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[00:00:00] of the military committee, which is ready to help with finding a lawyer
[00:00:03] and writing a legal
[00:00:05] opinion, and if something needs to be picked up in
[00:00:09] the country, to help provide support,
[00:00:12] and there are several such NGOs, like ours, and we always
[00:00:16] tell people to please contact us, we will try to
[00:00:19] help you. Yes, thank you very much for your
[00:00:21] explanation. Margarita Kuchusheva, lawyer for the Consul Anti-War Committee of Russia project, was
[00:00:25] on the line with the "A Person Has the Right" program.
[00:00:29] право".
[00:00:33] Talked to an acquaintance via video call, used the wrong
[00:00:36] emoji in a building chat, quarreled with a neighbor at the
[00:00:40] dacha, all of this in Russia can now become a reason for
[00:00:43] a denunciation. Your words and seemingly harmless
[00:00:47] actions can lead to a fine or even a prison
[00:00:50] sentence. The so-called epidemic of denunciations in
[00:00:53] Russia, which erupted after the start of the war with Ukraine, is attracting
[00:00:57] attention not only from human rights defenders.
[00:01:00] notes that the number of calls to their trust hotlines is steadily
[00:01:04] growing. In 2025 alone, there were almost 147,000 of them,
[00:01:07] one and a half times more than two
[00:01:11] years earlier. Who, and why, in Russia denounces possible violators of
[00:01:15] numerous prohibitive
[00:01:18] laws adopted after the invasion of Ukraine, and
[00:01:21] what this leads to, we will tell you in our
[00:01:24] report:
[00:01:30] full-scale war with Ukraine, Russians are increasingly complaining not
[00:01:33] only about salaries, utilities, and fraudsters, but also about
[00:01:37] each other. In 2022, the prosecutor's office received
[00:01:40] more than 5 million complaints; last year, almost
[00:01:44] 8 million. The FSB also receives more requests. In
[00:01:47] 2 years, calls to their trust hotline have increased by almost one and a half
[00:01:51] times. They complain about neighbors, acquaintances,
[00:01:54] and relatives, and often such complaints lead to fines or
[00:01:57] even imprisonment. One of
[00:02:00] the most recent stories happened in Vladivostok, where on August
[00:02:04] 31, a schoolboy's mother, Ksenia, posted a video about
[00:02:07] how children in school number 61 were ordered
[00:02:09] to wear a chevron with a flying drone, although last year
[00:02:13] it had a feather against the background of the Russian flag. Other
[00:02:16] parents in chats also called the new design strange. When
[00:02:20] journalists wrote about this, the school director said that the chevron was needed
[00:02:24] only for one specialized class, and then she wrote a statement to the police
[00:02:27] against Ksenia. A provocation
[00:02:31] aimed at discrediting the educational institution exactly on
[00:02:35] Knowledge Day and the first day of the Eastern Economic Forum.
[00:02:38] The director claims that the video shows someone else's chevron, although photos
[00:02:42] from the assembly, where these chevrons are visible, are posted on the school's
[00:02:45] own public page. Ksenia has already given an explanation to the precinct police officer, and now she
[00:02:49] faces a fine for unreliable information. After the start of the
[00:02:53] war, denunciation became an easy way to settle scores, and the reason could
[00:02:56] be an emoji in a building chat or carelessly
[00:03:00] spoken words in front of someone. St. Petersburg resident Denis Timofeev,
[00:03:04] for example, on New Year's Eve called an acquaintance on video
[00:03:07] and talked about the army. The acquaintance recorded the conversation and handed it over to
[00:03:11] the police. The defense argued that it was a private
[00:03:14] call, and Timofeev did not publicly disseminate information
[00:03:18] discrediting the army, but the court decided that other people could have
[00:03:21] heard the words and fined Timofeev 30,000
[00:03:25] rubles. In Rostov-on-Don, someone from the residents posted a video in the building chat
[00:03:29] of a Russian military vehicle firing a volley, and
[00:03:32] Sergey Karavainy left a comment with a poop emoji. He explained that
[00:03:36] he was unhappy with whoever posted
[00:03:39] the video, not the army, but a neighbor wrote a complaint and the court imposed
[00:03:43] the same fine on him. Often, such statements are driven by
[00:03:47] old quarrels; in that case, everything might not end with just a fine.
