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[00:09:10] we bring you this special program, and today on Rashtra Manch,
[00:09:13] the big topic on which there is a big debate
[00:09:16] is another statement
[00:09:20] by former Vice President Hamid Ansari. In fact, if you look at the history
[00:09:22] of Hamid Ansari's statements and his behavior,
[00:09:26] there have been many controversies. This is not the first time,
[00:09:29] but what is the latest controversy? The latest controversy is that
[00:09:33] Hamid Ansari mentioned a book
[00:09:36] by A.G. Noorani at an event.
[00:09:40] Citing that book, he mentioned a statement.
[00:09:43] Now, what was the need
[00:09:47] for that statement, what was the need to mention it?
[00:09:50] Questions are being raised about all these things. Then there is also the question
[00:09:53] of how true or false
[00:09:57] that statement is. In fact,
[00:09:59] it said something about the country's first
[00:10:03] Prime Minister, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru.
[00:10:06] What was said was that
[00:10:10] communism,
[00:10:12] that is, the leftists, are more dangerous.
[00:10:16] Hindu and Hindu communalism
[00:10:19] is more dangerous, right-wing communalism,
[00:10:22] he said. So there was bound to be a controversy over this,
[00:10:26] and there was a controversy once again over his statement,
[00:10:29] and both the VHP, that is, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad,
[00:10:32] and the BJP attacked
[00:10:36] this statement. Today, on Rashtra Manch,
[00:10:39] we will investigate why Hamid Ansari
[00:10:43] repeatedly makes such statements and behaves in this way,
[00:10:46] because he was the Vice President of the country for 10 years,
[00:10:50] and also the question of whether Pandit Nehru really said
[00:10:54] what he quoted and what is in
[00:10:57] the book by A.G. Noorani
[00:11:01] where it is written, we will tell you all this
[00:11:05] and also tell you why the VHP
[00:11:08] and BJP are retaliating so much
[00:11:12] and also whether in a country like India,
[00:11:15] Hindus have become the most dangerous.
[00:11:19] Today we will talk about this issue
[00:11:22] and try to understand it, but first
[00:11:26] let me show you some statements related
[00:11:29] to this issue. So,
[00:11:33] first of all, let's show you the statement of former Vice President Hamid Ansari
[00:11:37] that he recently gave at an event. Citing a book,
[00:11:40] he quoted Pandit Nehru as saying that
[00:11:44] the real threat to India is not communism,
[00:11:47] but Hindu right-wing communalism. Listen to his statement
[00:11:51] first.
[00:11:55] The latter couplet he wrote in the first
[00:12:01] the book,
[00:12:03] accurately sums up the Muslim sentiment
[00:12:07] in India
[00:12:07] today.
[00:12:11] He cited in the introduction of this volume,
[00:12:14] Jawaharlal Nehru's observation
[00:12:18] at an officers' meeting of the Ministry of
[00:12:21] External Affairs and recorded for.
[00:13:25] He dared to shame the glorious traditions.
[00:13:28] He said that here
[00:13:32] right-wing Hindu communalism is more dangerous
[00:13:35] than ultra-leftism. If Hindus were communal,
[00:13:39] if Hindus were fundamentalists,
[00:13:42] then Hamid Ansari would not have
[00:13:45] dared to say this. This
[00:13:49] is the same Hamid Ansari who once said
[00:13:52] that Muslims in India
[00:13:56] feel insecure. So Surendra Jain
[00:13:58] ji
[00:14:02] also cited an old statement, and there are many such statements
[00:14:05] and behaviors on which Hamid Ansari ji's statements
[00:14:09] and behavior have caused controversies. We will discuss this further,
[00:14:13] but for now, let's hear if Hamid Ansari ji's
[00:14:16] latest statement is getting any support from the opposition.
[00:14:20] Yes, some support is visible from some quarters.
[00:14:23] Naseem Siddiqui, the national spokesperson of the NCP Sharad Pawar faction,
[00:14:27] said that the right wing of Hindus,
[00:14:31] which is terrorist, which wants to make the country a Hindu nation,
[00:14:34] the country is in danger from them and their ideas. Therefore, Hamid Ansari ji's statement is correct.
