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[00:00:00] If you could only buy it when you were 18, what then?
[00:00:03] Um, now I'm used to being able to buy alcohol at 16, so I
[00:00:07] think it would be maybe a little strange also, because we have this party culture
[00:00:10] already as 16-year-olds in Denmark,
[00:00:13] so yes, I think I would get it in other ways maybe,
[00:00:17] because I'm so used to buying it
[00:00:20] to us is that the Russians are now, yes, and Frej, well, we talked a bit earlier here, that we were standing and we were going on TV news here,
[00:00:24] and you told me that you had been looking forward to turning 16, because then you were going to go out and buy some
[00:00:27] alcohol here, but what if that wasn't possible and... for some of you, wouldn't you wait a bit to
[00:00:31] drink? That's the whole point of this proposal here? Um, yes, I think we
[00:00:35] would, but at the same time, I still think you could get your parents to buy
[00:00:39] either or yes, know or some other older person and still
[00:00:43] be able to get hold of it, because it's not, I mean, it's not
[00:00:46] only now that people drink, but it has always been done, right?
[00:00:49] But just here at the end, if it became difficult, if it became, or difficult, if it
[00:00:53] became illegal simply, so you first have to buy it when you are of age, wouldn't you postpone
[00:00:57] drinking, that is, wait until you are a bit more mature
[00:01:00] and perhaps better able to control it. Uh, yes, definitely, I think I would drink less
[00:01:04] 100%, but I personally already started
[00:01:07] drinking at 14, and it wasn't even possible to buy alcohol then, so I
[00:01:11] got uh either parents or siblings to buy it for
[00:01:14] me, um, but yes, it might lessen it a bit
[00:01:18] also in this fishing culture we have in Denmark, and what about you, Frej, just
[00:01:22] at the end, yes, I mean, it might put a damper on how much you drink, yes,
[00:01:26] I think so. Hi, Cilie, now we're going to look at
[00:01:30] the weather. We will, and it will be a rather grey affair
[00:01:34] for most, but on the other hand also a rather mild autumn day
[00:01:37] out there. Here in the morning hours, it's almost exclusively on Bornholm that you get
[00:01:41] a little glimpse of sunshine here early in the day, while
[00:01:45] over the rest of the country it's generally rather grey and also a bit hazy
[00:01:48] out there, especially up through Jutland, where you can encounter some fog or
[00:01:52] mist in the late morning hours. Temperatures will
[00:01:56] reach around 17-18 degrees, locally perhaps a bit more than that when
[00:02:00] the afternoon starts, and if there are some
[00:02:03] breaks in the clouds around, then you can also reach these 20
[00:02:06] degrees, so it's a nice mild Tuesday. Late in
[00:02:10] the afternoon, some rain will come ashore, it will come from the west, so it will hit Jutland
[00:02:13] first, but during the late evening hours and throughout
[00:02:17] the night, it will spread to the rest of the country, and it can
[00:02:21] also locally feel like quite heavy
[00:02:23] rain.
[00:02:35] We are covering the latest news, it is regrettably not surprising, so states
[00:02:39] a written comment from Mette Frederiksen, after a Russian
[00:02:42] frigate fired at one of the air force's helicopters with
[00:02:45] so-called flares. Flares are pyrotechnics normally
[00:02:49] used as an attention signal at sea, but according to
[00:02:52] the defense, they were fired at one of their Fenwick helicopters, and
[00:02:56] the incident happened yesterday in international waters in the Baltic Sea,
[00:03:00] off Gæser, the defense states. It speaks
[00:03:04] for itself that it is very serious when a Russian frigate yesterday fired
[00:03:08] so-called flares at one of the defense's helicopters. But it
[00:03:12] is unfortunately not surprising, because it is part of the pattern that we see throughout
[00:03:15] Europe, with an increasingly aggressive and
[00:03:18] assertive Russia, which has intensified hybrid warfare
[00:03:22] against Europe. And which tests and challenges
[00:03:26] NATO, Russia wants to intimidate and sow discord.
