DDNEWS — Do Took
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[00:00:00] had moved ahead after breaking it, so the police had to
[00:00:03] disperse the crowd to protect the parliament,
[00:00:06] they had to resort to lathi charge. The police
[00:00:10] did a lathi charge, and in that, some innocent students
[00:00:13] also became its target, but
[00:00:17] on the other hand, the protesters or the wrong elements
[00:00:20] among the students pelted stones at the police,
[00:00:24] beat up the police,
[00:00:26] is amplified so much and severely injured the police.
[00:00:30] This story is a two-sided story, it is not a one-sided story, but
[00:00:34] remember and go back a little
[00:00:38] in flashback, you will understand
[00:00:42] picture of changing India that on the 20th, on the 20th, 21st, 22nd,
[00:00:44] all those videos, all those links,
[00:00:48] all those things were suddenly
[00:00:52] coming on your mobile phone that were proving
[00:00:56] that what happened at Jantar Mantar, what happened outside the parliament,
[00:01:00] in that, only students were beaten up,
[00:01:03] and the protesters did nothing,
[00:01:07] they were very simple and very innocent people,
[00:01:10] this must have happened to you, but after four or
[00:01:14] five days, videos from both sides started coming
[00:01:18] in public, from both sides, in which it was also there that students
[00:01:22] were also beating, on the other side, we were also seeing that
[00:01:26] on the other side, the protesters were pelting stones at the police,
[00:01:29] breaking police cars, they were breaking
[00:01:33] the red lights that were installed, the CCTV cameras that were installed,
[00:01:36] and taking them home, this was also there, you saw both pictures
[00:01:40] after four-five days, and along with that,
[00:01:43] the videos of abusing
[00:01:47] that if someone posts such things Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the vulgar
[00:01:49] and obscene videos that you probably would never want to watch
[00:01:53] at home, were suddenly popping up on your social
[00:01:57] media handles. Suddenly they were
[00:02:00] popping up, and then you must have felt
[00:02:04] that the entire Gen Z of the country
[00:02:08] has become abusive, the students
[00:02:11] are propagated in such a way, of the entire country have taken to the streets, and the police
[00:02:13] in the entire country have become the enemy of the students,
[00:02:17] you must have felt that way, but do you know, do you have
[00:02:21] any idea that there is
[00:02:24] actually a thing called algorithm, a monster called algorithm,
[00:02:28] which had hacked your mind at that time,
[00:02:32] yes, the algorithm had hacked your mind,
[00:02:35] you were continuously being shown
[00:02:38] one-sided, one kind of things, and by showing
[00:02:41] them, by showing them again and again, your mind was hacked,
[00:02:45] and again I am saying, I am not saying this,
[00:02:49] the companies running these social media handles have
[00:02:53] admitted this that
[00:02:55] actually what happened in India, from Jantar Mantar
[00:02:59] to abusing the Prime Minister, all this
[00:03:02] content, someone paid for this content,
[00:03:06] and these companies, the company Meta,
[00:03:10] it admitted, its officials admitted
[00:03:12] that they boosted all this content
[00:03:16] by taking money from some third party,
[00:03:20] and delivered it to your mobile phone.
[00:03:24] Now, how big is this game, and this game was caught
[00:03:27] because Meta itself,
[00:03:30] the same Meta that runs your WhatsApp,
[00:03:34] your Facebook and your Instagram
[00:03:38] and Threads, when that company named Meta
[00:03:41] restricted the social media post of the Prime
[00:03:45] Minister of India on Facebook,
[00:03:48] put a stop to it, then it was found out, "What is
[00:03:52] this happening?" On one hand, the Prime Minister's post
[00:03:56] in India, the Prime Minister of India's post is restricted,
[00:04:00] it is stopped, on the other hand, posts abusing the Prime Minister,
[00:04:03] for people's voices, posts saying obscene things to them, are
[00:04:07] boosted by taking money,
[00:04:09] women power, and when the PM's post was stopped,
[00:04:12] after that, the Indian government opened its eyes,
[00:04:15] their ears perked up, and Meta was called, Meta
[00:04:19] was summoned, and Meta
[00:04:23] has apologized to Prime Minister Narendra Modi,
[00:04:26] but for the past two days, in India,
[00:04:30] the parliamentary committee of the IT sector, and
[00:04:34] apart from that, the IT
[00:04:36] ministry and the government are continuously in talks
[00:04:40] with Meta officials, and the news is
[00:04:43] that all the Meta officials who have come to India
[00:04:47] post was removed for a few minutes, have been given a dressing down,
[00:04:50] and they have admitted that they played this game
[00:04:54] in India, they played this game by taking
[00:04:58] money, so this question is before us,
[00:05:01] was Jantar Mantar really a student fair or
[00:05:05] was it an algorithm game?
[00:05:08] It is very important to raise this question sharply today because remember,
[00:05:12] before this, what happened in India, because India is a democratic country,
[00:05:16] but for the past five, six, seven years,
[00:05:19] social media companies in many countries of the world
[00:05:23] have launched their campaign of regime change,
[00:05:26] in many countries, regime change has happened
[00:05:29] only because social media
[00:05:33] amplified the entire campaign of regime change.
