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[00:00:00] India's first state is Haryana where 24
[00:00:03] crops are purchased at MSP and the farmers'
[00:00:06] crop payment is also received in their account within 48
[00:00:10] hours.
[00:00:14] Water, brother, now there is no worry about water. Install solar pumps
[00:00:17] and get up to 75% subsidy.
[00:00:20] And with my water, my heritage scheme,
[00:00:24] every drop of water has been used correctly. And with
[00:00:27] PM Kisan Samman Nidhi, more than 16 lakh
[00:00:31] farmers have received approximately 7900 crore rupees.
[00:00:35] Oh, that's not all. Along with this, farmers also
[00:00:38] get subsidies in horticulture,
[00:00:42] animal husbandry, fisheries and beekeeping.
[00:00:45] Oh, this has benefited farmers a lot. Did anyone ever think
[00:00:49] that a farmer's crop would also be insured?
[00:00:53] Yes, that's
[00:00:55] Party formed its government in some states why the farmer of Haryana sleeps carefree
[00:00:58] and works hard in his fields with all his heart.
[00:01:02] है,
[00:01:05] Developed India, Developed
[00:01:07] Haryana.
[00:01:10] When iron stone comes out by tearing the earth
[00:01:14] and meets with
[00:01:17] the enthusiasm of Mongia, then it heats up, melts
[00:01:20] and becomes steel. Now it becomes rebar, with all the qualities.
[00:01:24] साथ,
[00:01:26] Mongia Steel, strong rebar of a strong country.
[00:01:54] that Hello, you are watching our special program on DD News, in which
[00:01:57] we discuss big issues. I am Lal Chandra Singh. At the end of the week, we
[00:02:01] bring you a special program. Today, on Rashtra Manch, the big
[00:02:05] issue on which we are having a big debate is the same
[00:02:08] issue that is currently going on in the capital Delhi, that is,
[00:02:12] the continuous attempts of protest.
[00:02:15] So, what was the situation in the capital Delhi today? Now we will
[00:02:19] tell you what attempts were made in the capital Delhi
[00:02:22] today and is the Bharatiya Janata
[00:02:27] and form a government with the Muslim League? Party now openly targeting?
[00:02:30] And saying that, in fact, those whom the public has rejected,
[00:02:34] have come out on the streets with anarchy.
[00:02:37] BJP is now launching a direct attack. Earlier, BJP was somehow
[00:02:41] avoiding launching such a direct attack, but now it is directly targeting
[00:02:45] and is also saying that the frustrated and disappointed opposition
[00:02:49] has only the support of the streets left. But amidst all this,
[00:02:52] the opposition's opponents are repeatedly
[00:02:56] saying that we will not leave this issue, we will continue
[00:03:00] to protest and hold demonstrations and do everything
[00:03:03] according to our plan. So what is the opposition going to do next?
[00:03:07] Will this continue in the capital Delhi for the next few days, for a few weeks?
[00:03:11] What did the Supreme Court say? What is the stance
[00:03:14] of the Delhi Police? And what is the government's overall
[00:03:18] strategy to deal with anarchy? All these
[00:03:21] issues will be discussed on Rashtra Manch today. We will have a big debate on this big
[00:03:25] issue and try to understand and investigate it. But
[00:03:29] first, let me tell you five questions related to this issue.
[00:03:32] हैं
[00:03:36] Mallikarjun Kharge, the national president of Congress, said that
[00:03:39] the agitation is a legitimate demand of the people. This is
[00:03:42] spoiling people's work, so it shows
[00:03:45] how scared he is of the youth.
[00:03:48] But the Bharatiya Janata Party has now come out openly. Nitin Naveen, the national president
[00:03:52] of the Bharatiya Janata Party, said, you are trying
[00:03:56] to spread anarchy with the nexus of foreign powers.
[00:04:02] to prevent the agitation,
[00:04:06] the genuine demand of the
[00:04:09] public, they are doing all
[00:04:13] these things and
[00:04:17] he is spoiling
[00:04:21] thank you very much for joining. lacks of people's
[00:04:23] jobs, because many people they
[00:04:27] wanted to go for jobs or a...
[00:05:01] will not be based on lies. Challenging democracy
[00:05:05] in the name of the constitution is an insult
[00:05:09] to the mandate. The person whom the people of the country have given
[00:05:13] the mandate, whom the people of the country trust, is leading
[00:05:17] the country. Your constant frustration is visible
[00:05:20] in the states that you do not want this country
[00:05:24] to move forward peacefully.
[00:05:26] चाहे,
[00:05:30] So you heard the statements of the national presidents of both parties.
[00:05:33] This means that this
[00:05:36] conflict is going
[00:05:39] to increase further, because now
[00:05:42] both parties are completely face-to-face and big leaders are giving statements.
[00:05:46] In this sequence, Congress leader and leader
[00:05:49] of the opposition, Rahul Gandhi, said, "Do whatever you want, call
[00:05:53] the police, we are surrounding you and we are not going to back
[00:05:57] down." So, Union Minister Piyush Goyal said, "It is a matter of shame. Rahul
[00:06:00] Gandhi has no respect for any constitutional
[00:06:03] institution."