[00:03:51] Hairdresser Anna Alexandrova from Pushkin had
[00:03:54] a long-standing conflict over land with her dacha neighbor. It was
[00:03:57] this neighbor who told the police about her anti-war posts and
[00:04:01] private messages. Alexandrova was sentenced to 5 years and
[00:04:05] two months in a penal colony for fakes about the army. In her last
[00:04:09] word, she said: The history of denunciations in Russia has
[00:04:12] a centuries-old history, and the history of denunciations out of selfish
[00:04:15] motives is a topic that has been repeatedly
[00:04:19] covered not only by lawyers, legal scholars, but also by classics
[00:04:22] of our national literature. Sometimes, people denounce relatives,
[00:04:26] Anna Stepanova, who protested against the garbage...
[00:04:30] in Shies, and then left Russia and became a
[00:04:33] foreign agent. Her cousin, contract soldier Oleg
[00:04:36] Gorin, wrote a statement to the police. In TikTok, he explained
[00:04:40] why: I wrote to the police so that she would lose
[00:04:43] it, not sell it, and the money would not go to support the Armed Forces of Ukraine or into
[00:04:47] her pocket for propaganda and slander. She herself thinks
[00:04:50] that her brother simply wants to take the apartment for himself, but no one has taken it
[00:04:53] from her yet. And also, such accusations turned out to be a very convenient
[00:04:57] way to eliminate business competitors. Paying for publications
[00:05:01] in Western publications has long been common practice for
[00:05:05] Russian entrepreneurs, but previously, they ordered
[00:05:08] laudatory texts about themselves for PR and reputation.
[00:05:11] Now, as the Russian BBC Service reports, they are increasingly
[00:05:15] ordering compromising materials against competitors. For example, in August
[00:05:18] 2025, the EU Reporter website published
[00:05:22] an interview with the former head of Plyos, businessman Alexey Shevtsov,
[00:05:25] where he allegedly called what was happening in Ukraine
[00:05:29] war crimes. Shevtsov says that he did not
[00:05:32] give any interview, and he explains its appearance by his
[00:05:35] conflict over the Fortetsiya Rus hotel.
[00:05:38] The expertise, which the BBC refers to, admits that the voice
[00:05:42] was generated by a neural network, but in October, the Ministry of Justice still recognized
[00:05:46] Shevtsov as a foreign agent, and his lawyers believe that it was
[00:05:50] because of this interview. In the same month, the court, at the suit
[00:05:53] of the prosecutor's office, confiscated from him in favor of the state more than
[00:05:56] 150 real estate objects, shares in companies,
[00:06:00] and income totaling more than a billion rubles, having decided that Shevtsov
[00:06:03] built his business by taking advantage of his position as head of the city. In
[00:06:07] late August, the Cassation Court upheld
[00:06:09] this decision.
[00:06:15] This is the program "A Person Has the Right." My name is Mariana Torochashnikova. Via
[00:06:19] video link with our studio is lawyer Valeria Vitushkina. Valeria,
[00:06:23] hello! Hello. Please
[00:06:26] explain, from a legal
[00:06:29] point of view, what
[00:06:32] does the word "denunciation" mean? Well, it sounds very
[00:06:35] unpleasant. "Snitch," "denunciations." But
[00:06:39] legally, what is it? Generally, in the
[00:06:42] Criminal Procedure Code, there is
[00:06:45] such a basis for conducting a check,
[00:06:48] then, as an option, for the criminal
[00:06:52] case itself, as a
[00:06:54] statement about a crime. That is, in general,
[00:06:58] if you try to fit it into
[00:07:00] some legal framework, it could
[00:07:04] be such a statement about a crime. Of course, in
[00:07:07] general, "denouncer" is not a legal category, because these are just
[00:07:11] people who...
