DDNEWS — Do Took 20260806 163000 UTC 889 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] You too, in this way, with a variety [00:00:04] of handloom, can [00:00:08] the police had to lathi-charge certainly put your point across to the world by making [00:00:11] a GRWM video. You can motivate [00:00:15] people for handloom. Our [00:00:17] work [00:00:19] is to make our small, poor families economically prosperous [00:00:23] to make an Atmanirbhar Bharat. Let's [00:00:27] buy something from handloom [00:00:30] ourselves, make a video [00:00:34] of it, and promote [00:00:38] that video in the country and the world [00:00:42] so that the world [00:00:44] also gets acquainted with the capabilities [00:00:48] of our weaver brothers and sisters. Come, August 7th is Handloom [00:00:53] Be careful Day. Many [00:00:56] congratulations, friends. We must not [00:01:02] This is necessary to save the country. forget 1905. On August 7th, [00:01:06] 1905, the Swadeshi movement for the country's freedom [00:01:09] began. The foundation [00:01:12] of self-reliant India [00:01:16] was laid. Against [00:01:18] the British, the countrymen fought a very big battle. [00:01:21] Everyone [00:01:24] on that stage with the 'tukde-tukde gang' joined. Last week, [00:01:27] all of you celebrated Friendship Day. [00:01:31] Today I urge that August 7th is Handloom [00:01:35] Day. We have to celebrate [00:01:38] Handloom Day with the same enthusiasm [00:01:41] and zeal. And celebrating [00:01:44] Handloom Day means that every [00:01:47] poor family, [00:01:50] said that if someone posts who makes clothes with their own hands on small looms at home, and [00:01:54] there are new varieties, [00:01:56] you see, what isn't there? And [00:02:02] you too, in this way, with a variety [00:02:06] of handloom, [00:02:09] stand and asked for an apology. can certainly put your point across to the world [00:02:11] by making [00:02:13] a GRWM video. You can inspire [00:02:16] people for handloom. [00:02:19] Our [00:02:22] work is to make our small, poor families economically prosperous [00:02:25] to make an Atmanirbhar Bharat. 1905 [00:03:00] August we must not forget. [00:03:04] On August 7, [00:03:07] 1905, the Swadeshi movement for the country's independence [00:03:11] began. And [00:03:14] the foundation of self-reliant [00:03:17] India was laid. Against [00:03:21] the British, the countrymen [00:03:24] and to run the same campaign fought a very big battle. People [00:03:26] joined. Last week, all of you [00:03:35] what foreign companies [00:03:48] even if for 5 hours, [00:04:00] have new varieties, you see, what isn't there? [00:04:04] it is stopped. And you too, in this way, [00:04:07] with a variety of handloom, [00:04:10] can [00:04:13] certainly put your point across to the world by making [00:04:17] a GRWM video. You can inspire [00:04:20] people for handloom. [00:04:23] Our [00:04:25] work is to make our small, poor families economically prosperous [00:04:29] to make an Atmanirbhar Bharat. Let's [00:04:32] buy something from handloom [00:04:36] Modi ji's post was removed for a few minutes, ourselves, make [00:04:39] a video [00:04:40] of it, [00:04:43] have been continuously communicating and promote that video [00:04:46] in the country and the world so [00:04:49] that the world [00:04:52] With Nehru, also gets acquainted with the capabilities [00:04:55] with Indira Gandhi, with Rajiv of our weaver brothers and sisters. Come, August 7th [00:04:57] is [00:05:12] Super Hing. Those who have used it know the taste [00:05:16] of real asafoetida. MDH Super Hing, the real [00:05:20] tadka of purity, real spices, MDH. [00:05:23] MDH has done new work at home. [00:05:27] The educated, smart daughter-in-law has come. [00:05:31] Mommy ji, you are smart. You have brought two [00:05:34] Lakshmi together in the house. Two Lakshmi in one [00:05:38] house, one there. [00:05:39] It's PM Surya [00:05:43] Ghar. [00:05:46] Solar is also the Lakshmi of the house. It makes the electricity bill zero. [00:05:50] My daughter-in-law is smart. It's all God's [00:05:53] grace, Mommy ji. [00:05:56] Avail the benefits of PM Surya Ghar Free Electricity Scheme. Get a subsidy of up to 78 thousand rupees. [00:06:00] Now the electricity bill will be zero. Every house, Surya Ghar. [00:08:10] Namaste, you are watching Do Took on DD News. I am Ashok [00:08:13] Srivastava. The mobile phone in your hand [00:08:17] is a very big power. You and the whole world [00:08:20] have realized this a long time ago. [00:08:24] But on the social [00:08:27] media platforms inside [00:08:30] your mobile, on those social media platforms, [00:08:34] do you see what [00:08:36] you want to [00:08:39] see or [00:08:42] are you actually shown [00:08:48] sitting outside [00:08:50] India decide? [00:08:54] That means the phone is yours, [00:08:57] the data is yours, and [00:09:01] the social media app is your [00:09:04] platform. But what are you seeing on that platform? [00:09:07] Is this being decided [00:09:11] by someone sitting in some corner [00:09:14] of the world outside India? This is a very [00:09:18] big and very deep question. If you are [00:09:22] under the misconception that you decide [00:09:26] what you will see, if you are under [00:09:30] the misconception that you want to see only [00:09:32] what you want, then [00:09:34] open your eyes. Actually, [00:09:38] you follow some social media handles, you want to see some things. [00:09:43] But you are being shown [00:09:46] what someone else is deciding. And I am [00:09:50] not saying this myself. The companies [00:09:53] that run these [00:09:56] big platforms, the ones who run [00:10:00] them, the ones who operate them, have in a way [00:10:03] accepted this. You see, [00:10:07] there was a protest at Jantar Mantar just now, [00:10:10] a very big protest. And on the 20th, [00:10:14] that is, on July 20th, when [00:10:17] the protesters at Jantar Mantar were moving towards Parliament, [00:10:21] they had reached within 500 meters of Parliament, [00:10:25] and the situation was very bad. At that time, they had broken through the police barricades [00:10:29] and moved forward. So [00:10:33] to disperse that crowd and to secure Parliament. [00:10:37] The police lathi-charged. Some innocent students [00:10:41] also became its target. [00:10:44] But on the other hand, [00:10:47] the protesters or the wrong elements among the students [00:10:51] pelted stones at the police, vandalized the police, [00:10:56] severely injured the police. This [00:10:59] is a two-sided story, it's not a one-sided story. [00:11:02] But remember and go back [00:11:06] a little in flashback, you will understand [00:11:10] that on the 20th, on the 