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[00:01:00] is gathering, we know that you will destroy us,
[00:01:04] so we will break through, open
[00:01:06] a corridor for us to break through, we will leave the city, and there will be no
[00:01:10] bloodshed, tell Maskhadov, I answer them,
[00:01:14] I surrounded you to destroy you, we will bomb
[00:01:17] and shell, we will bring you to such a state that you
[00:01:21] will break through yourselves, and then we will take
[00:01:24] all of you warm, who will survive, but
[00:01:28] the question is, how is he going to do it?
[00:02:03] The 48-hour general's ultimatum expires tonight at
[00:02:06] midnight, apparently, the last attempt to stop the massacre was made
[00:02:10] today by the Secretary of the Security Council, Alexander Lebed. I am not going to
[00:02:13] persuade anyone, I command here, I have legitimate
[00:02:17] powers. If I had known how things would turn out, I would not have
[00:02:20] let Lebed into Grozny, I would have thrown him onto
[00:02:24] the runway of a tank, his plane would never have landed
[00:02:27] in Khankala. And while...
[00:03:30] it will be his will,
[00:03:33] freely, guys, he changed his point of view in a few
[00:03:36] months, when he faced this, Lebed wanted
[00:03:40] a seven-minute glory of a peacemaker,
[00:03:43] saying that no one can solve the problem of Chechnya for almost 2
[00:03:46] years, and he, yes, with one swoop, with one stroke
[00:03:50] of a pen, with just his appearance, with his
[00:03:53] Bonapartist onslaught, we are all in shit, and he is in
[00:03:56] white, for immeasurable ambition,
[00:04:08] if they had let the guys finish the first war, there would have been no second, that's what we decided with the mothers,
[00:04:11] our men were very much against it, let us
[00:04:15] finish, it was self-deception, yes, we
[00:04:19] are like that, if it wasn't for Lebed, we would have nothing,
[00:04:22] they would not have done anything, because they did not know
[00:04:25] the specifics of Chechnya, they did not know the people.
[00:05:00] The tsar of the Security Council, Lebed, is bringing a peaceful
[00:05:03] plan, he will finally cross out
[00:05:06] all the goals of the protracted
[00:05:08] special operation. We met in his
[00:05:11] office. Then he showed me
[00:05:15] the text, and I read it and said: "Hmm,
[00:05:18] maybe there's something
[00:05:21] to this." Then he said: "Okay, pass
[00:05:25] this to the Chechen side." There were
[00:05:28] some Chechens who started cursing, "What
[00:05:31] is this, we don't accept this at all." Then
[00:05:35] I said, "Wait, wait, this is just an appendix, we
[00:05:39] could probably talk about this."
[00:05:52] On August 11, in the east of Chechnya, a
[00:05:55] car traveling from Dagestan
[00:05:58] came under fire. There were no casualties.
[00:06:02] In the car was Lebed, secretly arrived from Moscow,
[00:06:05] with his security and escorts from the
[00:06:09] militants, including 19.
[00:06:43] perfectly understood each other, the main discussion was how to
[00:06:46] end the war, withdraw troops, so that there would be no
[00:06:50] provocation, to quell this wave
[00:06:52] of tension.
[00:06:56] During these negotiations, shooting started several
[00:06:59] times, you never
[00:07:03] know who starts, and Maskhadov and Lebed, interrupting
[00:07:06] the negotiations, roared at their own,
[00:07:09] "Stop, cease fire."
[00:07:44] Alexander Ivanovich, who sat next to
[00:07:48] me in the first row of this helicopter,
[00:07:51] he, you see, politely but firmly asked
[00:07:55] the pilot to move over, and he took his place, so we
[00:07:59] sat there early in the morning, it was already
[00:08:01] dawning,
[00:08:06] negotiations began, not very constructively, because
[00:08:09] people were emotionally overwhelmed.
[00:08:42] wouldn't have accepted your words, to my
[00:08:45] astonishment Lebed pressed
[00:08:48] and pressed Maskhadov as if
[00:08:51] the advantage was on his side, in such a way that both
[00:08:55] sides could say, "Well,
[00:08:56] nothing."
[00:09:01] What the delegations of Lebed and Maskhadov
[00:09:04] would achieve in the city of Khasavyurt
[00:09:07] would go down in the history of Russian diplomacy
[00:09:10] unusual document, not...
[00:09:14] Joint statement,
[00:09:18] it begins with the words: "We, the undersigned."
[00:09:20] And who are the undersigned? In
[00:09:23] textbooks of the Putin era,
[00:09:26] this document will be called criminal, but
[00:09:30] it is this document that will put an end
[00:09:32] to the bloodshed. Let's stop
[00:09:35] the killing, and then the politicians
[00:09:39] and so on will talk.
[00:10:12] without weapons, APCs, why
[00:10:15] aren't they named? Each side will
[00:10:18] use any opportunity
[00:10:22] to interpret any loophole in its favor.
[00:10:28] And so, line by line,
[00:10:31] formulation by formulation, and this
[00:10:34] was the Khasavyurt
[00:10:36] agreement.
