ESPRESO — broadcast 20260806 060000 UTC 482 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:12] Let us honor with a minute of silence the memory of Ukrainian [00:00:16] soldiers and civilians of Ukraine who died in the [00:00:19] war unleashed by [00:00:22] Russia. [00:01:10] The city lives, drinks coffee, plans [00:01:13] vacations, takes stories, the windows [00:01:16] don't shine, children laugh, squares [00:01:19] are full, it's comfortable, warm, [00:01:22] quiet, [00:01:26] but this silence is fake. [00:01:35] Every minute is worth blood, you live in [00:01:38] an illusion, in the illusion that the war is somewhere far away, [00:01:42] an illusion is not a bulletproof vest, [00:01:45] wake up, everyone can be useful, every [00:01:48] gesture, every action is important, [00:01:52] the war will not end without [00:01:54] you. [00:03:43] Warsaw-Kyiv, the most important news at this hour, I will tell you in detail. [00:03:46] Three people died due to Russian strikes [00:03:49] on Balakliia in Kharkiv region. This was reported by the head of the city military [00:03:52] administration Vitaliy Karabanov. The occupiers twice attacked the residential [00:03:56] microdistrict of the city. The first strike destroyed a private house, [00:04:00] a woman, a fire broke out at the scene, the second arrival happened near another [00:04:04] house and claimed the lives of a man and a woman, relevant [00:04:07] services are working at the sites [00:04:09] of enemy strikes. [00:04:12] And one person died, four more were wounded as a result of enemy attacks in [00:04:16] Zaporizhzhia region, reported the head of Zaporizhzhia Regional Military Administration [00:04:20] Ivan Fedorov. During the day, the occupiers launched over a thousand [00:04:23] strikes on 66 settlements [00:04:26] of the region, 77 [00:04:30] infrastructure facilities, housing and [00:04:32] cars. [00:04:35] And in July, Ukraine recorded the largest number of civilian casualties [00:04:38] since April 2022. This was [00:04:41] reported by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. According to the [00:04:45] organization, the main reason was the intensification of Russian attacks using [00:04:49] ballistic missiles and long-range drones, [00:04:53] only as a result of a massive strike on Kyiv and the region on the night of August 5, [00:04:56] at least 17 civilians died and [00:05:00] were wounded. The UN also noted that in the first half of this [00:05:04] year, they confirmed the death [00:05:06] of 1396 [00:05:08] Ukrainian civilians and the wounding of almost 8 thousand people. [00:05:12] This is 37% more than in the same period [00:05:16] last year. [00:05:20] Uninterrupted operation of electricity, heat and water supply systems, [00:05:23] protection of critical infrastructure facilities, strengthening [00:05:26] of air defense and development of a network of shelters. [00:05:29] The National Security and Defense Council approved Kyiv's [00:05:33] resilience plan. The document aims to prepare the capital for possible [00:05:36] Russian attacks on critical infrastructure during [00:05:39] the autumn-winter period, which is supposed to begin normally [00:05:43] in mid-October, said NSDC Secretary Ihor [00:05:46] Klymenko. According to him, the implementation has already begun. [00:05:50] We remind you that in March, the NSDC approved comprehensive [00:05:53] resilience plans for regions and individual [00:05:56] cities. [00:05:59] Ukraine is negotiating with neighboring countries to [00:06:02] ensure the uninterrupted operation of solidarity lanes [00:06:06] for grain exports. This was stated by the head of the Ministry [00:06:09] of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Andriy Sebiha. According to the [00:06:12] official, consultations are ongoing with Moldova, Romania, [00:06:16] Slovakia, Hungary and Poland. And the solidarity [00:06:19] lanes are alternative logistical routes [00:06:22] that the European Commission created in May 2022 [00:06:26] after the blocking of Ukrainian seaports. They [00:06:30] ensure the export of products and the import of necessary [00:06:33] goods by various roads and waterways. [00:06:37] waterways. [00:06:41] In the Russian city of Yaroslavl, explosions were heard at night during a drone [00:06:45] attack, the Slaneft oil refinery [00:06:48] could have been hit, Telegram channels write. [00:06:51] The governor of Yaroslavl region confirmed the attack, according to him, traffic [00:06:55] was temporarily blocked at the exit from Yaroslavl in