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[00:00:00] or opponents, or direct outright enemies of the United
[00:00:04] States of America, but are those who support
[00:00:07] the Russian Federation, for example, North Korea or
[00:00:11] Iran, and
[00:00:13] here, well, we'll see if this internal political
[00:00:17] situation, oddly enough, can play into the hands
[00:00:21] of Trump using these tools
[00:00:24] given to him. Ms. Ivanna, Donald Trump
[00:00:27] says that Russia has already attacked and... Allies
[00:00:31] of Ukraine and has been doing it for almost five
[00:00:34] years. In addition, he
[00:00:37] says that the
[00:00:40] Kremlin is carrying out attacks on
[00:00:43] Poland, and let's listen in more detail to what the President of the United States
[00:00:47] of America says.
[00:00:50] I think they have already attacked Ukraine's allies.
[00:00:54] They have been attacking Ukraine's allies for about 5
[00:00:57] years. I think everyone agrees with this... If you
[00:01:01] mean Poland, then they have a great
[00:01:04] president, he is a great admirer of Trump, I
[00:01:08] supported him, and now he is president, he is doing a great
[00:01:11] job, he keeps the situation under
[00:01:14] control, very interesting, that is, Trump
[00:01:18] says that the Kremlin is attacking Ukraine's
[00:01:21] allies, but does not say, forgetting that these
[00:01:25] are allies of the United States of America, so,
[00:01:28] why?
[00:01:33] I'm probably not an expert
[00:01:35] at deciphering daily statements that
[00:01:39] may contradict each other by the President
[00:01:42] of the United States of America, and here he is, well,
[00:01:45] partly saying things
[00:01:49] that, well, you can welcome, that he understands that
[00:01:52] Russia constantly attacks
[00:01:54] countries
[00:01:57] of the European Union and that this is not just some
[00:02:00] hybrid threats, but these are real attacks in various
[00:02:04] areas that have been happening for the past
[00:02:07] years, and at the same time President Trump
[00:02:11] highlights that these are, so to speak, allies of Ukraine and
[00:02:14] forgets that they have their
[00:02:17] obligations, there within the framework of the same
[00:02:20] fourth or fifth article
[00:02:23] of the Washington NATO Treaty, about the fact that this is actually
[00:02:27] an attack on the allies of the United States. in America,
[00:02:30] it's, well, sad to hear, and
[00:02:33] obviously for us it's also, well, such an alarming bell
[00:02:37] that Trump
[00:02:40] highlights not just Polish society,
[00:02:44] the Polish people, or the state of Poland as a country, but
[00:02:47] highlights, well, some purely
[00:02:51] personal enthusiasm
[00:02:53] of only the President
[00:02:56] of Poland, Nawrocki, for...
[00:03:00] for Trump, and only this causes,
[00:03:03] well, some emotional reaction in the President
[00:03:06] of the United States of America. Of course, I would like
[00:03:10] there to be more reliance on institutions, more reliance on the same
[00:03:14] national interests of the United States of America, which I
[00:03:17] am convinced that all US government services put
[00:03:21] on the table before the president. Well, and speaking of
[00:03:25] Ukraine's allies, here is President of Ukraine Volodymyr
[00:03:28] Zelensky expressed... fulfillment in building good relations with Poland,
[00:03:32] noting the importance of both countries protecting dignity in the
[00:03:35] face of a common enemy, and
[00:03:38] now we can listen to his direct
[00:03:40] speech. We are quite
[00:03:44] powerful neighbors and friends, we have a strong
[00:03:47] partnership, and we are open to any
[00:03:50] discussions on any topics, in order to
[00:03:53] achieve de-escalation of anything. From our side,
[00:03:57] we are open to this, yes, maybe and...
[00:04:00] sometimes we are too straightforward, but
[00:04:03] this is because I believe that if you are friends, you must be open
[00:04:07] and talk about everything that can be sensitive to both
[00:04:11] sides,
[00:04:13] but we need to be adult
[00:04:16] partners, we focus on
[00:04:19] the most important thing, we are friends, and
[00:04:23] Russia is an enemy, and I believe
[00:04:26] that any dialogue.
