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[00:00:20] Russia has no bright
[00:00:27] future. Putin is an engineer at heart, he is a techie
[00:00:31] at heart, he needs to be morally humiliated, why not
[00:00:34] throw tomatoes, but forgive me, you are already asking
[00:00:38] me like Vanga what will happen to the
[00:00:42] country, as a state, will it survive?
[00:00:44] Yeltsin, the Russian God on earth, I will
[00:00:47] revive you,
[00:00:54] historian and publicist Ivan Tolstoy on Deutsche
[00:00:57] Welle, according to his own words, he worked
[00:01:00] as a fortune teller, he spoke in the program "In Trendi"
[00:01:03] about why, in his opinion, Putin will never be
[00:01:06] overthrown, how the West should punish conductor
[00:01:10] Valery Gergiev, and why today one should read the books
[00:01:13] of Lenin. Ivan Tolstoy, welcome to the program "In Trendi" on Ode
[00:01:17] Choovle. Thank you, by the way, one of your interviews struck
[00:01:20] me, in which you said
[00:01:23] that the people of Russia
[00:01:25] are unscrupulous, and this is the main feature.
[00:02:00] They will tell you: you have been living abroad since the late eighties, early
[00:02:04] nineties, you
[00:02:07] certainly visit there, you used to cross over, more precisely, in
[00:02:10] Russia, you hosted programs,
[00:02:13] but you don't know the country well enough
[00:02:17] to judge it, and even so,
[00:02:20] no, I have not stopped being Russian, I may have
[00:02:24] stopped being Russian, but that's a technical problem, and
[00:02:28] about Russians, she said it best.
[00:03:00] They should be oriented, they should
[00:03:02] be, but it's all about statistics, you understand, compared to
[00:03:05] the French nervous, laughing and
[00:03:09] a little tipsy God, the Russian God
[00:03:12] sleeps more than he should, God
[00:03:15] is generally not responsible for what happens, he
[00:03:19] gave birth, then you friend, friend yourself, act
[00:03:22] yourself, but the Russian God turned on his side
[00:03:26] sleeps facing the wall, tell me.
[00:04:00] there is nothing more false, why?
[00:04:03] such a God, a money God, a corrupt
[00:04:06] God, he became so only in
[00:04:09] the very last years, generally speaking, in Russian society
[00:04:13] the attitude towards money was sharply negative, as something
[00:04:16] completely shameful, the Russian
[00:04:19] intelligentsia, that is, the active part of society, money is
[00:04:22] shameful, the measure of peace should not be
[00:04:26] produced through money, but through something else, through...
[00:04:31] philanthropy, through justice, through
[00:04:35] magnanimity, through mutual aid,
[00:04:38] through friendship, through, whatever you want, just not through
[00:04:41] money, no, I categorically disagree, how do you then
[00:04:45] explain
[00:04:47] quite a lot of people who voluntarily
[00:04:50] went, I know there are very different situations, sometimes people are driven to
[00:04:54] a contract and so on, but quite a lot of people in Russia
[00:04:57] went to fight for money. to kill for money, to die
[00:05:01] for money, I am critical of this statistic, look at
[00:05:04] the population, how many
[00:05:07] people of military age, capable
[00:05:10] of going, and how many went to...
[00:05:46] and they did not allow Bukovsky and his team to achieve their goal, because Bukovsky was not going
[00:05:50] to imprison anyone, not a single person, this was
[00:05:54] supposed to be a moral process, a moral
[00:05:57] condemnation of these, here the Russian God
[00:06:01] gave a snore, this is when Bukovsky,
[00:06:05] what, Vladimir Bukovsky, the dissident, was allowed for some time into
[00:06:08] the archives, that's when he pulled out some unique documents. sand
[00:06:12] and it was command-wise done so that nothing was left of it, and
[00:06:26] Yeltsin, the Russian God on earth, he
[00:06:29] turned away,
[00:06:31] and he became bored and unnecessary,
[00:06:34] given, well then
[00:06:36] he was a part and not a small
[00:06:40] part of the CPSU, an important part, Boris Nikolaevich. turned out to be one
[00:06:43] of the unscrupulous ones, despite having the fewest
[00:06:47] political enemies of all general secretaries, of all
[00:06:50] presidents, of all first persons of the state,
[00:06:53] fewer, fewer, fewer, what are you, that's why
[00:06:56] many remember him very well, and nevertheless, here's an example
[00:07:00] of unscrupulousness, everything was there, there was political
[00:07:04] power to condemn the CPSU, then
[00:07:07] the country would really have gone, but not on
[00:07:11] the opposite, perhaps, road. Well, on the side, and not on, I will
[00:07:14] object to myself, it would not have gone, they would have said, well,
[00:07:17] they invented some kind of court, anyway, at that
[00:07:21] moment, privatization there, the collapse of the economy, and so on,
[00:07:24] well, in 3-4 years they would have said: well, what a foolish thing they arranged here with
[00:07:28] this CPSU, and I didn't have a job under the CPSU,
[00:07:32] that's all they would have told you, they wouldn't have forgotten, they would have
[00:07:36] also said what foolish money they spent, to your objection, I will
[00:07:39] object, only the active part of society.
