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[00:05:29] the nature park in Järvamaa, Totsikannu, is quite
[00:05:33] noisy right now, because the Red Deer are in rut, or mating season,
[00:05:36] so to speak, the time of the deer bulls,
[00:05:40] but the animal of the year, the Hedgehog, is preparing
[00:05:43] for winter. We'll hear more about it on Monday after the ten
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[00:06:47] Foreign Affairs Hour.
[00:06:53] Germany's former intelligence chief August Hanning was detained on suspicion of
[00:06:56] espionage and treason. In Monday's foreign affairs hour, we will discuss
[00:07:00] the extent, meaning, and impact
[00:07:03] of the largest intelligence scandal of recent decades
[00:07:06] on security. Historian Ivo Juurvee, Riigikogu member Erik
[00:07:10] Niiles Kross, and Member of the European Parliament Rihoterras will join us in the studio.
[00:07:14] The foreign affairs hour will be broadcast on Monday after the two o'clock news.
[00:17:45] Peace Prize, because the new laureate has been
[00:17:48] announced, who is Namanithem, Navi,
[00:17:52] Vlai, how unexpected was it that this
[00:17:56] name was announced today as the new laureate? Well, there's always
[00:17:59] a lot of unexpectedness with peace laureates, because there was never
[00:18:03] a public list of candidates, not in any year. There
[00:18:06] usually are these lists from which
[00:18:10] the Norwegian Nobel Peace Committee selects them
[00:18:14] from a couple of hundred names, and although
[00:18:17] here the betting offices also put forward their own candidates,
[00:18:20] his name certainly didn't come up there, among the favorites were considered
[00:18:24] this association in Ukraine that tries to get children back from Russia, who have been
[00:18:28] deported there, as well as a Sudanese aid organization, so in that
[00:18:31] sense it can be said that it was a surprise, but but the true prize, it's a surprise
[00:18:35] every year and perhaps
[00:18:37] it's also good that it's not so definitively predictable, that some playful
[00:18:41] aspect remains in this serious world,
[00:18:44] but before we talk about what Navi has exactly
[00:18:48] done in life and achieved, for which she received this prize, let's see
[00:18:52] how she herself reacted to the news.
[00:19:08] "your applause means a great deal to me,
[00:19:12] really, you don't want to receive an award prize or
[00:19:15] anything, unless the public agrees that you
[00:19:18] deserve this, so that that's how I appreciate
[00:19:22] your applause today, thank you so much, but being a lawyer and a
[00:19:26] judge, I still want to verify this
[00:19:28] thing,
[00:19:30] I think it's very appropriate that I would friends and
[00:19:33] colleagues, all of whom support human rights."
[00:20:07] Emiax, because the 85-year-old lady
[00:20:10] and her background is in that sense very colorful, as she is from
[00:20:14] South Africa, but she is an ethnic Tamil from there, meaning
[00:20:18] actually those people from India who migrated there already in the mid-19th
[00:20:21] century, and she is also one of those who, for example,
[00:20:24] defended Nelson Mandela when Nelson Mandela and his fellow fighters were
[00:20:28] in prison, so in that sense she has a very colorful background, and indeed in recent
[00:20:31] decades she has been in international courts,
[00:20:35] in the International Criminal Court as well.