[00:03:30] Our defense is to stand closer together and strengthen the defense of Denmark and
[00:03:34] Europe, yes, so says Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen today, and Foreign
[00:03:37] Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen says, it is completely
[00:03:41] unacceptable to have endangered human lives, therefore I have
[00:03:44] summoned the Russian ambassador for
[00:03:48] cooperation with the other NATO countries is also a talk about the incident. From the Danish side, we are working to ensure that all shipping can pass peacefully
[00:03:52] through Danish waters, but Russia
[00:03:54] is gradually shifting the boundaries of what they consider acceptable
[00:03:58] behavior, we cannot accept that, says the
[00:04:01] Foreign Minister.
[00:04:06] What we see here are archival footage of one of the defense's
[00:04:09] Fenwick helicopters during an
[00:04:10] certainly no doubt that the hybrid war that is exercise. The two Russian flares were
[00:04:13] fired while the defense's helicopter was routinely
[00:04:17] taking pictures of the Russian frigate in international
[00:04:21] waters off Gæssa. According to the defense, one
[00:04:24] flare passed close by the helicopter, and
[00:04:27] Defense Minister Jeppe Brous views the incident with great seriousness, he
[00:04:31] tells us, well, we
[00:04:35] The survey results are take it very seriously, I mean, it's serious when a Danish military helicopter
[00:04:37] is fired upon in international waters, which
[00:04:41] is monitoring a Russian frigate, and what
[00:04:44] is the level of seriousness, is this a hybrid attack? No,
[00:04:48] you can call it a hybrid attack, I mean, flares, pyrotechnics, are being fired at
[00:04:52] the helicopter, and that's of course serious, and first and foremost, it's
[00:04:55] important that nothing happened to the pilots and personnel on board, uh, and
[00:04:59] secondarily, nothing happened to the helicopter, but of course it's serious, because they
[00:05:03] are carrying out a task that we do all the time, namely keeping an eye on what's happening
[00:05:07] around Denmark, and we will continue to do that.
[00:05:11] Try to describe what such a helicopter does. Could it have provoked? Well,
[00:05:14] the helicopter takes pictures, for example, and looks at what's happening with a
[00:05:18] warship that's close to Denmark. There's nothing abnormal about that, it's the task
[00:05:22] the defense has, and it's the task the defense carries out, and they will continue to carry it out
[00:05:25] in the future, so I won't speculate on what caused
[00:05:29] the reaction from that. What it confirms
[00:05:33] active in relation to the West, and that they are also pushing the boundaries in relation to the
[00:05:37] actions they take. Is this the worst attack that has
[00:05:40] been from Russia against Denmark? Well, I won't go in and
[00:05:44] categorize that. We take it seriously, and that's why we
[00:05:47] are summoning the Russian ambassador for a talk. From
[00:05:50] opposition parties in Christiansborg, it also sounds like it's the right
[00:05:54] move for now, that the government has summoned the Russian ambassador
[00:05:58] for a talk. It's a serious situation we're in,
[00:06:02] and that it's absolutely crucial that the government acts as they do, that
[00:06:06] they immediately summon the Russian ambassador. Is that
[00:06:10] enough? Well, I think it is for now, because one must be
[00:06:13] aware that this is certainly not the last time that the Russians will try
[00:06:17] to pressure us to see where the limits are. Well, we think it's very good that the government
[00:06:21] has summoned the Russian ambassador for a very serious conversation. We also agree
[00:06:25] that article four and five uh are not necessary at this
[00:06:28] point in relation to NATO, but we also hope that
[00:06:32] the Danish government, the Minister of Defense, will have a talk with our
[00:06:35] allies in NATO about how we can jointly come up with a
[00:06:39] response, because we are strongest when we stand together.
[00:06:43] According to a military analyst, the incident off Gæser is an
[00:06:46] escalation of the conflict with
[00:06:48] Russia. This is a task
[00:06:51] that the air force has carried out for many
[00:06:55] years, uh, in connection with the passage of Russian and
[00:06:59] previously Soviet warships through Danish
[00:07:02] waters, they have routinely photographed
[00:07:05] them, and that has until now proceeded in the most peaceful way,
[00:07:09] that is, they might have been annoyed by it, but it has
[00:07:12] taken place in international waters and international
[00:07:15] airspace. The Russian frigate has the right to be there,
[00:07:19] and the Danish helicopter has had the right to be there, so it has been
[00:07:23] a kind of game that has been played over the years, and
[00:07:26] which has not given rise to any problems
[00:07:30] previously. Could
[00:07:32] the Russian action have been legitimate in any way?
