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[00:00:00] Kratal, Kratal - natural power
[00:00:03] for your heart.
[00:00:21] Welcome to Espresso, news is on air, in the studio Oksana Vysochynska. And we begin
[00:00:25] with the latest information. Russia
[00:00:27] has reportedly struck Eco-Market warehouses near Kyiv, there is a large-scale fire
[00:00:31] at the scene, we are awaiting details from officials.
[00:00:34] Meanwhile, in the Sviatoshynskyi district of the capital, a civilian woman
[00:00:37] was injured as a result of the Russian Federation's attack.
[00:00:40] Paramedics are providing assistance to the injured, said Mayor Vitaliy
[00:00:43] Klychko.
[00:00:45] Meanwhile,
[00:00:48] at Moscow airports, due to a massive drone attack,
[00:00:51] more than 400 flights were delayed and canceled.
[00:00:55] The most restrictions were at Sheremetyevo, where more than 30 aircraft
[00:00:59] were delayed until noon. Another
[00:01:02] 240 were delayed for arrival and departure, some aircraft
[00:01:06] were redirected to Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, Cheboksary, and
[00:01:09] St. Petersburg. At Vnukovo, 11 flights
[00:01:12] were canceled, and 129 were delayed. At
[00:01:15] Domodedovo, one flight was canceled and 27
[00:01:18] were delayed. At Zhukovsky airport, two flights were canceled and
[00:01:22] seven were delayed. The press services of Russian airports
[00:01:25] stated that flights are operating according to an adjusted
[00:01:29] schedule, and Vnukovo announced a gradual
[00:01:32] return to normal operations.
[00:01:35] Russian troops launched an airstrike on an evacuation point in
[00:01:38] Kramatorsk, Donetsk region, reported Yevhen Kaplin, head of the Proliska humanitarian mission.
[00:01:42] According to him, it was a direct
[00:01:46] hit. At the time of the attack, evacuated people
[00:01:49] and workers who were assisting with the evacuation were at the location.
[00:01:53] Information about possible deaths and injuries is still being
[00:01:57] clarified.
[00:02:00] The Third Army Corps liberated Shandroholove
[00:02:03] and Dyvrybolove and established full control over
[00:02:07] Drobysheve in Donetsk region, reported corps commander Andriy
[00:02:10] Biletsky, noting that Operation Vivaldi continues
[00:02:14] and is gaining momentum. According to him, during the first and second
[00:02:18] stages of the offensive, Ukrainian units regained
[00:02:21] control of 125 square kilometers of territory, of
[00:02:25] which 50 square kilometers were de-occupied.
[00:02:28] Biletsky also stated that during this period, the Russian army's losses
[00:02:32] amounted to about 3,000
[00:02:34] servicemen.
[00:02:38] Soldiers of the 100th Separate Mechanized Brigade have approached us for
[00:02:42] help. They need transport, equipment and machinery, without which it is difficult
[00:02:46] to perform combat missions. Our goal is ambitious - 3.5
[00:02:50] million UAH. This amount is large, but the needs at the front
[00:02:53] are not getting smaller. So, if you have such an opportunity, please
[00:02:57] contribute with hryvnia. Everything that can be purchased
[00:03:00] thanks to this collection will work for
[00:03:03] our victory.
[00:03:07] NATO is ready to respond to possible escalation and
[00:03:11] provocations by Russia on Europe's eastern flank, said
[00:03:14] Admiral Giuseppe Cavo Dragone, Chairman of the NATO Military Committee. According to him,
[00:03:18] NATO troops, armaments, and
[00:03:22] military structure are in a state of readiness, and the alliance continues to build up its
[00:03:26] capabilities. Dragone emphasized
[00:03:29] that NATO has developed defensive plans for
[00:03:33] various scenarios, from a local crisis to
[00:03:36] a large-scale armed conflict. He stressed that
[00:03:39] in the event of an attack, allies know the course of action to protect
[00:03:42] the alliance's territory. This statement came amid
[00:03:46] warnings from European countries about possible Russian provocations
[00:03:50] and hybrid
[00:03:50] attacks.
