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[00:00:00] for Ukraine, it will determine the amount of payments from the future
[00:00:03] compensation fund. Don't wait for the war to end, apply
[00:00:06] to the register today.
[00:03:00] it is, you know, like on a swing
[00:03:03] for our state, because we all had
[00:03:07] a certain kind of uplift, after
[00:03:10] successful strikes began on the oil refining complexes
[00:03:13] of the Russian Federation, then these bright arrivals at
[00:03:17] Wildberries, which continue,
[00:03:19] at the same time, in the last week, we
[00:03:23] are entering, maybe already the last 10 days, not with such
[00:03:26] an optimistic position, because President Zelensky says this... not
[00:03:30] enough missiles to repel ballistic missiles, first of all
[00:03:34] ballistic missiles. Kyiv is indeed being shelled, they started shelling
[00:03:37] civilian infrastructure, the Russians such, such as
[00:03:40] epicenters, such as Ukrposhta warehouses,
[00:03:44] Nova Poshta, and now we are living in a moment
[00:03:47] when we are being informed about possible parcel
[00:03:51] delays, this is not so terrible, at the same time,
[00:03:54] a shortage of some goods is possible, because
[00:03:58] the war will continue to develop. in this context, and many
[00:04:02] people, especially on social networks, are starting to despair and even
[00:04:05] criticize or quietly criticize
[00:04:09] the Ukrainian government, which did not calculate that the Russians
[00:04:12] would respond, but on the other hand, this is war, and how should we
[00:04:16] behave, if we did not
[00:04:19] hit the Russians,
[00:04:22] even understanding that their response would be harsh, they would hit us even
[00:04:25] harder and no one would care, but at the same time we must
[00:04:29] understand: in this tactic that awaits us,
[00:04:32] the title of our today's broadcast: what awaits us in autumn, what awaits us not only
[00:04:36] in autumn, but also in winter, these are very difficult questions, and we
[00:04:40] are now, at the end of summer, in these super hot
[00:04:43] days, we have to think about how we will survive autumn and winter, this is the project "Says Great
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[00:05:01] this broadcast. We are connecting our guest, Vitaliy Portnikov, journalist,
[00:05:05] writer, TV presenter, publicist and political observer, is with us traditionally at
[00:05:09] the beginning of this broadcast, Mr. Vitaliy, we welcome you, glory to Ukraine.
[00:05:14] Glory to the heroes, greetings, let's start with our
[00:05:17] partners, I will start with the missiles that, well,
[00:05:21] allegedly in the United States of America promised to transfer,
[00:05:24] but so far this has not happened, and here it is interesting
[00:05:27] to understand, what happened? First, there were statements that
[00:05:31] they don't have many of these missiles themselves,
[00:05:34] I'm talking about such
[00:05:37] long-range ones, the ones we need, and
[00:05:41] then today there were statements from Trump that all those journalists who
[00:05:44] wrote that the United
[00:05:47] States of America had few missiles would be punished, that they actually have them, they
[00:05:51] have enough, and
[00:05:53] everything is fine with them, but the question is, why
[00:05:57] are there still none here, Mr. Vitaliy, what
[00:06:01] is happening, what do you think, well,
[00:06:04] because indeed it is not enough, Trump simply does not
[00:06:07] want people to know about it, because if there is a clear
[00:06:11] understanding that the United States does not have enough missiles,
[00:06:14] at least air defense missiles, Iran
[00:06:17] and other enemies of the United States will feel much more
[00:06:21] confident in dictating
[00:06:23] terms. I think this is an absolutely
[00:06:26] obvious fact, that the United States used
[00:06:30] missiles, such expensive missiles as Patriot, to fight
[00:06:34] Iranian drones, there were many
[00:06:37] publications in Western media in the very
[00:06:40] first days of the war. States and Israel against
[00:06:43] Iran. President Zelensky said that there was a day, one of
[00:06:47] the first days, when the United States used
[00:06:50] about 800
[00:06:53] air defense missiles Patriot
[00:06:57] at an annual
[00:07:00] production of these missiles of
[00:07:02] 665
[00:07:04] or 800 units, we do not know the exact figure, but it
[00:07:07] is approximately that.
