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[00:00:00] it seems, it's right, as a transitional [00:00:03] moment until the bill is [00:00:06] passed, and everything is already [00:00:09] in the legal framework, because we understand that [00:00:13] passing a bill, well, it's quite [00:00:16] interesting, quite ambiguous, [00:00:19] it takes a certain amount of time, and it [00:00:23] won't all be passed next week, I remind you, the Verkhovna Rada will meet [00:00:27] in general in three weeks, [00:00:31] that is, until the end of October, at least we will have [00:00:34] an acting prosecutor general, and it seems that during this [00:00:38] time an informal competition [00:00:40] could have been held, and this is such a good, by the way, [00:00:44] initiative and a good intermediate [00:00:47] option until the bill [00:00:50] is passed and enters into force, but [00:00:53] the fact that there is no prosecutor general probably should [00:00:57] please the people's deputies of Ukraine. Because it is the Prosecutor [00:01:01] General of Ukraine who addresses the Verkhovna Rada if [00:01:04] it is necessary to deprive a deputy [00:01:08] of powers of one or another deputy who is suspected [00:01:11] of committing criminal offenses. [00:01:14] Well, with this, you know, the acting prosecutor general [00:01:17] can address it, but, in fact, he has all the [00:01:21] same duties as the prosecutor general, [00:01:25] but we understand that, probably, [00:01:28] the people's deputies are more... in trouble, well, not all of them, [00:01:32] but we know that there are currently more than 50 acting [00:01:35] MPs who have suspicions from anti-corruption [00:01:38] bodies, so, in fact, they would probably be more pleased if, [00:01:42] for example, anti-corruption bodies were disbanded, or [00:01:46] if, the model of the mechanism [00:01:49] of July last year, when, in fact, [00:01:52] anti-corruption bodies were supposed to be transferred [00:01:56] to the prosecutor general, under the influence of the prosecutor general's office, they were supposed to come out more. [00:02:00] We remember this scandalous bill on restrictions on [00:02:03] powers, [00:02:06] in fact, it seems that this pleased some [00:02:09] people's deputies more than the absence, the temporary absence of the prosecutor [00:02:13] general. Iryna, if you talk [00:02:16] about responsibility and consequences, that is, [00:02:19] what should be such a stimulus for a person [00:02:23] in the position of prosecutor general, or there [00:02:26] deputies, in general prosecutors, so that, well, [00:02:29] there are no violations of the law, bribes, so that a person works honestly, [00:02:33] eventually, does not flee the [00:02:36] country, what kind of stimulus can this be? Uh, well, in fact, [00:02:39] the biggest, it seems to me, stimulus is conscience, but unfortunately, [00:02:43] rarely does anyone use it, they use [00:02:46] more of the stimulus that is prescribed in criminal [00:02:50] legislation, criminal procedural legislation, and [00:02:53] that's why we know that for bribery, for [00:02:56] some illegal actions during the stay [00:03:00] in a state position, rather strict [00:03:04] sanctions are provided, and at the same time, this does not quite [00:03:07] deter some officials, [00:03:11] we remember, we recently observed [00:03:15] the NABU-SAP special operation, Carthage, [00:03:18] and, well, in fact, I don't know [00:03:21] what other stimuli there should be, besides [00:03:24] the fact that you need to do your work conscientiously [00:03:27] and bear responsibility for your actions, [00:03:31] especially when you are in such a high state [00:03:34] position. The confrontation between the Office of the Prosecutor [00:03:37] General and anti-corruption bodies, is this [00:03:41] an institutional crisis that exists or is developing in [00:03:44] Ukraine, or should [00:03:46] the current conflict and what is unfolding before [00:03:50] our eyes be perceived as [00:03:53] a personal rejection of one leader [00:03:56] of two anti-corruption bodies? [00:04:00] If it is an institutional crisis, [00:04:04] how should it be resolved? [00:04:07] Well, in fact, I wouldn't call it, directly, [00:04:09] an institutional crisis, because from time to time we see [00:04:13] that state bodies, law enforcement agencies in Ukraine, [00:04:16] they somehow oppose each [00:04:19] other, and probably some personal motives are superimposed here, [00:04:22] because we don't know for sure what exactly [00:04:25] caused Mr. former Prosecutor [00:04:29] General... Ruslan Kravchenko, in fact, [00:04:32] to accuse Semen Kryvonos, who is [00:04:35] the head of NABU, I remind you, so [00:04:38] here, in fact, it's probably something in the middle, somewhere, you know, [00:04:41] some institutional shortcomings, [00:04:43] plus some