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[00:00:30] who were not
[00:00:33] guilty of anything, that is, 99.9%
[00:00:36] were completely ordinary people
[00:00:39] who lived completely ordinary lives, they all
[00:00:42] turned out to be innocent, they turned out to be
[00:00:46] shot.
[00:00:51] Well, and those people who are on these plaques, none of them
[00:00:54] have graves, essentially there is nowhere to bring
[00:00:57] flowers.
[00:01:03] And those who tear off plaques
[00:01:05] absolutely kill these people again, so that no memory at all is left of them. According to my
[00:01:08] estimates, about 150
[00:01:12] plaques are now missing from their places. Our
[00:01:16] fellow citizens tear them off, some of them really like
[00:01:19] Stalin. And of course, they have the thought in their heads
[00:01:23] that there were no such crimes. Second
[00:01:27] option.
[00:01:48] In most cases, the company makes
[00:01:51] a very simple decision: a special tool
[00:01:54] is issued to a responsible employee, and this responsible employee
[00:01:57] goes and dismantles the plaque.
[00:02:01] This is how in St. Petersburg,
[00:02:05] probably most of the plaques
[00:02:06] perished.
[00:02:11] A tour guide from Moscow, a person who,
[00:02:14] similar to me, restored the last address plaques, and I think he
[00:02:17] made about
[00:02:21] six or eight cardboard copies, he didn't
[00:02:24] hesitate to post all this on his Facebook,
[00:02:26] I think. So he had...
[00:02:30] Veller's daughter was interviewed and
[00:02:33] Korobova wrote him
[00:02:36] a letter saying, Mr. Orlov, you are
[00:02:39] bad, you give interviews to foreign agents, I
[00:02:43] will make it so that you also become a foreign agent.
[00:02:46] Korobova, a person who has already achieved not one criminal case
[00:02:50] against those people about whom she wrote, it is rumored
[00:02:54] that well, apparently,
[00:02:57] всему,
[00:03:00] this person does not exist, perhaps this is some creative
[00:03:03] pseudonym,
[00:03:06] well, in general, they cannot find her,
[00:03:09] but she nevertheless churns out
[00:03:12] endless denunciations, she was interviewed,
[00:03:14] she said that her grandfather wrote
[00:03:18] denunciations in the 1930s, as of August 23, 2023, I
[00:03:21] sent 1,320
[00:03:24] denunciations,
[00:03:27] the number of denunciations varies significantly by month, for example, in May
[00:03:30] 2023, 68 were sent, in June
[00:03:33] 105, in July 70 denunciations, the informant said, the number
[00:03:37] of denunciations depends not on me, but on how many objects for denunciation I
[00:03:40] identify in the shift on
[00:03:41] agents.
[00:03:45] In fact, most of these people died
[00:03:48] in the same way under denunciation, that is, similar
[00:03:51] to Korobova, people in '37, '38
[00:03:54] mostly wrote denunciations.
[00:03:58] These people who
[00:04:00] lost their lives
[00:04:03] on these plaques.
[00:04:06] that all the events of 1937 are no different
[00:04:10] from the events of 1924, well,
[00:04:13] and 1923 and 1922 as well.
[00:04:25] You haven't watched Ostrikin's last speech, have you?
[00:04:28] Ostrikin. Well, he's not
[00:04:32] just talking about repealing the article on the prohibition of state
[00:04:36] ideology, no. He doesn't like
[00:04:40] the whole second article of the Constitution,
[00:04:43] no, specifically Article 2, which talks
[00:04:45] about the second part, of course,
[00:04:49] but which talks about
[00:04:52] human rights and freedoms being the main
[00:04:56] value. So they
[00:05:00] have adapted,
[00:05:04] they are now trying to cancel everything that was after the Soviet Union, do you think
[00:05:08] they will tear down Solovetsky stone? I'm just
[00:05:11] talking about that. I think they quite, quite
[00:05:15] can
[00:05:16] tear it down.
