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[00:01:27] Hello, and a warm welcome to all of you to our
[00:01:30] special program "Panch Ki Panchayat." I am Nikhil
[00:01:33] Singh, and today we will talk about the politics of Uttar Pradesh
[00:01:37] in "Panch Ki Panchayat," where once again, the season of caste equations
[00:01:41] has returned because the elections are upon us.
[00:01:44] The 2027 elections in Uttar Pradesh. But this
[00:01:47] time, the biggest question is from the Samajwadi Party,
[00:01:51] the same Samajwadi Party whose politics for years
[00:01:55] and suppressed it. We have a saying in our village, revolved around the Yadav-Muslim, i.e., MY equation.
[00:01:58] Why is the Samajwadi Party suddenly trying to woo Brahmins
[00:02:02] today? The 2027
[00:02:05] elections are now approaching,
[00:02:08] and the riots increase to such an extent but the new strategy of the SP has raised many questions.
[00:02:10] Appointing a Brahmin face as the Leader of the Opposition in the assembly,
[00:02:14] showing activism in the programs of Parshuram Jayanti,
[00:02:18] the Brahmin conference that just happened yesterday. What is the message
[00:02:21] of this change?
[00:02:24] Party is for all sections of society, Is this a new politics of social harmony
[00:02:27] or is it the compulsion of electoral calculations?
[00:02:30] Has the Samajwadi Party now realized that it is not easy to reach power
[00:02:34] relying only on the old vote bank, and that is why
[00:02:38] when we had two seats, the Brahmin card is being played
[00:02:40] we were still with Ram. now? So the biggest question is also this: the party that has been accused for a long time
[00:02:44] of playing politics
[00:02:47] We proudly say with the vote bank of a particular caste and a particular class,
[00:02:52] If I support the river, the ocean gets upset. that society goes towards decline. is that same party now trying to distance itself from its old politics or is it trying to connect
[00:02:56] with a new society? If the Brahmin community
[00:03:00] was so important, then why wasn't
[00:03:04] this respect shown earlier? Why did the Brahmin conferences
[00:03:09] community that they are using and love for upper castes suddenly come to mind as elections approached?
[00:03:12] The BJP is also raising this question. It says that this change
[00:03:16] is not a matter of principle but a result of the restlessness for power.
[00:03:20] The BJP alleges that the history of the Samajwadi Party has been one of appeasement,
[00:03:23] dynasticism, and vote-bank politics, and now that
[00:03:27] the old equations are seen to be weakening,
[00:03:31] attempts are being made to woo the Brahmin community. So today's
[00:03:35] biggest question is whether the SP's Brahmin card is necessary
[00:03:39] or a compulsion? Is this an honest attempt
[00:03:42] at social expansion or electoral
[00:03:45] To fight on the symbol opportunism? Will the Brahmin stay with us because we are stopping for a short community trust this new political
[00:03:49] campaign? Because the Brahmin community is considered very intelligent. Their political
[00:03:52] understanding is also considered very sharp and very good. So
[00:03:56] the politics of irreligion? will the Brahmin community trust this or will it consider it
[00:04:00] just an electoral strategy? And on these questions,
[00:04:04] there will be the biggest debate today, in "Panch Ki Panchayat." We will include
[00:04:08] our special guests in the discussion, but before that,
[00:04:12] watch this report on the political rhetoric
[00:04:24] on this whole issue. I say this time, PDA will defeat
[00:04:28] NDA.
[00:04:30] And minorities will work to defeat the Bharatiya Janata Party this time.
[00:04:34] In PDA, 'P' stands
[00:04:37] for Pandit.
[00:04:38] है
[00:04:43] Those people who define PDA differently at times,
[00:04:47] हैं
[00:04:51] should know that in PDA,
[00:04:55] 'P' stands for Pandit.
[00:04:58] शॉर्ट फॉर्म है.
[00:05:01] And the more pain you cause, the more stronger
[00:05:05] 'P' will appear.
[00:05:05] देगा.
[00:05:42] is being done by the party and Congress together, due to whose wrong policies
[00:05:46] and corrupt practices, due to hooliganism, no one wanted
[00:05:49] to invest in Uttar Pradesh. And those people who
[00:05:53] robbed the rights of the youth of Uttar Pradesh,
[00:05:56] deprived the youth of Uttar Pradesh
[00:06:00] of their jobs,
[00:06:04] that Samajwadi
[00:06:06] Party
[00:06:09] is once again trying to spoil the perception of the state.
[00:06:13] की कुछ चेष्टा कर रही
[00:06:15] This has always been the case.
[00:06:17] Are the Brahmins not victims? Are the Kshatriyas
[00:06:20] not victims? So all the victims
[00:06:24] are associated with this terminology and will continue to be associated.
[00:06:28] So that's the point, when it comes to joining, then
[00:06:32] these people get flustered.
[00:06:35] The Samajwadi Party has nothing to do with all sections of society. They play the politics of Muslim appeasement
[00:06:39] and only play politics by creating a vote bank.
[00:07:12] Theft and brazenness. It's like a cat eating a hundred mice
[00:07:16] and going on a pilgrimage.
[00:07:19] The constant changing of the meaning of PDA
[00:07:23] clearly indicates that these people are opportunists.
[00:07:26] They are the Samajwadi Party. They should rename themselves the Opportunist Party.
[00:07:30] चाहिए,
[00:07:32] Their intentions and those who believe in the constitution are not together. The government
[00:07:36] wants development work. The public has elected them
[00:07:40] to the assembly for discussion. These people are doing drama.
[00:07:42] रहे
[00:07:51] So you saw the kind of statements made by the leaders. One
[00:07:54] side says that the victim is the full form
[00:07:58] of PDA. They say that the one who is oppressed is backward, and is also a Brahmin.
[00:08:02] But the other side, that is,
[00:08:05] the opposition parties, in this particular context, if I may say so,
[00:08:09] the BJP and its allies are saying that the issue
[00:08:13] is not about the backward and the Brahmin.
[00:08:16] It is about political opportunism. So to discuss this entire issue,
[00:08:20] we have a panel of special guests with us.
[00:08:24] Let's bring them into the discussion and try to understand whether
[00:08:28] this is political opportunism or social harmony
[00:08:31] that the Samajwadi Party wants to connect, and to what extent
[00:08:35] is it correct? What is everyone's stance? Dr. Kaushalkant Mishra,
[00:08:38] BJP spokesperson, is with us. Welcome, sir. We also have Dharmendra Singh,
[00:08:42] who is the spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party. Dharmendra ji, welcome. Rohit
[00:08:45] Agarwal, spokesperson of the Rashtriya Lok Dal, is also with us.
