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[00:00:00] question, why didn't they hit? Well, that is, you know, from
[00:00:04] discussions that these are military targets, that they probably attached
[00:00:08] some weapons cars to a train that
[00:00:12] was going to Warsaw, everything boiled down to well, this is
[00:00:15] a signal that we will strike and we will
[00:00:19] strike passenger trains that
[00:00:22] go near European borders, such
[00:00:26] peaceful plans from the Russian Federation. And it's even more
[00:00:30] amazing when American
[00:00:33] negotiators talk about how after the elections that
[00:00:36] are taking place in the Russian Federation, something will happen
[00:00:40] after that, Putin will be ready for negotiations. This is
[00:00:43] a very strange idea, if you listen to Putin's last statement. Volodymyr
[00:00:47] Putin addressed Russians before
[00:00:50] the State Duma elections, which will take place, let me remind you,
[00:00:53] on September 18-20. What did he
[00:00:56] say? He said that participation in the voting should
[00:01:00] demonstrate support for Russian military personnel and become
[00:01:03] a common response to those who, according to him, want to weaken
[00:01:07] Russia. "Your choice and will will once again
[00:01:10] show that behind our soldiers are millions of people, that
[00:01:14] we are a united nation," Putin said, and he called participation in the elections
[00:01:17] a contribution to strengthening the country, and the
[00:01:21] voting itself a common contribution to Russia's victory.
[00:01:24] Such peacefulness. And Putin also said that these
[00:01:28] elections will be a largely decisive
[00:01:32] election campaign, but I am afraid that this is not at all what
[00:01:36] the American negotiators
[00:01:39] think, and it is not at all that, you know, message
[00:01:43] for peace, because well,
[00:01:46] whoever wants peace, probably does not say before the elections that
[00:01:49] if you demonstrate and go to the elections, then you
[00:01:52] demonstrate support for the war, right?
[00:01:56] So what is the significance of this campaign?
[00:02:01] And here everything is also clear from Putin's statement. He said
[00:02:05] that for the first time, residents of the occupied territories
[00:02:08] after 2022 will vote. And
[00:02:12] I think this is already what
[00:02:15] he is trying, what the Russian Federation and
[00:02:18] the Kremlin are trying to push to the American
[00:02:22] negotiators from Trump. That, you see, we will seemingly secure
[00:02:26] these territories in the elections, even with this voting.
[00:02:30] as part of the Russian Federation, and this will be an additional, as it were,
[00:02:34] trump card in negotiations. But this will not be
[00:02:37] any trump card, because, as is known, there are no elections
[00:02:41] in Russia at all, there is no one
[00:02:44] to choose from, because the only, well, more or less
[00:02:48] opposition party, Yabloko, was removed from the elections, all
[00:02:51] other parties are just ordinary right-wing
[00:02:55] or left-wing additional arm of the Kremlin and nothing
[00:02:59] more. Well, the elections themselves, as it turned out, are also very strange, because they
[00:03:02] have an electronic system for these elections, and hackers
[00:03:06] just before the elections broke into it and found that, it turns out,
[00:03:10] there is not even a safeguard against
[00:03:13] falsification, that is, it is possible in this system, well,
[00:03:17] literally any numbers can be entered, any
[00:03:20] falsifications can be made after, you know,
[00:03:24] the preliminary protocols were entered, well, that is, in principle, it can
[00:03:28] simply be used to draw any election result,
[00:03:31] that is, from this we can say
[00:03:34] one thing, that all these
[00:03:37] talks about Putin
[00:03:41] being ready for something, that the election campaign in the Russian Federation
[00:03:44] will end, and this will show something and something there, all this
[00:03:48] is only about one thing, about this election
