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[00:00:00] The TV channels Espreso and Slava
[00:00:01] TV.
[00:00:14] believe that currently the Ministry of Defense
[00:00:17] has missed the moment regarding the fight against reactive
[00:00:21] Shaheds. Let them sort it out, whether it's the previous team, or even
[00:00:25] the previous
[00:00:30] has not been 100% worked out, and that's very bad, because these are things that should be
[00:00:34] predicted in advance,
[00:00:36] because after that, it's just
[00:00:40] an arrival, which we can only watch with our eyes. We're back
[00:01:04] people before 2022 lived 100% in some kind of
[00:01:07] rose-tinted glasses and thought, well, how can it be? It can't
[00:01:11] be that the Russians came again in the 21st century,
[00:01:14] civilization, the internet, television, globalization, everyone
[00:01:17] knows everything, but to commit genocide
[00:01:21] like that, in 2022, there were many
[00:01:24] such people before the start
[00:01:51] got iPhones, they communicate
[00:01:55] with the whole world, they can fly somewhere, correspond
[00:01:59] with someone. They remained the same Russians who
[00:02:02] in the conditional year 1933 organized the Holodomor on the territory of our state and
[00:02:06] exported everyone who was undesirable, could
[00:02:10] afford to speak a word,
[00:02:13] which somehow
[00:02:20] the context of all our quarrels around mobilization,
[00:02:23] around bossification. Yes, there are also problems, Mr. Roman, we are
[00:02:32] there will be, but these
[00:02:36] after the Russians come,
[00:02:43] the front, what is happening, do you remember how they publicly
[00:02:46] abused soldiers, cut off their body parts? Well, these are the same
[00:02:50] Russians who we hope that they came to the 21st century
[00:02:54] and changed somehow. No, these are the same Russians who were in the 17th,
[00:02:57] 18th, then throughout the entire century when we were
[00:03:00] part of the USSR, this
[00:03:03] is, and they are still doing it. People who were already
[00:03:07] raised with iPhones, with computers, and this only
[00:03:10] gives them the opportunity to communicate. Further, they
[00:03:13] are doing what they
[00:03:28] now, because, well, he said not to staff
[00:03:32] assault battalions and companies yet, and
[00:03:35] everyone is waiting for some changes. The president said that
[00:03:39] one of Fedorov's problems is that he did not implement
[00:03:42] effective changes in the mobilization process, and here
[00:03:45] the question is, in principle, are these effective changes in the conditions
[00:03:48] of such a total war
[00:03:51] of mutual destruction, are these effective methods to improve
[00:03:55] mobilization, where are we
[00:03:58] now?
[00:04:01] Well, the movements that exist, I spoke with the leadership
[00:04:04] of the Ministry of Defense today, they are doing something, and I
[00:04:08] know that in the previous two months there
[00:04:11] was, let's say, I won't say it failed, but
[00:04:15] it was smaller from all these stories that were, statements about the fact that
[00:04:24] to personnel replenishment, they lead to people
[00:04:40] some processes
[00:04:43] but we haven't seen anything in the committee yet.
[00:05:00] fairer, we give proposals, but many
[00:05:02] things are already exhausted, well, I look at examples of other countries, well,
[00:05:06] nothing, you can't invent anything,
[00:05:22] if a person does not want to, he, uh,
[00:05:25] he is obliged
[00:05:35] of the state to protect and help those guys who
[00:05:38] are already on the front line, so we'll see
[00:05:51] yet decided, look, we have recruiting centers,
[00:05:54] just go there, come in, find positions for yourselves, join
[00:05:58] the defense forces and
[00:06:15] Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Ukraine to the USA in
[00:06:20] head of the board of the Ukrainian Crisis
[00:06:31] just a few minutes ago that he had the opportunity
[00:06:34] in the format of geopolitical dialogues
[00:06:37] to hold a discussion with the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Ukraine to the United
[00:06:41] Kingdom of Great Britain.