[00:08:48] Rohit ji, welcome. Ram Kripal Singh, senior
[00:08:52] journalist, is with us. Ram Kripal sir, a warm welcome to you as well. And Ram Kripal ji, I would
[00:08:56] like to start with you. I would like you to give the opening statement
[00:09:00] or, shall we say, guide this discussion. Especially since
[00:09:04] you have seen that the Samajwadi Party has changed its policy.
[00:09:07] You see them moving towards soft Hindutva, whether it is about the Ram Mandir
[00:09:11] or now you have seen them playing the Brahmin card,
[00:09:15] talking about connecting with Brahmin conferences. How do you view
[00:09:18] this changing politics? How do you assess it?
[00:09:22] From what perspective do you see
[00:09:24] this? Look, you showed a lot
[00:09:28] and played people's
[00:09:30] current and past statements. So when
[00:09:33] PDA was formed, its
[00:09:37] meaning was backward, Dalit, and minority. That's
[00:09:40] what they say. Now, it's like
[00:09:44] "as the weather, so the coat." In politics, it is also
[00:09:48] seen what opportunities there are, and how they are.
[00:09:51] So calling someone an opportunist in politics doesn't mean
[00:09:55] anything. They have to be opportunists.
[00:09:58] And there's a couplet in Manas:
[00:10:01] "Jay bhi hoye Nath mora karo subeg
[00:10:04] das mein tora." So in whatever way,
[00:10:08] if it seems that something can be achieved,
[00:10:11] now look, 'P' for backward, 'P'
[00:10:15] for victim, 'P' for Pandit, and it is possible
[00:10:19] that like alliteration, something else will emerge.
[00:10:22] 'P' for... So right now, it's just
[00:10:55] a series of events, and the way people are trying to take advantage
[00:10:58] of it. It's possible that in two to four months,
[00:11:02] everything will change. It's possible that during the monsoon session
[00:11:05] that is currently underway, some events will happen
[00:11:09] that will change all the equations
[00:11:11] again starting tomorrow. My
[00:11:15] point is that when something happens,
[00:11:19] those things keep happening.
[00:11:21] है
[00:11:24] And there's no need to think too much about
[00:11:27] what it is. All parties will
[00:11:31] do their part. It's pure politics, and it's a misconception
[00:11:34] that as you were asking,
[00:11:38] "Maharaj, you are Mishra, so do journalism, why
[00:11:41] bother?" The public is very aware.
[00:11:44] The public understands everything, sees who is
[00:11:48] where. Making a decision is still a long way off,
[00:11:51] but Akhilesh ji is trying
[00:11:55] that in eight years, almost
[00:11:58] nine years have passed.
[00:12:02] For nine years, there has been this restlessness
[00:12:05] to bring the party back
[00:12:08] on track. But
[00:12:11] the recent events, although I am not talking about cockroaches
[00:12:15] right now, but the way
[00:12:18] the
[00:12:21] assembly elections have taken place, whether it's Maharashtra, and after
[00:12:25] that the surprising results
[00:12:27] in Odisha, Bihar,
[00:12:31] Bengal, whatever
[00:12:34] this is, it has become clear
[00:12:38] that, look, I am broadly saying that those who
[00:12:42] used to think that by gathering
[00:12:45] minorities, they would achieve a lot, those things
[00:12:48] are slowly coming to an end. So these
[00:12:52] things are
[00:12:56] that you can't
[00:12:59] एक
[00:13:01] It has been proven from Karnataka itself that elections cannot be won
[00:13:04] solely on the strength of minorities. Yes,
[00:13:08] in Karnataka, ever since minorities left
[00:13:11] Deve Gowda, and the way things are,
[00:13:15] now in Uttar Pradesh's politics,
[00:13:18] their traditional vote bank,
[00:13:22] Congress is also after it. Its
[00:13:25] leader, the word 'neta,' 'ne' means leadership, and 'ta'
[00:13:29] means strength. So he is looking for his strength
[00:13:33] across the country, that his leader's strength
[00:13:36] has disappeared. So he is looking, and so are other parties.
[00:13:40] That's right. So
[00:13:44] in this restlessness, many words will change, many meanings
[00:13:47] will change. Many things will happen. Yes, yes, yes.
[00:13:51] You said it right, "as the opportunity, as the weather, so the coat,"
[00:13:55] and this should not be taken opportunistically. Of course,
[00:13:59] from a democratic perspective, it is Akhilesh Yadav's,
[00:14:02] the Samajwadi Party's, absolute right to reach out to any community.
[00:14:06] But you also said one more thing, that from Assam
[00:14:10] to West Bengal, from Odisha to Maharashtra,
[00:14:13] the veto of the Muslim vote bank seems to have broken somewhere,
[00:14:17] and perhaps that is why these equations are seen changing.
[00:14:21] This is what political analysts believe. Many people
[00:14:24] probably believe this, and perhaps this is why when
[00:14:28] I ask Dharmendra Singh the next question, what
[00:14:31] necessitated that the one who was backward before
[00:14:35] is now a Brahmin? Before, we showed you the clip
[00:14:39] that your leader Mishra
[00:14:42] ji, the entire clip you heard, how
[00:14:46] he addressed them, how he used to disrespect them, and now
[00:14:49] they are ready to put them on their eyelids. So is this necessary or a compulsion
[00:14:53] given these elections?
[00:14:57] Yes, Nikhil ji, namaskar. Our fellow panelists, and especially when
[00:15:01] we were at Allahabad University, Ram Kripal ji was very famous in the
[00:15:05] 90s. And to your viewers, my namaskar. Your question is very genuine.
[00:15:09] Look, the question you are raising first about our leader,
[00:15:12] respected Akhilesh Yadav ji. In 2022,
[00:15:16] Parshuram ji's conference was held, Parshuram's axe was installed,
[00:15:20] and many programs were held, and at that time too, a similar
[00:15:23] discussion was going on.
[00:15:25] The Samajwadi Party has always, it's a different matter that people of the Bharatiya Janata Party
[00:15:29] sometimes make it MY, sometimes something else. But it has always
[00:15:32] taken all sections of society along. And in that era, you see earlier
[00:15:36] when Rajnath Singh ji was the national president of the Bharatiya Janata Party,
[00:15:40] a large number of Brahmin and Thakur votes went
[00:15:43] to the Samajwadi Party. At one time, a large number of
[00:15:46] MPs also won for us in 2000.