[00:14:38] So BJP spokesperson Shahnawaz Hussain said that
[00:14:41] what kind of language is he speaking after becoming Vice President? Even people from the Muslim community
[00:14:45] are getting angry with his statement. The
[00:14:49] right wing of Hindus, which is terrorist,
[00:14:53] which
[00:14:56] wants to make the country a Hindu nation, which
[00:14:59] supports Golwalkar and Savarkar
[00:15:02] and Nathuram Godse, the country is in danger from them
[00:15:06] and their ideas. Hamid Ansari
[00:15:10] is quoting today what someone quoted at the time of independence.
[00:15:13] Hamid Ansari was born in the Muslim community
[00:15:17] and became the Vice President of the country, even after that,
[00:15:21] he uses such language, he speaks such words?
[00:15:25] Due to his statement, people of the Muslim community are getting angry.
[00:15:29] He should know that for the Muslims of India,
[00:15:32] there is no better country than India, no better friend than Hindu,
[00:15:36] and no better leader than Modi. Today the country is on the path of progress,
[00:15:40] on the path of Sabka Saath, Sabka Vikas, Sabka Vishwas.
[00:15:42] So we have shown you some statements
[00:15:46] and also told you about some statements. It is a good thing
[00:15:50] that some well-known Maulana Muslim
[00:15:53] scholars have also considered Hamid Ansari's statement
[00:15:57] wrong and said that such a statement has no meaning.
[00:16:01] So this shows that Hamid Ansari
[00:16:04] perhaps has a different mindset, that is why he repeatedly makes such statements
[00:16:08] and behaves in such a way that causes controversy.
[00:16:11] Today on Rashtra Manch, there is a big debate on this topic,
[00:16:15] but before that, let me tell you the questions that we are asking on Rashtra Manch today.
[00:16:19] The first question: Former Vice President Hamid Ansari's
[00:16:22] deteriorating words again, that's what it sounds like.
[00:16:26] Second question: Why do Hamid Ansari's statements
[00:16:29] and behavior always cause controversy? We will also tell you some old contexts during the discussion.
[00:16:33] Third question: Are Hindus really
[00:16:37] the most dangerous for the country? Whether it is Naxalites
[00:16:41] or terrorists, are Hindus the most dangerous of all?
[00:16:44] Fourth question: Why did the VHP and BJP
[00:16:48] launch such a fierce attack on Hamid Ansari?
[00:16:50] And fifth, did the first Prime Minister of the country,
[00:16:54] Pandit Nehru, really say that Hindus
[00:16:58] are a threat to this country? We will try to investigate
[00:17:01] this in this entire debate. And today,
[00:17:05] S.N. Singh ji, spokesperson of Bharatiya Janata Party, is joining us in this entire debate.
[00:17:07] A very warm welcome, S.N. Singh ji. Pawan Patel ji, leader of
[00:17:13] Congress. Pawan ji, a very warm welcome. Manoj Yadav ji,
[00:17:16] spokesperson of Samajwadi Party. A very warm welcome, Manoj ji.
[00:17:20] Anant Vijay sir, senior journalist,
[00:17:23] who will guide us and also clear many confusions.
[00:17:26] Sir, a very warm welcome. And here in the studio,
[00:17:30] next to us, Vinod Bansal ji, spokesperson of VHP,
[00:17:33] that is, Vishwa Hindu Parishad. A very warm welcome to all of you.
[00:17:37] Jai Shri Ram to all. Jai Jai Shri Ram to all of you too. And first
[00:17:41] of all, I will ask a question,
[00:17:44] was it really true? Because look, there are two things here.
[00:17:48] For now, let's ignore the previous
[00:17:51] controversies and statements of former Vice President Hamid Ansari ji. We will discuss
[00:17:55] them later, but
[00:17:59] he referred to A.G. Noorani ji's book, Anant Vijay
[00:18:03] sir, and
[00:18:05] in it, he mentioned Pandit Nehru ji's statement.
[00:18:09] First of all, what is its truth?