20th, 21st, 22nd, [00:11:13] suddenly all those videos, [00:11:17] all those links, all those things [00:11:21] were coming on your mobile phone, [00:11:25] which were proving that what happened at Jantar [00:11:28] Mantar, what happened outside Parliament, in that [00:11:32] only students were beaten, and the protesters [00:11:35] did nothing, they were very innocent and very naive people. [00:11:39] This must have happened to you. But [00:11:43] after four or five days, videos from both sides [00:11:46] started coming into the public, from both sides, which also showed [00:11:50] that students were also beating. On the other hand, we were also [00:11:53] seeing, on the other hand, the protesters [00:11:57] were pelting stones at the police, breaking police vehicles, [00:12:00] the red lights that were installed, [00:12:03] the CCTV cameras that were installed, they were breaking them and taking them home. [00:12:07] This also happened. You saw both pictures after four or five days, [00:12:11] and also that the videos [00:12:14] of abusing Prime Minister Narendra Modi, [00:12:18] the vulgar and obscene media, which you probably [00:12:21] would never want to see at home, suddenly [00:12:25] started popping up on your social media [00:12:27] handle. Suddenly they started popping [00:12:31] up, and then you must have felt [00:12:35] that the entire youth of the country has become abusive, [00:12:39] the students of the entire country have come out on the streets, [00:12:42] and the police in the entire country have become [00:12:45] the enemy of the students. You must have felt that way. [00:12:48] But do you know, do you have any idea [00:12:52] that there is actually a thing called an algorithm [00:12:55] or a monster called an algorithm, which had hacked your mind [00:12:59] at that time? Yes, the algorithm [00:13:02] had hacked your mind. You were constantly [00:13:05] being shown one-sided, one type [00:13:09] of things, and by showing [00:13:12] and showing, your mind had been hacked. And [00:13:16] again I am saying, I am not saying this. [00:13:20] The companies that run these social media handles [00:13:23] have accepted that what happened [00:13:26] in India, from Jantar Mantar to abusing [00:13:30] the Prime Minister, all this content, [00:13:33] someone paid money for this content, [00:13:37] and these companies, the Meta company, accepted it. [00:13:40] Its officials accepted that they [00:13:43] boosted all this content by taking money [00:13:47] from a third party and delivered it [00:13:51] to your mobile phone. Now, how big is this game? [00:13:55] And this game was caught because [00:13:58] Meta, the same Meta that runs your WhatsApp, [00:14:01] your Facebook, and your [00:14:05] Instagram and Threads, when that Meta company [00:14:08] restricted the social media post [00:14:12] of the Prime Minister of India [00:14:15] on Facebook, when it put a stop to [00:14:19] it, then it was found that what is happening? On one hand, [00:14:22] the Prime Minister's post in India, the Prime Minister's [00:14:26] post is restricted, [00:14:29] On the other hand, posts that abuse the Prime Minister, [00:14:33] posts that say obscene things to him, are boosted [00:14:37] by taking money. And when the Prime Minister's [00:14:40] posts were stopped, then the Indian government's eyes opened, [00:14:44] their ears perked up, and Meta was called. [00:14:48] Meta was summoned. And [00:14:50] Meta has apologized to Prime Minister Narendra Modi. [00:14:53] But for the last two days, [00:14:57] the parliamentary committee [00:15:00] on IT sector in India, [00:15:03] and also the IT ministry and the government [00:15:08] with Meta officials. And the news [00:15:12] is that all the Meta officials who have come [00:15:15] to India have been given a dressing down [00:15:18] and they have admitted that they have [00:15:22] played this game in India, they have played this game [00:15:25] by taking money. So today this [00:15:29] question is before us: was the gathering at Jantar Mantar really a gathering [00:15:33] of students or was it some game of algorithms? [00:15:35] It is very important to raise this question directly today, [00:15:39] because remember, before this, [00:15:42] what happened in India, because India is a democratic [00:15:46] country, but for the last five, six, seven [00:15:50] years, social media companies in many countries [00:15:53] have launched their campaign of regime change. [00:15:57] Regime change has happened in many countries, only [00:16:01] because social media has amplified [00:16:05] the entire campaign of regime change. [00:16:08] Were social media platforms trying to do this [00:16:12] in India as well? And will they try to do this [00:16:16] in the coming days as well? Or will the Indian government [00:16:20] show these companies their place and will these companies [00:16:23] not dare to do any such work [00:16:26] in India? Will the Indian government make a way for this? [00:16:30] Will a red line be drawn? Will the reins of these [00:16:33] runaway companies be tightened? Today, all these questions [00:16:37] are before us. We will discuss all these questions directly. [00:16:41] Is the Jantar Mantar gathering a game of algorithms? We will discuss this. [00:16:45] Before that, listen to what is being said about it. Listen. [00:17:05] This is a victory for the Constitution of India. [00:17:08] This is a victory for the Parliament of India. And [00:17:11] this shows the strength of the Honorable Prime Minister [00:17:14] who leads 140 crore people that whoever wants to do business [00:17:18] in India will have to obey the laws of India. [00:17:22] They have shadow-banned all our leaders. When [00:17:25] nonsensical things are run against us, [00:17:29] Meta does not have to be summoned. Meta has been summoned. [00:17:31] The rules for the Prime Minister are separate, [00:17:35] and for us, they are separate. Why? [00:17:41] We ourselves, Nishikant Ji, who is our chairman, took a very strong [00:17:46] And along with that, we had also expressed concern [00:17:50] that anti-nationals are propagated in such a way and [00:17:53] are promoted in such a way. We had also expressed concern about that. [00:17:57] So we are very happy [00:18:01] that they have admitted their mistakes and in the future [00:18:05] also, the way our national security is being threatened [00:18:08] by these terrorist forces, we expect to get relief [00:18:12] from that too. Nishikant Dubey said absolutely right, because when you spread [00:18:16] wrong information, which harms the image [00:18:19] and reputation of the country, the image and reputation [00:18:23] of democracy, internationally, [00:18:27] then