[00:05:19] Delivered from the territory of the Solovetsky special purpose camp
[00:05:23] by the
[00:05:26] Memorial society, the Memorial society, which
[00:05:29] is now liquidated
[00:05:32] and generally considered
[00:05:36] anti-state. So far,
[00:05:39] the word Memorial has not
[00:05:43] This was a whole saga to deliver
[00:05:46] this stone here, in 1990 it was
[00:05:49] installed here, the stone specifically from
[00:05:52] the first political concentration camp of Soviet
[00:05:55] times, and then on October 30,
[00:05:59] 1991, the law on the
[00:06:02] rehabilitation of victims of political repression
[00:06:05] was adopted, then we also had a
[00:06:08] rally here, a lot of
[00:06:11] people. This was done by society,
[00:06:14] it was truly a public initiative to install
[00:06:18] this stone here, yes,
[00:06:21] opposite this building,
[00:06:24] a building that is directly connected with political
[00:06:27] repression, then what was the idea?
[00:06:31] Never again, never again must
[00:06:35] this happen again,
[00:06:37] meaning political repression, it seemed this wouldn't happen,
[00:06:41] this is the law.
[00:07:12] memorializing the victims of political repression, creating
[00:07:16] lists of victims of political repression,
[00:07:20] writing books, and fighting for human
[00:07:23] rights - all this together, what Memorial was involved in,
[00:07:26] was dedicated to the future of Russia,
[00:07:29] yes, that's what we are
[00:07:33] looking back at the past, among other things,
[00:07:37] directed at the future, and we thought,
[00:07:39] that's it,
[00:07:42] ah... Russia broke out of this
[00:07:45] vicious circle, along which it goes,
[00:07:49] sometimes breaking through to freedom, then falling
[00:07:53] back, back into
[00:07:57] some kind of unfreedom, terrible unfreedom
[00:08:00] and deification of the state at the expense
[00:08:03] of suppressing individuality, at the expense
[00:08:07] of suppressing human freedoms
[00:08:10] and rights, all of Russia.
[00:09:12] In 1993, in Moscow, there was such a
[00:09:16] mini-civil war, one could say, yes,
[00:09:20] when tanks fired at
[00:09:23] the White House, then still
[00:09:26] the parliament, and I was outside
[00:09:29] the White House, actually, I and
[00:09:33] many of my friends,
[00:09:35] Memorial members,
[00:09:38] said then, a plague on both your houses, you...
[00:09:42] are not ready to support either side, which does not want
[00:09:46] to
[00:09:49] seek compromise. Both sides did not want to seek
[00:09:52] compromise, and I
[00:09:56] just saw a
[00:09:59] tank shell
[00:10:00] fly
[00:10:03] into the window of my office, and I
[00:10:06] was then a future Memorial member,
[00:10:10] working on a voluntary basis at... but I
[00:10:12] worked as a leading specialist in the human rights committee of the Russian
[00:10:16] parliament. I was outside
[00:10:20] because I did not support those
[00:10:23] who were in
[00:10:25] that White House, I absolutely did not support them, but I also did not
[00:10:29] support Yeltsin's
[00:10:31] side. From that
[00:10:35] moment, I decided
[00:10:38] then and said that
[00:10:41] that's it, I'm not working for the state anymore.
[00:10:45] From that moment, I practically
[00:10:49] already continuously worked at
[00:10:53] Memorial. After... a little while later,
[00:10:56] the First Chechen War began with all its
[00:10:59] horrors,
[00:11:03] with terrible crimes that
[00:11:07] were committed by the army of the new
[00:11:11] democratic, free Russia, for which we
[00:11:14] fought. So, it was already
[00:11:18] obvious
[00:11:21] that the country was going in the wrong direction and...