[00:07:36] Well, one could imagine
[00:07:40] that if the Russian side had... thought that the helicopter was
[00:07:44] a danger to the frigate itself, that they would
[00:07:47] draw attention to it, I mean, that's the only thing I can see, but
[00:07:51] I find it very difficult to imagine that
[00:07:55] our pilots in the air force
[00:07:58] - extremely professional, and I cannot imagine that they would have
[00:08:02] done anything that could have provoked this
[00:08:05] in any way. We have asked the Russian embassy in Denmark for a
[00:08:09] comment from Ambassador Vladimir Babin, it has
[00:08:13] not yet
[00:08:13] been obtained.
[00:08:17] Two out of three children and young people between nine and 17 years old have in the past year been
[00:08:21] exposed to digital violations or other
[00:08:23] unpleasant experiences online here at home. This is shown by a new
[00:08:26] survey from Save the Children and the Tryg Foundation, which maps
[00:08:30] the extent of 12 different forms of digital
[00:08:33] violations. Most often it's on Snapchat where random
[00:08:37] people add me and sometimes I say yes to it to see if it's someone I
[00:08:40] know. And then it just ends up with them... and nude pictures and all sorts of things, there are also just a lot of people who
[00:08:44] have contacted me, and then it's also just videos like uh dead animals and
[00:08:48] car accidents and stuff, I was contacted by some of my
[00:08:51] friends' friends, um, and then they started
[00:08:54] writing a lot of unpleasant things, and like, I didn't
[00:08:58] know them, so I didn't really know what to do. The
[00:09:02] digital violations and unpleasant online experiences range from
[00:09:05] serious crimes, such as grooming attempts from adult strangers, to
[00:09:09] crude comments and harassment from peers. Save the Children has previously conducted
[00:09:13] similar surveys, and here the number has risen massively from
[00:09:16] 42% in 2021 to 66% this
[00:09:20] year. The experiences can have serious
[00:09:22] consequences.
[00:09:25] It shifts children and young people's ideas about their own worth and
[00:09:28] what others are worth. It can challenge their ideas about what
[00:09:31] boundaries they have, and because some of what the survey shows is
[00:09:35] that children increasingly consider some of this to be a condition of being
[00:09:39] online, we are actually also concerned about the extent to which
[00:09:42] their boundaries are shifted, which is associated with it.
[00:09:47] serious, according to Save the Children. It
[00:09:51] is the case that actually the majority of children and young people in Denmark
[00:09:55] between nine and 17 years old, who within the past year have had a very
[00:09:58] unpleasant experience online, and that ranges from
[00:10:02] adults reaching out to them for something, for example sending
[00:10:05] intimate pictures, some trying to extort them, some talking
[00:10:09] very badly to them, or them for example seeing uh a... videos of someone being
[00:10:13] killed or of animals being abused. I actually think
[00:10:16] that most adults, even though we know that it's
[00:10:20] hardcore, what's going on in children's and teenagers'
[00:10:24] feeds, even though... we know that, I still think we will be surprised,
[00:10:27] would be surprised, if we knew how wild it actually is,
[00:10:31] uh, and that calls in the highest degree for action from us
[00:10:35] adults, and us adults and that action, where should
[00:10:39] it come from, is it the politicians, is
[00:10:41] it the providers, who is it?