it is necessary to refute it, and Meta will [00:18:30] have to answer. Any organization that [00:18:34] harms the tradition of India and the constitution of India [00:18:37] and the parliament of India, they should apologize. [00:18:40] Big [00:18:44] companies say that we will come to India, [00:18:48] we will enjoy the benefits of the Indian market, but we will not follow the law, [00:18:52] and we will violate [00:18:55] the law. When it happened in the end, [00:18:58] no problem, we will say sorry. Look, saying sorry [00:19:02] or apologizing doesn't work. Legal [00:19:05] procedures are different. [00:19:37] They have admitted that their algorithm has [00:19:40] some glitches. This they have admitted. Now, news is coming that these Meta [00:19:44] officials will stay in India for a few more days, and [00:19:48] during this, the IT [00:19:52] sector secretaries of India [00:19:55] will have continuous discussions with these companies. [00:19:59] We will discuss all this. Five guests will be in today's debate. [00:20:02] Let me introduce them. Charu Pragya has joined me. She is the spokesperson [00:20:06] of BJP, Charu Pragya ji. Show the guests on [00:20:09] the screen. Charu Pragya ji has joined me. Sanjeev Kaushik [00:20:12] has joined me. Sanjeev Kaushik is a political analyst, a supporter [00:20:16] of the Congress party. Vandana Sinha has joined me. She is the spokesperson [00:20:19] of Aam Aadmi Party. Nirva [00:20:23] Mehta has joined me. She is the Editor-in-Chief of The Pamphlet. [00:20:26] We will also discuss why the pamphlet is in discussion [00:20:29] these days. And Suresh Nakhwa ji is with me. [00:20:33] He is a political analyst, and also Suresh Nakhwa [00:20:37] ji is an IT expert. Thank you all. [00:20:40] Welcome. I am starting with Charu Pragya ji and Sanjeev [00:20:44] Kaushik ji. I am giving you both one and a half minutes each. After that, [00:20:47] I will start today's debate. I will take [00:20:51] the debate forward. Charu Pragya ji, [00:20:54] some people are saying that the government is trying [00:20:57] to impose censorship, that by calling these companies, [00:21:01] by drilling them down, the government is [00:21:04] trying to control social media censorship. [00:21:07] Speak. Ashok [00:21:10] ji, Namaste. See, in simple [00:21:14] language, I want to explain one thing. For a very long [00:21:18] time, these big tech companies, [00:21:20] these foreign tech companies, they earn money [00:21:23] like publishers, but they hide [00:21:27] behind the guise of being intermediaries, saying that [00:21:30] they have no responsibility. The users, [00:21:34] like you, like me, like [00:21:38] Sanjeev ji, the users are responsible for [00:21:41] what they post on their pages. But if these posts are made on your [00:21:45] platform and these posts contain criminal [00:21:49] elements, these posts contain lies, these posts [00:21:53] contain pornography, if these posts contain something [00:21:57] that can incite riots, that can spread lies, then [00:22:00] these tech giants will also have to take responsibility. [00:22:03] And that is why IT rules were implemented [00:22:07] in our country. At the time of implementing IT rules, some things [00:22:11] became clear. An officer of these companies will always [00:22:15] be stationed in our country. If any problem arises, [00:22:18] that post will be taken down within 24 hours. And this [00:22:21] time also, the discussion is on big issues, Ashok ji. [00:22:25] It would be in the national interest if it is not made political. [00:22:29] And I will tell you how. The biggest [00:22:32] issue is child sexual abuse material. And regarding [00:22:36] this, our government asked questions. Our government [00:22:40] such things, and pays your platform to amplify [00:22:44] that content, how can you amplify or show [00:22:48] it to other people? It was asked that if you know [00:22:51] that a video is made with AI, which is fake, which is a deepfake video, [00:22:55] if you do not regulate it and someone is spreading it [00:22:59] among the public by paying money, then you cannot hide [00:23:03] behind its excuse. So who makes this algorithm? Who decides [00:23:06] what we consume? And where does its responsibility lie? [00:23:10] This time, when we asked these tough questions, [00:23:13] Meta came forward and apologized. This clearly [00:23:17] shows that the path the government was on, [00:23:21] the laws the government made, were absolutely correct and they should [00:23:25] be strict in this way. Okay, I didn't stop you when your time [00:23:28] was up, because I was just talking about technical things, Ashok ji. [00:23:32] Absolutely, absolutely. I didn't stop you because I thought [00:23:35] these are things that the public should understand, so I didn't stop [00:23:39] this matter. And it's true that child pornography [00:23:42] is boosted on platforms like Insta, [00:23:46] it is shown. That is not acceptable. There are many things, [00:23:50] but Sanjeev Kaushik, see, there is a need [00:23:54] to fix some accountability for these companies. Now Meta [00:23:58] itself has admitted that certain [00:24:01] content was boosted [00:24:04] by taking money. So in India, if you take [00:24:08] money from anywhere, from any corner of the world, from Pakistan, [00:24:12] from Turkey, from China, and content of their [00:24:15] choice is boosted in India, [00:24:18] then regarding this, I think [00:24:22] everyone should support the step taken by the government, [00:24:26] rising above their political boundaries. Do you agree [00:24:28] with this? Ashok ji, first of all, [00:24:31] we are a sovereign nation, and if Meta deletes [00:24:34] any video of our Indian Prime Minister, [00:24:38] it will have to answer for it, [00:24:41] and the Indian government should grab it by the collar [00:24:45] and drag it and ask it [00:24:48] how dare it delete the video of the country's Prime Minister. [00:24:52] But let's move beyond this. [00:24:55] Let's start from when social media was rising. [00:24:59] You will have to talk about it from its rise [00:25:02] to its destruction. Something starts in 2004, [00:25:06] after 2010, Facebook, Twitter and something [00:25:10] else starts, and after 2014, all this chaos starts. [00:25:13] You tell us if the government of the country [00:25:16] is so incompetent that it cannot decide [00:25:20] who the person sitting on social media is who is abusing someone [00:25:24] else, saying bad words about someone else. Does the government not have [00:25:27] any regularity, any authority to decide who this person is? Actually, [00:25:30] the people who were causing such a ruckus in support of the