[00:07:10] So, the United States in one
[00:07:13] day its entire annual stock, because
[00:07:16] they were unprepared for this war that Iran
[00:07:20] offered them, you understand what this war was supposed to be, it was supposed
[00:07:23] to be a Blitzkrieg, in which Donald Trump, I think, and
[00:07:27] Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sincerely believed that
[00:07:31] the death of the leader of the Islamic
[00:07:35] Revolution, Khamenei, with his closest entourage, would lead
[00:07:38] to a real revolution or a coup and the collapse of the Iranian
[00:07:42] regime. No one expected that the Iranian regime would not only
[00:07:45] not fall, but would also shell the infrastructure
[00:07:49] of the Persian Gulf countries, and would also destroy American
[00:07:52] military personnel at their bases in the region, no one
[00:07:55] calculated, so they understood that real protection
[00:07:59] was needed. Now the situation is quite difficult for
[00:08:02] the United States of America, first of all, if they
[00:08:05] decide to strike Iran again, and
[00:08:08] Iran will escalate the situation and
[00:08:11] destroy. American military bases, as well as
[00:08:15] strategic facilities of the Persian Gulf countries,
[00:08:17] oil fields,
[00:08:20] oil refineries, desalination plants, which will lead to a
[00:08:24] humanitarian catastrophe of unprecedented scale in the region, this
[00:08:28] can not only lead to a dizzying energy
[00:08:31] crisis of unknown level, but also lead to
[00:08:34] the fact that the United States will be defenseless, that they will be
[00:08:37] without air defense missiles and any other
[00:08:41] war leads to the fact that at least American facilities
[00:08:44] outside of America, and maybe even in the United States itself, enemies
[00:08:48] will shoot like in a shooting gallery. This is the reality of what
[00:08:52] we are currently observing in the world. Just imagine
[00:08:55] that the United States has only
[00:08:59] 800 missiles left, a new stage of
[00:09:02] escalation occurs, in one day 300 missiles are used, in another
[00:09:06] 400 missiles are left, 100, and at this moment China begins some
[00:09:09] special operation to regain control over
[00:09:12] Taiwan or just some war in the Taiwan Strait,
[00:09:16] and American ships that should help Taiwan,
[00:09:20] will remain at anchor simply because they will be afraid to approach
[00:09:23] the missile launchers
[00:09:26] of the Chinese People's Republic, they will simply be destroyed by these launchers, this
[00:09:30] is the situation in which Donald Trump found himself, and of course he really doesn't
[00:09:33] want anyone to talk about it, because
[00:09:36] when he says that there are enough air defense
[00:09:40] missiles, well, at least let them publish
[00:09:43] the number in that case, and if it's a secret, well,
[00:09:47] it's a military secret, then many people can draw conclusions
[00:09:50] based on their assessment of the arsenal, but you
[00:09:53] are absolutely right to ask this question, the United States is not
[00:09:57] providing us with new air defense missiles because they have a
[00:10:00] huge deficit of their own stocks, which poses, one might
[00:10:04] say, the greatest challenge in history, this is the result of the first
[00:10:07] year of Donald Trump's presidency, incredibly eloquent, well,
[00:10:11] you see. this missile deficit poses a serious
[00:10:15] challenge to the United States of America in the future, but
[00:10:18] in the midst of this challenge, we live, and
[00:10:22] we hoped for them as allies. It turns out that in
[00:10:25] principle, well, let's say that now strategically
[00:10:28] in the world, hoping that someone has
[00:10:32] enough anti-missile systems to repel
[00:10:35] ballistic missiles and defend against ballistic missiles, from which Kyiv
[00:10:38] suffers first of all, well, it's just
[00:10:41] that any military strategist, as you
[00:10:44] have just calculated, can similarly calculate and understand
[00:10:47] that there are simply no such resources in the world to, well,
[00:10:50] let's just calculate again, there are about 3,000 missiles in the world, according to
[00:10:54] an estimate. At the same time, the situation in
[00:10:57] the Asian-Pacific region is very tense,
[00:11:01] you understand that Japan has air defense missiles, we could turn to them,
[00:11:05] but Japan is in a situation where the Chinese Foreign Minister
[00:11:09] simply threatens it with force from the podium of the Munich
[00:11:12] Conference, if you were in charge of Japan, how would you transfer air
[00:11:15] defense missiles in a situation where you might fear
[00:11:19] a major conflict in a few months, maybe years, but you just won't have enough
[00:11:23] missiles.