[00:06:06] We have said that India is
[00:06:10] going to get justice. Do you want it right
[00:06:13] now? Call out all the police,
[00:06:16] 1000, 2000, 5000, whatever you want.
[00:06:20] Arrest all the leaders. Arrest
[00:06:23] all the young people. Arrest us all. Don't worry. We are
[00:06:26] surrounding you and we are not going to back
[00:06:29] down. Mark my words. We are
[00:06:32] surrounding you. We already have the information we
[00:06:36] need. We are not going to back down. It is a matter of
[00:06:39] shame
[00:06:43] that the leader of the opposition,
[00:06:47] Mr. Rahul Gandhi, has no
[00:06:50] respect for any constitutional
[00:06:53] authority.
[00:06:57] He has no understanding of the law, of his
[00:07:00] constitutional duties,
[00:07:04] both as a citizen of
[00:07:07] India and as the leader of the
[00:07:10] opposition.
[00:07:13] Mr. Rahul Gandhi has
[00:07:14] displayed his
[00:07:18] arrogance, disrespectful
[00:07:22] behavior,
[00:07:24] disregard for courtesies
[00:07:28] and
[00:07:31] if I may add, his
[00:07:33] ignorance
[00:07:37] both of the law
[00:07:40] and lack of common
[00:07:44] sense.
[00:07:49] So you heard the statements of the big leaders of both parties.
[00:07:53] There are also statements of other opposition leaders and parties,
[00:07:56] and their leaders of BJP's alliance parties, but it seems
[00:08:00] that this issue is now completely a matter
[00:08:04] of confrontation. But what is behind all this? And
[00:08:07] is there, behind this, a feeling of frustration, disappointment,
[00:08:11] as some people are saying, which is why there is this uproar on the streets?
[00:08:15] Today, on Rashtra Manch, we will have a big debate on this big issue, but before that, let us tell you five
[00:08:19] questions. The five questions we are asking on Rashtra Manch today are: The first
[00:08:22] question is, what was the situation in the capital Delhi today?
[00:08:26] What kind of attempts were made, how successful, how unsuccessful?
[00:08:30] The second question is, rejected by the public, relying
[00:08:34] on anarchy. Overall, BJP is saying
[00:08:37] that because of continuous election losses,
[00:08:41] they are now creating an uproar on the streets.
[00:08:43] The third question related to this is, has the frustrated and disappointed opposition
[00:08:47] only the streets left? For the opposition, and the fourth question is,
[00:08:51] what is the plan of the opposition and opponents next?
[00:08:54] What all will we see next? And the fifth
[00:08:58] question related to this is, what is the government's strategy
[00:09:01] to deal with anarchy? What will be the government's efforts? How will all these
[00:09:05] things be dealt with? Today, we will have a big debate
[00:09:08] on Rashtra Manch on this. For this, we have Advocate Shekhar Kumar
[00:09:12] ji, who is a political analyst and strongly presents arguments
[00:09:16] in favor of Congress. A very warm welcome to you in the studio. Shekhar
[00:09:20] ji, a very warm welcome. Rishabh Tiwari, the sharp spokesperson
[00:09:23] of the Bharatiya Janata Party, Rishabh, a very warm welcome
[00:09:27] to you too. We have Chirag Sethi ji, spokesperson
[00:09:30] of Aam Aadmi Party. Chirag ji,
[00:09:33] And we have Sameer Chaugule sir,
[00:09:37] senior journalist, to explain all these issues. Sir,
[00:09:41] hello. Also,
[00:09:43] what happened, sir? For 10-12 years, everything was very peaceful.
[00:09:47] In 2014, the Congress
[00:09:50] UPA II government was there. Election Commissioner was appointed. Election Commission was appointed.
[00:09:54] Election Commissioner was appointed. After that, elections were held with EVMs.
[00:09:57] In 2014, after 30 years, the Bharatiya Janata Party got
[00:10:01] a majority. For 10-12 years, everything went almost fine. Sometimes seats
[00:10:05] increased. From 282 to 303.
[00:10:08] Then decreased to 240. In 2024, everything is going
[00:10:12] well. But what happened suddenly? What if,
[00:10:16] as some analysts believe, Sameer sir, that the result of the West
[00:10:20] Bengal elections was that turning point,
[00:10:23] which eventually
[00:10:55] formed, before that, in 1951-52, the Jan Sangh
[00:10:58] was an earlier form of the Bharatiya Janata and it continuously lost
[00:11:02] elections till 1975. When the Jan Sangh
[00:11:05] formed a front with all opposition parties, after that, the emergency was imposed
[00:11:09] by Indira Gandhi and the Jan Sangh came to power at that time. So for a long
[00:11:13] time, the Jan Sangh was also out of power. In 1980, the Bharatiya Janata Party was formed
[00:11:16] and after 1980, the Bharatiya Janata
[00:11:20] with some alliance. But you will see that
[00:11:23] the Janata Party, formed in 1980, came to power after 18 years
[00:11:27] in 1998, Atal Bihari Vajpayee. First time for 13 days,
[00:11:30] then for 13 months and after that, Atal Bihari
[00:11:34] came to power for 5 years. After that, for another 10 years, from 2004
[00:11:38] to 2014, the Bharatiya Janata Party goes out of power. The government
[00:11:41] is formed under the leadership of Manmohan Singh. Yes. In this whole period, can you
[00:11:45] also tell me one incident when any leader of the Bharatiya Janata
[00:11:49] Party or leader said that we
[00:11:52] are losing elections because of the Election Commission? And after the 2009
[00:12:03] elections, even BJP had raised questions on EVMs, this is true.