[00:05:36] What about
[00:05:39] India? Are these social media platforms
[00:05:43] trying to do the same? And will they try to do it in the coming
[00:05:46] days, or will the Indian government
[00:05:49] show these companies their place, and ensure
[00:05:52] that these companies do not dare to do
[00:05:56] any such work in India? Will the Indian
[00:05:59] government create a way for this? Will a Lakshman Rekha be drawn?
[00:06:02] Will these unrestrained companies be reined
[00:06:06] in? Today, all these questions are before us, we will discuss all these
[00:06:10] questions sharply. Was Jantar Mantar
[00:06:12] a fair or an algorithm
[00:06:36] This victory is for the Constitution of India. This victory is for the
[00:06:39] Parliament of India, and it shows the strength of
[00:06:42] our Honorable Prime Minister who leads 140 crore people
[00:06:45] that anyone who wants to do business in India
[00:06:49] will have to follow the law of India. Why don't they summon
[00:06:53] Meta when our leaders are shadow-banned and absurd things
[00:06:57] are spread against us? They summoned Meta
[00:07:01] for the Prime Minister. The rules are different for the Prime Minister
[00:07:04] and different for us.
[00:07:14] chairman, took a very strong stand and asked them to apologize,
[00:07:18] and along with that, we also expressed concern that anti-nationals
[00:07:23] and that is encouraged,
[00:07:26] we also expressed concern about that. So we are
[00:07:30] very happy that they have admitted their mistakes, and
[00:07:34] in the future, we will also get relief
[00:07:37] from the terrorist forces that are threatening
[00:07:41] our national security.
[00:08:59] you listen to all the statements, and let me inform you that in today's
[00:09:03] discussion, it has also been reported that the Meta company, the
[00:09:06] Meta team, has admitted that yes, there is some
[00:09:10] problem with their algorithm, they have accepted this. Now the news is coming
[00:09:14] that Meta officials will remain in India
[00:09:17] for some more days, and during this time, the Indian IT
[00:09:21] sector's secretaries will
[00:09:25] have continuous discussions with these companies.
[00:09:28] We will discuss all this. Five guests will be
[00:09:32] in today's debate. Let me introduce them. Charu Pragya has joined me.
[00:09:41] joined me. Sanjeev Kaushik has joined me. Sanjeev Kaushik
[00:09:45] is a political analyst and supporter of the Congress party. Vandana Sinha has joined me.
[00:09:49] She is the spokesperson of the Aam Aadmi Party. Nirva
[00:09:52] Mehta has joined me. She is the Editor-in-Chief of The
[00:09:56] Pamphlet. We will also discuss why The Pamphlet is in so much
[00:10:00] discussion these days. And Suresh
[00:10:03] Nakhwa ji is with me. He is a political analyst and
[00:10:06] Suresh Nakhwa ji is also an IT
[00:10:09] expert. Thank you all. Welcome. I am starting
[00:10:13] with Charu Pragya ji and Sanjeev Kaushik ji. I am giving you both
[00:10:17] one and a half minutes each, and after that, I will start today's discussion and
[00:10:21] move the debate forward. Charu Pragya ji, some people
[00:10:25] are saying that the government is trying to impose
[00:10:28] censorship, that by calling these companies and
[00:10:32] drilling down on these companies, the government is
[00:10:35] trying to control
[00:10:47] For a very long time, these big tech companies,
[00:10:51] these foreign tech companies, they earn money
[00:10:54] like publishers, but they hide
[00:10:57] behind calling themselves intermediaries,
[00:11:00] saying that they have no responsibility,
[00:11:04] it's the users, like you,
[00:11:08] like me, like Sanjeev ji, it's the users' responsibility
[00:11:11] what they post on their pages, but if these
[00:11:15] pages are posted on your platform and these
[00:11:18] pages contain criminal elements, these pages contain
[00:11:22] lies, these pages contain pornography, if
[00:11:26] these pages contain anything that can incite riots, that can spread
[00:11:29] lies, then these tech giants will also
[00:11:33] have to take responsibility, and that is why IT Rules
[00:11:36] were implemented in our country. At the time of implementing IT Rules, some things
[00:11:40] became clear. An officer of these companies will always
[00:11:44] be stationed in our country, if any problem arises,
[00:11:48] that post will be taken down within 24 hours,
[00:11:52] and this time also, the discussion is on big issues, Ashok
[00:11:55] ji, it will be in the national interest if it is not politicized, and I
[00:11:59] tell you how the biggest issue is
[00:12:03] child abuse material, child sexual abuse material, and
[00:12:06] our government asked questions about this. Our government said
[00:12:12] and pays your platform to amplify it, how can you
[00:12:15] amplify this content or show it to other people in an exaggerated
[00:12:19] way? It was asked that if you know a video has been made with AI
[00:12:23] that is false, that is a deepfake video, if you... do not regulate it and someone
[00:12:26] is spreading it among the public by paying money, then you cannot hide
[00:12:30] behind it. So who makes this algorithm?
