ESPRESO — broadcast 20260806 163000 UTC 511 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] The large-scale invasion caught him as the [00:00:02] Chief of Staff of the Territorial Defense Forces, in [00:00:06] Kyiv itself. He was one of those who commanded the defense [00:00:10] of Kyiv [00:00:13] in [00:00:14] the capacity of commandant, [00:00:17] and already in March, including for the defense of Kyiv, he [00:00:21] received the rank of brigadier [00:00:23] general. [00:00:26] After that, he engaged in the development [00:00:30] of territorial defense, and this is very important in modern [00:00:33] conditions, because [00:00:36] territorial defense at that time consisted [00:00:38] of units that accepted civilians [00:00:42] who had no, [00:00:44] mostly no relation to the armed forces and [00:00:48] had no military experience. [00:00:50] That is, Sobko actually established [00:00:54] the acceptance, training, and further equipping [00:00:58] of territorial forces, and their further integration into the armed [00:01:02] forces. We know there was some criticism [00:01:05] regarding territorial defense, but we also know of several excellent [00:01:09] territorial defense brigades, for example, the 103rd Brigade, which [00:01:13] consistently ranks among the top ten best [00:01:16] in destroying Russians [00:01:19] with drones. [00:01:21] This experience, I understand, is very useful [00:01:25] now for the commander-in-chief, and he [00:01:28] will [00:01:30] continue it, especially considering that we have [00:01:34] problems with mobilization. Mobilization processes need [00:01:38] to be established, a dialogue [00:01:41] with society needs to be maintained, [00:01:44] so that [00:01:48] joining the army is more understandable, [00:01:52] predictable, and there is no such critical [00:01:56] mass of negativity as there is now. And it is Serhii's [00:02:00] Sobko's previous experience [00:02:03] that indicates that he is very [00:02:05] people-centric, he primarily thinks about [00:02:08] the military, and it is clear [00:02:12] that having such a certain [00:02:16] mindset of a reformer, his mind will [00:02:20] contribute to [00:02:22] the fulfillment of those promises that Mykhailo Drapati took [00:02:26] upon himself, including establishing mobilization. [00:02:30] Can we say that, in principle, some structural [00:02:33] changes are taking place now, [00:02:36] what is he betting on, or can we already say who he will be [00:02:40] betting on and what he will be betting on after [00:02:44] Syrskyi? We can note several [00:02:47] trends. The first trend [00:02:50] is that [00:02:52] the command [00:02:54] of the Armed Forces of Ukraine consists of generals [00:02:57] who have passed their main [00:03:01] path and grew up, became generals, actually [00:03:04] during the time, during the command [00:03:07] of Zaluzhnyi. That is, this is a new generation [00:03:10] of generals who have proven themselves on the battlefield and demonstrated [00:03:14] their best qualities as commanders. [00:03:18] The second part is a certain [00:03:20] people-centricity. Mykhailo Drapati himself, well, everyone [00:03:24] notes that he cares about the personnel, and [00:03:27] he very often repeats this [00:03:30] phrase that the command is a certain service [00:03:34] for the soldier who is directly on the front line, [00:03:38] and the team he selects [00:03:41] obviously espouses similar values. I remind you that [00:03:45] recently he also brought back [00:03:48] to command Shamil Krutkov, [00:03:52] who had previously been removed from, who [00:03:55] was the commander of the 93rd Brigade Kholodnyi Yar, [00:03:59] who was removed from [00:04:01] this position. We will not, well, it's not important why, but [00:04:05] now Mykhailo Drapati has brought him [00:04:08] back. [00:04:10] Shamil Krutkov is also known for [00:04:13] his [00:04:16] great care for the personnel, and also for living [00:04:19] by the war. That is, everyone notes that this is a person [00:04:22] who has dedicated almost all his life to the war. [00:04:26] Exactly such people are now needed for us to [00:04:30] withstand this Russian [00:04:33] invasion. Finally, I often hear stories from career [00:04:36] military personnel about how important the [00:04:39] sergeant link in the army is, how neglected it has been [00:04:43] lately. I read, like many others, that Valeriy [00:04:46] Markus might return, by the way, to the position of chief [00:04:50] sergeant, but to specifically engage in reforming [00:04:53] this very link, the institution of [00:04:55] sergeants. Well, it is also interesting that [00:04:59] Serhii, while under [00:05:02] the leadership of territorial defense, implemented [00:05:06] the so-called Captains' School, that is, a school [00:05:09] for junior command staff, for command [00:05:13] of companies, platoons, battalions. At that time, at [00:05:16] the beginning, not many [00:05:18] reserve [00:05:20] officers joined the army. They had theoretical knowledge, but they never [00:05:24] had any practical experience, and this [00:05:27] Captains' School helped [00:05:30] to train a very large number [00:05:33] of successful junior [00:05:36] officers, and accordingly, we see that [00:05:40] this is a certain priority that Mykhailo Drapati [00:05:43] is now pursuing in his work, including [00:05:46] appointing [00:05:49] the chief sergeant of the armed forces, Valeriy [00:05:52] Markus. Well, for now, we know, we only hear rumors [00:05:55] that such an appointment will happen, but we know that [00:05:59] Markus was the ideologue of the 47th [00:06:02] Magura Brigade, who were among [00:06:06] the first, well, who participated in the counteroffensive in 2023. [00:06:09] At that time, he distinguished himself with certain leadership qualities. [00:06:13] He talked a lot about how to develop [00:06:16] the sergeant direction. Obviously, [00:06:19] his certain values [00:06:22] are the same values as Mykhailo [00:06:25] Drapati's. Thank you, Bohdan. Bohdan Vachynskyi was with us, the editor-in-chief [00:06:29] of Espreso. And now we [00:06:32] continue, and now we will talk a little about what [00:06:35] happened in the judicial [00:06:38] process, which concerns the suspicion [00:06:41] of corrupt acts [00:06:44] by the former Deputy Prime Minister, former Minister of Justice, and [00:06:48] former Ambassador to the United States, Olha [00:06:52] Stefanyshyna. He was at the trial and knows all the [00:06:55] details, and knows where, probably Mrs. [00:06:58] Stefanyshyna herself is now. Our correspondent, journalist of the press, Dmytro [00:07:02] Didora. Dmytro, hello, the floor [00:07:04] is yours. [00:07:07] Hello, Andriy, hello to our viewers. Indeed, today [00:07:10] a preventive measure was chosen for Olha [00:07:13] Stefanyshyna. She was assigned [00:07:16] a bail of 6 million. I should note [00:07:19] that the prosecutor's office requested 13, [00:07:23] over 13 million. In their opinion, these [00:07:26] were the damages caused to the state, and [00:07:29] during the court process, journalists [00:07:33] and the public also learned what [00:07:36] is being incriminated in this new suspicion against Olha [00:07:39] Stefanyshyna. I will only note [00:07:43] that this is illegal enrichment and incorrect [00:07:45] declaration. According to the investigation, Mrs. [00:07:49] Stefanyshyna purchased two apartments in the residential [00:07:52] complex Fayna Town, and this [00:07:55] is an expensive residential complex in the capital, [00:07:58] and she did this through her best [00:08:02] friend, and also repairs were carried out in [00:08:06] these apartments. Another reason was [00:08:09] an apartment that she rented [00:08:13] in the very center of the capital on Yaroslaviv Val Street, near Golden [00:08:16] Gate, and according to the investigation, the rent [00:08:20] was over 100 dollars [00:08:23] (1300), it seems, per month, and was paid [00:08:27] in cash. The prosecution also [00:08:30] read out letters between Olha Stefanyshyna's [00:08:34] assistant and her [00:08:38] and the landlord, regarding the payment for this apartment. [00:08:42] In particular, it also concerns a Mercedes-Benz car, [00:08:45] which, according to the investigation, Olha Stefanyshyna purchased [00:08:49] herself, however, it was not [00:08:53] declared. She purchased it in 2021 for [00:08:56] over 43 thousand [00:08:59] dollars. Evidence suggests that [00:09:03] she used the car. These are tickets [00:09:05] for [00:09:08] traffic violations and for using [00:09:12] parking in one of the residential complexes. Also, [00:09:16] an interesting piece of information, as I see it, was that during [00:09:19] the court hearing, we learned about the moment [00:09:23] of influence on the selection [00:09:26] of the head of NAPC. [00:09:29] The national, we talked about this yesterday to avoid repetition, but [00:09:33] I just want to ask very briefly, where is she now? Has she been [00:09:36] released, or is she currently in [00:09:38] detention? [00:09:41] As far as I understand, because it was [00:09:44] said that this is bail, and if there is bail, then most [00:09:48] likely this information still needs to be clarified, but perhaps [00:09:52] she was sent to custody, [00:09:54] the