[00:04:32] must achieve common understanding and focus, and thanks
[00:04:36] to this we will cope with everything. This was said by Volodymyr
[00:04:39] Zelensky during the first Carpathian
[00:04:42] Eight summit. In your opinion, is it possible now to establish
[00:04:46] this mutual understanding,
[00:04:48] understanding between
[00:04:52] Kyiv and Warsaw, despite
[00:04:55] the fact that there are separate political forces that say they
[00:04:59] want to hold an independence march in
[00:05:03] Polish political forces, I mean, and all the rest, can
[00:05:06] and can the leaders
[00:05:09] of Poland, here we saw Donald Tusk, can they
[00:05:13] still, well, make friends, I don't know, resume? I believe that it is very
[00:05:17] good and valuable that Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk
[00:05:20] was again in Ukraine,
[00:05:22] and I believe that direct, immediate
[00:05:26] contacts, dialogue, more difficult,
[00:05:29] easier, but direct, immediate dialogue between
[00:05:32] нашими країнами, в тому числі і між керівництвом країн,
[00:05:36] this is fundamentally important and
[00:05:39] valuable, and indeed...
[00:05:42] I believe that we must make extraordinary efforts at all levels
[00:05:46] in order to succeed
[00:05:49] in evening out, well, as it seems to me,
[00:05:52] the unfairly aggravated situation
[00:05:55] between Polish and Ukrainian, well,
[00:05:59] part of the Polish government, part of Polish society,
[00:06:03] so to speak, and Ukraine,
[00:06:05] and in fact, this is not a matter of isolated
[00:06:09] statements, it is not a matter of isolated
[00:06:11] meetings, but it is a matter of systematic
[00:06:15] work, but obviously it is complicated
[00:06:18] by the internal situation, again, in Poland, the situation
[00:06:22] that in a year, however strange it may seem, and it would seem, in
[00:06:26] a year we do not live by such, unfortunately, categories
[00:06:29] today, such a serious political
[00:06:32] planning horizon, and there
[00:06:36] will be parliamentary elections and all
[00:06:39] this, all this aggravation. this
[00:06:43] anti-Ukrainian rhetoric
[00:06:47] and attacks and
[00:06:49] memories of, and such distorted memories of
[00:06:53] Ukrainian-Polish history,
[00:06:55] they are primarily connected with this and are definitely
[00:06:59] reinforced by Russian special services using,
[00:07:03] well, that's what it's called, there's such a term as useful
[00:07:06] idiots inside, including
[00:07:10] Polish society or Polish
[00:07:12] politics, and, well, actually,
[00:07:16] today I cannot say that we have completely managed
[00:07:19] to equalize the situation between Poland and Ukraine,
[00:07:23] well, but we expect and hear that now Poland
[00:07:27] is preparing a new additional package of military
[00:07:30] assistance to Ukraine, and we hope that
[00:07:34] this will be another step in strengthening our relations and
[00:07:38] understanding, and I fully agree with the President
[00:07:41] of Ukraine, understanding that we need to look to the
[00:07:45] future, and that we have a common enemy, and we have common,
[00:07:49] common tasks that we should focus on today,
[00:07:53] and not dive into an artificially
[00:07:56] created field of, well, such tension and
[00:08:00] negativity. If possible, one more short question
[00:08:03] and a very short answer, Mrs. Ivana, the creation
[00:08:07] of a separate European Security Council, about which Ursula spoke
[00:08:11] this week. Is this a real alternative
[00:08:14] to a paralyzed NATO, or just another useless
[00:08:18] bureaucracy? That is, can a new European
[00:08:22] security reality emerge
[00:08:24] from this? Mr. Serhiy, I do not see this
[00:08:28] as creating an alternative to the North Atlantic
[00:08:31] Alliance, Ursula von der Leyen herself does not talk
[00:08:35] about an alternative, but talks about the need among
[00:08:38] European partners, member states
[00:08:41] of the European Union, plus such countries as Norway,
[00:08:44] Great Britain, Canada, to create a consultative,
[00:08:47] operational mechanism of mutual assistance,
[00:08:51] which would help to be more effective in
[00:08:54] self-defense and self-protection, so we will see
[00:08:58] how the further proposals will specifically look like,
[00:09:01] she promised that together with the High
[00:09:04] Representative for Foreign Security Policy Kaja
[00:09:08] Kallas, they will jointly present their vision, and after
[00:09:11] that we can... discuss what it will actually be.