[00:12:07] However, after that, whenever the VVPAT system
[00:12:11] was implemented after that objection, no, I will
[00:12:15] also give you a detailed answer to that. The person
[00:12:18] who raised the question after the 2009 defeat was Lal Krishna Advani, who raised
[00:12:21] questions on EVMs. And on that, a leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party
[00:12:25] who later became the national general secretary, Muralidhar, also wrote a
[00:12:28] book on it. He wrote a book
[00:12:31] about EVMs, and I would also like to tell you that after that, the Bharatiya Janata
[00:12:35] Party officially rejected that book and clearly told them
[00:12:39] that this issue is not worth writing a book about. We had some doubts and concerns
[00:12:43] which the Election Commission clarified for us. And after that,
[00:12:47] did the Bharatiya Janata Party ever stage a street protest? Did the Bharatiya Janata
[00:12:50] Party hold a press conference and say that the Election Commission has become a thief, that the Election Commission
[00:12:54] steals all elections? And under the leadership
[00:12:57] of those election commissioners, we will always lose elections. We don't want elections. So I
[00:13:01] think Rahul Gandhi should understand this point that now
[00:13:05] when you win elections, elections are fair, and if you lose, you blame the Election Commission.
[00:13:09] This whole matter. Let's say if Rahul Gandhi has complaints. Rahul Gandhi
[00:13:12] met the President two days ago. He presented his case to the President.
[00:13:15] Tomorrow, Mallikarjun Kharge and Rahul Gandhi are going to meet the Chief Justice of India
[00:13:19] of the Supreme Court. This whole matter is going on in the Supreme
[00:13:23] Court, whether it is related to the role of the Chief Election Commissioner,
[00:13:27] or the differences between the Chief Election Commissioner and the two election commissioners.
[00:13:30] The Supreme Court has issued notices to the Chief Election Commissioner and both
[00:13:34] election commissioners. It has also issued a notice to the IT director.
[00:13:37] They had to reply within 10 to 7 days. Tomorrow is the last day
[00:13:41] to reply. On Monday, the Election Commission and the Chief Election Commissioner and both
[00:13:45] election commissioners will file their replies. And the Supreme Court has clearly
[00:13:48] stated that if in this matter we feel that there has been any irregularity
[00:13:52] regarding the SIR, then we will dismiss this process.
[00:13:56] So I think Rahul Gandhi, as the leader of the opposition, has every
[00:14:00] right to raise all these questions. Wherever he feels that
[00:14:03] it is against democracy, he should take that matter to the public.
[00:14:06] But he will trust some institution, right? He should trust the Supreme Court
[00:14:10] that the Supreme Court will do justice. The Supreme Court will hear all
[00:14:14] the questions and the Supreme Court will take
[00:14:18] the decision that is in the interest of democracy. And one more thing I want to say,
[00:14:21] Lalchand ji, look, the Supreme Court and the Supreme
[00:14:25] Court of the people are two different things. Since Rahul Gandhi
[00:14:29] is an elected leader, he is taking this matter to the court of the people.
[00:14:32] So, in the court of the people, the Lok Sabha election takes place every 5
[00:14:36] years, and all the assembly elections
[00:14:39] take place every year. After four months, it will be in Uttar Pradesh,
[00:14:43] in Punjab, it is going to happen in Goa, elections will be held in Uttarakhand.
[00:14:46] The decision will also be taken in the court of the people. And if Rahul
[00:14:50] Gandhi's words resonate with the people that what Rahul Gandhi is saying
[00:14:54] is correct, then the people
[00:15:22] The question I asked Sameer sir, that in 2009, BJP also
[00:15:25] raised questions about it. Lal Krishna Advani was presented as
[00:15:29] their prime ministerial candidate. Sameer sir made the situation
[00:15:33] completely clear that GVL Narasimha had written a book, but later,
[00:15:36] this is an important point, that later BJP distanced itself from that
[00:15:40] book. This is a very important point.
[00:15:43] But Sameer sir, the point you made that
[00:15:47] somewhere it seems that after being rejected there, when they went to the Supreme
[00:15:51] Court, Advocate
[00:15:53] Shekhar Kumar ji, when the matter is going on in the Supreme Court, they are also going to the Supreme Court
[00:15:57] tomorrow, on the 12th, they are going to meet the CJI of the Supreme Court.