possible [00:04:46] personal, I don't want to call it [00:04:49] conflicts, but at least some [00:04:52] animosity was definitely there, because, well, [00:04:56] it's quite difficult to comment on something here [00:05:00] and say, because we already see only the consequences, and the reasons [00:05:04] that led to this can actually be very, very different and [00:05:07] even such that we don't even suspect, if [00:05:11] we talk about... finding that conscience, which [00:05:14] you said, yes, which should have been, it seemed, [00:05:17] a stimulus, but after all, [00:05:20] how to find it, where to find it, and whether it can be found [00:05:24] in fear of responsibility, that is, [00:05:27] these people who headed the prosecutor's office, [00:05:31] the Prosecutor General's Office, and who fled [00:05:34] abroad, should justice [00:05:36] catch up with them, should punishment [00:05:39] catch up with them, so that it is exemplary. [00:05:42] A lesson for future leaders [00:05:45] of the Prosecutor General's Office, that is, the same Kravchenko, well, what, [00:05:49] he successfully planned his [00:05:53] escape, and that's it, or should Ukraine [00:05:56] persecute him, [00:06:00] return him, but on the one hand, we don't see any suspicion against him either, right, [00:06:03] that is, is there anything to punish [00:06:06] him for then? Well, certainly, without suspicion, we [00:06:09] cannot initiate his return in any way. Uh, until [00:06:13] there is a corresponding, again, excuse me, I will repeat, tautology [00:06:17] of suspicion from investigative bodies, from law enforcement [00:06:21] bodies, this will already be a reason [00:06:24] to demand his return [00:06:27] from abroad, so, in fact, [00:06:31] it is unclear, we know, we listened, [00:06:35] of course, to what is currently available in the [00:06:38] information space from these NABU tapes, the Carthage case. [00:06:42] We heard some mysterious chief, uh, I remind you [00:06:46] that some characters have their own, well, as if [00:06:50] other names, uh, and, [00:06:53] but it is not known for sure whether this chief is actually [00:06:57] the prosecutor general himself, or perhaps someone else, we can only [00:07:00] guess, and that, in fact, is interesting, we will, of course, [00:07:04] observe whether Ruslan Kravchenko [00:07:07] receives a suspicion, and what kind of suspicion it will be if he [00:07:11] receives it, or maybe... he will receive it, that is, [00:07:14] here, you know, such a rather [00:07:18] ambiguous story [00:07:20] unfolds, because will this all [00:07:23] be dismissed, and well, while they are currently [00:07:27] voting for his dismissal, there was some [00:07:31] information noise, will this information noise not [00:07:34] come to naught and we will simply hear somewhere sometime [00:07:38] that Ruslan Kravchenko was appointed [00:07:41] ambassador to... some European, or let it be [00:07:44] Asian, African state, because we understand that in our [00:07:48] country, unfortunately, such appointments are quite [00:07:51] frequent, well, with prosecutor generals for sure, two [00:07:54] former prosecutor generals of Zelensky are already working [00:07:57] as ambassadors, one just lives abroad, and this is already the fourth [00:08:01] prosecutor general who has left the borders of the Ukrainian state, [00:08:05] everyone has different motives, but the fact itself, at the same time we [00:08:08] see how Ruslan Kravchenko torpedoed the director... [00:08:12] Semen Kryvonos released a series [00:08:15] of videos and there are audio recordings there and [00:08:19] video recordings, whether these cases [00:08:23] regarding Semen Kryvonos can unfold in [00:08:26] Ukraine, well, that is, so that [00:08:29] clearly about the activities [00:08:32] of Semen Kryvonos and regarding these accusations, after all, [00:08:36] someone competent answered, because Ruslan [00:08:39] Kravchenko published these... [00:08:42] videos while still being in the status of prosecutor general and [00:08:45] he issued a suspicion to him while still being the prosecutor [00:08:48] general, well, here the investigation must put all the [00:08:51] dots on the i's, because [00:08:55] we must understand whether there is sufficient evidence in this situation, [00:08:59] or whether there is actually a subject about which one can talk [00:09:02] at the level of some criminal [00:09:05] suspicion, therefore, [00:09:09] in fact, it is quite interesting why... [00:09:12] Kravchenko only almost in the last days, in [00:09:16] the last hours of his, let's say, [00:09:19] prosecutor general's activity, decided [00:09:22] to torpedo this [00:09:25] case, this, you know, already somehow raises [00:09:29] many questions, but still all [00:09:31] answers must be given by the relevant law enforcement [00:09:35] agencies, if the