[00:15:49] थे,
[00:15:52] I am coming to the important point, about PDA. Our leader
[00:15:55] has said many times before that
[00:15:59] PDA means backward, Dalit, minority,
[00:16:02] half of the population, and also the marginalized people who have been left
[00:16:06] out of the mainstream, the exploited people, the deprived people, the forward castes,
[00:16:10] all are with us. No political party can
[00:16:14] abandon any caste, any religion, treating them as untouchables
[00:16:17] and do politics. The Bharatiya Janata Party, it's a different
[00:16:21] matter, plays politics on religious grounds, and the Samajwadi Party
[00:16:24] has never treated anyone as untouchable
[00:16:28] in politics. In politics, speeches and language can change
[00:16:31] from time to time. Politics is about moving forward with time, or even in society,
[00:16:35] some things are left behind, some things are added. But to say that
[00:16:39] earlier such equations used to work,
[00:16:42] now with these equations... The schemes of the Samajwadi Party,
[00:16:45] whether they distributed laptops to all sections of society, or
[00:16:50] was for all sections, or if they built the metro
[00:16:54] in a very short time, not only did they show it running, when no one could think of
[00:16:58] an expressway, Jaguars also landed on it. Everyone travels on the Agra
[00:17:01] expressway. There has been no such scheme, be it the Lohia Awas Yojana
[00:17:05] or the Janeshwar Misra Gram Vikas Yojana, all were for all sections of society.
[00:17:09] The special incident you were showing,
[00:17:12] of the Honorable National President, he asked, look, the questions
[00:17:15] you should be asking the government, the questions you should be asking the Chief Minister,
[00:17:19] what will be the answer if you ask someone else?
[00:17:23] He didn't ask what caste you are. He asked for the name. Now he said
[00:17:26] Mishra, so he said, "Mishra ji, he didn't ask if you are
[00:17:30] backward." If you want, I can replay that point.
[00:17:34] He said, "No, then tell me your name," and then he said Mishra.
[00:17:38] No, Nikhil ji, what the Chief Minister said to a reputed
[00:17:41] channel, it's not even appropriate to say it here, in my opinion,
[00:17:45] it would be against the model code of conduct if I were to say that word.
[00:17:49] What did the Chief Minister say about it? So these are different things.
[00:17:52] Many times, such things come up, what do they not say to people?
[00:17:56] So it would apply equally to them, but it is true that the politics of the Samajwadi
[00:18:02] and Brahmins, especially when society is misguided,
[00:18:06] goes in the wrong direction, when needed, they have always
[00:18:09] shown the right path. It is the name of sacrifice, the name of dedication,
[00:18:13] and they have contributed to building society. So, respect for Brahmins,
[00:18:17] in a society where Brahmins are not respected, it is also said in the Vedas and
[00:18:21] by Lord Krishna in the Gita that they should receive the highest respect. Where
[00:18:24] they are not respected,
[00:18:27] So they have always been respected in the Samajwadi Party,
[00:18:31] and from time to time, you can see in the past, our leaders have met
[00:18:35] many saints and seers, and have
[00:18:38] stood by them in their troubles and problems. In Ayodhya,
[00:18:42] many saints expressed their displeasure. The Brahmin community vowed
[00:18:46] to oust the Indian government because
[00:18:49] of how they were being forced
[00:18:52] regarding their compensation, their properties. And that same society saw
[00:18:56] how, in the name of God, they committed such a big deception
[00:19:00] by stealing donations. So all sections of society are upset with the BJP,
[00:19:03] and there is no need to view it in any other context. Okay.
[00:19:07] Kaushalkant Mishra will answer this, that the BJP plays politics of religion
[00:19:11] and that the Samajwadi Party has always
[00:19:15] been a benefactor of Brahmins. "Abhay hoye jo tumhe darai"
[00:19:18] this concept has now become that of the Samajwadi Party.
[00:19:22] I would like your comments, your answer.
[00:19:25] Nikhil ji, if the BJP plays politics of religion, what's wrong with that?
[00:19:29] Everyone should play politics of religion. Who plays
[00:19:34] To follow dharma is what the Supreme Court says. It's the motto of our secret
[00:19:38] agency. One should follow dharma,
[00:19:41] one should protect dharma. So
[00:19:44] where is it wrong to follow dharma? Now let's talk about
[00:19:47] the Samajwadi Party. You have to understand.
[00:19:51] When the country became independent, Uttar Pradesh had a Congress government, and
[00:19:55] their vote bank was Dalits, Brahmins, and
[00:19:58] Muslims. Ramkripal ji will agree,
[00:20:01] yes. And after
[00:20:04] that, caste-based politics
[00:20:07] declined, and there
[00:20:11] different caste-based leaders emerged. Dalit leaders emerged,
[00:20:14] Akhilesh Yadav ji, Samajwadi Party emerged,
[00:20:18] and when they got the chance, talking about Akhilesh ji,
[00:20:22] when he first got the chance, as long as his vote bank
[00:20:26] worked, first look, first you have to understand that earlier
[00:20:29] people used to be in power by getting 20-25% votes.
[00:20:32] Today, the Bharatiya Janata Party has changed the norm.
[00:20:36] If you are not close to 50%,
[00:20:39] you will not be able to remain in power. So this change has been brought
[00:20:43] in democracy by playing politics of religion. Secondly, now when
[00:20:47] you look at Akhilesh Yadav ji's first term or Mulayam Singh ji's term,
[00:20:51] what used to happen? Only the politics of the MY
[00:20:54] factor used to run. The MY factor, Muslim plus
[00:20:57] some selected castes of the backward class, they used to do politics.
[00:21:01] Their government started to fall. They felt something was wrong,
[00:21:04] and then what did they do?
[00:21:08] They tried to add Dalits. When? When their slogan
[00:21:11] became, what was the slogan? Their slogan was
[00:21:15] "Mile Mulayam Kanshiram, Hawa mein ud gaye Jai Shri Ram." Was this not Akhilesh
[00:21:19] Yadav's slogan? It was the Samajwadi Party's slogan, when both of them met. Then
[00:21:23] even after that, when it didn't work, what
[00:21:26] did they do? They then made it
[00:21:30] PDA, such a confusing PDA. Akhilesh
[00:21:33] Yadav himself gets confused about who is P, who is D, who is A. But in that,
[00:21:37] three things are fixed. P means
[00:21:39] dynastic, D means rioter, and A
[00:21:43] means minority. This has remained fixed, and there has been no change.
[00:21:47] You see this,
[00:21:51] these people who are talking about Brahmins, their own spokesperson
[00:21:54] compared Brahmins to prostitutes just a few months ago.
[00:21:58] He went around apologizing everywhere. This
[00:22:01] is the same Samajwadi Party who, okay,
[00:22:05] they also lathi-charged Shankaracharya. They did it, didn't they?
[00:22:09] I'm not talking about what happened today, I'm talking about history. The truth is this,
[00:22:12] if you did it, it will not be asked. They
[00:22:16] did it. One minute, Dharmendra ji,
[00:22:50] they have been doing it. Whenever the Samajwadi Party government comes
[00:22:53] to power, crime, riots all increase in the state,
[00:22:58] that when there are riots, after that, they only
[00:23:01] give compensation to minorities, for which they are reprimanded by the Supreme Court.
[00:23:05] So it's nothing. This is an electoral chameleon.
[00:23:08] As and when
[00:23:11] needed, they will change their color according to the vote bank.
[00:23:14] The color of the Bharatiya Janata Party is fixed.