[00:11:25] Middle East, who will now give Saudi Arabia,
[00:11:28] the United Arab Emirates and Israel guarantees
[00:11:32] that Iran will not start shelling them again? Well,
[00:11:35] I think that any, I would
[00:11:38] say, sober-minded politician in any country
[00:11:41] in the region will simply be afraid to give even a few missiles,
[00:11:44] if we manage to get them, it will simply be a diplomatic success of
[00:11:48] unprecedented scale. For such a hero of Ukraine, one should
[00:11:51] be given, a diplomat who succeeds in negotiating.
[00:11:56] Europe, well, Europe doesn't seem to be particularly threatened,
[00:11:59] but our own leaders constantly tell Europeans that they will be
[00:12:03] next, that Russia will definitely attack them, that it could be
[00:12:06] a large-scale attack.
[00:12:10] Well, if you tell a country from which you want to receive military
[00:12:14] aid, air defense missiles, you know, there will soon be
[00:12:17] a war, Russian missiles will fly at you, but you give us air
[00:12:20] defense missiles, but that looks very strange, if you
[00:12:24] scare me with the fact that Russia will attack me, well, I will save missiles for my own
[00:12:28] defense, first of all, it's very bad that you are being shelled, but we have our own citizens,
[00:12:31] our own strategic facilities, our own power plants, we have to protect
[00:12:35] all this, well, and a combat drone in Germany,
[00:12:38] yes, which was near military planes with supposedly
[00:12:42] military ammunition for Ukraine, well, Ukrainian
[00:12:45] planes, that's what you've talked about many times, first
[00:12:49] drones will just fly in and missiles will just fly in, and then they will arrive
[00:12:52] where, in the opinion of the Russians... there may be
[00:12:55] weapons for Ukraine, they will say: we are waging
[00:12:58] war in this way and we are not allowing you to supply
[00:13:01] Ukraine with these weapons. This is also a very serious bell, in my opinion, you heard that
[00:13:05] in, that in Germany they already said that such
[00:13:08] drone technology can only be used by a state,
[00:13:12] or provided by a state to those who used this
[00:13:15] drone. And German commentators do not hide that
[00:13:19] it is about Russia. And by
[00:13:21] the way, I would like to remind you, you very aptly mentioned
[00:13:25] this drone, that
[00:13:28] it was the first drone with a warhead, it
[00:13:31] was no longer a reconnaissance drone, and the fact that
[00:13:35] it did not explode, because the driver of this, I would say,
[00:13:38] bus, it seems, who was driving through the airport territory, he
[00:13:42] simply caught it, this drone, and the drone fortunately
[00:13:45] did not explode, if it exploded at that moment, most likely
[00:13:49] the terminal with planes would have been blown up, and in
[00:13:53] Dresden one of the biggest catastrophes in the history of
[00:13:57] aviation would have happened, but such a catastrophe may still be
[00:13:59] ahead. By the way, I spoke about this during
[00:14:03] Operation Spiderweb, I said that in fact,
[00:14:06] now any object in the West or in
[00:14:09] Ukraine is not protected from such actions, because
[00:14:13] we do not have a patent for a spiderweb,
[00:14:16] we just showed how it can be done, but we can become such
[00:14:20] victims of a similar operation, as well as
[00:14:24] the Russian Federation. Because we demonstrated how to destroy
[00:14:27] enemy objects far from our own
[00:14:30] territory.
[00:14:33] Mr. Vitaliy, but if we return to
[00:14:36] the forty-day plan
[00:14:39] to force Putin to peace, now, well, you
[00:14:42] probably read the Ukrainian, first of all, the Ukrainian
[00:14:45] segment of Facebook, well, many, I understand that this may be somewhat
[00:14:49] inflated by Russians, no, 100%. Many people
[00:14:53] are starting to criticize, and...