[00:18:12] Anant Vijay sir,
[00:18:15] please tell. Look, A.G. Noorani sahib did not
[00:18:19] say exactly the same words. If you say it during this discussion,
[00:18:22] I have that book with me, I will bring it,
[00:18:26] but since Hamid Ansari grew up in the culture of Congress,
[00:18:29] look, this is his cultural education.
[00:18:32] His cultural education is in the Congress party,
[00:18:36] and the things of the Congress party have come before the public
[00:18:40] by mixing them with the things written in Noorani's book
[00:18:43] in this way. Now you will say that where did Congress come into this?
[00:18:47] This gentleman,
[00:18:51] you all know him, you must have seen him.
[00:18:54] His name is Pranab Mukherjee. He was also the President of the country.
[00:18:57] Yes, Pranab Mukherjee has written three books
[00:19:01] about the Congress party and his memories.
[00:19:04] Okay, one of these books
[00:19:37] is The episode that involved the arrest of Jayendra
[00:19:41] Saraswati, the Shankaracharya of Kanchi, on 12 November
[00:19:44] 2004. Hmm, it was a time when the
[00:19:48] entire country was celebrating Diwali.
[00:19:52] During the cabinet meeting. Now listen carefully from here. During the
[00:19:55] cabinet meeting, I was
[00:19:59] the timing of the arrest and
[00:20:02] questioned if the basic tenets of
[00:20:05] secularism of the Indian state were confined to
[00:20:08] only Hindu monks and seers. Is
[00:20:12] this secularism only applicable to Hindu monks
[00:20:16] and seers, meaning Hindu saints? He asked in the cabinet
[00:20:19] meeting on November 12,
[00:20:22] 2004. Okay, and after that,
[00:20:25] he said an even more dangerous line. Would the state
[00:20:29] machinery dare to arrest a Muslim cleric during
[00:20:33] Eid festival? Would it dare to arrest any Muslim cleric during Eid festival?
[00:21:20] what kind of people are in Congress and he was one position below them, he became Vice President
[00:21:23] and Mrs. Sonia Gandhi
[00:21:27] gave him the opportunity to become President for two consecutive
[00:21:30] terms. So I
[00:21:34] am just saying this whole incident is about Hamid
[00:21:37] and it's not like Hamid Ansari sahib said such things for the first time.
[00:21:41] Hamid Ansari sahib, after stepping down from the post of President,
[00:21:45] Vice President, and you must remember when his farewell speech
[00:21:48] was happening, Prime Minister Narendra Modi
[00:21:52] also made a sweet remark that you will have many things in your mind
[00:21:55] that you can say now that you are free. We remember that well,
[00:21:59] and the context you mentioned
[00:22:02] about the arrest of Shankaracharya
[00:22:06] was an incident that happened right in front of us, which we witnessed at that time.
[00:22:10] You reported it absolutely correctly, and there is also one thing that
[00:22:13] Anant Sir was saying just now. Look, A.K.
[00:22:17] Antony, a non-Hindu
[00:22:20] leader of Congress, a big leader,
[00:22:23] the Defense Minister of the country, when Congress lost in 2014,
[00:22:27] what was in A.K. Antony's report after that? A.K. Antony's report
[00:22:30] also talks along the same lines that Anant Sir was just telling.
[00:22:34] Anyway, I'll come back to you. First
[00:22:38] of all, Vinod Bansal ji, Vinod Bansal ji,
[00:22:41] tell me, the BJP VHP launched a very sharp attack
[00:22:45] on his statement. Okay, you know that he has made such statements
[00:22:48] and behaved in such a way before. What did you find most objectionable
[00:22:52] in this statement? Tell me. Look, India
[00:22:55] is a country, he must have forgotten that they say
[00:22:58] that there are most mosques, most Muslims,
[00:23:02] if you say, in any non-Muslim country,
[00:23:06] President, Vice President,
[00:23:09] CJI and our Chief
[00:23:12] Election Commissioner and even
[00:23:16] our Air Chief Marshal also remained, of course, of course.
[00:23:20] In how many states of the country, which are Hindu-majority states,
[00:23:24] I think Hamid Ansari ji himself is the biggest example.