[00:10:44] Well, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that
[00:10:47] the tech giants themselves will take on this responsibility, on the contrary
[00:10:51] they make money from having a behavioral design that steals
[00:10:54] children's time and
[00:10:57] attention, and also some content that is uh
[00:11:01] deeply unpleasant, uh, they have had every opportunity to take responsibility, they haven't
[00:11:05] done it, and therefore we of course need political
[00:11:08] regulation, uh, now there will be a law that
[00:11:12] you have to be 15 to be on social media, that's a good
[00:11:16] first step, there's also a lot more to do, for
[00:11:19] example a ban on retention mechanisms, we also need
[00:11:23] a ban on harvesting data on children and
[00:11:27] young people under 18, it's like that childhood today is
[00:11:31] extremely commercialized, because a lot of their hours
[00:11:34] are actually spent being exposed to advertisements,
[00:11:38] and then as parents we can of course also do more
[00:11:41] than we do, some of what we at Save the Children know is effective,
[00:11:45] is if you make joint agreements in the classes that here in
[00:11:48] this class, we will adhere to the age limits on the
[00:11:51] various digital platforms and postpone the first smartphone until the child
[00:11:55] is 13 years old. Which is both Save the Children's and the authorities'
[00:11:59] recommendation. It has not been possible for Snapchat or Roblox to
[00:12:03] answer our questions, it is said, while TikTok has also not been able to
[00:12:07] give an interview. Meta refers to Instagram's new team
[00:12:10] profiles, which set limits on who can contact
[00:12:14] them, and what content they can access. Minister for Digitization Christina Egelund
[00:12:17] writes to us that the survey confirms her belief that
[00:12:20] the tech giants are not living up to their responsibility. Therefore, I am also glad that we are now
[00:12:23] introducing an age limit for social media, so we can shield children
[00:12:27] from the utterly horrific content that exists on many of the platforms. It
[00:12:31] doesn't solve the problem alone, but it is an important step
[00:12:34] forward.
[00:12:38] Two 16-year-old boys have been charged with the murder of a 25-year-old who died after a
[00:12:42] stabbing in Tilst on May 16th. This is announced by
[00:12:45] the public prosecutor's office at East Jutland Police. Four other young men are already
[00:12:49] imprisoned in the case. The two 16-year-olds
[00:12:52] will be brought before the court this morning
[00:12:55] in Aarhus.
[00:12:57] The US Supreme Court rejects Trump's attempt to tighten rules for
[00:13:01] mail-in ballots. Trump signed a decree in the spring, which among other things required
[00:13:05] that ballots only be sent to voters who were on
[00:13:08] special lists of mail-in voters in the
[00:13:11] individual states. At the same time, the president wanted
[00:13:15] the envelopes to be equipped with tracking, but the Supreme Court has
[00:13:18] now rejected this. The case has great significance for the midterm elections in
[00:13:22] November, as almost a third of American voters
[00:13:25] vote by mail, AP writes. A NATO fighter jet
[00:13:29] has shot down a drone in Lithuanian airspace. The country's
[00:13:32] president confirms this on X. It is now unclear where the drone comes from.
[00:13:36] But the president writes that, quote, in light of Russia's
[00:13:39] escalating aggression against Ukraine, such
[00:13:42] preparedness is of crucial importance for our
[00:13:45] region.
[00:13:49] The association of boarding schools wants to raise the age limit for alcohol sales to
[00:13:53] 18. That's the message in an open letter that the association has sent to
[00:13:56] Health Minister Ida Auken. The Boarding School Association believes that
[00:14:00] an unclear signal is being sent when the National Board of Health on the one hand recommends
[00:14:04] that young people under 18 do not drink alcohol, while on the other
[00:14:08] hand, 16-year-olds can buy
[00:14:10] various alcohol products, and instead the association wants a clear
[00:14:14] and distinct signal sent to young people and their parents that
[00:14:17] alcohol is not for children. We visited
[00:14:21] Vejstrup Efterskole in South Funen this morning. There was
[00:14:25] booing before the interview when principal Jakob Kramer said
[00:14:29] he supported an age limit of 18
[00:14:31] years. Well, I mean, people are booing, that's a signal that it means
[00:14:35] a lot to them, and they really want to be allowed to have some parties, and we actually think that young people
[00:14:39] should. This is about the fact that it's good to have some
[00:14:42] frameworks for holding parties, and when we have a health authority in Denmark that
[00:14:46] comes with recommendations, we also think that legislation should match that. It's a
[00:14:49] clear and distinct framework for students and parents and schools and for society.
[00:14:53] So yes, it's a good idea. Well, then I'll go straight over to some young people here,
[00:14:57] namely those who go to this school, the two of you here, um, yes,
[00:15:00] uh, Jacob says it's a good idea, Ellen, what do you think about
[00:15:04] this, I mean, you're 16, you could, you can go out and buy a beer or a
[00:15:08] Breezer or yes, alcohol but with a low percentage
[00:15:11] in it, uh, what if you could only buy it when you were 18, what then?
[00:15:15] Um, now I'm used to being able to buy alcohol at 16, so I
[00:15:19] think it would be maybe a little strange also because we have this party culture
[00:15:23] already as 16-year-olds in Denmark.