the direction of Moscow. Local residents [00:06:58] also reported on social networks [00:07:02] that they saw drones over the city and heard [00:07:05] explosions. [00:07:12] Another underground tunnel, which was probably prepared for illegal migration, [00:07:16] was discovered on the border of Lithuania and Belarus, this was reported by the [00:07:20] State Border Guard Service of Lithuania. The object [00:07:23] was found on August 4 near the village of Letris, [00:07:27] Letežeris using special equipment provided by Polish [00:07:30] border guards. The passage was incomplete after [00:07:33] investigative actions were carried out, it was filled in. This is not [00:07:37] the first such case, law enforcement officers [00:07:38] note. [00:07:43] Poland handed over a new list of places for exhumations to Ukraine. [00:07:47] A meeting of the intergovernmental working group on dignified [00:07:50] burials was held in Lviv. The results of the implementation [00:07:53] of the agreements reached during the previous meeting in Warsaw [00:07:57] last year were summarized. This was reported by the first deputy minister of culture Ivan [00:08:00] Verbytskyi. He noted that the Ukrainian side issued all [00:08:04] permits for work in agreed locations on the territory of our [00:08:07] state. Polish colleagues handed over a list of places for further [00:08:11] work on the territory [00:08:13] of Ukraine. [00:08:17] New in politics, tough in his decisions and sensitive to [00:08:20] historical topics. Such words can describe the current President of Poland [00:08:24] Karol Nawrodski. Exactly a year ago, after winning the [00:08:28] presidential elections, he took an oath to the people. What [00:08:31] did the leader of the neighboring country remember during this period, [00:08:35] see in our [00:08:36] material. [00:08:43] August 6, 2025, Karol [00:08:45] Nawrodski and his wife Marta cross the threshold of the plenary hall [00:08:49] of the Sejm after the solemn performance of the anthem, the newly elected President [00:08:53] of Poland takes the oath. Solemnly [00:08:56] swear to remain faithful to the provisions [00:08:59] of the Constitution, to remain faithful to the provisions [00:09:02] of the Constitution. Steadfastly stand guard [00:09:06] over the dignity of the people. Steadfastly stand guard over the dignity [00:09:10] of the people. [00:09:21] and the good of the homeland and the welfare of citizens will always [00:09:25] be my highest duty, will always be [00:09:28] my highest duty. Nawrodski, an independent candidate [00:09:32] supported by the Law and Justice party, won in the second [00:09:35] round of elections in June 2025, [00:09:38] before entering politics, he headed the Institute of National Remembrance. [00:09:42] and conducted his campaign under the slogan Poland first, [00:09:45] Poles first. I believe in Poland and will fight [00:09:49] for it. I can say with full responsibility [00:09:52] that I am ready to represent all [00:09:55] Poles. He gathered voters around him with [00:09:59] rhetoric regarding Ukraine, declared a tough stance on [00:10:03] Kyiv, advocated limiting social support for war [00:10:06] migrants, and questioned the Euro-Atlantic prospects [00:10:09] of our state. [00:10:12] As of now, I do not see Ukraine as a member of either the EU or [00:10:16] NATO. A country that is not able to answer for a very [00:10:20] cruel crime against 120 thousand of its [00:10:22] neighbors cannot be. [00:10:27] There were also public scandals around his person, the media [00:10:31] wrote about his connections with football fans and accused him of working for [00:10:35] a security firm that allegedly escorted prostitutes. Nawrodski himself [00:10:38] called everything [00:10:40] slander. [00:10:44] After taking office, he began to fulfill his promises. In August [00:10:47] 2025, he vetoed amendments to the law that [00:10:51] provided for social payments for children 800+ and extended [00:10:55] temporary protection for Ukrainians, instead proposing [00:10:58] to link aid to employment and [00:11:01] compulsory education of children in school, during Volodymyr [00:11:04] Zelensky's visit to Warsaw in December, he reproached the Ukrainian authorities for [00:11:08] ingratitude, which once again earned him public sympathy. [00:11:12] How Nawrodski intends to guard [00:11:15] the security of the state became known in March 2026. [00:11:19] The President vetoed the European Defense [00:11:23] Loan program "Save". Soon after, the streets of Poland were