCE ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION, OPEN PRIMARIES.
[00:59:39] WHAT ARE THE GOAL AND MISSION AND WHO FUNDS YOU?
[00:59:43] GUEST: IT IS A NATIONAL
[00:59:48] EDUCATION AND ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION. I FOUNDED IT IN 2009.
[00:59:50] OUR GOAL IS TO CHALLENGE THE WAY
[00:59:54] PARTIES CONTROL ROUND ONE OF THE
[00:59:58] ELECTORAL SYSTEM. WE THINK EVERY AMERICAN, EVERY
[01:00:01] CITIZEN SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE IN EVERY PUBLICLY FUNDED ELECTION BUT THAT IS NOT THE
[01:00:05] CASE AND IN MANY STATES IF
[01:00:09] YOU'RE AN INDEPENDENT VOTER YOU ARE BARRED FROM PARTICIPATING
[01:00:12] AND SO WE ARE WORKING TO CHANGE THAT THROUGH LITIGATION,
[01:00:16] LEGISLATION, AND TO PUBLICLY
[01:00:22] CREATE A NATIONAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT MOST
[01:00:25] DECISIONS ARE MADE IN THE PRIMARIES, NOT THE GENERAL ELECTION.
[01:00:30] GENERAL ELECTIONS HAVE BECOME UNCOMPETITIVE. IT IS A NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT.
[01:00:33] HOST: TALK TO US ABOUT HOW YOU
[01:00:35] GOT TO THIS WORK AND YOUR OWN BACKGROUND.
[01:00:40] >> I COME OUT OF THE THIRD-PARTY MOVEMENT.
[01:00:44] I GOT INVOLVED IN DEMOCRACY WORK
[01:00:47] AND CREATING ALTERNATIVE POLITICAL PARTIES IN THE LATE
[01:00:51] 1980'S AND EARLY 1990'S.
[01:00:54] I HELPED GET INDEPENDENT ELECTED IN NEW YORK CITY AND WE HAD
[01:00:58] PHENOMENAL EXPERIMENTS AND TREMENDOUS FAILURES.
[01:01:04] AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT --
[01:01:06] WHEN PERRAULT GOT 20 MILLION
[01:01:09] VOTES IN 1992, IT SHOOK THINGS UP. GOOD AND BAD.
[01:01:13] AND CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT IN
[01:01:17] WHICH THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS DO NOT WANT MORE COMPETITION SO THEY DO
[01:01:20] EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO
[01:01:21] MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR NEW
[01:01:26] POLITICAL CONVERSATIONS OR ORGANIZATIONS BUT THE NUMBER OF
[01:01:28] INDEPENDENT VOTERS GOES UP EVERY YEAR.
[01:01:33] MY TEAM CALCULATED EVERY WEEK
[01:01:37] 10,000 AMERICANS SHIPPED THEIR REGISTRATION FROM DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN INDEPENDENT AND THAT
[01:01:42] HAS A LOT TO DO WITH BOTH
[01:01:43] PARTIES' INABILITY TO WORK WITH
[01:01:48] ONE ANOTHER, INABILITY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS AND THE DIVISIVE ROLE
[01:01:51] THEY PLAY IN AMERICAN POLITICAL LIFE.
[01:01:53] HOST: GALLUP RELEASED A POLL
[01:01:57] THIS YEAR THAT FOUND A RECORD
[01:01:59] HIGH OF 45% OF U.S. ADULTS
[01:02:03] IDENTIFIED AS POLITICAL INDEPENDENCE IN 2025.
[01:02:07] YOU TALKED ABOUT WHY YOU THINK THAT NUMBER IS RISING BUT TAKE IT FURTHER.
[01:02:12] YOU SAY 10,000 PEOPLE A WEEK. WHY ARE PEOPLE SO DISSATISFIED
[01:02:17] WITH THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM?
[01:02:23] GUEST: THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION THAT THE RISE OF INDEPENDENCE HAS TO DO WITH PEOPLE BIG
[01:02:26] MODERATES WERE IN THE MIDDLE OR BETWEEN THE PARTIES AND I THINK
[01:02:30] THAT DOES NOT CAPTURE WHAT IS GOING ON. I THINK IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH
[01:02:34] TRUST. I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE
[01:02:37] BEGINNING TO SEE THAT THE
[01:02:41] POLITICAL PARTIES ARE MUCH MORE
[01:02:44] INTERESTED IN THEIR OWN AGENDAS,
[01:02:48] THEIR OWN INTEREST GROUPS, THEIR
[01:02:50] OWN SPECIAL INTERESTS THAN THEY
[01:02:55] ARE IN ADVANCING THE HOPES AND DREAMS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
[01:03:00] AND WE LIVE IN COMPLICATED, DIFFICULT TIMES.
[01:03:03] ISSUES HAVE BEEN FESTERING IN AMERICA FOR A LONG TIME THAT
[01:03:06] DON'T EVER SEEM TO BE SOLVED.
[01:03:08] THE RICHEST, MOST POWERFUL
[01:03:12] COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND YET IT SOMETIMES SEEMS LIKE WE CAN
[01:03:16] ORGANIZE OURSELVES OUT OF A PAPER BAG. SO I THINK THE RISE OF
[01:03:19] INDEPENDENTS, INDEPENDENTS ARE
[01:03:24] IDEOLOGICALLY ALL OVER THE MAP.
[01:03:27] SOME ARE LIBERTARIAN, SOME ARE MODERATE. IT IS A WIDE KALEIDOSCOPE OF
[01:03:31] PEOPLE BUT THEY ARE UNHAPPY WITH
[01:03:36] -- YOU LOOK AT WASHINGTON AND PEOPLE CANNOT WORK TOGETHER.
[01:03:40] PEOPLE CANNOT SOLVE PROBLEMS. PEOPLE CANNOT INNOVATE AND THEY
[01:03:41] SEE PARTIES AS PART OF THE PROBLEM SO THAT IS ONE OF THE
[01:03:45] DRIVING FORCES.
[01:03:48] HOST: 31 STATES ALLOW VOTERS TO
[01:03:54] STATE PARTY AFFILIATION. HERE IS A BREAKDOWN OF PARTY AFFILIATION.
[01:04:01] INDEPENDENCE, 40 5%. DEMOCRATS, 30%.
[01:04:05] REPUBLICANS, 25%. WE KNOW IN EARLY TERMS
[01:04:09] REPUBLICANS HAD THE ADVANTAGE WHEN IT COMES TO REGISTERING VOTERS.
[01:04:13] IT SEEMS TO HAVE CHANGED TO DEMOCRATS IN LATER MONTHS. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM YOUR
[01:04:18] ORGANIZATION NETWORK OF VOTERS
[01:04:22] AND STATES THAT DO NOT ALLOW
[01:04:25] FOLKS TO VOTE IN THE PRIMARY
[01:04:29] UNLESS THEY ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT?
[01:04:32] >> WHEN I FOUND IT OPEN
[01:04:37] PRIMARIES 16 YEARS AGO THE ISSUE
[01:04:37] WAS SO FRESH -- FRIENDSHIP.
[01:04:41] I JOKED IT WAS LIKE FOUNDING A UFO RESEARCH ORGANIZATION.
[01:04:46] NOBODY TOOK IT SERIOUSLY.
[01:04:46] BUT RIGHT NOW YOU TALKED
[01:04:50] INDEPENDENT VOTERS AND THEY WILL TELL YOU IN STATES THAT DON'T
[01:04:53] ALLOW THEM TO VOTE, THAT THAT IS
[01:04:55] A SIGNIFICANT MUTING OF THEIR
[01:04:59] VOICE, A SIGNIFICANT EXCLUSION BECAUSE MOST ELECTIONS ARE
[01:05:03] DECIDED IN THE PRIMARY. 95% OF RACES AT THE STATE
[01:05:06] LEGISLATIVE LEVEL ACROSS THE
[01:05:09] COUNTRY ARE DONE AFTER THE PRIMARY.
[01:05:13] IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO VOTE IN THE PRIMARY, YOU REALLY HAVE NO SAY IN WHO REPRESENTS YOU.
[01:05:20] THE BEST ESTIMATES ARE THAT 15%
[01:05:23] OF CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS WILL
[01:05:26] BE COMPETITIVE IN NOVEMBER. THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE
[01:05:29] KIND OF GERRYMANDERING THAT HAS
[01:05:32] BEEN DONE, THE WAYS IN WHICH THE PARTIES DO NOT COMPETE AGAINST
[01:05:34] EACH OTHER IN SO MANY AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.
[01:05:38] SO INDEPENDENTS -- MANY
[01:05:43] AMERICANS ARE TUNED TO THIS.
[01:05:45] INDEPENDENTS ARE PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THEY HAVE LITTLE CHOICE.
[01:05:53] IN MANY STATES, THEY ARE
[01:05:53] REQUIRED TO JOIN A PRIVATE
[01:05:58] ORGANIZATION TO VOTE IN A PUBLICLY FUNDED ELECTION.
[01:06:04] THAT RUBS PEOPLE THE WRONG WAY AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS IN
[01:06:07] EVERY STATE WE INTRODUCED A BILL AND HAVE A REFERENDUM ON THE
[01:06:12] BALLOT, WE HAVE A LOSS GOING
[01:06:14] FORWARD, INDEPENDENTS ARE
[01:06:16] RAISING THEIR HANDS AND SAYING I WANT TO BE PART OF CHANGING HOW
[01:06:20] WE DO POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY.
[01:06:21] HOST: BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I WANT
[01:06:25] TO INVITE OUR VIEWERS TO JOIN THIS CONVERSATION.
[01:06:27] I HAVE HEARD FROM A LOT OF YOU
[01:06:31] ABOUT INDEPENDENT VOTING AND THE
[01:06:35] PRIMARY SYSTEM. REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE, (202)
[01:06:39] 748-8001. DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE, (202)
[01:06:43] 748-8000. INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
[01:06:50] START: IN NOW SO YOU CAN ASK JOHN ALL THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
[01:06:52] PARTY SYSTEM AND PERHAPS EVEN
[01:06:55] THE LACK OF ABILITY FOR AN EVENT
[01:06:57] OF VOTERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
[01:07:02] ELECTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO THE GENERAL. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGE
[01:07:04] AND HOW YOUR ORGANIZATION IS
[01:07:07] INTRODUCING LEGISLATION BUT
[01:07:10] UNTIL YOU GET THERE, HOW CAN
[01:07:12] MAJOR PARTIES APPEAL TO END UP
[01:07:17] VOTERS?
[01:07:18] GUEST: THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
[01:07:22] I LOVE THAT C-SPAN HAS A SEPARATE LINE FOR INDEPENDENTS
[01:07:25] BECAUSE MANY OF THE NETWORKS
[01:07:28] ACTUALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT
[01:07:30] INDEPENDENTS EXIST.
[01:07:34] THEY RELATE TO THEM AS DEMOCRAT LEANERS AND REPUBLICAN LEANERS,
[01:07:37] WHICH DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT PEOPLE ARE DISSATISFIED
[01:07:41] WITH THE ARRANGEMENT. GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, I
[01:07:44] THINK THE PARTIES ARE CONFLICTED.
[01:07:49] ABOUT RELATING TO INDEPENDENTS
[01:07:53] IN A SERIOUS WAY. THEY WANT OUR VOTES.
[01:07:55] EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THESE
[01:07:57] MIDTERM ELECTIONS WILL BE DECIDED BY INDEPENDENT VOTERS.
[01:08:03] THAT GETS INDEPENDENCE A LOT OF CLOUT AND AUTHORITY, BUT AT THE
[01:08:05] SAME TIME THE PARTIES -- IT IS
[01:08:08] ALMOST LIKE THEY TAKE OUR VOTES AND THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION
[01:08:12] WE DON'T GET A THANK YOU CALL.
[01:08:15] WE DON'T GET AN INVITATION TO BE PART OF A NEW COALITION.
[01:08:19] THEY TAKE OUR VOTES AND GO BACK TO GOVERNING IN A PARTISAN WAY.
[01:08:23] AND THAT IS WHY YOU SEE, IF YOU
[01:08:26] LOOK AT VOTING PATTERNS OVER THE
[01:08:27] LAST 30 YEARS, ARIZONA STATE
[01:08:31] UNIVERSITY HAS DONE SOME BRILLIANT ANALYSIS.
[01:08:35] INDEPENDENTS ARE SWINGING
[01:08:39] WILDLY, GOING FOR OBAMA, TRUMP,
[01:08:41] BIDEN, TRUMP, THE DEMOCRATS, THE REPUBLICANS, BACK AND FORTH
[01:08:45] BECAUSE OUR SYSTEM DOES NOT GIVE
[01:08:47] PEOPLE A HUGE AMOUNT OF CHOICE.
[01:08:50] SO SWINGING IS WHEN INDEPENDENTS
[01:08:55] HAVE BECOME GOOD AT BUT THE PARTIES -- THERE ARE LEADERS IN BOTH PARTIES.
[01:09:00] I THINK OF SOMEONE LIKE ROB SAND RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR IN IOWA.
[01:09:03] HE IS SOMEONE WHO HAS A CULTURAL
[01:09:06] AFFINITY -- HE UNDERSTANDS THAT
[01:09:10] THE MAJORITY OF ISLANDS DO NOT WANT TO JOIN THE DEMOCRATIC
[01:09:13] PARTY AND YET HE IS RUNNING AS A
[01:09:16] DEMOCRAT TO REPRESENT IOWA,
[01:09:18] INCLUDING INDEPENDENTS, AND HE
[01:09:21] CARES ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK AND UNDERSTANDS THAT MANY OF THE
[01:09:25] LAWS AND CUSTOMS OF POLITICS
[01:09:28] EXCLUDE INDEPENDENTS AND HE
[01:09:32] WANTS TO CHANGE THAT.
[01:09:33] BY AND LARGE THE PARTIES WANT
[01:09:36] THE VOTES OF INDEPENDENCE AND THEN TO IGNORE US AFTER THE
[01:09:40] ELECTION AND THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING ON CHANGING THAT.
[01:09:46] HOST: IN A POLL LAST NIGHT, IT
[01:09:51] FOUND 50% OF INDEPENDENT LIKELY
[01:09:52] VOTERS SAY THEY WOULD VOTE FOR A
[01:09:56] DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS WILL 27% FAVORED A
[01:10:00] REPUBLICAN. IS THAT A TREND OR OUTLIER?
[01:10:04] GUEST: IT IS A TREND IN THAT
[01:10:09] INDEPENDENTS DON'T LIKE THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW. THEY DON'T LIKE THE TRUMP
[01:10:13] ADMINISTRATION. THEY DON'T LIKE A LOT OF THE POLICIES AND CRUELTY AND
[01:10:19] DIVISIVENESS THAT HAS BECOME
[01:10:20] NORMALIZED BUT HOW DO YOU
[01:10:24] EXPRESS THAT? WE LIVE IN A SYSTEM IN WHICH THE
[01:10:27] OPPORTUNITIES TO GIVE EXPRESSION
[01:10:28] ARE LIMITED SO PEOPLE SAY, WE
[01:10:31] ARE GOING TO VOTE DEMOCRAT THIS TERM, BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM
[01:10:35] HERE IN THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO WAKE UP AND SAY THE COUNTRY IS GOING BLUE. WE HAD A BLUE WAVE.
[01:10:40] NOW EVERYONE IS WITH US. THEY WILL MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE
[01:10:44] THAT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS MADE, WHICH IS THINKING THAT
[01:10:47] THESE INDEPENDENCE --
[01:10:51] INDEPENDENTS ARE WITH YOUR PARTY WHEN THEY VOTE FOR YOU.
[01:10:55] THEY WANT YOU TO CHANGE THE COUNTRY. THEY ARE LOOKING TO OPEN
[01:10:58] CONVERSATION AND INNOVATION AND
[01:11:01] DEALMAKING TO GET TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WE FACE.
[01:11:06] I THINK THE DEMOCRATS WILL
[01:11:08] LIKELY MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THAT DONALD TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE.
[01:11:14] BUT THE TREND IS THAT
[01:11:16] INDEPENDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR
[01:11:20] WAYS TO IMPACT AND ONE OF THE
[01:11:23] NEW DEVELOPMENT THIS YEAR IS
[01:11:26] THAT THERE ARE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES RUNNING.
[01:11:29] AND I REMEMBER BACK IN THE 1990'S INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES
[01:11:32] TENDED TO BE FRINGE.
[01:11:36] THEY WERE RUNNING TO MAKE A POINT. OR BRING AN ISSUE TO THE TABLE.
[01:11:43] NOW, PEOPLE LIKE SETH BODNAR AND
[01:11:46] DAN OSBORNE, THESE ARE
[01:11:50] WELL-FUNDED, SERIOUS INDEPENDENTS RUNNING NOT TO GET
[01:11:53] TO WASHINGTON AND THEN JOIN TEAM
[01:11:56] READ OR TEAM BLUE BUT TO CREATE
[01:11:59] AN INDEPENDENT NEXUS, A CAUCUS,
[01:12:02] A PLACE WHERE EVERY ISSUE DOES
[01:12:07] NOT HAVE TO BE TURNED INTO A POLITICAL FOOTBALL.
[01:12:11] THAT PITS RED AGAINST BLUE.
[01:12:14] AND IT IS A TOUGH BATTLE. BEING AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE
[01:12:18] IS NO EASY FEAT.
[01:12:18] REQUIRES A LOT BUT THERE IS
[01:12:23] SERIOUS EFFORT UNDERWAY TO BUST UP THE BIPARTISAN CONTROL
[01:12:28] CONGRESS AND I HOPE THIS IS THE YEAR WE CAN BREAK THROUGH.
[01:12:35] HOST: GIVEN THE POWER OF THE INVENTIVE OWNER AND THE GROWING
[01:12:39] NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS, DO YOU THINK THAT THESE ELECTION
[01:12:41] FOR THE HOUSE -- IS THIS IN THE
[01:12:47] HANDS OF THE INDEPENDENT PARTY?
[01:12:50] GUEST: ABSOLUTELY.
[01:12:53] NUMBERS DO NOT LIVE. OPEN A PAPER THERE WILL BE AN
[01:12:56] ARTICLE ABOUT INDEPENDENT VOTERS
[01:12:58] , ABOUT LATINO VOTERS COME ABOUT
[01:13:00] YOUNG VOTERS, WHICH IS IN MANY
[01:13:04] CASES AN OVERLAPPING PHENOMENON. THE LARGEST AND FASTEST-GROWING
[01:13:07] AND MOST DYNAMIC SEGMENT OF THE
[01:13:10] ELECTORATE, YOUNG PEOPLE,
[01:13:12] LATINOS, INDEPENDENTS, ARE SURGING.
[01:13:16] THEIR GROWTH IS EXPONENTIAL AND WE HAVE THE NUMBERS BUT WE DO
[01:13:19] NOT HAVE THE NARRATIVE. EVEN THE LANGUAGE WE USE -- THINK ABOUT THIS.
[01:13:24] WE TALK ABOUT WHICH PARTY IS
[01:13:26] GOING TO CONTROL CONGRESS.
[01:13:31] THAT IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION.
[01:13:33] THAT IS NOT THE WAY DEMOCRACY IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.
[01:13:36] THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA ARE SUPPOSED TO ELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO WASHINGTON TO
[01:13:39] REPRESENT US AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS
[01:13:43] DRIVING THE RISE OF INDEPENDENTS
[01:13:46] , THAT PEOPLE DO NOT FEEL LIKE THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE
[01:13:49] REPRESENTING THEM COMMIT THEIR
[01:13:53] COMMUNITIES, THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. IF FEEL LIKE THEY ARE
[01:13:56] REPRESENTING VARIOUS INTERESTS
[01:14:00] THAT ARE DRIVING VARIOUS THINGS
[01:14:02] THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND AND WERE
[01:14:04] NOT ASKED ABOUT SO INDEPENDENTS
[01:14:08] ARE GOING TO DECIDE THE ELECTION. NO QUESTION.
[01:14:11] THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET OUT OF IT?
[01:14:15] HOST: LET'S TURN TO PHONE CALLS.
[01:14:21] RILEY FROM ROCHESTER, MINNESOTA, AN INDEPENDENT CALLER, GOOD MORNING.
[01:14:26] CALLER: HELLO. OK.
[01:14:31] MY QUESTION IS -- I HAVE ALWAYS
[01:14:35] LIVED IN OPEN PRIMARY STATES EXCEPT KANSAS AND WHEN I LIVED
[01:14:38] IN KANSAS I WAS REGISTERED FOR
[01:14:42] THE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY BEFORE THE PRIMARY SO I COULD VOTE.
[01:14:46] WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT, DECIDING WHICH PRIMARY AND
[01:14:52] REGISTERING AND THEN THE NEXT
[01:14:53] ELECTION I WOULD SIGN UP WITH
[01:14:59] EITHER REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.
[01:14:59] CAN YOU TELL ME -- THAT IS ONE
[01:15:03] STEP TOWARD GETTING AN OPEN PRIMARY. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF THAT?
[01:15:08] GUEST: IT IS ENTERPRISING.
[01:15:12] IT IS CREATIVE. I SPEAK TO PEOPLE EVERY WE COULD
[01:15:15] DO THAT IN FLORIDA AND NEW YORK. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES MANY
[01:15:19] STATES -- THEY REQUIRE THAT YOU
[01:15:22] REREGISTER AND JOIN A PARTY
[01:15:25] MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION, OFTEN BEFORE CANDIDATES HAVE EVEN ANNOUNCED.
[01:15:30] I THINK ALSO GROWING NUMBERS OF
[01:15:33] PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY INDEPENDENT
[01:15:36] BUT NOT LIMITED TO INDEPENDENTS,
[01:15:39] WANT TO VOTE FOR THE BEST CANDIDATE IN THE PRIMARY.