[00:03:52] campaign of the Russian Federation and these very talks
[00:03:55] Putin considers as something that should legitimize
[00:04:00] his capture of Ukrainian territory, well,
[00:04:03] something like, you know, with Crimea-2, that's how it is in
[00:04:07] Crimea, in principle, it's absolutely, in the end,
[00:04:09] illegitimate, because referendums,
[00:04:12] voting, well, in Crimea,
[00:04:16] literally under the muzzles of automatic rifles, nothing
[00:04:20] actually confirms anything to anyone, and the same
[00:04:23] here. Therefore,
[00:04:27] talking about this as something that will become
[00:04:31] an explanation of why we need to give
[00:04:33] Putin those regions that he wrote down in his
[00:04:37] constitution,
[00:04:39] and this is something he will stop at. No, this
[00:04:43] also doesn't work, because unfortunately, it
[00:04:47] only says that just give
[00:04:50] Putin, well, the
[00:04:52] opportunity in this
[00:04:55] way, well, to seemingly capture
[00:04:58] territories, right? Give him the opportunity
[00:05:01] to believe that all this will be given to him and
[00:05:05] approved, and he will continue to attack other countries,
[00:05:09] and one can say that here Poland will be
[00:05:13] one of the first on the list, as it turned out, because the rhetoric
[00:05:17] concerning it has been quite
[00:05:20] a long time and quite aggressive, these are not the first such
[00:05:24] things, and not the first attempt to say something towards
[00:05:28] Poland, I'm not even talking about the Baltic countries, which are just
[00:05:31] considered such an easy target,
[00:05:34] which is a small territory, so Russian troops can seemingly
[00:05:38] quickly pass through, therefore no elections, this is not a
[00:05:42] path to peace, nor are negotiations with
[00:05:45] Putin a path to peace. Only in fact
[00:05:48] the overthrow of Putin's regime, the overthrow
[00:05:52] of the Russian Federation in general, and
[00:05:54] well, inflicting
[00:05:56] defeat
[00:05:59] on the Russian Federation in this war, this is the real path to peace and to
[00:06:02] preventing this from
[00:06:18] Every day, Russian aggression brings destruction and pain to Ukraine, but
[00:06:22] no crime should go unpunished. The international register
[00:06:25] of damages for Ukraine is the first step towards receiving compensation, created under
[00:06:29] the auspices of the Council of Europe, to record every loss since February 24,
[00:06:33] 2022. Anyone can submit an application.
[00:06:37] People who have lost their home, property, or job, those who have survived captivity or lost
[00:06:40] loved ones, businesses, and the state. Ukraine has 43
[00:06:44] categories of applications. You can submit one or more applications in different
[00:06:48] categories through the web portal Diia. Most of the information
[00:06:51] will be automatically pulled. It is free and does not require
[00:06:54] lawyers. Your data is confidential and protected.
[00:06:58] The register accepts and processes applications from victims for compensation for damages,
[00:07:02] losses, and harm caused by Russian aggression. Next,
[00:07:05] a future international compensation commission for
[00:07:08] Ukraine will consider applications and make decisions on payments. It will determine
[00:07:12] the amounts from the future compensation fund. Do not
[00:07:15] wait for the war to end, submit an application to the register today.
[00:07:34] Hello, this is the Eastern Shield program. And today we are talking
[00:07:37] about the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donetsk region. Russian
[00:07:41] 20th and 25th armies are under threat of
[00:07:44] destruction. Warsaw in three days. Moscow
[00:07:47] threatens to destroy the Polish state. After it
[00:07:51] takes Mala Tokmachka. NATO
[00:07:53] must close the sky over Lviv. Poland is actively
[00:07:57] lobbying for this proposal. The Yamal cross in the throat
[00:08:00] of the Kremlin. Ukraine is preparing for a strategic
[00:08:03] operation that will turn the tide
[00:08:05] of the war.
[00:08:09] Warsaw in 2-3 days.