case goes further, then [00:09:38] judicial agencies, and we can only somehow [00:09:42] at some... level guess, at some [00:09:44] level understand what it is, what it is and [00:09:48] how, but again, the final decision is made [00:09:51] only by those bodies that have the functional [00:09:55] powers to do so. Iryna, thank you, thank you for joining [00:09:59] the Espreso broadcast today, Iryna Korzhenkova, analyst [00:10:02] of the Chesno movement was our guest, we talked about what is in [00:10:06] the country, an institutional crisis, how to call it and how [00:10:09] to actually be, so that in the future. [00:10:13] the state there would reinsure itself, so as not to [00:10:15] allow similar or even [00:10:18] worse stories with people who hold such [00:10:22] positions in law enforcement agencies, then. do not bear [00:10:25] responsibility for their actions and [00:10:28] words. Next on our line is Taras Borovsky, lawyer, [00:10:32] former advisor to the deputy Minister of Defense. Mr. Taras, [00:10:35] we welcome you, thank you for being with us today. Good [00:10:38] day. Good day. So, we [00:10:42] will talk about the situation in the Ukrainian army, here in [00:10:46] the Army. Plus app, the status on leave will start [00:10:49] to be displayed without the need for a visit [00:10:52] to the TCC TSP. Uh, [00:10:55] what has changed in this regime for granting leave [00:10:59] to military personnel, is it easier now for military personnel to get their legal [00:11:02] leave, or let's say, [00:11:05] a reduction, is there such a reduction in bureaucracy, [00:11:08] due to the fact that more documents can now be kept [00:11:11] in the application? [00:11:15] Undoubtedly, the Army Plus application [00:11:18] greatly simplifies the life of servicemen, [00:11:22] for now, let's say... [00:11:26] few functions in it work and help properly, [00:11:29] but still, even such a function, as getting leave status, [00:11:33] this is already great, [00:11:37] and looking ahead, let's say, at [00:11:40] the expansion of its work and functionality, it can be said [00:11:43] that the [00:11:47] Army Plus application should make, [00:11:50] let's say, service in the army less [00:11:53] bureaucratized, while maintaining all those [00:11:57] standards of accounting for the status [00:12:00] of citizens who serve in the armed [00:12:03] forces. Servicemen of the armed forces [00:12:06] of Ukraine used to complain that quite often, when they wanted [00:12:10] to take leave, they were told that [00:12:13] there was no one to replace them, [00:12:17] whether it is clear now in the current situation, if [00:12:21] the structure of obtaining leave changes [00:12:25] at all, how and in what [00:12:27] way [00:12:29] to conduct full rotations so that people who went on leave are [00:12:33] replaced by someone, and whether this [00:12:36] issue will be resolved by the current mobilization, how much these [00:12:39] processes are interconnected, and [00:12:43] the issue of rest for active military personnel is, of course, [00:12:47] very important both for unit commanders and [00:12:51] for Ukrainian society as a whole. [00:12:54] Comrades, it is worth not confusing the concepts of rotation, [00:12:58] leave, rest, and so on. If the [00:13:02] law today provides [00:13:05] a norm that stipulates that [00:13:08] simultaneously on leave, no more [00:13:11] than 70% of the personnel of the relevant [00:13:14] unit can be, and therefore the commander's [00:13:18] decision [00:13:21] entails, let's say, responsibility for him not having [00:13:25] more than 30% of the personnel on leave at the same [00:13:28] time, so that his unit can perform certain [00:13:32] tasks, by no means all military personnel, [00:13:35] to put it mildly, are at the front, by no means all military personnel [00:13:39] are fighting with weapons [00:13:43] in their hands, so of course, the norm [00:13:46] applies and the norm of leaves probably applies and [00:13:50] is discussed more, regarding those who are currently, let's say, [00:13:53] on rotation, on rest, on [00:13:55] recovery, and so on, well, if [00:13:59] a serviceman has already been involved in performing combat [00:14:02] tasks, it is quite difficult to go [00:14:06] on leave from there, I think it is [00:14:09] worth waiting for this rotation and [00:14:13] replacement, regarding your question [00:14:16] about who to replace, it remains relevant, [00:14:19] Ukraine is waging war against a huge enemy, [00:14:23] quantitatively and in terms of forces [00:14:25] and means greater than us, [00:14:29] accordingly, we must [00:14:32] somehow get new people and [00:14:34] uh, somehow find them, [00:14:38] thank you, somehow find new people, [00:14:41] accordingly, mobilization work continues, [00:14:45] which uh, is constantly [00:14:49] discussed and