[01:15:44] THEY WANT TO BUT FOR A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN OR INDEPENDENT OR THIRD-PARTY IN PART OF THE
[01:15:47] PARTISAN BALLOT SYSTEM REQUIRES
[01:15:50] THAT YOU ONLY CHOOSE AMONG
[01:15:53] DEMOCRATS AND ONLY CHOOSE AMONG THE REPUBLICANS AND I THINK THAT
[01:15:56] IS -- THAT WORKED 50 YEARS AGO WHEN MOST AMERICANS WERE
[01:16:00] COMFORTABLE IN A POLITICAL PARTY BUT I THINK IT IS OUT OF STEP
[01:16:04] WITH WHERE PEOPLE ARE BUT CERTAINLY WHAT YOU ARE
[01:16:05] DESCRIBING IS WAYS IN WHICH WE
[01:16:09] HAVE HAD TO FIND WORKAROUNDS AND THAT REQUIRES REREGISTERING AND
[01:16:13] DOING THIS AND DOING THAT JUST TO BE ABLE TO VOTE IN AN
[01:16:17] ELECTION THAT OUR TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR AND I DO NOT THINK THAT IS RIGHT.
[01:16:21] HOST: ANGELA FROM OHIO, GOOD
[01:16:26] MORNING. YOU ARE ON.
[01:16:29] CALLER: OK.
[01:16:33] I WAS GOING TO SCHOOL. I WAS A SINGLE MOTHER.
[01:16:37] I STARTED DANCING IN 2004 IN ILLINOIS AND I WAS BECOMING
[01:16:40] SUCCESSFUL AT REAL ESTATE AND I
[01:16:46] NEEDED -- THIS MAN WHO OWNED A
[01:16:47] TRUCKING COMPANY, HE WAS A
[01:16:51] REPUBLICAN, BUT THE PEOPLE IN
[01:16:53] THE CLUB AND I WAS ALWAYS INDEPENDENT.
[01:16:58] I DO NOT KNOW WHICH SIDE. I WAS 34.
[01:17:01] BUT I FEEL LIKE THE WHOLE THING
[01:17:04] -- THEY PUT ON A SHOW LIKE THEY
[01:17:07] ARE PLAYING THAT SONG, LIVING
[01:17:13] CALLER. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A NAME.
[01:17:17] BUT IT IS JUST CRAZY.
[01:17:21] THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVE A POINT.
[01:17:28] THAT IT IS NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU.
[01:17:31] I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE EVER HEARD THAT SONG.
[01:17:33] GUEST: I REMEMBER THE JOHN
[01:17:37] KENNEDY QUOTE. I DON'T THINK I KNOW THE SONG.
[01:17:40] CALLER: I NEVER VOTED BUT I WAS
[01:17:43] ALWAYS TRYING TO -- OK? WHEN I GOT OLDER AND MORE
[01:17:48] MATURE, I WILL TRY TO BE
[01:17:49] CONSERVATIVE BUT IT IS LIKE I AM
[01:17:52] BEING STOCKED AND WHAT PARTY HAS
[01:17:56] THE POWER TO DO THIS TO ME?
[01:17:58] GUEST: I MIGHT BE READING
[01:18:02] BETWEEN THE LINES BUT I THINK SOMETHING YOU ARE EXPRESSING IS
[01:18:06] COMMON, WHICH IS I THINK OUR PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS USED TO
[01:18:10] HAVE AN EXPERIENCE THAT POLITICAL PARTIES WERE
[01:18:14] CULTURALLY AND POLITICALLY PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
[01:18:18] THERE WERE NOT SOME FOREIGN ENTITY THAT WAS MAYBE LEADING US.
[01:18:22] THEY WERE PART OF HOW AMERICANS GIVE EXPRESSION TO OUR HOPES AND
[01:18:26] DREAMS AND CONCERNS AND ISSUES.
[01:18:30] MORE AND MORE AMERICANS HAVE THE
[01:18:32] EXPERIENCE THAT THE PARTIES ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR US. THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR
[01:18:37] THEMSELVES, FOR WEALTHY DONORS,
[01:18:40] FOR SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, FOR ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT
[01:18:43] US AND I THINK THAT IS CONFUSING
[01:18:46] AND DISORIENTING AND UPSETTING
[01:18:49] SO I DON'T THINK YOU ARE -- I MIGHT BE READING BETWEEN THE
[01:18:53] LINES OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT I THINK THAT EXPERIENCE OF
[01:18:57] CONFUSION IS VERY COMMON.
[01:18:59] HOST: BOB FROM NEW YORK.
[01:19:04] >> GOOD MORNING.
[01:19:09] UNLESS YOU'RE ARE GOING TO VOTE
[01:19:11] STRAIGHT PARTY, LIKE REPUBLICAN
[01:19:14] PARTY OR STRAIGHT DEMOCRAT PARTY
[01:19:16] AND YOU ARE NOT LOOKING OUT
[01:19:19] PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING BUT YOU DON'T PICK LIKE THAT --
[01:19:25] INDEPENDENTS PICK A LITTLE FROM HERE AND A LITTLE FROM THERE.
[01:19:28] BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO
[01:19:32] REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THAT IS MY POINT.
[01:19:38] SO I'M -- AS A DEMOCRAT, I HAVE
[01:19:44] TO LOOK AT WHO IS RUNNING AND IF
[01:19:49] I SEE SOMEBODY IN THE
[01:19:54] REPUBLICANS THAT I DO LIKE OR MAYBE A CERTAIN PARTY RUNNING
[01:19:57] FOR GOVERNOR I MIGHT LIKE, I MIGHT GO WITH THEM.
[01:20:00] IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR ME TO
[01:20:05] REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THAT IS MY POINT.
[01:20:10] INDEPENDENTS RIGHT NOW ARE NOT
[01:20:11] STRONG ENOUGH AS A PARTY TO SAY
[01:20:14] IF YOU DON'T -- I DON'T CARE IF
[01:20:17] YOU GIVE ME THANKS. ALL I WANT YOU TO DO IS DO YOUR JOB.
[01:20:22] THAT IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO.
[01:20:24] RIGHT NOW, IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
[01:20:31] THEY HAD A CHANCE TO GET RID OF
[01:20:34] HEGSETH BUT THE REPUBLICANS WANT
[01:20:39] TO PUT THAT ON THE FLOOR COULD NOT PUT THAT ON THE FLOOR
[01:20:41] BECAUSE JOHNSON IS A BACKER OF
[01:20:45] DONALD TRUMP SO HE TOOK THE WHOLE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND LEFT.
[01:20:47] HOST: LET'S LET JOHN GET IN AND
[01:20:51] ANSWER SOME OF THIS.
[01:20:55] GUEST: BOB IS RIGHT.
[01:20:59] INDEPENDENTS DO NOT HAVE THE POWER. WE ARE NOT A PARTY.
[01:21:02] WE ARE A MOVEMENT. WE ARE NOT ORGANIZED. WE DO NOT HAVE THE LEVEL OF
[01:21:05] INFRASTRUCTURE WE NEED.
[01:21:09] BUT WE ARE GROWING AND FINDING OUR FOOTING.
[01:21:12] I THINK YOU ARE 100% RIGHT THAT
[01:21:14] THE THANKS WE NEED IS NOT THE
[01:21:18] TYPICAL POLITICAL THINGS WHERE YOU GET SOME PAYOFF FOR YOU GET ACCESS WERE YOUR PEOPLE.
[01:21:22] WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR THAT AND
[01:21:24] I THINK THAT WOULD BE JUST IN
[01:21:27] SOME WAYS KEEPING THE PROBLEM GOING.
[01:21:29] WE ARE LOOKING FOR OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO REPRESENT US,
[01:21:33] TO DO THEIR JOBS. YOU ARE RIGHT.
[01:21:36] THAT IS WHAT IS MISSING IN SO MUCH OF AMERICAN POLITICS,
[01:21:40] PARTICULARLY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
[01:21:43] THE SENSE THAT WE SEND PEOPLE TO WASHINGTON TO REPRESENT US AND DO THEIR JOBS BECAUSE THAT IS
[01:21:47] NOT WHAT THEY DO. SO I SHARE YOUR FRUSTRATION.
[01:21:53] HOST: SUSAN FROM FLORIDA,
[01:21:57] INDEPENDENT, GOOD MORNING.
[01:22:02] CALLER: WHAT CAN WE DO?
[01:22:06] DO WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF PLAN? I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO BE REGISTERED ONE PARTY OR ANOTHER
[01:22:10] AND I'M REALLY NOT.
[01:22:13] RIGHT NOW I AM REGISTERED AS A DEMOCRAT AND I HAVE BEEN GOING
[01:22:16] TO PROTEST FOR NO KINGS.
[01:22:22] THERE ARE FIGHTS WITHIN THE
[01:22:23] DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THEY ARE
[01:22:29] EITHER AT ONE EXTREME OR THE OTHER.
[01:22:31] IT IS SO SAD.
[01:22:36] I AM A CENTRIST.
[01:22:40] I'M LIKE YOU. I LOOK AT THE PERSON AND THEIR
[01:22:44] INTEGRITY.
[01:22:45] DO THEY HAVE IDEAS THEY CAN PUT FORWARD THAT WILL HELP?
[01:22:50] ME. I DON'T CARE ABOUT HELPING THE PARTY.
[01:22:56] I AM TIRED OF GETTING 15 TEXTS
[01:22:58] IN AN HOUR ASKING FOR FIVE
[01:23:03] DOLLARS, $10, ONE DOLLAR. I AM SICK OF IT.
[01:23:07] I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT HELPING MY PARTY.
[01:23:11] I WANT SOMEBODY TO HELP ME.
[01:23:16] I AM 70 YEARS OLD. SOMEBODY HELP ME.
[01:23:19] I AM TIRED OF PAYING FIVE
[01:23:20] DOLLARS FOR A GALLON OF GASOLINE
[01:23:24] OR $4.15 PER GALLON OF GASOLINE.
[01:23:27] OR THREE DOLLARS FOR EGGS.
[01:23:32] SOMEBODY HELP ME. I'M TIRED OF IT.
[01:23:34] HOST: LET'S LET JOHN GET IN AN
[01:23:38] ANSWER.
[01:23:39] GUEST: THERE IS NO MAGIC WAND.
[01:23:44] THERE IS NO LET ME GIVE YOU SOMETHING QUICK AND EASY THAT
[01:23:47] WILL SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS. IT WILL NOT.
[01:23:50] WE ARE IN A PICKLE AS A COUNTRY.
[01:23:52] WE HAVE MORE AND MORE OF A
[01:23:55] GOVERNMENT THAT DOES NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
[01:23:59] THEY DON'T LISTEN.
[01:24:00] AND I THINK, TO YOUR QUESTION,
[01:24:03] WHAT CAN WE DO, I WILL BE CONCRETE.
[01:24:07] WE PASSED AND OPEN PRIMARIES REFERENDUM IN FLORIDA.
[01:24:10] WE DID NOT PASS IT. WE GOT 57% OF THE BOAT IN 2020,
[01:24:15] WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH. WE GOT MORE VOTES THAN TRUMP OR
[01:24:18] BIDEN BUT WE LOST. WE ARE GETTING LEGISLATION INTRODUCED.
[01:24:22] NEXT YEAR. WE WILL BE FIGHTING HARD FOR
[01:24:26] THAT.
[01:24:27] AND PEOPLE SAY OPEN PRIMARIES IS
[01:24:32] BOILING THE OCEAN COME UP A DROP OF THE BUCKET. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE?
[01:24:36] I WILL TELL YOU. IT WILL UNLEASH INDEPENDENT
[01:24:39] VOTERS INTO THE FIRST ROUND OF
[01:24:43] THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM WHERE ALL THE DECISIONS ARE MADE.
[01:24:46] ALL THE HARD-CORE DEMOCRATS AND
[01:24:51] REPUBLICANS, THAT IS WHO VOTES IN THE PRIMARIES.
[01:24:54] AND WE ARE GOING TO BRING INDEPENDENTS INTO THEIR AND
[01:24:59] CHANGE THE CONVERSATION SO DON'T
[01:25:01] DESPAIR AND WHEN WE GET THAT BILL INTRODUCED MAKE SURE YOU
[01:25:04] FIND A WAY TO TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS THAT THIS
[01:25:07] IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR FLORIDA AND FOR THE COUNTRY.
[01:25:11] HOST: CARL FROM MARYLAND, A REPUBLICAN.
[01:25:16] CALLER: I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
[01:25:19] FIRST IS WHAT EFFORTS ARE
[01:25:24] UNDERWAY IN MARYLAND TO
[01:25:25] ESTABLISH AN OPEN PRIMARY?
[01:25:29] SECOND, ONCE THESE INDEPENDENTS
[01:25:32] GET TO WASHINGTON, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THEY HAVE TO CAUCUS WITH THE REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS.
[01:25:38] I WAS WONDERING, WHAT YOUR ORGANIZATION IS DOING LEGISLATION WISE OR LOBBYING
[01:25:43] WISE TO SAY THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD --
[01:25:47] BERNIE SANDERS IDENTIFIES AS AN INDEPENDENT AND YET HE IS
[01:25:52] RUNNING IN THE DEMOCRATIC
[01:25:55] PRESIDENT FOR PRIMARIES, CAUCUSING WITH THE DEMOCRATS.
[01:25:59] IN MY OPINION, HE IS REALLY DEMOCRATS ARE CALLING HIM AN INDEPENDENT IS KIND OF RIDICULOUS.
[01:26:02] GUEST: GREAT QUESTIONS.
[01:26:06] LET ME START WITH YOUR SECOND ONE.
[01:26:09] THERE IS NO RULE THAT YOU HAVE TO CAUCUS WITH THE DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS.
[01:26:13] HIS HONORS THOSE -- IT IS ONE OF
[01:26:16] THOSE MYTHS. THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE DOES NOT EVEN HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.
[01:26:20] IN FACT, ALL THE MAJOR
[01:26:23] INDEPENDENTS RUNNING THIS YEAR ARE SAYING IF WE GET TO
[01:26:27] WASHINGTON, WE ARE NOT CAUCUSING WITH EITHER PARTY. WE WILL CREATE AN INDEPENDENT
[01:26:31] CAUCUS. THE TWO PARTIES WHO RUN THE INSTITUTION COULD SAY, THEN YOU
[01:26:35] DON'T GET TO BE ON COMMITTEES,
[01:26:38] TO GET ALL THE PERKS OF BEING ON TEAM RED OR BLUE, BUT THEY WILL
[01:26:41] HAVE TO DO THAT IN FRONT OF THE
[01:26:45] AMERICAN PEOPLE. THEY WILL HAVE TO SHOW THEIR CARDS.
[01:26:48] AND SAY PARTY CONTROL IS MORE
[01:26:52] IMPORTANT THAN DOING THE PEOPLES BUSINESS.
[01:26:55] I THINK ONE OF THE GOALS OF AN INDEPENDENT CAUCUS IS TO BRING
[01:26:59] THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN ON THAT
[01:27:03] CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT.
[01:27:05] MARYLAND IS A HOTSPOT FOR OPEN PRIMARIES RIGHT NOW.
[01:27:09] WE ARE WORKING WITH A FORMER
[01:27:10] LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, OUR LEAD
[01:27:15] ATTORNEY APPEARED WE HAVE A STATE LAWSUIT CHALLENGING THE
[01:27:17] FACT THAT THE MARYLAND STATE
[01:27:20] CONSTITUTION SAYS EVERY CITIZEN IS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION BUT A MILLION A
[01:27:24] DEPENDENT VOTERS ARE SHUT OUT OF THE PRIMARIES IN MARYLAND AND WE
[01:27:29] ARE SAYING IF THE PARTIES WANT TO DO THAT THEN WHY IS THE
[01:27:32] PUBLIC PAYING FOR IT? LET THE PARTIES DO IT ON THEIR OWN TIME AND THEIR OWN DIME.
[01:27:38] WE ARE WORKING WITH A DELEGATE,
[01:27:42] A DEMOCRAT FROM THE BALTIMORE
[01:27:43] AREA, WHO HAS LEGISLATION THAT
[01:27:47] ALLOWS INDEPENDENTS TO SIMPLY BE
[01:27:50] ABLE TO PICK A BALLOT ON PRIMARY DAY.
[01:27:54] NOT THE IDEAL SOLUTION BUT A BIG STEP FORWARD.
[01:27:58] WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF MEDIA ABOUT THIS.
[01:28:02] WE HAVE GOVERNOR MOORE ON THE HOTSPOT ABOUT THIS.
[01:28:05] HE TALKED ABOUT HIS SUPPORT FOR
[01:28:06] OPEN PRIMARIES AND HIS STAFF
[01:28:09] REELED HIM IN AND SAID THE
[01:28:13] OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS TO BE
[01:28:15] AGAINST OPEN PRIMARIES SO THAT WAS A FUN CONTROVERSY.
[01:28:19] BUT WE ARE PUTTING PRESSURE ON
[01:28:23] THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
[01:28:24] AND GOVERNOR AND COURTS TO SAY
[01:28:28] THERE ARE A MILLION A DEPENDENT
[01:28:31] -- INDEPENDENTS IN MARYLAND TO
[01:28:35] HAVE NO VOICE AND THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
[01:28:38] HOST: YOUR ORGANIZATION REPORTS
[01:28:42] MORE THAN 17 MILLION INDEPENDENTS WERE SHUT OUT OF
[01:28:48] TAXPAYER PRIMARIES. CLOSED PRIMARIES IS SOMETHING PEOPLE CALL THEM.
[01:28:52] CAN YOU TALK ABOUT DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN EFFORTS TO CLOSE PRIMARIES AND RESTRICT PUBLIC
[01:28:57] INPUT, FROM GOP LAWSUITS IN
[01:28:59] TEXAS TO DEMOCRATS DEFENDING THE
[01:29:01] CLOSE PARTY SYSTEM IN NEW YORK?
[01:29:05] TALK ABOUT HOW UBIQUITOUS IT IS.
[01:29:12] GUEST: WHEN THEY THINGS ABOUT OPEN PRIMARIES IS IT IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT ONE PARTY IS FOR THE OTHER IS AGAINST.
[01:29:17] YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS OPPOSING IT AND DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
[01:29:21] SUPPORTING IT AND I THINK THAT
[01:29:25] THE WAY I BEST UNDERSTAND THE UPTICK IN EFFORTS TO CLOSE THE
[01:29:28] PRIMARIES IS THAT GERRYMANDERING IS NOW COMPLETE.
[01:29:34] THEY HAVE GERRYMANDERED THE COUNTRY. ONCE YOU HAVE DONE THAT, ONCE
[01:29:38] GENERAL ELECTION COMPETITION HAS BEEN TAMPED DOWN, THOUGH NOT
[01:29:41] PERFECTLY, CONTROL THE
[01:29:48] IN TEXAS AND SOUTH CAROLINA AND ALABAMA, YOU HAVE THE G.O.P.
[01:29:51] SAYING ENOUGH OF THIS, LETTING ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO VOTE IN THE
[01:29:54] REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, WE'VE GOT TO
[01:29:56] GET CONTROL OF THAT, AND THEY
[01:29:58] ARE FILING LAWSUITS AND LEGISLATION.
[01:30:01] LAWSUITS IN TEXAS AND IN SOUTH CAROLINA, LEGISLATION IN
[01:30:05] ALABAMA, TO GET -- TO FORCE
[01:30:07] VOTERS TO JOIN A PARTY BEFORE
[01:30:10] THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN A PRIMARY. NOT TO BE OUTDONE, THE DEMOCRATS
[01:30:14] ARE FIERCELY FIGHTING OPEN
[01:30:17] PRIMARIES IN NEW YORK CITY AND
[01:30:18] NEW YORK STATE, AND IN
[01:30:22] CALIFORNIA WHERE THEY'VE HAD A
[01:30:25] NON-PARTISAN TOP TWO PRIMARY, WHICH HAS WORKED VERY WELL FOR
[01:30:28] THE LAST 16 YEARS, THE
[01:30:32] DEMOCRATIC PARTY -- SOME FACTIONS WITHIN IT ARE STARTING
[01:30:34] A BALLOT REFERENDUM TO OVERTURN IT, TO GO BACK TO THE DAYS WHEN
[01:30:38] INDEPENDENT VOTERS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE IN PRIMARIES.
[01:30:41] WHAT'S DRIVING THAT?
[01:30:45] PARTIES DON'T LIKE COMPETITION.
[01:30:47] THEY WANT LOW TURNOUT,
[01:30:51] MEMBERS-ONLY PRIMARIES, THAT THEY'RE MORE CONTROLLABLE,
[01:30:54] THEY'RE CHEAPER. IT GIVES PARTY LEADERSHIP AND
[01:30:58] ACTIVISTS MORE CLOUT. WHEN YOU OPEN THE DOORS AND LET
[01:31:01] THE PEOPLE IN, IT MAKES LIFE
[01:31:05] MORE DIFFICULT FOR PARTY
[01:31:09] INSIDERS.
[01:31:10] I WOULD JUST ADD, OPENING THE
[01:31:13] PRIMARIES IS ONLY STEP ONE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE TAKING
[01:31:16] VERY SERIOUSLY -- AND THERE ARE SOME REALLY CREATIVE WORK BEING
[01:31:21] DONE ON THIS AROUND THE COUNTRY -- IS THAT EVEN IN STATES WHERE THEY LET EVERYBODY
[01:31:24] VOTE, MOST PEOPLE DON'T VOTE IN
[01:31:28] PRIMARIES BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL BEEN TAUGHT THAT THE REAL
[01:31:31] ELECTION IS IN NOVEMBER. THE PRIMARY IS WHERE THE
[01:31:35] FANATICS VOTE, THE REAL HARD CORE PEOPLE VOTE. I AM A REGULAR PERSON.
[01:31:38] I VOTE IN NOVEMBER.
[01:31:39] THAT'S A CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING
[01:31:43] THAT'S VERY DEEP, AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT.