filled with protests, and [00:11:26] the government had to look for plan [00:11:28] B. [00:11:34] In total, during the first year of his term, the Polish president blocked a record [00:11:38] number of laws - 41, and also took away the Order of the White [00:11:41] Eagle from Volodymyr Zelensky. The leaders managed to talk [00:11:44] face-to-face again during the NATO summit in Ankara. However, [00:11:48] regarding historical issues, according to Nawrodski himself, it was not [00:11:50] possible to agree. I would add that despite [00:11:54] the waves of tension in Polish-Ukrainian relations, Nawrodski's position on [00:11:58] Russia's war against Ukraine is unchanged. He calls Putin [00:12:02] a threat to Europe and calls for pressure on Moscow, and among [00:12:05] the priorities of his first year in office are strengthening [00:12:09] Poland's security, adjusting policy towards Ukraine, regional [00:12:13] cooperation and striving for permanent membership in the G20. [00:12:16] On July 29, Ibris sociologists conducted [00:12:20] a survey, according to which more than 51% [00:12:23] trust the current president. [00:12:31] The Court of Appeal postponed the consideration of the case regarding the return of the Fifth Channel [00:12:35] to the T2 digital air. The next session was scheduled for [00:12:39] September 16 due to the absence of a representative of the Concern for Radio Broadcasting, [00:12:43] Radio Communications and Television. On the Fifth Channel, it is believed that this [00:12:46] concern may be involved in disconnecting the broadcaster from the network. [00:12:50] The broadcaster hopes that after the continuation of the consideration, the court will make [00:12:53] a decision on its return to the digital air. [00:12:56] We remind you that in April 2022, the Fifth Channel, Pryamyi and Espreso [00:13:00] were switched off from the T-2 digital air without any explanation. The illegal [00:13:04] shutdown of the three channels was previously condemned by the European Commission and [00:13:08] the US Department of [00:13:10] State. We have many questions [00:13:14] for the concern, because both the Cabinet of Ministers and the Communications [00:13:18] Administration say they are innocent, respectively, it is very likely that the concern [00:13:22] may be to blame for some... physically [00:13:26] pressing a button and turning us off from T2. As of [00:13:29] today, T-2, I understand, is about [00:13:32] 30% of those people who can [00:13:36] reach television, who can see us. We don't have [00:13:39] all these people, these viewers, today. today. [00:13:43] That's all the news for today, more will be tomorrow morning, and [00:13:47] the Ukrainian focus continues in just a few moments, we continue, stay with [00:13:50] us. [00:14:25] We invite the next guest to the conversation, with whom we will discuss important topics, [00:14:29] including those related to our neighboring [00:14:32] partner countries, with us Evgeniy Chaban, Chaban, [00:14:35] editor of the independent Moldovan media Most, Mr. Evgeniy, welcome, [00:14:39] thank you for joining our [00:14:48] in Moldova, it's not the first time that fragments of enemy [00:14:51] drones have been found, in particular the last time... fragments of a garage were [00:14:55] found, how does society react [00:14:58] to this in general, first of all, how noticeable is this event in Moldova, because we [00:15:01] talk about the facts themselves, but we know little about the reaction in [00:15:05] Moldova, and also about the possibilities to still, [00:15:09] if such enemy drones fly into [00:15:12] the territory of Moldova to then again strike the territory of Ukraine, how much [00:15:16] consensus is there on whether to [00:15:20] strike them, please, please, [00:15:23] uh-huh, and... Well, yes, unfortunately, [00:15:26] almost every month in [00:15:30] Moldova there is news about one or another [00:15:33] drone entering our [00:15:37] airspace, and yes, of course, this causes [00:15:41] indignation of a significant part of Moldovan [00:15:44] society, the government [00:15:47] is looking, well, now, as they joke in Moldova, we have [00:15:51] the strangest air defense, which can only [00:15:53] be, it comes down to the fact that [00:15:57] the Moldovan Foreign Ministry summons the Russian [00:16:00] ambassador after, after such [00:16:04] incidents, but yes, [00:16:07] it can be said that the Moldovan government is now [00:16:10] looking for opportunities to somehow counteract [00:16:14] and protect, protect the