former ambassador to the USA [00:09:58] from Ukraine, because bail is not just set. I don't [00:10:01] think the state just needs money to collect it from Olha [00:10:05] Stefanyshyna. Bail is usually set [00:10:08] when a person is sent to custody. Absolutely, thank you very much for [00:10:12] this story. Dmytro Didora, our journalist, was with us. And now we will [00:10:15] also talk to Maryna Danyliuk Yarmolayeva, [00:10:19] our co-host, colleague, [00:10:22] we will talk a little about the political [00:10:25] aspect of this story. Many people are now asking why they even [00:10:29] bothered her with such trifles, oh my god, two apartments, we have [00:10:33] Mindidja there and so on. There is probably some rational grain [00:10:37] in this, although on the other hand, this story, [00:10:40] particularly with the influence on the appointment of the head of NAPC, many [00:10:43] people now recall how she, when she was [00:10:46] still Deputy Prime Minister for European Integration, it seems, said [00:10:49] that no, we don't need any competitions and so [00:10:53] on, all those foreign expert. foreign independent participants [00:10:57] of competition commissions, and now this also sheds some light. Maryna Danyliuk [00:11:01] Yarmolayeva is already with us. Maryna, hello. Did you feel a little [00:11:04] sympathy and empathy when [00:11:07] the former Deputy Prime Minister cried in the courtroom? [00:11:10] Andriy, hello, [00:11:14] you can sympathize with her purely humanly, the person [00:11:17] is crying, it's bad, you wouldn't wish that even on an enemy, to [00:11:20] sit there in that glass box, [00:11:24] in the Higher Anti-Corruption Court and have a preventive measure [00:11:27] chosen for you. Purely humanly, I feel sorry for [00:11:31] Stefanyshyna, because I remind you that for a long time [00:11:35] she was a favorite of Bankova and one of the political [00:11:38] favorites of Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyi. I remind you [00:11:42] that when a year ago among a number of candidates [00:11:45] close to Zelenskyi the candidacy for ambassador [00:11:48] of Ukraine to the United States of America was chosen, Olha Stefanyshyna was suddenly chosen [00:11:52] and she was very happy to go to diplomatic service, but [00:11:56] her diplomatic service did not last that long, and we now understand [00:12:00] the reason, because NABU and SAB were preparing a [00:12:03] suspicion for her, and at that moment, when one strongly wants [00:12:06] to sympathize with Olha Stefanyshyna, I strongly advise [00:12:09] to familiarize yourself with those materials from the courtroom [00:12:12] that have already appeared in the press, [00:12:16] namely that Olha Stefanyshyna [00:12:19] was buying expensive property, apartments, [00:12:22] cars, and traditionally, [00:12:26] as Ukrainian officials often do, she registered all this to her relatives [00:12:30] and even to a friend, and this simply raises the question [00:12:33] for me, why did they do it, because I [00:12:36] remind you that she was one of the most professional government officials [00:12:40] of the era, she was the head of [00:12:43] the Ministry of Justice, she is a woman who at one time [00:12:47] graduated from Kyiv National University, [00:12:50] received a good education, speaks English well. I mean, [00:12:54] it seems to me that she would have had enough sense and money [00:12:57] to hire a declaration consultant and do all this [00:12:59] beautifully, and not register all this to [00:13:03] random people and attract unnecessary attention from anti-corruption [00:13:06] bodies. But the worst thing discussed during [00:13:10] the VAKS meeting was that Olha Stefanyshyna, already during [00:13:13] the full-scale invasion, [00:13:16] was managing these competitions for [00:13:20] the selection of the heads of our anti-corruption infrastructure [00:13:23] in manual mode. There was a very interesting episode from [00:13:27] 2022. I remind you that in 2022 we [00:13:30] barely pushed back the Russians from Kyiv, [00:13:34] there were battles for Kharkiv Oblast, there were battles for [00:13:37] Kherson, and it turns out that we had competitions [00:13:40] for the position of NABU director, and Olha Stepanishina [00:13:43] sent messages to those commission members who are [00:13:47] from the authorities and advised who should [00:13:50] have their scores lowered, who should be promoted in this ranking, [00:13:54] and one of the favorites, [00:13:57] for whom she put in a good word, was [00:14:01] quite well-known to us, Pavlo Kyrylenko. I remind you who this is, [00:14:05] this is the person who headed [00:14:07] the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine, before [00:14:10] that, by the way, he was [00:14:13] the head of the State Property Fund, and before that, the head of the Donetsk [00:14:17] Military-Civil Administration. And when he, by the way, was being pushed [00:14:21] for the position of head [00:14:24] of the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine, then many [00:14:28] specialists, many, by the way, [00:14:31] anti-corruption activists wrote that maybe it's not worth pushing such a person, because [00:14:35] he has many relatives in the occupied [00:14:37] territories, namely in the territory of [00:14:41] the non-controlled Donbas, and these are not just some people who [00:14:45] work as sellers in a local Pyaterochka store, but his own [00:14:48] brother, by the way, works in the security organs [00:14:52] of the DNR, and by the way, his mother [00:14:56] to Russian media, where they did not hide that they feel completely comfortable in the Russian [00:14:59] world, and President Zelenskyi [00:15:02] absolutely broadly turned a blind eye to all these [00:15:05] data, and there was even his public comment that it [00:15:09] doesn't matter what relatives this person has, we need results, and so [00:15:12] Pavlo Kyrylenko was pushed through to this [00:15:15] position. And now let's imagine a situation where [00:15:19] Stefanyshyna and her accomplice managed to push through Pavlo [00:15:22] Kyrylenko to the position of NABU director, then we [00:15:25] would never have heard or seen the Mindich tapes [00:15:29] and these details of how embezzlement [00:15:32] took place with the help [00:15:36] of the Dynasty cooperative in the Ministry of Energy. I mean, [00:15:39] you can imagine, and the most terrible thing is that Olha [00:15:43] Stefanyshyna, I remind you that this is a person who... And at the moment when [00:15:46] Ursula von der Leyen, [00:15:50] the European Commission, or various officials from Brussels, [00:15:53] Marta Kos, constantly tell us that friends, you need to hold [00:15:56] honest, transparent competitions for the heads of your [00:15:59] law enforcement agencies, please hold a competition for the position of Prosecutor [00:16:03] General, finally reform the SBI, details emerge [00:16:10] of how a person who was responsible for European integration was manually determining [00:16:14] who should have their scores lowered because they were an independent [00:16:18] candidate, who should be promoted in this [00:16:21] ranking, and this is actually terrible. [00:16:25] This shows that a person can outwardly talk [00:16:28] about clusters of European integration, [00:16:32] but secretly do everything so that Marta Kos then comes [00:16:35] and says: "You [00:16:37] are not reaching European integration, things are better in Moldova." [00:16:41] But you know, we don't have time anymore, I just have a question, [00:16:44] did she come up with it herself, [00:16:48] that it would be like this, or did someone [00:16:51] tell her who should be there? [00:16:54] Well, yes, [00:16:58] let's assume that it was obviously not her, she was [00:17:01] a cog in this system, and again, [00:17:05] returning to the properties that she did not [00:17:09] declare in her name, one can [00:17:10] assume that this was not free. [00:17:14] Thank you very much for those very important details to the truly [00:17:18] sad story of Mrs. Stefanyshyna. Well, and [00:17:21] in the meantime, we move on. We have a wonderful [00:17:25] story, touching. Ukrainian [00:17:29] emergency workers rescued a roe deer fawn during [00:17:33] the liquidation of a large-scale forest fire in [00:17:36] France, the State Emergency Service reports. It is noted that the small [00:17:40] fawn had burnt hooves and could not [00:17:43] walk or run away from [00:17:46] the fire on its own. Our [00:17:49] firefighters and rescuers [00:17:53] saved the animal in time. It will [00:17:56] live, it will run, everything will be [00:17:59] fine with it. Well, I remind you that at the end of July, 70 [00:18:03] Ukrainian rescuers went to France [00:18:07] to help extinguish large-scale [00:18:10] fires. I will just assume that [00:18:14] after what they do in [00:18:17] Ukraine every day, it's almost a vacation for them, [00:18:21] but these are, of course, my assumptions, [00:18:24] and maybe I'm very wrong here. [00:18:28] Nevertheless, there is someone to ask. What is really [00:18:31] happening there? Khrystyna Pertsovych, spokeswoman for the Main Department of the State Emergency Service [00:18:34] of Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast, is