[01:31:46] WE HAVE TO EDUCATE THE AMERICAN
[01:31:48] PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY THE
[01:31:51] DECISIONS ABOUT WHO REPRESENTS YOU, THAT'S MADE IN APRIL OR MAY
[01:31:55] OR JUNE IN THE PRIMARY.
[01:31:58] IN EIGHT OUT OF 10 ELECTIONS,
[01:32:01] ROUND ONE IS WHERE ALL THE
[01:32:03] ACTION IS, AND SO WE CAN'T JUST FOCUS ON CHANGING THE LAW.
[01:32:06] WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE
[01:32:10] IMPORTANCE OF VOTING IN PRIMARIES.
[01:32:11] HOST: WE HAVE A COUPLE CALLS IN
[01:32:14] THE BANK HERE, BUT I WANT TO ASK
[01:32:16] YOU SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES YOU
[01:32:20] MENTIONED EARLIER. BUT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE
[01:32:22] SOMETHING ACTUALLY INTERESTING
[01:32:25] THIS MIDTERM ELECTION THAT THEY DIDN'T DO LAST TIME, WHICH IS
[01:32:28] THAT THEY'VE CLEARED THE WAY FOR
[01:32:31] INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES TO CHALLENGE REPUBLICAN SENATORS IN
[01:32:34] A NUMBER OF STATES, INCLUDING
[01:32:37] NEBRASKA, SOUTH DAKOTA, AND
[01:32:40] IDAHO, SAYING THAT AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE IS
[01:32:42] COMPETITIVE -- EXCUSE ME, AND AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE IS
[01:32:45] COMPETITIVE IN MONTANA'S OPEN G.O.P. SENATE RACE.
[01:32:48] WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
[01:32:51] DEMOCRATS LED BY CHUCK SCHUMER
[01:32:53] KIND OF MOVING OR ALLOWING
[01:32:56] INDEPENDENTS TO RUN IN RACES
[01:33:00] THAT MAYBE ANOTHER TIME THEY
[01:33:01] WOULD HAVE WANTED DEMOCRATS TO
[01:33:04] BE THAT CANDIDATE IN?
[01:33:10] GUEST: WELL, THANK YOU, CHUCK, FOR LETTING US RUN FOR OFFICE.
[01:33:12] THAT'S SO GOOD OF YOU.
[01:33:15] NO, BUT -- NOT TO BE SNARKY, I
[01:33:18] THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS
[01:33:20] THAT'S CHANGED IN THE LAST 20
[01:33:23] YEARS IS THAT IT USED TO BE THAT
[01:33:28] THERE WERE REPUBLICAN STRONG
[01:33:31] HOLDS AND DEMOCRATIC STRONGHOLDS
[01:33:35] BUT THAT BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES PRETTY MUCH COMPETED EVERYWHERE
[01:33:39] IN THE COUNTRY, AND THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE.
[01:33:43] TOM DASCHLE REPRESENTED SOUTH DAKOTA.
[01:33:46] HE WAS THE MAJORITY LEADER 20 YEARS AGO.
[01:33:49] THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF SOUTH
[01:33:51] DAKOTA IS KIND OF LIKE THE GREEN PARTY.
[01:33:54] THEY BARELY EXIST. THERE ARE SO MANY PARTS OF THE
[01:33:58] COUNTRY WHERE THERE'S ONLY ONE
[01:34:01] POLITICAL PARTY. SO THE STATES WHERE INDEPENDENTS
[01:34:05] ARE GETTING THE MOST TRACTION,
[01:34:08] NEBRASKA, SOUTH DAKOTA, IDAHO, MONTANA, ARE STATES IN WHICH THE
[01:34:13] DEMOCRATIC PARTY BRAND IS REALLY
[01:34:17] IN THE TOILET.
[01:34:19] SO ON THE ONE HAND, I UNDERSTAND
[01:34:22] THEIR SPIN, LIKE THEY'RE
[01:34:25] GRACIOUSLY STEPPING ASIDE. BUT I THINK IT'S MORE ACCURATE
[01:34:28] TO SAY THEY REALIZE THAT THE
[01:34:30] PEOPLE IN THOSE STATES DON'T TRUST THEM.
[01:34:34] THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES. THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT THE
[01:34:37] REPUBLICANS ARE DOING, BUT THE
[01:34:39] DEMOCRATS ARE NOT TO THEIR LIKING AND INDEPENDENT
[01:34:43] CANDIDATES HAVE EMERGED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND ADVANCE THAT AND DEVELOP THAT.
[01:34:46] WE WILL SEE HOW FAR WE GET THIS YEAR.
[01:34:48] BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT THE
[01:34:51] DEMOCRATS ARE STRONG IN SOUTH
[01:34:53] DAKOTA AND MONTANA AND THEY'RE GRACIOUSLY STEPPING ASIDE.
[01:34:57] I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. HOST: IS THERE A COMMON THEME
[01:35:00] THAT SOME OF THESE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES ARE RUNNING ON?
[01:35:04] OBVIOUSLY, YES, THE DEMOCRATIC
[01:35:06] PARTY LARGELY IN POLLING WE HAVE
[01:35:09] SEEN HAS A PRETTY NEGATIVE APPROVAL RATE.
[01:35:12] I BELIEVE IT'S LOWER THAN THE
[01:35:14] PRESIDENT'S, BUT WHAT DO YOU SEE
[01:35:18] THESE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES FROM NEBRASKA, FROM SOUTH
[01:35:20] DAKOTA, FROM IDAHO, FROM MONTANA
[01:35:23] RUNNING ON THAT FEELS DIFFERENT
[01:35:25] THAN A TRADITIONAL DEMOCRAT?
[01:35:29] GUEST: YEAH, I THINK THAT THE
[01:35:32] BIG DIFFERENCE IF YOU LISTEN TO
[01:35:34] THEM VERY CAREFULLY IS THAT
[01:35:36] THEY'RE NOT JUST SAYING HERE'S
[01:35:39] MY IDEAS, HERE'S MY IDEOLOGY,
[01:35:44] HERE'S MY PROGRAMS THAT I WANT TO PURSUE.
[01:35:47] WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS IN DIFFERENT WAYS, IN DIFFERENT
[01:35:51] VOICES, AND I THINK THIS IS A REAL STRENGTH, THEY'RE SAYING
[01:35:55] OUR SYSTEM OF REPRESENTATION IS NOT WORKING.
[01:35:57] IT'S BEEN HIJACKED. IT'S BEEN CO-OPTED.
[01:36:01] IT'S BEEN CORRUPTED. WE, THE PEOPLE, HAVE TO TAKE
[01:36:04] BACK THE LEVERS OF GOVERNMENT.
[01:36:05] WE HAVE TO -- SO I AM GOING TO
[01:36:09] WASHINGTON NOT BECAUSE I AM THE MOST BRILLIANT PERSON WITH THE
[01:36:12] BESS IDEAS, BUT I AM GOING TO REPRESENT A VOICE THAT'S BEEN
[01:36:15] SHUT OUT OF THE CONVERSATION.
[01:36:19] THE VOICE IS, WE AMERICANS HAVE
[01:36:21] TO WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE FACE.
[01:36:24] WE HAVE TO BRING LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE TOGETHER INSTEAD OF
[01:36:27] PITTING THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER LIKE THEY'RE MORTAL ENEMIES.
[01:36:31] HE THINK ALL OF THESE -- I THINK ALL OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE
[01:36:34] FINDING CREATIVE WAYS TO
[01:36:37] ARTICULATE, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE GAME.
[01:36:39] WE CAN'T JUST ELECT ME AND I WILL BE A BETTER REPRESENTATIVE.
[01:36:43] WE HAVE TO CHANGE THIS GAME
[01:36:44] BECAUSE THIS GAME IS REALLY
[01:36:47] HURTING OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR STATES, AND OUR COUNTRY. HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[01:36:51] JEFFREY FROM GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, A DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING, JEFFREY.
[01:36:55] CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[01:36:58] GUEST: GOOD MORNING, SIR. CALLER: YES, HELLO?
[01:37:01] HOST: YOU ARE ON THE LINE. WE CAN HEAR YOU. CALLER: OK, THANK YOU.
[01:37:05] THANK YOU.
[01:37:06] WHEN ARE THE PARTIES GOING TO
[01:37:11] GET THE DIRTY MONEY AND GET THE
[01:37:12] MONEY OUT OF POLITICS?
[01:37:17] POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES ARE
[01:37:20] MORE INTERESTED IN CORPORATE
[01:37:22] MONEY AND LESS INTERESTED IN THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHO VOTED
[01:37:26] THEM IN TO WORK FOR THEM.
[01:37:29] THE INDEPENDENTS ARE STARTING TO
[01:37:31] REALLY LOOK MORE INTERESTING AS
[01:37:37] ANOTHER CANDIDATE TO FOLLOW, ANOTHER THIRD PARTY.
[01:37:40] HOW LONG WILL IT BE BEFORE --
[01:37:44] HOW MANY CYCLES WILL IT BE BEFORE THE INDEPENDENTS HAVE ANY STRENGTH?
[01:37:47] I AM A DIE-HARD DEMOCRAT, AND IT
[01:37:51] BOTHERS ME THAT THE CORPORATE
[01:37:55] MONEY HAS RUN SO RAMPANT AND THAT THE CORPORATIONS ARE
[01:37:59] PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE PARTIES.
[01:38:02] HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[01:38:03] LET'S LET JOHN JUMP IN THERE.
[01:38:06] GUEST: YEAH, I MEAN, I WISH I HAD A TIMETABLE.
[01:38:10] I REALLY DO, JEFFREY. I DON'T.
[01:38:13] IT'S A STRUGGLE.
[01:38:15] I HAVE BEEN A POLITICAL ACTIVIST IN THE INDEPENDENT REFORM ARENA
[01:38:18] FOR 35 YEARS AND WE HAVE HAD SOME REAL FORWARD STEPS, AND
[01:38:22] THEN WE HAVE GOTTEN PUNCHED IN THE FACE.
[01:38:23] WE ARE UP AGAINST VERY
[01:38:27] WELL-FUNDED INCUMBENTS WHO WANT TO HOLD ON TO THEIR POWER, AND
[01:38:30] THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT IN EVERY WAY THAT THEY CAN.
[01:38:33] THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND THAT MONEY IS INCREASING.
[01:38:35] POLITICS IS A BOOMING BUSINESS.
[01:38:39] I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE THE ESTIMATE, EVERY YEAR THERE'S 15%
[01:38:43] MORE MONEY RAISED IN POLITICS.
[01:38:46] BUT DON'T COUNT OUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[01:38:48] I REALLY -- I EXPERIENCE THIS
[01:38:50] EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
[01:38:53] DESPITE THE CORRUPTION, THE GRAFT, THE HUGE AMOUNTS OF
[01:38:57] MONEY, THE OBSCENE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, THE NEGATIVE TV
[01:39:01] COMMERCIALS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO MAKE PEOPLE HATE THEIR
[01:39:04] NEIGHBORS, DESPITE ALL THAT, THE
[01:39:08] AMERICAN PEOPLE'S CREATIVITY AND
[01:39:13] INTEREST, THIS EXPERIMENT IN SELF-GOVERNMENT NOT BE PUT IN
[01:39:16] THE DUSTBIN, THAT WE KEEP GOING, WE FIND WAYS TO BUILD WITH OUR
[01:39:20] NEIGHBORS AND OUR FAMILIES AND BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
[01:39:23] I FIND A LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM FOR
[01:39:28] THAT. REALLY, REALLY, IT'S INSPIRATIONAL.
[01:39:30] YEAH, WE ARE UP AGAINST
[01:39:33] WELL-FUNDED INCUMBENTS, BUT WE
[01:39:35] HAVE EACH OTHER AND AGAIN MY EXPERIENCE IS THE AMERICAN
[01:39:39] PEOPLE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
[01:39:42] HOST: FRANK FROM STATEN ISLAND, AN INDEPENDENT.
[01:39:45] GOOD MORNING, FRANK. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[01:39:48] I WILL TRY TO DO A FEW THINGS.
[01:39:50] FIRST OF ALL, JOHN, I LOVE YOUR NAME.
[01:39:53] IT REMINDS ME OF THE NOVELIST.
[01:40:00] GUEST: YES. CALLER: WITH OPEN PRIMARIES, OK,
[01:40:03] I LIVE IN NEW YORK AND ALL THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HAVING AN
[01:40:07] OPEN PRIMARY WOULD HAVE
[01:40:10] PREVENTED A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST FROM WINNING AND ALL OF THAT.
[01:40:13] SOMETIMES I THINK LIKE AN OPEN
[01:40:16] PRIMARY, WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS IN A CLASSROOM AND THEY'RE VOTING ON
[01:40:20] WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH AND THEY HAVE MANY CHOICES.
[01:40:23] THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PARTIES
[01:40:24] BECAUSE THEY'RE LITTLE KIDS IN A CLASS, BUT THEY'RE VOTING ON
[01:40:28] WHAT IS THE BEST THING?
[01:40:31] WHAT IS THE BEST CHOICE TO HAVE?
[01:40:37] GUEST: RIGHT. CALLER: SOMETIMES WHATEVER WINS
[01:40:39] WILL NOT GET 50%, LIKE IT MAY
[01:40:41] NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE VOICE OF
[01:40:45] THE PEOPLE. GUEST: SURE.
[01:40:48] YEAH, LOOK, THERE'S -- I THINK
[01:40:53] THAT THE NOTION THAT AN OPEN
[01:40:56] PRIMARY WILL DELIVER THIS TYPE
[01:40:59] OF CANDIDATE IS WRONG.
[01:41:01] I THINK DEMOCRACY AT ITS BEST,
[01:41:04] AT ITS BEST, IS INPREDICTABLE.
[01:41:07] IF DEMOCRACY EVER BECOMES A -- IF WE DO THIS SYSTEM, THEN THIS
[01:41:10] RESULT WILL COME ABOUT, WE ARE
[01:41:12] MISSING THE BEN FETES OF --
[01:41:15] BENEFITS OF DEMOCRACY.
[01:41:18] THE UNCERTAINTY, THE FACT THINGS
[01:41:22] ARE UNCERTAIN, INCLUDING MISTAKES, INCLUDING MISSTEPS,
[01:41:25] AND I THINK THAT'S A FEATURE OF
[01:41:26] DEMOCRACY, NOT A BUG.
[01:41:29] BUT THERE IS THIS CULTURE THAT WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW, THE
[01:41:33] POLITICAL CULTURE, AND I HOPE I
[01:41:35] AM NOT SOUNDING TOO MARTY PANTS
[01:41:38] HERE -- SMARTY-PANTS HERE.
[01:41:41] IT'S ALL ABOUT WINNING.
[01:41:44] EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE TAUGHT ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS IS THAT
[01:41:47] THERE'S ONE THING AND ONE THING
[01:41:50] ONLY, WHO WINS.
[01:41:51] AND I ACTUALLY DOPT THINK -- DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE.
[01:41:55] I THINK THAT THE CREATIVE CAPACITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
[01:41:58] TO EXPRESS OURSELVES AND TO
[01:42:01] DRIVE NEW CONVERSATIONS IS MORE
[01:42:05] IMPORTANT THAN WHO WINS. I COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT
[01:42:09] THE BIGGEST CHANGE AGENT IN THE
[01:42:12] 1992 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS
[01:42:14] THE GUY WHO GOT NO ELECTORAL VOTES, ROSS PEROT.
[01:42:17] HE COMPLETELY CHANGED THE POLITICAL CONVERSATION IN THIS COUNTRY AND HE DIDN'T GET A
[01:42:21] SINGLE ELECTORAL VOTE. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BROADEN
[01:42:25] OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE
[01:42:27] BENEFITS ARE OF OPEN SYSTEMS, OF
[01:42:30] SYSTEMS THAT ARE NOT CONTROLLED
[01:42:33] BY SMALL GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
[01:42:35] IT'S NOT JUST THE OUTCOME. IT'S NOT JUST WHO GETS ELECTED.
[01:42:39] IT'S WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATIONS
[01:42:40] AND COALITIONS AND IDEAS CAN
[01:42:44] FLOURISH. THAT'S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT. HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[01:42:47] THAT'S JOHN OPDYCKE FROM OPEN
[01:42:51] PRIMARIES, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING.
[01:42:54] GUEST: MY PLEASURE. HOST: SHORTLY "NEWSWEEK" WHITE
[01:42:57] HOUSE REPORTER LEONARDO FELDZMAN WILL BREAK DOWN WHAT'S ON
[01:43:01] PRESIDENT TRUMP'S AGENDA THIS WEEK AS PART OF OUR OPEN FORUM.
[01:43:04] START CALLING IN NOW. SEND IN YOUR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. IT'S OPEN FORUM.
[01:43:08] STAY WITH US.
[01:43:10] ♪
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[01:44:45] TO MATCH YOUR CIVIC ENERGY,
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[01:45:18] OTHERWISE. >> YOU GUYS DO THE MOST IMPORTANT WORK FOR EVERYONE IN
[01:45:21] THIS COUNTRY. >> I LOVE C-SPAN BECAUSE I GET TO HEAR ALL THE VOICES.
[01:45:25] >> YOU BRING THESE DIVERGENT VIEWPOINTS AND YOU PRESENT BOTH
[01:45:28] SIDES OF AN ISSUE AND YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN
[01:45:32] MINDS. >> I ABSOLUTELY LOVE C-SPAN.
[01:45:34] I LOVE TO HEAR BOTH SIDES. >> I WATCH C-SPAN EVERY MORNING
[01:45:38] AND IT IS UNBIASED AND YOU BRING
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[01:45:48] WE CAN HEAR HONEST OPINION OF AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
[01:45:51] >> YOU GUYS AT C-SPAN ARE DOING SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB OF ALLOWING
[01:45:55] FREE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS WITHOUT A
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[01:46:00] A LIGHT IN THE DARK.
[01:46:08] >> YOU LOOK BACK ON WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED IN YOUR LIFE.
[01:46:12] WHAT MAKES YOU THE HAPPIEST? >> THIS INTERVIEW IS THE ABSOLUTE APEX.
[01:46:16] >> LEADERS SEEM TO LIKE TO WEAR WIGS. HOW COME HE DIDN'T HAVE A WIG?
[01:46:20] PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID I MADE A MISTAKE THE FIRST TIME.
[01:46:23] I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN IT TO YOU THE FIRST TIME. YOUR FIRST BOOK WAS CALLED A
[01:46:27] TIME TO KILL. HOW MANY PUBLISHERS TURNED THAT DOWN? >> WELL, ALL OF THEM.
[01:46:31] >> IT'S RARE TO SEE DONALD TRUMP LAUGH. >> HE DOESN'T LIKE TO SMILE.
[01:46:34] HE HAS WHAT THEY CALL THE STARE. >> WHEN GU TO THE OSCARS AND
[01:46:38] EVERYBODY IS SAYING THERE IS THE AUTHOR -- >> THE BEULFUL PEOPLE --
[01:46:42] BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE GO THIS WAY. THEY HAVE ANOTHER PATH WHERE PEOPLE LIKE I GO.
[01:46:46] >> YOU WROTE ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO LIVED WITH WOLVES.
[01:46:50] >> YES. >> IS THAT SAFE? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> I KNOW YOU WERE NOT
[01:46:54] COMPLAINING. YOU ARE OPINIONATED ABOUT THE SITUATION.
[01:46:56] WHICH IS WHY WE LOVE YOU, DAVID.
[01:47:04] ♪ >> "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" CONTINUES.
[01:47:07] HOST: WELCOME BACK. IT'S OPEN FORUM WHERE YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANY PUBLIC POLICY OR
[01:47:11] POLITICAL ISSUE ON YOUR MIND THIS MORNING.
[01:47:14] I WILL REPEAT YOUR LINES.
[01:47:16] REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE -- 202-748-8001.
[01:47:19] DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE -- 202-748-8000.
[01:47:22] AND INDEPENDENTS, YOUR LINE --
[01:47:25] 202-748-8002. START CALLING IN NOW.
[01:47:27] I WILL START THIS SEGMENT BY BRINGING UP SOME BREAKING NEWS
[01:47:31] HERE. I AM LOOKING AT A FOX NEWS ARTICLE.
[01:47:33] THE HEADLINE IS FEDERAL AGENTS
[01:47:36] RAID OMAR'S D.C. HOME AMID
[01:47:39] IMMIGRATION FRAUD INVESTIGATION. BEAR WITH ME WHILE I SCROLL DOWN.
[01:47:43] THAT PUBLISHED AT 8:39 A.M. EASTERN TIME.
[01:47:46] IT SAYS, THE HOME OF OMAR,
[01:47:51] REPRESENTATIVE FROM MINNESOTA,
[01:47:51] WAS RAIDED EARLY MONDAY MORNING
[01:47:55] BY HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS, A SOURCE FAMILIAR WITH THE MATTER TOLD
[01:47:58] FOX NEWS. MULTIPLE FEDERAL AGENTS WERE
[01:48:02] SEEN OUTSIDE OF OMAR'S HOME IN
[01:48:05] EARLY HOURS OF MONDAY. TWO SOURCES CLOSE TO THE INVESTIGATION SAY THE SEARCH
[01:48:09] FROM A CRIMINAL FRAUD INVESTIGATION INTO THE SOME
[01:48:13] ISALI BORN CONGRESSWOMAN'S IMMIGRATION PAPERWORK FILLED OUT
[01:48:16] BY HER LATE FATHER WHEN SHE WAS A CHILD.
[01:48:19] THE RAID STARTED AROUND 6:00
[01:48:22] A.M. WITH H.S.I. AND DEPARTMENT
[01:48:25] OF HOMELAND SECURITY LEADING THE OPERATION. THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS
[01:48:28] ALSO INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION.