[00:09:15] Thank you for taking part in our broadcast, Ivanna
[00:09:18] Klympush-Tsintsadze, People's Deputy of Ukraine, Head of the Parliament's Committee on
[00:09:22] European Integration. So we
[00:09:25] also talked about Donald Trump's intentions, after all,
[00:09:29] yes, to impose sanctions,
[00:09:32] thanks to the new bill that he has already
[00:09:34] signed,
[00:09:37] whether it will really be, we'll see, but we heard the assessments, expectations from
[00:09:40] our guest, among others. we will talk about this tomorrow,
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[00:09:57] is developing in Russia, tomorrow so-called elections
[00:10:01] to the so-called State Duma of Russia, well, and of course these pseudo-elections
[00:10:05] will take place in the occupied territories
[00:10:08] of Russia and Ukraine, and we will have
[00:10:11] experts who will analyze this, talk about
[00:10:14] the future of this State Duma
[00:10:17] that will be elected, how legitimate it will be, what we will get
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[00:15:51] Hello, I'm Olha Len, these are chronicles of the information
[00:15:54] war, and lately discussions have somehow intensified
[00:15:57] about how to agree on something with Putin, diplomatically
[00:16:01] and so on,
[00:16:03] Donald Trump's friend. Stephen
[00:16:06] Witkoff and Donald Trump's son-in-law
[00:16:09] Jared Kushner went to
[00:16:13] Moscow, where they talked about something with Putin first,
[00:16:17] then came to Kyiv, talked
[00:16:20] with Zelensky, and after that Jared Kushner said that
[00:16:24] there is one question, it is necessary to
[00:16:27] give Putin the Donetsk region, and
[00:16:31] then, literally immediately after that Putin
[00:16:34] will calm down, well, you know, this...
[00:16:38] song about how Putin will calm down, just give him something,
[00:16:42] this is our good song, we start it again, not for the first time, we
[00:16:45] hear it, and against this background it is very interesting, of course,
[00:16:49] to see how Russians continue
[00:16:53] to attack not only Ukraine, but
[00:16:56] Europe. Well, about the terrorist attacks in Europe, we all
[00:16:59] saw them in Germany, and this has finally attracted
[00:17:03] attention, and here is the last attack
[00:17:06] carried out.
[00:17:09] Russians regarding Poland - this is another story, well,
[00:17:12] firstly, very, very
[00:17:15] much, it excited Russian propaganda
[00:17:17] the statement of Radosław
[00:17:20] Sikorski, the Minister of Foreign Affairs
[00:17:23] of Poland, it caused, well, and they discussed it for several days,
[00:17:27] and it caused literally a stormy reaction, which immediately
[00:17:30] shows that they do not want to fight
[00:17:34] with Europe at all, well, firstly, what did Sikorski say? Russia will attack
[00:17:38] us and we will take off our gloves. I think
[00:17:41] we will defeat Russia quite quickly. We have
[00:17:44] an advantage over Russia in air power.
[00:17:48] Generals, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's something around
[00:17:51] 2500 aircraft.