[00:14:56] Let's put it this way, to be somewhat critical of these
[00:15:00] actions, because, well, they say, we are destroying their warehouses, but we should also
[00:15:04] understand that the Russians can respond
[00:15:07] symmetrically, which they are doing, what do you
[00:15:11] think, should we
[00:15:14] continue such actions when we understand
[00:15:17] that there may be a tough counteraction, and at the same time
[00:15:21] we will not have enough means and measures of air
[00:15:25] defense to respond to these strikes, and this
[00:15:29] will be such a mutual, mutual
[00:15:32] war of annihilation of infrastructure, both in our country and in
[00:15:35] Russia. The fundamental mistake
[00:15:39] of Ukrainians all these 12 years is that they believe that
[00:15:42] the Russians somehow respond to them,
[00:15:46] and if nothing is done, the Russians will also do nothing,
[00:15:49] but I would like to remind you that the Russians always
[00:15:53] start first,
[00:15:55] this war was started first by the Russians in 2014 and in
[00:15:59] 2022, the Russians
[00:16:02] were the first to strike Ukrainian infrastructure, the Russians
[00:16:05] destroyed Ukrainian energy.
[00:16:07] It is destroyed, the Russians destroyed the Ukrainian economy,
[00:16:11] it is destroyed, the Russians were the first to strike the warehouses
[00:16:15] of Ukrainian companies, marketplaces, I apologize, how many
[00:16:19] strikes have there been on Epicenter
[00:16:22] since 2022, what
[00:16:26] number, then we can clearly
[00:16:30] say, either we try to play this war
[00:16:34] of annihilation together, or Ukraine will be destroyed
[00:16:38] in the coming years and turned into a territory unfit for
[00:16:41] life from Uzhhorod to Kharkiv, there will be no
[00:16:44] other way out for Ukraine, because indeed we now
[00:16:48] have a territory that is not shelled by
[00:16:50] ballistic missiles and is not shelled by
[00:16:54] church ones, but if we do not defend ourselves and do not destroy
[00:16:57] the Russian economy, it will mean that the Russian army will have more
[00:17:01] resources to advance through Ukrainian territory, and the further it goes,
[00:17:04] the more Ukrainian cities will
[00:17:07] turn into irreparable ruins.
[00:17:11] Thus, the destruction of the Russian economy is practically the only
[00:17:15] way for this war to end or
[00:17:18] pause in the coming years. And I
[00:17:21] think that everything that people are saying now on social networks, about
[00:17:25] the danger, about Russia being able to
[00:17:28] strike, all this, as they say, has been happening since 2022,
[00:17:31] right? But unlike all these commentators, I do not
[00:17:35] panic. because our fellow
[00:17:39] citizens have short memories, I have a long one, I perfectly
[00:17:43] remember that in 2022 it was much worse than
[00:17:46] now, but there was such a shock that
[00:17:50] people adapted to this situation, and now,
[00:17:53] when there was a certain lull, when we really got air
[00:17:57] defense missiles, when we were able to shoot down Russian ballistic missiles,
[00:18:01] people adapted to this, but
[00:18:03] remember that in the first months of 2022, what...
[00:18:07] there, all of 2022, we had no
[00:18:10] anti-ballistic missiles at all,
[00:18:13] we had nothing to shoot down these missiles that were massively
[00:18:16] flying from the warehouses of the Russian Federation, from
[00:18:19] the warehouses,
[00:18:21] and could destroy anything, all our airfields were destroyed in the first
[00:18:25] hours of the war, you forgot about that,
[00:18:29] well, now of course, after four years,
[00:18:32] it seems like a new stage, but this is not a new stage, it is just
[00:18:36] a continuation of a many-year war of the first and only
[00:18:39] first 4.5 years, we do not know what
[00:18:42] will happen in the next 4.5 years, we have to hope that our
[00:18:45] strikes on the Russian economy will lead to this war not
[00:18:49] continuing as long as it should
[00:18:51] have. and I don't really understand
[00:18:55] people who in 2026 say, well,
[00:18:58] maybe we should leave
[00:19:01] Ukraine, well, I apologize, if you have such an idea of safety, then you should have
[00:19:04] left Ukraine in February 2022,
[00:19:07] why does the question arise, you endured all this for four
[00:19:11] years, to suddenly discover danger in 2026,
[00:19:15] this bewilders me, I perfectly understand people who don't want to live in danger, many
[00:19:19] of them, millions of these people have left Ukraine, millions are not going to return
[00:19:23] here, at least until the end of the war, but
[00:19:26] why does a person live for 4.5 years and suddenly discover danger,
[00:19:30] for me this is a mystery, now it feels somehow
[00:19:34] more intense, especially regarding...