[01:48:31] TODAY IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AREA HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS
[01:48:34] EXECUTED A JUDICIALLY AUTHORIZED SEARCH WARRANT SECURED BY THE
[01:48:38] DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THIS ENFORCEMENT ACTION IS PART
[01:48:41] OF AN ONGOING FEDERAL INVESTIGATION, A SPOKESPERSON
[01:48:44] TOLD FOX NEWS DIGITAL.
[01:48:46] THE BORDER CZAR SAID THAT THE PROGRESSIVE CONGRESSWOMAN WAS
[01:48:50] SUBJECT TO AN ONGOING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
[01:48:53] H.S.I. IS A PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATING ARM OF D.H.S.
[01:48:57] ITS SCOPE INCLUDES INVESTIGATING GLOBAL THREATS INCLUDING HUMAN
[01:49:00] TRAFFICKING AND CHILD SEX EXPLOITATION, DRUG SMUGGLING AND
[01:49:04] CYBERCRIME. H.S.I. PLAYS A MAJOR FRONTLINE
[01:49:07] ROLE IN AMERICA'S COUNTERTERRORISM OPERATIONS.
[01:49:09] THIS STORY IS DEVELOPING, THAT WAS BREAKING THIS MORNING, THAT
[01:49:13] THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES HAVE
[01:49:15] EXECUTED A SEARCH WARRANTS
[01:49:19] AGAINST ILHAN OMAR AT HER D.C. HOME.
[01:49:22] IT'S OPEN FORUM. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. ANTHONY FROM FLORIDA, AN
[01:49:26] INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING, ANTHONY.
[01:49:28] CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[01:49:33] SHE'S FULL OF ALL THAT JAZZ. HOW ARE YOU DOING?
[01:49:37] HOST: I AM DOING WELL. NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
[01:49:41] CALLER: I MISS YOU.
[01:49:42] YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I, WE HAVE
[01:49:48] DATE NIGHT.
[01:49:51] WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE A ROW
[01:49:54] MAPTIC NIGHT -- ROMANTIC.
[01:49:55] GOT THE MUSIC PLAYING.
[01:50:00] THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT BREAKS
[01:50:01] IN WITH ALL THIS POLITICAL,
[01:50:04] COMMERCIAL, VOTE FOR US, DON'T VOTE FOR NIXON.
[01:50:08] LET EVERYBODY OUT OF JAIL.
[01:50:10] WE WON'T HAVE OUR DEMOCRACY.
[01:50:15] HOST: SO YOU HEARD AN ASHLEY MOODY CAMPAIGN AD.
[01:50:19] CALLER: AND ANOTHER CAMPAIGN AD. YOU GET A NICE SONG TO SET THE
[01:50:23] MOOD AND BURST IN WITH OH, DON'T
[01:50:25] VOTE FOR THE ONE THAT VOTES FOR
[01:50:32] THAT PARTY. IT'S RIDICULOUS.
[01:50:35] I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO VOTE BECAUSE THE
[01:50:38] MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, YOU
[01:50:41] KNOW, WE DON'T -- I BELIEVE THAT
[01:50:46] OUR RIGHT TO VOTE IS BEING ATTACKED. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
[01:50:50] I HATE TO SAY -- I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE I
[01:50:53] BELIEVE THAT THE REPUBLICANS IN
[01:50:57] THE HOUSE, WE MIGHT HAVE IT TO
[01:50:58] WHERE THE PRESIDENT GOES BACK TO FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT WHERE THE
[01:51:02] PRESIDENT HAS NO LIMITATION ON HIS YEARS OF BEING IN THE WHITE
[01:51:05] HOUSE. AND I DON'T KNOW.
[01:51:09] IT'S JUST -- THAT'S WHAT I FEEL.
[01:51:11] I DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE.
[01:51:15] I LOVE MY COUNTRY.
[01:51:19] AND I AM PROMOTING THAT OPEN
[01:51:24] FORUM GOES BACK TO ONE HOUR.
[01:51:26] THEN THE GUESTS GET ONE HOUR.
[01:51:29] SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE.
[01:51:33] HOST: ALL RIGHT. POLITICAL ADS BREAKING UP
[01:51:36] ROMANTIC TIMES. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I HEARD
[01:51:39] IT, BUT YOU HEARD IT FROM ANTHONY IN FLORIDA. JAMES FROM VIRGINIA, AN INDEPENDENT.
[01:51:43] GOOD MORNING, JAMES. IT'S OPEN FORUM.
[01:51:45] CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[01:51:48] I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE LAST
[01:51:50] SEGMENT WITH THE INDEPENDENTS.
[01:51:54] I HAVE BEEN REGISTERED INDEPENDENT MY WHOLE LIFE.
[01:51:56] I WAS 15 AND 16 YEARS OLD DURING
[01:51:59] THE ANTI-VIETNAM WAR PROTESTS,
[01:52:03] THE CHICAGO SEVEN, THE
[01:52:07] WEATHERMAN, THE KENT STATE MURDER.
[01:52:11] THAT YOUNG -- AT THAT YOUNG AGE, I REALIZED THERE WAS TOTAL
[01:52:14] POLARIZATION AND IT WASN'T GOING TO DO ANY GOOD TO STICK WITH ONE
[01:52:18] SIDE.
[01:52:20] I ALSO REMEMBER ROSS PEROT'S RUN
[01:52:26] FOR PRESIDENT. I VOTED FOR HIM AND HELPED PUT
[01:52:29] BILL CLINTON IN OFFICE AS A
[01:52:33] RESULT. I HAVE GONE FORWARD FROM THEN
[01:52:36] AND I DO THINK ONE WAY TO SHORT
[01:52:38] CUT ALL OF THIS WOULD BE TO GO
[01:52:40] TO RANKED CHOICE VOTING AND A
[01:52:42] LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND
[01:52:44] THAT, BUT IT DOES GIVE THE
[01:52:47] OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WITH
[01:52:49] DIFFERENT IDEOLOGIES TO VOTE.
[01:52:52] I MEAN, TO RUN.
[01:52:55] HOST: ALL RIGHT. THAT'S JAMES FROM VIRGINIA, AN INDEPENDENT.
[01:52:59] CATHERINE FROM LONG ISLAND, A DEMOCRAT. GUYS, THIS IS OPEN FORUM, SO I
[01:53:03] WOULD LOVE IF YOU CAN START CALLING IN NOW. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANY PUBLIC
[01:53:06] POLICY OR POLITICAL ISSUE ON YOUR MIND. I WILL GO TO YOUR LINES QUICKLY.
[01:53:10] REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE, 202-748-8001.
[01:53:14] DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE, 202-748-8000.
[01:53:17] INDEPENDENTS, YOUR LINE,
[01:53:19] 202-748-8002. START CALLING IN NOW.
[01:53:22] YOU CAN ALSO REACH US BY TEXT MESSAGE.
[01:53:24] THAT LINE IS 202-748-8003 OR SOCIAL MEDIA.
[01:53:28] INCLUDE YOUR FIRST NAME, CITY AND STATE. CATHERINE FROM LONG ISLAND, A
[01:53:32] DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING. IT'S OPEN FORUM. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[01:53:36] I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE AN ANSWER
[01:53:39] TO A WOMAN WHO CALLED IN ABOUT A
[01:53:41] MONTH AGO, WHO WANTED TO KNOW WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM
[01:53:46] FOR DONALD TRUMP'S NEW PLANE?
[01:53:51] WELL, $934 MILLION IS THE TOTAL
[01:53:53] OR WAS THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE
[01:53:55] UPKEEP OF OUR SILOED NUCLEAR
[01:53:59] MISSILES. THIS IS OUR INTERCONTINENTAL
[01:54:01] BALLISTIC MISSILES WITH THEIR NUCLEAR WARHEADS.
[01:54:04] DONALD TRUMP TOOK AWAY THE
[01:54:06] ENTIRE BUDGET FOR THEIR UPKEEP.
[01:54:08] SO HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO ANSWER
[01:54:11] THE IMMINENT THREAT THAT TRUMP KEEPS TALKING ABOUT?
[01:54:15] HE SAYS THAT NOW SAN DIEGO'S GOING TO GET BLOWN UP.
[01:54:19] SO HOW CAN WE USE OUR
[01:54:22] INTERCOULDN'T NENTAL NUKE --
[01:54:25] INTERCONTINENTAL NUCLEAR WARHEADS IF WE ARE NOT TAKING
[01:54:28] GOOD CARE OF THEM? WHEN IS DONALD TRUMP GOING TO
[01:54:32] RETURN THE BUDGET? WHEN ARE THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE IN
[01:54:35] CONGRESS GOING TO MAKE THIS MAN
[01:54:37] RETURN THAT MONEY SO THAT WE
[01:54:40] HAVE THE SAFETY OF OUR NUCLEAR MISSILES?
[01:54:43] IT'S 1/3 OF OUR NUCLEAR TRIAD.
[01:54:47] SO HE IS JUST A GRIFTER IN CHIEF
[01:54:50] AND I THINK HE IS A DANGER TO OUR COUNTRY, AND I THINK HE
[01:54:54] SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND GOTTEN
[01:54:56] OUT OF OFFICE AS A TRAITOR.
[01:54:59] HOST: THAT'S CATHERINE FROM LONG ISLAND, A DEMOCRAT.
[01:55:02] KEVIN FROM RIDGEWAY, ILLINOIS, A REPUBLICAN.
[01:55:04] GOOD MORNING, KEVIN.
[01:55:07] CALLER: HEY, GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE COUNTRY
[01:55:10] THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON GOD, WE
[01:55:14] NEED TO FOCUS ON JESUS, LOVE, PEACE.
[01:55:16] WHEN YOU LOOK BACK, YOU LOOK AT THE MONEY.
[01:55:18] THE MONEY SAYS IN GOD WE TRUST.
[01:55:21] NOW THERE'S A BIG KORAN MOVEMENT. THERE IS A BIG RELIGION MOVEMENT
[01:55:25] WITH THE MUSLIMS. IT'S NOT WHAT OUR COUNTRY WAS
[01:55:28] FOUNDED ON AND I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE THE ANTI-CHRIST AND I
[01:55:31] LIKE TO PRAY -- HOST: PHILLIP FROM ALEXANDRIA,
[01:55:35] VIRGINIA, A DEMOCRAT.
[01:55:38] CALLER: HOW ARE YOU DOING? HOST: GOOD MORNING.
[01:55:40] IT'S OPEN FORUM. CALLER: YEAH, THANK YOU.
[01:55:43] I JUST WANTED TO CALL IN AND SAY, WE NEED TO REALLY GET BACK
[01:55:47] TO SOME LEVEL OF LEVELHEADEDNESS IN POLITICS.
[01:55:51] I GREW UP DURING THE GEORGE BUSH
[01:55:53] SECOND ERA AND I WAS -- IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD.
[01:55:57] I STILL WAS LEANING REPUBLICAN IN MY FAMILY, BUT NOW I AM
[01:56:01] DEMOCRAT THIS TIME. THERE'S LIKE A FULL
[01:56:04] WEAPONIZATION OF THE POLITICAL
[01:56:06] SYSTEM AND THERE'S SO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED ON ALL SIDES.
[01:56:10] IT'S JUST EVERYONE IN BETWEEN IS SUFFERING.
[01:56:14] SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE, BUT
[01:56:15] YOU KNOW, TO COMMENT ON THE LAST
[01:56:19] PERSON'S RELIGION THING, EVERYONE IS FREE TO WORSHIP WHO THEY WANT.
[01:56:22] THE WHOLE PITTING PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER OVER WHAT WE LOOK
[01:56:25] LIKE OR RELIGION IS INSANE. LIKE THIS COUNTRY WAS NOT BUILT
[01:56:29] ON THAT. THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON FOUNDATIONAL VALUES.
[01:56:33] YES, WE ALL HAVE -- IT'S JUST
[01:56:37] CRAZY. I AM SORRY. I AM ONE OF THE YOUNGER
[01:56:41] GENERATION. EVERYONE HERE SEEMS TO BE FROM THE OLDER GENERATION.
[01:56:45] THANK YOU. HOST: THAT'S PHILLIP FROM
[01:56:49] VIRGINIA, A DEMOCRAT CALLING IN. ONE STORY THAT WE ARE TRACKING
[01:56:53] THIS MORNING IS ON THE PLANNED
[01:56:58] EXECUTION THAT PETE HEGSETH, THE
[01:57:00] DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SECRETARY,
[01:57:02] SAID COULD BE LIVESTREAMED. I AM LOOKING AT AN ARTICLE HERE.
[01:57:06] TRUMP EXPRESSES DOUBTS ABOUT LIVESTREAMING EXECUTION.
[01:57:09] BEAR WITH ME WHILE I SCROLL DOWN. IT SAYS, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS
[01:57:12] SHARED MISGIVINGS ABOUT
[01:57:15] LIVESTREAMING THE EXECUTION OF A
[01:57:17] FORMER ARMY MAJOR WHO MURDERED
[01:57:19] PEOPLE AT FORT HOOD.
[01:57:25] WHY IT MATTERS, TRUMP HAS BEEN DELUGED WITH JEG TIFF INPUT
[01:57:28] ABOUT THE IDEA FROM A BIPARTISAN
[01:57:30] CHORUS OF LAWMAKERS. A LIVESTREAM OF FORMER ARMY
[01:57:34] MAJOR HASAN'S EXECUTION ON
[01:57:38] DECEMBER 3 "MIGHT NOT HAPPEN,"
[01:57:43] TRUMP SAID TO SOMEONE WHO SHARED THE COMMENT.
[01:57:46] HE DIDN'T SOUPED ENTHUSIASTIC --
[01:57:49] SOUPED ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT DOING THE EXECUTION.
[01:57:52] HE IS ASKING PEOPLE WHAT THEY THINK YESTERDAY ON MEET THE
[01:57:55] PRESS, SENATOR THOM TILLIS, OUTGOING REPUBLICAN SENATOR FROM
[01:57:58] NORTH CAROLINA WAS ASKED ABOUT
[01:58:01] D.O.D.'S PLAN TO PUBLICLY
[01:58:03] EXECUTE THE FORT HOOD SOLDIER. TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAD TO
[01:58:07] SAY. >> TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS WILL
[01:58:09] USE THIS AS A RECITING TOOL -- RECRUITING TOOL.
[01:58:13] IT WILL RAH-RAHED -- IT WILL RADICALIZE OTHER PEOPLE.
[01:58:17] THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE. THE FORT HOOD SHOOTER SHOULD BE
[01:58:19] PUT TO DEATH BUT THERE IS A WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS THAT'S PROPER
[01:58:23] AND THERE'S A WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS THAT'S MORE IMPROPER THAN I
[01:58:26] HAVE EVER OBSERVED IN MY LIFE.
[01:58:28] THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE AND IT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT PETE
[01:58:32] HEGSETH AND ALL OF HIS BRAVADO
[01:58:35] NEEDS TO GET THE HELL OUT OF THE
[01:58:38] DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BECAUSE HE IS A FAILED LEADER. WE NEED STRONG LEADERSHIP
[01:58:42] SUPPORTING PRESIDENT TRUMP RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO END THE CONFLICT IN
[01:58:45] IRAN AND I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME
[01:58:48] OF PETE HEGSETH'S MISMANAGEMENT,
[01:58:51] HE IS MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR
[01:58:54] INCREASED ENERGY PRICES THAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY. WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE REAL
[01:58:57] THREAT TO WESTERN DEMOCRACY IS
[01:59:00] NOT ANYBODY OTHER THAN VLADIMIR
[01:59:03] PUTIN AND A MAN WHO WANTS TO
[01:59:05] RE-ESTABLISH THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE AND COMMUNISM THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
[01:59:08] HE IS NO DIFFERENT THAN KHRUSHCHEV.
[01:59:10] HE WANTS TO BURY US. PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS TO --
[01:59:14] NEEDS TO RECOGNIZE THAT. >> YOU ARE BEING CRITICAL OF PETE HEGSETH.
[01:59:18] YOU DID VOTE TO CONFIRM PETE HEGSETH. DO YOU REGRET THAT VOTE?
[01:59:22] DO YOU BEAR ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS MOMENT?
[01:59:25] >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I PROBABLY WAS A LITTLE SUT UNTIL MY BOOK.
[01:59:29] I DEDICATE A WHOLE CHAPTER TO MY BIGGEST REGRET. SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR
[01:59:33] THAT I REGRET THAT DECISION.
[01:59:35] LOOK, I HAVE GOT A TRACK RECORD
[01:59:38] OF SUPPORTING PRESIDENTS, CABINET PICKS DATING ALL THE WAY BACK TO OBAMA.
[01:59:41] I DO BELIEVE A PRESIDENT DESERVES AS MANY OF THEIR PICKS
[01:59:44] AS POSSIBLE, BUT THERE'S NO QUESTION BASED ON HIS JOB
[01:59:47] PERFORMANCE HE GOT HIRED, BUT I AM SURE THAT IN YOUR BUSINESS
[01:59:51] AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS YOU HAVE HAD TO FIRE PEOPLE YOU HIRED.
[01:59:54] THAT'S THE POINT. I MADE A MISTAKE. I HAVE ADMITTED THAT I MADE A
[01:59:57] MISTAKE AND NOW I WANT TO TRY TO PUT SOMEBODY IN PLACE THAT WILL
[02:00:00] HELP THE PRESIDENT'S LEGACY AND
[02:00:02] MAKE AMERICANS SAFER AND THAT IS NOT PETE HEGSETH.
[02:00:05] HOST: THAT WAS SENATOR THOM TILLIS YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT
[02:00:09] THE PLANS FOR THAT EXECUTION,
[02:00:14] WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BE LIVESTREAMED. GOING TO THE WHITE HOUSE NOW,
[02:00:18] JOINING US IS THE WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FROM "NEWSWEEK."
[02:00:22] LEONARDO, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING. >> ABSOLUTELY.
[02:00:25] THANK YOU. HOST: PRESIDENT TRUMP IS ALREADY UP AND AT THEM THIS MORNING.
[02:00:29] TALK TO US ABOUT HIS DAY. WE ARE EXPECTING HIM TO HEAD TO
[02:00:32] OHIO TONIGHT FOR SENATOR JON
[02:00:35] HUSTED WHO IS RUNNING AS THE
[02:00:38] G.O.P. CANDIDATE THERE. >> THIS WEEK WILL BE A VERY BUSY
[02:00:41] WEEK FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP,
[02:00:43] ESPECIALLY JUST WEEKS INTO
[02:00:45] WHAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY
[02:00:49] TOUGH MIDTERM ELECTION.
[02:00:50] WE DO KNOW THAT HE IS HEADED TO OHIO TODAY.
[02:00:54] AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT WILL BE AT 7:00 P.M. EASTERN TIME.
[02:00:57] THAT'S WHEN THE RALLY IS SET TO START.
[02:01:00] BUT HE IS OBVIOUSLY SET TO DEPART HERE SOMETIME IN THE
[02:01:04] AFTERNOON. WE ALSO KNOW THAT TOMORROW HE IS
[02:01:07] HEADED TO ALASKA BECAUSE IN
[02:01:08] ALASKA, A RED STATE, THE
[02:01:11] INCOUPLE BENT SENATOR, DAN SULLIVAN, IS FACING A VERY TOUGH
[02:01:15] CHALLENGE OVER THERE AND THAT'S
[02:01:17] AGAINST DEMOCRAT MARY PELTOLA.
[02:01:19] WE KNOW THAT ON WEDNESDAY HE
[02:01:21] WILL RED TO ARIZONA AND -- HE
[02:01:25] WILL HEAD TO ARIZONA AND GEORGIA.
[02:01:28] IT WILL BE A VERY BUSY WEEK FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP JUST WEEKS UNTIL
[02:01:32] THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
[02:01:33] HOST: A LOT OF MIDTERM DOMESTIC
[02:01:36] TRAVEL THERE FOR THE PRESIDENT, RAMPING UP BEFORE THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
[02:01:40] SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED OVER THE
[02:01:42] WEEKEND WAS A NEW DEVELOPMENT
[02:01:45] WITH THE UKRAINE WAR AND
[02:01:47] PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCING A
[02:01:50] PARTIAL ENERGY CEASE-FIRE.
[02:01:51] CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT
[02:01:54] HAPPENED AND HOW THE PRESIDENT GOT THERE? >> WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT
[02:01:57] DETAILS OF HOW WE GOT THERE,
[02:02:01] LIKE PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT THERE. BUT WE DO KNOW THAT PRESIDENT
[02:02:04] TRUMP ANNOUNCED THE DEAL THIS
[02:02:07] WEEKEND AND WE KNOW THAT
[02:02:10] VLADIMIR PUTIN -- VOLODYMYR ZELENSKY, THE UKRAINIAN
[02:02:14] PRESIDENT, SPOKEN -- SPOKE ON IT.
[02:02:17] HE WELCOMED THE CEASE-FIRE ON ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS
[02:02:20] BASICALLY THAT UKRAINE CANNOT
[02:02:27] ATTACK ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE. ZELENSKY DID SAY TODAY THAT
[02:02:30] RUSSIA WAS STILL ATTACKING THOSE ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE SITES, SO
[02:02:34] HE IS NOT REALLY SURE IF THIS
[02:02:37] DEAL IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN, THE CEASE-FIRE IS GOING
[02:02:40] TO HAPPEN, AND IF IT CONTINUES, HE SAYS THAT THEY WILL RESPOND.
[02:02:44] SO WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE
[02:02:46] IF RUSSIA REALLY ABIDES BY THIS
[02:02:49] NEW CEASE-FIRE AND WE ALSO WANT
[02:02:52] TO MENTION THAT THIS JUST COMES
[02:02:54] A FEW DAYS AFTER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ANNOUNCED THAT HE
[02:02:57] IS BRINGING DIESEL FROM RUSSIA
[02:03:00] INTO THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE
[02:03:04] DIESEL FUEL COSTS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW AND HE IS
[02:03:07] LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS TO BRING
[02:03:09] DOWN THE COST, INCLUDING HE IS ACTUALLY DOING THAT.