[00:16:01] One thing is not clear, Shekhar Kumar ji,
[00:16:04] that these days I am seeing that, as they say,
[00:16:07] the streets, Parliament, and the Supreme
[00:16:10] Court, the opposition is raising an issue simultaneously in all three
[00:16:13] places. Whereas, if suppose you are taking this issue to the Supreme
[00:16:17] Court, wait a little bit, then on the streets or
[00:16:21] in Parliament. But it is often seen that they
[00:16:24] keep raising issues simultaneously in all three places. This means
[00:16:28] that somewhere you do not trust
[00:16:32] the Supreme Court. Look,
[00:16:34] this is how this issue started. Yes,
[00:16:38] there was a report by the Indian Express, in which it was said
[00:16:42] that two election commissioners said
[00:16:45] that we are getting information about many decisions from the media.
[00:16:48] We don't know who filed the appeals in Bengal.
[00:16:52] They raised questions about the software.
[00:16:55] They raised this question that any change in Form Six
[00:16:59] is unconstitutional. These were the questions raised by the two election
[00:17:02] commissioners. Who appointed these two election commissioners? Donald
[00:17:06] Trump did.
[00:17:33] You speak later, let me say one thing. The media report you are referring to, okay?
[00:17:38] Did those two election commissioners, quoting whom the media report is speaking,
[00:17:41] confirm this? Did they own it? No, they didn't.
[00:17:45] Firstly, secondly, it should be clear
[00:17:49] to the people that the Election Commission has three
[00:17:53] election commissioners. So the Supreme Court has clearly said that the Chief Election Commissioner
[00:17:56] means one out of three is the head, and everyone else has
[00:17:59] equal rights. And secondly, the Election Commission
[00:18:03] can never make a decision in which
[00:18:07] two election commissioners disagree. If two election commissioners
[00:18:10] do not approve it, then this decision cannot be made. This is also a very
[00:18:14] important point. There are some things like administrative. I
[00:18:18] want to make it absolutely clear for the audience that in the case of administrative decisions,
[00:18:22] the Chief Election Commissioner can take some decisions
[00:18:25] on his own. This
[00:18:28] is the situation. And you yourself said that the Election Commission
[00:18:32] clarified the whole situation through two press notes. Along with that, the Election Commission
[00:18:36] also clarified the situation completely. The 14 points, on 14 points, including
[00:18:39] some points you raised, the situation on all those points has been clarified.
[00:18:43] No, no, Lalchand ji, first of all, thank you very much that
[00:18:47] many things I wanted to say, you have already said.
[00:18:49] I am absolutely sure.
[00:18:52] In that press note, there was no clarification on most
[00:18:55] of the points. Both election commissioners
[00:18:58] never denied what was written in that newspaper.
[00:19:02] They never called that newspaper report wrong.
[00:19:06] This means it's good. The observation that came from the Supreme Court, the Supreme
[00:19:10] Court, after that, on the next date, individually asked
[00:19:13] all three election commissioners to submit affidavits.
[00:19:16] This means the Supreme Court is also confirming
[00:19:20] that the Supreme Court is also considering these suspicions
[00:19:22] to be true.
[00:19:26] You are interpreting this in your own convenient
[00:19:30] way. I challenge
[00:19:34] you.
[00:20:37] Hey, Majan ji, listen to me. Listen, isn't it the responsibility
[00:20:41] of both election commissioners to maintain the credibility
[00:20:45] of the Election Commission among the public? Absolutely, it's all three.
[00:20:48] Your point is that there is anarchy, so it is
[00:20:52] happening on their issues. Why are they not holding a press conference
[00:20:56] now? What was such a compulsion
[00:20:59] that even after apologizing, there are thousands of parties
[00:21:02] in this country, thousands
[00:21:06] of parties. Sometimes on EVMs, sometimes on voter lists, sometimes
[00:21:09] on SIR, sometimes on something else. If it keeps happening like this, the Election
[00:21:13] Commission will just keep holding press conferences. You question EVMs,
[00:21:16] you get a challenge from them. You question voter lists.
[00:22:20] BJP will have to say it, right? BJP will come, right? Rishabh Tiwari ji,
[00:22:24] I am coming, Chirag ji, I am coming in a while. Rishabh ji, tell me,
[00:22:27] what is the reason? First, this question they asked, that when
[00:22:31] there is talk about the Election Commission, BJP has to come, although I have told you why they have to come.
[00:22:35] But also tell me, why do you think
[00:22:38] that now, because of continuous
[00:22:42] election losses, the opposition
[00:22:45] has become frustrated and disappointed, and has come out on the streets, rejecting the mandate?
[00:22:49] है.