[00:12:34] What do we consume? Who decides this, and
[00:12:38] where does its responsibility lie? This time, when
[00:12:41] we asked these tough questions, Meta came forward and
[00:12:45] apologized. This clearly shows that the path the government was
[00:12:48] on, the laws the government had made, were absolutely correct, and they
[00:12:52] should be this strict. Okay, I didn't stop
[00:12:55] you when your time was up because it was
[00:12:58] information. I was only talking about technical things, Ashok ji. About politics after
[00:13:02] this. Absolutely, absolutely. I didn't stop you because I felt
[00:13:05] that these are things that the public should understand, so I didn't stop this.
[00:13:09] And it's true, child pornography, the way it is boosted
[00:13:13] on platforms like Instagram, the way it is shown,
[00:13:17] that is not acceptable. There are many things,
[00:13:20] but Sanjeev Kaushik, see, these
[00:13:23] companies, there is a need to fix their accountability.
[00:13:27] Now Meta itself has admitted that certain types
[00:13:30] of content were boosted
[00:13:34] by taking money. So, in India,
[00:13:37] if you take money from anywhere, from any corner
[00:13:41] of the world, from Pakistan, from Turkey, from China, and
[00:13:45] if content of their
[00:13:48] choice is boosted in India, then regarding
[00:13:51] this, the step taken by the government, I think, everyone
[00:13:55] should support it, rising above their
[00:14:02] we are a sovereign nation, and if Meta
[00:14:06] deletes a video of our Prime Minister, even if it's only for five hours,
[00:14:09] it will have to answer for it,
[00:14:12] and the Indian government will grab it by the collar
[00:14:16] and forcefully pull it and also question
[00:14:19] it, "How dare you delete the video of the Prime Minister
[00:14:23] of the country?" But let's move beyond this,
[00:14:26] let's start from when social media was emerging.
[00:14:30] You will have to talk about its emergence to its destruction.
[00:14:33] Something starts in 2004, then after 2010,
[00:14:37] Facebook, Twitter and something else starts, and after 2014,
[00:14:41] all this havoc starts. You tell us
[00:14:44] whether the country's government is so incompetent that it cannot
[00:14:47] determine that the person on social media is abusing someone else,
[00:14:51] speaking ill of someone else. Does the government have
[00:15:25] around 50 crore active social media users in India?
[00:15:28] Is there any verification of this, or does the Indian
[00:15:32] government have any data on how many people are fake and how many
[00:15:35] are genuinely using their original IDs?
[00:15:39] The government has deliberately created a very large army
[00:15:42] of such fake people who seemed to be overpowering the opposition parties.
[00:15:46] For the last 10-12 years, wasn't there an attempt
[00:15:49] to create a caucus against the opposition parties
[00:15:53] and defame them or discredit them? Did anyone ever think about it?
[00:15:56] Did anyone ever question it? And big
[00:16:00] ministers, the Prime Minister of the country, were seen following
[00:16:02] people who posted wrong, baseless
[00:16:06] things about big leaders of opposition parties
[00:16:09] on social media and were seen following
[00:16:12] them. So if there was sincerity,
[00:16:20] Okay. Okay, Charu Pragya, respond.
[00:16:24] First of all, I feel that
[00:16:28] the entire point of the debate is lost on the Congress spokesperson,
[00:16:31] I am so sorry. The truth is that I think Sanjeev ji
[00:16:35] did not understand some core things that I was explaining. See,
[00:16:39] first, you make a differentiation,
[00:16:43] a difference between surveillance and a tech giant telling
[00:16:46] us what you and I will watch, there is a big difference in that, and let's get back to the point,
[00:16:50] Ashok ji, and this time, please give me a little extra time
[00:16:54] to answer on politics as well. The issue is very big,
[00:16:57] and you understand this point that if there are
[00:17:01] going to be riots in our country, and someone has made
[00:17:04] a fake video for those riots using AI, using deepfake,
[00:17:19] a false video,
[00:17:22] Ashok ji, then is it just because I have money in my pocket and
[00:17:25] I can throw this money at Meta? Doesn't Meta have any responsibility
[00:17:29] in spreading this lie? Now, if our country burns
[00:17:32] as a result of this lie, then whose responsibility is it? Because if you take money,
[00:17:36] then you are not an intermediary. You are only an intermediary
[00:17:40] as long as you don't take money. The moment you start making decisions
[00:17:43] for us by taking money, you become a publisher. When
[00:17:47] you start censoring, you become a publisher. This
[00:17:51] is the first point. Second point, if you look at it away from
[00:17:54] political lenses, you will understand that the government has given such
[00:17:58] a big gift of safeguard to the public,
[00:18:02] until today. Now, coming to your political issues,
[00:18:06] you are talking about suppressing voices. Well,
[00:18:10] on one hand, your social media people sit and keep saying, "Look, our Rahul ji has
[00:18:14] so many likes, you don't get likes," then you don't understand this difference,
[00:18:17] then you show this comparison in a different, wrong way.
[00:18:21] And secondly, you also don't understand the difference
[00:18:25] that I will ask the same question again,
[00:18:29] what I watch on my Instagram, will I decide that
[00:18:32] or will the one who is paying Meta
[00:18:36] decide that and is making us consume wrong content?