[02:03:13] HE IS GOING TO BE BRINGING THAT DIESEL FROM RUSSIA, WHICH HAS
[02:03:17] BROUGHT A LOT OF CRITICISM FROM
[02:03:20] EVEN REPUBLICANS HERE, SOME SENATORS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST
[02:03:23] THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF THAT. HOST: RIGHT. WE KNOW THAT IN THAT SANCTIONS
[02:03:27] BILL THAT CONGRESS PASSED JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO ON RUSSIA, IT SAID
[02:03:31] THAT IT WOULD LEVY TARIFFS
[02:03:33] AGAINST ANY NATION BUYING OIL,
[02:03:36] DIESEL OIL FROM RUSSIA. OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD INCLUDE US.
[02:03:40] HAS THE PRESIDENT RESPONDED TO ANY OF THE REPUBLICANS PUSHING
[02:03:44] BACK AGAINST THIS DEAL THAT HE ANNOUNCED? OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT JUST
[02:03:47] RUSSIA -- IT'S NOT JUST
[02:03:49] REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE CRITICIZED HIM.
[02:03:53] THE UKRANIANS HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THIS DECISION THAT THEY SAY
[02:03:55] WOULD GIVE MORE MONEY TO RUSSIA,
[02:03:57] TO AID THEM IN THE WAR AGAINST UKRAINE.
[02:04:01] HOST: THE PRESIDENT SAYS THAT HE WANTS TO BRING DOWN COSTS AND HE
[02:04:03] SAYS THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
[02:04:06] SO HE ALSO SOMETIMES DOES THINGS
[02:04:09] MAYBE TO BRING A DEAL AS WELL
[02:04:11] BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE, SO THIS COULD BE A WAY OF HIM
[02:04:15] SAYING OK, WE WILL BE BUYING
[02:04:20] THOSE DIESEL FUEL AND THEN TRYING TO GET SOMETHING IN
[02:04:24] RETURN SO THEY CAN MAKE A PEACE DEAL WITH UKRAINE.
[02:04:28] BUT THAT'S ALL WE KNOW AT THE MOMENT ON THAT DEAL.
[02:04:31] HOST: AND LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS
[02:04:34] INVESTIGATING MAJOR TV NETWORKS OVER SUSPENDING POOL COVERAGE OF
[02:04:38] PRESIDENT TRUMP. WHERE DOES THAT LAWSUIT AND
[02:04:41] COVERAGE CURRENTLY STAND? >> WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT THIS
[02:04:44] IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE
[02:04:46] LITIGATION THAT IS ONGOING IN REGARDS TO THE THREE MEDIA
[02:04:50] OUTLETS THAT WERE BANNED, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN BACK
[02:04:53] ON CAMPUS AFTER A JUDGE RULED THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE BACK ON
[02:04:58] CAMPUS PENDING LITIGATION.
[02:05:01] BUT WHAT THIS DEALS WITH IS THE
[02:05:05] FIVE TV POOL OUTLETS THAT ARE IN
[02:05:08] THERE, WHICH IS ABC, CBS, FOX
[02:05:12] NEWS, CNN, AND NBC.
[02:05:15] AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT IS
[02:05:16] THAT THEY DECIDED TO BOYCOTT THE
[02:05:20] POOL WHEN CNN WAS BANNED FROM
[02:05:23] COMING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE CAMPUS.
[02:05:27] SO AT THIS MOMENT, THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LITIGATION
[02:05:30] IN TERMS OF THE INVESTIGATION,
[02:05:32] BUT AS OF NOW, NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED.
[02:05:35] THIS IS IN REGARDS TO POTENTIAL
[02:05:38] ANTITRUST FEDERAL VIOLATIONS. THAT'S WHAT THE D.O.J. IS
[02:05:42] LOOKING INTO, BUT AS OF RIGHT
[02:05:45] NOW, NOTHING IN TERMS OF
[02:05:47] CRIMINAL CHARGES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT.
[02:05:49] HOST: ALL RIGHT, LEONARDO, WHITE HOUSE REPORTER WITH "NEWSWEEK," THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH
[02:05:53] US THIS MORNING. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. HOST: WE TURN BACK TO OPEN FORUM
[02:05:56] WHERE YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANY PUBLIC POLICY OR POLITICAL ISSUE
[02:05:59] ON YOUR MIND. RONNY FROM FLORIDA, AN
[02:06:03] INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING, RONNY.
[02:06:06] ARE YOU ON THE LINE THERE?
[02:06:11] I WILL GIVE YOU ONE MORE CHANCE.
[02:06:14] ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
[02:06:18] ALL RIGHT.
[02:06:20] WILLARD FROM RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, AN INDEPENDENT.
[02:06:22] GOOD MORNING, WILLARD. CALLER: YES, GOOD MORNING.
[02:06:26] THANK YOU.
[02:06:30] FOR ANSWERING MY CALL. A COUPLE OF POINTS.
[02:06:33] NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE AN UNEDUCATED PUBLIC AND JEFFERSON
[02:06:37] ALWAYS SAID WE NEEDED AN EDUCATED PUBLIC TO HAVE A
[02:06:40] DEMOCRACY AND LISTENING TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CALL IN,
[02:06:44] THEY ARE UNEDUCATED AND IN MANY
[02:06:46] CASES IGNORANT OF THEIR GOVERNMENT.
[02:06:50] IT'S VERY STRANGE. WE ALSO HAVE UNQUALIFIED PEOPLE
[02:06:54] RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OFFICE WHO
[02:06:58] DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT OUR
[02:07:02] COUNTRY, AND I GET REALLY UPSET ABOUT THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE
[02:07:05] TALK ABOUT RELIGION AND THINGS.
[02:07:08] JOHN ADAMS HIMSELF SAID THAT
[02:07:11] RELIGION -- THAT THE UNITED STATES WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN
[02:07:15] COUNTRY, AND THAT RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT ARE SEPARATED.
[02:07:18] IN FACT, MOST OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WERE DEISTS.
[02:07:23] JOHN ADAMS WAS A LITTLE MORE TRADITIONAL, BUT JEFFERSON WAS A
[02:07:27] DEIST. MOST OF THE PEOPLE OF THE
[02:07:29] ENLIGHTENMENT WERE DEIST AND
[02:07:32] THEY BELIEVE IN GOD BUT THEY
[02:07:33] DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU PRAYED
[02:07:36] UNTIL GOD HELPS YOU. THERE WAS A VALUES SYSTEM.
[02:07:39] I HAVE JEFFERSON'S BIBLE WHICH
[02:07:42] TOOK ALL OF THE DEITIES OUT OF
[02:07:47] PARTS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
[02:07:50] SO I JUST FEEL VERY UPSET, WE
[02:07:53] HAVE THIS UNEDUCATED PUBLIC THAT
[02:07:58] DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE.
[02:08:01] HOST: THAT'S WILLARD FROM RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, AN INDEPENDENT.
[02:08:04] PHILLIP FROM TEMPE, ARIZONA, A
[02:08:08] DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING, PHILLIP. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[02:08:12] HOST: IT'S OPEN FORUM. CALLER: YES. I WANT TO CALL IT FOR WHAT IT
[02:08:16] IS. IT'S ALL ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACISTS.
[02:08:18] THE WHITE PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE MINORITY ADD
[02:08:22] THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH
[02:08:25] THIS I.C.E., IT'S NOT I.C.E.
[02:08:29] ANYMORE. IT'S THE PROUD BOYS. WE KNOW THAT.
[02:08:33] WE CAN GO BACK TO JANUARY 6 AND
[02:08:36] IT'S ABOUT THAT. HOST: MIKE FROM FLORIDA, AN
[02:08:40] INDEPENDENT.
[02:08:44] CALLER: YEAH, GOOD MORNING, JASMINE. HOW ARE YOU DOING? HOST: GOOD MORNING, MIKE.
[02:08:48] IT'S OPEN FORUM.
[02:08:50] CALLER: I AGREE WITH THE LAST
[02:08:52] CALLER BECAUSE THE WAY I.C.E. IS
[02:08:58] BEHAVING, LAW ENFORCEMENT DON'T BEHAVE THAT WAY.
[02:09:01] WE REALLY NEED TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH I.C.E. WHERE THEY
[02:09:05] TAKE THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE A LOT
[02:09:07] OF FAMILY MEMBERS AREN'T ABLE TO
[02:09:10] GO AND VISIT, HAVE PHONE CALLS,
[02:09:13] EVEN SEE THE CONDITION WHERE
[02:09:17] THEIR FAMILY MEMBER IS BEING
[02:09:18] HELD, MUCH LESS HAVE A COURT
[02:09:23] DATE. WE HAVE TO CHANGE ALL THIS BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY UN-AMERICAN AND THE PRESIDENT
[02:09:27] SHOULD KNOW BETTER TO HAVE
[02:09:30] PEOPLE LIKE WHOEVER HE HAS IN
[02:09:33] HIS CABINET RUNNING AROUND DOING
[02:09:36] THINGS THAT MAKING THE COUNTRY
[02:09:39] SUFFER, MAKING THE PEOPLE SUFFER.
[02:09:42] IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
[02:09:45] HE IS BEHAVING AS IF HE DOESN'T LIKE AMERICA.
[02:09:48] HOST: THAT'S MIKE FROM FLORIDA. HELEN FROM NEW JERSEY, AN
[02:09:52] INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING, HELEN.
[02:09:56] HELEN, IT'S OPEN FORUM.
[02:09:58] CALLER: CAN YOU HEAR ME? HOST: I SURE CAN. GOOD MORNING.
[02:10:01] CALLER: YES, I AM CALLING BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RESTORATION OF CHECKS AND
[02:10:05] BALANCES IN OUR GOVERNMENT. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE THAT
[02:10:09] RIGHT NOW.
[02:10:10] WE APPEAR TO HAVE A CONGRESS,
[02:10:15] REPUBLICANS IN THE CONGRESS -- I KNOW YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO VOTE WITH YOUR PARTY, BUT THEY DO
[02:10:18] SEEM TO BE RATHER TERRIFIED OF
[02:10:20] VOTING AGAINST TRUMP BECAUSE IT
[02:10:23] MIGHT ADVERSELY AFFECT THEIR
[02:10:24] CAREERS OR WHATEVER, AND HE DOES
[02:10:27] SEEM TO HAVE THE SUPREME COURT
[02:10:30] MORE OR LESS IN HIS POCKET.
[02:10:32] HE USES EXECUTIVE ORDERS VERY
[02:10:37] FREELY. NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS DONE THAT.
[02:10:41] SO TO RESTORE CHECKS AND
[02:10:43] BALANCES, I AM AN INDEPENDENT,
[02:10:45] BUT I WOULD PROBABLY VOTE
[02:10:50] DEMOCRATIC BECAUSE -- THIS TERM BECAUSE THERE IS A CHANCE IF THE
[02:10:52] DEMOCRATS TAKE THE HOUSE, MAYBE
[02:10:55] THE SENATE AS WELL, THAT WE
[02:10:57] COULD HAVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THE
[02:11:00] GOVERNMENT OR AT LEAST THE BEGINNING IN THAT DIRECTION. RIGHT NOW IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNDER
[02:11:04] THE CONTROL OF ONE PERSON. HOST: ALL RIGHT, THAT'S HELEN
[02:11:08] FROM NEW JERSEY, AN INDEPENDENT.
[02:11:13] SANISI FROM FLORIDA, AN INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[02:11:17] I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT I WISH THAT PEOPLE STOPPED SAYING
[02:11:20] THAT WE ARE NOT A COUNTRY OF
[02:11:26] CHRISTIANS. WE NOT NECESSARILY JUST
[02:11:27] CHRISTIANS BUT WE ARE -- EVEN OUR DOLLAR BILLS SAY IN GOD WE
[02:11:31] TRUST AND I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO TRUSTING AND NOT JUST
[02:11:35] RELY ON ONE MAN FOR ALL THE
[02:11:37] ANSWERS AND BASICALLY THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU.
[02:11:40] I ENJOY THE SHOW.
[02:11:41] HOST: ALL RIGHT.
[02:11:44] THAT'S SANTISI FROM FLORIDA.
[02:11:49] AN INDEPENDENT, GOOD MORNING, CAM. IT'S OPEN FORUM. CALLER: HI.
[02:11:54] I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT -- YOU
[02:11:57] STARTED OFF THIS SESSION TALKING
[02:12:00] ABOUT CONGRESSWOMAN OMAR AND I
[02:12:02] THINK IT IS TOTALLY, TOTALLY
[02:12:06] OUTRAGEOUS THAT THEY INVADED HER HOUSE.
[02:12:08] THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF
[02:12:11] YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT AND --
[02:12:18] THAT IS GOING AFTER OUR CONGRESSPEOPLE REGARDLESS OF
[02:12:21] WHAT YOU THINK OF THEIR PERM
[02:12:23] OPINION, WE HAVE ANOTHER BLACK
[02:12:25] CONGRESSWOMAN THAT IS LOOKING AT
[02:12:29] CHARGES FOR HAVING A SCUFFLE --
[02:12:32] HOST: FROM NEW JERSEY. CALLER: YES.
[02:12:35] THAT JUST HAD A BABY. STILL, THIS IS -- THIS IS TO LET
[02:12:38] YOU KNOW THAT EVEN AS -- YOU ARE
[02:12:44] A PROTESTER. THEY'RE COMING AFTER NOT ONE OF
[02:12:47] US, NOT A FEW OF US BUT ALL OF US.
[02:12:49] AND THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF WHAT FASCISM LOOKS LIKE NO
[02:12:53] MATTER WHAT YOU SAY. IF YOU READ HISTORY, THIS IS
[02:12:56] WHAT IS HAPPENING. YOU CAN'T HAVE A -- THEY'RE
[02:13:00] TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE BEING TERRORISTS THAT ARE RUNNING IN
[02:13:03] THIS COUNTRY. I AM SO DISGUSTED.
[02:13:07] YOU KNOW WHAT?
[02:13:08] WE NEED TO BE DISGUSTED WITH US
[02:13:12] THAT WE HAVE A COUNTRY THAT
[02:13:16] ALLOWS THIS KIND OF VISION, THIS KIND OF RACISM, THIS KIND OF
[02:13:19] BIGOTRY, THIS KIND OF WHITE
[02:13:21] SUPREMACY TO ENABLE THESE PEOPLE
[02:13:24] THAT ARE BILLIONAIRES AND TRILLIONAIRES AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
[02:13:28] THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT US. THEY SHOW US THAT.
[02:13:32] HOST: THAT'S CAM FROM CALIFORNIA, AN INDEPENDENT.
[02:13:36] RUSSELL, A REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING, RUSSELL. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[02:13:40] MY VOICE IS KIND OF MESSED UP.
[02:13:45] WE WOULD NEED THE I.C.E. IF IT
[02:13:48] WEREN'T FOR OPEN BORDERS. THAT COCKROACH IS TO BLAME. THANK YOU.
[02:13:51] HAVE A GOOD DAY.
[02:13:55] HOST: ANNIE FROM TAMPA, A DEMOCRAT.
[02:13:58] GOOD MORNING, ANNIE. I DIDN'T CLICK.
[02:14:01] GOOD MORNING, ANNIE. START OVER. IT'S OPEN FORUM. CALLER: OK, GOOD MORNING.
[02:14:05] YES. THE WOMAN THAT WAS REFERRING TO
[02:14:08] TRUMP EARLIER, SHE'S ABSOLUTELY
[02:14:10] RIGHT ON.
[02:14:13] I JUST WANT TO HAVE REPUBLICANS JUST GRAB A PEN.
[02:14:16] IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
[02:14:18] IF THEY COULD JUST SEARCH THE
[02:14:20] 2023 BORDER SECURITY BILL.
[02:14:23] AND SEE THAT TRUMP HAD MARGERY
[02:14:28] TAYLOR GREENE AND KEVIN MCCARTHY KILL THAT BILL.
[02:14:31] THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
[02:14:33] REPUBLICANS JUST CONTINUE TO BLAME BIDEN AND IT'S VERY, VERY
[02:14:38] SIMPLE RESEARCH.
[02:14:40] JUST SEARCH 2023 BORDER SECURITY
[02:14:44] BILL, BIPARTISAN, AND THEY CAN SEE THE TRUTH.
[02:14:48] REPUBLICANS PRETTY MUCH KNOW THIS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO
[02:14:51] CONTINUE TO STAND BY THEIR
[02:14:52] RACISM AND STAND BY THE REASON
[02:14:56] TRUMP WON WAS BECAUSE HE WON ON
[02:14:58] THE BORDER AND HE WON ON RACISM.
[02:15:03] SO EXCUSE ME. I AM OUT OF BREATH.
[02:15:06] THE ISSUE WITH THE LIVE
[02:15:08] EXECUTION, THAT PUTS HEGSETH AND
[02:15:11] TRUMP IN THE EXACT SAME CATEGORY
[02:15:13] AS THE MOST FILTHY TERRORIST
[02:15:16] GROUPS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD.
[02:15:20] HOST: THAT'S ANNIE FROM TAMPA, A DEMOCRAT.
[02:15:24] COMING UP, NATIONAL JOURNAL'S HOTLINE EDITOR KIRK BADO JOINS
[02:15:27] US TO DISCUSS THE FINAL WEEKS BEFORE THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS AND
[02:15:31] HE WILL BREAK DOWN WHICH RACES
[02:15:32] HE IS CLOSELY WATCHING.
[02:15:36] ♪
[02:15:44] >> IN A DIVIDED MEDIA WORLD, ONE
[02:15:47] PLACE BRINGS AMERICANS TOGETHER. ACCORDING TO A NEW RESEARCH
[02:15:50] REPORT, NEARLY 90 MILLION AMERICANS TURN TO C-SPAN AND
[02:15:54] THEY'RE ALMOST PERFECTLY BALANCED.
[02:15:56] 28% CONSERVATIVE, 27% LIBERAL OR
[02:15:59] PROGRESSIVE, 41% MODERATE.
[02:16:02] REPUBLICANS WATCHING DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS WATCHING REPUBLICANS,
[02:16:05] MODERATES WATCHING ALL SIDES
[02:16:07] BECAUSE C-SPAN VIEWERS WANT THE
[02:16:10] FACTS STRAIGHT FROM THE SOURCE,
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[02:16:19] >> CAMPAIGN 2026 IS UNDERWAY.
[02:16:22] THE STAKES COULDN'T BE HIGHER.
[02:16:24] EVERY CEASE IN THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IS UP
[02:16:27] FOR GRABS, ALONG WITH 33 U.S.
[02:16:30] SENATE RACES AND THE OUTCOME OF BOAT COULD RESHAPE THE BALANCE
[02:16:33] OF POWER IN WASHINGTON. VOTERS WILL DECIDE 36
[02:16:36] GUBERNATORIAL CONTESTS. FROM THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TO
[02:16:39] ELECTION NIGHT, FOLLOW CAMPAIGN
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[02:17:40] >> "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" CONTINUES. HOST: ALL RIGHT. HERE TO DISCUSS KEY MIDTERM
[02:17:43] ELECTION RACES TO WATCH IS KIRK
[02:17:46] BADO, EDITOR OF THE NATIONAL JOURNAL'S POLITICAL NEWSLETTER HOTLINE.
[02:17:50] THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.
[02:17:53] GUEST: GREAT TO BE HERE.
[02:17:56] HOST: WHAT IS YOUR OVERALL ASSESSMENT OF THE RACE TO THE
[02:17:59] MIDTERMS JUST 22 DAYS -- GUEST: WHO IS COUNTING?
[02:18:03] WHAT'S THAT BETWEEN FRIENDS HERE? THE ASSESSMENT RIGHT NOW
[02:18:07] ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSE IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT DEMOCRATS FLIP
[02:18:09] THE HOUSE BUT BY HOW MUCH. IN THE SENATE IT'S GROWN
[02:18:13] COMPETITIVE TO WHERE I WOULD SAY DEMOCRATS ARE THE SLIGHT FAVORITE.
[02:18:16] GOING IN AFTER LABOR DAY HERE
[02:18:17] WHEN THE GENERAL ELECTION SEASON
[02:18:21] STARTED, REPUBLICANS PLAYED ONE OF THEIR BIG TRUMP CARDS. THEY HAD A GREAT AD ADVANTAGE, A
[02:18:25] LOT OF CASH ON HAND. THEY LAUNCHED THIS GIANT AD BLITZ ACROSS THESE STATES TO TRY
[02:18:29] TO SALVAGE SOME OF THESE RACES
[02:18:32] AFTER POOR POLLING. NOW HERE WE ARE ABOUT 22 DAYS AWAY.
[02:18:36] ONE MONTH AWAY. REPUBLICANS ARE JUST TREADING
[02:18:40] WATER AT BEST IN SOME DEEP RED STATES.
[02:18:43] THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN SO REMARKABLE. THE BATTLE FOR THE HOUSE HAS
[02:18:47] SHIFTED OUT FROM THE SWING STATES INTO DEEPER REPUBLICAN TERRITORY.
[02:18:50] YOU CAN SEE THAT REPUBLICAN CONCERN BASED ON WHERE TRUMP
[02:18:53] WILL BE TRAVELING OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO TRY AND SHORE UP
[02:18:57] HIS CANDIDATES, PLACES LIKE OHIO, MONTANA, AREAS WHERE HE
[02:19:01] HAS NEVER STRUGGLED BUT NOW REPUBLICANS FIND THEMSELVES ON THEIR BACK FOOT.
[02:19:05] HOST: I WANT TO POINT TO SOMETHING YOU SAID WHICH IS THAT IN THE SENATE, DEMOCRATS SEEM TO
[02:19:09] BE SLIGHTLY FAVORED. GUEST: I WOULD SAY AT THIS
[02:19:12] POINT, AS WE SIT HERE, IF YOU
[02:19:14] LOOK AT THE POLLING, IF YOU LOOK
[02:19:17] AT THE AD ADVANTAGES DEMOCRATS MIGHT HAVE MORE THAN A PUNCHER'S CHANCE.