[00:07:43] leads the country and the state
[00:07:46] somewhere,
[00:07:48] who said that Lenin was completely wrong? Lenin,
[00:07:52] by the way, turned out to be a genius in organizing
[00:07:56] a coup, he succeeded, power was lying on
[00:07:59] the ground, no one wanted to defend the old
[00:08:02] governments, just as in February no one defended the tsar, so in October
[00:08:06] no one defended the provisional
[00:08:08] government, and Lenin raised and made his own...
[00:09:12] his his
[00:09:14] psychological makeup, I am not saying this to condemn, it is
[00:09:18] simply a certain certain segment
[00:09:22] of society, that's it, that's a large segment,
[00:09:26] a large one, by the way, from techies, from engineers
[00:09:29] come out amazing specialists, if they are not sharpened for
[00:09:33] evil, like KGB agents, Putin is a popular
[00:09:37] type, as I understand it, in this sense, that there are many such people, right, people,
[00:09:41] this is the secret. his long
[00:09:44] stay on the throne, besides the repressive apparatus,
[00:09:48] if, say, the apparatus was weaker, he would continue to sit, I think, yes, he
[00:09:52] greatly appeals to a certain type of people, he
[00:09:56] appeals to many
[00:10:00] representatives of the fairer sex, his suit fits him well, he is a
[00:10:03] sporty person, with an excellent figure, you can't argue with that,
[00:10:06] then he is tough and doesn't believe
[00:10:10] in rose-colored glasses, this is... very many
[00:10:14] servicemen, again technical
[00:10:16] intelligentsia, workers, this is also very
[00:10:19] important. Putin, of course, is most
[00:10:22] unacceptable for artistic...
[00:11:56] the war against Ukraine will
[00:11:59] continue either until he suffers defeat,
[00:12:03] or until he decides that he must
[00:12:06] stop it for his own reasons, exactly so, either
[00:12:10] defeat, or it will be Putin's decision, that is,
[00:12:14] turning a terrible situation to his advantage,
[00:12:17] to his PR, let's just say
[00:12:20] that, I think that the war
[00:12:23] with...
[00:12:55] the regime will indeed suffer defeat in this
[00:12:58] war, what will happen to the country,
[00:13:02] as a state, will it survive? Of course, there is
[00:13:05] one, there is one scenario, that is, when
[00:13:08] a general squabble begins, and no one lets anyone else near this pie, it
[00:13:12] will depend on how Putin
[00:13:15] deigns to leave the historical
[00:13:18] scene, if it is a bloody denouement, then it
[00:13:22] continues as a bloody denouement. If it is
[00:13:25] a deal, then that's another matter,
[00:13:29] but who wants to come to power after, if it is
[00:13:32] an appointed successor with
[00:13:34] a concreted defense, that's
[00:13:38] one thing, a new, new Putin, Putin 2,
[00:13:41] Putin 2.0 begins, yes, and you won't
[00:13:45] approach it again, but if everything is sudden, if
[00:13:48] the children of today's elites, of today's
[00:13:51] favorites start a struggle among themselves and...
[00:14:25] a good such person, well-read, read
[00:14:28] Kafka, will say, guys, let's live in peace, and
[00:14:31] what, step aside, old man, this is a serious
[00:14:34] game, young charismatic, but
[00:14:37] unarmed, against
[00:14:40] a Kalashnikov, an intellectual against a Kalashnikov
[00:14:43] at the first stage is improbable,
[00:14:47] the second may be, the second, if
[00:14:51] that seasoned one, who seized future
[00:14:54] power... will understand that without brains
[00:14:57] the country cannot be pulled out of this swamp,
[00:15:01] if, generally speaking, maybe,
[00:15:03] no, this person may not be related
[00:15:07] to ethical issues, this may be a good political
[00:15:11] chess player who will understand, you need to
[00:15:14] give Crimea back to Ukraine, you need
[00:15:17] to leave Donbas, you need to stop this, stop that,
[00:15:20] stop the hybrid war all over the world,
[00:15:24] because... only with foreign
[00:15:27] capital in cooperation with the free democratic
[00:15:31] world is there a normal way out of
[00:15:34] the deadlock, and since this is...