[00:22:58] to request that our other opposition friends sitting here, their statement
[00:23:02] should be taken first. I will respond
[00:23:04] to everyone. So it's good, you said it well. Chirag ji,
[00:23:08] Chirag ji, Rishabh wants to answer your points too. So,
[00:23:12] Chirag ji, tell me, this question is arising that as long
[00:23:15] as the government was in Delhi, it kept forming. You are the owner
[00:23:19] of Delhi. What do you mean? And everything was perfectly fine.
[00:23:22] The government was formed in Punjab. Very good. During
[00:23:26] this time, the Aam Aadmi Party became a national party.
[00:23:30] In many states, in Gujarat and Goa,
[00:23:33] and some other states, the Aam Aadmi Party's base grew. They got
[00:23:37] the status of a national party. Everything was fine. Lost Delhi, everything went wrong,
[00:23:41] Chirag ji. And in Punjab, if the situation does not seem
[00:23:45] favorable, then everything went wrong, Chirag
[00:23:47] ji.
[00:23:50] Yes, look, questions have been raised with the Election Commission
[00:23:54] from time to time. You mentioned Lal Krishna Advani ji. I will also mention the incident
[00:23:57] of 2014, when late
[00:24:01] Arun Jaitley ji, regarding a rally of Modi ji, said
[00:24:04] that they are not allowing the rally in Varanasi, everyone is with the government. He made such
[00:24:08] statements. So the very next day, the Chief Election Commissioner
[00:24:12] came and held a press conference. Back then, when a question
[00:24:15] was asked, an answer was given. Today, the names
[00:24:19] of 135 crore people
[00:24:44] you changed the stadium, so that means people want to come on the streets
[00:24:48] because it is an issue related to the people. If it were not an issue related
[00:24:51] to the people, why would people come on the streets? People would go about their work. They
[00:24:55] come on the streets because in a city like Delhi, when 47 lakh people vote,
[00:24:59] along with that, welfare schemes also go away. My right to
[00:25:02] vote goes away. If you look at Goa, 97 people's votes were cut.
[00:25:06] They are not linked to Form Eight. They are linked to Form Six, sir. They
[00:25:10] have become new voters. They will not be called old voters. If there is any
[00:25:14] scheme in Goa where they have to show their old residency, then this will not
[00:25:18] be valid.
[00:25:50] or if someone got their name registered incorrectly, what
[00:25:54] do we do? Whether it's 13 crore or 30 crore, why let them vote?
[00:25:58] What about those who have passed away from this world?
[00:26:01] Let their votes remain.
[00:28:03] 10 days before and secondly, your record has deteriorated. Last
[00:28:06] time in July, August, you caused so much hooliganism that your record deteriorated. How can
[00:28:10] you protest? If you say so, I will send you a copy. The Aam Aadmi Party submitted it on October
[00:28:14] 2nd for October 7th. Not a single approval was given. This
[00:28:18] is a cowardly government. It is afraid. It cannot
[00:28:21] talk
[00:28:22] to people.
[00:28:26] Prime Minister, all the questions have come. Rishabh, the answer,
[00:28:29] one is, if you lose this election, why do you think so?
[00:28:49] is being attempted to portray that they are scared, running away from us, not allowing protests. So let me tell them that this government is not afraid of anyone. It is definitely vigilant
[00:28:53] for the safety of its people and it is vigilant
[00:28:57] because when you are saying that protests are being allowed, within this very Delhi,
[00:29:00] we gave full freedom for 30 days and what
[00:29:04] was the result? Gathering anarchic elements and using
[00:29:08] abusive language, stone-pelting, and moving towards burning
[00:29:11] Parliament.
[00:29:15] I am asking a small question, Rishabh.
[00:29:18] I am asking a small question. You are saying the government is vigilant.
[00:29:22] This means you are admitting that there was a lack of vigilance
[00:29:25] in July, August. In the government's vigilance.
[00:29:28] Absolutely, I have no hesitation in admitting this.
[00:29:32] The government somehow trusted the youth who were supposed to come,
[00:29:36] but some people, disguised as youth, wanted to run a political agenda,
[00:29:40] today they are exposed. Today they are clearly
[00:29:43] the B team of political parties, because their A team,
[00:29:46] the political parties, have been rejected by the public. So a dummy
[00:29:50] team has been created so that they can infiltrate the public through it. This
[00:29:54] is the first issue. The second issue I come to is, what is being repeatedly
[00:29:57] said about hijacking, hijacking, the Bakipur assembly by-election,
[00:30:00] you remember, right? Our government... Bakipur also happened with it.
[00:30:04] Our MP was sitting. Our MLA was sitting.
[00:30:07] DM's so-called, according to you, we also
[00:30:11] have critics. According to you, how did we lose the sitting
[00:30:14] seat of the national president? How did we make such a big mistake?
[00:30:18] Apart from that, if we deliberately lost
[00:30:21] so that no questions are raised on us, then this is called the opposition's
[00:30:24] ththology. This is not the leader of the opposition, but the leader of ththology.
[00:30:28] I have no hesitation in saying this. And let me tell you,
[00:30:32] they describe their political frustration as the mood of the nation.