[00:23:17] Saffron, we follow dharma, and we will continue to follow dharma.
[00:23:20] We don't change according to votes. When no one was going
[00:23:24] to take the name of Ram,
[00:23:30] Today also we will remain with Ram. Even if we don't get a single seat,
[00:23:34] we will remain with Ram.
[00:23:37] that we are with Ram, and we do politics of religion. There is nothing wrong with that.
[00:23:41] We cannot do irreligious politics, we cannot do immoral politics,
[00:23:44] we cannot do caste politics. Okay, Dharmendra ji, we'll come back to you,
[00:23:48] before that.
[00:24:20] Nowhere else. In West Uttar Pradesh, there is only one party,
[00:24:23] and that is the Rashtriya Lok Dal. The public has full faith
[00:24:27] in the leadership of Honorable Jayant Chaudhary ji, and in West Uttar Pradesh,
[00:24:31] the public recognizes only one symbol, and that is the hand pump.
[00:24:35] of the hand pump, all the
[00:24:39] MLAs of West Uttar Pradesh, if you ask them whether they will fight on the hand pump symbol
[00:24:43] or any other symbol, their answer will be the same, that they will fight on the hand pump symbol.
[00:24:47] So if you talk specifically about West Uttar Pradesh, then
[00:24:51] neither the politics of religion nor the politics of caste
[00:24:54] works there. Only and only the politics of development
[00:24:57] works there. The model there
[00:25:01] is repeated somewhere across the country. As for the fact
[00:25:05] that we are calling the Samajwadi Party casteist today,
[00:25:08] who took this tag? Who talked about PDA?
[00:25:12] You talked about PDA, we didn't. But when you talked about PDA
[00:25:15] and you kept changing its definition
[00:25:18] day by day, and I think the Samajwadi Party
[00:25:22] people must have given more than 100 definitions of PDA.
[00:25:26] So when you talked about PDA, and after that you made Mata Prasad Pandey
[00:25:30] the leader of the opposition, then
[00:25:33] on the debate, I told the Samajwadi Party that 'P'
[00:25:37] for them is Pandey ji. Then they used to get very angry
[00:25:40] and oppose it. It is still in the archives,
[00:25:44] those debates, when I used to say 'P' for Pandey ji, then they used to oppose it.
[00:25:47] Meaning, it is true that today you have cheated
[00:25:51] the backward and the Dalit, and you have already cheated
[00:25:54] the forward. The entire country knows
[00:25:58] that you only consider minorities as a vote bank. You have never
[00:26:02] understood them beyond that because you have never given them anything. Look, the
[00:26:05] truth is that their PDA is
[00:26:08] 'Personal Development of Eraj Gair.' The rest of it is just spreading
[00:26:12] illusions. They are trying to mislead the public.
[00:26:16] They feel that, well, when needed, become a Brahmin, when needed,
[00:26:20] become a backward, when needed, become a Dalit, when needed,
[00:26:24] become something else with 'D'. So this is extremely unfortunate
[00:26:27] and extremely sad that they consider the people of our country
[00:26:31] to be fools. They think that the country will not understand. Now I will tell
[00:26:35] you their reality, Nikhil ji, please give me 10 seconds. They
[00:26:39] were celebrating Janeshwar Mishra ji's birth anniversary, and
[00:26:43] in the name of Janeshwar Mishra ji, they built a very grand park in Lucknow.
[00:26:46] Ask the spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party, this park they built,
[00:26:50] they didn't actually build it, they just renovated it.
[00:26:54] Along with renovating, what was the name of that park
[00:26:58] which they changed to Janeshwar Mishra Park? The name of that park was Dr.
[00:27:02] Bhimrao Ambedkar Park.
[00:27:21] Then you needed Brahmins, but as soon as the need for Brahmins was over,
[00:27:24] they immediately did what? They started exploiting
[00:27:28] Dalits. Now look at the situation.
[00:27:32] The name of Bhadohi has been kept as Sant Ravi Ravidas Nagar.
[00:27:35] The NDA government has kept it. So ask them
[00:27:39] why the name of Bhadohi was Sant Ravidas Nagar since 1997,
[00:27:43] and you changed that name to Bhadohi.
[00:27:47] So where does this anti-Dalit mentality come from?
[00:27:50] I told you, look, the situations are clear. In every way, you will sometimes
[00:27:54] try to catch the backward, sometimes you will try to catch the Dalit, sometimes
[00:27:58] you will do politics in the name of religion, calling them minorities, and sometimes
[00:28:02] you will do politics in the name of castes. But the public understands everything,
[00:28:05] that you belong to no one, neither the forward, nor
[00:28:09] the Brahmin, nor the backward, nor
[00:28:12] the Dalit, nor the minority, because you only belong
[00:28:15] to one family, that is Akhilesh Yadav ji's family,
[00:28:19] because when it came to giving tickets to five MPs,
[00:28:22] those five were Yadavs, and
[00:28:26] those five Yadavs were only and only from Akhilesh Yadav ji's family,
[00:28:29] they were not from any other family. Five Yadavs. Those five
[00:28:33] Yadavs who were given tickets in 2024 were from Akhilesh Yadav
[00:28:37] ji's family. Besides them, there was no other Yadav.
[00:28:40] You don't even belong to Yadavs, the truth. Okay, okay,
[00:28:44] okay, let's get the answer from Dharmendra ji. Dharmendra
[00:28:47] ji, a line is coming to my mind that to gain a little.
[00:28:51] In the pursuit of something, a lot is lost.
[00:28:55] I am saying this because you
[00:28:58] want to get a backward Brahmin. In the desire to get backward people, isn't it true
[00:29:32] that nothing else works? That's what they are saying. They got one seat in 2017.
[00:29:36] थे,
[00:29:41] One minute, one minute. Don't take the wrong perspective, sir.
[00:29:45] He said this, he said this. I am even noting down some points for you.
[00:29:49] He said that the West is only about
[00:29:51] development.
[00:29:57] Hey, listen, everyone else, be quiet. Don't speak, everyone else. We are talking to
[00:30:01] Dharmendra Ji, Dharam Ji. No, no, Rohit Ji, Rohit Ji, be quiet for a minute.
[00:30:04] Rohit Ji, be quiet for a minute. Rohit Ji, be quiet for a minute. Dharmendra Ji, Dharmendra Ji, listen to
[00:30:08] me. Hey, Dharmendra Ji, listen to me. I am saying
[00:30:12] that I am just putting you in the right
[00:30:13] perspective.
[00:30:18] Such personal... Hey, such a good discussion is happening. You guys
[00:30:21] are
[00:30:22] getting personal.
[00:30:26] No, no, don't get personal, don't get personal, Dharmendra
[00:30:30] Ji and Dharmendra Ji.