[00:17:54] Even without the US, this advantage still remains
[00:17:56] overwhelming. I haven't checked lately how many F-35s,
[00:18:00] JASM and all other deep
[00:18:04] strike capabilities we have. But if
[00:18:07] Ukrainians disabled half of Russia's oil refining capacity in six
[00:18:11] months, we could do it in six weeks and destroy the other
[00:18:14] half,
[00:18:17] well, obviously, if you hit with missiles, then it will turn out somehow
[00:18:20] better, well, he said
[00:18:23] the obvious, that if you don't sit and say, oh,
[00:18:27] how terrible Russia is, how terrible Putin is, then it turns out
[00:18:31] that the combined military power of Europe is greater,
[00:18:34] and this is, well, just for Russian propaganda... there was
[00:18:38] some, I don't know, a direct explosion
[00:18:41] of the brain, they immediately started
[00:18:44] shouting, how to destroy
[00:18:48] Poland again, how they will destroy
[00:18:51] Poland in two or three days, well, for example, the famous
[00:18:55] deputy of the State Duma of Russia
[00:18:58] Zhuravlov, and here he distinguished himself,
[00:19:02] said that, well, literally,
[00:19:05] if you start a world war...
[00:20:07] this idea, you know, that world wars
[00:20:10] started because of Poland, this is certainly a very strange idea,
[00:20:14] if it is obvious that it was not at all like that,
[00:20:17] especially concerning the Second World
[00:20:19] War, but -
[00:20:23] well, it's not surprising if Poland was part of
[00:20:27] the Russian Empire, then it doesn't want to be in this
[00:20:30] Russian Empire again, and somehow, perhaps,
[00:20:33] this makes, well, it makes it more understandable
[00:20:37] for Poland that, in principle, Russians
[00:20:40] are evil, well, one might think that, well,
[00:20:43] some Zhuravlov, who is he, but also
[00:20:47] the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, Serhiy Lavrov, also
[00:20:51] decided to express his opinion regarding how they would
[00:20:53] fight with the European Union. And here
[00:20:57] it turned out that the old mare also had some such
[00:21:00] direct dreams of war with
[00:21:02] the EU. If Europe, which daily
[00:21:06] talks about preparing for war with Russia, attacks
[00:21:09] Russia, it will be a different war, and it will be very
[00:21:12] short. I hope that this warning is heard in
[00:21:16] European capitals. Well, and
[00:21:20] finally, Patrushev, who
[00:21:23] is now an adviser to the President of the Russian Federation,
[00:21:27] he was the head of the FSB,
[00:21:30] also spoke, but he already directly in
[00:21:34] the style of early Solovyov, who talked about taking
[00:21:37] Kyiv in two or three days, now he talks about
[00:21:41] Poland itself,
[00:21:42] Patrushev.
[00:21:45] Speaking of Poland's military advantage over Russia, Sikorski,
[00:21:49] judging by... everything, does not realize that if Poland
[00:21:52] enters into military actions against Russia, our country
[00:21:56] will use its entire arsenal of available forces and
[00:21:59] means, and Polish statehood will cease
[00:22:01] to exist in 2-3 days.
[00:22:05] Familiar, yes, well, that's what their thoughts
[00:22:08] are actually like. And against this background,
[00:22:11] you know, what's interesting is that in fact, waiting
[00:22:14] for some attack, or anything else, neither Poland
[00:22:18] nor other EU countries should,
[00:22:22] because it is necessary to react
[00:22:26] to Russia's aggressive actions first of all to aggressive
[00:22:29] actions that take place in the airspace, all these drone
[00:22:32] attacks, all these missile flights into the territory
[00:22:36] of Romania, Poland, all this requires
[00:22:39] a reaction right now, and, given
[00:22:43] that advantage that Sikorski spoke about, 2500
[00:22:47] planes, well, perhaps, it's worth reacting
[00:22:50] to this somehow now and already starting to do
[00:22:54] something with those drones that are flying already simply
[00:22:57] demonstratively and directly hitting near the border
[00:23:01] with Poland, and here also an important thing
[00:23:03] happened, against the background of all these thoughts about how
[00:23:07] exactly now we need to
[00:23:11] reconcile with Putin, Putin decided that he needed to demonstrate
[00:23:15] something and hit near the border with Poland
[00:23:18] a train. And according to
[00:23:22] Russian tradition, it was obviously a passenger train, well,
[00:23:26] because what else can be hit, and
[00:23:29] here, you know, it's worth
[00:23:32] thinking about, because it's obvious that this happened not
[00:23:35] by accident, and it's obvious that this, well, also became
[00:23:38] such a, you know, demonstration, well, firstly, Russian
[00:23:42] propagandists of course, absolutely joyfully report
[00:23:46] about it.