government [00:25:33] on social media, now you see this backfiring, [00:25:37] so you are understanding all these things. [00:25:42] with Nehru's daughter, with Nehru's sister, [00:25:45] Gandhi, with Rahul's sister, who were all those people? [00:25:49] Did you ever try to identify [00:25:52] who these people were? No, there are around 50 [00:25:56] crore active social media users in India. [00:25:59] Is there any verification or data with the Indian government [00:26:03] about how many of them are fake and how many [00:26:06] are genuinely using their original IDs? [00:26:10] The government has deliberately created a large army [00:26:13] of such fake people who appeared to be overpowering [00:26:17] opposition parties. For the last 10-12 years, [00:26:20] a caucus has been formed against opposition parties [00:26:24] and efforts have been made to defame them. Did anyone ever [00:26:27] think about it? Did anyone ever ask a question? And [00:26:31] big ministers, [00:27:02] The truth is that I think Sanjeev ji did not understand some core [00:27:06] things that I was explaining to him. See, first, you differentiate. [00:27:09] Make a distinction. There is a big difference [00:27:12] between surveillance and a tech giant, a company, telling [00:27:16] us what you and I will see. And we come back to the issue, [00:27:20] Ashok ji. And this time, please give me a little extra time [00:27:23] to respond to politics as well. The issue is very big [00:27:27] and understand this that if riots are going to happen [00:27:31] somewhere in our country and someone has made [00:27:34] a wrong video using AI, using deepfake, [00:27:37] and you are spreading lies, Sanjeev ji, don't interrupt me. [00:27:41] Let me explain the issue. The public is intelligent [00:27:45] and will make its own decision. If someone has made [00:27:48] such a fake video, Ashok ji, then can I just throw [00:27:52] money at Meta just because I have money [00:27:56] in my pocket? Does Meta have no responsibility in spreading this lie? [00:27:59] Now, if our country burns because of the result of this lie, [00:28:03] whose responsibility is it? Because if you take money, then you are not an intermediary. [00:28:07] You are an intermediary only until you don't take money. [00:28:11] The moment you start making decisions for us by taking money, you become [00:28:14] a publisher. When you start censoring, [00:28:18] you become a publisher. This is the first point. The second point, [00:28:22] if you look at it from a little distance from political angles, [00:28:25] you will understand that the government has given such a big gift [00:28:29] of safeguard to the public, which did not exist until now. [00:28:33] Now, coming to political issues, you are talking [00:28:37] here that your voice is suppressed. On one hand, your social media [00:28:40] people shout and say, "Look, our Rahul ji has so many [00:28:44] likes, you don't get likes." Then you don't understand this difference, [00:28:48] then you show this comparison in a wrong way. And [00:28:51] secondly, you also don't understand [00:28:54] the difference that I will ask the same question again, [00:28:58] what I see on my Instagram, will I decide that, [00:29:01] or will the one who is paying [00:29:05] Meta decide that, and is making us consume [00:29:08] wrong content? If today the youth of our country are consuming [00:29:12] pornographic content because it has come before them through push marketing, [00:29:16] if a child's photo has been morphed, [00:29:20] and I am not saying this content only for adults, I am saying it for children [00:29:24] because it doesn't have parental filters built in, then where does its responsibility [00:29:28] lie? And if you want to get into politics, Sanjeev ji, [00:29:31] then what can I say to you? No, I will exactly listen. [00:29:35] Look, it's like this, before we proceed, I'm a big Prime Minister. how dare anyone remove the video of [00:29:39] our Prime Minister? How can we take a decision that [00:29:42] our Prime Minister, [00:29:47] one minute, let me make it very clear, look, we are not China, although in India [00:29:50] today many people like China a lot, they invoke China, but [00:29:54] India is not China, where they ban all platforms, saying [00:29:58] that you won't get newspapers, you won't get anything, whatever the government says [00:30:01] will be shown here. Even on government TV, as they call it, even there [00:30:05] we allow people to criticize the government, so this is not China. First of all, [00:30:08] that we ban, but yes, those [00:30:12] social media accounts, those social media [00:30:16] companies, should be regulated. They should be, [00:30:20] and it is the government's responsibility because [00:30:23] it is about 140 crore people. And I am saying again, you can look it up. [00:30:27] Let me tell you my example. Okay, let me first tell you my [00:30:30] example. Look, then you will feel what. [00:30:32] Look, I am telling you, what happened with me. [00:30:36] Look, I made a tweet. Look at the game these [00:30:40] companies are playing. I had made a tweet. Four [00:30:43] days, this, this a week ago I had [00:30:47] tweeted. You can mislead the youth by lying, by giving fake speeches, by making fake [00:30:50] reels, that the police broke their own vehicles, but God [00:30:54] is watching everything. The CCTV camera exposed the leaders of the [00:30:58] CGP who gave speeches and the liars. [00:31:01] This is my tweet from last week. Do you know what its English [00:31:05] translation was? Its translation was [00:31:09] that the CJP who gave false speeches was changed to BJP. [00:31:12] This happened with my tweet. Now you [00:31:16] think that such a big game is being played with a journalist's [00:31:19] tweet. The name of the person I am writing about, whose name I am writing, is being changed. [00:31:23] So you think what kind of dirty [00:31:27] game these companies want to play in India. And let me also tell [00:31:30] you, this deep fake that is, the 2024 [00:31:34] election, half of the election, was fought on [00:31:37] a deep fake video of Amit Shah saying that [00:31:41] Amit Shah said that he would abolish [00:31:45] reservations, which was not true. That deep fake [00:31:49] video was boosted on Instagram, [00:31:52] on every social media handle, on WhatsApp, [00:31:56] and more than half of the Indian public felt that [00:31:59] Amit Shah had said that our government, one minute, let me finish, [00:32:03] if our government comes, we will abolish [00:32:06] reservations, and that affected the election. So I am saying [00:32:09] that it is necessary to draw a red line for these companies, [00:32:13] to