[00:23:28] Look how many big posts he has held. Well, I say this about him,
[00:23:31] sorry, I will maintain the dignity of my language, I will not say
[00:23:35] such things about him, but some people have a tendency
[00:23:38] to poke holes in the plate they eat from. They don't stop doing that.
[00:23:42] But I want to say, look, in how many states of the country,
[00:23:46] which are Hindu-majority states, which they are calling right-wing Hindu,
[00:23:50] how many Muslim chief ministers have been formed in their states?
[00:23:53] But I want to ask,
[00:23:57] not a single word came out of their mouth that why has no Hindu chief minister
[00:24:00] been able to become chief minister in Jammu and Kashmir till date?
[00:24:04] Tell me, why has it not been possible? After all,
[00:24:08] what is the reason that all the terrorist attacks
[00:24:11] in the country are 100%
[00:24:14] by people from the Muslim community? Tell me, these are educated people,
[00:24:17] right? They come in the intellectual category.
[00:24:20] So why have they never spoken on halala,
[00:24:24] which depicts the plight of women, which depicts their pathetic condition?
[00:24:28] Little girls are still being kept captive
[00:24:31] in the 17th century mindset
[00:24:35] and kept captive in black sacks and prevented from going to school
[00:24:38] wearing burqa and hijab. Why?
[00:24:42] What all does not happen in madrasas? They never uttered a word.
[00:24:45] No, there is one thing in this, even if this argument is accepted
[00:24:48] that this is an internal matter of our Islam,
[00:24:52] if they say so.
[00:24:56] Vinod, still the question is that when slogans of "Sar Tan Se Juda"
[00:25:00] are not only raised but
[00:25:03] yes, this Udaipur incident of Kanhaiya Lal,
[00:25:07] in such a situation, not a single word comes out of the mouths of people
[00:25:11] like Hamid Ansari ji. This is true. Brother, in the Palgaon attack,
[00:25:14] they clearly asked for religion and then killed.
[00:25:18] Has he said a single word till date? This should not be happening,
[00:25:21] their sensitivity is dead, all their pain,
[00:25:25] sensitivity is standing with terrorists and separatists. This is what their statements
[00:25:28] clearly say. Look, I am getting information that
[00:25:32] when he was our ambassador
[00:25:35] in many countries, he was also in Iran and many other
[00:25:39] Muslim countries. What all did he do there?
[00:25:43] How many stains are on his reputation? It is in the public domain.
[00:25:46] I would say that the Government of India should investigate this thoroughly. And
[00:25:58] not only that, when he was Vice President, we also know that he used to go to the conventions of PFI and SDPI, and after that, when he stepped down, he started playing openly.
[00:26:02] I remember two contexts, I remember two contexts.
[00:26:05] One is an officer of RAW who has already stated
[00:26:09] when he was ambassador to Iran, and the other
[00:26:12] is a Pakistani journalist who referred to that visit
[00:26:16] when Hamid Ansari ji was Vice President. I will come to all those things too.
[00:26:19] He did not apologize for these things. We will definitely open up
[00:26:23] those past things and
[00:26:27] because who is the most aggressive at this time?
[00:26:31] VHP and BJP are the most aggressive. So I will take the reaction of BJP
[00:26:34] first, then I will go to Pawan Patel ji
[00:26:38] and Manoj Yadav ji. S.N. Singh ji,
[00:26:41] why are you so aggressive on this statement? He has made such statements
[00:26:45] and behaved in such a way before. S.N. Singh ji,
[00:26:48] look, we are discussing today the statement of respected
[00:26:52] Hamid Ansari ji. Hamid Ansari ji,
[00:26:55] who is the Vice President of the majority country and remains for 10
[00:26:59] years, as soon as he steps down, he says that now Muslims
[00:27:29] who always give such statements show that extremist thinking is such that it goes to any position and still maintains its thinking.
[00:27:33] It is still said that India is here.
[00:27:36] Sandalwood
[00:27:39] Respected Prime Minister ji, our Prime Minister ji,
[00:27:43] in 2017, in the farewell ceremony,
[00:27:47] said this that you are independent and free to say such things.