[00:11:26] it was precisely with the beginning of the First Chechen
[00:11:29] War that the suppression
[00:11:32] of freedom of speech in Russia began.
[00:11:36] Everyone seems to remember, yes, Yeltsin,
[00:11:39] Yeltsin was always an apologist for freedom
[00:11:42] of speech, yes, nothing of the sort, of course,
[00:11:45] close to what is happening now, when
[00:11:48] there is no freedom of speech at all
[00:11:50] during Yeltsin.
[00:11:55] There was still
[00:11:57] some freedom, but its suppression began under him, and
[00:12:01] then
[00:12:04] political repressions began already under
[00:12:07] Putin.
[00:12:10] that Putin came to power as a man
[00:12:13] of war, it was war that was his
[00:12:17] political technology, the method
[00:12:20] that allowed him to come to power.
[00:12:24] Often it seems that
[00:12:28] everything is hopeless, meaningless, one gives
[00:12:30] up, but everything that we did,
[00:12:34] are doing, ended with
[00:12:37] grief, yes, such feelings are not only with
[00:12:40] me, many people certainly
[00:12:43] have them, and they cannot but have them, well,
[00:12:47] how to deal with
[00:12:49] this?
[00:12:53] With work, probably.
[00:12:57] Well, how else? We still need to help people.
[00:13:00] So there's no plaque anymore, so there's
[00:13:04] nothing.
[00:13:08] It's no
[00:13:08] longer Memorial.
[00:13:13] Memorial
[00:13:14] was there,
[00:13:17] now it's gone, everything is closed, everything is
[00:13:19] dark.
[00:13:22] Memorial united.
[00:13:33] who remained in power of
[00:13:37] myths about the empire
[00:13:40] for whom the empire was still
[00:13:44] an empire in different senses of the word
[00:13:46] yes pre-revolutionary empire in
[00:13:50] the sense of the tsarist empire of the Soviet
[00:13:53] Union. the revived empire
[00:13:57] now in New Russia an empire as a kind of
[00:14:00] ideal, this is a very difficult
[00:14:03] legacy, a legacy not only
[00:14:07] of the Soviet past, a legacy of all
[00:14:10] the long, difficult, very
[00:14:13] rich history
[00:14:15] of Russia, the question is,
[00:14:19] can Russia not be an empire,
[00:14:23] can it not exist as?
[00:14:55] He is a small cog in this huge machine
[00:14:58] of empire. Look opposite,
[00:15:02] whose bust do we have? Felix Edmundovich
[00:15:05] Dzerzhinsky, the one who created the terrible
[00:15:08] repressive machine, and for
[00:15:11] many he is a hero, despite the fact that
[00:15:14] the Cheka committed terrible crimes. Well, I'm not
[00:15:18] even talking about the letter Z that he hung on the right,
[00:15:21] I think it's very symbolic.
[00:16:07] My mom was the last one we took out of the house, some apartments already had their floors removed,
[00:16:11] windows were broken, as they say, if there was work, I would have
[00:16:15] stayed
[00:19:37] and, in my opinion, this is treason to the homeland, 10
[00:19:41] years, special
[00:19:42] meeting.
[00:19:45] There was a huge sewing factory,
[00:19:49] they sewed military underwear by hand. You had to
[00:19:52] pull the fabric through, they sewed their fingers,
[00:19:56] falling asleep right away. They were sixteen-year-olds,
[00:20:00] eighteen-year-olds, girls, I felt sorry for them. I
[00:20:03] was older, I was already twenty-three.
[00:20:12] but still twenty-three, you see, it was so morally difficult, especially at first, until I
[00:20:15] received a letter from
[00:20:18] home, I didn't know anything, where was
[00:20:21] the child, where was mom, where was husband?
[00:20:24] I had the right to answer one letter
[00:20:27] in six months. So they were all puzzled, where was I,
[00:20:31] why didn't
[00:20:31] I answer?