[02:19:20] I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE REALLY SCRAMBLING. THAT REALITY CAME INTO FOCUS
[02:19:24] OVER THE PAST WEEK. YOU SAW THE BIG REPUBLICAN
[02:19:28] ALIGNED GROUPS, GROUPS IN NORTH
[02:19:29] CAROLINA START WAVING THE WHITE FLAG ON WHATLEY.
[02:19:33] THE DEMOCRATIC ALIGNED SUPER P.A.C. SAID THEY'LL STOP
[02:19:37] ADVERTISING IN NORTH CAROLINA AND ALLOCATE RESOURCES IN PLACES
[02:19:40] LIKE OHIO AND IN IOWA.
[02:19:42] IF YOU LOOK AT KANSAS, TO THE
[02:19:45] POINT WHERE ADAM HALL I WILL -- HAMILTON IS LEADING MOST OF THE
[02:19:49] POLLING THERE. IN KANSAS, DEEP RED KANSAS, THEY
[02:19:52] HAVEN'T HAD A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR SINCE 1932, SINCE THE HOOVER
[02:19:56] ADMINISTRATION AND THAT IS NOW FIRMLY ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
[02:19:59] HOST: I MEAN, JUST FOR FOLKS TO RECOGNIZE, I AM SURE ALL OF OUR
[02:20:03] C-SPAN FANS ALREADY KNOW THIS,
[02:20:05] BUT JUST THREE MONTHS AGO, DEMOCRATS DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A
[02:20:08] HOPE AND A WISH FOR THE SENATE. NOW YOU ARE SAYING THEY'RE FAVORED. I WANT TO GO TO SOMETHING THAT
[02:20:12] YOU WROTE EARLIER, THE HEADLINE
[02:20:15] IS WHAT COULD GO WRONG FOR DEMOCRATS?
[02:20:19] DEMOCRATS ARE FAVORED TO WIN AT LEAST THE HOUSE BACK. PICK UP MUCH NEEDED SEATS IN THE
[02:20:22] SENATE. WHAT COULD GO WRONG FOR THEM? GUEST: WHAT I WROTE AT THE TIME
[02:20:26] WAS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A MASSIVE POLLING MISS HERE.
[02:20:29] ONE OF TRUMP'S SUPERPOWERS, THE REASON WHY HE HAS WON TWO OF THE
[02:20:32] LAST THREE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS IS HE HAS THIS INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO ACTIVATE
[02:20:36] LOW PROPENSITY VOTERS. TRUMP HAS RESHAPED THE ELECTORATE TO WHERE DEMOCRATS
[02:20:40] USED TO BE FAVORED IN THESE LOW TURNOUT -- THESE PRESIDENTIAL
[02:20:44] ELECTIONS. REPUBLICANS WERE FAVORED IN THE
[02:20:46] LOWER TURNOUT MIDTERM LEBSES. THAT'S TO LONGER THE CASE.
[02:20:51] TRUMP HAS THIS ABILITY TO TURN OUT VOTERS WHO AREN'T CAPTURED
[02:20:54] IN POLLS, WHO DON'T TRUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
[02:20:57] WHO DON'T NORMALLY PARTICIPATE IN POLITICS. YOU SAW THAT REALLY APPARENT IN
[02:21:00] THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. MY THEORY OF THE CASE WAS THAT
[02:21:03] THESE POLLSTERS ESPECIALLY IN THESE MORE RURAL AREAS BECAUSE
[02:21:06] AS WE WERE SAYING, THE BATTLE FOR THE SENATE, BATTLE FOR THE
[02:21:09] HOUSE HAS SHIFTED INTO MUCH MORE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTRY,
[02:21:13] IOWA, KANSAS, AND A LOT OF THOSE PRO-TRUMP VOTERS MIGHT BE MORE
[02:21:17] RELUCTANT TO ANSWER A POLLSTER HERE. BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE IN
[02:21:20] POLL AFTER POLL HERE IS THAT DEMOCRATS ARE JUST REALLY FIRED
[02:21:24] UP, AND REPUBLICANS EVEN WHEN THEY GET TO TALK TO THEM ARE NOT
[02:21:28] REALLY MOTIVATED TO GO OUT TO VOTE. I THINK IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE ECONOMY.
[02:21:31] THIS IS THE FIRST ELECTION IN
[02:21:33] THE TRUMP EAR A WHERE VOTERS
[02:21:36] EXPECT SHA -- EXPECT SHRUG THEIR SHOULDERS AND SAY AT LEAST HE IS
[02:21:39] GOOD ON THE ECONOMY BECAUSE HE HASN'T BEEN GOOD ON THE ECONOMY IN THE EYES OF THE VOTERS.
[02:21:43] HOST: SO LESS THAN A MONTH TO GO. LET'S ESTABLISH A PLAYING FIELDS.
[02:21:46] WHICH ARE THE RACE THAT YOU ARE KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON?
[02:21:50] GUEST: IF YOU WOULD ASKED ME A FEW MONTHS AGO IT WOULD HAVE
[02:21:53] BEEN THE TRADITIONAL SWING SEATS.
[02:21:57] WE WILL BE LOOKING AT MICHIGAN,
[02:21:59] MAINE, IOWA, KANSAS AND EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER WILL BE LOOKING
[02:22:03] AT THE TEXAS RACE AS WELL. HOST: ARE THERE ANY PLACES IN
[02:22:07] THAT LIST OF EXPANDED MAP, PLACES THAT DEMOCRATS DID NOT
[02:22:10] THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE PLAYING IN JUST THREE MONTHS AGO THAT
[02:22:13] YOU THINK THE REPUBLICANS CAN STILL EKE OUT A WIN?
[02:22:17] GUEST: I THINK KANSAS IS PROBABLY THE BEST EXAMPLE OF THAT. THAT'S ONE THAT'S COME ONLINE IN
[02:22:21] THE LAST THREE MONTHS OR SO HERE.
[02:22:23] HAMILTON IS A PASTOR IN THE JOHNSON COUNTY AREA, THE BLUEST
[02:22:28] PART OF THE STATE OUTSIDE OF KANSAS CITY.
[02:22:31] ROGER MARSHALL HAS NEVER BEEN IN
[02:22:33] A REAL COMPETITIVE RACE.
[02:22:36] JERRY MORAN WON THAT RACE BY 22 POINTS FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN HE
[02:22:39] WAS UP FOR RE-ELECTION. BUT NOW IT'S GOTTEN MORE
[02:22:43] COMPETITIVE BECAUSE MARSHALL HAS BEEN CAUGHT SLEEPING HERE.
[02:22:45] THAT'S AN AREA OF THE COUNTRY, THOSE RURAL AREAS LIKE KANSAS,
[02:22:49] IOWA, WHERE THE TARIFFS ESPECIALLY HAVE REALLY HIT VOTERS HARD.
[02:22:52] THE WAR IN IRAN WHICH HAS RAISED FUEL PRICES NOT ONLY FOR
[02:22:56] TRADITIONAL GASOLINE BUT ALSO DIESEL HAVE REALLY HIT THE FARMERS THERE.
[02:23:00] THAT'S AN AREA WHERE THE BACKLASH TO REPUBLICANS IS GROWING.
[02:23:04] AGAIN IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND KANSAS ELECTING
[02:23:07] A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1932.
[02:23:11] HOST: RIGHT, SINCE IT IS SUCH A DEEP RED REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLD.
[02:23:14] I WANT TO INVITE OUR CALLERS TO
[02:23:16] JOIN IN ON THE CONVERSATION AND
[02:23:18] GET ON THE LINE AND PEPPER KIRK WITH ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
[02:23:22] I WILL REPEAT YOUR PHONE LINES.
[02:23:25] REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE IS 202-748-8001.
[02:23:29] DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE -- 202-748-8000.
[02:23:32] INDEPENDENTS, YOUR LINE -- 202-748-8002.
[02:23:35] YOU CAN ALSO REACH US BY TEXT
[02:23:37] MESSAGE OR ON SOCIAL MEDIA. KIRK IS HERE TO ANSWER ALL OF
[02:23:41] YOUR MIDTERM QUANDARIES SO START
[02:23:45] CALLING IN NOW. WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS EXPECTED TO GO OVER THE LAST WEEK.
[02:23:49] WE HEARD TODAY HE WILL BE IN OHIO FOR JON HUSTED.
[02:23:52] TOMORROW HE WILL BE IN ALASKA
[02:23:54] FOR ONE OF THE DAN SULLIVANS.
[02:23:58] [LAUGHTER] GUEST: SENATOR DAN SULLIVAN.
[02:24:02] HOST: WE EXPECT TO SEE HIM IN MONTANA. HE IS PERHAPS GOING -- HE SAYS
[02:24:05] HE WANTS TO GO TO MICHIGAN, TO MAINE.
[02:24:08] REPUBLICANS FEEL THAT THE PRESIDENT IN A LOT OF THESE
[02:24:11] PLACES IS THEIR BEST WEAPON TO ENERGIZE THE BASE.
[02:24:14] HOW DO YOU SEE THAT GOING? GUEST: I THINK IT GOES BACK TO
[02:24:18] THE PLAN FROM THE MIDTERM CONVENTION.
[02:24:20] THE MIDTERM CONVENTION THEY HELD IN DALLAS IN AUGUST WAS NOT ABOUT PERSUASION.
[02:24:24] IT WAS ABOUT JUICE AND TURNOUT.
[02:24:27] TRADITIONALLY A NARYT POWER --
[02:24:30] PARTY IN POWER THEIR BASE IS NOT
[02:24:33] MOMENT -- MOTIVATED TO GO OUT IN POLLS. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THE BIGGEST
[02:24:36] MOATS VAITOR. DEMOCRATS IN POLL AFTER POLL
[02:24:39] HAVE SHOWN THEY ARE MUCH MORE WILLING TO VOTE.
[02:24:41] THERE WAS A PEW RESEARCH SURVEY
[02:24:44] THAT SHOWED THE DEMOCRATIC
[02:24:46] LEANING VOTERS HAVE A 20% GAP ON
[02:24:49] ENTHUSIASM OVER REPUBLICANS. THIS IS BIGGER THAN IT WAS IN 2018.
[02:24:52] SO IT'S REALLY EVIDENT FROM WHERE TRUMP IS CAMPAIGNING.
[02:24:55] YOU MENTIONED OHIO, MONTANA. HE WAS AT TENNESSEE.
[02:24:59] HE HAS BEEN TO TEXAS THREE TIMES SINCE THAT MIDTERM CONVENTION.
[02:25:03] HOST: LIKELY WILL BE BACK. GUEST: THESE ARE DEEP RED AREAS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THE
[02:25:06] PRESIDENT IS CONCERNED THAT HIS VOTERS AREN'T READY TO TURN OUT.
[02:25:10] THAT COULD REALLY CAUSE A REAL CATASTROPHE FOR THE REPUBLICANS
[02:25:13] IF THEY DON'T TURN OUT.
[02:25:14] HOST: ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT IS
[02:25:17] WEIGHING PROBABLY MOST HEAVILY
[02:25:20] IS THE IRAN WAR AND ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES THAT HAVE COME FROM
[02:25:23] THAT FOR THE PRESIDENT. HE TRUTH SOCIALED EARLIER THIS
[02:25:27] WEEK TRYING TO TAMP DOWN ON THE SPECULATION, AND HE SAYS WE WILL
[02:25:30] NOT BE ATTACKING IRAN AT ANY
[02:25:33] TIME PRIOR TO THE MIDTERM
[02:25:35] ELECTIONS TO BE HELD IN THE
[02:25:37] UNITED STATES ON NOVEMBER 3.
[02:25:40] WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT HERE? WHY DID THE PRESIDENT FEEL THE
[02:25:44] NEED TO SAY THAT? DOES THAT SAVE THE G.O.P.?
[02:25:47] GUEST: THERE WERE REPORTS HE WAS PLANNING A MAJOR ATTACK ON IRAN
[02:25:51] BEFORE THE MIDTERMS. WITH TRUMP HE NEVER DOES ANYTHING SUBTLE.
[02:25:54] HIS I AM NOT GOING TO ATTACK
[02:25:57] IRAN T-SHIRT IS ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
[02:25:59] I THINK IT'S TO TRY TO ASSUAGE
[02:26:02] OIL MARKETS HERE THAT AT LEAST
[02:26:05] FOR NOW AS WE SIT HERE 22 DAYS
[02:26:07] OUT THAT THERE WILL BE SOME STEADY SUPPLY CHAIN, THERE WON'T
[02:26:10] BE ANY MORE SURPRISE ATTACKS. BUT THIS IS KIND OF PART AND
[02:26:13] PARCEL WHERE TRUMP IS THROWING HAIL MARY AFTER HAIL MARY RIGHT NOW.
[02:26:17] I THINK THIS PAST WEEK ESPECIALLY AMONG THE REPUBLICAN
[02:26:20] STRATEGISTS I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO, THE REALITY HAS SET IN THAT
[02:26:24] THEY'RE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE RIGHT NOW AND THAT THE BEST THING THEY CAN DO IS STOP THE
[02:26:28] BLEEDING. HOST: TALKING ABOUT STOPPING THE
[02:26:31] BLEEDING, THE REPUBLICANS EARLIER THIS WEEK ANNOUNCED THEY
[02:26:33] WERE PUTTING $A MILLION -- $5
[02:26:37] MILLION INTO SOUTH CAROLINA WHEN IT COMES TO THE GENERAL ELECTION
[02:26:40] BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A STRONGHOLDS FOR THE REPUBLICANS. THAT DEBATE TOOK PLACE LAST
[02:26:44] NIGHT, PRETTY FIERY. WHAT WERE YOUR TAKEAWAYS?
[02:26:47] GUEST: REPUBLICANS REALLY HAVE A CANDIDATE ISSUE THERE.
[02:26:49] YOU SAW IT REALLY APPARENT IN
[02:26:53] THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR THAT SPECIAL ELECTION SEAT, DARLINE
[02:26:56] GRAHAM, SISTER OF THE LATE SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM.
[02:27:00] SHE'S NOT SOUGHT AFTER PUBLIC OFFICE BEFORE. SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MORE OF A
[02:27:04] CARETAKER FOR THIS SEAT. TRUMP AND OTHER REPUBLICANS SAID
[02:27:07] YOU SHOULD BE THE PER NENT SENATOR. SHE DECIDED TO RUN FOR IT.
[02:27:11] LOOK, IT'S A BIG ASK TO BE PUT
[02:27:13] OUT LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY IN A COMPETITIVE SENATE RACE THAT IS
[02:27:17] GETTING INCREASINGLY COMPETITIVE ALL THE TIME. SHE'S SOMEONE WHO SUSPECT
[02:27:20] NECESSARILY AS POLISHED ON THE
[02:27:23] DEBATE STAGE, NOT AS POLISHED IN
[02:27:25] HER INTERACTIONS, THE RETAIL POLITICS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT
[02:27:29] IN A PLACE LIKE SOUTH CAROLINA. I THINK THAT CANDIDATE QUALITY
[02:27:32] ISSUE IS CAUSING REPUBLICANS TO RE-EVALUATE THEIR SPENDING.
[02:27:36] THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE STORY OF REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE MAP
[02:27:39] THROUGHOUT THE CYCLE, CANDIDATE QUALITY ISSUES MAKING THEM WRITE A CHECK.
[02:27:43] LOOK NO FURTHER THAN TEXAS WHERE KEN PAXTON'S NOMINATION HAS COST
[02:27:47] THE REPUBLICANS ABOUT $200 MILLION TRYING TO BAIL HIM OUT. HOST: THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING
[02:27:51] TO ASK YOU NEXT BEFORE WE TURN TO PHONE CALLS. STAY WITH US.
[02:27:54] KEN PAXTON IS RUNNING AGAINST DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE JAMES TALARICO.
[02:27:58] HE WAS UP 6 PERCENTAGE POINTS
[02:28:03] IN ONE OF THE SURVEYS. GUEST: I THINK JAMES TALARICO IS
[02:28:06] THE SLIGHT FAVORITE THERE. I HAVE A LOT OF FLASH BACKS FROM
[02:28:10] WHEN WAYS A HOUSE REPORTER COVERING THE DEMOCRATIC PUSH
[02:28:14] AFTER ORR ROWRK'S OVERPERFORMANCE IN 23013.
[02:28:17] DEMOCRATS THOUGHT THEY WOULD FLIP FIVE, SEVEN HOUSE SEATS IN
[02:28:20] TEXAS AND THEY WON'T OH-FER THERE. I THINK THIS ONE IS A UNIQUE
[02:28:24] COMBINATION OF A FAVORABLE NATIONAL POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT
[02:28:26] WHERE THE WINDS ARE AT THEIR BACK.
[02:28:29] THE VIEWS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE PRESIDENT ARE LOW
[02:28:32] FOR VOTERS, COMBINED WITH A
[02:28:34] REALLY KIND OF TOXIC CANDIDATE
[02:28:36] IN KEN PAXTON, WHO HAS LADEN
[02:28:40] WITH PERM AND PROFESSIONAL ISSUES AND HE IS NOT A GOOD
[02:28:44] CAMPAIGNER. HE DOESN'T RAISE MONEY. HE DOESN'T HIT THE STUMP VERY WELL.
[02:28:47] HE REFUSES -- HASN'T DEBATED
[02:28:49] JAMES TALARICO AT ALL, DIDN'T
[02:28:51] DEBATE JOHN CORE ANYONE -- CORNYN EITHER. THIS IS A REPUBLICAN MESS
[02:28:54] COMPLETELY OF THE PRESIDENT'S MAKING. THIS IS A $200 MILLION CHECK
[02:28:58] THAT THEY DID NOT THINK ABOUT HAVING TO WRITE WHEN THE CYCLE
[02:29:01] FIRST STARTED TWO YEARS AGO. HOST: I HEAR YOU ON KEN PAXTON.
[02:29:05] I THINK REPUBLICANS WRIT LARGE GRIT THEIR TEETH WHEN THE PRESIDENT MADE THE DECISION TO
[02:29:09] ENDORSE KEN PAXTON OVER JOHN
[02:29:12] KOARNEN -- CORNYN. JOHN CORNYN HASN'T BEEN
[02:29:16] PARTICULARLY HELPFUL TO THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE AT THIS MOMENT.
[02:29:20] BUT ALSO TALARICO IS HAVING HIS OWN SORT OF SCANDAL RIGHT NOW
[02:29:23] AFTER HIS 12-DAY ABSENCE, I AM
[02:29:26] LOOKING AT A CNN ARTICLE. IT SAYS TALARICO'S 12-DAY
[02:29:29] ABSENCE FROM THE TRAIL BECOMES
[02:29:31] FODDER FOR G.O.P. IN TEXAS SENATE RACE.
[02:29:35] HE SAID THAT HE HAD THE FLU, BUT
[02:29:37] HOW DOES HIS ABSENCE AND THE RUMORS THAT HAVE SURROUNDED
[02:29:41] ABOUT ABSENCE AND THE
[02:29:42] RUMORS THAT NOW SURROUND ABOUT
[02:29:46] WHERE HE WAS, EVEN THOUGH HIS CAMPAIGN HAS THAT HE HAD THE
[02:29:47] FLU, HOW DOES HIS ABSENCE
[02:29:52] IMPACT HIS CAMPAIGN? GUEST: THERE ARE A LOT OF
[02:29:55] CONSPIRACY THEORIES FROM MAGA,
[02:29:57] SOCIAL MEDIA LEADERS.
[02:30:00] IN ORDER FOR A DEMOCRAT TO WIN TEXAS, YOU REALLY DO NEED TO PITCH A PERFECT CANDIDATE.
[02:30:06] EVERYTHING HAS BEEN WORKING HIS WAY SO FAR. HE'S GOT THE FUNDRAISING ADVANTAGE.
[02:30:10] HE'S GOT THE OPPONENT HE WOULD WANT. NOW I THINK HE NEEDS TO GO OUT
[02:30:14] AND DO, IF I WORK JAMES TALARICO, I WOULD DO A BIG
[02:30:19] BARNSTORMING EFFORT ALL OVER TEXAS, BE AS PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE,
[02:30:23] BE OUT THERE, DEMANDED TO BECOME
[02:30:24] DO EVERY TV INTERVIEW, DO EVERY
[02:30:29] STATE FAIR, HAVE PICTURES OF HIM
[02:30:34] WRITING EVERY RIDE AT THE TEXAS STATE FAIR RIGHT NOW.
[02:30:38] HOST: THIS IS PART OF THE
[02:30:41] PROBLEM, PEOPLE FELT LIKE TALARICO'S CAMPAIGN WAS NOT AS
[02:30:45] TRANSPARENT ON WHERE HE WAS IN HIS SICKNESS AS THEY HAD PERHAPS HOPED HIM TO BE, ESPECIALLY
[02:30:50] AFTER THE MITCH MCCONNELL OF IT
[02:30:56] ALL. HOW MUCH OF THIS IS AN ISSUE?
[02:31:02] GUEST:GUEST: I THINK IT IS AN INCREASING CONVERSATION COULD WE GO BACK TO MAYBE EVEN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS IN THE
[02:31:06] PASSED, ABOUT FORMER VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES BEING MORE OPEN ABOUT SOME OF THEIR
[02:31:09] MENTAL HEALTH STRUGGLES, AND FOLKS STRUGGLING TO SQUARE THEM.
[02:31:13] IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE LIKE JOHN FETTERMAN, WHO A FEW YEARS AGO
[02:31:17] WAS TAKING A LOT OF SCRUTINY FOR HOW HE WAS RECOVERING FROM A
[02:31:20] STROKE DURING HIS SENATE RACE, TOO.