[00:18:40] If today the youth of our country are consuming pornographic content
[00:18:43] because it has come before them through push marketing, if a
[00:18:47] child's photo has been morphed, and I am not talking about
[00:18:50] content only for adults, I am talking about children, because
[00:18:54] parental filters are not built in, then where does its responsibility
[00:18:58] lie? And if you want to get into politics, Sanjeev ji, then on such issues,
[00:19:02] what can I say to you? Okay, no, I exactly, listen, see, before
[00:19:05] this discussion goes further, I am a big... How dare anyone remove the Prime Minister's video?
[00:19:09] How can anyone else decide whether our Prime Minister's video
[00:19:19] we are not China, although today many people in India like
[00:19:23] China a lot, they give examples of China, but India is not China
[00:19:26] where all platforms are banned that you won't get newspapers,
[00:19:30] you won't get anything, whatever the government says will be here. Here, even on government TV,
[00:19:34] where they say, we allow mocking the government,
[00:19:38] so this is not China, first of all, that we ban
[00:19:42] it, but yes, the social media
[00:19:45] accounts, the social media companies, should be regulated,
[00:19:49] that should be done and the government has
[00:19:52] the responsibility because I am saying again, take a look,
[00:19:56] I will tell you my own example.
[00:20:05] telling you what happened to me. Look, I had
[00:20:08] tweeted. Look at the game these companies are playing.
[00:20:11] I had tweeted this four days,
[00:20:15] this, this a week ago. I had tweeted this,
[00:20:18] "You can mislead the youth by lying, by giving false speeches, by making fake
[00:20:22] reels that the police broke their own cars,
[00:20:25] but God is watching everything. CCTV cameras
[00:20:29] have exposed the CGP leaders who gave speeches and
[00:20:33] the fake reel makers." This is my tweet from last week.
[00:20:37] Do you know what its English translation was?
[00:20:40] Its translation was that the CGP who gave false speeches
[00:20:44] was changed to BJP. This happened with my tweet.
[00:20:47] Now you think that such a big game is being played
[00:20:50] with a journalist's tweet, the name of the person
[00:20:54] I am writing, his name is being changed, so you think
[00:20:58] what kind of dirty game these companies want to play
[00:21:01] in India, and let me also tell you, this deepfake,
[00:21:05] the 2024 election, half of the election
[00:21:08] was fought on a deepfake video of Amit Shah
[00:21:12] that Amit Shah said that he would abolish reservations,
[00:21:16] which was not true. That deepfake
[00:21:20] video was boosted on Instagram,
[00:21:23] on every social media handle, on WhatsApp,
[00:21:26] and more than half of the public in India felt that
[00:21:30] Amit Shah had said that our government, wait a minute, let me finish,
[00:21:34] our government will abolish reservations
[00:21:37] if it comes to power, and that affected the elections.
[00:21:40] So I am saying that it is important to draw
[00:21:43] a Lakshman Rekha for these companies, to fix their accountability.
[00:21:47] This is necessary, this is necessary to save the country.
[00:22:20] that after 2014, your government is in power, you should do it. Absolutely right, this question
[00:22:23] is valid, absolutely valid. I stand with you on this that what was happening
[00:22:27] since 2014, if the government has woken up late, then tighten their
[00:22:30] screws so much that they don't dare to do this
[00:22:34] in India again. Even Sanjeev Kaushik is saying this, so Charu ji, you should listen.
[00:22:38] Due to fear, due to any reason, well, listen,
[00:22:41] one minute, one minute, one minute, due to fear, one minute, Sanjeev Kaushik, listen,
[00:22:45] due to any reason, I am saying that they are doing it out of fear,
[00:22:48] how are they doing it? It's a good thing, isn't it? You yourself are supporting it, and your
[00:22:52] government and the Chief Minister of Kerala from Congress have also recently
[00:22:56] given a statement, he said, "I want social media to be controlled,
[00:23:00] social media cannot run like this," so your Chief Minister is also saying it,
[00:23:03] but the thing is that what you are saying, I hope so, but if
[00:23:07] big leaders of Congress, like you, bravely say that yes, they should be controlled,
[00:23:11] it is the government's responsibility, if some big leaders of Congress give such a statement,
[00:23:15] it would be very good. I will come to Vandana ji, after that, Suresh ji and Nirva ji, I will
[00:23:18] come to you. Vandana ji, do you also think that
[00:23:22] these social media companies are crossing the Lakshman Rekha,
[00:23:25] and that is why their screws should be tightened?
[00:23:29] See, Ashok ji, I feel
[00:23:31] that earlier our PM was
[00:23:35] managing the media, then he suddenly felt
[00:23:39] that media management alone would not work, because
[00:23:42] today's people, today's students, today's students, today's
[00:23:46] Gen Z, today's people are most active on social media.
[00:23:50] And such a big protest started on social media, so these
[00:23:54] talks about imposing restrictions on social media
[00:23:58] are just to make Modi ji's voice heard, perhaps
[00:24:01] that's his intention, because when his own
[00:24:05] post disappears for a few seconds, companies immediately come
[00:24:09] and apologize to him, but 140 crore people are raising their voices,
[00:24:12] but no one is paying attention to that. Now I will give you a very clear example.