[00:10:39] The end,
[00:10:41] enough,
[00:10:52] peace achieved in Khasav-Yurt.
[00:11:25] unfortunately, they
[00:11:26] didn't implement it,
[00:11:31] it's impossible to wage a war when society doesn't
[00:11:34] support you, and society at that moment was absolutely
[00:11:38] against this
[00:11:38] war.
[00:11:44] A small part of the Russian troops, according to the original
[00:11:48] plan, were supposed to remain in Chechnya,
[00:11:51] however, Moscow would magnanimously
[00:11:55] abandon even that. Again, I would recall here the role of
[00:11:58] Berezovsky, who was entrusted to get involved
[00:12:02] in this whole story and use some of his capabilities. We
[00:12:05] met in his large
[00:12:09] house, I said, suppose
[00:12:11] 5,000 soldiers of the Russian army in
[00:12:15] Chechnya, Chechens capture
[00:12:17] them as
[00:12:20] hostages,
[00:12:22] this is very dangerous, this was my argument, either
[00:12:26] many or none, why
[00:12:29] not leave with all the troops,
[00:12:32] then he had a meeting with
[00:12:35] Yeltsin, then
[00:12:39] Boris Abramovich returned and said:
[00:12:41] "That's it." I asked, "What's it?" "That's it."
[00:12:58] They wanted us to run away from there like cockroaches, and
[00:13:02] it was shameful for the country when the militants screamed after us,
[00:13:05] shot in the air with cries of Allah Akbar, insulted
[00:13:09] and threatened. Whoever participated in this withdrawal
[00:13:12] of troops will have a bitterness in their soul for the rest of their life,
[00:13:15] a bitterness for Russia, for the state, and
[00:13:19] we did not start this war, we do not need this war, on the one hand it seems like
[00:13:22] some kind of betrayal, they all seemed to have started...
[00:14:05] However, this was not the end of the Chechen
[00:14:08] war, and it seems both sides suspected
[00:14:12] it.
[00:14:14] The war is indeed over, we need to create conditions
[00:14:18] so that there is no
[00:14:21] I remember how immediately after
[00:14:24] the signing, the agreement was chewed up
[00:14:27] there in the Khasavyurt house,
[00:14:30] Maskhadov told me that, yes, I am generally
[00:14:33] speaking, a Soviet officer, but these
[00:14:36] guys, they are very hot-headed, he said, nodding towards his
[00:14:40] companions, and it's very difficult. Lukin,
[00:14:44] I think, during the Khasavyurt negotiations said
[00:14:47] that, well, don't relax too much, 5 years of peace
[00:14:50] conclusion, we will still come back to you and take...
[00:14:55] On the other hand, if a war is going badly, then to take
[00:14:59] a break in order to reorganize one's own
[00:15:01] forces, using military or non-military means, this is a natural
[00:15:05] path, the right
[00:15:06] path.
[00:15:16] We are not terrorists, we have never committed terrorist acts.
[00:15:19] In any case, this is
[00:15:21] terrorist, judges, not who by education. Chechens
[00:15:56] failed to build exactly the state they
[00:15:59] talked about, dreamed of, a real
[00:16:02] chance appeared, which was secured, among other things, by the signatures
[00:16:05] of the OSCE, to the Chechen. this chance is missed due to their
[00:16:09] mentality, everyone thought that they could
[00:16:12] fix the situation, that they would do it right, it is very
[00:16:15] difficult to build a state when 1 million
[00:16:19] people and 1 million
[00:16:20] presidents live in it.
[00:16:23] There are kidnapped persons, released among the kidnapped
[00:16:27] persons, officers, privates, contract soldiers. Yes, you release
[00:16:31] them, but why release them, this is private property
[00:16:34] of Chechens, wasn't that nightmare that
[00:16:37] occurred in interwar Chechnya spilling over into
[00:16:41] Russia, isn't that the consequence of Khasavyurt, it's the consequence
[00:16:44] of war, first of all, the main crime
[00:16:48] is that this war was started, not that it
[00:16:51] was ended. Khasavyurt is an episode of this
[00:16:54] war. Any halt to a war is
[00:16:58] a compromise, if we have no victor and no
[00:17:01] vanquished, then it's a compromise. Yeltsin went for this compromise,
[00:17:05] which ultimately led to the second Chechen war, our
[00:17:09] direct duty is to restore law
[00:17:13] and order on this
[00:17:15] land. Good heavens, you
[00:17:19] bury your comrades, your
[00:17:21] friends every month, how can
[00:17:25] you want this again?
[00:17:39] I'm Konstantin Goldenshveig, in '96, I'm 12. I
[00:17:42] know nothing about Chechnya, but I like Russian rock and
[00:17:46] Hollywood movies. I have a pen pal in the States, and I also
[00:17:49] dream of visiting Europe. In our hometown of Ryazan, we
[00:17:53] live poorly, but even there, believe me, there's a sense
[00:17:56] of rapid change and incredible freedom. On
[00:18:00] our street, there's a tiny rally against the Chechen war, but against
[00:18:03] the backdrop of other turbulent events, it doesn't seem significant.
