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[00:00:48] Citizens of our country have the opportunity to vote for peace and freedom, for the lives
[00:00:52] of people (two): 10 parties for war, one
[00:00:56] against. The Central Election Commission held a drawing of lots.
[00:01:46] party, it's nothing more than a cell, said Dmitry Peskov,
[00:01:49] press secretary of the Russian President, in a comment to the
[00:01:52] Washington Post. He is sure, I quote: those who violate the
[00:01:56] law are pressured, and those who do not violate it freely...
[00:02:00] express their opinion. End of quote. The problem is
[00:02:03] that, for example, an anti-war statement in Russia, any, can be interpreted
[00:02:07] as illegal, or the publication of a photograph of Alexei Navalny.
[00:02:11] Or the publication of a link to a video, in which there is a publication of a photograph of Alexei
[00:02:14] Navalny. But everything is in strict accordance with the law.
[00:02:18] For example, with politician Boris Nadezhdin, he was urgently deprived of passive
[00:02:22] electoral rights, first being recognized as a foreign agent, then
[00:02:25] a report was drawn up on the demonstration of extremist symbols, because
[00:02:29] of a link. to that very video with a photograph of Alexei
[00:02:32] Navalny. Nadezhdin left Russia, although he was going
[00:02:35] to run in the State Duma elections as a self-nominated candidate.
[00:02:39] The Yabloko party has problems with nominating candidates in
[00:02:42] regional elections, for example in St. Petersburg and Karelia. There
[00:02:46] they found different reasons, we will not dwell on them in detail now. The key point is that
[00:02:49] there are strong politicians there, who consistently got into regional
[00:02:52] parliaments. Yabloko has been absent from the State Duma since 2003,
[00:02:56] and it is all the more curious that now, against the background of a clear
[00:03:00] campaign, those who probably did not see Yabloko in the
[00:03:04] State Duma live are campaigning for Yabloko. The federal list
[00:03:07] of the party for the State Duma elections was approved by the Central Election Commission: in the federal
[00:03:11] ballot, Yabloko got number two, after United
[00:03:14] Russia, and independent analysts note: online,
[00:03:17] Yabloko confidently ranks among the top three in terms of the number of subscribers in its
[00:03:20] social networks, and on television it is practically in a block. We will
[00:03:24] analyze both of these points today, both the offline and online situation.
[00:03:28] Let's start with how Yabloko is discussed on TikTok. My
[00:03:31] colleague Artur Davletchin will continue: a new
[00:03:34] fork appeared, our country approached it a month
[00:03:38] ago, the fate of Yabloko raised big questions, repression against
[00:03:42] party members, additional checks by the Central Election Commission, it seemed,
[00:03:45] put an end to the Duma campaign, however, the party was
[00:03:49] allowed to participate in the elections, having registered a federal
[00:03:52] list, which means that the only anti-war party has
[00:03:55] a chance, we are the only political force offering a real
[00:03:59] alternative. to the government's course, we stand for peace.
[00:04:03] A week after the CEC decision on registration, a post appeared in the party's Telegram channel,
[00:04:06] stating that they had surpassed United Russia in terms of
[00:04:09] subscribers. Yabloko became the second most popular in
[00:04:12] Telegram. New People occupied the first place, but on August 5,
[00:04:16] Yabloko overtook them. Now more than
[00:04:19] 90,000 people have subscribed to the party of peace's Telegram channel. But
[00:04:23] any success is accompanied by failures. Recently, the party
[00:04:26] announced the start of fundraising for its campaign, and soon the donation
[00:04:30] collection site was subjected to a DDoS attack, and the growth in the number of subscribers
[00:04:34] in the party was attributed to manipulation. On the day we overtook United
[00:04:37] Russia in terms of Telegram subscribers, our channel was subjected to
[00:04:41] a massive bot attack. It is obvious that the goal of this attack is to
[00:04:44] discredit our result. Instead of honest
[00:04:47] political competition, someone prefers to use dirty
[00:04:50] technologies, but neither DDoS attacks nor bot manipulation
[00:04:54] will change the main thing. People continue to come to us,
[00:04:57] support us and stand for peace. Due to the lack
[00:05:01] of access to old media, the party conducts its main campaign online, in
[00:05:05] its social networks they publish speeches by the party chairman
[00:05:08] Nikolai Rybakov or communication with other prominent members, for example,
[00:05:11] Kirill. To change the situation in the country,
[00:05:14] to truly show political subjectivity,
[00:05:18] society will only be able to by voting for Yabloko. In social networks, Yabloko
[00:05:22] posts memes to trending music. You can't listen to it due to copyright,
[00:05:25] but we can show them to you. The unofficial anthem of the
[00:05:29] campaign was a song by singer Yolka and the band Iowa.