[00:30:36] The DU election happened in Delhi, the election happened with ballot papers,
[00:30:39] the youth did it, who have smartphones.
[00:30:43] Why didn't they win? Local body elections have also happened
[00:30:46] in some states. Local body elections have also happened in some states, sir,
[00:30:48] in Tripura. In Rajasthan, municipal elections,
[00:30:52] panchayat elections, local ADC elections, municipal body elections. Why didn't they win?
[00:30:56] They win there. Which EVM was there? Which Gyanesh Kumar was there? But no.
[00:31:00] That's why I say that some crowd,
[00:31:17] we all know how political parties bring people to the streets and
[00:31:21] always, always, such people are found.
[00:31:34] Inform the house, not anarchy on the streets.
[00:31:38] You say the people of the country are with you. When Abhijeet
[00:31:41] Dipke was arrested from the flight, not five people
[00:31:45] in the flight came out in his support. Instead, these slogans were raised:
[00:31:48] "Clean up the trash." You say the people of the country
[00:31:51] are clear. We saw that. We saw the childish
[00:31:55] behavior, the kind of things that happened before
[00:31:59] leaving, and then when he was arrested
[00:32:02] on the flight, he said, "Shame on you." So the public, a woman, said,
[00:32:05] "Shame on you," that you people do such things. We saw all these things.
[00:32:09] I will return, I will return after a short break. We will return after a short break to Rashtra Manch.
[00:32:13] There is a short break in Rashtra Manch now. When we return after the break, we will continue this discussion. A short
[00:32:17] break.
[00:32:21] So let's start part two of investing.
[00:32:24] Two ones are two. Two twos are four. Listen
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[00:33:15] Welcome back after the break. You are watching Rashtra Manch on DD News, and today on Rashtra Manch,
[00:33:19] the big issue and big debate is whether those rejected
[00:33:21] by the public are on the streets with anarchy. Today
[00:33:25] we are discussing this in a big debate. All our guests
[00:33:28] are also with us at this time. I directly go to Sameer Chaugule sir.
[00:33:31] हूं
[00:33:34] But before that, let me tell you as we told you in the beginning
[00:33:38] that BJP
[00:33:41] is now very aggressive on this attitude of the opposition and opponents.
[00:33:45] repeatedly more than one press conference, sometimes two,
[00:33:48] sometimes three, the party is doing and
[00:33:51] targeting the opposition and opponents on all these things. In this sequence, BJP spokesperson
[00:33:55] Sudanshu Trivedi also attacked the opposition.
[00:33:59] किया
[00:34:01] The division and anarchy
[00:34:04] campaign that is being run in the country because
[00:34:07] India is emerging in a very effective position
[00:34:10] and it is natural that many powers may not like it.
[00:34:14] Now you talk about emergency, if barricading
[00:34:18] is done within one kilometer, then someone
[00:34:22] sees emergency, do you know what emergency was?
[00:34:25] Today you sit here and speak whatever comes to your mind about the Prime Minister,
[00:34:28] baseless and irrelevant things, during emergency
[00:34:32] there was a rule DIR Defense of
[00:34:35] India Rule, if you just say in a public place
[00:34:39] that Indira Gandhi's government should be removed, you
[00:34:43] cannot get bail in jail,
[00:34:46] human rights were suspended,
[00:34:49] our fundamental rights
[00:34:52] in the constitution were suspended, the entire opposition was
[00:34:56] in jail, the
[00:34:59] was terminated,
[00:35:01] थी,
[00:35:04] so the restrictions, the precautionary measures that the police administration is taking,
[00:35:08] the BJP was doing about that and in fact this matter also reached the Supreme Court,
[00:35:12] the Supreme Court has also commented on this and the Delhi Police has its own side,
[00:35:15] let's directly connect with Sameer Chaugankar sir at this time, Sameer Chaugankar sir, on this very issue,
[00:35:19] I need your comment, your comment is needed that this matter went to the Supreme Court
[00:35:23] that how many restrictions, how many precautionary measures, the Supreme Court
[00:35:26] also heard this and after that the Supreme Court's comment also
[00:35:30] came, now the police administration around Jantar Mantar
[00:35:33] in the capital Delhi has restrictions,
[00:35:37] security measures, precautionary measures,
[00:35:40] how much right does the police administration have to implement them and secondly
[00:35:45] that in a democracy, there is full right to protest, but there is a limit,
[00:35:49] a लक्ष्मण रेखा, it is also the responsibility of the police administration
[00:35:52] to maintain it, Sameer sir,
[00:35:56] Look Lalchand ji, the entire responsibility of maintaining law and order rests with the police
[00:35:59] administration, it is their responsibility that in any protest,
[00:36:03] no anti-social elements should come, no violence should happen, this is the responsibility of the police administration