[00:06:56] Fedorovych Zaluzhny just a day or two
[00:06:59] ago made a rather critical
[00:07:02] statement regarding Ukraine's
[00:07:05] We already pulled it out of context,
[00:08:03] for a long time, called Geopolitical Dialogues, in this
[00:08:06] format we meet
[00:08:09] with people who are specialists in the field
[00:08:12] of diplomacy first of all, here's such an emphasis, well, and
[00:08:16] a vision of the strategy of world development. And
[00:08:19] my guests included diplomats you know,
[00:08:23] Volodymyr Yelchenko, Yuriy Shcherbak,
[00:08:25] Ambassadors Klimkin, Prystaiko, former ministers
[00:08:28] Hryshchak, Oleh Stanislavovych, well,
[00:08:39] he's not a diplomat, but I believe his opinion
[00:08:43] is visionary and his
[00:08:45] scenarios, his
[00:09:11] Ambassador Zaluzhny. Well, and his team, who found
[00:09:14] the opportunity to make this event happen, because direct
[00:09:18] communication, you know, with journalists, direct communication with
[00:09:22] experts who were present with us, serious specialists,
[00:09:26] this removes all these layers that we would
[00:09:29] have heard. Well, Ambassador Zaluzhny, he
[00:09:33] said so about the NATO question,
[00:09:36] I asked these questions,
[00:09:53] there is no precise assessment of what was voiced in the media, such torn pieces, but he agrees with it, journalists have the right to do
[00:10:11] definitely... not what was said there against
[00:10:15] NATO, on the contrary, he mentioned how much he did
[00:10:19] in terms of countering the development
[00:10:22] of integration with NATO, deepening
[00:10:29] reflection on whether we should constantly
[00:10:32] wait for NATO, which is not ready now
[00:10:36] to meet even Russian aggression, that is,
[00:10:39] to wait for this accession, we need to do something now, and as
[00:10:43] an option, he proposes NATO reform,
[00:10:46] this is actually, even taking into account the Ukrainian
[00:10:56] these were not called regional alliances, I
[00:10:59] called them that, he cited an example,
[00:11:02] joint expeditionary forces, these are combined expeditionary
[00:11:05] forces, such rapid reaction forces led by Great Britain,
[00:11:09] there are Netherlands, there are eight other North
[00:11:13] European countries, including new NATO members, Finland,
[00:11:16] Sweden, the Baltic states, that is, these are countries that are ready not
[00:11:20] waiting for Article Five of the Washington
[00:11:24] Treaty. Article four to
[00:11:26] act as a rapid response, that is, not 72
[00:11:30] hours to arrive in Lithuania if Russia
[00:11:34] attacks or in Estonia, but immediately, immediately
[00:11:38] 10,000 will have the opportunity to advance, that is,
[00:11:41] these are the things Valeriy
[00:11:44] Zaluzhny proposes, and why not agree with this, that is, I
[00:11:48] also fully agree that
[00:12:01] say that such internal regional
[00:12:05] alliances of NATO countries, they dilute the
[00:12:08] alliance itself. Well, excuse me, we cannot wait
[00:12:11] until the alliance reforms, until the alliance finally
[00:12:15] dares to include Ukraine in its composition, we cannot
[00:12:18] wait, and such associations will appear within
[00:12:22] NATO, Ukraine must not fall behind. It must be
[00:12:25] active, by the way, we are partners in this GFF format,
[00:12:29] and why we are not yet a
[00:12:56] conversation, the impressions are completely
[00:12:59] different, for some reason in our media and foreign, by the way, this
[00:13:03] spread, that Zaluzhny is against NATO, yes, it spread, I watched
[00:13:06] an Arab one, some was preparing for a meeting, a conversation,
[00:13:10] Arab channels, even Russian ones already
[00:13:12] picked it up, so Valeriy Zaluzhny
[00:13:16] is quite a straightforward person, and I will tell you that
[00:13:19] he says some things that we don't really
[00:13:22] want to talk about, because they are not the most
[00:13:25] optimistic, he talks about them as things
[00:13:29] that need to be taken into account,
[00:13:31] really, and to find answers. Secondly,
[00:13:35] what strikes me about him is that he speaks very sincerely, he does not
[00:13:38] avoid such sharp corners, very
[00:13:42] frankly, so I believe
[00:13:45] that this discussion with specialists, and
[00:13:48] it was really very useful for us, but it was also useful
[00:13:51] for him, he is a unique person in that
[00:13:55] he combines the experience of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,
[00:13:58] a general, and an ambassador for two years already,
[00:14:01] so our conversation was about the results in
[00:14:04] Britain, on what to build our
[00:14:42] assessment is such that without some
[00:14:46] new, well, as he said, there's a problem, right, so without
[00:14:50] a global solution, the war in Europe, the issue of war
[00:14:54] in Europe will not be resolved, moreover, he
[00:14:57] raises such questions that we don't really talk about now, don't really
[00:15:01] discuss, this is what will happen after
[00:15:04] the war, and what, what are the plans, not
[00:15:08] recovery, that's such a thing, you know, recovery,
[00:15:11] how to save our society after
[00:15:14] the war, what threats exist
[00:15:17] in this situation, how to generally
[00:15:21] overcome the huge problems that will arise, that is...