fix their accountability. [00:32:17] Whatever political line you want to take is a different matter. Speak. [00:32:21] I will go. One [00:32:24] minute. [00:32:27] Speak, speak, Sanjeev ji, I said that [00:32:30] not even half of it is true. What you are saying, in one line [00:32:34] we are only saying that from 2014 to now, 2026, whose governments are they? [00:32:37] Has any authority, has the government [00:32:41] not been able to develop any such thing? Who are you blaming? [00:32:44] Okay, I understood your point. You are saying this. Okay, [00:32:48] what you are saying is that after 2014, it's your government, you did it, absolutely right. [00:32:52] This question is valid, absolutely valid. I stand with you on this, what was happening [00:32:56] since 2014? If the government has woken up late, then tighten their [00:32:59] screws so much that they don't do this in India again. [00:33:03] Sanjeev Kaushik is also saying this, so Charu ji, you should listen, Ashok ji, [00:33:07] out of fear, out of fear, you are, for any reason, brother, [00:33:10] listen, one minute, one minute, one minute, out of fear, one minute, Sanjeev Kaushik, out of fear, [00:33:14] listen. Say it for any reason, I am saying they are doing it out of fear, [00:33:18] how are they doing it, it's a good thing, isn't it? You yourself are supporting it, and your government's [00:33:21] and Congress's Chief Minister of Kerala also recently gave a statement, [00:33:25] he said, I want social media to be controlled, [00:33:29] social media cannot run like this, so your Chief Minister is also doing it, but [00:33:33] the point is that what you are saying, I hope very much, but [00:33:36] if big leaders of Congress, the way you bravely say that yes, they should be [00:33:39] controlled, it is the government's responsibility, if some big leaders [00:33:43] of Congress would give such a statement, it would be very good. [00:33:45] I will come, but Vandana ji, after that, Suresh ji and Nirva ji, I will come to you, [00:33:49] Vandana ji, do you also feel that these social media companies [00:33:52] are crossing the red line and therefore [00:33:56] their screws should be tightened? [00:33:58] चाहिए, [00:34:00] that earlier [00:34:04] our PM was managing the media, then suddenly [00:34:08] he felt that media management alone would not work, because [00:34:11] today's people, today's students, today's students, today's Gen Z, [00:34:15] today's people are mostly on social media, [00:34:19] and such a big protest went on social media, so the talk of imposing [00:34:23] restrictions on social media now is just because Modi [00:34:27] ji wants his voice to be heard, perhaps that's his aim, [00:34:30] because when his own post disappears [00:34:34] for a few seconds, companies come and apologize to him, [00:34:38] but 140 crore people are raising their voices, [00:34:41] and nobody is listening. Now I will show you a very [00:34:47] quick example. Arvind Kejriwal [00:34:50] ji's account was restricted, okay, I will show you proof and you saw it, I know, [00:34:54] it was restricted, why? Because voice was raised on E-20, [00:34:57] voice was raised on paper leaks, they want to silence because [00:35:01] they know that social media has now become an alternative [00:35:05] for people's voices, so to suppress it today, [00:35:08] because until today, so many abusive, so many abusive [00:35:12] child materials on all these [00:35:45] Some fact-checks should be done. Whatever political talk you want to do, absolutely do it, some [00:35:49] fact-checks should be done. First of all, you said media control, I [00:35:52] have been telling repeatedly, because Vandana ji, today you are joining me for the first time, so [00:35:56] it is very important to correct your information. The best [00:36:00] example of how Prime Minister Narendra Modi controls the media is Doordarshan, [00:36:04] DD News, and how is it [00:36:07] that you call it a government channel, right? So on this DD News, listen, [00:36:11] the fact-check is not yet complete. On this DD News, on this Doordarshan, before 2016, [00:36:15] no opposition leader was invited. Go and check. No [00:36:17] opposition leader could come on DD News [00:36:21] and give advice, could not criticize the government. [00:36:24] But Modi ji controlled it in such a way that he said, no, invite Aam Aadmi [00:36:28] Party also, invite Congress also, and invite every [00:36:31] political party, give them time to criticize the government, [00:36:35] we are doing it clearly. Apart from this, there are many programs on DD News. [00:36:38] One fact-check, okay. Second, one [00:36:42] minute, one minute, one minute. Second, second fact-check. [00:36:45] You saw the Bombay High Court's decision, today's news is that [00:36:49] you saw the Bombay High Court's decision. The Bombay High Court [00:36:53] has said that all the objectionable [00:36:56] posts regarding E-20 should be removed from social media. [00:36:59] This is the decision of the Bombay High Court. And on social [00:37:02] media, as long as Arvind Kejriwal was writing about student issues, [00:37:06] his post was not restricted. When he was spreading [00:37:10] lies about E-20 that Indian farmers are suffering, [00:37:14] this and that is happening, so when he started spreading [00:37:18] lies about E-20, the Bombay High Court also says that any [00:37:21] post spreading lies about E-20 should be restricted. [00:37:25] So leave the company aside, at least respect the High Court. [00:37:29] Speak. Now [00:37:32] I'll show you an example. I posted something. You showed [00:37:35] your X account, I'll show you my X account too. I posted something [00:37:39] about Chanda Chor. This, this [00:37:42] X account gave me [00:37:45] this. My post was restricted. I also got a notice, this is the so called [00:37:49] notice that came to me like three days ago and I [00:37:53] only posted about Chanda Chor on my X account. [00:37:56] So this way, here people's words are being suppressed, [00:38:00] the truth is the truth. Until today, [00:38:03] social ji, such notices, such notices come to me every [00:38:07] week. First of all, I haven't seen your tweet, one minute, I haven't seen your tweet, [00:38:11] your notice, but such notices, at least [00:38:14] I get them every week. Many times, because someone [00:38:18] complains about it, it clearly says that this is not for legal [00:38:22] action, but it's a complaint. I don't know what notice you are talking about. I don't know what [00:38:26] your tweet was without seeing it, but if you say so, I have read my tweet [00:38:29] aloud, so if your tweet was in front of me, I would talk about it. [00:38:33] But