[00:27:50] Our country does not accept these things. Absolutely, if Hamid
[00:27:53] Ansari ji says the same thing for any extremism,
[00:27:57] we say who gets hurt,
[00:28:00] who cuts off his head, who gives a 24-hour ultimatum,
[00:28:04] who runs love jihad in Kerala, who
[00:28:07] lives in Mian,
[00:28:10] but converts 5000 people by keeping the name Baba,
[00:28:13] who causes riots in Bhagalpur,
[00:28:17] who cuts off the breasts of mothers in West Bengal,
[00:28:20] and who shows extremism even at the time of independence.
[00:28:23] Still, tolerant India embraces such people.
[00:28:27] I think if he said that, he should be respected, that no kind of extremism is good.
[00:28:31] Absolutely right, that spectacle
[00:28:35] that only sees one religion and promotes another
[00:28:38] extremism is repeatedly seen in India. It is also seen in 26/11
[00:28:42] when Parliament is attacked, it is also seen
[00:28:46] when someone is hanged by the Supreme Court, it is also seen that he belongs to my
[00:28:49] religion, he belongs to my religion. This extremist thinking
[00:28:53] is the same extremist thinking in those people, and the biggest
[00:28:56] accusation is that Hamid Ansari ji is an Indian thinker.
[00:29:00] Okay, I will say one more thing quickly.
[00:29:02] I will say one last thing, and I will not say it in anyone's context.
[00:29:08] One saying
[00:29:12] You can feed as much milk
[00:29:15] as you want to a snake,
[00:29:19] okay, he also said something similar.
[00:29:22] Okay, I will come back to this later,
[00:29:26] Pawan Patel ji and Manoj Yadav ji. I took the word of VHP and BJP first
[00:29:30] because
[00:29:32] these people are attacking that statement the most. I will take your perspective later.
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[00:31:32] Welcome back after the break to Rashtra Manch, a big debate on a big topic,
[00:31:36] and today's big debate is that former Vice President Hamid Ansari
[00:31:39] has once again made a statement, although many of his previous statements
[00:31:43] and behaviors have already been controversial. Today we are discussing that.
[00:31:47] Let's go directly to Pawan Patel ji. Pawan Patel ji,
[00:31:50] the issue that VHP and BJP
[00:31:53] are attacking most fiercely has been completely heard by all of you.
[00:31:57] Now, the reason for coming to you is that I am seeing
[00:32:01] that in support of Hamid Ansari ji's statement, we searched a lot
[00:32:05] for some statement from a Congress leader, but that statement was not found,
[00:32:09] although Anant Vijay sir has already given the full context,
[00:32:12] Pawan Patel ji. Look,
[00:32:17] today there is a lot of commotion. The Bharatiya Janata Party
[00:32:20] is always looking for such opportunities. Earlier too, many kinds of references,
[00:32:24] many kinds of books, many kinds of references to leaders have been given,
[00:32:28] but the Bharatiya Janata Party only picks up those references
[00:32:32] where there is Hindu-Muslim, where there is politics of religion,
[00:32:36] where there is diversion from burning issues. The Bharatiya Janata Party becomes very aggressive
[00:32:40] and picks up those issues very aggressively. There are many references,
[00:32:43] the entire opposition kept asking earlier. The one who ran it disappeared for 20 days,
[00:32:47] no one attacked him, no one tried to catch him. Now, today, by mentioning
[00:32:50] some book, the way this issue
[00:32:54] was raised by the Bharatiya Janata Party, I want to know from them,
[00:32:57] was this issue raised by the Bharatiya Janata Party or by one of their people?
[00:33:01] This needs to be clarified a bit. The Bharatiya Janata Party has reacted, but before that,
[00:33:05] Hamid Ansari ji spoke in the program, which we played.
[00:33:09] No, they are saying that the Bharatiya Janata Party raised it,
[00:33:12] they said that the Bharatiya Janata Party is taking this as an opportunity.
[00:33:45] No, you can speak, I know, look, the party cannot speak,
[00:33:48] the party is compelled because it is in power,
[00:33:52] Auntie has come from outside, but you can speak, you are Indian,
[00:33:55] right? There is no doubt about it, Pawan ji,
[00:33:59] speak personally, it's fine, don't speak on behalf of the party.