[00:15:25] we don't pay attention to this, because we need
[00:15:32] of many present specialists, there are really
[00:15:35] people specialists. That is, it is what, supporting
[00:15:39] the position and call of President Volodymyr Zelensky to search, well,
[00:15:43] the task is given to diplomats, to search for anti-missiles,
[00:15:46] particularly Patriot-3 against
[00:15:49] Russian ballistic missiles, we still need to look at the
[00:15:53] option, not an alternative, but a complementary one, precisely,
[00:15:56] to strike at installations, at
[00:16:00] Iskanders, at S-400s, perhaps at
[00:16:03] some
[00:16:05] sanctions, chains for
[00:16:08] details, perhaps some factories are more vulnerable, but we need heavy
[00:16:11] ballistic missiles, and of course,
[00:16:14] this is the primary
[00:16:21] Zaluzhny spoke about this, but before that we had
[00:16:24] a meeting with Admiral McGomery, who
[00:16:28] published in the Washington Post, now this is why I will say, we talked about the fact that
[00:16:31] IRAM missiles on F-16s with appropriate
[00:16:35] contact with space intelligence plus
[00:16:38] computer programs and our rapid
[00:16:41] reaction to suppressing
[00:16:44] these two new types of missiles, which the Americans have, unlike
[00:16:48] Patriot-3, which they say they don't have, but they promised us 3,500 of these,
[00:16:52] this can work to supplement and compensate for our
[00:16:55] current gap, or such a failure that we
[00:17:09] from Valeriy Zaluzhny, you know, very
[00:17:13] forward-looking, well, I would say, he is one of the few
[00:17:16] strategists who look ahead, and in
[00:17:20] principle, this is what Ukraine needs, well, and we also emphasized that the military
[00:17:24] must, this is an important point, whoever is the commander-in-chief,
[00:17:27] he rated his colleagues very well, and whoever
[00:17:31] it was, he needs a political task and
[00:17:34] resources, that is, the military acts according to a political task.
[00:17:37] We currently have an old national security strategy,
[00:17:41] it has not been updated, it was before the full-scale
[00:17:44] invasion, so the military will not decide this themselves,
[00:17:48] at lower levels, where there are
[00:17:51] actions, and this is our advantage, horizontal connections, but
[00:17:55] this link between the supreme
[00:17:58] commander-in-chief, the commander-in-chief, and the commander
[00:18:01] of corps, it must also somehow
[00:18:04] be
[00:18:46] now about the need for more effective European defense, perhaps
[00:18:50] these are some reforms and a different format
[00:18:53] of NATO, European NATO, regional NATO with
[00:19:00] acts, who essentially only understands
[00:19:04] force. Well, we see in Germany.
[00:19:07] A drone arrived, well, a huge disaster almost happened, if
[00:19:11] that ammunition really detonated, and what was in those
[00:19:15] Ukrainian planes is also unclear, and
[00:19:18] until there is a decisive answer, European
[00:19:21] countries are bringing Putin's missiles closer to themselves, like the Poles, who
[00:19:25] at first couldn't understand
[00:19:32] this incident almost happened, when, well, potentially
[00:19:36] and, most likely, the Russians started hitting
[00:19:39] ammunition that could have been sent
[00:19:42] to our country, and one can shell any
[00:19:45] object in Europe and say: in our opinion, there was
[00:19:49] an ammunition depot for Ukraine, and no one will be able
[00:19:53] to prove anything. Is Europe ready, is
[00:19:56] it preparing for this, that this, perhaps, new NATO format
[00:20:00] would not be purely defensive, but also a little aggressive,
[00:20:03] at least, preemptive, because this tactic can work with the Russians,
[00:20:07] or do you? Do they understand this or are they starting to
[00:20:25] in whatever form it may be, purely European countries or still with
[00:20:29] the participation of Canada, or even the USA in the future, I don't
[00:20:38] so whatever it may be, it remains the strongest
[00:20:42] today, the strongest in
[00:20:44] assessments, but it has not yet
[00:20:47] faced, as strange as it may seem, with defensive
[00:20:51] tasks, that is, it was created, this
[00:20:55] security and defense alliance against
[00:20:58] the Soviet Union, against the attack of the Soviet Union, but
[00:21:02] as a result, it did not