[00:15:25] So yes, I think I would get it in other ways
[00:15:29] maybe, because I'm so used to buying it now, yes, and Frej, well,
[00:15:33] we talked a bit earlier here, that we were standing and we were going on TV news here, and
[00:15:36] you told me. you had been looking forward to turning 16, because then you were going to go out and buy some alcohol here,
[00:15:40] but what if that wasn't possible, and for some of you, wouldn't you wait a bit to drink? That's the whole
[00:15:44] point of this proposal here? Um, yes, I think we would,
[00:15:48] but at the same time, I still think you could get your parents to buy either
[00:15:51] or yes, know or some other older person and still be able to get hold
[00:15:55] of it, because it's not, I mean, it's not
[00:15:58] only now that people drink, but it has always been done, right?
[00:16:02] But just here at the end, if it became difficult, if it became, or difficult, if it
[00:16:05] became illegal simply, so you first have to... buy it when you are of age, wouldn't you postpone
[00:16:09] drinking, that is, wait until you are a bit more mature and and perhaps better able to control
[00:16:13] it. Uh, yes, definitely, I think I would drink less
[00:16:16] 100%, but I personally already started
[00:16:20] drinking at 14, and it wasn't even possible to buy alcohol then, so I
[00:16:24] got uh either parents or siblings to buy it for me,
[00:16:27] um, but yes, it might lessen it a bit also
[00:16:31] in this fishing culture we have in Denmark, and what about you, Frej,
[00:16:34] just at the end, yes, I mean, it might put a damper on how much you drink,
[00:16:38] yes, I think so.
[00:16:40] Hi, Sili, now we're going to look at the weather. We
[00:16:44] will, and it will be a rather grey affair for most, but on the other
[00:16:47] hand also a rather mild autumn day out there. Here in
[00:16:50] the morning hours, it's almost exclusively on Bornholm that you get a glimpse of
[00:16:54] sunshine here early in the day, while over the rest of
[00:16:57] the country it's generally rather grey and also a bit hazy out there.
[00:17:01] Especially up through Jutland, you can encounter some fog or mist in the late
[00:17:05] morning hours. Temperatures will reach around
[00:17:09] 17-18 degrees, locally perhaps a bit more than that when the afternoon
[00:17:12] starts, and if there are some breaks in the clouds
[00:17:16] around, then you can also reach these 20 degrees, so it's
[00:17:19] a nice mild Tuesday. Late in the afternoon, some
[00:17:23] rain will come ashore, it will come from the west, so it will hit Jutland
[00:17:26] first, but during the late evening hours and throughout the night,
[00:17:30] it will spread to the rest of the country, and it can also still
[00:17:34] feel like quite heavy rain.
[00:17:43] No one can win the war, a continuation will only lead to the total
[00:17:46] destruction of both nations. So sounds
[00:17:49] the warning now from Zelensky's right hand, but is it
[00:17:52] true?
[00:17:56] Or does the warning come now, because Russia with new jet drones and
[00:17:59] ballistic missiles, bombard Ukrainian cities both
[00:18:03] day and night. It's the war's day right now on
[00:18:06] DR.
[00:18:21] Yes, in a moment, a number of politicians will meet
[00:18:24] in the Ministry of Defense, these are members of the defense political committee, when it happens after one
[00:18:28] of the defense's Fenwick helicopters was fired upon by a Russian frigate
[00:18:32] with signal, plus so-called flares. Therefore, we need to
[00:18:36] quickly go to you, Søren Larsen, because you are with the
[00:18:38] Minister of Defense.
[00:18:41] I am indeed, I am with Defense Minister Jeppe Bros, and Jeppe Bros, you have just summoned
[00:18:45] the defense committee,
[00:18:47] there was an incident yesterday evening, what is it that the defense committee needs to be
[00:18:51] informed about? Well, they need to hear a bit more about what I have
[00:18:55] also told you and the entire public about the incident that happened yesterday,
[00:18:58] uh, where uh a Danish military helicopter
[00:19:02] uh took a closer look at a Russian frigate that then fired
[00:19:06] some flares, some kind of uh, technique against this
[00:19:09] helicopter, it seems like a rather serious incident, but Frederiksen has also
[00:19:12] written about it, should one be concerned? One should
[00:19:16] at least take it seriously, and we do, and that is also why we
[00:19:19] react uh to the incident that happened yesterday. Do you take it
[00:19:23] so seriously that you would reach out to our international partners, for example in
[00:19:27] NATO? Yes, we are in continuous dialogue with our allies, we can
[00:19:31] also see a pattern that the Russians are becoming more risk-taking in the
[00:19:34] incidents we see, so we of course take it. We also saw Poland yesterday come out and report
[00:19:38] that they had found Russian drones 100 kilometers from Denmark. Has
[00:19:42] this escalated in the last few weeks? Well, there is
[00:19:48] underway, uh, and it is also in the public
[00:19:51] assessment, uh, that we see that Russia is pushing the
[00:19:55] boundaries in terms of how risk-averse they are.