[00:05:32] Yabloko. Here, listen to our cover of it.
[00:05:36] I give, I sing, in dandelions,
[00:05:39] I divide in half, one apple.
[00:05:42] Apple, apple,
[00:05:45] apple. TikTok users not only shoot videos to
[00:05:49] music, but also to speeches by other politicians, for example, Maxim
[00:05:52] Katz, a former Yabloko member, by the way, each party from the systemic
[00:05:55] opposition has its own role, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation should smell of grandma's
[00:05:59] apartment with a Yugoslav sofa and almost kiss Stalin,
[00:06:02] the Liberal Democratic Party should publicly compile execution lists, and the party of
[00:06:06] citizens should be as bland as possible, or they make their own
[00:06:09] political statements, vote. for
[00:06:13] the Yabloko party, it is incredibly important, it
[00:06:16] is the only party that opposes
[00:06:20] the war. Don't vote for Yabloko, it won't get 5% and your vote
[00:06:24] will go nowhere. Why are you saying this,
[00:06:28] gentlemen, bloggers, political, liberal, by the way,
[00:06:31] admitted to voting, you can vote for it, but the only problem, it
[00:06:35] seems to me, is that most of the people who really want to vote for Yabloko are
[00:06:39] not adults and cannot vote. Online successes
[00:06:42] make rivals bite their elbows, or rather apples. Here,
[00:06:46] for example, a creative from the New People party. In their social networks, they published
[00:06:49] a video in which State Duma Vice-Speaker Vladislav Davankov
[00:06:53] eats an apple. United Russia is also not lagging behind. The
[00:06:56] Atlas of Elections project summarizes that the ruling party is trying to increase
[00:07:00] its mentions on the Internet through administrative resources. They write in
[00:07:03] regional and municipal official public pages, as well as subordinate
[00:07:07] organizations. In the penultimate week of July, analysts
[00:07:11] recorded an increase in mentions by 62%.
[00:07:14] Well, Mr. Davankov and his comrades are more or less creative, in the second
[00:07:18] part of our program we will quote some of Yabloko's competitors, there
[00:07:21] were quite interesting formulations, and before the broadcast
[00:07:25] we spoke with our source in the Yabloko party, we asked if this activity
[00:07:29] on the network, is it a grassroots initiative, or does it
[00:07:33] originate from the party itself? In these
[00:07:35] elections, only Yabloko stands for peace, so people who are
[00:07:39] tired of what is happening and want peace see this. and sincerely
[00:07:43] support it. In essence, it is support not even for the party, but
[00:07:46] for this very demand. We regard these elections as a
[00:07:50] referendum. In this referendum, citizens will be able to
[00:07:53] express whether they want what has been happening for the fifth year to continue, or
[00:07:57] they want peace. For the continuation of what is happening,
[00:07:59] 10 parties stand. In the ballot for peace,
[00:08:03] only Yabloko. Therefore, campaigning for Yabloko on
[00:08:06] the Internet is a grassroots initiative. This is
[00:08:09] sincere support from our like-minded people. We are very
[00:08:13] grateful to people for such support, for their active civic
[00:08:16] position, and we will do everything to justify their trust, their
[00:08:20] expectations. And with us live is political scientist Dmitry
[00:08:24] Oreshkin. Dmitry, hello.
[00:08:26] Good afternoon, hello. In your opinion, what is this phenomenon, the online phenomenon, I
[00:08:30] would even say, of the Yabloko party right now? Well,
[00:08:34] listen, first of all, 90
[00:08:37] thousand supporters,
[00:08:40] well, for Russian standards.
[00:09:12] I would not flatter myself with these
[00:09:15] numbers, well, and generally,
[00:09:19] in fact, you see, the Yabloko
[00:09:22] electorate, and generally the Europeanized
[00:09:26] democratic electorate, which, by the way, is quite
[00:09:29] abundant in Russia, is found
[00:09:32] mainly in large cities, represented mainly
[00:09:35] by educated people, mainly with
[00:09:39] average incomes, but not only.