[00:34:01] From thieves and offerings
[00:34:04] from thieves,
[00:34:12] absolutely, completely dignified.
[00:34:45] Are you dead? Tell me, have some courage, you contractor of Hindus,
[00:34:48] you stole Ram's janmabhoomi. Oh, tell me, after all,
[00:34:52] we are not contractors of Hindus. You are anti-Hindu. If
[00:34:56] you don't speak, then you are definitely anti-Hindu. Oh, have the courage to speak.
[00:34:59] How long will you lick boots
[00:35:03] for these things? Now, their perspective
[00:35:07] is what you should do. It's done, it's done, enough is enough.
[00:35:11] Enough is enough. Directly, directly, directly to the statement.
[00:36:15] Sir, sir, sir, sir, I appealed to both, sir. Pawan ji, Pawan
[00:36:18] ji, I appealed to both. Is it communal? I just want to ask this much.
[00:36:22] Okay,
[00:36:25] with civility, absolutely. Tell me,
[00:36:29] are Hindus communal? Just tell me, Pawan ji,
[00:36:31] tell me, who said Hindus are communal?
[00:36:35] You are talking about your leader Jawaharlal Nehru ji.
[00:36:38] Jawaharlal Nehru ji also said that here,
[00:36:42] citizenship will not be based on religion, it will be based on the constitution,
[00:36:46] and if you are in the government, it should be your responsibility.
[00:36:50] How do you see Ansari ji's statement? Tell me, Pawan ji, Pawan ji, how do you see Hamid Ansari ji's statement,
[00:36:54] the latest one? came out, tell me sir?
[00:37:27] Manoj Yadav ji's statement
[00:37:36] before I go to him, the UP Deputy CM Keshav Maurya's
[00:37:40] reaction on this issue has also come, please show it. After Keshav Maurya,
[00:37:43] we will go directly to Manoj Yadav ji.
[00:37:47] These kinds of statements, when made by someone who has reached the
[00:37:51] post of Vice President in the country, when such statements
[00:37:55] are made, there is only one answer
[00:37:59] that Hindu society has always
[00:38:02] worked to accept everyone, it works to give respect to everyone
[00:38:05] and works in harmony with everyone. These kinds of statements
[00:38:09] certainly spread discord and
[00:38:12] create a sense of separation, but these kinds
[00:38:15] of statements continuously keep coming from the Vice President
[00:38:19] of the country
[00:38:20] sometimes.
[00:38:24] Let's go directly to Manoj Yadav ji. Directly to Manoj Yadav ji. Yes, your
[00:38:28] reaction because the Deputy CM has said that such a statement is absolutely
[00:38:31] wrong. How does SP view the statement of former
[00:38:35] Vice President Hamid Ansari ji? Manoj ji, look,
[00:38:38] if we talk comparatively, then the subject that your channel sent
[00:38:42] me was about Hamid Ansari, who referred to an old
[00:38:45] reference of former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru
[00:38:48] and said that the real threat to India is not communism,
[00:38:52] i.e., left-wing, but Hindu
[00:38:55] right-wing communalism.
[00:38:58] This was said, okay. So I said, when I
[00:39:02] read this about left-wing, I felt that everyone in the left-wing, about
[00:39:05] whom there has been so much discussion, that these Muslims, I felt that
[00:39:09] all the leftists must have been Muslims. So I also
[00:39:13] extracted data for that, and the names of 13
[00:39:16] prominent left-wing leaders came before me: M. A.
[00:39:20] Roy, M. A. Dange, P. C. Joshi, B. T.
[00:39:23] Ranadive, P. Sundarayya, E. M. Namboodiripad.
[00:40:11] Four people spoke, and we, two spokespersons of Congress and Samajwadi Party,
[00:40:14] our knowledge was bubbling at over 100
[00:40:18] degrees without interest, but we remained calm,
[00:40:22] like ice, like a slab of ice, quiet.
[00:40:25] Okay, so we also need to express our views
[00:40:48] very easily. You took the names of those Communist
[00:40:51] leaders who were mainstream leaders.