[00:08:12] Nikolai Patrushev, assistant to the Russian dictator, who
[00:08:16] became a real star in 2018
[00:08:19] after smuggling 400 kg of cocaine
[00:08:23] from Argentina, threatens to wipe Warsaw
[00:08:27] off the face of the earth. And why can't they deal with
[00:08:30] Kyiv for the fifth year, which they also
[00:08:33] planned to take in 2-3 days? Well, of course,
[00:08:37] because they haven't even seriously
[00:08:39] started yet. In the event of Poland's
[00:08:43] entry into the war against Russia, our country will use its entire
[00:08:46] arsenal of forces and means, and Polish statehood
[00:08:49] will cease to exist in two or three days. At the same time, during the Special Military Operation, the Russian army
[00:08:53] apparently does not use its full potential. Nikolai
[00:08:57] Patrushev, former head of the FSB, assistant to the Kremlin chief Vladimir
[00:09:00] Putin. We believe, and why not believe? Mala
[00:09:04] Tokmachka, don't let me lie.
[00:09:08] Seriously speaking, it's one thing when some Russian
[00:09:11] propagandist talks about the omnipotent Russian army... which hasn't even started yet,
[00:09:14] but when such delirium comes from a career Chekist,
[00:09:17] and during the Ukrainian counteroffensive in the north
[00:09:21] of Donetsk region, then
[00:09:24] this, then this is in our favor.
[00:09:28] The visions that periodically appear in their
[00:09:31] heads definitely do not coincide with the realities
[00:09:34] of war. And they are such: Ukraine
[00:09:37] for the first time struck at a distance of more than 300
[00:09:41] km, and this time not just anywhere, but right
[00:09:44] near the solar plexus of the Russian
[00:09:47] state, near the famous
[00:09:50] Yamal cross. On September 9,
[00:09:53] 2026, the defense forces conducted
[00:09:56] an unprecedented operation, striking
[00:09:59] simultaneously two strategic enterprises
[00:10:02] of the gas condensate industry of Russia in the Yamal-Nenets
[00:10:06] Autonomous Okrug. The Novy Urengoy and
[00:10:10] Purovsky gas condensate plants were hit,
[00:10:13] with a capacity of 19 and 13 million tons of raw materials per
[00:10:17] year, respectively. This attack became an absolute
[00:10:20] record for range during the entire full-scale war.
[00:10:24] FPV drones covered more than 300
[00:10:28] km from the Ukrainian border. The myth of the
[00:10:30] strategic rear of the Russian Federation has long been
[00:10:34] dispelled. It's not for nothing that Beijing in early
[00:10:37] September asked Kyiv not to strike
[00:10:40] Vladivostok during the economic forum, which was attended
[00:10:44] by the Vice Premier of the State Council
[00:10:46] of the PRC. They know we
[00:10:49] can. Moscow knows this too. Already
[00:10:52] in spring, ex-Defense Minister Shoigu
[00:10:55] complained that the Urals were already under threat, so this
[00:10:59] time the Kremlin panicked for another
[00:11:02] reason, the strike landed within a few kilometers of
[00:11:05] the strategic Yamal cross.