[00:09:42] And it is measured in, well, tens of millions of people,
[00:09:46] 20-30 million, but this
[00:09:50] electorate does not go to the polls, it does not believe in
[00:09:54] the electoral process, in principle, in general
[00:09:58] it can be understood, although if it were
[00:10:01] rational, it would certainly
[00:10:05] take part in this procedure,
[00:10:08] but be that as it
[00:10:10] may,
[00:10:12] the masses, including the advanced,
[00:10:15] educated, they in
[00:10:19] most cases act irrationally,
[00:10:22] that's uh, actually, even
[00:10:26] the Yabloko message for peace, it's also
[00:10:29] irrational, but how will Yabloko ensure peace,
[00:10:33] if it, say, gets into
[00:10:36] parliament, no way, but generally what is
[00:10:39] formed in these elections, parliament is formed, the State
[00:10:42] Duma, that very institution, where
[00:10:45] the speaker five times chants
[00:10:49] скандирует
[00:10:51] there, Russia, Putin, victory, people. at
[00:10:55] the same time, he is silent, well, if there were
[00:10:58] 5% Yabloko deputies in this
[00:11:02] hall, they would behave approximately the same way as
[00:11:05] new people, that is, in fact, the Duma
[00:11:09] political
[00:11:12] actor
[00:11:15] is, well, of significance,
[00:11:19] well, the third group
[00:11:21] of kindergarten, where - Komsomol or
[00:11:29] Russia Putin - victory.
[00:11:32] From this follows a simple conclusion that these
[00:11:36] elections are not worth a broken penny. And the majority
[00:11:39] of rationally thinking, or European
[00:11:42] thinking, voters in Russia will behave
[00:11:45] exactly that way. I believe that this is
[00:11:48] wrong. I believe that it is right to behave
[00:11:51] in the opposite way, to come, to come and...
[00:11:55] somehow dispose of your
[00:11:57] vote, but I know, after 25
[00:12:01] years of working with the electorate, how it will
[00:12:04] actually be, in fact, people will put on a white
[00:12:08] coat, say, vote or don't vote,
[00:12:12] it means the result will be the same, with
[00:12:15] thimble-riggers I don't play with, I don't understand varieties of Germany,
[00:12:18] and they will beautifully ignore these
[00:12:21] elections, in the Kremlin they know this perfectly
[00:12:26] well, in Yabloko they also know this perfectly
[00:12:28] well, I understand your skepticism perfectly, excuse me for interrupting, but just so that we don't lose
[00:12:32] this thought, you said that there are clearly people who will most likely come to polling stations, well, and I
[00:12:36] assume you are hinting that they will spoil their ballots as a clear
[00:12:40] expression of protest, but our interlocutor in the Yabloko party today emphasized that they consider
[00:12:44] this an anti-war referendum, well, it turns out from their position, in some
[00:12:47] sense, one can assume that United Russia, and Putin in particular, also
[00:12:51] perceive these elections as some kind of referendum, well, from his position, the
[00:12:55] approval of the war, among other things, so he spoke, for example, at
[00:12:58] the United Russia congress in person, which hadn't happened for a long time, this is the first, the second
[00:13:01] is that 5 years is a huge electoral cycle for the State Duma,
[00:13:05] possibly half a generation has grown up, which, firstly,
[00:13:08] witnessed the beginning of the big war as minors, and secondly,
[00:13:12] now it already has the right to vote, so here's such a double question, will this
[00:13:16] referendum happen, considering, among other things, that spoiling ballots is also an expression of position,
[00:13:19] and has that very Yabloko electorate that you talked about become
[00:13:23] younger?