[00:07:43] I think we should immediately define
[00:07:46] that denunciations come in
[00:07:49] many, many varieties. Today,
[00:07:52] we will probably talk about
[00:07:55] denunciations in political cases,
[00:07:59] when people are eventually prosecuted for
[00:08:02] words or complain that someone
[00:08:06] expresses, for example, an anti-war
[00:08:09] position, and most often, evidence
[00:08:12] is still attached to such denunciations, because people
[00:08:16] directly try, for some
[00:08:18] reasons (we can discuss them), to record certain
[00:08:21] violations. But on the other hand, if the
[00:08:25] police, the Investigative Committee, and the FSB have a goal
[00:08:29] to prosecute someone for something, they will only need
[00:08:33] some pretext, even if no evidence
[00:08:36] is attached to the denunciation statement, and it will be simply
[00:08:40] enough to have some reference,
[00:08:43] statement, and so on. They will conduct everything themselves,
[00:08:47] find everything themselves. They are fine with that. You said
[00:08:50] that there are people who
[00:08:54] specifically provide evidence
[00:08:57] confirming their words. Who are these
[00:09:00] people? Who generally writes denunciations in
[00:09:03] Russia most often, and why? I think
[00:09:07] we all know that there are professional
[00:09:10] denunciators, sometimes even people
[00:09:14] from state structures, some deputies,
[00:09:17] most often these are, of course, deputies of United Russia, these can be
[00:09:21] State Duma deputies, these can be deputies of some
[00:09:24] regional legislative bodies, they
[00:09:28] simply prove their loyalty
[00:09:32] to the system. For example, when last year there was this
[00:09:36] big case against the Stop Time group, we all
[00:09:40] eventually found out that the prosecution
[00:09:51] began with a statement
[00:09:55] from a deputy. This is the most banal, typical example of a denunciation. There are, of course, denunciations from ordinary people who, honestly, are not even
[00:09:58] paid for it. Well, I mean, I say "even," but maybe
[00:10:02] it could be explained by money, but
[00:10:05] some people truly believe in it, some
[00:10:09] are simply afraid that they will be arrested. They monitor
[00:10:13] their neighbors, surroundings, and various chats, parent and building chats, and so
[00:10:17] on. Everyone has their own values.
[00:10:19] Are law enforcement agencies obligated to react to such
[00:10:23] denunciations in which... for example, there is no evidence
[00:10:26] or to anonymous messages? How does this
[00:10:29] story work? From the point of view of the law,
[00:10:32] we have no difference
[00:10:35] whether a statement is anonymous or not. So even
[00:10:38] anonymous ones should be
[00:10:41] considered. But in any case, you need to understand that
[00:10:45] anonymous statements in Russia, well, they are not anonymous, because if you submit them
[00:10:49] from within Russia, it's very easy to track who actually
[00:10:52] submitted them. Now, regarding evidence, again, it costs the security forces
[00:10:56] nothing to
[00:11:00] assess, as it were, at the outset, whether there is a
[00:11:03] basis for verification. The other question is that very
[00:11:06] often, for example, people come to me with the question, "I was
[00:11:09] threatened that a denunciation would be written
[00:11:13] against me for my post on Telegram, what should
[00:11:16] I do?" And I always basically tell people that it's
[00:11:20] not a fact that the denunciation will proceed.