[00:11:09] The Yamal cross is a unique gas transportation hub
[00:11:12] located in the frozen tundra, near the village of Pangody, in
[00:11:16] the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug. This is not just
[00:11:19] a crossroads, but a strategic geographical point where
[00:11:23] 17 main high-pressure
[00:11:25] gas pipelines converge into one powerful
[00:11:28] node. From space, the object resembles a clearly defined
[00:11:32] geometric cross in the middle of the tundra. Through this small
[00:11:35] piece of land, up to 85%
[00:11:39] of all natural gas produced in the Russian
[00:11:42] Federation is transported. So far, this is just a test
[00:11:46] shot, a reconnaissance in force. So it's not worth expecting that tomorrow
[00:11:50] Ukraine will destroy it. Pipes are difficult
[00:11:53] to damage, they are deep underground, and they can be repaired quite
[00:11:57] quickly, but our planners at
[00:12:00] the General Staff know exactly what to hit: plants for
[00:12:04] gas preparation and de-ethanization that
[00:12:07] feed this hub, compressor stations, cryogenic
[00:12:10] units. To restore operation, it will take from three to five years,
[00:12:14] some facilities under sanctions,
[00:12:18] Russia will not be able to rebuild at all. In August
[00:12:21] 2021, even before full-scale sanctions,
[00:12:25] only one condensate de-ethanization unit
[00:12:29] burned down at the Novy Urengoy plant, and it took Gazprom
[00:12:33] three years to rebuild it. The destruction of key
[00:12:36] technological nodes of the Yamal cross
[00:12:38] will cause a cumulative effect. Since Russia will not
[00:12:42] be able to quickly repair the plants, it will have to mothball or
[00:12:46] simply burn gas into the air at the
[00:12:49] fields themselves, and this will lead to irreversible damage to
[00:12:53] wells in permafrost and besides, this
[00:12:57] gas is the basic raw material for giant
[00:13:00] chemical plants that produce ammonia and
[00:13:03] nitric acid. Without nitric acid, Russian
[00:13:06] industry will not be able to produce gunpowder,
[00:13:09] explosives, artillery shells, and rocket
[00:13:12] fuel. The shutdown of this hub could lead to
[00:13:15] disruptions in the operation of the largest thermal power plants, which
[00:13:19] provide energy to industrial enterprises
[00:13:22] of the Urals, Volga region, and Moscow. And... This, in turn,
[00:13:25] could significantly complicate the work of Russian heavy
[00:13:29] industry, particularly enterprises that produce tanks and
[00:13:33] armored vehicles. The Yamal cross, stuck in the Kremlin's
[00:13:36] throat, will mean the end of the
[00:13:39] war, but we currently lack significant resources for
[00:13:43] this action. It is very difficult to take out such a huge
[00:13:46] infrastructure with drones alone; we need to wait for
[00:13:50] ballistic missiles. The war for the sky has become the key
[00:13:53] battle of this
[00:13:56] war, both for Ukraine and for
[00:13:58] Russia.
[00:14:02] Unable to protect its Siberia, the Kremlin
[00:14:05] turned on the mode of pure terrorism. Russians began
[00:14:09] systematically striking large food warehouses,
[00:14:12] civilian hubs, and fuel infrastructure deep inside
[00:14:16] Ukraine. This week they even started targeting gas stations
[00:14:20] in Kyiv. Why is this terror? In
[00:14:23] Kyiv, there are almost half a thousand gas stations, about a thousand
[00:14:26] supermarkets, almost 2 thousand pharmacies. Kyiv residents
[00:14:30] will not be left without fuel, without food, without medicine.
[00:14:34] These attacks achieve no military goal; this is
[00:14:37] simply intimidation.
[00:14:40] As is the destruction of a gas station right at the border crossing with
[00:14:44] Poland, 800 meters from the border.
[00:14:47] Apparently, after receiving information that a special train with
[00:14:51] European politicians who
[00:14:54] were returning from the Yalta conference would pass through it,
[00:14:57] it was decided to strike the checkpoint. This is
[00:15:01] a deliberate action, because the Russians even published
[00:15:04] a video of how they hunted this train. These
[00:15:08] drone attacks are blind terror against the Ukrainian civilian
[00:15:12] population and a dangerous escalation of Putin's
[00:15:14] war. Russia is becoming increasingly
[00:15:17] unscrupulous and is playing with fire right on the border of the European Union
[00:15:21] and NATO. Robin Wagener, Bundestag deputy.
[00:15:25] The coming weeks and months could be a period of very
[00:15:29] intense Russian actions. Warsaw is not going to watch
[00:15:32] silently. Poland's security is facing direct and
[00:15:36] unscrupulous threats.
[00:15:39] Donald Tusk, Prime Minister of Poland. Putin's terror
[00:15:43] is knocking on NATO's door. Russian barbarians are standing at your
[00:15:46] gates, dear partners. We need uncompromising
[00:15:50] steps, a full embargo, and immediate help in closing
[00:15:53] the sky, including jet interceptors. Andriy
[00:15:57] Sibiga, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. The
[00:16:01] Ukrainian minister's statement was promptly responded to by his
[00:16:05] Polish colleague. Radosław Sikorski suggested
[00:16:08] closing the sky over the western regions
[00:16:10] of Ukraine. According to the Polish minister.