[00:30:41] Both of you be quiet. Both of you be quiet. Dharmendra Ji, I just said don't
[00:30:45] speak about each other and don't get personal. Such a good discussion is happening. Everyone is
[00:30:49] speaking in their turn. Now don't speak about each other. Look, the audience
[00:30:53] is also watching. Our Doordarshan audience is very enlightened. So don't
[00:30:56] spoil your own image. If anyone says anything bad
[00:31:00] to anyone, then understand this.
[00:31:02] I am saying that Dharmendra Ji, you said that Rohit Ji said that in Western
[00:31:06] Uttar Pradesh, caste politics happens. Actually, I was interrupting you in between. I am not
[00:31:10] interrupting you, but I was saying that he did not say that in Western Uttar Pradesh,
[00:31:14] only caste politics happens. He said that in Western Uttar Pradesh, only development
[00:31:18] politics happens. So if you have misunderstood that, then correct yourself. Now give
[00:31:21] your answer again. And brother, everyone should speak in their turn. Dharmendra Ji is speaking, no one else
[00:31:25] will speak in between. Dharmendra Ji, it's your turn. Nikhil Ji, Nikhil Ji, when he was speaking
[00:31:29] all this, he said, you can listen to it completely, that there is no religion
[00:31:33] politics there, neither this nor that. There is only talk of caste. Anyway, whatever
[00:31:36] he says, let him know, but these people are showing us the mirror.
[00:31:40] In 2017, their one MLA won. In Lok Sabha,
[00:31:44] they reached zero. Honorable Akhilesh Yadav Ji sent them to Rajya Sabha.
[00:31:48] To their leader, for whom they are so attached. And linguistic restraint, sit down. You
[00:31:52] want to divorce and you are showing your status as baseless, tell them,
[00:31:56] any panelist, talk about their party. If you talk like this, you will have to answer.
[00:31:59] And if you answer, we won't feel good either, and you won't feel good either, that sitting
[00:32:03] on a national channel, someone Rohit Ji, I have muted your voice,
[00:32:07] that's why and I have muted everyone else's voice.
[00:32:10] Only Dharmendra Singh Ji's voice is going through, so others
[00:32:14] should not try to speak.
[00:32:45] Let's go, brother. They don't believe in the constitution. Their leader had said earlier that they want more than
[00:32:49] 400 seats, so they want to change the constitution. And the people who used to talk about religion
[00:32:52] stole donations. They stole donations. They not only stole from the construction
[00:32:56] of crores of Sanatanis, they stole from the buying and selling of land,
[00:32:59] they continuously stole from the donations coming in, and after that, the people
[00:33:03] who say they will make things clear, they neither made it clear nor
[00:33:07] did they clarify it. They wrapped it up
[00:33:10] they wrapped it up and finished it. This is the character of the Bharatiya
[00:33:14] Janata Party. They were saying about Dalits. They are talking about Dalits,
[00:33:18] who are against Dalit reservation. Honorable Mohan Bhagwat Ji
[00:33:22] said that the time has come for a review. Those who were historically backward
[00:33:26] were not dependent on anyone's mercy. Who was talking about their reservation?
[00:33:29] Who wants to abolish reservation? They are giving us knowledge that they are against Dalits.
[00:33:33] Oh, the talk of Brahmins, the talk of Janeshwar Mishra Ji, is not happening for the first time today.
[00:33:37] He was our supreme leader. We used to call him Chhote Lohia and
[00:33:41] we celebrate it grandly every year. We celebrate Janeshwar Mishra Ji's birth anniversary. The Bharatiya Janata Party does not
[00:33:45] celebrate it. And after that, Janeshwar Mishra Park, such a grand construction
[00:33:48] was done. Our socialist symbol JP Anasi, which they have closed.
[00:33:52] So we are continuously on that track. As far as Brahmins are concerned,
[00:33:55] on which you commented. As far as the definition of PDA is concerned,
[00:33:59] Brahmins have always been revered by us, always respected,
[00:34:02] always guided us, and we hope they will continue to do so.
[00:34:06] You saw it in 2022 too. Okay, we lost the election. We remained
[00:34:10] the main opposition party. The seats increased. After 2017, in all the subsequent elections,
[00:34:14] the seats increased. And in 2024, they got their answer.
[00:34:17] The great people of Uttar Pradesh saw where they were sent,
[00:34:20] and in the coming time too, they will move forward
[00:34:24] with all sections of society. Just to say this, now in PDA, P also means Pandit, P also
[00:34:27] means backward. So what is the objection to anyone? P, D
[00:34:31] also means Dalit, A also means minority, L also means tribal,
[00:34:35] A also means half the population. So what is the problem with anyone?
[00:34:38] Okay, okay, actually, the problem is that
[00:34:41] along with that, when things keep changing definitions, these people say that they keep changing
[00:34:45] it with opportunities. We will connect you again, meaning we will come to this. Now
[00:34:49] Dharmendra Ji, Dr. Kaushalkant Mishra, we will come
[00:34:53] to you, we will take your answer, but viewers, please
[00:34:56] break. All our guests are with us. This discussion will continue
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[00:37:26] Welcome back after the break and we are discussing the politics of Uttar Pradesh where
[00:37:30] the nomenclature of PDA seems to be changing
[00:37:33] and the meaning of P has been given a new nomenclature by Akhilesh Yadav.
[00:37:37] P means not backward, P means Pandit. And our discussion
[00:37:41] on this continues. Dr. Kaushalkant Mishra, before we went on
[00:37:44] break, you wanted to answer. In fact, you will have to answer the many
[00:37:48] allegations you made. They are saying that you are accused of stealing donations
[00:37:52] for the Ram Mandir. Look, once again, you have been accused, so
[00:37:56] will you answer that? And also, if, as
[00:38:00] Dharmendra Singh is saying, if P has multiple
[00:38:03] definitions, if P means backward, P means Pandit,
[00:38:07] P means oppressed, then what's the problem
[00:38:11] for you? Nothing, no problem Nikhil ji, that's why we say
[00:38:14] electoral chameleons keep changing colors, nothing else.
[00:38:18] Now, let's talk about the main issue. First of all, the
[00:38:21] allegation he made, they play politics of religion. Nikhil ji,
[00:38:25] that's why we proudly say that anyone who steals donations is a criminal and should
[00:38:29] go to jail. If anyone has illegal construction, a bulldozer
[00:38:32] should be run on it. Only someone playing politics of religion can say this.
[00:38:36] The one who stole in Ram's temple is a criminal.
[00:38:40] No criminal more vile than him can be born in India or the world.
[00:38:43] This is what they say. Now let's
[00:38:47] talk about it. My friend was talking about Dalit love.
[00:38:50] Such was their love for Dalits that the only female Dalit leader
[00:38:54] of India, if we leave out Ramabai,
[00:38:57] if we leave out the pre-independence era, Mayawati became a big Dalit leader.
[00:39:01] They would have killed her if BJP's Brahmadev Ji had not reached there.