[00:19:37] Perhaps, perhaps that is why, Mr. Vitaliy, this
[00:19:40] information about North Korean
[00:19:43] missile units that they want to deploy together with the Russian
[00:19:47] Federation against us. Why are they doing this right now,
[00:19:51] what does this indicate for
[00:19:54] us, that they don't have enough missiles, uh-huh,
[00:19:57] they are bringing in their allies for help, they are bringing in
[00:20:00] help, they are not producing enough missiles for such
[00:20:03] ballistic strikes, intensive ones, which should correspond to their goals.
[00:20:08] And that's all. This is, by the way, quite an interesting story with
[00:20:12] North Korean missiles, I can tell you, as colleagues, that I made a special video for
[00:20:16] TikTok about North Korean missiles that
[00:20:19] can be deployed near Voronezh, and this network
[00:20:23] deleted my video as not complying with its
[00:20:25] rules. Uh-huh. Because in the Central Committee
[00:20:29] of the Communist Party of China, they are obviously not satisfied when North
[00:20:33] Korea is criticized. We have now verified this with our own
[00:20:35] work.
[00:20:46] about which we are talking about such a strategic unpreparedness of NATO countries to defend themselves.
[00:20:49] Fedorov. former Minister of Defense gave, well, it seems that the interview
[00:20:53] with Strynenko has just finished, there were many
[00:20:56] political moments, but we are still talking more about geopolitical
[00:20:59] moments, so he says that some NATO countries or
[00:21:03] EU have only 5-10 anti-missile systems left in stock,
[00:21:07] 50 is already a huge number, and
[00:21:10] at one time he, Fedorov, together with Mark Rutte,
[00:21:14] personally asked some countries to allocate us
[00:21:17] two to five missiles, well, that is... that is one
[00:21:20] volley against the Zircon, roughly speaking, how many three missiles should fly, well,
[00:21:24] there, so that the probability of shooting down the Zircon or Russian
[00:21:27] ballistic missile was, well, high, and
[00:21:31] there are 47 missiles flying, that is, 150, roughly speaking, missiles
[00:21:35] are needed to shoot it down, this strategic unpreparedness
[00:21:39] of European allies in the fourth and a half year
[00:21:42] of the war, as you say, for a potential
[00:21:46] confrontation with the Russian Federation with
[00:21:49] the participation of North Korea, it is indeed very
[00:21:52] alarming, or well, you know, the European
[00:21:56] security system is based on the protection of the United
[00:21:59] States. This is the essence of the North Atlantic
[00:22:03] Alliance and Euro-Atlantic solidarity. It is understood
[00:22:06] that if these countries are under the nuclear umbrella
[00:22:10] of the United States, they should expect that in case of danger,
[00:22:13] the United States will protect them. And
[00:22:16] even if they have large military budgets, the idea has always been that
[00:22:20] these military budgets should be spent on purchasing American
[00:22:24] weapons, that is, this is a kind of payment for
[00:22:27] protection, we protect you, and you develop
[00:22:30] our military-industrial complex, but why do we need any missiles then, if
[00:22:34] they will never fly to us anyway, because this is
[00:22:38] the activation of Article Five, the threat of nuclear war. Perhaps
[00:22:41] this concept is not modern now, but we still don't know that. For us to
[00:22:45] find out about this, there must be a real attack by Russia
[00:22:48] on one of the NATO countries, and a statement by the United
[00:22:52] States that they are not going to protect this country, all obligations are still
[00:22:56] valid, they were valid, despite all the speeches of the President
[00:22:59] of the United States, despite the fact that Pete Hegseth says that we need to
[00:23:03] create a new type of NATO, in which Europe will take
[00:23:06] on the main burden of security, but you understand that as soon as
[00:23:10] they start creating this new type of NATO,
[00:23:14] Europeans will say, okay, we will have large military budgets, but if you don't
[00:23:17] want us to have the main burden of security, then
[00:23:21] we have to spend money on our own weapons, on purchasing yours, immediately
[00:23:24] Americans may change their minds, immediately such a NATO without
[00:23:28] money may not be interesting, and they will return to their
[00:23:30] obligations,
[00:23:33] we analyze what and how can happen in
[00:23:36] Europe, what and how can happen in the minds of the leaders of the United
[00:23:40] States of America, but seeing this absolutely obvious
[00:23:43] picture of certain
[00:23:47] problems with weapon arsenals, especially.