[00:16:14] If we could create a no-fly zone and protect
[00:16:17] the western regions of Ukraine, and let's say, allow
[00:16:21] Ukraine to reopen the airport in Lviv, we would be doing
[00:16:24] a service to both Ukraine and ourselves. Radosław
[00:16:27] Sikorski, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland. Moreover,
[00:16:31] the Kremlin is only going to escalate the degree
[00:16:34] of air terror. Dmitry Peskov cynically and
[00:16:38] publicly stated this after the attack on the border. On September 15,
[00:16:41] 2026, NATO fighters
[00:16:44] for the first time shot down a Russian drone in
[00:16:48] Lithuanian airspace. The UAV crossed the Lithuanian border
[00:16:52] from Belarus and moved west towards
[00:16:55] Trakai district. It was shot down by Italian fighters from
[00:16:59] the Air Base in Šiauliai, which are performing an air
[00:17:02] policing mission. Well,
[00:17:05] I want to express my satisfaction that the military
[00:17:08] quickly reacted and detected it. Allies took to the air, and in this
[00:17:12] case, our Italian partners shot down the drone, creating
[00:17:16] no danger to either buildings or, most importantly,
[00:17:18] to human lives. And this is exactly the
[00:17:22] example that shows that if we really want to, we
[00:17:25] can, and the further, the more we will improve our
[00:17:29] detection capabilities and take very rapid
[00:17:32] response measures to protect our people. I
[00:17:35] propose to focus on why such drones
[00:17:39] fly in, and why my
[00:17:42] country, Lithuania,
[00:17:44] also Latvia, Poland, Estonia,
[00:17:48] why they suffer from such flights,
[00:17:51] this, in my opinion, is Russian aggression, this is
[00:17:54] part of the ongoing
[00:17:58] Russian aggression. The entire territory of Ukraine, not just
[00:18:01] Kyiv, can be in the strike zone. If old
[00:18:05] piston Shaheds can be shot down in a whole
[00:18:08] minute, then for high-speed jets we only have
[00:18:12] 6 seconds.
[00:18:15] That is why the effectiveness of drone air defense has dropped from
[00:18:18] 95% to 60%. But if anyone
[00:18:22] thinks this is Armageddon, it's not. The worst-case
[00:18:25] scenario has already been thwarted by the defense forces. In
[00:18:29] autumn, the enemy planned to put terror on an assembly line. Russian
[00:18:33] factories were supposed to produce hundreds of cheaper
[00:18:36] and simplified modifications of heavy aviation missiles
[00:18:40] Kh-101 and Kh-59 monthly. Mass
[00:18:43] launches were planned to adapt frontline fighters
[00:18:46] Su-34 and the newest Su-57, to
[00:18:49] overload Ukrainian air defense with strikes
[00:18:52] from different directions. The key element of this plan was to be
[00:18:56] the Avitek plant in Kirov, which is part of the Almaz-Antey
[00:19:00] concern. It was here, in the deep rear,
[00:19:03] that additional production lines were deployed
[00:19:06] for assembling critical aviation components, engines, and
[00:19:10] ejection systems. But on July 24, Flamingo,
[00:19:13] having covered more than 1200 km, struck the
[00:19:17] enterprise and destroyed the main assembly and
[00:19:20] tool shops with unique equipment. As
[00:19:24] a result, the scaling of Russia's missile program may be
[00:19:28] postponed by at least a year. But what to do with
[00:19:31] the existing threat? Shooting down aircraft is extremely
[00:19:35] expensive, and missiles for this, although not as scarce as for
[00:19:39] Patriots, are also not infinite.