[00:39:04] This was Dalit love. This was Dalit love
[00:39:08] that they abolished reservation in promotion in Uttar
[00:39:11] Pradesh. This was Dalit love. This was Dalit love
[00:39:15] that they tried to reduce Dalit reservation in Uttar Pradesh.
[00:39:18] The SC/ST Act of Dalits, when Mulayam
[00:39:22] Ji's government was there, they diluted it and worked to abolish it. And they talk about Dalit love.
[00:39:26] Dalit was that there used to be a Chhatrapati Sahu Ji Maharaj
[00:39:30] Nagar. Yes, today's Amethi. Mayawati Ji
[00:39:34] had done it. Kanpur Dehat was made Ramabai Nagar. They changed it.
[00:39:38] Bhim Nagar was made, Prabuddha Nagar was made, Panchsheel Nagar
[00:39:41] was made. They changed all those names. This is their Dalit love. Dalit
[00:39:45] love has ended. No matter how much Mayawati Ji
[00:39:48] tries, she is not going with them. That's why they have fallen into the lap of Pandit.
[00:39:51] You have to understand this. Why do they only and only do vote
[00:39:55] bank politics? In the country, the percentage of Brahmins
[00:39:59] is 12 to 14%.
[00:40:02] If there is a largest representation of a caste, it is Brahmins,
[00:40:05] 12 to 14%. That's why that Brahmin who
[00:40:08] had become a prostitute, today he has become their vote bank. This
[00:40:12] is the Samajwadi Party. Their second vote bank is Muslims. In Uttar Pradesh,
[00:40:16] 20% are Muslims. That's why this minority sits in their lap
[00:40:20] and they sit in its lap. Also know the percentage of Yadav,
[00:40:23] it is 8 to 9%. These are three big vote banks
[00:40:27] of castes, that's why they cannot rise above caste politics. And
[00:40:31] as for their love for Ram, do you remember
[00:40:34] what slogan was raised in Ayodhya?
[00:40:37] Neither Mathura
[00:40:39] nor Kashi, Avdhesh Paswan in Ayodhya.
[00:40:43] Whose politics are they doing? Caste politics. They are extreme
[00:40:46] casteists. They are extreme dividers of Hindus.
[00:40:50] By dividing Hindus and doing caste politics,
[00:40:54] by adding Muslims, they want to make the whole of Uttar Pradesh a gangster state again,
[00:40:58] from where today Uttar Pradesh has become the best state
[00:41:01] from a good state. It used to be a sick state in terms of economy. Today it has become the second
[00:41:05] largest economy in the country. Where pistols and bombs were made, today
[00:41:08] Brahmos are being made. They want to take it back to the same Uttar Pradesh. This is their
[00:41:12] politics because they are trying to divide in the name of caste.
[00:41:15] They only and only do caste politics
[00:41:18] and nothing else. Their slogans will not leave
[00:41:21] them.
[00:41:23] Our spokesperson from RLD is sitting here. Didn't their leader say,
[00:41:27] "A Samajwadi flag on the car, a goon sitting inside"? This is their
[00:41:31] character. Your slogans reflect your soul, your heart.
[00:41:35] Not the slogans of the Bharatiya Janata Party, Ram resides in their hearts.
[00:41:39] And we proudly say that we do politics of religion.
[00:41:42] Mistakes will happen, they will be corrected. But if these people do very big religious
[00:41:46] politics, they have become very big Brahminists, Hinduists, then tell us here
[00:41:50] whether a temple of Krishna should be built in Mathura
[00:41:53] or not. We proudly say, no, it will not be built by the court,
[00:41:56] we will bring a law and build it, but we will build a temple in Mathura. If you have the courage, say it here.
[00:42:00] Okay, okay, we will take an answer on this, but before that, I want Rohit
[00:42:04] Agarwal, I, in fact, Ramkripal sir,
[00:42:08] I will come to you too, but before
[00:42:10] that, I want Rohit Agarwal to address one point that
[00:42:13] there is an attempt to divide Hindus. How do you see the effect of that politics
[00:42:17] in your area, in Western Uttar Pradesh? And
[00:42:21] the SP spokesperson said that you were whatever you were because of the Samajwadi Party,
[00:42:25] so your very existence was because of them, so how will you do politics
[00:42:28] without them? I mean, in the coming
[00:42:31] politics, I am saying when the PDA
[00:42:35] equation is being changed, what will be your take on it? That's what
[00:42:39] I mean. Look, Nikhil ji, these new
[00:42:42] rainy season frogs who have emerged in politics, they have no knowledge of history.
[00:42:46] If you start from 1989, then their leader Mulayam Singh
[00:42:50] stabbed Chaudhary Ajit Singh in the back, he betrayed him.
[00:42:54] That's when the Samajwadi Party was
[00:42:57] formed. The spokesperson sitting here is the spokesperson of a party
[00:43:01] formed by betraying the Rashtriya Lok Dal. They don't even know
[00:43:04] that Chaudhary Charan Singh ji started his politics with the blessings of Mulayam Singh.
[00:43:08] They tell us that we are at their mercy.
[00:43:11] The one who started his politics
[00:43:15] at our mercy, Mulayam Singh, who saved
[00:43:18] his life, with whom they are in alliance today, Mulayam Singh ji
[00:43:22] begged at Chaudhary Charan Singh ji's feet to save his life
[00:43:26] from Congress, and then his life was saved, otherwise Congress would have killed him,
[00:43:30] would have gotten him murdered. These people should look back at the pages of history,
[00:43:34] then they will understand something. Now these illiterate people don't know anything. The hunger for power
[00:43:37] is so great, so much
[00:43:40] that they come and talk nonsense on TV. So the situation is completely
[00:43:44] clear that the party whose origin was at the mercy
[00:43:47] of the Rashtriya Lok Dal, if they talk to us like
[00:43:51] this, I think it will be like showing a torch to the sun.
[00:43:55] And they have to understand that we are an ideology-driven
[00:43:58] party. We are a party driven by the ideology of Chaudhary Charan Singh ji.
[00:44:02] Unlike you, we don't need to do politics in the name of caste. Unlike
[00:44:06] you, we don't need to incite riots in the name of religion,
[00:44:10] the way you used to try to form a government
[00:44:13] at the mercy of Mukhtar Ansari and Atiq Ahmed.
[00:44:16] Your leaders used to shake hands with their dogs on stage
[00:44:20] and after their death, your leaders were reading Fatiha at their graves.
[00:44:24] And after that, today you consider yourself worthy of talking
[00:44:27] to us. You have no existence and the public understands
[00:44:31] very well that the axe they were talking about, that they had installed an axe in 2022,
[00:44:34] first of all, Lord Parashuram worked to bring down that axe.
[00:44:38] And that axe they had installed could not withstand even a storm.