[00:14:25] the more primitive a society is, the more strongly it depends on such symbolic
[00:14:28] things, this is a ritual that must
[00:14:31] be performed, and for a significant part, not of the Yabloko
[00:14:35] electorate, but of a significant part of the majority of the population, this
[00:14:38] is important, if this ritual takes place somehow
[00:14:41] too incorrectly, it will be
[00:14:45] perceived as a weakness of power, the second is
[00:14:48] a test of control
[00:14:51] over the situation in the regions and accordingly a test of
[00:14:55] the effectiveness of regional bosses, the Kremlin deeply
[00:14:59] doesn't care what numbers they will get, draw, suck
[00:15:02] from their finger, mobilize the population, it doesn't matter,
[00:15:06] but if they bring the numbers in their teeth, it means they have coped
[00:15:09] with the task, and regional bosses understand this well, in different
[00:15:13] regions, the way of obtaining this number will be
[00:15:15] extremely different, this also needs to be understood, in
[00:15:19] urban regions it's one story, in rural -
[00:15:22] another, in electoral sultanates it's completely different, nevertheless,
[00:15:26] it's a test for the government to see how the machine works,
[00:15:30] and third, also very important, it's one
[00:15:33] of many ways of competition in pro-Putin
[00:15:37] forces, which compete with each
[00:15:40] other to show their effectiveness, who will win,
[00:15:44] who will be able or not be able to raise money,
[00:15:47] gather votes, gather administrative resources, to get this very
[00:15:51] number, so these three parameters,
[00:15:55] ritual, test and competition,
[00:15:58] elections are important for this government, and for
[00:16:01] the voter it's a way of demonstration and nothing
[00:16:05] more for such a... European-minded
[00:16:08] voter, a way of demonstration, you can
[00:16:11] demonstrate that you don't care when you don't go to the polls,
[00:16:15] all together, you
[00:16:18] take from Zyuganov to
[00:16:21] Yavlinsky, you can come and spoil
[00:16:24] the ballot, in this situation this is not the best option, you
[00:16:28] can come and vote for Yabloko, despite the fact that some
[00:16:31] part of the votes will be stolen there and so on and so forth, in this
[00:16:35] situation I think it would be more correct to vote for... Yabloko,
[00:16:38] but as a person with extensive experience
[00:16:41] in observing elections, I think that the first point is,
[00:16:45] a huge part of the potential Yabloko electorate will proudly
[00:16:49] and foolishly ignore the elections, well, that's how our
[00:16:52] public opinion is structured,
[00:16:54] second,
[00:16:57] when counting votes, people controlled by Mr.
[00:17:00] Kiriyenko, if there are too many Yabloko members,
[00:17:04] it will suddenly turn out that Yabloko is politely... and you
[00:17:07] can't do anything about it, no courts will save you,
[00:17:10] well,
[00:17:13] third - it's that,
[00:17:16] that uh, in fact,
[00:17:20] as sad as it is, Yabloko is also
[00:17:24] a member of this team, and
[00:17:27] otherwise it would not exist in Russia,
[00:17:31] it was very carefully
[00:17:34] trimmed, painted, castrated, deprived of...
[00:17:38] two regions where it was
[00:17:41] really possible to get at least one or two deputies
[00:17:45] in a single-mandate constituency, that's clearly Karelia and
[00:17:48] clearly Moscow, the most prominent
[00:17:52] figures were put in prison, Lev Shlosberg is behind
[00:17:55] bars, and so,
[00:17:58] after castrating, then tying its legs, and also
[00:18:01] putting blinders on its eyes,
[00:18:04] Yabloko was released on the track. well,
[00:18:07] it's painfully difficult to force yourself
[00:18:11] to vote for such a fighter for peace, but Russia has
[00:18:15] no other options, but again I want to say, rationally,
[00:18:18] of course, yes, as far as I know
[00:18:22] the character of the deeply respected Russian
[00:18:25] voter, well, he won't go, he
[00:18:27] is ready to vote for a strong leader, be
[00:18:31] it Yeltsin, be it Navalny, be it
[00:18:34] someone else. He is not yet
[00:18:39] ready to vote for abstract
[00:18:41] values, so
[00:18:44] I would wholeheartedly suggest
[00:18:48] voting for Yabloko, but I know that this will not happen, and if
[00:18:51] it does, then of course it will not be allowed to get more
[00:18:55] than 3%, let's remember this forecast, but this is what
[00:18:59] is called at the federal level, I also want to note that in addition to the elections
[00:19:02] to the federal parliament, there are also regional elections, precisely at
[00:19:06] the federal level.