[00:19:42] The second jet interceptor has already passed
[00:19:45] tests, but it is important not to repeat the mistake of
[00:19:48] creating countermeasures for gasoline Shaheds. All
[00:19:52] resources were then thrown into the production of interceptors, but
[00:19:55] the production of their own anti-aircraft missile systems
[00:19:59] was not taken care of, cheap, mass-produced and
[00:20:02] effective ones. Any defense works best
[00:20:06] in a complex. It is deep and has different
[00:20:09] echelons. We hope that conclusions have been drawn. At
[00:20:12] the defense exhibition in Poland in Kielce, the Koral
[00:20:16] air defense system became a real sensation. It was shown
[00:20:20] for the first time. The missile was developed by the state Kyiv
[00:20:23] Luch Design Bureau, creators of the famous Neptun.
[00:20:27] The missile weighs 450 kg. Of these, 36
[00:20:31] account for the warhead. Koral has an inertial navigation
[00:20:35] system, radio correction, and an active
[00:20:38] radar homing head, meaning the missile not only receives commands
[00:20:42] from the ground, it also detects the target itself and guides to it.
[00:20:46] The development of the air defense system began in 2016, and in
[00:20:50] 2021, its readiness was estimated at
[00:20:53] 70%. The version of Koral currently presented
[00:20:56] in Poland is significantly updated. At the same time, unlike
[00:21:00] the PAC-3 MSE, which destroys targets with a direct
[00:21:03] kinetic impact, Koral uses a proximity fuse
[00:21:06] and hits the target with a cloud of high-density
[00:21:09] fragments. This design is simpler and cheaper, and
[00:21:13] therefore can be quickly launched into mass production, without
[00:21:17] dependence on scarce components. There were many
[00:21:21] more top presentations by Ukrainian manufacturers at the exhibition,
[00:21:24] and more on them later, but now about Koral, about
[00:21:27] Ukrainian ballistics and Ukrainian anti-ballistics, about
[00:21:31] jet Shaheds, we speak with Anatoliy
[00:21:34] Khrapchinsky, who returned from Kielce from the international
[00:21:37] defense industry exhibition. Anatoliy
[00:21:41] Khrapchinsky, aviation expert, former officer
[00:21:44] of the Ukrainian Air Force, Director of Development of a defense
[00:21:48] enterprise. Mr. Anatoliy, I salute you, you were
[00:21:51] in that photo from the exhibition in Kielce, radiating such joy,
[00:21:55] sitting at the controls of an F-35,
[00:21:58] that it is immediately clear that former air force officers do not
[00:22:01] cease to be. Please tell me, how fundamentally different is this from the
[00:22:05] F-16s that we have, and do we generally have such
[00:22:08] ambition or a dream to ever get such machines, because the Poles, it seems,
[00:22:12] have F-35s. The Poles have F-35s,
[00:22:16] actually, compared to F-16s, I managed to
[00:22:20] sit in an F-16 cockpit back in the early 2000s, but here
[00:22:24] it should be noted that in reality these are completely different technologies, completely different
[00:22:27] capabilities, accordingly it must be said that the cost
[00:22:30] of using such an aircraft is much higher, and
[00:22:34] therefore, of course, we should dream of fifth-generation aircraft
[00:22:37] that we could use in our air forces, but in
[00:22:41] my opinion, for now, the most effective
[00:22:44] means that we could get would be Gripen aircraft,
[00:22:47] because they are significantly cheaper in terms of resources, and
[00:22:50] they were built exclusively for
[00:22:53] a war with a neighboring country, because they
[00:22:57] have the anticipated capability of taking off from road
[00:23:00] surfaces and the anticipated capability
[00:23:03] of dispersing aircraft to nearby,
[00:23:07] for example, some clearings or forests, so here we are talking about
[00:23:10] the safety
[00:23:13] of aircraft being located not on one large airfield, because America
[00:23:16] is still, let's say, either an aircraft carrier or