[00:16:40] from the bath, we throw the baby out with the bathwater, because we start nitpicking at the border about a toothbrush, about
[00:16:44] an old lottery ticket, I don't know, about what to go for, about a used
[00:16:47] car, which is all a bucket of bolts
[00:16:51] and nuts, yes, while rich people, it
[00:16:54] turns out, travel, and it turns out, those who
[00:16:57] are even declared undesirable by the Putin
[00:17:00] regime, we see him on beaches, in
[00:17:03] living rooms, in museums, in opera halls, where to follow?
[00:17:37] to foreigners, so that they come to them, because
[00:17:41] who is this, for example, what type of person,
[00:17:44] some famous media figure, he
[00:17:48] appears everywhere, he wants in Paris, he wants in
[00:17:52] Australia, he wants, in
[00:17:54] Warsaw and so on, well, what's the last name, you still said
[00:17:58] it, what's the last name, it's a type, it's a big deal,
[00:18:01] when representatives of
[00:18:04] Trump travel, we see that, so to speak, it's forgiven
[00:18:08] a priori, beforehand, everything is forgiven in advance, but
[00:18:11] very similar things happen with European governments,
[00:18:15] not with all and not to such an extent, but
[00:18:19] still, you understand, there is a loophole, and this water
[00:18:22] seeps through, this is terrible, because
[00:18:26] there is no principle, to forbid a conditional, say, Anna Netrebko,
[00:18:29] to close
[00:18:32] this pavilion in Venice at the Biennale and so on,
[00:18:36] all this is needed. Not to close culture,
[00:18:39] invite by your choice, close industry,
[00:18:43] trade, close deals, close
[00:18:47] the shadowy oil fleet and so on,
[00:18:50] these things, trade through third countries,
[00:18:53] trade of strategic,
[00:18:56] strategic dual-use items and so on, and
[00:19:00] control here, when a Western entrepreneur,
[00:19:03] an oligarch, the owner of a huge concern says: I don't know, I
[00:19:06] sold... something to Indochina somewhere, and what happens
[00:19:10] next, I don't care, this is a moment for a prosecutorial
[00:19:13] investigation, that's why Putin is waging war, he
[00:19:17] has the means to wage it, Russia
[00:19:19] is getting richer, well, it seems to me that
[00:19:23] it's not getting richer, it's surviving, its economy
[00:19:26] is cracking, but its finances are accumulating,
[00:19:29] many believe that
[00:19:32] Russian culture today is used by
[00:19:35] the Kremlin as some kind of... Trojan horse,
[00:19:39] Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov comes to conduct something, yes,
[00:19:42] everyone says: well, there's something there, right, so you need to be
[00:19:46] softer, therefore, this kind of
[00:19:49] works for Putin, you disagree, I don't agree, you need to be
[00:19:53] not softer, but tougher, but
[00:19:56] invite, you need to invite Gergiev and arrange
[00:19:59] an absolute monstrous
[00:20:03] obstruction for him, but Gergiev... excellent,
[00:20:06] talented conductor.
[00:20:08] Gergiev should not be forbidden, he should be morally
[00:20:12] humiliated, tell him what you think of him, how he
[00:20:16] will wave his baton after that,
[00:20:19] talented, he will, of course, but he will have
[00:20:22] cats scratching at his soul, that is democracy,
[00:20:25] not to forbid anything
[00:20:28] that is permitted, culture should not be subjected to any
[00:20:32] prohibition, even if it is from...
[00:20:35] propagandist,
[00:20:50] on this opinion of society, well,
[00:20:52] society is worth something, it weighs or it's passive
[00:20:56] bunnies, no, no, just send us clean ones, but where
[00:20:59] is the struggle? Culture is a natural struggle,
[00:21:02] intellectual, beautiful, powerful,
[00:21:05] symbols are born here, new ideas are born here,
[00:21:09] here the soul
[00:21:11] of modernity is born,
[00:21:15] fight, tell him what, arrange
[00:21:17] obstruction,
[00:21:20] you need to throw tomatoes, you need to arrange a moral
[00:21:23] obstruction, not to come to a single concert,
[00:21:26] please, La Scala, come out on stage and
[00:21:30] not a single person in the hall, it won't be like that, it won't be,
[00:21:33] therefore I am a soothsayer, but why not throw tomatoes, well,
[00:21:37] because you might hit a person in the eye and poke
[00:21:40] out his eye, he will open his mouth to take the high note, at
[00:21:43] that moment you stuff a cucumber into his stomach
[00:21:47] and he dies in front of your eyes. Scatter and
[00:21:50] Ivan, as for
[00:21:54] some, well, moral duty, if you will,
[00:21:57] of Russia towards Ukraine and the Russian people, this
[00:22:01] discussion about what is guilt and what is
[00:22:05] responsibility? Here it is possible that something
[00:22:08] like repentance, yes, but repentance on the
[00:22:11] part of the active part, on the part of
[00:22:14] the passionate, on the part of the intelligentsia, and those
[00:22:18] who will be... on the bench, those who go fishing
[00:22:21] instead of crossing themselves, repenting and falling to
[00:22:25] their knees, they will always be - in the backwater,
[00:22:29] they will always be on the sidelines and not participate in anything, well, the active
[00:22:32] part, of course, can, should
[00:22:35] repent, and is repenting already today, and, unfortunately,
[00:22:38] those who do not want to notice today's
[00:22:42] voluntary, conscientious repentance, these people do not
[00:22:46] meet my understanding, because there are many noble
[00:22:49] people, of course, they are measured in pieces and tens, hundreds,
[00:22:53] thousands, not millions, one would like millions, but
[00:22:56] these people exist, they never die, well,
[00:23:00] Dmitry Glukhovsky, the writer, in
[00:23:03] a conversation with our program, he said: "You know, even
[00:23:07] if somehow all this ends, maybe even Crimea
[00:23:10] will be given back, and reparations will be paid, and then
[00:23:13] still, he said,
[00:23:16] there will be a Weimar Russia, which will be even cooler."