[00:19:58] Thank you.
[00:20:02] Yes, and then we saw the Minister of Defense on his way into the Ministry of Defense, where
[00:20:06] he is going to receive the other politicians.
[00:20:10] Niels Fastrup, investigative journalist here at DR, you're on your phone, you're not
[00:20:14] doing that to be rude, Niels, it's because you're working
[00:20:17] at the same time. You uncovered Russian ships, hidden operations
[00:20:21] in Danish and Nordic waters, uh, so you have an
[00:20:24] insight into these things. So first and foremost, have
[00:20:27] the Russians become more risk-taking?
[00:20:30] Yes, there is, unfortunately, an escalation
[00:20:33] right now in the grey zone war, the shadow war, the hybrid war
[00:20:38] that is going on between Europe and Russia in the wake of the war in
[00:20:41] Ukraine, and has it escalated, now
[00:20:45] Jeppe Bro was asked about the last couple of weeks, but has it
[00:20:48] escalated over time? Niels, yes, at least that's
[00:20:51] what the sources I talk to, Nordic and European
[00:20:55] intelligence services, and also defense sources tell me, it is
[00:20:59] that they are now seeing an escalation, I can't say exactly
[00:21:02] when it started, but for example, there has also been this, this
[00:21:06] incredibly violent episode down in Germany with this
[00:21:09] drone attack, drones armed with explosives against some
[00:21:12] transport planes, which are also highlighted by the sources as an example of this
[00:21:16] escalation, so there is an escalation right now which... is
[00:21:20] connected to Russia being pressured and wanting to put pressure on
[00:21:23] us, because Russia is so pressured, and while you are talking, these are live
[00:21:27] images from inside the Ministry of Defense, it is the
[00:21:30] main entrance, and a number of politicians will meet in the
[00:21:34] Ministry of Defense, these are members of the
[00:21:36] defense committee, and as soon as we get some reactions from
[00:21:40] the politicians on this incident, we will of course
[00:21:44] report it, now I can see my good colleague Søren Larsen has taken over about Russia
[00:21:47] reacting as they do, and now we will go in and have a briefing,
[00:21:51] and then we will see what the Minister of Defense and the Chief of Defense
[00:21:55] tell us about why it happened. Do you think Article 4 should be invoked,
[00:21:58] that is, should we reach out to our European partners? I think that's a bit
[00:22:02] much right now in front of the cameras to talk about, we'll
[00:22:05] just get a briefing from the Chief of Defense, and then
[00:22:09] I assume that the government and the Minister of Defense have a
[00:22:12] proposal for how we communicate, uh, and
[00:22:15] I'm looking forward to hearing more about that, so you generally support the way the government has communicated
[00:22:19] so far. So far, I do, yes, I absolutely do, there's a difference between whether Russia intended
[00:22:23] to do this against a Danish ship, or whether it was an poorly trained crew, or what to say, what do you think
[00:22:27] about it, but I can't know anything about it, that's why the
[00:22:30] minister has been called for this briefing, and I would of course like to
[00:22:34] thank him for doing it on such short notice, what kind of answers do you
[00:22:38] want, what questions do you want answers to other uh the course of events, and
[00:22:41] why one believes that the Russian ship has reacted as they
[00:22:45] have, and what the reaction from the government should be,
[00:22:48] with the course of events, do you mean there? with, how the Danish helicopter has
[00:22:52] acted? No, I actually think that as it looks,
[00:22:55] the Danish defense has reacted as it should, uh, it's
[00:22:59] more a little uh, the Russians' reaction that is
[00:23:03] surprising, but we'll get clarification on that in a moment,
[00:23:06] right? But aren't you worried at all? We've seen Poland saying yesterday that they have
[00:23:10] found Russian drones 100 kilometers from the Danish border, aren't you worried at all?