[00:18:07] 30 years will pass, and taking on this film,
[00:18:11] I myself will be surprised how much of what surrounds us originates
[00:18:14] from there, from the first Chechen war. That
[00:18:18] time, the mid-nineties, supposedly the happiest era,
[00:18:21] was the beginning of the end.
[00:18:24] It seems absurd that from the multitude of private tragedies
[00:18:28] of the burned house in Samashki and those beaten in railway cars in Mozdok,
[00:18:32] the blown-up school in Grozny, from these fragments, that
[00:18:36] heap of glass would form, around which in the end would be not
[00:18:39] Chechnya, but all of us. Or is it not so
[00:18:43] straightforward?
[00:18:46] It's up to you to decide. What is certain is that these mountains of the Caucasus
[00:18:50] are not Chechen. We are in Georgia,
[00:18:52] why? Well, if briefly, because in Russia
[00:18:56] there is still
[00:18:57] war.
[00:19:00] It is reported that in the western part of the city, Russian fighters hoisted
[00:19:04] the tricolor on the roof of one of the houses, the situation for the new commander.
[00:19:37] into two parts: Russia and everyone
[00:19:40] else.
[00:19:42] Well, I think we jumped on the last
[00:19:45] step,
[00:19:49] we don't want them to tread on our Russian
[00:19:53] land.
[00:19:55] The First Chechen War finally legalized
[00:19:58] violence as a way to solve
[00:20:01] problems. It was generally as bloody and
[00:20:04] lawless as the current war in Ukraine. There would have been no war in
[00:20:08] Ukraine without the war in Chechnya, this is
[00:20:12] the most important link in this chain of wars, chain of crimes, and
[00:20:15] chain of impunity, this is such, I would say,
[00:20:19] an inoculation of cruelty,
[00:20:22] when a huge number of destroyed
[00:20:25] lives, fates, and ultimately just
[00:20:28] deaths, it turns out that this can be
[00:20:30] survived, well, it happens, well, I will
[00:20:34] answer with the words of Andrei Voznesensky.
[00:20:38] Everything returns to its own circles,
[00:20:41] only these circles rotate, let's talk about Chechnya
[00:20:44] as history,
[00:20:48] when Putin is no longer there, for whatever reasons, what will happen to
[00:20:51] Chechnya? I would rephrase this
[00:20:54] question, what will happen to Russia?
[00:20:57] The question today also exists, what
[00:21:01] is Russia? if it's a national
[00:21:04] state, who are these people?
[00:21:08] Ukrainians, as the Kremlin sees it,
[00:21:11] are they people in one state
[00:21:14] or not? and this question was also in
[00:21:18] Chechnya, who are the Chechens? This is when
[00:21:21] they tell me: well, we still won, the answer to
[00:21:25] this is very simple: Grozny was
[00:21:29] a Russian city, but now we won,
[00:21:32] Grozny is a Chechen city,
[00:21:35] the Russians have disappeared somewhere, in
[00:21:38] Moscow, Chechens feel like
[00:21:41] masters, so where do the winners live now, where do they
[00:21:45] walk around with golden pistols?
[00:21:49] This is... the collapse of the empire, which we are going through not
[00:21:53] for the first time, but we need to understand that nothing is over yet.
[00:26:58] Boris Nemtsov was shot near the Kremlin.
[00:27:08] If something happens to me, there will be a scandal not only in
[00:27:12] Moscow, but all over the world. They
[00:27:15] killed my father, I cannot just
[00:27:17] remain silent.
[00:27:22] I had no ambition to become a public figure,
[00:27:25] an activist or anything of that sort. To imagine that my
[00:27:29] life would be like that, no, impossible.
[00:27:34] Do you have strong evidence that Putin
[00:27:37] directly ordered this, because what you said
[00:27:41] is the most direct accusation against a Russian leader in all
[00:27:45] history.
[00:27:49] What you have managed to do here is absolutely incredible, I
[00:27:53] mean the foundation that you created here in Germany, the Boris Nemtsov
[00:27:57] Foundation.
[00:28:00] All graduates. my great inspiration and my
[00:28:04] motivation to do what I have been doing for 8
[00:29:12] a Russian-made assault rifle, a Kalashnikov
[00:29:15] assault rifle, the twelfth, modernized,
[00:29:19] the history of the assault rifle is such that it was captured in battle here in
[00:29:22] Ukraine, this assault rifle, now it serves
[00:29:26] in the Sheikh Mansur
[00:29:28] battalion.
[00:30:07] we conduct
[00:30:08] assaults,
[00:30:15] we are ready to starve, we are ready for any
[00:30:18] hardships, just not to be slaves
[00:30:21] of the Russian
[00:30:22] Federation,
[00:30:30] so it was an arrival here... Orlans are circling, so come on,
[00:30:56] yes, I remember, it was.