[00:23:50] Missiles in the United States of America, NATO and its allies in
[00:23:54] Europe. Zelensky says that three or
[00:23:57] fewer missiles are now provided than in the same period
[00:24:01] last year. How can we
[00:24:05] predict Putin's thoughts,
[00:24:09] and with them his actions?
[00:24:11] I think that Putin will use an anti-ballistic
[00:24:15] window, such a ballistic window, when he can strike, without fear of
[00:24:18] his missiles being shot down, in order to inflict
[00:24:22] as much damage as possible, as much trouble, I would
[00:24:26] say, as possible, as much damage as possible
[00:24:29] to strategic facilities. We must act symmetrically,
[00:24:33] trying, at least, to destroy Russian marketplaces, oil refineries
[00:24:37] of the Russian Federation, strategic facilities of the Russian economy, but
[00:24:40] most importantly, it is important to destroy military factories and it is important
[00:24:43] to destroy both enterprises for the production of ballistic missiles,
[00:24:46] and the launch sites of ballistic missiles. This should become
[00:24:50] priority number one, and this, it seems to me,
[00:24:53] is obvious. Well, and now we
[00:24:56] see, what if there are no
[00:25:00] weapons, but at least, at least the Americans,
[00:25:03] Politico wrote about this, again resumed the maximum
[00:25:07] exchange of intelligence data, which, as I understand it, since
[00:25:11] the beginning of Trump's rule, to varying degrees, but it decreased
[00:25:14] somewhere, increased somewhere, but now they have reached the maximum
[00:25:17] level, for this, of course, huge thanks to
[00:25:21] them, but the question
[00:25:24] is,
[00:25:27] does all this Trump tactic,
[00:25:30] which was built for years on the fact that
[00:25:33] for years, I will somehow stop Putin,
[00:25:36] convince him to wage war, in fact, we see
[00:25:40] not from the side of Ukraine, but all steps from the side
[00:25:44] of the United States of America, regarding the reconciliation of Putin, maybe we don't see something,
[00:25:47] and you will tell us, they are on the contrary. it
[00:25:50] seems to me, they act, they on the contrary give him some
[00:25:54] motivation, because they expose those problems that our
[00:25:57] allies really have, or still, well, of course, of course, I
[00:26:00] agree. or do you still think that we might have some
[00:26:04] cards up our sleeve that we don't see?
[00:26:08] Listen, Putin perceives any desire to talk as a sign
[00:26:11] of weakness, if you want to negotiate with Putin, you must refuse
[00:26:14] any contact with him, that is, what President
[00:26:18] Biden did, we will not talk to you, we will beat you and
[00:26:22] we will help Ukrainians defend themselves from
[00:26:24] you, and we will destroy your economic capabilities,
[00:26:27] no talks, just work on dismantling your
[00:26:30] regime, and then... he may want to talk,
[00:26:34] any attempts to talk to Putin, any proposals to talk to Putin, we
[00:26:38] understand that the Ukrainian president is doing to demonstrate to America its
[00:26:41] peacefulness, but any phrase: I want to talk
[00:26:45] to Putin, not from Zelensky's side, I think Putin doesn't pay any attention to Zelensky
[00:26:49] at all in this situation from
[00:26:51] Trump's side, this is just an extra month or an extra year
[00:26:55] of war.