[00:23:13] Well, it's not my job to be worried, my job well, it may be, my job
[00:23:17] as defense spokesperson for the Danish People's Party is to... ensure that we are ready
[00:23:21] to counter any threat, and now I'm getting a briefing
[00:23:24] hopefully. Thank you.
[00:23:27] Yes, those were the words of Alex Arensen, who is one of
[00:23:31] the members of the defense agreement circle, who will now go in and get a briefing
[00:23:34] from Defense Minister Jeppe Brus, this is the main entrance to the
[00:23:38] Ministry of Defense.
[00:23:41] And we must go back to the ministry and hear another
[00:23:43] reaction.
[00:23:51] that uh the Russians uh
[00:23:54] escalate uh not just in this case,
[00:23:58] but it's one among many, and it's
[00:24:01] uh an attempt to see if
[00:24:04] uh if we blink uh in our
[00:24:07] unity, and therefore it is important that all
[00:24:11] nations, both in Europe and NATO, stand
[00:24:15] together on how serious this is, but there's no doubt that we
[00:24:18] see that Russia also... in recent times has started to test boundaries
[00:24:22] to an extent we haven't seen before, can we keep calling the Russian
[00:24:26] ambassador for friendly talks? It's certainly the right thing
[00:24:29] to do in this situation, but
[00:24:32] besides that, it's clear that a closely coordinated
[00:24:38] crucially important, uh, that we uh keep each other updated,
[00:24:42] this applies to both the Nordic countries Europe and between the NATO countries,
[00:24:45] but are there limits to how much we should put up with? Yes, there are, and that's also what
[00:24:49] the Russians are.
[00:24:55] And and and there is, uh, of course, the attempt to see how far one can go, and therefore it is not something
[00:24:58] that Denmark as a nation alone should go through alone, it is
[00:25:01] crucially important, and what uh can scare
[00:25:04] the Russians is NATO and NATO unity, and therefore it is
[00:25:08] important that we stand shoulder to shoulder on this issue, but do you think we
[00:25:11] should we activate Article 4, where we
[00:25:14] announce that we are a country that has been uh
[00:25:18] not under attack, but where we can no longer stand alone in this threat? Well,
[00:25:21] so, it is a Russian military vessel firing
[00:25:25] at a Danish military helicopter, um, and it may well be
[00:25:29] that it is not with traditional military
[00:25:32] weapons being used, but nonetheless, it is very, very serious,
[00:25:35] uh, and therefore it is entirely appropriate that
[00:25:38] the ambassador is brought in for a conversation, and furthermore, that there is
[00:25:42] close cooperation between the other defense nations in
[00:25:46] coordinating this issue, precisely because it is not merely a matter of...
[00:25:50] an attack against a Danish military helicopter, it is also an attack
[00:25:54] near the Polish border, it is several places we have
[00:25:57] seen that they are testing boundaries, but what is next then, more
[00:26:00] sanctions? "Well, now I'm going to a
[00:26:04] military-technical briefing in the
[00:26:07] Ministry of Defense, and then the most important thing is that we stand
[00:26:10] together, there's no doubt that the Russians are of course hoping that there are countries in Europe that
[00:26:14] start to blink. What do you think Russia would have done if the scenario
[00:26:18] had been reversed, a Danish ship that had fired
[00:26:22] flares or distress flares uh at a Russian helicopter,
[00:26:25] well, I can't answer that, it's hypothetical, but it doesn't change the fact
[00:26:29] that we don't make such provocations. Uh,
[00:26:32] but it's the Russians who are the aggressor, and it wouldn't come naturally
[00:26:36] to us to do that, and therefore it is crucial that
[00:26:40] we now stand together against the pressure they are trying to
[00:26:43] create.