[00:24:16] Arvind Kejriwal ji's account
[00:24:20] was restricted, okay? I can show you proof, and you must have seen
[00:24:24] it. It was restricted. Why? Because
[00:24:27] they raised their voice on E20, they raised their voice on paper
[00:24:31] leaks. So now it's about whether a foreign
[00:24:35] company will decide who will speak and who will not speak in a democratic
[00:24:39] company. So the central government is to blame for this, that a foreign
[00:24:42] company decides that the central government only wants to control
[00:24:46] the opposition because they know that social
[00:24:50] media has become an alternative
[00:24:53] so to suppress this, because until today,
[00:24:56] so many child materials
[00:25:00] were present on all these social media platforms,
[00:25:04] but no action was taken on them. Our daughters' photos
[00:25:08] were present on this platform, but no action was taken on them.
[00:25:12] There were so many deepfakes, but today, suddenly,
[00:25:15] today, suddenly, Ashok ji, a protest takes place
[00:25:18] where it is found that the entire protest, which the media did not show
[00:25:22] for a month, goes viral on social media. One minute, Vandana ji,
[00:25:26] one minute, I am stopping you a bit because I think
[00:25:29] some fact checks are necessary for you. Whatever political
[00:25:33] talk you want to do, do it, but some fact checks are necessary for you. First of all, you said
[00:25:37] controlling the media. I have been telling repeatedly, because Vandana ji,
[00:25:41] you have joined me for the first time today, so it is very important to correct
[00:25:44] your information. The best example of how Prime Minister Narendra Modi
[00:25:48] controls the media is Doordarshan,
[00:25:50] DD News. And how is that? You call it a government channel, right?
[00:25:54] So on this DD News, listen, the fact check is not complete yet.
[00:25:58] On this DD News, on this Doordarshan, before 2016, no one from the opposition
[00:26:02] was invited. Go and check. No
[00:26:05] leader from the opposition could come on DD News
[00:26:09] and give their opinion, could not criticize the government.
[00:26:12] But Modi ji controlled it in such a way that he said, "No, no, invite
[00:26:15] Aam Aadmi Party also, invite Congress also, and invite every
[00:26:19] political party, give them time to criticize the government."
[00:26:22] We are doing it bluntly. Apart from this, there are many programs on DD News, one
[00:26:26] fact check, okay. Second, one minute, one minute, one minute, second,
[00:26:30] second fact check. You have seen
[00:26:32] the High Court's decision today. Today's news is the Bombay High Court's
[00:26:36] decision. You have seen
[00:26:39] the Bombay High Court has said that all these objectionable
[00:26:42] posts regarding E20
[00:26:45] should be removed from social media. It is the Bombay High Court's
[00:26:48] decision. And on social media, as long as Arvind Kejriwal
[00:26:52] was writing about student issues, his post was not restricted.
[00:26:56] He was talking about E20. when they were spreading lies that
[00:26:59] this is happening to the farmers of India, that is happening, so when they started spreading
[00:27:03] lies about E-20, the Bombay High Court also says that
[00:27:07] whoever is spreading lies about E-20, their posts should be restricted,
[00:27:10] so leave the company, at least respect the High Court.
[00:27:20] I had posted something, you showed me your X account, I will show you my X account
[00:27:23] too. I had posted about fund theft.
[00:27:27] This, this my X account
[00:27:29] from this, they restricted me,
[00:27:33] I also received a notice. This is the so-called notice that came to me, like
[00:27:37] three days ago, and I had only posted about fund theft
[00:27:40] on my X account. So, in this way, here
[00:27:44] people's voices are being suppressed, the truth is being suppressed.
[00:27:48] Till date, Sandna ji, I get such notices
[00:27:52] every week. Firstly, I didn't see your tweet, one minute,
[00:27:55] I didn't see your tweet, I didn't see your notice, but I get such notices
[00:27:59] at least every week. Many times because someone complains
[00:28:03] about it, it clearly states that this is not for any legal action, but
[00:28:07] it is a complaint to you, so I don't know which notice you are talking about
[00:28:11] without seeing your tweet. But if you say so, I read
[00:28:14] out my tweet. So, if your tweet was in front of me,
[00:28:18] I would talk about it, but this is the problem, I am saying it is a problem,
[00:28:22] so it should be solved, right? Exactly, why should your
[00:28:25] posts be stopped? I am saying absolutely. And yes, if someone
[00:28:29] is spreading lies, then it should definitely happen. How can we let
[00:28:32] someone spread lies and make fake videos and dance on social media,
[00:28:36] and take money from anywhere, take it from China, and then
[00:28:40] boost it? Why should we allow this?
[00:28:43] In E20, the farmers of India are losing money, the farmers of India
[00:28:47] are being deprived of this, for which there are no facts. Someone posts such a post, uploads a video, and
[00:28:51] then boosts it by paying money. Why? Why shouldn't
[00:29:06] Ashok ji, you have taken a very correct example, and it has become very
[00:29:10] easy for anyone who has a mobile phone in their hand
[00:29:14] to use free AI tools to create any kind of fake video
[00:29:17] about anyone nowadays,
[00:29:20] and they spread this video so much by paying money
[00:29:24] that not everyone has
[00:29:27] enough understanding to go and check if it has
[00:29:31] an AI mark or not. Now, even a minister like Nitin Gadkari ji
[00:29:34] had to go to court and show that so much
[00:29:38] falsehood is being spread, propaganda is being spread,
[00:29:42] which needs to be stopped, because if it is not stopped,
[00:29:45] then foreigners are benefiting from the loss of our country,
[00:29:49] and you have correctly taken the example of E-20. So this is what happened.