[02:31:24] I THINK THERE'S A TASTE IN
[02:31:25] DEMOCRATS' MOUTH WITH A LITTLE
[02:31:30] BUYER'S REMORSE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE SEEN THROUGHOUT THIS CYCLE IS INCREASED SCRUTINY ON
[02:31:34] CANDIDATES. YOU HAVE A 14-POINT LOSS THIS
[02:31:41] CYCLE. ESPECIALLY IN THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, WHERE AGE WAS THE ISSUE, RIGHT? THINK ABOUT REPRESENTATIVE
[02:31:45] LARSEN OF IN CONNECTICUT, WHO
[02:31:47] THE DEMOCRAT WHO BEAT HIM THERE
[02:31:51] WAS RUNNING A CHANGE PLATFORM,
[02:31:52] SAME IN DENVER, COLORADO.
[02:31:57] THE POLICIES ARE THE SAME COMMIT JUST HOW EFFICIENT YOU
[02:31:59] CAN BE WHEN YOU ARE 70 YEARS OLD, 80 YEARS OLD.
[02:32:02] I THINK THAT WILL PLAY OUT IN 2028 AS WELL, ESPECIALLY IN THE
[02:32:05] DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.
[02:32:06] HOST: LET'S GET TO SOME CALLS, PAUL IN MASSACHUSETTS.
[02:32:10] GOOD MORNING. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[02:32:13] AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. ONE OF THE WAY THINGS ABOUT THIS
[02:32:18] ELECTION, WE TALK ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE ECONOMY.
[02:32:20] ANYBODY THAT THINKS THE DEMOCRATS WILL IMPROVE THE
[02:32:24] ECONOMY HAVE ROCKS IN THEIR HEAD. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THE
[02:32:27] DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT SUGGESTS THAT THEY CAN DO ANYTHING TO
[02:32:31] IMPROVE THE ECONOMY, AND THAT IS
[02:32:35] THE ISSUE IN THE POLITICS RIGHT NOW. GUEST: I THINK PAUL KIND OF HIT
[02:32:38] ON THE HEAD THERE, WHAT, HOW
[02:32:42] CRAZY THIS CYCLE HAS BEEN, WHEN
[02:32:47] REPUBLICANS USUALLY PULL MUCH MORE STRONGLY ON THE ECONOMY.
[02:32:50] WHEN YOU ASK WHICH PARTY DO
[02:32:53] TRUST ON THE ECONOMY, REPUBLICANS HAVE WON FOR MANY YEARS.
[02:32:56] WHEN YOU LOOK AT GALLUP, PEW, WHEN VOTERS ARE ASKED, WHO DO
[02:33:00] YOU TRUST ON THE ECONOMY, DEMOCRATS COME IF THEY DON'T
[02:33:04] HAVE A SLIGHT EDGE, OR AT LEAST MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE THAN THEY
[02:33:08] WERE IN PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THE POLL.
[02:33:12] ANTRON HAS DONE A LOT OF THAT, WHETHER IT IS THE WAR IN IRAN,
[02:33:14] FUEL PRICES, VOTERS ARE FEELING A LOT OF STRESS THAT WE ARE
[02:33:18] STILL SEEING WITH REPUBLICANS ON THE ECONOMY. THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING
[02:33:22] THEY THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A
[02:33:25] PLAN TO GET US OUT OF THIS
[02:33:28] TOUGHER ECONOMIC OUTLOOK RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY KNOW REPUBLICANS, WHEN THEY HAVE KEYS TO THE CAR,
[02:33:32] THEY ARE SORTING ALL OVER THE ROAD. HOST: PEARL FROM WASHINGTON, A DEMOCRAT.
[02:33:38] -- EARL FROM WASHINGTON, A DEMOCRAT.
[02:33:42] CALLER: WHAT I'M WONDERING IS,
[02:33:44] WITH ALL OF THE HATE, WITH ALL
[02:33:48] OF THE NEGATIVITY THAT IS GOING
[02:33:50] ON IN THE PUBLIC ARENA TO DATE,
[02:33:55] LOOK WHAT HE'S DOING WITH
[02:33:57] HOMELAND SECURITY, WITH ALL OF
[02:34:01] THE INDICATORS THAT THE COUNTRY
[02:34:02] IS GOING OFF THE RAILS, HOW DO
[02:34:07] REPUBLICANS JUSTIFY ANY EFFORT
[02:34:14] TO? HELP THIS GUY?
[02:34:15] GUEST: I THINK THAT IS A
[02:34:19] QUESTION REPUBLICANS ARE STRUGGLING WITH RIGHT NOW. HOW MUCH TO RUN WITH THE
[02:34:22] PRESIDENT VERSUS HOW MUCH TO PUT DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THEM RIGHT NOW.
[02:34:25] THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER HAVE THEIR NATIONAL SURVEY OUT THIS WEEK THAT SHOWS TRUMP AT THE
[02:34:30] LOWEST APPROVAL RATING AT HIS SECOND TERM.
[02:34:34] I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF WE GET BELOW THAT 30% MARK AS WELL.
[02:34:38] THE PRESIDENT IS INCREDIBLY UNPOPULAR, AND VOTERS WANT A CHANGE.
[02:34:41] MIDTERM ELECTIONS YEARS, THE
[02:34:44] REFERENDUM ON THE PODIUM POWER. THIS ELECTION A PARTICULAR IS A
[02:34:47] REFERENDUM ON THE MAN IN POWER,
[02:34:48] AND VOTERS ARE UPSET WITH TRUMP.
[02:34:52] HOST: FRANK, AN INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
[02:34:58] SO, YOUR TONE, SIR, SEEMS TO
[02:35:04] BE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS ARE DOING
[02:35:08] PRETTY GOOD IN THE POLLING.
[02:35:09] YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN TRUST THE
[02:35:13] POLLING ANYMORE.
[02:35:17] WE SAW BACK IN 2016, NOBODY
[02:35:19] THOUGHT TRUMP WOULD WIN, AND HE DID.
[02:35:23] I VOTED THE FIRST TIME IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 1976,
[02:35:26] SO I HAVE BEEN AROUND A WHILE. [LAUGHS]
[02:35:31] AND I THINK IT IS ONE OF THE MOST COMFORT GATED TIMES WE ARE LIVING IN RIGHT NOW, FOR A
[02:35:35] COUPLE OF REASONS, IF I MAY.
[02:35:37] SO YOU HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, 10
[02:35:40] YEARS OF AUTHORITATIVE TRUNK,
[02:35:45] TOUGH GUY, RIGHT WING STEPH COMMANDED'S ALL OVER THE WORLD, REALLY.
[02:35:48] I JUST READ ABOUT IN GERMANY,
[02:35:53] INCIDENTS OF AUTHORITATIVE THINGS.
[02:35:56] ONE OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT IS HAPPENING TODAY THAT WAS NEVER THERE IS A I. THAT IS HUGE.
[02:36:02] AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE LIKE ELON
[02:36:04] MUSK AND PETER THIEL, WHO I
[02:36:08] HAVE NO TRUST IN THEM WHATSOEVER FOR WHAT THEY CAN DO IS BEYOND IMAGINATION.
[02:36:12] THEN YOU'VE GOT THE MIDDLE EAST SITUATION, WHICH IS VERY
[02:36:16] STRANGE, BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY,
[02:36:20] THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN VERY PRO-ISRAEL, AND NOW NOT SO MUCH SOAP DID IN FACT, I'VE BEEN
[02:36:23] READING SO MANY
[02:36:29] REPUBLICAN-BASED, FOX NEWS STUFF
[02:36:30] WHERE REPUBLICANS SEEM TO BE SO PRO ISRAEL, WHICH IS TO BE
[02:36:34] ALMOST LIKE A JOKE IN A WAY.
[02:36:40] , YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER THAT PRO ISRAEL.
[02:36:42] HOST: ALL RIGHT, I WILL SEE IF
[02:36:47] YOU CAN GET YOUR QUESTION AND FOR KIRK.
[02:36:48] CALLER: WELL, MY QUESTION IS
[02:36:52] COME ALL THIS RESEARCH THE GOVERNMENT HAS DONE, AND HE IS
[02:36:55] SAYING THE POLL IS INDICATING DEMOCRATS. BUT I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THE
[02:36:59] PUBLIC -- MY QUESTION IS, I THINK THE PUBLIC IS SO CONFUSED,
[02:37:01] AND I'M WONDERING IF WE, YOU
[02:37:03] KNOW, CAN HAVE ANY STAKE IN ANY
[02:37:06] KIND OF -- FAITH IN ANY KIND OF
[02:37:12] POLLS.
[02:37:13] GUEST: FAITH IN THE POLLS HAS
[02:37:17] BEEN A MAJOR QUESTION EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN COVERING POLITICS, 10 YEARS AGO NOW.
[02:37:21] I THINK WHAT WE ARE SEEING IT AS
[02:37:24] IT IS SO DIFFICULT TO MODEL A
[02:37:27] PRESIDENT OR OUTCOME WITH TRUMP ON THE BALLOT, BECAUSE HE ACTIVATES VOTERS THAT ARE NOT IN
[02:37:32] THE TRADITIONAL POLLING MET HERE. WHAT I LIKE TO SEE WHAT I'M
[02:37:34] LOOKING AT HOLES HERE IS ONLY
[02:37:36] CERTAIN ONES ARE, CNN, PEW
[02:37:44] RESEARCH, THE BIPARTISAN FOX NEWS POLL, THE AARP POLL, THE
[02:37:47] NBC POLLING, THE BIPARTISAN ONE.
[02:37:49] AND I THINK THOSE HAVE UPDATED THEIR METHODOLOGY TO CAPTURE
[02:37:52] THIS ELECTORATE HERE A LOT BETTER. YOU HAVE A LOT OF JUNK POLLS OUT
[02:37:57] HERE THAT ARE A DIME A DOZEN, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY PAY MUCH
[02:38:00] ATTENTION TO OVER AT "HOTLINE,"
[02:38:02] BUT ALL OF THESE GOLDSTAR POSTERS ARE POINTING AT THE SAME
[02:38:05] DIRECTION RIGHT NOW, AND THAT IS
[02:38:09] DEMOCRATS. IN MY SAYING THERE'S NOT ANY ERROR? OF COURSE THERE IS.
[02:38:13] BUT I DON'T THING THE MAGNITUDE WILL BE ON A 2016 LEVELS, FOR A
[02:38:17] NUMBER OF FACTORS. HOST: I WANT TO POINT TO, SINCE
[02:38:22] WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TEXAS, FOR A DEMOCRAT TO WIN IN TEXAS, TEXAS HAS TO BECOME NEW JERSEY.
[02:38:27] NOT HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON.
[02:38:30] BUT THIS RACE IS CAUSING ANXIETY FOR REPUBLICANS. HOW MUCH ANXIETY?
[02:38:33] GUEST: IT ABSOLUTELY IS. THEY ARE INVESTING OVER $200
[02:38:37] MILLION IN THIS RACE, NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK IT WILL BE COMPETITIVE.
[02:38:41] YOU DON'T PUT ALMOST A QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS INTO A RATE
[02:38:45] BECAUSE YOU THINK IT IS SAFE AND SOUND.
[02:38:48] IT'S INTERESTING, COMPARING THAT TO NEW JERSEY, BECAUSE NEW JERSEY AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL
[02:38:51] IN 2024, SAW ONE OF THE BIGGEST
[02:38:55] WINGS TOWARD TRUMP AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL.
[02:38:57] THAT WAS IN PART BECAUSE OF THE LARGE HISPANIC POPULATION IN NEW JERSEY.
[02:39:01] THAT WAS THE EXTREME VOTERS IN THAT ELECTION. YOU SAW THE SAME TYPE OF DRUGS
[02:39:04] OVER IN TEXAS AS WELL, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTHERN TEXAS,
[02:39:08] THE LAREDO AREA, THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY OVER THERE.
[02:39:13] BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS SURVEYS AND REPORTING ON THE
[02:39:16] GROUND IS THAT OF SAME HISPANIC
[02:39:18] VOTERS WHO CAUSED THAT GREAT SWING IN NEW JERSEY, CAUSED THAT
[02:39:22] BIG SWING IN TEXAS, THEY ARE
[02:39:24] REALLY SOURING ON THE PRESIDENT.
[02:39:27] THEY ARE THE ONES HIT HARDEST BY ECONOMIC POLICIES, AND THEY ARE EITHER NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM
[02:39:31] OR THEY ARE GOING TO CROSS THE AISLE AND VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS,
[02:39:35] BECAUSE THEY WANT SOME SORT OF CHANGE RIGHT NOW. HISPANIC VOTERS ARE THE SWING VOTERS.
[02:39:38] HOST: IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE
[02:39:42] ANTI-63 ON TWITTER SAYS I DON'T SEE ANY REPUBLICAN NOT VOTING FOR THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE.
[02:39:45] THEY MAY SAY THEY ARE NOT, BUT
[02:39:47] WHEN IT COMES TO THE ELECTION DAY, THEY WILL PULL THE LEVER
[02:39:50] FOR THE PERSON WITH ER BEHIND HER NAME. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT PHILOSOPHY
[02:39:54] IT IS ALL ABOUT THE R, PERIOD.
[02:39:59] BUT HISPANIC VOTERS IN A 2024 ELECTION SHOW THEMSELVES TO BE SWING VOTERS.
[02:40:02] GUEST: THEY DID VOTE FOR
[02:40:06] REPUBLICANS, THEY DID PULL THE
[02:40:07] REPUBLICAN LEVER, BUT THESE ARE
[02:40:12] NOT DIEHARD, FOR YOUR BUSH, ROMNEY, MCCAIN, TRUMP VOTERS HERE.
[02:40:15] THEY ARE THE SWING VOTERS, THEY ARE THE ONES MOST DIRECTLY
[02:40:19] IMPACTED BY TRUMP IMMIGRATION POLICIES, IMPACTED BY TRUMP'S
[02:40:23] ECONOMIC POLICIES. WHEN YOU ARE IN SOMEWHERE LIKE FLORIDA, FOR EXAMPLE,
[02:40:26] CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS IN AND
[02:40:28] AROUND MIAMI FOR MARIA SALAZAR, WHO SHE JUST CUT AND OUT A FEW
[02:40:32] WEEKS AGO, DIRECT TO CAMERA, TALKING TO PRESIDENT TRUMP,
[02:40:35] SAYING THAT YOUR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT METHODS ARE TOO HARSH.
[02:40:38] YOU ARE SWEEPING UP INNOCENT
[02:40:42] FAMILIES IN THIS DRAGNET IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT, AND MY CONSTITUENTS ARE CONCERNED.
[02:40:47] THIS IS A REPUBLICAN IN A SAY THAT TRUMP CARRIED BY OVER 15
[02:40:50] POINTS GOING DIRECT TO CAMERA
[02:40:52] SAYING "TRUMP HAS GONE TOO FAR." THAT IS KIND OF THE BATTLEFIELD WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW.
[02:40:59] A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN HAS TO PLEAD WITH TRUMP ON CAMERA TO
[02:41:03] TONE IT DOWN. HOST: I THINK THIS IS A
[02:41:06] SIGNIFICANT ISSUE, BUT FIRST, I
[02:41:08] WANT TO INVITE OUR CALLERS TO JOIN IN ON THE CONVERSATION.
[02:41:12] KIRK BADO FROM THE NATIONAL
[02:41:16] JOURNAL "HOTLINE" IS HERE,
[02:41:21] ANSWERING ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
[02:41:25] WE CAN GO DISTRICT BY DISTRICT, SO START CALLING IN FOR IT I WILL REPEAT YOUR PHONE LINES.
[02:41:29] REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001. DEMOCRATS, (202) 748-8000.
[02:41:34] AN INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
[02:41:39] START CALLING AND NOW COULD WE WILL TURN BACK TO YOUR CALLS IN ONES SECOND FIT I WANT TO TALK
[02:41:44] ABOUT TEXAS HOUSE DISTRICT 35, 2
[02:41:46] LATINO CANDIDATES, GARCIA
[02:41:53] AND DE LA CRUZ IN THE NEWLY
[02:41:56] REDISTRICTING MAP.
[02:42:02] ONE, ARE YOU SEEING THE SAME THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT,
[02:42:05] SWING VOTERS COME IMPACT ON IMMIGRATION, THE ECONOMY, ARE THEY ALL PLAYING OUT ON THIS IMPORTANT DISTRICT RIGHT NOW?
[02:42:09] GUEST: YEAH. AND HAS BEEN MY TIPPING POINT
[02:42:14] DISTRICT, WHERE THE TEXANS OVER DREW THE LINES OF SO MUCH THAT
[02:42:17] IT WAS NOT AS COMPETITIVE AS IT NEEDED TO BE, AND IN FACT THE
[02:42:20] OTHER PARTY WINS IT.
[02:42:23] TEXAS REPUBLICANS REDREW FIVE DISTRICTS. I WAS A MIDPOINT, IT IS PROBABLY
[02:42:27] FAVORED IN THE TWO OF THEM, THE
[02:42:28] OTHER THREE, THE ONE HELD BY --
[02:42:33] THERE ARE TWO OTHERS IN SOUTH TEXAS WE ARE LOOKING AT AS WELL
[02:42:35] HELD BY DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENTS,
[02:42:38] BUT THE ONE IN TEXAS 35 REDRAWING FROM A STATE
[02:42:41] DEMOCRATIC SEAT TO NOW
[02:42:43] THAT IS TRUMP LAST 10 OR SO, BASED ON THE 2024 RESULTS, KIND
[02:42:46] OF A HIGH WATER MARK.
[02:42:49] THE DEMOCRAT IS JOHNNY GARCIA, A
[02:42:54] FORMER SHERIFF.
[02:42:56] CARLOS DE LA CRUZ IS THE BROTHER OF MONICA DE LA CRUZ, THE OTHER CONGRESSWOMAN FROM TEXAS.
[02:43:00] IT WILL BE A COMPETITIVE RACE
[02:43:02] FROM BOTH PARTIES, HEAVILY IN
[02:43:05] THE SAN ANTONIO CP NOTHING OF DEMOCRATS WIN THIS ONE, WHICH I THINK AT THIS POINT THEY HAVE A
[02:43:09] CHANCE TO DO, THEN THE WHOLE
[02:43:14] GERRYMANDERING EFFORT IN TEXAS WOULD HAVE COMPLETELY OF
[02:43:19] THAT HOST: AT THIS POINT, 59% OF LATINO VOTERS DISAPPROVE OF
[02:43:22] TRUMP, SAYING THEY USE THAT 2024
[02:43:26] MAP. OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A MISMATCH.
[02:43:30] GUEST: I WOULD MUCH RATHER BE
[02:43:34] JOHNNY GARCIA THAN CARLOS DE LA CRUZ RIGHT NOW.
[02:43:36] HOST: ALL RIGHT, TOMMY FROM CAPE
[02:43:42] CANAVERAL, FLORIDA. TELL ME HOW TO PRONOUNCE THAT.
[02:43:44] CALLER: CAPE CANAVERAL.
[02:43:47] HOST: OK, I DID PRONOUNCE IT RIGHT.
[02:43:55] GO AHEAD, TONY CALLER:.
[02:44:00] I AM AN INDEPENDENT. I LEAN LIBERTARIAN. I HEAR EVERYBODY SAYING THAT THE
[02:44:04] REPUBLICANS ARE DOING TERRIBLE, AND I ARE THE SOLUTION, BUT I
[02:44:07] WILL REMIND PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WITH THE DEMOCRATS GAVE
[02:44:09] US WHEN WE HAD JOE BIDEN, THE
[02:44:12] CORRUPTION, THE ECONOMY, THE
[02:44:15] MANDATES, THE COVID ISSUES, I MEAN, THEY WERE HORRENDOUS.
[02:44:18] SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE
[02:44:21] REMEDY TO THE CURRENT SITUATION IS VOTING DEMOCRAT.
[02:44:25] I THINK IT IS INSANE. I THINK THE TWO PARTY NEEDS TO STOP.
[02:44:28] WE NEED TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAT
[02:44:33] NEEDS TO RUN IN THIS COUNTRY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO HEADS TO THE SAME STATE.
[02:44:37] IF BOTH PARTIES HAVE SHOWN THEIR
[02:44:39] TROOP COLORS, WHEN BOTH ARE IN POWER, AND THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT,
[02:44:43] AND THEY HAVE NO CONCERNS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
[02:44:47] ENRICHING THEMSELVES, EMPOWERING THEMSELVES, AND JUST GETTING THEMSELVES ELECTED.
[02:44:50] THAT IS ALL THEY DO. AND THEY USE OUR POLITICS TO
[02:44:52] DIVIDE US. PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP IN THIS COUNTRY AND REALIZE WHAT IS
[02:44:56] REALLY GOING ON. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. GUEST: I WAS GOING TO SAY TO
[02:45:00] THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF
[02:45:04] SWING THAT WE HAVE EVERY FEW CYCLES IS KIND OF TRUE HERE.
[02:45:07] IN THE LAST SIX ELECTION CYCLES HAVE BEEN A CHANGE ELECTION CAN
[02:45:11] EITHER OF THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, OR THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE CHANGED HANDS.
[02:45:14] I WOULD SAY WE ARE CERTAINLY ON
[02:45:16] TRACK FOR ON PRESIDENT
[02:45:20] SENATE ELECTION CYCLE -- UNPRECEDENTED AND SENATE ELECTION CYCLE COULD WE'VE NEVER
[02:45:23] SEEN A CHANGE LIKE THAT IN HISTORY.
[02:45:28] THE SWINGS FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SO
[02:45:30] STRONG IN EITHER DIRECTION.
[02:45:35] I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT THAT CALLER WAS REFERRING TO IS THROUGHOUT THE ELECTORATE.
[02:45:39] 14 INCUMBENTS USING THE ELECTION
[02:45:45] , AND THERE IS A VAGUE,
[02:45:49] FESTERING, ANTI-INCUMBENT AND
[02:45:49] ANTI-STATUS QUO FEELING THROUGH
[02:45:54] THE ELECTORATE RIGHT NOW THAT I THINK WILL HELP DEMOCRATS COME NOVEMBER.