[00:20:39] an investigative unit, which then gave an assessment of
[00:20:42] Gaza last year and indeed called it genocide,
[00:20:45] so in that sense, her services to the international
[00:20:49] community are very numerous. What is
[00:20:52] the main focus, what is the biggest thing? Human rights,
[00:20:56] human rights in the broadest sense, and she has also been involved
[00:20:59] in one, let's say, such legal research that
[00:21:03] fundamentally stated from the point of view of international
[00:21:06] law that sexual crimes can also be
[00:21:09] considered a form of genocide, so
[00:21:12] in fact this is a very important contribution she has
[00:21:16] made to how genocide, for example, is understood in the context of international
[00:21:20] law, so, well, also in the case of the Gaza issue
[00:21:23] itself, right, we talk about genocide, so that, how we generally
[00:21:27] define genocide, she has also played a very big academic role
[00:21:31] in that. Well, let's get to that same Israeli issue and the genocide
[00:21:35] issue, right, I'll put them together in one sentence as a pair of words, because the Israeli
[00:21:38] government has reacted very sharply to this and says that it's almost
[00:21:42] a parody what is happening now, that a peace prize is given to such a person and it only
[00:21:45] incites hatred against Israel. How do
[00:21:49] you comment on that? "What the world media writes about? It's not
[00:21:52] surprising, and similarly, the US has also been critical,
[00:21:55] that if in that same clip she said, if you clap even louder,
[00:21:59] I'll give it to Trump, then actually that joke about last year, when
[00:22:03] the Venezuelan opposition leader gave his prize to
[00:22:06] Trump, that in that sense there's nothing
[00:22:09] surprising about the reactions, and even more, today, for example, a few hours after
[00:22:13] this news, the US announced that it would impose new sanctions on the International Criminal
[00:22:17] Court, so in that sense..." "What does that
[00:22:20] mean, that new sanctions will be imposed,
[00:22:24] restrictions will be placed on the financing of the International Court,
[00:22:28] on the travel of members of the International Court, for example, on the issuance
[00:22:31] of visas, because Navi is associated with it, let's say that the
[00:22:34] timing is symbolic, that they come today, but
[00:22:38] of course both the US and actually Israeli attacks
[00:22:41] against the International Criminal Court have been
[00:22:44] widespread, it must of course be noted that neither Israel nor
[00:22:47] the US have themselves joined this
[00:22:51] statute, and even more, the International Criminal Court has actually issued
[00:22:55] an arrest warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu, who is the Prime Minister of Israel,
[00:22:58] as well as of course for Russian President Vladimir Putin,
[00:23:02] so in that sense we live in
[00:23:05] an era where major powers, including the US,
[00:23:08] but also Russia, China, all who are not members of this court,
[00:23:12] very clearly attack this
[00:23:15] system, which says that somewhere there exists some
[00:23:18] higher body that has the right to
[00:23:22] give assessments, such as whether what is happening in Gaza is genocide or not, because, well, we
[00:23:25] live in an era where these major powers at least think that those
[00:23:29] countries that have power, they dictate what is right and what is not
[00:23:32] in international relations more broadly, so actually
[00:23:36] this is the context in which it is situated, and therefore this criticism today
[00:23:39] from Washington or Tel Aviv is not
[00:23:43] surprising at all. If we set these two aside, then what has the general
[00:23:47] reaction been? Well, these
[00:23:50] brief moments from her life that I read out are
[00:23:53] actually worth rewarding
[00:23:57] or acknowledging, and in that sense, still considering
[00:24:00] that all NATO member states, except the US and Turkey,
[00:24:03] are also members of this International Criminal Court, where again
[00:24:07] today's laureate has
[00:24:10] worked for a long time, so in that sense, well, the vast majority of what we
[00:24:14] call the democratic world still recognizes
[00:24:17] this decision, and also
[00:24:20] the news was received in Nuremberg,
[00:24:24] which is also quite symbolic. A very interesting coincidence,
[00:24:27] yes, yes, so in that sense, I would say
[00:24:30] that it has been widely recognized that this award
[00:24:34] is for a good cause, that we have certainly perhaps shrugged more in previous
[00:24:37] years, perhaps also in 2009, when US President Barack Obama received it,
[00:24:41] right, so in that sense,
[00:24:44] based on these initial reactions, I would dare to say that it is still predominantly
[00:24:48] a supportive attitude. What is
[00:24:50] the current
[00:24:53] taste of the Nobel Peace Prize?