[00:26:57] Answering somewhere to the question of our broadcast about
[00:27:01] what autumn will be like for Ukraine, what can
[00:27:04] you say for Ukraine and for our enemy
[00:27:07] too? Autumn will be difficult for both Ukraine and
[00:27:11] Russia, because we have entered a period of mutual war of annihilation, the so-called war of
[00:27:15] ruins. This will be more difficult than in the
[00:27:19] autumn of 2025. Of course,
[00:27:23] because we are now creating the same ruins and problems
[00:27:26] in Russia. And Russia, one way or another, is forced to
[00:27:30] react to this more than then, when it would simply perceive us as a target,
[00:27:34] you understand, uh-huh, the story that
[00:27:37] Ukraine is a testing ground has ended, now the territory of the Russian Federation
[00:27:40] is the same testing ground for Ukraine and its allies, we are developing
[00:27:44] new military technologies on this territory,
[00:27:47] yes, Ukraine is a shooting range for
[00:27:50] Russia, but Russia is now also a shooting range in Ukraine, for Ukraine and for its
[00:27:54] allies, a testing ground for the future, for
[00:27:57] future wars, and this is a very difficult situation when you are dealing
[00:28:01] with two testing grounds, as you understand, but there is no other way, if someone
[00:28:05] wants to live to the end of the war, it doesn't exist in nature.
[00:28:08] It pisses me off when I read on social networks, oh, let our
[00:28:12] government, let Zelensky start negotiations with Putin, how can you not
[00:28:16] understand that no one in Russia considers you as people, no one is going
[00:28:19] to negotiate with you, you are ordinary separatists who
[00:28:23] need to be punished, and their territory returned to the native
[00:28:26] harbor, and if you don't want this, you will simply be killed on this
[00:28:29] territory, a wet spot will remain of you and... of you and of your
[00:28:33] parents, of your children, a wet spot will remain, if you don't want this,
[00:28:37] then you need to hit Russia.
[00:28:40] Mr. Vitaly, one more question, a clarification, you correctly said
[00:28:44] that now both Russia and we, well, since 2022,
[00:28:48] have been a testing ground for testing Russian Federation weapons, before
[00:28:51] that they also had Syria, now, well, fortunately,
[00:28:55] we managed to turn this board so that Russia also becomes
[00:28:58] a testing ground, in recent days, weeks
[00:29:02] it became... clear that it seems to me that most of our
[00:29:05] allies started, well, I don't even
[00:29:09] know, unfortunately, but you will say, in your
[00:29:12] opinion, to perceive us as a testing ground, because there is no
[00:29:16] longer any resolute condemnation of
[00:29:19] attacks on civilian infrastructure,
[00:29:22] Americans have long talked less about it, Europeans now also somehow
[00:29:26] lowered this degree, well, it seems, well,
[00:29:30] that is, you have a war of self-destruction, we help
[00:29:32] Ukraine, but at the same time, well, we almost
[00:29:36] recognize Russia's ability to respond symmetrically, and Russia also
[00:29:39] begins to return in many places, there, roughly speaking, let's take
[00:29:43] even the same sports competitions, everything is gradually normalizing, although
[00:29:47] Russia, compared to 2022, behaves much
[00:29:50] more bloodthirsty now than when it was in much greater isolation than
[00:29:54] now? Russia is making huge efforts
[00:29:58] for this return,
[00:30:00] for working with those politicians who are working for this return, for working with
[00:30:04] the media that are working for this return, and I believe that we
[00:30:08] need to make efforts, political, diplomatic, and
[00:30:12] media, so that this attention to Ukraine is not
[00:30:15] lost. It seems to me that this is also a conclusion
[00:30:19] from the last period that needs to be made. Because indeed,
[00:30:23] you know, why is this degree changing? Because
[00:30:26] in addition to reports of attacks on
[00:30:29] Ukraine, there are also reports of attacks on Russia, and this is so.
[00:30:32] The routine of war, well, they are hitting Russians, Russians are hitting them, they
[00:30:36] are fighting, we support Ukraine, what else should
[00:30:38] we do, and we must remember that we still, even
[00:30:42] destroying Russian resources, remain a victim
[00:30:46] in this war, and Russia remains the aggressor in this war, we need
[00:30:49] to remind about this,
[00:30:52] well, it is important not only for us to understand, it is important for them to understand in
[00:30:55] the same Europe, in the same United States of America, and...