criticized, however, without [00:14:52] mobilization, rotation, leave, and dismissals, [00:14:55] demobilization, we probably won't see it, [00:14:59] if we talk about such cases, I know about such [00:15:02] cases, you know, when, literally [00:15:06] for years, not just for a year, even for two years, [00:15:09] a serviceman cannot take leave, that is, [00:15:13] they don't give it, are there any levers of influence, [00:15:17] or how can this application help, [00:15:21] these changes, can they help to ensure that this leave is granted, [00:15:25] or if there is no decision [00:15:28] from the commander, and this desire from the [00:15:31] commander, then servicemen [00:15:35] will not get their legal leave. In each [00:15:39] specific case, we need to investigate and check the reasons [00:15:42] that prevent a particular [00:15:45] serviceman from getting their legally guaranteed [00:15:49] leave. Today, each serviceman is legally [00:15:53] guaranteed a thirty-day annual [00:15:56] leave, and 10 days of leave can be taken [00:16:00] for family circumstances at the discretion [00:16:02] of the commander, regarding [00:16:05] that, and that... you can [00:16:08] break up 30 days and take leave in smaller parts, [00:16:12] but the main part should not be less [00:16:16] than 15 days, accordingly, if [00:16:19] the commander has arranged the work and [00:16:22] service in the unit in such a way that you have not seen [00:16:25] leave for several years and do not go there, this is probably [00:16:29] because the commander is not coping with his [00:16:32] duties, you can complain about him to [00:16:36] the Main Directorate for the Protection of the Rights of Servicemen of the Ministry [00:16:39] of Defense of Ukraine, if you serve in the structure of the Ministry of Defense [00:16:42] of Ukraine, or to the relevant higher authorities [00:16:46] of the National Guard or the Security Service, [00:16:49] or depending on where you serve, or in [00:16:52] the Main Directorate of Intelligence or [00:16:55] in the State Special Transport Service, we have [00:16:58] servicemen in different structures today, [00:17:01] accordingly, the commander, I think, will pay [00:17:05] attention after the complaint and... will grant you [00:17:08] leave, the only thing, of course, you don't need to quarrel [00:17:11] with the commander destructively, you should always, [00:17:15] I think, be in contact with him and in conversation, and then such situations will not [00:17:19] arise, well, but as far as I [00:17:22] understand, that a report can be submitted in [00:17:25] electronic form, now through Reserve+ app, [00:17:29] through the Army Plus system, [00:17:31] and how does this help [00:17:34] to overcome the commander's ignoring [00:17:38] the request for leave, that is, how clearly [00:17:42] this system makes it clear [00:17:46] that this report is recorded, [00:17:48] that this report must be [00:17:52] executed, well, at least by the commander, or at least the commander must pay [00:17:56] attention to it, and not ignore it, [00:17:59] you are looking straight at the root of the problem, first of all, [00:18:02] what happens to reports, they are not [00:18:05] registered, often they are not registered, [00:18:09] and a serviceman submits a report, it can theoretically be [00:18:13] lost, and they can say that he did not [00:18:16] submit this report, accordingly, and if he [00:18:19] did not submit it, then the commander does not have an obligation to react to [00:18:23] it in any way, satisfy it or deny [00:18:26] its satisfaction, accordingly, the [00:18:29] Army Plus application allows [00:18:32] to record the submission of this report in digital [00:18:35] form and create... [00:18:38] an obligation within a certain period [00:18:41] for the commander to react and consider this report, [00:18:44] accordingly, the application helps [00:18:47] with this, at the same time, due to the fact [00:18:51] that there is a shortage of people in general, [00:18:54] and in units, there is a certain shortage [00:18:58] of people in specific ones, then [00:19:01] in principle, commanders find legal, among [00:19:04] other things, grounds to somehow possibly drag [00:19:08] out the resolution of the leave issue, at the same time, I will [00:19:12] say again, our Ukrainian army is [00:19:14] the army of a free state, we have excellent commanders, you need to [00:19:18] approach them and speak out loud about your [00:19:22] problems, I think they will hear you. And what [00:19:25] happens to these unused days [00:19:28] of leave during martial law for [00:19:31] servicemen of the armed forces, do they expire, or are they then subject to [00:19:35] some material compensation for the fact that people did not take [00:19:38] leave, as with ordinary [00:19:42] employees, according to the Labor Code, [00:19:45] leave