[00:36:07] and the police administration must have felt that with past
[00:36:10] experiences, that last time when we allowed the Congress Janata Party to sit at Jantar Mantar,
[00:36:14] barricades
[00:36:27] were put up, internet was shut down, metro was shut down, trains were stopped,
[00:36:31] although the Supreme Court said about this, the Supreme Court said that
[00:36:35] you reduced metro, we did not ask you to shut down metro, why did you shut down metro
[00:36:39] after that, why did you shut down internet, the Supreme Court
[00:36:41] issued a notice to the Chief Secretary Delhi Police Commissioner and
[00:36:45] MR Metro operation, asking them to submit their reply
[00:36:49] by Monday to Tuesday, so I think the administration will state its case,
[00:36:53] but the Supreme Court has also said that for order, wherever you feel
[00:36:56] necessary, you can
[00:37:00] barricade, there is no need to barricade the rest of Delhi, and
[00:37:03] then the police administration told the Supreme Court that the barricades
[00:37:07] have been removed, internet is on, trains and metro are on, but if someone
[00:37:11] keeps protesting, then other common people
[00:37:15] who have started Navratri today, who are going to see the Goddess, who
[00:37:18] are going to the market, who are small shopkeepers who earn their livelihood by selling small goods,
[00:37:22] they should not face any inconvenience, their livelihood
[00:37:26] should not be hindered. Maharaja, the police is also ensuring
[00:37:29] this arrangement and in such restricted areas where you
[00:37:32] are not allowed to gather a crowd, the police is stopping them from doing so, even
[00:37:36] after that you are breaking barricades and reaching there in every possible way, according to the news
[00:37:40] about Neha Bora, she reached CP again and tried
[00:37:44] to create a ruckus, so I think it is the responsibility of the police
[00:37:48] to maintain law and order, the Supreme Court's observations are in their place, but I think
[00:37:51] that today when the three people of the Janata Party, Abhijeet Dipke
[00:37:55] and Ashutosh Raka, okay.
[00:37:58] And when all three were released and they held a press conference and said that our movement
[00:38:01] will continue and tomorrow also we will continue it, Congress is going to do it tomorrow,
[00:38:05] so will Rahul Gandhi first have lunch at Jantar Mantar,
[00:38:09] first have lunch at Janpath, then go to the outer circle of CP
[00:38:12] for lunch, then he tries to go
[00:38:16] to Jantar Mantar and then goes to Rajghat, so has Rahul Gandhi called his
[00:38:20] MPs and leaders for lunch somewhere else tomorrow, after that is there a plan to go somewhere else,
[00:38:24] we will have to see what Rahul Gandhi does tomorrow? But I think
[00:38:28] that peaceful protest is everyone's right, if you want,
[00:38:31] take permission from the police administration, protest wherever the police administration allows
[00:38:35] you, do not commit any violence,
[00:38:39] in democracy, protests are allowed, riots are not allowed, you cannot be given permission to attack
[00:38:42] law enforcement agencies under its guise, okay, look
[00:38:46] whoever, whoever has come from somewhere else,
[00:38:49] okay, and is becoming a self-proclaimed youth leader,
[00:38:53] what can we say about their responsibility, their behavior
[00:38:57] has already been told, Delhi Police is also repeatedly saying
[00:39:00] it, but the renowned, old opposition parties
[00:39:04] of our country, we should definitely expect
[00:39:07] from them and their leaders, absolutely, and I am saying
[00:39:11] here, I am saying Advocate Shekhar Kumar ji, the way
[00:39:14] the Congress party and opposition parties asked for time from the President,
[00:39:18] the President called a delegation, they went and met, stated their case,
[00:39:21] then tomorrow they plan to meet the CJI,
[00:39:25] all this
[00:39:28] is still a way to register
[00:39:31] your complaint, whether your complaint has merit or not, but
[00:39:35] still you can register it, but apart from this, other things
[00:39:39] happen, Advocate Shekhar Kumar ji, as Sameer sir just said
[00:39:43] that they don't know where else they intentionally call for lunch, they call at CP,
[00:39:46] where railway stations etc. are all nearby, oh brother,
[00:39:50] there are so many big and good restaurants in Delhi
[00:39:53] in different areas, in Outer Delhi also and in South Ex etc. also and other
[00:39:57] जो
[00:40:27] their past report card is not good and now what you said
[00:40:31] about lunch that they go to Khan Market, you clarified one thing that
[00:40:35] no one can have lunch in Connaught Place with the support of Amit Shah ji
[00:40:38] and the day
[00:40:41] we are talking about the police, one minute, what is the report card of the Delhi Police we are talking about,
[00:40:45] was an FIR filed against the DCP in that slap
[00:40:49] that SHO Rathi was hitting a woman in her private parts with a stick,
[00:40:52] was an FIR filed against him or not?