[00:21:08] those who are members of the alliance, as a result, they acted
[00:21:12] paradoxically, well, not NATO, NATO countries, in
[00:21:16] the Middle East, once they applied Article five
[00:21:20] of the Washington Treaty in 2001, when
[00:21:24] the USA was attacked, that is,
[00:21:27] a terrorist attack, then they all rushed together, everyone
[00:21:30] supported, because it's easier, of course, there
[00:21:33] the enemy is not nuclear,
[00:21:35] there's Bin Laden such a truly horrible
[00:21:39] person, a terrorist, everything, but this, excuse me, this is not
[00:21:43] a nuclear missile, so everyone rushed to implement
[00:21:46] Article five, and now they sat down, because
[00:21:50] it's scary, they don't know what
[00:21:56] tactic was difficult, Europe,
[00:21:59] the United States of America suffered, yes, there were terrorist attacks,
[00:22:02] there were some retaliatory actions, but it worked
[00:22:06] against criminals, when he
[00:22:08] was tracked down, they work where they see
[00:22:12] that the enemy is not such that they would be afraid,
[00:22:16] so they are really preparing for a clash with Russia, and they are not ready yet.
[00:22:23] emphasize, and the NATO Secretary General, that NATO is a defensive alliance, NATO
[00:22:27] cannot go beyond its limits, NATO should not allow
[00:22:30] escalation, and this is the vulnerability, NATO has
[00:22:33] never demonstrated what it is worthy of
[00:22:37] in a clash with a serious adversary, that's one, despite
[00:22:41] the fact that they are technologically advanced, despite the fact that NATO
[00:22:44] includes countries that have technologies that neither Russia nor Ukraine have, the USA.
[00:22:48] Yes, that is, both space and intelligence, but how
[00:22:51] this will develop, it's hard to say, I will tell you that everything has already happened,
[00:22:54] NATO was already without France in the military structure, France
[00:22:58] can leave again, if Marie Le Pen wins,
[00:23:02] and France leaves the military structures of NATO, can it happen?
[00:23:10] it was called the Western European Union, this was NATO without
[00:23:14] the USA and Canada, a truncated NATO, it
[00:23:18] didn't last long, all structures were created,
[00:23:22] even some
[00:23:37] completely, such an organization no longer exists, why? Because they didn't
[00:23:41] have strategic bombers, space intelligence,
[00:23:45] a budget of hundreds of billions of dollars back then, now
[00:23:48] the US budget...
[00:23:55] or even more will be, imagine that the USA simply
[00:23:59] surpasses itself in budget by four or five more key
[00:24:03] NATO countries, so for a long time yet
[00:24:06] the USA plays a role here, then Europeans will have to take
[00:24:14] Ukraine, it
[00:24:17] will be a weak alliance against Russia,
[00:24:21] if you take it, Russia is weakening, but still, without Ukraine,
[00:24:24] NATO won't cope now. And who among NATO countries mobilizes
[00:24:28] a million defense forces, who? Which country
[00:24:32] mobilizes? Britain, no, France,
[00:24:35] no, Germany? No. Only Poland, I
[00:24:38] thought, maybe it could do it, but the Poles, I
[00:24:42] see, they started to orient their thoughts
[00:24:46] in a different direction, they are interested in political processes
[00:24:50] of unification, a missile flew in, it was a test, it was a test,
[00:24:53] this cruise missile X-101 or 101, it honestly
[00:24:57] had coordinates laid for it, it only
[00:25:00] went in somewhat difficult
[00:25:03] conditions of greater pressure, it was not
[00:25:06] foreseen, it didn't fly further, next time
[00:25:10] it will fly, so Poland also needs to think about it, so I think,
[00:25:13] that the merging of technological efforts of
[00:25:16] the USA is still more... as they
[00:25:20] believe,
[00:25:22] from such prepared and technically
[00:25:25] equipped units of European
[00:25:28] NATO countries, and the experience of unmanned
[00:25:31] systems, and the enormous already
[00:25:34] experience of the ground component, and not only that, but also
[00:25:37] the naval, Ukrainian, this
[00:25:44] next, Putin saved NATO, if Putin
[00:25:47] had not attacked Ukraine. it would, frankly,
[00:25:51] continue to lose its bearings, they would not have increased
[00:25:55] any of their budget, as Trump shook them up,
[00:25:59] saying, "Come on, defend yourselves, not what you've been...