[00:23:51] Strikes on Volyn stirred Warsaw, Prime Minister Donald
[00:23:54] Tusk convened an urgent meeting today.
[00:23:56] Where he announced that Putin's next target will be already on the territory
[00:24:00] of Poland.
[00:24:04] Tusk was frightened by the incident in the area near the border with Ukraine in the city
[00:24:08] of Yahodyn. There, a Russian drone destroyed
[00:24:11] a locomotive literally 15 minutes after
[00:24:14] the train left the station.
[00:24:18] Think about it, a train with Boris Johnson and Chancellor
[00:24:21] Merz's advisor. In another train, at the same time, was
[00:24:25] former CIA head David
[00:24:27] Petraeus.
[00:24:30] Sun sources claim that the real target was Boris
[00:24:34] Johnson. And he was saved only by an earlier
[00:24:37] departure. Is it
[00:24:39] true?
[00:24:42] Regarding whether it's true, let's see what Russian propaganda says about this,
[00:24:45] because, of course, hitting passenger
[00:24:49] trains. Well, even Russian propagandists need to
[00:24:53] explain something about this, but here, you know, another
[00:24:56] question arises, well, would these attacks have happened near
[00:24:59] the Polish border, at the checkpoint,
[00:25:03] on trains, if Poland had earlier
[00:25:07] decided to join
[00:25:09] the Ukrainian air defense and together with the Ukrainian
[00:25:13] air defense shoot down drones and missiles that fly near
[00:25:16] the borders of Poland. I think not, these... now
[00:25:20] we would not have had incidents,
[00:25:23] so maybe it's worth thinking about it now, not just
[00:25:26] gathering and saying: well, the next target will be on
[00:25:29] Polish territory, not just waiting for the next target on
[00:25:33] Polish territory, but shooting down what is flying to Ukraine over
[00:25:36] Ukrainian territory, and not allowing
[00:25:40] it to fly at least over western Ukraine, since EU
[00:25:44] countries have such power that they can do all this easily and
[00:25:47] simply, well, and finally. Here's what Russian propagandists say, just
[00:25:51] note that all this happens in the same,
[00:25:54] in the same message, on the one hand they
[00:25:58] quote that it was a train going to Warsaw.
[00:26:02] On the other hand, they tell some literally fairy tales that
[00:26:06] there was some weapon, well, which are
[00:26:09] completely inconsistent with each other, but who among
[00:26:12] Russian propagandists will sort it out, because for
[00:26:15] the Russian boor, it's absolutely the same what they will
[00:26:18] hang on his ears.
[00:26:22] Poland condemned the Russian drone attack on a passenger train traveling
[00:26:25] from Kyiv to Warsaw, not far from the border with Ukraine. The drone
[00:26:29] hit the train just 2 km from the border. The strike
[00:26:32] was exactly on NATO
[00:26:33] supplies.
[00:26:39] The locomotive, which was supposed to transport weapons for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, burned
[00:26:42] down, its front part is completely destroyed. The scheme of the Ukrainian
[00:26:46] authorities is simple and cynical, several wagons with
[00:26:50] weapons are attached to a passenger train on the Polish border, then to
[00:26:53] Ukraine.
[00:26:56] Well, that is, the train went from Kyiv to
[00:26:59] Warsaw, they attached
[00:27:03] weapons to it, why transport NATO weapons from
[00:27:06] Kyiv to Warsaw?