[00:23:20] a separate continent where they are located, and they do not have such ground threats as
[00:23:24] we do from the Russian Federation, therefore, it must be said that,
[00:23:28] yes, this aircraft can be used as
[00:23:31] a modern defense system
[00:23:34] that can counteract many
[00:23:37] threats, but at the same time, when we are fighting an enemy who
[00:23:40] launches hundreds and thousands of drones
[00:23:43] costing $100, it is clear that the cost
[00:23:47] of one missile from an F-35, which
[00:23:50] comparatively costs over half a million dollars, accordingly, this
[00:23:54] is an unprofitable use. And what is the F-35 for then, what is its
[00:23:58] mission, what are these aircraft for then? They
[00:24:01] were created for large contracts, they were created in
[00:24:05] those times, during the arms race, when
[00:24:08] they were created in peacetime from possible
[00:24:11] future threats, because in principle the F-35 can fly in
[00:24:15] a group with drones that can
[00:24:18] perform, that is, it will be known, leading,
[00:24:21] the drones will be known and will perform certain tasks, so I would say
[00:24:25] that in reality here
[00:24:28] there is
[00:24:30] an interesting solution that they can use, but
[00:24:34] again, this is a more modern, more technological
[00:24:38] war, which involves the use of such equipment, for now we
[00:24:41] are fighting an enemy who actively uses Chinese
[00:24:44] components, Chinese engines and
[00:24:47] saturates its weapons with cheap elements. Clear, well,
[00:24:50] it turns out that the F-35 is an airplane for the rich, right?
[00:24:54] Please tell me, do the Russians have fifth-generation aircraft, or do they want
[00:24:58] to have fifth-generation aircraft, or is this
[00:25:00] 4.5 generation that they have
[00:25:03] now?
[00:25:07] Russia thinks they have fifth-generation aircraft, and
[00:25:10] they express themselves from the point of view of technical characteristics, as if they have
[00:25:14] fifth-generation aircraft, if we are talking about the Su-57, but at the same time
[00:25:18] it must be said that this aircraft does not meet the technical
[00:25:21] characteristics of a fifth-generation aircraft, there are a lot of questions,
[00:25:25] at least, let's start with the fact that 77 planes use
[00:25:29] aircraft engines, and the FL-41 is
[00:25:32] an upgrade of the old FL-31 engine,
[00:25:34] meaning we're talking about these engines that were used
[00:25:38] earlier on the Su-27,
[00:25:42] that is, on older, more outdated planes. Moreover, even the mounts for these
[00:25:45] engines are not the same, they speak of a conditional
[00:25:49] possibility. Modularity, meaning you can put an old engine in a new plane, but
[00:25:53] at the same time, we need to talk about the fact that
[00:25:55] there are serious problems with the enemy's jets, and
[00:25:59] at the same time, we need to say that there is a serious problem with the electronics. which
[00:26:03] they put in their planes, because let's remember, the
[00:26:07] growth of Russian aviation occurred against the background of gaining the ability to install
[00:26:10] French avionics, American chips in their planes, then
[00:26:14] the technological growth of these planes began. After 2014, they
[00:26:18] had serious problems with the ability to purchase these
[00:26:21] components, so we need to say that currently
[00:26:24] they use either what
[00:26:27] they import through a pricing scheme, or, for example, what Belarus produces,
[00:26:31] which at one time... was also able to establish the production of some
[00:26:34] components.
[00:26:37] Okay, let's move from the sky to the ground. Let's return to
[00:26:41] the exhibition in Kielce. Please tell us how well
[00:26:44] Ukraine was represented there, that is, which stands
[00:26:47] perhaps interested the most, how it
[00:26:50] looked against the background of other participants, your personal
[00:26:53] impressions.