[00:19:37] and he can, so Shlosberg must
[00:19:39] be imprisoned, Pskov neutralized, he
[00:19:43] understands, that in
[00:19:46] Karelia it's the same, he understands that Moscow and
[00:19:50] St. Petersburg are still two potentially
[00:19:53] dangerous regions, in fact,
[00:19:56] that's all, it's all over, there's almost nothing left,
[00:19:59] you can try to catch something in Novosibirsk, somewhere else, but hardly,
[00:20:03] that is, he did
[00:20:05] everything to... to
[00:20:08] maintain the appearance of such
[00:20:12] a democracy, completely castrating all its
[00:20:15] content, in this
[00:20:18] sense he put down a straw three times
[00:20:22] for himself so as not to fall, so as not to let Yabloko
[00:20:26] suddenly bring someone, and participate, well, yes,
[00:20:29] of course, please, we'll say later,
[00:20:32] as Stalin said, we have the most democratic
[00:20:36] constitution.
[00:20:50] We read the analytics, looked at what and how everything is currently arranged with federal
[00:20:54] channels, they show universal support for the so-called
[00:20:57] SVO, and ignore Yabloko's peace program, in particular, the
[00:21:01] Atlas of Elections project writes about this, plus analysts noted that federal
[00:21:04] channels generally try to minimize the breadth of coverage
[00:21:07] of the parliamentary race, these elections are going on, well, let them go on, they will only be in September, there is still
[00:21:11] more than a month left until them, the head of the Just
[00:21:15] Russia faction, Sergei Mironov, urged the Ministry of Justice and the Prosecutor General's Office to carefully
[00:21:18] look at the party. and its leaders, to give a legal assessment of their
[00:21:22] actions, plus he called some party representatives traitors, unnamed without getting personal,
[00:21:25] another deputy Zhuravlev generally caused a scandal right in the Central Election Commission
[00:21:29] and also under the pretext of Yabloko's anti-war position, this is what
[00:21:32] caused his claims, we will tell and show more in our
[00:21:36] report. Russia,
[00:21:39] Putin, victory. The slogans
[00:21:41] of State Duma speaker Vyacheslav Volodin, with which he closed this
[00:21:44] convocation of the State Duma, are quite predictable. During the war...
[00:21:48] in the Russian parliament, laws, as a rule,
[00:21:50] are adopted unanimously or with the passive participation of non-voting
[00:21:54] deputies. Many Russians are not interested in the September
[00:21:58] elections from the point of view of new faces appearing in parliament,
[00:22:01] few doubt the victory of the ruling party, in connection with rumors of possible
[00:22:05] mobilization after the vote, however, at the end
[00:22:08] of July, the CEC suddenly registered Yabloko,
[00:22:11] a party that is running in the elections with the slogan "for peace and freedom",
[00:22:14] advocates for a ceasefire agreement and against political
[00:22:17] repression.
[00:22:50] requirements of the legislation receive very little airtime compared
[00:22:53] to United Russia and other parliamentary factions,
[00:22:57] notes the Atlas of Elections project. On Wednesday, Yabloko
[00:23:00] received the second number on the ballot as a result of the CEC draw,
[00:23:04] it was shown on TV. Why did you decide not to rotate the Alatron? Because
[00:23:07] all the numbers that remained suit me.
[00:23:11] Well done! And moreover, I got what we wanted, because
[00:23:15] the real choice in the elections is either United Russia or Yabloko, our number
[00:23:18] two. Oh! Number
[00:23:21] two:
[00:23:23] now we know that citizens of our country have the opportunity to vote for
[00:23:27] peace and freedom, for people's lives. This is the first case in the current
[00:23:31] campaign when Yabloko's anti-war agenda could be heard on
[00:23:34] air. Over the past week, federal channels have generally
[00:23:37] reduced coverage of the election race. On Channel One, the share of such
[00:23:41] stories was only 2.5%, falling
[00:23:44] more than 10 times compared to the previous week, reports
[00:23:48] the Atlas of Elections. Yabloko managed to increase the number of mentions on
[00:23:51] federal channels, overtaking other small parties, but again
[00:23:55] without focusing on the anti-war program. As part of state
[00:23:59] support for families of SVO participants, 36
[00:24:02] regional support measures are in effect, the governor said they
[00:24:05] strive to implement them proactively. Last
[00:24:08] week, TV channels tried to create in viewers a sense of consolidation
[00:24:12] around support for the war and Russia's foreign policy, notes the
[00:24:15] Atlas of Elections. One of the main indicators of uneven
[00:24:19] coverage of parties' work over the past weeks is that stories about
[00:24:22] their pre-election congresses, for example, the United Russia congress
[00:24:25] received more airtime than all other
[00:24:28] parties combined. Well,
[00:24:31] is it worth recalling the famous epic of Mr. Zhuravlev about Danish
[00:24:35] turtles in allegedly public houses for zoophiles. An old meme, if
[00:24:38] you want, look it up on the Internet yourself, let's remember another
[00:24:41] episode, a recent, fresher one, a month ago Zhuravlev
[00:24:45] was asked why so few deputies or their children are fighting
[00:24:48] against Ukraine at all...