[00:29:53] Today, those spokespersons who are
[00:29:56] not so updated should know that there is an injunction
[00:30:00] against making such statements
[00:30:02] and posting such things. So where did such
[00:30:06] a legal provision come from? Because a law was brought,
[00:30:10] and in that law, you clearly said
[00:30:13] to our government, we are intermediaries,
[00:30:16] we don't make decisions, the people who post on our
[00:30:20] platform are the decision-makers, so we are the ones who post. Now
[00:30:23] they have agreed that they are working as publishers,
[00:30:27] because see, they don't explain how the algorithm is set up
[00:30:31] to us. They don't explain what we are seeing,
[00:30:34] they don't explain how much money they are earning from our viewing,
[00:30:38] so ultimately, they will have to take responsibility, right?
[00:30:42] They will have to. Well, this is a very selective and politically biased thing to look at.
[00:30:46] You are saying that Modi ji's
[00:30:49] for a few seconds. I am asking, who gave the right
[00:30:53] to remove anyone's video, if it is not false,
[00:30:57] it is not propaganda? If you are blocking
[00:30:59] a message legally, then it means
[00:31:03] you are trying to play a political game. Absolutely,
[00:31:07] you are censoring, and the laws of this country do not
[00:31:10] give you the right to censor. Okay, I am coming to you, Suresh ji, with one point.
[00:31:14] See,
[00:31:36] I'm coming to you, yes, okay, so the question is that many things happen in the world, but suddenly an incident
[00:31:41] that we feel that there is a great injustice happening
[00:31:45] to humanity all over the world, okay? In Gaza, it is extreme, okay?
[00:31:49] It is amplified in such a way, and I have a tweet from OpIndia.
[00:31:53] When OpIndia posted this tweet about the atrocities against Hindus,
[00:31:57] and when it reported this, Meta blocked this page.
[00:32:01] This, this, this, this is Meta playing games. So the question
[00:32:04] is, and the second thing is that if you
[00:32:08] write on YouTube, I mean on YouTube or
[00:32:11] Instagram, other platforms, if you write
[00:32:15] "terrorist", you immediately get a strike, immediately that
[00:32:19] video, you cannot write "terrorist". On the platform where you cannot
[00:32:23] write "terrorist", on that platform,
[00:32:26] videos were uploaded, full of abuses against the Prime Minister of India,
[00:32:30] against his late mother, and that video is not stopped.
[00:32:33] You say "Ha Shabd Ha Ra", that gets
[00:32:36] punched, that word doesn't come, but such vulgar abuses
[00:32:40] against the Prime Minister's mother, that goes viral. So is this just a game of money,
[00:32:44] or is there an ideological war against India?
[00:32:47] You have asked a very good question, so the
[00:32:50] question you asked, it is a matter of money as well, but it is also a game of ideology.
[00:32:54] Today, if you look at the senior leadership of Meta
[00:32:58] Instagram in India, the public policy of Instagram
[00:33:01] is led by Natasha Jog. Now, those who
[00:33:05] follow the media would know that seven years ago, Natasha
[00:33:09] Jog was the same journalist who used to run
[00:33:13] anti-Hindu programs in Pranoy Roy's NDTV,
[00:33:16] a left-wing journalist. Now, if you look at
[00:33:20] their other senior leadership, there is
[00:33:24] Aman Jain. Now, Aman
[00:33:27] Jain was an advisor to the Congress Minister
[00:33:30] of Youth Affairs and Sports,
[00:33:33] and in their senior leadership, Shashank
[00:33:37] Shah was also a fellow
[00:33:40] of Congress Minister Ashwani Kumar. So, people with a certain ideology
[00:33:44] are kept. Priyanka Rao Khan, who was removed about six months
[00:33:47] ago, was also associated with Congress.
[00:33:50] And this is not recent; this is not the current leadership.
[00:33:54] Consistently, their leadership has been like this at Meta.
[00:33:57] And now, Ashwini
[00:34:01] ji, sorry, Sanjeev ji, what he was talking about, and Sanjeev ji was
[00:34:05] narrating the history of social media. Sanjeev ji, perhaps you might have forgotten
[00:34:08] that on August 24, 2012,
[00:34:12] 12 accounts were blocked by the Manmohan Singh government,
[00:34:16] by the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh government, which included the accounts
[00:34:19] of two journalists, Shivroor and
[00:34:23] Kanchan Gupta, which you ordered to be blocked. And this is the
[00:34:26] copy of that order. Now, let's come to the history you were narrating; you
[00:34:30] forgot a lot. In 2018,
[00:34:33] company, which was later prosecuted
[00:34:37] in America, a poster with the Congress
[00:34:40] symbol was found in the office of Cambridge Analytica.
[00:34:43] It was given an 800-crore contract.
[00:34:47] So, for running a whispering campaign
[00:34:50] and a similar campaign in America, it was found guilty and had
[00:34:54] to close down its company. Later, it started a new company, EmerData.