[00:40:56] No if there is proof
[00:41:00] like if there is proof then like Rahul Gandhi
[00:41:03] ji, no no, Rahul Gandhi ji went and sat in the police station for several hours
[00:41:07] and got an FIR filed, so
[00:41:10] if the matter you are talking about has merit, then why did you leave
[00:41:14] that issue, tell me, sir, thank you for admitting
[00:41:18] that Delhi Police itself did not do it, Rahul
[00:41:21] Gandhi said, that's why the Supreme
[00:41:25] Court mentioned
[00:41:40] the court had to form a special committee looking at the conduct of the police
[00:41:43] and this is the same Delhi Police
[00:41:47] which under the leadership of Amit Shah in the NCRB data
[00:41:49] among all our Union
[00:41:53] Territories is number one in crime
[00:41:57] and has become the rape capital it is Amit Shah ji's leadership
[00:42:00] as without Delhi Police's arrest
[00:42:04] yesterday they will tell
[00:42:07] without detention they will tell
[00:43:40] 'Putting on saffron, putting on
[00:43:43] Sanjay hurts, putting on
[00:43:47] saffron is a crime, does saffron prick your eyes?
[00:43:50] If it were
[00:43:53] some other color instead of saffron, you wouldn't have any problem stealing, those who are the real saffron, that's it, that's it,
[00:43:56] that's enough, we went to the theft of temples, no, if there are facts
[00:44:00] on this issue, then go,
[00:44:03] go, for one person, you went and filed an FIR for several hours,
[00:44:07] if there are 100 such cases, then
[00:45:10] I don't have it. I'll tell you the second point. Come to the debate after removing political blindness
[00:45:14] and political deafness. Now I come to the topic, sir.
[00:45:18] You are saying that barricades are being put up, the police are deploying
[00:45:22] such heavy forces. Many times in the country, sir, today
[00:45:25] they are saying that there is an undeclared emergency. Now where are they saying it?
[00:45:29] Holding a press conference, sitting in the middle of Delhi
[00:45:32] on a mic, Modi ji, there is an undeclared emergency.
[00:45:36] Oh, you knew about the emergency, you must have covered it, sir, you are so?
[00:46:52] I have no hesitation in admitting, sir,
[00:46:56] that I was a full-fledged worker of BJP Yuva Morcha at that time
[00:47:00] and had already started, I was in politics,
[00:47:03] I was proud, I was happy that such a political party
[00:47:07] had come that questioned the dynastic culture in politics,
[00:47:11] slippers, small cars, simple
[00:47:14] life,
[00:47:17] after doing all that, all those things, people's hopes were broken, right,
[00:47:21] Chirag ji.
[00:48:22] and it has been followed up four times in the DCP office, till today
[00:48:26] no complaint has been made, this is hooliganism
[00:48:28] है
[00:48:33] because the person whose name you are taking, Advocate Shekhar Kumar ji also took his name, tell me, did the court not hear your
[00:48:37] plea when you went with this petition against it, I mean, will we have to go to court for everything,
[00:48:41] then it means there was police
[00:48:44] It means
[00:48:47] for everything you have to tell this
[00:48:50] means that in court
[00:51:22] The answer to that has been given many times on all media channels and the Sangh's
[00:51:26] officials have also given the answer to this. BJP spokespersons have also given it.
[00:51:30] No matter how many times we answer this, they don't want to listen. They only want to believe what
[00:51:33] is in their minds, so I think there is no point in discussing these things. We will always
[00:51:37] say what is the correct answer every time,
[00:51:41] you have told who Shyama Prasad Mukherjee formed the government
[00:51:45] with, but they will not believe this, they will always mention
[00:51:49] this, they will always mention that the people of the Sangh
[00:51:59] were recruiting into the British army, no, against Subhash Chandra
[00:52:03] Bose's freedom army,
[00:52:35] Okay, now I'll answer both your questions. You are mentioning Subhash Chandra Bose ji,
[00:52:38] the day Subhash Chandra Bose ji left India,
[00:52:41] five days before that, he came to Nashik to meet Keshav Baliram Hegde ji,
[00:52:45] he discussed with him how to form an army
[00:52:49] and at that time all this is a lie,
[00:52:53] look, all this is a lie,
[00:52:55] look,
[00:53:01] this is the lie.
[00:54:15] And if there is any decision anywhere, they will say that Congress distributed it,
[00:54:19] BJP will have to take responsibility. I don't know the name
[00:54:22] You are talking about Shyama Prasad Mukherjee,
[00:54:25] he was a minister in Jawaharlal Nehru's government.
[00:54:29] Why did he leave Jawaharlal Nehru's government
[00:54:32] Why?
[00:56:08] Because when there is a clash, the debate goes that far, but
[00:56:12] but in the present context, where we started that on the streets of Delhi
[00:56:15] and as they say repeatedly,
[00:56:19] Sudhanshu Trivedi was also telling the area, yesterday Samit
[00:56:23] Patra was telling the area that you people are calling the restriction within 100 meters
[00:56:27] as emergency, emergency, emergency, the whole country is running very well,
[00:56:30] Delhi is also running very well, if you want to do this for a few days, then
[00:56:34] do it because it seems that, from such an attitude, it seems
[00:56:38] that this will continue on the streets of Delhi for a few days, the government also faces a challenge
[00:56:42] of how to deal with it and it is absolutely clear that
[00:56:45] it will not be dealt with like July and August, this time the way of dealing with it seems different,