[00:11:24] That is, I
[00:11:55] if there is some threat, I by no means
[00:11:59] say that one should take risks, because one needs to evaluate one's
[00:12:02] safety, because the situation in Russia is very, very
[00:12:05] dangerous. In general, as we have said many
[00:12:08] times, these posts on the Internet are
[00:12:11] ongoing offenses. For example, for
[00:12:15] discrediting, the statute of limitations is 3 months, and how is it
[00:12:18] counted? It is counted not from the moment you wrote
[00:12:22] the post, but from the moment the security forces
[00:12:25] discovered the post. That is, if, for example, someone wrote a post in May
[00:12:29] 2022, unfortunately, even now
[00:12:31] they can be held accountable for it. But you
[00:12:35] can, as it were, stop the statute of
[00:12:38] limitations if you delete the post. So
[00:12:42] if you are worried that you have become a victim of denunciation,
[00:12:45] delete it. If your offense,
[00:12:48] the offense is related to a publication on
[00:12:51] the Internet, you can either delete the post,
[00:12:55] close the account, but only then will it help if
[00:12:59] you know all your subscribers precisely. But if it is,
[00:13:02] for example, connected with some public action, for example, you went out
[00:13:06] with a poster, then unfortunately, nothing can be done.
[00:13:09] Can you tell me, if a
[00:13:12] person was denounced, but
[00:13:16] in fact they were slandered, do they still have
[00:13:19] any opportunities to be rehabilitated in Russia, to prosecute this slanderer?
[00:13:22] привлечь этого клеветника.
[00:13:55] in grave and especially grave crimes, that is, roughly speaking,
[00:13:59] but at the same time, what is important, these actions must be committed
[00:14:02] publicly, that is, yes,
[00:14:05] there is very, very little practice that
[00:14:09] if someone wrote a statement to
[00:14:12] a state body, but the statement turned out
[00:14:15] to be false, then one person, I read this court
[00:14:18] decision, was held accountable for libel.
[00:14:22] But this case was against a person
[00:14:26] who filed a complaint against an official. It is difficult
[00:14:29] for me to imagine that an ordinary citizen would be
[00:14:32] protected. As for a separate article on
[00:14:35] knowingly false
[00:14:37] denunciation,
[00:14:39] the investigator who will conduct the check must
[00:14:43] establish that the denunciation was
[00:14:46] knowingly false, meaning not just false, that the person
[00:14:50] made a mistake, but that this person knowingly understood that
[00:14:53] what, for example, the other
[00:14:56] person posted, is not a crime.
[00:14:59] Well, in general, it turns out that practically
[00:15:03] the chances of rehabilitation, in such a case,
[00:15:05] are very small. In your
[00:15:09] opinion, has there
[00:15:11] really been an epidemic of denunciations
[00:15:15] in the country after Russia started
[00:15:18] such an aggressive war in Ukraine, after
[00:15:22] February 2022, or has it already
[00:15:25] begun to decline? There are definitely more of them
[00:15:28] since the start of the war, and I
[00:15:31] wouldn't say it's declining, that is, we can clearly see that
[00:15:34] many people are contacting us about denunciations. That
[00:15:38] is, as I said, not all denunciations
[00:15:42] go anywhere, but certainly
[00:15:45] many people are writing about being told that there
[00:15:48] will be a denunciation regarding their actions.
[00:15:51] So I definitely don't see any decline. Thank
[00:15:54] you very much for your explanation, Valeria Vitushkina, lawyer, was on
[00:15:58] the line with the program, "A Person Has the
[00:16:00] Right."
[00:16:05] The court in Novgorod delivered, perhaps,
[00:16:07] the harshest sentence in modern Russia in a case of online stalking and bullying
[00:16:11] that nearly led to the death of a young girl.
[00:16:15] Twenty-one-year-old Mikhail Shalimov was sentenced to 12
[00:16:18] years in a strict-regime penal colony. After a conflict in
[00:16:21] a game chat, he relentlessly harassed a schoolgirl
[00:16:25] from Ufa for months, sending her threats, ordering night deliveries to her
[00:16:28] home, publishing pornographic materials in the name
[00:16:31] of her relatives, and driving her to attempt suicide. According to
[00:16:35] the Internet Development Fund, every
[00:16:37] fourth Russian teenager has encountered insults, bullying, or
[00:16:40] harassment online. However, in
[00:16:44] Russian legislation, issues of countering cyberbullying and
[00:16:48] cyberstalking, and punishment for them, are not
[00:16:50] addressed.
[00:16:58] It all started with an online game in spring 2024.