[00:40:55] Communist ideology also connects with those Naxalites, whose recent end has occurred.
[00:40:59] Communist ideology also connects with those people who used to say that
[00:41:03] if you go to vote, they will cut off your thumb. Communist ideology also
[00:41:06] connects with those people who used to play bloody games.
[00:41:10] You very conveniently chose those names
[00:41:13] from the left-wing ideology, and what do you think about the
[00:41:17] right-wing ideology? Was Sardar Patel not right-wing? Don't
[00:41:21] you think Sardar, among right-wing leaders, weren't these Govind Ballabh Pant, right-wing leaders,
[00:41:25] within Congress itself? Within Congress? How long
[00:41:28] has the stream of right-wingers been? How long has it been, Manoj ji, but
[00:41:32] you very conveniently chose those faces of the left-wing,
[00:41:36] and you thought the right-wing. I think you might say
[00:41:40] that those who lynch to stop
[00:41:43] cow slaughter, cow protectors who lynch, will you just
[00:41:46] consider them right-wing? Is this
[00:41:48] your convenience?
[00:41:51] Your questions are over. You have done such a great analysis, you didn't
[00:41:55] need anyone, you didn't need anyone. I ask, right-wing
[00:41:58] people are very good, left-wing is messed up, socialist
[00:42:02] is messed up. So this country for a long time
[00:42:05] did not accept those right-wingers politically
[00:42:09] at all, and there was no discussion
[00:42:12] in this country. How long did the leftists rule in this country, what kind
[00:42:16] of rule it was, you know better, I also know. Even if it was not in the whole country,
[00:42:20] it was definitely in some parts of the country. Definitely, every
[00:42:23] ideology has some good and some bad things. For example, if
[00:42:27] we talk about the right-wing, then it also talks about cultural nationalism
[00:42:31] and also talks about other things. Look, let me speak,
[00:42:35] let me speak. Now you have made me read the whole book,
[00:42:38] you have quoted every single thing, and Manoj Yadav
[00:42:42] has difficulty speaking. This is it, this is the right thing
[00:42:45] that the right-wing does not like to listen. The right-wing
[00:42:49] is not able to stand the test.
[00:42:53] But the twist you are giving, I am telling you, your
[00:42:56] argument will go against you, Manoj
[00:42:58] ji,
[00:43:01] the Communists have been accepted in this country. At this level, you
[00:43:05] can see how much the right-wingers have been accepted, and if earlier
[00:43:08] the right-wing people were not accepted so much, then in today's
[00:43:12] empowered era, when everyone is empowered, do you see more acceptance
[00:43:15] of the right-wing today or not? Tell me, Manoj ji. Okay,
[00:43:19] okay. If there is acceptance, will other ideologies end? Absolutely
[00:43:23] not. Is there no space for it? Is there no space
[00:43:26] for anyone's religion? Is there no space for anyone's faith, no space for anyone's
[00:43:30] rights? As soon as you came, you said Jai Jai Shri
[00:43:33] Ram, how good you said that. But I also say in reflection, Jai
[00:43:37] Shri Krishna, Jai Sanvidhan, Jai Baba Saheb.
[00:44:56] I will say the same way that whatever has happened in Ayodhya, the court's SIT
[00:44:59] has been reconstituted again, hasn't it? And
[00:45:03] action has also been taken. Expose
[00:45:06] it with your own mouth, but Lalchand ji, I want to ask him something, he did well.
[00:46:40] Everyone is watching, okay, I'll be back in the second round, Manoj ji,
[00:46:43] Manoj
[00:46:47] ji, stop, you stop, everyone, everyone quiet,
[00:46:50] everyone quiet, everyone quiet, Vijay sir.
[00:47:12] In this book, Noorani sahib wrote about the RSS and
[00:47:16] criticized the RSS, okay, okay. In this,
[00:47:19] he clearly did not write about all Hindus.
[00:47:52] was also there, recognize this too, Manoj ji, you are very
[00:47:56] educated, you are talking about a very serious
[00:47:59] matter, Sri and this is his
[00:48:02] name, Sri Aurobindo. He has put forward the concept of cultural
[00:48:06] nationalism. My only point is that whatever Noorani sahib
[00:48:10] does, he has the artistic
[00:48:13] freedom of expression, there is no criticism in that.