this is the problem, I am saying, and if there is a problem, it should be solved, right? [00:38:37] Exactly, why should your unnecessary [00:38:41] things be stopped, I am saying, absolutely. And yes, if someone [00:38:44] is spreading lies, then it should definitely happen. How can we allow someone to spread lies [00:38:48] and make fake videos on social media and take money [00:38:52] from anywhere, from China, and then boost [00:38:55] it? Why should we allow this? That there is a loss [00:38:59] to Indian farmers in E-20, Indian farmers are being robbed of this, which has no basis, [00:39:03] someone posts such a post, video, and then gets it boosted by paying money, [00:39:07] why? Why? It should not be done, no, this should not be allowed. [00:39:10] Charu ji, speak, then I will come to Suresh ji and Nirva ji. [00:39:13] When we, one minute, wait, one minute, Charu ji, I, I [00:39:16] need to answer this, one minute, I am coming, one minute, I am coming. [00:39:20] Ashok ji, you have given a very correct example, [00:39:24] and it has become very easy, anyone with a mobile [00:39:28] in one hand can use free AI tools [00:39:31] to make any kind of fake video about anyone nowadays, [00:39:35] and boosts this video so much by paying money [00:39:38] that everyone does not [00:39:41] have enough understanding to go and check if it has an AI mark [00:39:45] or not. Now, even a minister like Nitin Gadkari [00:39:48] had to go to court [00:39:51] and show that so much falsehood [00:39:55] and propaganda is being spread, which needs to be stopped, [00:39:59] because if it is not stopped, then foreigners are benefiting [00:40:02] from the loss of our country, and you have given the example of E-20 [00:40:05] correctly. So this is what happened, [00:40:09] today, the spokespersons who are not updated enough, [00:40:13] should know that injunctions have been placed on talking [00:40:16] about such things and also on posting such things. [00:40:20] So how did such a legal provision come about? [00:40:23] Because a law was brought and in that law [00:40:27] you clearly told our government that we are [00:40:30] intermediaries, we do not make decisions, the people [00:40:33] who post above us, they are the decision-makers. So the people [00:40:37] who post, yes, it's you and us. Now they have agreed that they [00:40:41] are working as publishers, because look, they are not explaining [00:40:45] to us how the algorithm is set, they are not explaining to us what we are seeing, [00:40:48] they are not explaining to us how much money they are earning from our viewing, [00:40:52] so ultimately, they have to take responsibility, right? [00:40:56] They have to take it, this is a very selective and political way of looking [00:41:00] at things. You are saying that [00:41:03] for seconds. I am saying, who gave the right [00:41:06] to remove anyone's video? If it's not [00:41:10] a lie, it's not propaganda, it was just [00:41:13] a message, brother, if you are blocking even a message, then [00:41:17] it means you are trying to play some political game, [00:41:20] absolutely, you are censoring, and the law of this country does not give [00:41:24] you the right to censor. Suresh ji, I will come to your point. [00:41:40] regarding or in India, wait one minute, [00:41:43] wait one minute, I will come, brother, there are two more guests, I am coming to you. Yes, [00:41:47] it's fine, isn't it? So the question is that many things happen [00:41:51] in the world, but suddenly an incident is amplified [00:41:54] so much that we feel that Muslims [00:41:58] are being greatly oppressed all over the world, right? It's too much [00:42:01] in Gaza, right? It's amplified like this. And [00:42:05] I have a tweet from OpIndia. When OpIndia tweeted about [00:42:09] the atrocities happening with Hindus and reported it, [00:42:13] Meta blocked this page. This [00:42:16] is Meta playing games. [00:42:19] So the question is, and another thing is that if you [00:42:23] write terrorist or just terrorist on YouTube, [00:42:27] or on Instagram or other platforms, immediately [00:42:29] a strike comes, immediately that video, [00:42:33] you can't write terrorist. On the platform where you can't [00:42:37] write terrorist, on that platform, [00:42:40] videos full of abuses for the Prime Minister of India and his late mother [00:42:44] were uploaded, and that video was not stopped. [00:42:47] If you say the word 'ha ha', that word [00:42:50] gets punched, that word does not come, but such vulgar abuses [00:42:54] for the Prime Minister's mother, they are running, [00:42:57] so is this just a game of money or is there an ideological war [00:43:01] against India? You have asked a very good question, so the question [00:43:05] you asked, there is a money matter, but there is also an ideological game. [00:43:08] Today, if you look at the senior leadership of Meta and Instagram [00:43:12] in India, Instagram's Public Policy is led [00:43:15] by Natasha Jog. Now, those who follow the media [00:43:19] would know that seven years ago, Natasha [00:43:23] Jog was the same journalist who ran anti-Hindu [00:43:26] programs in NDTV [00:43:29] with leftist journalist Prannoy Roy. Now, if you [00:43:32] go to their other [00:43:36] senior leadership, there is Aman Jain. [00:43:39] Aman Jain was an advisor to the Congress [00:43:43] Minister of Youth Affairs and [00:43:46] Sports. And in their senior leadership, [00:43:49] Shashank Shah was also [00:43:52] a fellow of Congress Minister Ashwini Kumar. [00:43:56] So people of a particular ideology are hired. Priyanka Rao Khan, [00:44:00] who was removed about six months ago, was also [00:44:03] associated with Congress. And this is not [00:44:06] today's thing or current leadership, their leadership is consistently [00:44:10] coming from Meta. And now Ashwini ji, [00:44:14] sorry, Sanjeev ji was talking, and Sanjeev ji was telling the history [00:44:17] of social media. Sanjeev ji, perhaps you might have forgotten [00:44:21] that on August 24, [00:44:23] 2012, [00:44:26] 12 accounts were blocked by Manmohan Singh's government, [00:44:30] Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's government, in which [00:44:33] the accounts of two [00:44:35] journalists, Shiv Aroor and Kanchan Gupta ji, were also blocked by your order, [00:44:39] and here is the copy of that order. Now you, [00:44:43] you are telling history, so you have forgotten a lot. In 2018, [00:44:46] Cambridge Analytica, an American company, on which [00:44:50] action was later taken in America, in Cambridge [00:44:53] Analytica's office, there was a poster with the Congress symbol. [00:44:57] Congress had given them a contract of 800 