[00:25:20] no one was there, none of you, I am the only one who was at Zakharchenko's
[00:25:24] configuration, and you, you tell me,
[00:25:27] and where, show me your document, I don't need it at all, because you
[00:25:31] didn't understand that all deputies are forbidden to participate there
[00:25:34] only with permission,
[00:25:35] Order of Courage hero, that's
[00:25:39] fine, I don't know where he participated, I know where I
[00:25:42] participated, I have fallen guys and I didn't
[00:25:45] die not because I was hiding behind their backs.
[00:25:49] Go to hell, go
[00:26:03] there yourself, well, our interlocutor in the Yabloko party is generally
[00:26:07] optimistic in this tele-disposition, he claims that
[00:26:10] there is still free airtime ahead, as required by law, plus
[00:26:13] televised debates, and there it will also be possible to state Yabloko's position and
[00:26:16] pronounce their election slogans aloud
[00:26:20] on the federal channel. We will continue the topic with political scientist Dmitry
[00:26:23] Arishkin. Dmitry, what do you think about these outbursts from Mironov,
[00:26:27] he actually wrote this in writing in his Telegram channel, and Zhuravlev
[00:26:30] right in the Central Election Commission.
[00:26:42] artillery such an army of fleas, which bite,
[00:26:45] hysteria is very characteristic,
[00:26:47] indicative, but in the Kremlin there are people less hysterical and
[00:26:51] more rational, so they understand what
[00:26:55] they are doing, they understand that, yes, now
[00:26:59] they will release a pack of these little mongrels.
[00:27:02] which will not harm Yabloko, by
[00:27:06] God, themselves too,
[00:27:10] because their electorate is the same, but the point is not
[00:27:13] this, the strategy is as follows: the Kremlin controls
[00:27:17] the situation, it would otherwise have made
[00:27:20] it so that
[00:27:23] Yabloko's leadership would have gone the same way as
[00:27:27] Boris Borisovich Nadezhdin, well,
[00:27:29] the Kremlin now considered that Nadezhdin represents some kind of systemic,
[00:27:33] poorly manageable threat, so it's better to
[00:27:36] close it, Yabloko they do not consider such
[00:27:40] a threat, I think they consider it
[00:27:43] on the contrary,
[00:27:46] a convenient tool to suppress
[00:27:49] anti-war sentiments, they
[00:27:52] will count as many numbers, as many percentages
[00:27:55] as they deem necessary, then they will say, here you go, they
[00:27:59] will forget that they were not allowed, removed,
[00:28:03] imprisoned,
[00:28:05] hands and feet were tied, they will talk to their
[00:28:09] voters, who are the majority in Russia, and tell
[00:28:12] them, here Yabloko advocated
[00:28:15] for peace, how much did they get,
[00:28:18] 1.7, 2.3,
[00:28:22] 2.9, well, something like that,
[00:28:25] here's your Europeanized,
[00:28:28] they will tell Russian voters, and...
[00:28:32] Western-funded Yabloko,
[00:28:35] relying on foreign agents, if you look
[00:28:39] one and a half moves ahead, the picture will be the
[00:28:42] same, while I, based on what I
[00:28:46] think about these elections, what I have already said, still believe
[00:28:49] that with all, with all the negative
[00:28:53] aspects understandings, painful
[00:28:56] understandings of this process, you have to vote for Yabloko, but
[00:29:00] there is absolutely nothing to hope for... there's nothing
[00:29:04] and there's nowhere to retreat either,
[00:29:08] so you need to be calm,
[00:29:11] courageous, not get offended, do what is necessary
[00:29:15] and not be deceived. Dmitry, thank you very much, political scientist
[00:29:18] Dmitry Oreshkin was with us live on air, discussing this, this
[00:29:22] battle between TikTok and television, well, at