[00:26:50] Yes, that's Thomas Danielsen, whom we now see going into the
[00:26:53] Ministry of Defense, it's inner city, it's close to Kongens
[00:26:56] Nytorv, where the Ministry of Defense is located, he is one of the members of the
[00:27:00] defense agreement group, who will now go in and get a professional
[00:27:03] military briefing, that's what Jeppebros the defense minister said, here
[00:27:07] in the studio, I also have the company of our defense correspondent Mads
[00:27:10] Korsager, glad you are also sitting with Niels Fastrup and me Niels
[00:27:13] Fastrup who is an investigative journalist, and right now we are just
[00:27:17] broadcasting, because we are following what is happening here, following the political
[00:27:20] reactions, so we must of course get all the
[00:27:22] information out, as we can about the incident that also
[00:27:26] happened last night, where there was a Russian frigate,
[00:27:30] which uh, which...
[00:27:32] fired so-called flares at a Danish
[00:27:36] helicopter, luckily no one was harmed,
[00:27:39] but that's what we are going to talk about now,
[00:27:43] and I would like to start by asking you Mads, because we hear from the politicians here, yes
[00:27:47] we must stand together, and I have also noticed that they really
[00:27:50] stand together, that is, they are just holding hands, now we are going
[00:27:53] to one of the members again, an increased intensity of provocations from
[00:27:57] Russia, this is not an exception, and we must handle this with the
[00:28:01] utmost seriousness we possibly can. Can you be sure of the explanation that has
[00:28:04] been given so far, that is, can you be sure that the Danish helicopter
[00:28:08] has not provoked, for example, and come close to the
[00:28:11] frigate? I assume that the Danish helicopter
[00:28:15] has adhered to the rules in this area, uh,
[00:28:18] and whether that is the case, I will hear in a moment when I go in to the minister, but I
[00:28:22] strongly expect that. Don't you think that Russia has soon crossed a line for what the Danish
[00:28:26] society should tolerate? This is an obvious
[00:28:29] escalation, uh, and we have seen a series of. uh
[00:28:33] situations, incidents lately, which are an obvious escalation from
[00:28:36] the Russian side, and we must be very careful about how we respond
[00:28:40] to it, both from NATO's perspective, but also with our European
[00:28:43] glasses on, and we must coordinate very closely with our European neighbors,
[00:28:47] our Nordic neighbors, how we handle this, but should it have a real consequence that one can feel
[00:28:51] and touch? Now I just want to hear what the minister says first, and then
[00:28:54] we'll take it from there, but isn't there
[00:28:57] a point that the Russians keep pushing these boundaries
[00:29:01] while the Western countries. including Denmark, just sit back and
[00:29:04] accept it. This is designed to
[00:29:08] test our reactions from the Russian side. Uh, and
[00:29:12] challenge how far they can actually go, while
[00:29:16] they try to expose NATO's
[00:29:19] weaknesses, at least in their eyes, and we must be very
[00:29:22] careful about how we respond to it, we must stay within the rules and frameworks
[00:29:26] that apply in this area, so we do not unnecessarily escalate
[00:29:29] anything, and at the same time we must coordinate very closely to... ensure
[00:29:33] a better overview of what is happening in our waters and in our airspace, and
[00:29:37] have a clear understanding with each other of how we react to these
[00:29:40] provocations. But what do you think would have happened if it was the other way around, and
[00:29:44] Russia had been exposed to a Western country that had sent a
[00:29:47] flare at them, how do you think they would have reacted? I won't
[00:29:50] speculate on that, but I don't think we should compare ourselves to Russia when we talk about how we should
[00:29:54] react to provocations and other things, uh, the Russian
[00:29:58] way of acting is not a role model in my eyes, now I will be allowed to go in.
[00:30:02] Now comes, and that was Anne Valentina
[00:30:06] Bertelsen from SF, and the next one to come is Enger Strøjberg,
[00:30:10] who is on her way from
[00:30:12] the Denmark Democrats,
[00:30:14] and we are standing here because in a moment Jeppe Brus will hold
[00:30:18] this briefing for the defense spokespersons in the Parliament, who will hear about the
[00:30:22] incident that happened late last night, where a Danish
[00:30:25] helicopter was fired at with a kind of distress flare
[00:30:29] by a Russian ship, as it was photographing. But we are waiting
[00:30:32] for Enger Støjberg, she is standing, she is stuck, he said
[00:30:36] in the pedestrian crossing
[00:30:38] over there, and it will be in a moment that Jeppe Bros, he will just
[00:30:41] brief, and I guess and expect that it is just the first
[00:30:45] of a series of meetings that will be about.