[02:45:59] WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT IS GOING TO BE THE OPEN QUESTION.
[02:46:01] HOST: MARIO FROM PERU, ILLINOIS
[02:46:05] SAYS, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE STRENGTH OF THE DEMOCRATS'
[02:46:09] MESSAGING AND ABILITY TO BRING OUT NEW VOTERS? GUEST: WHEN I THINK IS SO
[02:46:12] INTERESTING IS IF YOU LOOK AT 2018, TRUMPS MIDTERM AND THE
[02:46:16] LAST BLUE WAVE, DEMOCRATS SLIPPED ABOUT 41 SEATS OR SO,
[02:46:20] THINK THE HOUSE, AND THAT WAS ALL ABOUT HEALTH CARE. THEIR WHOLE MESSAGING WAS ABOUT HEALTH CARE.
[02:46:25] TRUMP WAS KIND OF BACKGROUND NOISE TO ALL OF THAT.
[02:46:27] THIS TIME, THOUGH, TRUMP IS
[02:46:30] FRONT AND CENTER, IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU'RE IN A BLUE PLUS
[02:46:34] 30 SEAT OR AN 4 PLUS 15 SEAT, IT
[02:46:42] SPEAKS TO HOW UNPOPULAR HE IS AND HOW ECONOMIC POLICIES OF IMPACTED VOTERS.
[02:46:46] YOU ARE SEEING TRUMP BECOMING THE MAIN CHARACTER OF THESE MIDTERMS IN A WAY THAT HE WAS
[02:46:50] NOT EVEN DURING THE BLUE WAVE. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING
[02:46:53] IS IT IS NOT SO MUCH DEMOCRATS SAYING WHAT THEY ARE FOR, IT IS
[02:46:56] WHAT THEY ARE AGAINST, AND WHAT
[02:46:58] THEY ARE AGAINST IS THE STATUS QUO, WHAT THEY ARE AGAINST IS
[02:47:01] TRUMP AND THIS CURRENT ECONOMIC SITUATION. WHAT ARE THE SOLUTIONS FOR IT?
[02:47:05] TONIGHT AFTER NOVEMBER.
[02:47:06] HOST: DONNA FROM MICHIGAN, A
[02:47:10] DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. GUEST: GOOD MORNING.
[02:47:12] CALLER: I JUST HAVE A COMMENT ON
[02:47:16] WHAT IS GOING ON IN MICHIGAN.
[02:47:20] JOHN'S POLICIES ARE DESTROYING OUR FARMERS, OUR AGGIE INDUSTRY,
[02:47:24] OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CANADA, AND PEOPLE ARE JUST DONE WITH
[02:47:26] HIM HERE.
[02:47:29] THAT'S JUST A COMMENT, AND I'M GOING TO HANG UP AND LISTEN. THANK YOU.
[02:47:32] GUEST: WELL, MICHIGAN IS ONE OF
[02:47:37] THOSE RACES, ESPECIALLY ON THE HOUSE AND THAT IS, BUT I WILL BE
[02:47:40] WATCHING VERY CLOSELY. MIKE ROGERS, THE REPUBLICAN
[02:47:44] NOMINEE, HE'S RUNNING AGAINST
[02:47:47] ABDUL EL-SAYED RIGHT NOW, AND HE ACKNOWLEDGES JUST HOW BAD TRUMPS POLICIES ARE.
[02:47:50] HE CAME OUT WITH DEMANDING AN
[02:47:54] END TO THE WAR AND HE RAN. HE JUST RELEASED A COMMERCIAL RECENTLY, ALL ABOUT THE CANADIAN
[02:47:58] TARIFFS.
[02:48:00] HIM DRINKING A LABLAT, A
[02:48:07] CANADIAN BEER THAT IS ACTUALLY BREWED IN NEW YORK. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TARIFFS
[02:48:10] WILL IN FACT THAT, BUT THESE ARE STATES THAT TRUMP WON, AND NOW
[02:48:13] THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO
[02:48:17] CLEAR THEMSELVES FROM TRUMP.
[02:48:19] HOST: LET'S LISTEN TO THAT AD
[02:48:23] FROM MIKE ROGERS, MICHIGAN SENATE NOMINEE, SOMETHING
[02:48:26] OBVIOUSLY TO THAT CALLER'S POINT
[02:48:29] HAS BEEN A BIG PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
[02:48:32] ♪ >> DRINKING A LABLATT AND
[02:48:36] WATCHING THE RED WINGS DOES NOT GET MORE MICHIGAN THAN THAT.
[02:48:40] WE NEED TO END THIS TARIFF WORN
[02:48:46] OUT. I WILL BRING BOTH PARTIES TOGETHER TO LOWER YOUR PRICES.
[02:48:49] THAT IS JOB NUMBER ONE HIT ABDUL, HE WANTS TO HIT MICHIGAN FAMILIES WITH A $3000 TAX
[02:48:54] INCREASE, THE BIGGEST IN HISTORY.
[02:48:57] I MIKE ROGERS, AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE BECAUSE I WILL ACTUALLY PUT DOLLARS BACK IN YOUR POCKET.
[02:49:00] HOST: SO THAT WAS A MIKE ROGERS,
[02:49:05] THE SENATE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IN MICHIGAN. OBVIOUSLY HE IS RUNNING A TIGHT
[02:49:08] RACE AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC
[02:49:12] SENATE CANDIDATE, ABDUL EL-SAYED
[02:49:15] NEED, WHO RELEASED AN AD LINKING HIS OPPONENT, MIKE ROGERS, TWO HIGH GAS PRICES.
[02:49:19] LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO PART OF THAT AT HERE. [VIDEO CLIP]
[02:49:21] MR. EL-SAYED: COSTING THE
[02:49:25] AVERAGE TRUCK DRIVER $1200 TO
[02:49:29] FILL UP A SINGLE TANK. HERE'S THE THING, YOU DO NOT
[02:49:33] FILL UP WITH DIESEL, BUT WHAT IF THEY HAVE IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK?
[02:49:37] GROCERIES. THEY TAKE IT TO THE GROCERY STORE WHERE YOU GO AND BUY, AND
[02:49:39] I GETS BAKED INTO THE PRICE OF THOSE GROCERIES PICK WE CAN'T
[02:49:42] AFFORD IT AT THE PUMP, WE CANNOT
[02:49:45] AFFORD IT IN OUR GROCERIES. ALL OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THE
[02:49:49] STUPID WAR WE SHOULD NOT BE FIGHTING THAT IS RAISING THE
[02:49:51] PRICE OF GAS, GROCERIES, AND SO
[02:49:55] MANY OTHER THINGS, AND WE ARE PAYING THE PRICE. NOW, MIKE ROGERS FOR HIS PART,
[02:49:59] HE SAID IT IS A WIN WIN WIN, THIS WAR.
[02:50:03] I'M NOT WINNING. ARE YOU WINNING? JUST YESTERDAY, HE DECIDED THE
[02:50:08] WAR HAS TO END. I WONDER WHY THAT IS THE CASE?
[02:50:11] MAYBE IT IS GASKETING TO FIVE DOLLARS AND HIS POLL NUMBERS
[02:50:13] TAKING FOR HIM TO CHANGE HIS MIND.
[02:50:18] IF YOU WERE FOR THIS WAR AT THE
[02:50:21] VERY BEGINNING AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE POLL NUMBERS STUCK, THAT
[02:50:24] TELLS ME ALL YOU CARE ABOUT HIS POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY, NOT ACTUAL PRINCIPLES.
[02:50:28] HOST: ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS A LONG
[02:50:30] AD THERE FROM ABDUL EL-SAYED AND
[02:50:34] HIS CAMPAIGN. TALK ABOUT HOW MICHIGAN HAS
[02:50:36] KINDA BEEN A MICROCOSM, I GUESS,
[02:50:39] FOR ALL OF THE ISSUES AS VOTERS
[02:50:41] RANK AS 1, 2, 3, AND ALSO THE BIGGEST CONCERNS FOR THE BIG TERM ELECTION.
[02:50:45] GUEST: IT'S ALL ABOUT THE
[02:50:48] ECONOMY, STUPID, TO PARAPHRASE.
[02:50:52] IT ALL GOES BACK TO PRICES, THE FUEL GOES BACK TO PRICES, THE
[02:50:56] TARIFFS GOES BACK TO PRICES ON
[02:50:58] ALL OF IT GOES BACK TO VOTERS'
[02:51:02] PERSONAL ECONOMY. TRUMP WILL POINT TO THE LOW UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS, THE STOCK
[02:51:05] MARKET IS A LOOK, THE ECONOMY IS DOING GREAT.
[02:51:08] IF I CLOSE MY EYES AND I LISTEN TO THOSE EXCUSES, I HEAR WHAT
[02:51:12] THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WAS TELLING VOTERS AS WELL FOUR
[02:51:13] YEARS AGO.
[02:51:19] IT IS NOT SO MUCH THE MACROECONOMY VOTERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIM IS THE MICRO ACADEMY, AT THE KITCHEN TABLE AND THEIR WALLET. IN MICHIGAN HAS BEEN FEELING THE
[02:51:22] BRUNT OF THE THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[02:51:25] --S BRUNT OF THE TARIFFS, AND AS THAT AD JUST POINTED OUT, THE
[02:51:31] FUEL PRICES, TO WHERE MIKE
[02:51:35] ROGERS HAS HAD TO GO OUT AND SQUEEZE SOME DAYLIGHT BETWEEN
[02:51:38] HIMSELF AND THE REPUBLICANS
[02:51:43] WITH HIS ADS.
[02:51:45] HOST: HOW IMPAIRED IS IS IT FOR
[02:51:49] THEM -- HOW IMPERATIVE IS IT FOR THEM TO WIN MICHIGAN?
[02:51:51] GUEST: IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR
[02:51:54] THEM TO FLIP THE SENATE WITHOUT MICHIGAN. IT'S THE OPEN SENATE SEAT HELD
[02:51:58] BY PETERS, AND UNLIKE TWO YEARS AGO, WHERE SLAWSON SLID RIGHT
[02:52:02] INTO THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION,
[02:52:06] AND IT WAS A TOUGH YEAR FOR DEMOCRATS, A BITTER PRIMARY
[02:52:11] FIGHT FOR DEMOCRATS BETWEEN ABDUL AND STEVENS, THE MORE
[02:52:13] MODERATE DEMOCRATIC MEMBER WHO HAS WON SWING RACES BEFORE.
[02:52:18] ABDUL EL-SAYED IS MUCH MORE PROGRESSIVE.
[02:52:20] HE IS NOT WON THE BEST CAMPAIGN IN THE WORLD.
[02:52:23] I THINK IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER DEMOCRAT AS A NOMINEE IN MICHIGAN, THEY WOULD BE RUNNING
[02:52:27] AWAY WITH THIS RACE. INSTEAD, IT IS MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE. I THINK A LOT OF PROGRESSIVES
[02:52:31] WILL BE WATCHING THIS RACE
[02:52:32] PRETTY CLOSELY.
[02:52:40] YOU JUST HEARD AOC LESS WE GOT A FUNDRAISER I BELIEVE IN NEW YORK, THAT IF ABDUL EL-SAYED WINS, IT WILL EMPOWER THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT TO MAKE SOME BIG SWINGS, COME 2028,
[02:52:44] WHICH COULD INCLUDE AOC RUNNING FOR THE WHITE HOUSE AS WELL. HOST: RIGHT.
[02:52:51] IF ABDUL WINS, PROGRESSIVES CAN WIN ANYWHERE.
[02:52:55] LAILA, AN INDEPENDENT, GOOD MORNING, LAYLA.
[02:52:56] CALLER: YES, MY VOICE IS BAD
[02:53:02] THIS MORNING. BUT I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS, WHICH BOTHER ME.
[02:53:10] WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT WHO CAN PREVENT THE WHOLE WAR, AND IT COMES DOWN TO US.
[02:53:21] -- THE SENATE SEAT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, AND HE TALKED ABOUT
[02:53:23] ABDUL EL-SAYED, AND THEY ARE
[02:53:26] CLOSING IN, OF BEING SORT OF --
[02:53:33] [INDISCERNIBLE]
[02:53:39] -- IN MY EMOTIONS.
[02:53:41] I AM A CATHOLIC.
[02:53:47] -- UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
[02:53:52] WHY IS RELIGION ON THE TOP OF THE AGENDA? [INDISCERNIBLE]
[02:54:00] THIS IS NOT THE WAY A PRESIDENT OF ALL AMERICA SHOULD SPEAK.
[02:54:07] -- ON MY AGENDA --
[02:54:11] [INDISCERNIBLE]
[02:54:15] -- CALLING ON A PUBLIC BOMB TO
[02:54:19] DESTROY 92 MILLION PEOPLE --
[02:54:27] HOST: ALL RIGHT, LAYLA, LET'S LET KIRK GET IN ON THIS.
[02:54:29] GUEST: SHE MENTIONED TRUMP BEGAN
[02:54:33] HIS CAMPAIGN IN AREAS THAT ARE DEEPLY RED, HE HAS WON ALL NINE OF THOSE BY A MINIMUM OF 20
[02:54:42] POINTS. BUT SHE ALSO MENTIONED HOW THEY TALKED ABOUT ABDUL EL-SAYED YET, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING SUBPLOT HERE. EL-SAYED WOULD BE THE FIRST
[02:54:46] MUSLIM SENATOR IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
[02:54:47] AND I THINK THE TENSION THERE,
[02:54:50] ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE MORE
[02:54:52] ONLINE, MORE SOCIALLY
[02:54:55] CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATORS, ARE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE AN ISSUE OF HIS RELIGION HERE, ESPECIALLY
[02:54:59] IN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE MORE
[02:55:02] JEWISH VOTERS IN MICHIGAN, TRYING TO MAKE HIS CRITICISM OF ISRAEL A BIG PART OF THE
[02:55:07] CAMPAIGN. I'M INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, BECAUSE THAT WAS SUCH
[02:55:11] A HUGE CRUCIAL FACTOR IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY EARLIER THIS CYCLE.
[02:55:14] HOST: ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT CALLER
[02:55:19] FROM OHIO, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OHIO, WHERE THE PRESIDENT
[02:55:22] IS EXPECTED TO VISIT LATER, BUT FIRST, LET'S GO TO LINDA, AN INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING.
[02:55:26] CALLER: HELLO?
[02:55:30] HOST: YOU ARE ON.
[02:55:32] CALLER: I AM NOT AN INDEPENDENT,
[02:55:36] BUT I WOULD VOTE FOR EITHER PARTY. I AM A CONSERVATIVE.
[02:55:40] AND MY THING IS, EVER SINCE THE PRESIDENT, WE GOT A CONGRESS OF
[02:55:45] THEIR, AND THE LIBERALS ARE --
[02:55:48] THEY HATE HIM SO MUCH THAT THEY JUST ARE GOING AGAINST
[02:55:52] EVERYTHING HE DOES.
[02:55:56] I'M BACK FROM THE DAY, I'M 72,
[02:56:00] WHERE RONALD REAGAN WORKED WITH THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, AND THEY COMPROMISED.
[02:56:04] THERE IS HATE ON BOTH SIDES OF
[02:56:07] THE AISLE THAT IS RIDICULOUS AND IT IS CHILDISH, BECAUSE THEY
[02:56:10] NEED TO BE WORKING ON BILLS,
[02:56:11] GETTING THINGS DONE, INSTEAD OF
[02:56:16] JUST HATING THE PRESIDENT.
[02:56:17] AS FAR AS PRICES, THOUGH, REMEMBER WHAT THOSE WERE DURING BIDEN?
[02:56:21] DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT A HAMBURGER WAS? PEOPLE SEEM TO FORGET, WHEN HE
[02:56:26] CLOSED THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE AND GAS PRICES WENT UP, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
[02:56:31] WE GOT THE AROUND WAR OR CAUSING PRICES TO GO UP RIGHT NOW, BUT.
[02:56:34] HOST: ALL RIGHT, LINDA, LET'S
[02:56:38] LET KIRK GET IN HERE.
[02:56:41] GUEST: I THINK BRINGING IN CARS
[02:56:45] AND DYSFUNCTIONAL CONGRESS,
[02:56:47] CONGRESS'S APPROVAL RATING IS
[02:56:50] HISTORICALLY LOW, 20% LOWER THAN THE PRESENT, BUT REPUBLICANS ARE
[02:56:54] IN CONTROL OF CONGRESS RIGHT NOW , AND THEY HAVE LARGELY KICKED
[02:56:58] THE CAN AND PLANTED ON SOME OF THEIR MORE INDEPENDENT AND
[02:57:02] LEGISLATIVE ABILITIES AND DEFERRED A LOT TO THE PRESIDENT.
[02:57:05] SO TRUMP IS, IN ESSENCE, RUNNING NOT ONLY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH
[02:57:08] FOR THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AS WELL. THAT IS WHAT VOTERS ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
[02:57:13] TRUMP IS THE MAIN CHARACTER OF EVERY ASPECT OF POLITICAL LIFE
[02:57:16] RIGHT NOW, AND VOTERS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF IT. HOST: THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A
[02:57:20] COMPETITIVE RACE HAPPENING IN OHIO RIGHT NOW, AGAINST DEMOCRATIC SENATE CANDIDATE
[02:57:24] SHERROD BROWN, THE REPUBLICAN
[02:57:28] AND INCUMBENT CANDIDATE, AND THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR ALSO BETWEEN A
[02:57:32] REPUBLICAN WHO JUST WON A SUMMIT, AND AMY ACTING IS ALSO PRETTY CLOSE.
[02:57:37] IS THERE A CONCERN ABOUT TICKET SPLITTING ANYWHERE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PARTY?
[02:57:41] GUEST: I THINK THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT TICKET SPLITTING HERE, BUT
[02:57:45] IT IS SUCH A FASCINATING RACE
[02:57:46] RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE SHERROD BROWN
[02:57:49] HAS BEEN IN PUBLIC LIFE IN OHIO FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS OR SO. IN FACT, IT WAS REALLY
[02:57:58] INTERESTING, THERE WAS A SURVEY OF THIS MONTH BUT SHORT ABOUT ONE QUARTER OF OHIO VOTERS STILL BELIEVE SHERROD BROWN IS THERE SENATOR RIGHT NOW AND NOT JON
[02:58:02] HUSTED, WHO WAS THE APPOINTED SENATOR TO FILL IN JD VANCE'S SEAT.
[02:58:08] TRUMP HAS NEVER LOST OHIO. HE'S CARRIED OUT THREE TIMES IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION COULD
[02:58:12] WHAT I FIND INTERESTING THOUGH IS IN OHIO AND OFTEN IOWA,
[02:58:16] KANSAS, TEXAS, AND ALASKA, THOSE FIVE SENATE RACES THAT ARE
[02:58:19] GETTING MORE AND MORE COMPETITIVE, THOSE ARE ALL RACES
[02:58:23] THAT TRUMP LOST IN 2016, DURING
[02:58:24] THE PRIMARY.
[02:58:28] HE LOST TO TED CRUZ. I'M NOT SAYING THERE IS AN
[02:58:31] ANCESTRAL ANTI-TRUMP VEIN, BUT
[02:58:35] THERE IS MORE SKEPTICISM IN THOSE STATES VANDY DEEPER MAGA
[02:58:38] AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.
[02:58:42] I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP DRAG DOWN VIVEK RAMASWAMY AND JON HUS
[02:58:44] TED COME NOVEMBER.
[02:58:46] HOST: SPEAKING OF PRESIDENTS,
[02:58:50] FORMER PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS ENTERED THE FRAY NOW IN THE FINAL STRETCH OF THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
[02:58:55] WE SAW HIM GET INVOLVED IN THE
[02:58:56] MAIN RACE AGAINST REPUBLICAN
[02:58:59] INCUMBENT SENATOR COLLINS VERSUS
[02:59:03] CHALLENGER TROY JACKSON, HE GOT INVOLVED IN THE MICHIGAN RACE
[02:59:06] FOR ABDUL EL-SAYED AGAINST MIKE ROGERS.
[02:59:10] WHY ARE ALL OF THESE CANDIDATES RUSHING TO GO CAMPAIGN WITH OBAMA?
[02:59:14] GUEST: THANK OBAMA.
[02:59:18] HE IS THE CLOSER IN CHIEF. HE IS THE MOST POPULAR FIGURE IN
[02:59:21] THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. HE IS THE MOST POPULAR, UNITING
[02:59:26] FIGURE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR PROGRESSIVES, FOR MORE CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS.
[02:59:30] HE IS THE REMASTER OF THE BIG TENT RIGHT NOW IN THE DEMOCRATIC
[02:59:33] PARTY, AND I THINK THAT IS MORE OF AN INDICTMENT ON THE CURRENT
[02:59:35] LEADERS OF THE PARTY, THAT THEY
[02:59:39] ARE NOT ABLE TO BE THAT KIND OF UNITING FIGURE. JOE BIDEN CERTAINLY ISN'T,
[02:59:43] KAMALA HARRIS ISN'T AS WELL, I
[02:59:44] THINK JEFFRIES AND CHUCK
[02:59:48] SCHUMER, THEY HAVE LOWER APPROVAL RATINGS THAN THE REPUBLICAN COUNTERPARTS. OBAMA IS THE BEST CLOSER THE
[02:59:52] DEMOCRATS HAVE RIGHT NOW. HOST: ALL RIGHT, NATIONAL
[02:59:55] JOURNAL "HOTLINE" EDITOR KIRK
[02:59:59] BADO, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING. GUEST: THANK YOU FOR HAVE ANY.
[03:00:01] HOST: THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE
[03:00:06] HAVE TODAY FOR THIS PROGRAM. ANOTHER ADDITION OF "WASHINGTON
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