[00:17:01] 21-year-old Mikhail Shalimov met a ninth-grader from
[00:17:04] Ufa in a Minecraft-dedicated community. A conflict
[00:17:08] arose between them. Shalimov threatened the schoolgirl with problems and demanded
[00:17:12] a public apology. Diana refused. After that,
[00:17:15] Shalimov began bullying the girl online, sending threats to her and her
[00:17:19] family, creating accounts in Diana's name and posting, for example,
[00:17:22] videos of animal abuse there. Gradually, the bullying
[00:17:26] extended beyond the internet. Shalimov ordered couriers to the Ufa resident's address
[00:17:29] in the middle of the night, wrote nasty things in the building chat in Diana's
[00:17:33] mother's name, hung up ads around the city with the schoolgirl's
[00:17:36] photo and the caption "Wanted: Animal Abuser." In Diana's name, he called the
[00:17:39] police and reported bomb threats at a school, a shopping center, and
[00:17:42] an enterprise. According to the criminal case materials, Shalimov
[00:17:46] demanded that the schoolgirl commit suicide, promising to stop the harassment only after that.
[00:17:49] Diana tried to do it. The Novgorod District Court found
[00:17:53] Shalimov guilty of driving a minor to attempt
[00:17:56] suicide and organizing knowingly false reports of
[00:17:59] terrorist acts. In Veliky Novgorod, Shalimov had already been tried under other
[00:18:03] articles for lewd acts against minors and the manufacture
[00:18:06] and storage of pornographic materials. Taking
[00:18:10] into account the previous sentence, the final punishment
[00:18:14] was 12 years in a strict-regime penal colony. The first high-profile cases of online bullying and so-called
[00:18:18] "death groups" appeared almost 10 years ago. For example, in
[00:18:21] 2017, Philip Budeykin, known online as Philip
[00:18:25] Lis, received 3 years and 4 months in a settlement colony for driving
[00:18:29] minors to suicide using social networks. A year
[00:18:32] later, Ilya Sidorov, whom the investigation also considered
[00:18:35] a curator of one of these groups, received 3 years in a settlement
[00:18:38] colony. In 2025, the creator of the Blue Whale
[00:18:42] channel, Ilya Pogiblov, was already sentenced to nine years in a strict-regime
[00:18:45] penal colony. The court found him guilty, in particular, of organizing
[00:18:49] online activities aimed at inciting suicide and inclining
[00:18:53] minors to suicide. As Novaya Gazeta wrote, about
[00:18:57] 130 teenagers allegedly became victims
[00:19:00] of Blue Whale or other death groups. Today, online bullying takes
[00:19:03] new forms. Some content, for example, deepfakes, is created in just a few
[00:19:07] seconds using neural networks. One such case was recently heard by
[00:19:11] a court in Vladimir. There, schoolchildren used a neural network to create
[00:19:15] indecent images of their classmate, and then
[00:19:18] distributed them on a Telegram channel. The mother went to court. The culprits and
[00:19:21] the educational institution were ordered to pay compensation for moral
[00:19:24] damages. According to the statistics of the Monitoring Center "Security
[00:19:28] 2.0," in 2025, about 10,000 cases
[00:19:31] of cyberbullying involving
[00:19:34] minors were recorded in Russia. This is 14% more than
[00:19:38] a year earlier. However, for online violence, which includes
[00:19:41] stalking, bullying, and harassment, words
[00:19:44] are enough. So, in early September, a court in Vologda sentenced a student
[00:19:48] of a local university to 2.5 years of suspended imprisonment for inciting
[00:19:51] a 20-year-old girl to suicide. Mediazona
[00:19:54] established that the accused is probably named Stepan Shalyapin. According to
[00:19:58] the case materials, he systematically sent messages from different
[00:20:01] accounts to the victim, encouraging her to self-harm or commit
[00:20:05] suicide. According to world statistics, as of 2025,
[00:20:08] approximately 38% of women have
[00:20:11] experienced online violence at least once, and
[00:20:14] 85% have been witnesses to it.