[00:34:58] And now, let's come to the Aam Aadmi Party people, what Madam
[00:35:02] was saying that Kejriwal ji posted this morning. Kejriwal ji did not
[00:35:05] mention which post of his was restricted this morning. If you
[00:35:09] support Pakistan, if you support Khalistanis, that post can be restricted.
[00:35:13] Everyone has some post restricted. Kejriwal ji only said
[00:35:17] that my monetization is on, this is on, this is on. He did not say which post
[00:35:21] was restricted. Okay, one minute, one minute, you continued, it's very interesting, because
[00:35:24] I was reading some comments below Kejriwal ji's post, one minute.
[00:35:28] Kejriwal ji said, "If something like this happens to you, DM me." So people reminded
[00:35:32] him that "Sir, you have closed your DMs." So, how much
[00:35:36] do you advocate freedom of expression that you keep your DMs closed? Then you
[00:35:40] tell the public, "If something like this happens to you, DM me." Brother, where should we DM,
[00:35:43] please tell us that too. Let's come to a technical point here, that
[00:35:47] the algorithm-based content distribution system
[00:35:50] allows companies like Meta to make money by calling corporate
[00:35:54] decisions a technical error, spread ideology, and
[00:35:57] then escape by calling it a technical error. It's
[00:36:01] a technical error. I have some seven or eight questions for Meta. If they answer them, or if the Congress
[00:36:05] supporters answer them, then allow me, and I will
[00:36:08] ask them those seven or eight questions. And this technical, one second,
[00:36:12] one second, to the guest.
[00:36:27] Whistleblower Kelly Stonefleet said this on TV yesterday,
[00:36:31] I am not saying this, these words are Kelly Stonefleet's. So
[00:36:34] if Meta gives clarification on this, it would be very good. Yes, he said that
[00:36:38] this is done. The algorithm shows not what you want to see, but what
[00:36:42] we want to show. One minute, one minute, Sanjeev Kaushik, one minute, I want
[00:36:46] to go to Nirva ji. Nirva ji, please also come on this topic, but before
[00:36:50] that, you people have done a big wrong. You are sending
[00:36:53] your reporters to snoop around in people's bungalows. It's very wrong.
[00:37:57] because questions will be raised and we will not keep quiet.
[00:38:00] We are not backing out even with legal notices.
[00:38:04] I always say, Nirva ji, I always say that journalists
[00:38:07] of the country should come under the purview of the RTI Act, which is what others
[00:38:11] do. I say that journalists should also publicly declare their assets,
[00:38:15] and Saurabh Das ji, I am ready. You come, let's go
[00:38:18] to the Press Club together and publicly declare our assets, our income,
[00:38:22] everything, our public assets.
[00:38:25] For 32
[00:38:33] years in journalism, I am ready to put my public assets, every
[00:38:37] debt, my property, my car, my bungalow, everything
[00:38:40] in the public domain. Come,
[00:38:44] you also come, Saurabh Das ji, you also come, and it will be very good if Abhijit
[00:38:48] and Deepak are also with you, because we are talking about transparency,
[00:38:51] so everyone has to be transparent. But okay, I have to go to a break, but before that,
[00:38:55] Nirva ji, in brief, this whole fight, which is algorithm-based,
[00:38:59] because you people are also on the platform,
[00:39:05] YouTubers said, those who were a particular
[00:39:09] type of YouTubers, they said that our entire content was
[00:39:13] pressed, it felt like we were not allowed to grow, throughout
[00:39:17] the elections, like Jaipur Dialogue,
[00:39:20] Ajit Bharti, there are many
[00:39:24] such people who say that their posts were
[00:39:28] suppressed. Do you also feel that this
[00:39:29] happens?
[00:39:32] Voice, please give voice. Yes. Sorry, speak. Yes, it happens,
[00:39:36] absolutely. And it also happens that some content
[00:39:39] is amplified. Okay, so if the content
[00:39:43] of Ajit Party from Jaipur Dialogue is being suppressed, then
[00:39:47] if now, the recent riots, the protests in January, then in that
[00:39:51] a certain kind of content was being pushed to make you feel that
[00:39:55] this protest is all organic, these are genuine
[00:39:58] students who are going to protest, whereas it is clearly
[00:40:02] evident that these are political activists, more than 50%
[00:40:05] there are political activists, from political parties,
[00:40:09] student union people are sitting. So these are student unions,
[00:40:13] that doesn't make them the genuine student concerns. They
[00:40:17] had come there to do their politics, which they did,
[00:40:21] eventually the riots happened. Now these same people are also going to Jharkhand,
[00:40:24] such was the call today that on 6th and 7th, we will go
[00:40:28] to the assembly, whereas the student organizations there
[00:40:32] are currently protesting, they had said that they are going on June
[00:40:40] their protest, which has been going on for 20-25 days,
[00:40:44] so non-violently, so politely? Their protest
[00:40:48] is going on, why do you have to go there and hijack
[00:40:51] the protest? And this content from Jharkhand is not coming on your
[00:40:55] timeline. We?
[00:40:57] While scrolling through Instagram, did you see students from Jharkhand?
[00:41:01] We have to push the बात of Jharkhand students. We do 10 videos,
[00:41:05] we do 10 programs, videos, then out of them, one
[00:41:09] gets a little bit of traction. But okay, the country has started
[00:41:12] talking about it, which is good. Whether they push it or
[00:41:16] not, still, let's take a small break. After the break, Sanjeev and
[00:41:19] Vandana ji, I am coming to you, Charu ji, after the break.