[00:26:56] Well, let's start with the fact that at least two
[00:26:59] stands of Ukrainian associations from... arms manufacturers
[00:27:03] and Naudi stood side by side. This is already close to
[00:27:06] the goal I constantly talk about, that at such international
[00:27:10] exhibitions Ukraine should present itself with a general
[00:27:13] unified stand, Ukraine, where it will be
[00:27:16] possible to demonstrate all the
[00:27:20] technologies that we use,
[00:27:22] to maximally immerse society in
[00:27:26] the war, to use 3D
[00:27:29] visualization, to show what happened after.
[00:27:32] Bucha, what happened in other directions, how the Russian
[00:27:36] Federation is fighting, to visually show that we need to show it so that
[00:27:40] Europeans who come to these defense exhibitions
[00:27:43] understand that what
[00:27:46] they are currently presenting to them as models of a large number
[00:27:49] of weapons, it is not a fact that it can protect them from the invasion that
[00:27:53] comes from Russia. Therefore, it is definitely
[00:27:56] necessary to say that Ukraine presented a large number of interesting
[00:27:59] solutions. Firepoint. Firepoint. for
[00:28:02] the umpteenth time showed its ballistic and cruise missiles, and accordingly
[00:28:06] attack drones. Therefore, in principle, we looked
[00:28:09] decent, but at the same time, we need to say that we see Poland,
[00:28:13] which is actively cooperating in increasing
[00:28:17] its defense budget. Let's remember that Poland has the largest defense budget in
[00:28:20] Europe, they have the opportunity to cooperate
[00:28:23] with, uh, South Korea, which we
[00:28:27] do not have the opportunity to. South Korea produces a lot of interesting
[00:28:31] solutions and analogues of American weapons under
[00:28:33] American license, produces a lot of interesting weapons that Poland
[00:28:37] supplies. Probably because of this, we
[00:28:41] do not have direct government contracts with Poland, which would allow us
[00:28:44] to interact between defense companies. By the way, so here we need to
[00:28:48] say that Poland most likely
[00:28:51] continues to try to get funding for its
[00:28:54] defense contracts, and accordingly the opportunity to work with those
[00:28:58] countries, such as Israel or South
[00:29:02] K or, for example, the same Japan, where cooperation with
[00:29:05] countries in which war is happening
[00:29:08] is not foreseen by the state's doctrine. Models, models, models. In our
[00:29:12] social networks, when the exhibition in Kielce was taking place,
[00:29:15] a certain wave of devaluation, a wave, rolled
[00:29:19] through about how they are showing models again, and when will we see real
[00:29:22] products? What can you
[00:29:24] say about this?
[00:29:27] Well, a real product recently took out an entire chemical production
[00:29:31] facility. on the territory of the Russian Federation,
[00:29:34] and there are also a number of indicators
[00:29:37] of weapon use. Moreover, we need to say that
[00:29:41] samples were presented that have already proven their effectiveness
[00:29:44] on the contact line, protecting
[00:29:48] military personnel, helping detect enemy threats,
[00:29:51] but at the same time, accordingly, we need to say that
[00:29:55] let's ask, or ask Ukrainian manufacturers,
[00:29:58] how many products Poland does not allow through to be brought
[00:30:02] to any other European exhibition? Therefore, there
[00:30:05] is also a certain problem with transportation, and the fact that models
[00:30:09] are presented, it is much easier to export a model than a weapon
[00:30:12] sample, because there are also certain
[00:30:15] restrictions, but at the same time, we need to say
[00:30:19] that there is a key request. Recently, Valeriy
[00:30:22] Zaluzhny appealed for the need to unite
[00:30:26] efforts to create quality solutions, and here
[00:30:29] I support him, because in turn... we
[00:30:32] saw at the exhibition in MSPO, and again I
[00:30:36] saw at the exhibition in
[00:30:38] Denmark, Dallo Day, Industrial Day,
[00:30:42] I saw the fragmentation of the European defense industry market. Most manufacturers
[00:30:46] seek to gain expertise from
[00:30:48] Ukraine, to affix the "Battle-proven in
[00:30:52] Ukraine" sticker, but at the same time to work
[00:30:55] exclusively on monetizing their
[00:30:57] capabilities. Let's.