[00:20:16] Every twelfth
[00:20:20] child
[00:20:21] has been subjected to sexual harassment online.
[00:20:26] This is the program "A Person Has the Right." My name is Mariana Trocheshnikova.
[00:20:30] Joining our studio via video link is feminist and author of the YouTube channel
[00:20:34] "Lego of Discord," Zalina Marshenkulova. Zalina, hello!
[00:20:39] Hello. Please tell me, why
[00:20:42] are women and girls especially often victims
[00:20:46] of cyberstalking and cyberbullying? Is
[00:20:50] this related to gender stereotypes, or is it a
[00:20:53] misconception that girls and women
[00:20:57] are most often affected by online violence? No, this is not
[00:21:01] a misconception. There are studies confirming this, just as
[00:21:04] women are more and most often affected by physical violence,
[00:21:08] they are also affected by cyberviolence, among other things.
[00:21:10] This is because there is already a
[00:21:14] learned misogyny, woman-hatred, which prevails,
[00:21:17] especially in patriarchal society. Russia
[00:21:20] is a maximally patriarchal country.
[00:21:23] But there is also another reason:
[00:21:26] impunity, the absence of any
[00:21:29] protective mechanisms. Yes,
[00:21:32] a person in Russia, especially a woman, cannot
[00:21:35] protect herself from harassment by some
[00:21:37] inadequate person.
[00:21:40] There are no such tools, for example, like a restraining order not
[00:21:44] to approach within 200 meters. There are no such laws,
[00:21:48] so this leads to absolute lawlessness. It leads to
[00:21:52] girls being abducted in broad daylight, as there have been
[00:21:55] several such cases. Some
[00:21:58] heroes of their own stories abduct them, shove them into a car,
[00:22:02] and nothing will happen to them. Yes, but
[00:22:04] this is still, roughly speaking, moving from
[00:22:08] online to real life, and it seems as
[00:22:12] if law enforcement agencies treat
[00:22:15] cyberstalking and cyberbullying in the same way?
[00:22:19] кибертравле?
[00:22:50] as if you were being bullied in person and told that you are a nobody,
[00:22:53] die, something like that. That is, in reality, the harm
[00:22:57] from online bullying is real. It's not some
[00:23:00] fantasy, it's not some nonsense. It's
[00:23:03] absolutely abnormal, I don't know, to
[00:23:07] encounter a huge number of threats or death wishes online.
[00:23:10] But this is also not regulated at all, because,
[00:23:13] yes, there is such a thing. In reality, if we specifically consider
[00:23:17] Russia, then in Russia...
[00:23:50] In general, society often does not
[00:23:53] take this digital violence seriously, and
[00:23:56] often blames the victim, saying, "Well, you shouldn't be
[00:24:00] online, posting your photos," because
[00:24:03] in general, a society
[00:24:06] that
[00:24:10] normalizes violence normalizes any
[00:24:13] violence. In Russia, domestic violence is still
[00:24:17] considered normal. People have not yet concluded
[00:24:21] whether it is acceptable to hit children or not, for example, in the family. This is still considered, for some reason,
[00:24:25] a subject for discussion. And what can we say about
[00:24:28] cyberviolence, which is not taken seriously at all? Moreover,
[00:24:32] many people actually perceive this
[00:24:34] option, to insult someone, to threaten someone, to
[00:24:37] pour out all their poison, all their negativity,
[00:24:41] they perceive it as their, I don't
[00:24:44] know, not so much a privilege, but a free time
[00:24:47] pastime. That's how they probably perceive it, like, "I have the
[00:24:50] right to do this." I think people don't even think about
[00:24:54] how much they dehumanize someone on
[00:24:57] the Internet. What problems arise
[00:25:01] for specific people, for specific girls and young women, in
[00:25:05] cases where they do not find support, well,
[00:25:08] from the state, from law enforcement
[00:25:11] agencies, after cyber
[00:25:15] violence? What huge problems! As someone who has repeatedly
[00:25:19] defended women who were bullied online
[00:25:22] for no clear reason, for nothing at all, in fact,
[00:25:25] even more interestingly, for nothing at all. That is, they said nothing, did nothing wrong, simply
[00:25:29] because they can bully, because they can. They delete their
[00:25:33] social media, I don't know, some end up in a mental hospital
[00:25:36] with a nervous breakdown, some tried to
[00:25:39] commit suicide. This is all very serious. It
[00:25:43] has huge consequences. It's surprising
[00:25:46] that many people don't understand this when...