[00:44:42] A slight wind blew and the axe fell because Lord Parashuram
[00:44:45] had given a message to the entire Brahmin
[00:44:49] the axe to deceive. There is no Brahmin
[00:44:53] love in their hearts, there is no Dalit love,
[00:44:56] no backward love, no minority love in their hearts.
[00:45:00] In their hearts, there is only one love, and that is the hunger for power,
[00:45:04] the chair of power, which I think the public will not give them again.
[00:45:08] Okay, okay, let's take the answer. Dharmendra Singh ji, let's take the answer,
[00:45:12] after that I will go to Ramkripal ji. Dharmendra ji, this
[00:45:15] challenging question about Mathura and Kashi was asked, he said to answer it,
[00:45:19] so I want you to answer the BJP spokesperson and
[00:45:22] him too. Look, it is like this, as
[00:45:26] far as Mathura Kashi is concerned or Prabhu Shri Ram Mandir, Samajwadi
[00:45:30] Party has always said that the honorable court will decide, the whole
[00:45:32] country, the whole country accepted it. These people raise slogans for Prabhu Shri Ram
[00:45:36] that we will come, we will build it. What did they do? The path of Prabhu,
[00:45:40] the temple that was built, and the order of the Supreme Court was made. And the same goes for Mathura, whatever
[00:45:44] the court decides, the matter is sub-judice, the whole country
[00:45:46] will accept it. Foolish to become a manager just to steal donations,
[00:45:50] to become a manager and then an owner, that's something else. Secondly, our
[00:45:54] friend, the so-called wise Mulayam Singh ji's guru
[00:45:57] must have been him. Didn't he? Oh, your leader has changed parties many times, ask him.
[00:46:01] And the one who defeated him was no one else but the Bharatiya Janata Party. The Samajwadi
[00:46:05] Party, with whom did they not form an alliance?
[00:46:08] No.
[00:46:40] gave the explanation. We fought elections together. Now they are digging up that issue from the dustbin of history,
[00:46:44] because they have nothing to say for the future. Those who have nothing to do, they stir up the dust of history.
[00:46:48] This is their condition. Secondly, we are talking about 2022. The people
[00:46:51] whose names they are taking, it is because of them that they reached zero. Where did
[00:46:55] these people who are now integrated into the Uttar Pradesh government
[00:46:59] go? In 2022, they fought elections with us.
[00:47:02] And the ministers who are enjoying their posts in Rajya Sabha, through whose grace
[00:47:06] did they go? Don't they feel ashamed saying this? So the Bharatiya Janata Party
[00:47:10] defeated both their leaders, their current national president and the late
[00:47:13] Chaudhary Saheb, who was highly respected. Nikhil ji, those people are giving us knowledge.
[00:47:17] Sitting on our shoulders, they say that because of us,
[00:47:20] they went there and for their share of power, they are deceiving
[00:47:24] the people of Western Uttar Pradesh. They are giving us knowledge
[00:47:28] about whom to take along and whom not to. Oh, it's okay,
[00:47:31] we lost by a few votes in 2022. The roads that are collapsing,
[00:47:35] the bridges that are collapsing, a week ago, the Lucknow-Kanpur
[00:47:39] Expressway was inaugurated and then disappeared into a pit. If you have the ability to ask questions
[00:47:42] about that, then ask. Okay.
[00:47:46] तो पूछ लीजिए ठीक है
[00:47:50] government
[00:47:52] Yes,
[00:47:58] if the Samajwadi Party spokesperson really wants to tell something,
[00:48:02] then just tell us which party in the country the Samajwadi Party has not formed an alliance with.
[00:48:06] They even tried to form an alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party
[00:48:10] and used their support to establish their party.
[00:48:13] And today, sitting here, they are giving all sorts of knowledge, saying that
[00:48:17] they brought some revolution. Sir, you haven't brought any revolution. The people
[00:48:21] of the country have rejected you.
[00:48:56] I also repeated it. Don't talk about each other in between. Rohit ji, speak quickly. Yes, we
[00:48:59] put a person on TV who doesn't know anything. Oh no, personal comments, he doesn't know anything. Oh, he
[00:49:03] doesn't know anything. Oh brother, Samajwadi Party, Bharatiya Janata
[00:49:06] Party, oh, you tried to come into government by forming an alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party.
[00:49:09] Brother, this person doesn't know anything.
[00:49:13] Now tell me, the situation has become such that the Samajwadi Party spokesperson
[00:49:17] is openly lying that we never formed an alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party. So,
[00:49:21] brother, if you didn't form an alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party, then who did
[00:49:24] in 1992 to form a government
[00:49:28] in Uttar Pradesh? Alliance. Look, this is extremely unfortunate. The Samajwadi Party
[00:49:31] spokesperson only wants to spread lies and doesn't want to answer any questions.
[00:49:35] I asked him a pointed question about reservation.
[00:49:39] Why did you oppose reservation in promotion? He has no answer for that.
[00:49:42] To name Janeshwar Mishra Park, why did you change the name of Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar Park
[00:49:46] to Janeshwar Park? He has no answer for this.
[00:49:50] They have no
[00:50:22] debates every day, what was today's topic?
[00:50:26] My point is that I don't see any discussion
[00:50:30] on that topic. Actually, discussions happen
[00:50:33] according to convenience, sir. Whatever the topic,
[00:50:36] and many times I also try to bring it
[00:50:40] there. Yes, my point is that
[00:50:44] this discussion is not for writing essays on all the parties
[00:50:47] in India. What was the event of the day?
[00:50:51] The event of the day was that Akhilesh
[00:50:55] called P Pandit. The debate should be on that. Yes, absolutely.
[00:50:59] Here, and I am saying this with great humility,
[00:51:02] that this bickering will neither increase anyone's votes
[00:51:05] nor decrease anyone's. This
[00:51:09] misconception should have been cleared a long time ago
[00:51:12] that political parties create narratives.
[00:51:16] Political parties do not create narratives, the public creates them.
[00:51:20] Yes, you can see an example of this.
[00:51:23] Voters don't meet because leaders meet.
[00:51:26] In 2019, Akhilesh and Mayawati came together on one platform,
[00:51:29] but Dalits and backward
[00:51:33] Yadav people did not unite.
[00:51:37] There should be no misconception that our bickering will increase
[00:51:40] anyone's votes. I want to say
[00:51:43] one thing, brother, Dharmendra ji said a sentence,
[00:51:47] I don't know if he was conscious or just said it. He said when
[00:51:51] society goes astray, gets confused,
[00:51:54] society never goes astray or gets confused.
[00:51:58] This politics
[00:52:00] can go astray or get confused.
[00:52:04] It happens, and from time to time, the public
[00:52:08] is certainly innocent. Many times, then
[00:52:11] when the next opportunity comes, they take it.
[00:52:15] Look, many people give the example of 2024,
[00:52:19] but before 24, there was 14 and 19 too.