joining us. Mrs. Khrystyna, hello [00:18:38] to you. Hello. [00:18:41] Well, how are things with our [00:18:44] employees in [00:18:48] France now? What's the news from there? [00:18:51] Well, a joint detachment of the State Emergency Service of Ukraine [00:18:55] is currently working in [00:18:56] France. As was [00:18:59] noted, the detachment includes 70 rescuers [00:19:03] and 15 units of specialized equipment, these are [00:19:06] fire tanker trucks, cargo vehicles, a medical [00:19:10] vehicle. [00:19:13] If we talk about the tasks that Ukrainian [00:19:16] rescuers received, significant [00:19:19] attention is paid to extinguishing fires in separate [00:19:23] hotspots, dousing the area, localizing smoldering and controlling [00:19:26] areas where the fire can reignite, and [00:19:29] also creating a safe perimeter and [00:19:32] preventing the spread of flames to populated areas. This is [00:19:36] a commercial facility, and also young forest plantations [00:19:40] and other vulnerable territories. [00:19:43] In particular, Ukrainian [00:19:46] rescuers were tasked with preventing the spread of fire towards [00:19:50] the Equestrian Center, protecting young [00:19:53] plantations. The work is carried out directly in the forest, [00:19:57] as well as in areas with quite high [00:20:00] soil temperatures, smoke, and a large number [00:20:04] of hidden burning spots. Do the [00:20:07] French have something to learn from our rescuers in your opinion? You probably communicated [00:20:11] with colleagues from [00:20:12] France. [00:20:16] Uh, well, they always approach us, [00:20:19] they try to [00:20:22] communicate with us. They initially [00:20:25] highly appreciated our high level of organization [00:20:29] and efficiency and speed of work. [00:20:32] It was noted during a meeting in the Gironde department [00:20:36] that they were, first of all, impressed by how [00:20:39] organized, fast, and clear the column of rescuers arrived, [00:20:43] how quickly we proceed to extinguish the fire [00:20:46] and how capable we are of working in various difficult [00:20:50] conditions. We share our experience with them [00:20:53] on how to extinguish fires, [00:20:56] particularly in ecosystems, in the absence [00:20:59] of [00:21:01] sufficient water supply, in conditions when [00:21:04] there is not enough, when it is impossible to involve [00:21:08] aviation, when the spread [00:21:11] of flames is very fast. This is experience gained by us in [00:21:15] extremely difficult conditions as a result of the full-scale [00:21:18] invasion. Well, finally, I ask, how [00:21:22] long will this mission last and when [00:21:24] will our rescuers [00:21:28] return to Ukraine? Well, we [00:21:30] cannot give specific dates now, [00:21:33] depending on how the operational situation [00:21:36] stabilizes, and how much [00:21:40] our involvement will be needed by the French [00:21:43] side. Well, thank you very much, Khrystyna [00:21:46] Pertsovych, spokeswoman for the Main Department of the State Emergency Service [00:21:49] of Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast, was with us. I remind you that 70 Ukrainian rescuers are currently [00:21:53] helping to extinguish large-scale forest fires in France. Ukraine made [00:21:57] such a nice gesture to participate in [00:22:00] international assistance to deal with the natural [00:22:03] disaster. I remind you that in France, extremely [00:22:06] dry weather lasted for a very long time, more than a month there [00:22:10] were no rains, such a thing has never happened in the history of observations, for example, in London, [00:22:14] which is famous for its rains. [00:22:17] Well, I remind you that today we conducted a survey with [00:22:21] you and asked for your opinion. We asked you if Ukraine will cope with the consequences [00:22:25] of Russian attacks on food infrastructure, and [00:22:28] 49% believe in Ukrainian business, [00:22:31] 31% also know that there will be no crisis, which together is [00:22:35] 80%, 14% are still stocking up on food just [00:22:39] in case, well, and in principle, [00:22:42] people who watch us in the village or have this good [00:22:46] fallback option, there are only 6% of them. I... [00:22:58] Thank you for participating in the polls, [00:23:01] and we'll see you tomorrow, but [00:23:04] tomorrow in this place my colleague [00:23:08] Iryna Koval will be working, and I will see you on Saturday. Take care [00:23:12] of yourselves. [00:23:35] Espreso, together with the charitable foundation "Man and Law", ask you to join [00:23:39] the collection. 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