[00:26:32] here because it is a completely absurd and monstrous case. This
[00:26:36] is simply how a fourteen-year-old girl is being bullied by some
[00:26:39] adult man, for no clear reason, completely
[00:26:42] inadequate, just because she changed the name of a game chat,
[00:26:46] although she didn't change it and it wasn't her. That is, it's unclear for
[00:26:50] what reason she generally provoked his desire to
[00:26:53] harass her and poison her life in every
[00:26:57] possible way, that this is generally unthinkable,
[00:27:00] an underage girl and some adult
[00:27:04] inadequate man. This is just complete madness. Therefore, of course, this
[00:27:08] case, of course, had to
[00:27:10] become high-profile. Of course, they had to do something about it. It's just unthinkable.
[00:27:14] But I think if it wasn't an underage girl, but just
[00:27:18] some adult woman, I don't think such a thing would have happened. there would be no resonance, there
[00:27:21] would be no resonance or there would be no case,
[00:27:25] I think there would be no case, there are a huge number of women
[00:27:28] who are physically persecuted by former partners, physically directly, yes, that is, not online, physically
[00:27:32] not... life near their home, they are stalked, or something else, and they cannot
[00:27:35] get any case against them to succeed, in your opinion,
[00:27:38] in this situation, in these conditions, would it
[00:27:41] help, well, I don't know, the adoption of
[00:27:45] some specialized law or the development of legal
[00:27:48] mechanisms against obsessive persecution, including
[00:27:52] online, or
[00:27:54] would life develop
[00:27:58] its own way, and no one would pay attention to the law?
[00:28:02] I'm afraid that in Russia no more regulating, restricting
[00:28:06] laws should be made, because
[00:28:08] now almost all laws are used as
[00:28:12] repression, as repressive
[00:28:15] laws, and of course, this law, even
[00:28:18] if it existed, which prohibits cyberbullying, it would naturally
[00:28:22] be directed not against real scum, maniacs and
[00:28:26] villains, I don't know, pedophiles, but it would work
[00:28:29] against some ordinary good people, as almost
[00:28:33] all good people in Russia are already in prison,
[00:28:35] so I am not advocating for such legislative
[00:28:39] restrictions, here we need to fight only with
[00:28:43] public resonance, unfortunately, in such a case, society must stop
[00:28:46] normalizing violence in
[00:28:48] general, because violence is still normalized against
[00:28:52] women, against domestic violence with words that it
[00:28:56] will harm, I don't know, mm
[00:28:59] traditional family in some way, hinting that... that the traditional
[00:29:03] family is based on violence against women, obviously,
[00:29:06] this must be, when they stop normalizing this at the state level, then
[00:29:10] the attitude towards cyberviolence will begin to change,
[00:29:14] and as long as physical violence is still
[00:29:17] considered, well, not a big deal, how will we come to the conclusion that cyberviolence
[00:29:21] is bad? Uh-huh, yes, thank you very much for your comments
[00:29:25] to Lina Marshenkulova, feminist, author of the YouTube
[00:29:28] channel Lega Razdora, she was on the line with the program, "A Person Has the Right."
[00:29:35] This was the program "A Person Has the Right," it was hosted by me, Maryana Trachashnikova,
[00:29:39] see you on the air of Radio Svoboda and the Current Time TV channel.
[00:30:27] The most massive attack on Moscow using cruise missiles and drones.
[00:30:30] The Moscow oil refinery and a number of other facilities were again under attack.
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[00:30:49] Hello. Let's move on to the main topic of today.
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