[00:27:09] A rhetorical question, obviously, everything else is also a complete
[00:27:12] lie, that is, and, well,
[00:27:15] note that while saying that it was
[00:27:19] a military target, they showed absolutely a passenger train, from
[00:27:23] which people were running, well, that is, such military
[00:27:26] targets are in the Russian Federation, well, I repeat once again,
[00:27:29] maybe it's time to react to this not just with some
[00:27:33] concern, but by helping
[00:27:35] Ukraine shoot down all this that is flying
[00:27:39] and somehow, well, do something. something, to counteract
[00:27:42] practically, after all, I don't think it's
[00:27:46] that dangerous for EU and NATO countries if they
[00:27:50] shoot down a drone or a missile flying over
[00:27:53] Ukrainian territory, this is not an attack on the Russian Federation
[00:27:56] at all, so why isn't this being done, it's time to do it,
[00:28:00] absolutely, well and so... this news itself, you know,
[00:28:03] about this train, the attempt to hit a
[00:28:06] diplomatic train, as it turned out, it's
[00:28:09] so wild and so
[00:28:12] demonstrative that, for example, Russian propagandist Mordan didn't even
[00:28:16] immediately believe it and spoke about it as if it were some kind
[00:28:19] of fake. On Sunday, some
[00:28:23] fantastic strange news appeared.
[00:28:27] Which did not reach my consciousness.
[00:28:30] Because, honestly, I didn't believe it.
[00:28:34] Well, what I bought, that's what I'm selling to you now.
[00:28:38] Allegedly on Sunday, during one of our
[00:28:41] drone attacks.
[00:28:43] The attack was carried out on targets in Western Ukraine.
[00:28:47] A locomotive, the so-called diplomatic
[00:28:50] train, was hit.
[00:28:52] Well, it didn't take long for
[00:28:56] Mardan to already believe it and say that
[00:29:00] it was all planned that way, and that it's completely... normal
[00:29:03] to hit literally any trains with
[00:29:07] people, something
[00:29:09] happened, now everything is very uneven, and
[00:29:13] in fact this drone, this reactive package that
[00:29:16] flew along the railway in western Ukraine, of course, this
[00:29:20] is a signal, of course, this is a package,
[00:29:23] a parcel, yes, a diplomatic
[00:29:26] parcel, there's no need to travel, it signaled Johnson
[00:29:30] and all other national security advisors. The Russian Ministry of
[00:29:33] Defense, well, the already mentioned deputy Djuralyov generally
[00:29:36] said that this needs to be somehow better
[00:29:39] aimed so as to kill Europeans
[00:29:43] who are on trains,
[00:29:46] follow, like an attack, they say that this is also aggression against Polish
[00:29:50] territory,
[00:29:52] the Polish-Ukrainian border, against Ukrainian territory, they are afraid of Polish, and why do
[00:29:55] I have Boris Johnson, I only have one question, why didn't they
[00:29:59] hit? Well, that is, somehow, you know, from
[00:30:02] conversations about it being a military target, something
[00:30:06] probably hooked some wagons with
[00:30:09] weapons to the train that was going to Warsaw, it all came down to
[00:30:12] the fact that it's a signal,
[00:30:16] uh, that we will hit and
[00:30:19] we will hit passenger trains that
[00:30:22] go near European borders, these
[00:30:26] are, you know, the peaceful plans of the Russian Federation, and what's even more
[00:30:29] amazing about this is when American negotiators
[00:30:33] talk about how after the elections that
[00:30:36] are happening in the Russian Federation, something will happen there, after
[00:30:40] that Putin will be ready for negotiations, this is a very strange
[00:30:44] idea, if you listen to Putin's last statement, well, Vladimir
[00:30:47] Putin addressed Russians before
[00:30:50] the State Duma elections, they will take place, let me remind you,
[00:30:53] on September 18-20, what did he
[00:30:56] state there, he stated that participation in the voting should...