Moldovan sky from [00:16:17] these drones, [00:16:19] yes, unfortunately, [00:16:22] there are drones that fall and detonate on the territory of the Republic [00:16:25] of Moldova, including, not so long ago, one of [00:16:29] the drones fell near our [00:16:33] Transnistrian region, but on the right bank [00:16:36] of the Dniester River. [00:16:39] In fact, we understand that the neighborhood of two [00:16:43] states entails cooperation in many [00:16:47] areas, as of now, we have [00:16:50] information that the President of Ukraine [00:16:53] Volodymyr Zelensky met with the Deputy Prime Minister, [00:16:57] Minister of Foreign Affairs of Moldova, and [00:17:00] this happened just a few days ago, and according to the President, [00:17:04] he was glad to see the Moldovan Minister at the annual meeting of [00:17:08] Ukrainian ambassadors, noting that Popșoi's participation [00:17:12] testifies to the common foreign policy priorities [00:17:15] of Ukraine and Moldova, primarily in matters of security and [00:17:19] European integration, our path to European [00:17:22] integration, our path to the EU, we remind you, is [00:17:25] synchronous, we are moving in a unified [00:17:28] course and together, [00:17:31] despite the fact that within the European Union there are individual forces, individual [00:17:35] countries that want to divide Ukraine [00:17:38] and... Moldova on this path, these latest [00:17:41] actions of the Hungarian leadership testified to this, [00:17:45] but there are common problems and challenges that need to be [00:17:48] overcome, Ukraine is holding consultations with Moldova and [00:17:52] other neighbors on expanding the infrastructure for exporting [00:17:55] grain to third markets, we understand that we [00:17:58] need this, and we would like to understand how much Moldova [00:18:02] has resources to provide us with such [00:18:06] opportunities for diversifying [00:18:08] our exports. [00:18:11] Well, I understand that first of all, it's about [00:18:13] railway connections and [00:18:16] accelerating the transit of Ukrainian grain through the territory [00:18:19] of Moldova, this was talked about a lot [00:18:23] by the new Prime Minister of Moldova Vasyl Tofan, [00:18:26] who worked and lived [00:18:30] in Kyiv for quite a long time, [00:18:33] and he is set on [00:18:35] such a very... good, very good interaction with [00:18:39] colleagues from Kyiv, [00:18:42] so he said that we will look for [00:18:46] opportunities how to [00:18:50] speed up, accelerate Ukrainian [00:18:54] grain transit through the territory of Moldova so that [00:18:57] this grain does not enter the Moldovan market and [00:19:01] does not affect prices there, because as in other countries, in [00:19:04] Moldova, [00:19:07] ah, there is... a public discussion about this, Moldovan farmers [00:19:10] also, also say that [00:19:13] they have to compete with Ukrainian [00:19:17] products, and the government cannot [00:19:21] ignore this either, but once again [00:19:24] I will say, once again I will repeat, the Moldovan [00:19:28] Prime Minister Tofan [00:19:31] said that he would, he would look for ways to [00:19:34] provide... [00:19:37] help to Ukraine so that it can export its grain, including [00:19:40] through the territory of the Republic of Moldova. Yes, well, and [00:19:44] let's talk about [00:19:46] the consequences of low water levels on the Dniester. We know that these consequences [00:19:50] are not critical, but very tangible [00:19:53] for our partner countries, in particular where [00:19:56] nuclear power plants stop. For Moldova, how difficult [00:20:00] is this situation, well, in Romania, for example, they blew up rocks [00:20:04] to expand the riverbed, to again somehow influence this. [00:20:11] But in any case, we understand that there are certain [00:20:13] trend changes, this is also low water on the Tisa in Hungary, which also [00:20:17] leads to this, and here the question is what [00:20:21] are the assessments for the future, because again, today I read [00:20:24] that the prospect of even greater shallowing of the river [00:20:28] exists, that is, this is not the end, what could be, how can this affect [00:20:31] first of all [00:20:34] shipping, navigation and of course, the movement [00:20:38] of goods and services, because we understand, this is a key issue, which, by the way, [00:20:41] if we also talked about grain, please, please, [00:20:44] well, for Moldova, this is one of the key topics now, because it's [00:20:48] not about navigation