crores. [00:45:00] So to run this whispering campaign [00:45:04] in America, they were found guilty, the company had to shut down. [00:45:08] Later they started a new company, Emerdata. [00:45:10] And now let's come to the Aam Aadmi Party people, what madam [00:45:14] was saying that Kejriwal ji posted this morning, Kejriwal ji did not [00:45:17] say what post of his was restricted this morning. [00:45:21] If you support Pakistan, if you support Khalistanis, [00:45:25] that post can be restricted. Everyone's some post [00:45:29] gets restricted. Kejriwal ji just said that my monetization is on, this is on, [00:45:33] this is on, he did not say which post was restricted. Okay, one minute, one minute, you move [00:45:37] forward, it's a very interesting point, because I was watching Kejriwal ji, below that, [00:45:40] I was seeing some comments, one minute. Kejriwal ji said, if this happens to you [00:45:44] too, DM me. So people reminded him that, brother, you have turned off your DMs. [00:45:48] So, how much do you support freedom of expression [00:45:52] that you keep your DMs turned off? Then you tell the public that if this happens to you too, DM me. [00:45:56] Brother, where should they DM, please tell that too. Now let's talk about the technical [00:45:59] point here, that the algorithm-based [00:46:02] content distribution system, these companies like Meta [00:46:06] declare their corporate decisions as technical errors and make money [00:46:09] from them, run their ideology, and then remove them by calling them technical [00:46:13] errors, and get away with it. It's just a technical error. I have [00:46:16] some seven-eight questions for Meta, if they answer them, or if their supporters, [00:46:20] the Congress gentlemen, answer them, then with your permission, I will ask them those seven-eight questions. [00:46:24] And one minute, please, please, I just went to a guest. [00:46:27] Sanjeev, [00:46:28] Sanjeev, this is a bigger [00:46:32] debate than a political debate, ji. The statement about algorithm-based content distribution [00:46:36] is not my words, Meta's whistleblower, [00:46:40] Kelly Stoneflake, said this on TV [00:46:43] yesterday, I am not saying this. These are Kelly Stoneflake's [00:46:47] words. So, if Meta can clarify [00:46:50] this, it would be very good. He said that this is done by the algorithm, [00:46:54] not what you want to see, but what we want to show. One [00:46:58] minute, one minute, Sanjeev Kaushik, one minute, I, I want to go to Nirva ji. [00:47:02] Nirva ji, please also come on this topic, but before that, you people [00:47:05] have done a great injustice, you are sending your reporters to snoop around [00:47:09] in people's bungalows, that's a very wrong thing. [00:47:13] Who pays 12 lakhs? Who lives in a 12 lakh [00:47:16] bungalow? Who lives next to Pawan Munjal? [00:47:20] You are, this exposure, this is an infringement of people's privacy, [00:47:24] brother. Why should you come and snoop around in my house, my bungalow, [00:47:28] if I pay 12 lakhs, 25 lakhs? No, look, it's [00:47:32] like this, you are a public figure. When you [00:47:35] demand accountability from someone, then you should also be in a [00:47:38] position to answer when accountability is demanded from you. And also, [00:47:42] the one who calls himself an RTI activist, yes, he is an RTI activist, [00:47:46] a legal journalist, so brother, questions will be raised because you have also [00:47:49] raised questions on people. You are a public figure. [00:48:22] But we will not back down. We stand by our story. We stand by the [00:48:25] journalist. And in this, you have also supported us a lot. [00:48:29] So thank you for that, for the support, for the moral support. [00:48:33] But we are not backing out. I say this, [00:48:36] Nirva ji, I repeatedly say that journalists of the country should come under the purview [00:48:40] of the RTI Act. Those who ask for RTI from others, I say that journalists should also [00:48:44] publicly declare their assets. And Saurav Das ji, I am ready, [00:48:48] now you come, let's both go to the Press Club, declare our respective assets, [00:48:51] our respective [00:49:22] But okay, I have to go to a break, before that, Nirva ji, in brief, [00:49:26] this whole fight, which is algorithm-based, because you people [00:49:29] are also on the platform, you people are also on social media platforms, do you think [00:49:33] because I remember very well that in the 2024 elections, many [00:49:36] YouTubers had said, who were of a certain kind [00:49:39] of YouTubers, they had said that our [00:49:43] entire content is being suppressed, we are not being allowed to grow [00:49:47] throughout the election. This is what Jaipur [00:49:50] Dialogues, Ajit Bharti, there are many such [00:49:54] people who say that our posts were suppressed. Do you also [00:49:58] feel that this happens? Voice, [00:50:01] give voice, brother, voice. Yes, sorry, speak. Yes, it happens, [00:50:05] absolutely. And it also happens that some content [00:50:08] is amplified. Okay. For example, if [00:50:12] Jaipur Dialogues, Ajit Bharti, if their content is being suppressed, [00:50:15] then recently, during the riots and protests in Chantar, [00:50:19] a kind of content was being pushed to make you feel [00:50:22] that this protest is all organic, [00:50:25] these are genuine students who are going to protest, [00:50:29] whereas it is clearly visible that these are political [00:50:33] activists, more than 50% there are political activists, [00:50:36] from political parties, student union people are sitting. [00:50:40] So this student union, that doesn't make them the [00:50:43] genuine student concerns. They had come there only to do their politics, [00:50:47] which they did, eventually the riots happened. [00:50:51] Now these very people, [00:51:22] Jharkhand content is not coming on your timeline. [00:51:25] While scrolling through your Instagram, did you see students from Jharkhand? [00:51:29] We have to push the बात of students from Jharkhand. We make 10 videos, [00:51:33] we do 10 programs, videos, then out of them, one [00:51:37] gets a little bit of traction. But anyway, it's good that the country is now talking about it. [00:51:40] Whether they push it or not, [00:51:44] but still, understand. I am taking a short break. After the break, [00:51:48] Sanjeev and Vandana ji, I am coming to you, Charu ji, after the break. [00:51:51] Cheap [00:51:56] lentils, spices, taste was bad. [00:51:59] MDH turmeric, chili, coriander work wonders. This gives [00:52:03] color, this gives fragrance. Did you see, is this less? [00:52:06] Unique MDH [00:52:08] masala. 