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[00:42:32] Okay,
[00:42:36] you are watching "Do Tuk". In "Do Tuk", we are discussing the Jantar Mantar fair,
[00:42:40] the algorithm's game, because Meta has accepted
[00:42:43] that the videos abusing the Prime Minister that were coming on your social
[00:42:46] media handles, on Instagram, on your
[00:42:49] WhatsApp, the one-sided videos that were coming in the Jantar Mantar protest,
[00:42:53] all of them were boosted by paying money.
[00:42:57] Now the question is, who paid this money? Sanjeev
[00:43:00] Kaushik, the government should ask this, right, and bring it to light,
[00:43:04] right, that who paid this money, who are the people
[00:43:08] who were funding this? When the company is admitting
[00:43:10] that these things were boosted by paying them money, then the government should know
[00:43:14] who paid the money.
[00:43:22] us why such posts, such writers
[00:43:26] against the government on social media have appeared,
[00:43:29] you are asking us questions. You should ask the opposition
[00:43:33] parties. You should
[00:43:35] slap the government four times and ask
[00:43:39] who are these people who are posting these things?
[00:43:42] Who are abusing the Prime Minister of the country,
[00:43:45] who are abusing the opposition of the country? Just like Congress does,
[00:43:48] right? Just like Congress does, right? That on Rahul Gandhi,
[00:43:52] something... I am asking this. Exactly, I, one minute,
[00:43:56] one minute, I am absolutely with you, and I am today,
[00:43:59] one minute, one minute, one minute, please take my question. Oh, please
[00:44:02] take my question. I am with you, absolutely, this is what
[00:44:06] should be done. They should be slapped and asked, just like they do in Congress. No,
[00:45:10] they don't, but I think today big people in this country follow
[00:45:13] him, and Saurabh Das was twisting the statement
[00:45:17] of the Indian Army chief, saying that he shouldn't speak against
[00:45:20] Pakistan, in opposition to the Indian Army chief. Now, is this breaking the country
[00:45:23] or not? Should everyone who follows Saurabh Das, one minute,
[00:45:27] should everyone who follows Saurabh Das be put in jail?
[00:45:31] Ashok ji, if this is decided by the government
[00:45:34] of the country, and the representatives of the country go and
[00:45:38] make an agreement with the representatives of the people sitting at Jantar Mantar,
[00:45:42] then at least there should be enough honesty to implement
[00:45:46] what they are saying, what they are agreeing to, what they are saying
[00:45:49] in front of the media. That should happen, right?
[00:45:53] What like like
[00:45:56] what all things were discussed? What
[00:45:58] is
[00:46:01] it? Meaning, the criminals should be released? You are saying
[00:46:05] that the criminals should be released? Is that what you are saying?
[00:46:09] I want to say something.
[00:46:40] These words were used by Sanjeev ji just now.
[00:46:43] I want to remind him, these are the people
[00:46:47] who supported not the division of society, but the division
[00:46:51] of the country.
[00:47:08] If the national president of a party says that the Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi, is a terrorist, then should
[00:47:12] the formula given by Sanjeev ji, of slapping someone, be applied
[00:47:16] to him? You people decide. I don't have the audacity to say
[00:47:20] such a thing about the national president of Congress, but the national president of the party
[00:47:23] says that Narendra Modi is a terrorist, and if
[00:47:27] you see an RSS person, first kill him, leave the snake. So if this is
[00:47:31] not a statement that incites the country, breaks the country, creates
[00:47:35] riots in the country, then what else can it be? Sanjeev, tell me. Mandana ji, speak. Mandana
[00:47:38] ji, speak. 30 seconds. One
[00:47:42] minute.
[00:47:44] Voice. Speak, Ashok ji, to suppress the opposition, send the ED,
[00:47:48] put them in jail on false charges, then it's fine, it's fine, when she
[00:48:22] is saying how she deleted the Prime Minister's video from there, I want to ask you,
[00:48:35] there is no time. Charu Pragya
[00:48:38] ji,
[00:48:40] जी,
[00:48:43] please give voice to Charu Pragya ji. Let's go
[00:48:46] back a little in history and remind Vandana ji, she is talking
[00:48:50] about a protest today, day before yesterday there was another
[00:48:53] protest about which a court order came. Tahir Hussain, who used
[00:48:57] to be a leader of her party, has been given life imprisonment.
[00:49:01] Why has he been given life imprisonment? Whatever he posted, protected,
[00:49:04] and did during the protest, today the court has held
[00:49:08] him responsible for the murder of an IB officer.
[00:49:12] He has received life imprisonment. That's all the time we have today, but I am
[00:49:16] repeating that we need to seriously think about this safe harbor, this legal
[00:49:19] shield, and social media will not decide the political discourse
[00:49:23] of India. No company sitting abroad will decide it.
[00:49:26] The 140 crore people of the country will decide,
[00:49:29] and the 140 crore people of the country should see what they want to see,
[00:49:32] instead of a company sitting abroad deciding it by paying
[00:49:36] money. This should stop. That's all for today. Thank you all,
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