is either used in the form of [00:19:48] paid days off, and [00:19:51] paid as if you are working, yes, or [00:19:55] compensation for unused leave after [00:19:58] dismissal, if we talk about Taras, [00:20:01] the number of appeals to you on this matter, and on the matter [00:20:05] of leaves, which can be, I [00:20:09] deal with criminal proceedings in [00:20:12] the field of defense, only journalists turn to me [00:20:15] about leaves, ah, that's how it is, please tell [00:20:19] us then from the appeals you [00:20:22] deal with, what is the percentage [00:20:25] of which problems are the most common? [00:20:29] 99% [00:20:32] criminal cases, [00:20:34] still criminal offenses, what [00:20:38] kind of nature, please specify, this is also interesting, [00:20:42] robbery, rape, [00:20:46] desertion, kidnapping of people. This is what I [00:20:49] deal with, not leaves, is it all [00:20:51] directly related to the military or not, or not [00:20:55] only to the military, related to servicemen, related to [00:20:58] servicemen, so what is the scale of these crimes according to your [00:21:02] observations during martial law, if it can be discussed [00:21:06] publicly, of course, [00:21:08] uh, it can be discussed [00:21:11] publicly in general terms, [00:21:15] because I am somewhat limited by attorney-client [00:21:18] privilege... attorney-client [00:21:21] privilege, uh, just like [00:21:24] everywhere, [00:21:26] in the army there are different people, different situations happen [00:21:30] to them, sometimes they are related to [00:21:33] the performance [00:21:35] of military duties, sometimes they are not related to [00:21:39] this, however, military lawyer, you called me [00:21:43] at the beginning, it seems, well, I am a military lawyer precisely in criminal [00:21:47] proceedings that concern servicemen. [00:21:51] and regarding events that happen to them, as [00:21:54] victims, or as defendants in certain [00:21:57] offenses, stipulated by the criminal code, mostly [00:22:00] so. Thank you, Taras, for joining us, we see that they are already [00:22:04] waiting for you, we need to let you go for a certain time. Thank you for your [00:22:07] expertise, Taras Borovsky, lawyer, military lawyer, former [00:22:11] advisor to the deputy Minister of Defense in [00:22:14] 2024-25 years, we talked about leave [00:22:18] for military personnel. Next, a few important news items, [00:22:22] well, first, our neighbors in Poland are planning [00:22:25] to install over 100 sirens near the border with [00:22:28] Ukraine, Polish Interior Minister [00:22:31] Marcin Kierwinski announced the strengthening [00:22:35] of civil defense along the eastern border, [00:22:39] there they will install these thousand [00:22:41] automated sirens, he announced this at a briefing, as [00:22:45] reported by Polish radio, and the minister stated that Russia [00:22:49] has changed its... tactics and border crossings and other [00:22:52] infrastructure near the border are increasingly [00:22:56] subjected to attacks by jet [00:22:58] drones and missiles. Next, I quote: we are increasingly [00:23:02] turning to means designed to counter [00:23:06] these threats. This is how he said that at the beginning [00:23:09] of 2024, there were only 30 working [00:23:13] sirens in the region that could be activated remotely. Today, [00:23:17] their number has increased, there are 350 of them. Well, [00:23:20] and the expansion will help to achieve [00:23:24] another indicator, namely a thousand sirens. Well, and France [00:23:27] is preparing for hybrid attacks by Russia, French [00:23:31] media report this, Emmanuel [00:23:34] Macron on Friday, September 18, held [00:23:37] a meeting with the leaders of all political parties, including [00:23:40] candidates in the 2027 presidential elections, [00:23:44] they talked about threats from the Russian Federation, we see [00:23:47] how Europe is preparing [00:23:51] for possible serious possible provocations [00:23:54] from the Russian Federation, and Poland, and France, and [00:23:57] Germany, openly say that [00:24:00] attacks, hybrid attacks, attacks [00:24:04] by Russians on their territory are [00:24:07] quite probable over the next [00:24:11] few years, Poland is much more seriously preparing [00:24:14] for this, but we know that in Europe they are preparing [00:24:17] to create a security council [00:24:20] with the participation of Ukraine, we will talk about this in [00:24:23] our next studios, we will also talk about the [00:24:26] budget, an important topic, we will analyze what [00:24:30] risks exist already this year, and next [00:24:33] year, so stay tuned to Espreso, next you will find [00:24:37] important news from Oksana Vysochanska, and then we with [00:24:40] Serhii will return to this [00:24:41] studio. 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