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In the third [00:53:08] term of the current government, that is, from October [00:53:10] 2024 till now, approximately [00:53:13] 42,500 youth have got government jobs. [00:53:17] Even a child from a poor family is getting [00:53:20] a job in the Haryana government today without any [00:53:24] recommendation or bribe. The government has organized [00:53:27] more than 3,000 job fairs, through which approximately [00:53:31] 12,000 youth have received employment opportunities [00:53:34] and support. The Haryana government [00:53:37] is a government that lives up to expectations. [00:54:39] Okay, you are watching Do Took. We are discussing in Do Took, Jantar Mantar's fair [00:54:42] or algorithm's game? Because Meta has accepted [00:54:45] that the videos abusing the Prime Minister that were coming on your social [00:54:49] media handles, on Instagram, on your WhatsApp, [00:54:53] the one-sided videos that were coming in the Jantar Mantar protest, all of them were boosted [00:54:57] by taking money. Now the question is, who paid [00:55:00] this money? Sanjeev Kaushik, the government [00:55:04] सरकार [00:55:16] should know who paid the money, Ashok ji, [00:55:19] as was the feeling, so was the image seen by the Lord. [00:55:22] I am just saying that the government should be given four slaps [00:55:26] and asked who are these people posting, [00:55:29] we who are of the country. are abusing the Prime Minister, [00:55:33] we are abusing the opposition of the country. As Congress does, [00:55:37] as Congress does, that something against Rahul Gandhi, I [00:55:41] am asking this, I exactly, I one minute, one minute, I completely, I [00:55:45] am with you and today I BJP, one minute, one minute, one minute, take my question, [00:55:48] oh, take my question, I am with you, [00:55:52] absolutely this should be done, one should ask with a slap, [00:55:55] as it happens in Congress, now in Karnataka, as soon as a video [00:55:59] against Rahul Gandhi was uploaded on Instagram, an FIR was immediately filed and they said [00:56:03] to drag him to the police station, so absolutely. [00:56:35] If a minister follows such people who talk about breaking society, [00:56:39] who talk about abusing, then who is talking about breaking society, on what basis will you [00:56:42] decide this, I will tell you I am, oh, on what basis will you decide [00:56:46] this, listen to me, listen to me, one minute, one minute, listen, listen, listen, [00:56:50] one minute, one minute, I am asking you an example, I am asking [00:56:53] you an example, I don't know if you follow Saurav Das or not, [00:56:57] but I think today big people of this country follow [00:57:01] him and Saurav Das is, he was giving a statement [00:57:05] against the statement of the Chief of Army Staff of India, saying that one should not speak against Pakistan, [00:57:08] now is this breaking the country or not, should Saurav Das be followed? [00:57:12] Should everyone who follows [00:57:15] him be put in jail, Ashok ji, if this बात [00:57:19] is decided by the government of the country [00:57:23] and the representatives of the government of the country go and compromise [00:57:26] with the representatives sitting on Jantar Mantar, [00:57:30] then at least there should be enough honesty [00:57:33] that what they are saying, what agreement they are saying, [00:57:36] what they are saying in front of the media, it should be implemented, [00:57:40] from that as they are talking, [00:57:44] what all things happened, what? [00:57:49] Meaning, the criminals should be released, right? [00:57:52] The criminals should be released, [00:57:55] right? I want to say something, I am coming, I am coming, [00:57:58] you mean to say that criminals should be released, right? You don't care [00:58:02] about what he says, it doesn't matter at all, no, no, why should criminals be released, [00:58:06] one minute, for your information, let me tell you, one minute, for your information, let me tell you, [00:58:10] even if the government releases them, one minute, one minute, listen, Sanjeev ji, one minute, [00:58:14] Sanjeev ji, one minute, this was not my debate topic today, but you want to say, I [00:58:17] want to say and then go to Vandana ji and then Charu ji, I want to say something very quickly, [00:58:21] they will forget those words, say it, say it, good, say it, say it, [00:58:25] they are saying that talk of creating division in society, this word [00:58:29] was used by Sanjeev ji just now, I want [00:58:32] to remind him that these are the people [00:58:35] who are not dividing society but were standing [00:58:41] who supported the division of the country, we have heard it and the people of the country have also [00:58:45] heard it, one minute, one minute [00:58:54] I will give you a chance, first to Vandana ji, see, it is like this, the party whose national president says that the Prime Minister of India [00:58:57] Narendra Modi is a terrorist, then should the formula given by Sanjeev ji [00:59:01] that by slapping him, should that formula be applied to him, you people decide [00:59:05] that, I don't have that much authority, I cannot say such a thing about the national president of Congress, [00:59:09] but the party whose national president says that Narendra [00:59:13] Modi is a terrorist and if you see an RSS person, [00:59:16] first beat him up, leave you, then if this is not a statement [00:59:19] inciting the country, breaking the country, spreading riots in the country, then what else can it be, [00:59:23] Sanjeev [00:59:25] tell [00:59:33] ji, to suppress the opposition, send ED, put them in jail on false [00:59:37] charges, then it's fine, it's fine, when there were more than two and a half [00:59:40] lakh students in the protest, [00:59:44] were they also on social media, were they on social media, that picture [00:59:48] was created by AI, today today that same youth came and took the resignation [00:59:51] of Dharmendra Pradhan, so today Narendra Modi [00:59:55] ji understood, the Central Government understood that now [00:59:59] it is necessary to suppress the voice of social media as well, secondly, secondly, [01:00:03] let me make a point here [01:00:04] on [01:00:07] no, one minute, I want to ask Charu Pragya ji, now you are shouting and saying [01:00:11] that how the Prime Minister deleted it from there, I want [01:00:14] to ask you, for so many days there were videos [01:00:18] and fake deep fake videos of sir on the platform, why didn't the Central [01:00:21] Government raise its voice, answer, that's it, [01:00:24] stop it, Charu Pragya, no time, Charu Pragya [01:00:27] ji give Charu Pragya ji's voice [01:00:31] brother a little history