[00:24:56] Is it still highly coveted, everyone still desperately wants
[00:25:00] to get it, and if it somehow goes awry again, then you think, oh, well,
[00:25:04] it's not quite what it used to be, and
[00:25:07] anyway, let Norway do what Norway wants, and perhaps
[00:25:11] it can be said in that sense that disappointment
[00:25:14] creates that sour grapes moment, that "oh, I didn't want it anyway," I would
[00:25:18] still say that in such "wider diplomacy, perhaps,
[00:25:22] it is still a very great recognition, so in that sense, to be a Nobel
[00:25:26] Peace Prize laureate is still something you would
[00:25:29] certainly highlight highly on your CV, so in that sense it is
[00:25:32] recognition for a very great
[00:25:35] contribution in the name of the highest
[00:25:39] ideal, which is peace, so
[00:25:42] truly peace, peace should still be, especially
[00:25:45] considering the horrors of the 20th century, something we strive for every day,
[00:25:49] right. And in that sense, I would still consider it a very, very
[00:25:52] prestigious award. If we also think about what the general background
[00:25:56] is, then currently the focus is on human rights. Is
[00:26:00] this also in some way significant, why human rights, why now, why this
[00:26:04] topic? Well, human rights are still under a very
[00:26:07] great attack, right, that we truly
[00:26:11] see that also regarding Gaza, well, we can discuss
[00:26:14] this, especially here in October, right, where now the third year has passed, right, since
[00:26:18] the October 7th attack on Israel, that at that time, right, the world
[00:26:22] acknowledged that what was done to Israel was horrible, but if we look now
[00:26:26] at how the war has progressed over three years, well, then we actually
[00:26:29] still see the horrors that Israel itself has
[00:26:33] perpetrated, right, and not just in Gaza, but also actually on the West Bank, and something that has been condemned
[00:26:36] for decades, which goes against all international law, so in that sense we still
[00:26:40] see that international law as a concept is still
[00:26:44] under a very great attack, and if I mentioned Russia
[00:26:48] and China earlier, right, as countries that do not really recognize
[00:26:51] such concepts, well, these are already the majority, right, of the UN Security
[00:26:55] Council, of that body that should be somehow in the role of a world
[00:26:59] policeman, so in that sense we are still in a situation where all
[00:27:02] the stronger part of the world
[00:27:06] is rather against us having some
[00:27:09] more universal human rights, that
[00:27:11] the most powerful countries in the world, the USA and China, for example, are against it,
[00:27:15] so in that sense I think that is still significant and
[00:27:18] therefore actually important, that this award is in the right place. Thank you, Indrek Leppik,
[00:27:22] for coming to Ringvaade today to cover this award,
[00:27:26] but yesterday the Nobel Literature Prize was also awarded, and it
[00:27:29] was won by Canadian writer Ann Carson, who is
[00:27:33] known for her hybrid style, in which she mixes poetry and prose and
[00:27:36] combines contemporary stories with ancient myths, and we
[00:27:40] will immediately listen to excerpts from what she herself said about the award
[00:27:44] in a telephone interview with the Nobel Committee.
[00:27:46] have you given any thought about what
[00:27:49] this Nobel Prize means to you?
[00:27:53] No, no, I don't, I don't have,
[00:27:55] we're just thinking of ways to give the money away, we have a friend who needs
[00:27:59] a house. and we have we always give a lot to
[00:28:03] Doctors Without Borders, it seems
[00:28:06] a little insane, I think you're all
[00:28:09] insane, why does it feel crazy and and
[00:28:12] insane, you didn't expect this, well who was expected
[00:28:16] for heaven's sakes,
[00:28:18] how will you celebrate
[00:28:21] this unexpected news?
[00:28:24] Um, we're going to go out walk in the woods so that we don't have to
[00:28:28] answer the phone to be? We introduce you to an Estonian scientist
[00:28:40] who studied the genetic history of Munda and Austronesian
[00:28:44] language-speaking peoples.
[00:29:03] In today's foreign news, we can follow the rescue of a stray dog and
[00:29:07] an abandoned snow leopard cub.
[00:29:09] On Wednesday night, there wasn't a dry eye
[00:29:13] at Buenos Aires' Monumental Stadium, because
[00:29:16] football legend Lionel Messi played his last
[00:29:20] national team game for Argentina. This happened in a
[00:29:24] friendly match against Benin, where Messi converted
[00:29:27] a penalty in the 71st minute and thus secured a
[00:29:30] 3-0 victory. Of course. The celebration was grand both
[00:29:34] at the stadium and in the streets. Messi himself, however, said that he would like to play
[00:29:37] forever, because representing Argentina is the most beautiful
[00:29:41] thing that can happen to a person.
[00:30:51] center was opened that combines industry and entertainment.
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