[00:23:50] Russia has a striped destiny,
[00:23:53] we very much, I, my family, my friends, my
[00:23:56] like-minded people, very, very much hope to fall into
[00:24:00] Russia in a bright stripe and
[00:24:03] escape before the onset of a dark stripe, I
[00:24:06] escaped when the stripe was bright, that is, under Gorbachev,
[00:24:10] in eighty-eighth year I managed to escape, I spent all the nineties,
[00:24:14] when it seemed to be bright or a bit gray,
[00:24:17] a little foggy, but a bright stripe it was. Nevertheless, yes,
[00:24:21] there was a Chechen war, both even, and nevertheless
[00:24:24] still, it was relatively, we know what to
[00:24:27] compare it to, a bright stripe, I always said, no
[00:24:30] bright future, permanent, no,
[00:24:34] democratic happiness for Russia, no, it is written in
[00:24:37] its destiny, precisely because society is sleepy,
[00:24:41] unscrupulous society, my people
[00:24:43] are unscrupulous, but it has different
[00:24:47] strata, it has that part, to which... I
[00:24:50] internally pray, I hope
[00:24:53] to belong to it, but alas, I am sure that
[00:24:57] this heavy bear will overcome again,
[00:25:01] they very correctly took the bear as a symbol of their party,
[00:25:04] this is the Russian, well, this, unfortunately,
[00:25:08] is nature, such a half-asleep bear, sleeping for
[00:25:12] half a year, and then God forbid you
[00:25:15] wake it up, taking your scalp
[00:25:19] and... covering you with leaves,
[00:25:22] you know why the bear, yes, it first bites off your top,
[00:25:25] then you die, it buries you so that you
[00:25:29] rot, you will be tastier, and it leaves, and
[00:25:32] then after some time, after half a day or after 2 days, it comes,
[00:25:36] sniffs, ah, it started to stink, it can be
[00:25:39] eaten, that's how the bear acts, it doesn't eat you right away,
[00:25:43] and many without a scalp ran away,
[00:25:46] there were such cases, yes,
[00:26:02] This is a short period, I really hope for it, then darkness, then a short one, then
[00:26:06] darkness, Russia has a striped destiny,
[00:26:09] God grant that we fall between two
[00:26:12] stakes of this terrible
[00:26:15] tragic fence. Ivan, thank you very much, thank you.
[00:26:35] Who is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, you or
[00:26:37] Yeltsin? I would say
[00:26:41] this:
[00:26:49] just imagine what Gorbachev went through,
[00:26:52] what I went through,
[00:26:59] there in those materials, well, so much.
[00:27:03] horror,
[00:27:10] I turned around, took this teapot and drank it all
[00:27:13] at once,
[00:27:19] that's how it is, real dinosaurs, I
[00:27:23] said,
[00:27:29] winds blow from the steppe. such
[00:27:33] intoxicating smells
[00:27:35] just,
[00:27:42] I started to forget, I knew a lot
[00:27:46] of poems,
[00:27:46] yes, and immense
[00:27:53] efforts and skill, that's all, it's not
[00:27:56] that simple, and you have to again, as they say,
[00:27:59] harness these guys' horses. People should know what
[00:28:04] is happening in the country,
[00:28:08] stubborn big heads, he said,
[00:28:11] and what
[00:28:14] about
[00:28:18] water, time
[00:28:21] shows that at the end of strength, I
[00:28:25] said what I
[00:28:26] said,
[00:28:29] that's good.
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