as such [00:20:51] on the Dniester for Moldova, but about water [00:20:54] supply, because approximately [00:20:57] 80% of Moldova's residents somehow [00:21:00] use water from the Dniester. Water from the Dniester [00:21:03] is used for consumption [00:21:07] by people in Chișinău and [00:21:10] Bălți, these are the two [00:21:13] largest cities on the right bank of [00:21:16] the Dniester in Moldova. So. yes, for [00:21:20] Moldova, this is a very important [00:21:24] topic, and we understand that [00:21:27] with this [00:21:31] now, we can't fix this situation now, because [00:21:35] there's just too little rain in the Carpathians, too little [00:21:38] water, into [00:21:41] the Dniester reservoir now flows [00:21:44] about 35-40, 40 [00:21:47] cubic meters of water per second. And [00:21:50] the Dniester HPP discharges about 85-100, [00:21:53] 85-100, [00:21:56] due to the fact that there is a reservoir, and its [00:21:59] level is now falling, and this level is critically [00:22:02] needed for the water intakes [00:22:05] to work, which supply [00:22:08] Chișinău, Chișinău and Bălți, so [00:22:11] for Moldova, this is a very, very important and very painful [00:22:15] topic, well, and Chișinău [00:22:18] called on Transnistria not to reduce the discharge [00:22:21] of water from the reservoir on [00:22:24] the Dniester, this is also a very important [00:22:27] story about ensuring the key cities in [00:22:31] Moldova, how does the Transnistrian [00:22:34] authorities react, [00:22:37] does Tiraspol generally react to this [00:22:40] call? [00:22:45] I can't say for [00:22:48] sure now whether the discharge from the Dubossary reservoir [00:22:51] has decreased, this is a reservoir and [00:22:55] a power plant that is controlled by [00:22:58] Transnistrian separatists, it's just [00:23:02] interesting that Tiraspol previously accused [00:23:05] Chișinău and Kyiv of deliberately [00:23:09] creating a water crisis [00:23:10] and ignoring the interests [00:23:14] of the left bank, so they are trying to gain [00:23:17] some political points from this, it's [00:23:22] very... to politicize this issue, but still, [00:23:25] all the same, uh, when [00:23:29] and uh, it comes [00:23:32] to some common interests of the two banks [00:23:35] of the Dniester, then still [00:23:38] Chișinău finds, [00:23:41] finds some opportunities for cooperation [00:23:45] with separatists on the left bank, so I don't think [00:23:50] there will be any [00:23:53] big problems with the discharge [00:23:56] of water, the trouble is that [00:23:59] there is less water, and this [00:24:02] is the problem, [00:24:05] if we talk about the overall situation, well, let's move from economic [00:24:09] and ecological [00:24:11] topics to political and military ones, what is the situation [00:24:15] in this enclave called [00:24:18] the Transnistrian Republic? Are there any threats again for Moldova itself, for [00:24:22] Ukraine, because now this topic is, well, as they say, not on the front pages, but [00:24:26] before that there was information that there were threats, it was possible, there was talk of [00:24:30] generally disarming and destroying this enclave from the side [00:24:33] of Moldova, there were threats about whether there would be any attacks, offensives [00:24:36] towards Ukrainian territory, and now, well, are there any [00:24:40] movements, statements, actions, possibly with [00:24:43] Russia's participation, again, please, [00:24:44] please. [00:24:47] Well, there is located... uh, [00:24:51] illegally located Russian military [00:24:54] contingent, it is no longer so large and combat-ready, [00:24:57] but still it is impossible not to take it [00:25:01] into account, and if we talk about the current situation, [00:25:04] then we do not observe any direct [00:25:07] military threats to Moldova or Ukraine there, [00:25:10] but still this military, Russian military [00:25:14] presence is illegal. [00:25:18] illegal. [00:25:22] from Chișinău's point of view, it [00:25:26] cannot but cause concern [00:25:29] for Kyiv and Chișinău, and Ukraine [00:25:33] must keep, pull back some part of its [00:25:37] armed forces in order to still [00:25:39] control [00:25:42] this section of our common border in [00:25:45] the Transnistrian direction, so yes, [00:25:49] there are no immediate military risks [00:25:52] now, but still [00:25:55] this is such a constant, [00:25:57] constant point of tension [00:26:01] between our countries. [00:26:03] And now the economic and [00:26:07] financial