[00:48:16] But by picking out selective parts, Hamid
[00:48:20] Ansari, whose past has been
[00:48:24] like this anti-Hindu bashing, if he picks out
[00:48:27] selective parts and applies the statements
[00:48:31] made about Hindus inspired by a particular
[00:48:34] ideology to the entire Hindu community,
[00:48:37] then the objection, Lalchan ji, starts here.
[00:48:41] Then questions arise about his intentions, then it seems that
[00:48:45] this person deliberately wants to create Hindu-Muslim
[00:48:48] conflict. And as for the leftists, Manoj
[00:48:51] ji, you named everyone from M. Roy sahib
[00:48:55] to A. B. Vardhan, everyone is very good, very educated,
[00:48:59] everyone is, but all these people supported
[00:49:03] Naxalism, all these people from
[00:49:06] '65 to
[00:49:09] the Naxalites. Even the Naxalites many times talked about
[00:49:12] supporting them in elections, parties like CPI. And let me tell
[00:49:16] you one more thing, they forgot Mahasweta Devi.
[00:49:20] When Mahasweta Devi
[00:50:22] Yes, sir, Manoj ji, speak. I was just saying that among the names
[00:50:26] I read of leftists, there was no Muslim.
[00:50:30] They were all Hindus. So leftism was in Hinduism
[00:50:33] as well as in right-wing. Leftism was in
[00:50:37] socialism, leftism was in Gandhism.
[00:50:40] That is, Hindus also believed in Gandhism. So
[00:50:44] there was diversity in Hinduism. It was divided from all
[00:50:47] sides. Not every Hindu was right-wing,
[00:50:51] not every Hindu was left-wing.
[00:51:22] will only burn the books of Manas, will only see faults in them, not in any other religion.
[00:51:26] You tell me, when it comes to religion and if
[00:51:30] any incident has happened in Muzaffarnagar, then they will
[00:51:34] only adopt one religion in the victim. This is called leftism.
[00:51:38] We call this ideological leftism, in which
[00:51:41] at all times, at 12, 2, 4 in the night,
[00:51:45] if the Supreme Court also has to be opened, it has to be opened for this reason
[00:51:48] because it is ideological leftism. We do not hesitate to call the Mughals
[00:54:05] denied it, but we did not get any denial from Congress either.
[00:54:08] We also want to ask you this. What is his statement? He mentioned
[00:54:12] the book. We said that Congress party supports
[00:54:16] those who got citizenship according to the constitution. We told you earlier, deny it,
[00:54:19] deny it, you people do it. We have given the answer, those who
[00:54:22] understand will understand.
[00:54:26] stay sitting.
[00:54:30] speak.
[00:54:34] was happening.
[00:56:00] comment, Vinod ji, I want to say, look, the spokesperson
[00:56:04] of Congress, Samajwadi Party,
[00:56:51] they see and whom they reject and whom they accept, I told Manoj Yadav ji that today
[00:56:55] is the kind of era, we talk about Gen Z, right? Today, everyone
[00:56:59] is empowered, okay, so everyone has
[00:57:03] their place, I accept
[00:57:05] this, but one thing is for sure that everyone, yes, absolutely the Constitution
[00:57:09] also, sir,
[00:57:09] the Constitution,
[00:57:13] tell me, is it based on Sharia or the Constitution?
[00:57:47] along with Manoj Yadav ji, thank you very much to you too. So today, in Rashtramanch, this is such
[00:57:51] a big issue, on which many times, if you talk,
[00:57:55] the discussion can go on for much longer, but the discussion
[00:57:58] was on Hamid Ansari ji's statement. Earlier also, there have been controversies
[00:58:02] over many of his statements and behavior, and if a person who has held
[00:58:06] such an important position for 10 years makes such statements, then it is indeed a concern.
[00:58:09] That's why this was a big debate today. For now, that's all for today's Rashtrapanch.
[00:58:12] Give permission to the entire team, Namaste.