[00:26:02] sitting for decades and feeling great,
[00:26:06] putting everything into the civilian sector,
[00:26:09] making money, and then when something
[00:26:12] happens, asking the USA to cover us." No, it won't be
[00:26:15] like that anymore, so no one can say
[00:26:19] what will happen in the future, but what needs to be said is that we need to prepare
[00:26:23] for different scenarios, and the truth is that we don't
[00:26:26] know what alliance,
[00:26:29] what union will be in 20 years on the... territory
[00:26:32] of Europe, that is, it is obvious that Ukraine
[00:26:36] simply has today its orientations, which is a Western
[00:26:40] anchor, but this can be transformed. I
[00:26:43] already said that this will definitely be a gradual withdrawal of the USA, under
[00:26:47] any government in the USA, this is such a period for them, this
[00:26:51] will definitely preserve the interest of the United States anyway,
[00:26:54] presence, there will be bases, because
[00:26:57] without this, logistics to the Middle East and further to
[00:27:01] China is impossible, and... they, well, despite the fact that
[00:27:04] they are preparing for a clash with China, the USA, from only
[00:27:08] тільки
[00:27:10] the Pacific, let's say, theater of military
[00:27:14] operations, it is unlikely that this can be done, well, I mean, like World War II Pearl
[00:27:18] Harbor, there Australia, New Zealand, Korea,
[00:27:21] Japan, it will still be necessary to strengthen strategic aviation from this side as well, therefore
[00:27:25] everything will be as it
[00:27:28] is, the interests of countries, and Ukraine must orient itself not on
[00:27:31] slogans. but on its
[00:27:39] join NATO, we don't need to join NATO, or
[00:27:43] neutrality will now raise its head, I will only say one thing:
[00:27:46] Ukraine cannot remain a buffer zone, gray, as we
[00:27:50] were between Russia and NATO, that's one, Ukraine
[00:27:53] needs to anchor itself, to latch onto
[00:27:55] the Western vector of development and
[00:27:59] put up a wall against Eastern barbarians. a war
[00:28:02] of missile defense, a shield of missile
[00:28:06] systems, about which ballistic and cruise, that's what we need to do
[00:28:10] quickly, because Russia will not change, it will continue
[00:28:13] to be a very threatening element, whether it will
[00:28:17] disintegrate, this will threaten refugees and everything, or it will
[00:28:21] try aggressively to the last to be like the Soviet Union, we'll see,
[00:28:24] but it will be a threat, and this is a threat for Ukraine,
[00:28:39] the United States of America, but this week
[00:28:42] there's a new turn, because Zelensky fired Olga
[00:28:46] Stefanishyna from this post, and on August
[00:28:49] 5th, the National Anti-Corruption Bureau and
[00:28:52] the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office
[00:28:55] informed the former ambassador Olga
[00:28:58] Stefanishyna of suspicion
[00:29:01] yes. of illegal
[00:29:05] enrichment of over 13.9
[00:29:32] they comment on this Stefanishyna, someone immediately
[00:29:35] hates her, even those who previously supported her, let the
[00:29:38] court deal with it, the problem is elsewhere, why when
[00:29:42] appointing ambassadors, including Ms.
[00:29:44] Stefanishyna, we do not adhere to the law
[00:29:48] on diplomatic service all procedures,
[00:29:51] relevant checks, and I don't
[00:29:55] understand this, that is, this vulnerability was there from the very beginning
[00:29:58] and it did not contribute to
[00:30:00] the effectiveness of the work. in
[00:30:09] no law on sanctions,
[00:30:12] none, those laws that were before, they ended their
[00:30:16] actions, they are only perceived by inertia there, but the White
[00:30:20] House can lift all these sanctions, we need a law,
[00:30:23] and only the death of Lindsey Graham pushed
[00:30:26] the situation, his bill somehow started moving and all efforts are needed
[00:30:30] for it to be, in some form, voted on in September, that's one, secondly,
[00:30:34] 400 million is hanging unused in contracts,
[00:30:37] money that Congress allocated for weapons, we cannot
[00:30:41] get it, because now this money is blocked,
[00:30:45] and we may lose it, this is work that
[00:30:48] requires the personal