[00:52:22] At that time, the Samajwadi Party got
[00:52:25] only five seats in Lok Sabha.
[00:52:28] Five in 14 and five in 19,
[00:52:31] meaning in 10 years, the people of this country elected
[00:52:35] the family of the Samajwadi Party, but did not vote
[00:52:39] for the party. Yes, so we should not
[00:52:42] forget that, okay, in 2014,
[00:52:46] many things happened, but what I say
[00:52:49] is that look, a lot of change has happened.
[00:52:52] After the demolition of Babri Masjid in 1900,
[00:52:56] the minorities of this country held Congress equally
[00:53:00] responsible as BJP. That's why
[00:53:04] all those vote banks went to Mulayam,
[00:53:07] to Mayawati, to Mamata,
[00:53:11] to Lalu Yadav, to so and so.
[00:53:15] But in Karnataka in the last election,
[00:53:18] when they left Deve Gowda and returned to Congress,
[00:53:21] they hoped that Congress might become
[00:53:25] a national alternative, but when Congress
[00:53:28] kept getting defeated like that,
[00:53:32] then the young generation of Muslims
[00:53:35] started considering Owaisi as their leader. This
[00:53:38] is a definite fact. Yes, and wherever Owaisi went to elections,
[00:53:42] a large section is going towards Owaisi.
[00:53:45] So now the ground reality is changing
[00:53:49] a lot in Uttar Pradesh. We are fine, I
[00:53:52] believe that everyone, Mayawati also,
[00:53:56] it's nothing new. Do you remember the slogan, Brahmins will blow the conch,
[00:53:59] the elephant will keep walking? This has happened in Uttar Pradesh.
[00:54:03] It's not that for the first time someone is calling
[00:54:07] a Pandit, P is Pandit, and we will keep that in mind.
[00:54:10] Mayawati has tried this, her parties have done it.
[00:54:14] My point is that many things have changed.
[00:54:18] You people should look at the future. Every political party
[00:54:21] will woo vote banks, will consolidate vote banks,
[00:54:24] but we should not forget that it is the same
[00:54:28] Congress party that is now saying that
[00:54:31] regional parties have no future. Okay.
[00:54:35] Join. Yes, so you see that the vote bank
[00:54:39] of the one you are going with tomorrow is also the same,
[00:54:42] which is what they are looking for, that Brahmins should come
[00:54:45] to us, Dalits should come to us, and Muslims
[00:54:49] should come to us, because its traditional
[00:54:53] leader, that is, leadership and strength, its strength
[00:54:56] is also the same, on whom you depend. One thing,
[00:55:00] sir, one more thing, sir, I wanted to know, actually, in this whole debate, that
[00:55:04] P for Pandit, P for backward, or P for what? Actually,
[00:55:07] the politics of development is falling behind. Why is this not being debated?
[00:55:11] I, I wanted to know this from you. On this
[00:55:15] point, I was going to say was,
[00:55:17] see the politics of development is not going backwards,
[00:55:21] leaders do not want to talk about it, the public will vote
[00:55:25] for development, what has happened in Bihar
[00:55:28] in the way I have just discussed
[00:55:31] the Lok Sabha, any parties
[00:55:36] that try to stop women's reservation in this
[00:55:39] house, you can be sure that
[00:55:42] they will be considered enemies of women,
[00:55:46] and this has been a very big factor, that
[00:55:49] last time, the way the government was defeated
[00:55:52] on women's reservation by these people,
[00:55:56] after that, the elections in Bengal and
[00:55:59] Bihar have had a very big impact, I am telling
[00:56:03] you, this
[00:56:05] is not about development and facilities,
[00:56:09] this is about empowerment. Today, a woman who
[00:56:13] was being driven out of her house, today if she
[00:56:16] has an account in her name, a house in her name,
[00:56:19] a cylinder in her name, then she says, this house
[00:56:23] is mine, not her husband's, okay, so whoever
[00:56:27] becomes an obstacle in the way of
[00:56:30] this women's empowerment, I think the public will not forgive them,
[00:56:34] okay, I want to take comments in 10-20 seconds quickly
[00:56:37] on what Ram Kripal ji has said, Dr.
[00:56:41] Kaushal Kant, how big an issue is development going
[00:56:45] to be, will elections be based on caste
[00:56:47] or will you also talk about development? The
[00:56:51] truth is that it should be on development, but the way
[00:56:55] the opposition is doing politics, development will be left behind
[00:56:59] and many other issues will come forward, Nikhil ji,
[00:57:01] the biggest thing is that the PDA of the Samajwadi
[00:57:05] Party, which they are trying to explain as P from Pandit,
[00:57:09] its real form is Parivar Development Alliance, the reason
[00:57:13] why I am telling you is that Ram Kripal ji said that
[00:57:17] five won in 2014, five won in 2019, those
[00:57:19] five were from one family, and that family was not backward,
[00:57:23] Dharmendra ji, you also listen, the five who won, those
[00:57:27] five were not OBCs, they were all creamy layer forwards,
[00:57:31] so they only take votes in the name of backwards,
[00:57:35] they nourish one family, that's why your real full form
[00:57:38] is Parivar Development Alliance, and that's why it has been
[00:57:41] rightly said about you that cashews are roasted in the plate,
[00:57:45] whisky in the glass, you are pure socialists in white
[00:57:49] clothes, thank you very much to all of you. That's all for this discussion,
[00:57:53] Dr. Kaushal Kant Mishra, Dharmendra Singh, Rohit
[00:57:54] Aggarwal and Ram Kripal ji, many
[00:57:57] thanks. So, that's all for today's Panchayat of Five,
[00:58:01] but before we leave you, let us share a breaking
[00:58:04] news with you. The Chief Minister of Mizoram today
[00:58:08] held an important meeting with the Union Home Minister
[00:58:12] regarding the proposed Foreign Contribution Regulation Act
[00:58:15] (FCRA) bill. In the meeting, the Chief Minister
[00:58:18] apprised the Home Minister of the state's concerns
[00:58:22] and suggestions. After the meeting, the Chief Minister
[00:58:25] of Mizoram said that the Home Minister has shown a
[00:58:29] positive attitude on the issues raised by the state.
[00:58:33] According to the Chief Minister, the Home Minister
[00:58:36] has also assured that no case will be registered
[00:58:40] against anyone on a retrospective basis under the proposed
[00:58:43] provisions. So, the Chief Minister of Mizoram has met
[01:00:17] the Home Minister in the entire context of the FCRA
[01:00:21] law, and what else? The institutions that are already
[01:00:25] running will not be subject to this. In the coming
[01:00:28] time, if any institution receives funding from abroad
[01:00:31] and misuses that funding, and after misusing it,
[01:00:34] if the registration of that institution is cancelled,
[01:00:38] then the government can seize those assets, especially
[01:00:41] for their seizure, an