[00:20:39] I just arrived at Kazansky, took
[00:20:42] a taxi, when I got in the taxi, the driver
[00:20:46] was driving, I was sitting in the back, he looked back, then said:
[00:20:50] are you from the camp? I said, yes, how do you know?
[00:20:53] I already know what kind of person
[00:20:55] I'm driving, not the first one, there was probably
[00:20:59] a stamp like that, he had already
[00:21:02] seen I don't know how to
[00:21:05] choose the right
[00:21:07] word. I'm annoyed,
[00:21:11] I'm annoyed that people still don't
[00:21:14] know the truth to this day.
[00:21:17] You see, when you listen, yes...
[00:21:50] my tongue and thoughts just refuse, I don't
[00:21:53] know, there's a lot I don't
[00:21:57] like.
[00:21:58] The fact that,
[00:22:03] despite glasnost, it seems, for
[00:22:06] everything, for some nonsense,
[00:22:09] suddenly they prosecute, give
[00:22:12] an article, send away, I don't
[00:22:15] like it, I immediately return in my thoughts
[00:22:18] and think with horror: God forbid, God forbid that time does not
[00:22:22] return, God forbid. And I think,
[00:22:26] Lord, if only my grandchildren, great-grandchildren could live in
[00:22:29] a normal country, I just pray to God.
[00:23:35] with the drama theater and the park, well, for me,
[00:23:38] that's my favorite place, where we
[00:23:41] liked to go, just sit,
[00:23:45] fountains,
[00:23:49] it's...
[00:24:13] no matter what changes in my life,
[00:24:15] here in my head, for some reason, home is that
[00:24:19] street. It's so beautiful, we have the sea,
[00:24:22] the south, let's say, a softer character,
[00:24:25] a more freedom-loving
[00:24:28] character, perhaps, I think it will certainly
[00:24:31] be more beautiful, but it will be
[00:24:34] different, and the problem is that I need it,
[00:24:38] right here, but I understand that precisely that is impossible, something
[00:24:41] else is possible, but precisely that is not, and this creates
[00:24:45] such emptiness
[00:24:49] in the soul.
[00:25:20] The war began, shelling, just some chaos in
[00:25:23] the city. Everyone wanted to fight,
[00:25:27] they were ready to fight, with a shovel, with a knife, with
[00:25:31] a stick, with a hunting
[00:25:32] rifle.
[00:25:36] It's totally hardcore, get out on the Russian
[00:25:38] PTR.
[00:25:43] I am not immortal, but not fear, but anger moved
[00:25:47] me. At night... they walked,
[00:25:50] just shooting, because they were drunk, from that side they didn't
[00:25:54] let me go to
[00:25:55] Kras.
[00:26:02] convinced
[00:26:33] Nazism, no, they took it for themselves, they are
[00:26:36] Nazis.
[00:26:41] While the world sleeps, we are dying here.
[00:26:57] President Trump, of course, he is a difficult person. We
[00:27:01] abandoned Ukrainians.
[00:29:24] No protected person may be punished
[00:29:27] for an offense committed not personally by him. Collective
[00:29:31] punishment. As well as any measures of intimidation or
[00:29:34] terror are prohibited. Looting
[00:29:37] is prohibited. Reprisals against
[00:29:40] protected persons, their property, are prohibited.
[00:30:30] Good afternoon, says Radio Svoboda, broadcasting
[00:30:32] and the TV channel Current Time, the program Archeology is on the air, in the
[00:30:36] studio Sergey Medvedev. 86 years ago, in the summer
[00:30:40] of 1940, the USSR occupied and then
[00:30:43] annexed three Baltic countries. Since then, they
[00:30:46] have restored their independence, strengthened their sovereignty, and joined
[00:30:50] the EU and NATO. However, today Moscow is again threatening these
[00:30:53] countries. Is a new Russian attack possible?
[00:30:57] What is the position of Russian-speaking residents of the Baltics?