situation is gradually degrading, you [00:26:10] know that back in early 2025, [00:26:14] Russia reduced the volume of gas it supplies [00:26:17] there, so they, they don't [00:26:21] have enough money now, they are cutting all their expenses in order [00:26:25] to provide at least [00:26:28] salaries for their public sector employees, primarily [00:26:31] for... that very security apparatus of this separatist [00:26:35] republic, so all this allows [00:26:38] us to hope that [00:26:42] in the coming years [00:26:45] we will be able to solve this problem peacefully. [00:26:49] Well, let us remind you that on the territory of unrecognized Transnistria [00:26:53] there is one of the largest ammunition [00:26:56] depots in Eastern Europe, there are more than 20 thousand tons, [00:26:59] and this is... Kolbasna, [00:27:02] we understand that for the Russian Federation, [00:27:06] this is a separate point, and just in [00:27:09] April of this year, Shoigu, Secretary of the Security [00:27:13] Council of Russia, warned Kyiv against [00:27:17] attempts to seize ammunition depots in [00:27:20] Transnistria, well, in short, this is such a separate, very important [00:27:23] story for them, at the same time, if we [00:27:26] are talking about Moldova's progress towards the European [00:27:30] Union, then it is probably worth noting that [00:27:34] at the end of July the President of the Republic of Moldova, Maia [00:27:37] Sandu, received Kirsten [00:27:40] Joff, the head of the European [00:27:43] Union's Partnership Mission in the Republic of Moldova, within [00:27:46] the framework of a protocol meeting, [00:27:48] and it is important to understand here, we are following [00:27:52] how European integration [00:27:54] currently taking place and being implemented in Ukraine, how this [00:27:58] is happening in Moldova, to what extent our pace. [00:28:01] Well, formally, we [00:28:07] are currently moving [00:28:11] in a single package, so we [00:28:14] have opened the same negotiating clusters with [00:28:18] the European Union, [00:28:20] so gradually due to the fact [00:28:24] that still [00:28:26] the European Commission [00:28:29] has several times slightly [00:28:32] better assessed Moldova's movement towards [00:28:36] the European Union, the implementation of various [00:28:38] reforms, there is also talk in Chișinău [00:28:42] about the fact [00:28:45] that it might be better to break [00:28:48] this link a bit, and in Brussels [00:28:51] they said that nevertheless, further [00:28:54] European integration of our countries will primarily depend [00:28:58] on the pace of implementation of reforms, on the pace of implementation. [00:29:07] I will clarify, that is, in Chișinău there are sympathizers of [00:29:11] currently separating Ukraine and Moldova at a certain [00:29:14] stage, at least. [00:29:17] Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I, I would not say that this is some kind of mainstream [00:29:20] opinion, but still, nevertheless, [00:29:22] they are talking [00:29:25] about it, and, but still, in Chișinău [00:29:28] they understand that at least for now... [00:29:33] Ukraine continues [00:29:36] to defend itself, the war continues, [00:29:40] to resist Russian military aggression, [00:29:44] such a disunity, it will give, well, not [00:29:48] a very, very good signal for the same Kremlin, [00:29:51] the Kremlin may see this as the European Union [00:29:55] somehow abandons [00:29:57] Ukraine, or reduces its [00:30:00] support, so I don't think so. I think that as long as the war continues, [00:30:04] this link will somehow be [00:30:07] broken, and I hope so, so in [00:30:10] tandem one can move, in principle, I [00:30:14] know what I wanted to ask about, in Moldova up to [00:30:17] 130,000 Ukrainians live, well at least this information was [00:30:20] announced by the Prime Minister of Moldova, Alexandru [00:30:23] Montianu, on February 10, at a joint press conference with [00:30:27] Yulia Svyrydenko, the former head of the Ukrainian government, 80 thousand [00:30:30] 87 Ukrainians use. In Moldova, the mechanism of temporary [00:30:34] protection for 2.5 million Moldovan citizens [00:30:37] is a considerable number of people, 130 00 - how do [00:30:41] Ukrainians and Moldovans [00:30:44] generally coexist, because, you know, we don't talk much about it, nothing [00:30:47] like that happens, it's just there, in general, almost 1.5 [00:30:51] million Ukrainians passed through Moldova in transit to use [00:30:54] protection in the European Union.