[00:03:54] Meanwhile, Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico stated
[00:03:57] that some Western politicians allegedly seek to provoke
[00:04:01] a direct conflict between NATO and Russia. According to him,
[00:04:05] Europe has come closer to a large-scale war than ever
[00:04:08] before. Fico claims that this situation arose after
[00:04:11] the failure of the West's strategy aimed at defeating Russia
[00:04:15] in the war against Ukraine. He called this a mortal
[00:04:19] danger and stated that some politicians in the alliance are trying
[00:04:22] to turn the war in Ukraine into a direct confrontation between NATO and
[00:04:26] Russia. The Slovak prime minister also once again emphasized
[00:04:30] that the conflict is not a war of Slovakia or NATO,
[00:04:33] while his statement came amid warnings from European
[00:04:37] leaders about the intensification of Russian hybrid
[00:04:39] attacks.
[00:04:44] The failure of the strategy to destroy Russia through the war in
[00:04:47] Ukraine forces many Western politicians to conclude
[00:04:51] that if this cannot be achieved with the help
[00:04:54] of the Ukrainian army and its full support, then everything must
[00:04:58] be done to...
[00:05:12] Iran presented the US with three conditions for resuming negotiations and ending
[00:05:16] the war in the Middle East. Tehran handed
[00:05:19] its proposals to Donald Trump through Qatari mediation. Among
[00:05:23] the demands are a ceasefire on all fronts, the unfreezing of Iranian
[00:05:27] assets, and the lifting of the naval blockade. According to the Secretary
[00:05:30] of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, Mohsen
[00:05:33] Rezaei, Qatar has already fulfilled its mediation
[00:05:36] mission. Now Tehran is awaiting an official response
[00:05:40] from the American president. Rezaei also noted that Iran
[00:05:43] is interested in ending the conflict between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis in
[00:05:47] Yemen.
[00:05:53] US President Donald Trump announced the creation of artificial intelligence
[00:05:57] forces and promised to announce their leader
[00:06:00] in the near future. According to him, the new structure will be formed on the model
[00:06:04] of the United States Space Force created in 2019.
[00:06:08] Trump stated that he will soon announce - quote:
[00:06:11] "The future" head of the AI Tsar
[00:06:15] and said that people with a high IQ can apply for the
[00:06:19] position. The American president called AI a new
[00:06:22] industrial revolution, comparing its significance to
[00:06:26] the advent of the internet. Trump also stated that in the future
[00:06:30] this industry could account for up to 25% of the US
[00:06:34] GDP. According to the US president,
[00:06:36] they are ahead of China in AI development and he
[00:06:40] intends to maintain this advantage.
[00:06:45] In Hungary, an unknown man poured wine on Prime Minister Péter
[00:06:49] Magyar during the grape harvest festival in the city of
[00:06:52] Szekszárd. The incident occurred on the evening of September 19, when
[00:06:56] the politician, on his way to Budapest, decided to visit a local fair.
[00:06:59] Magyar was talking to people near one of the buffets when a man
[00:07:03] approached him, took a sip from a glass, and poured the remaining
[00:07:06] drink towards the prime minister. The politician did not lose his composure and
[00:07:10] turned the situation into a joke. Magyar published a video of the incident
[00:07:14] on his social networks. According to Hungarian journalists, the attacker's glass
[00:07:17] could have contained ordinary wine or fröccs, which is
[00:07:21] a popular drink in Hungary made from wine and sparkling
[00:07:24] water.
[00:07:27] In the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, information about
[00:07:31] 26-day vacations for deputies was denied. Despite the break in
[00:07:34] plenary sessions from September 17 to October 13,
[00:07:38] Parliament continues to work. People's deputies meet in
[00:07:41] committees, work in working groups and special commissions, and also process
[00:07:45] draft laws and amendments. The Parliament
[00:07:48] emphasizes that the work of committees, subcommittees, factions, and
[00:07:51] deputy groups does not
[00:07:54] stated that deputies are preparing for further consideration of legislative
[00:07:58] issues after the resumption of plenary
[00:08:00] sessions. The Prosecutor General's Office and
[00:08:04] the Bureau of Economic Security exposed a criminal organization
[00:08:07] that laundered funds through cryptocurrency. According to
[00:08:11] the investigation, about 500 million
[00:08:14] UAH passed through the conversion center every month. The total volume
[00:08:18] of financial transactions amounted to 23.5 billion
[00:08:21] UAH, and the preliminary estimated amount of tax evasion was about
[00:08:24] 3 billion. During 50 searches,
[00:08:28] law enforcement officers seized millions in cash.
[00:08:31] The participants of the scheme have already been
[00:08:34] notified of suspicion, and the Prosecutor General's Office stated
[00:08:38] that the details of the operation will be released
[00:08:40] tomorrow.
[00:08:50] Kharkiv publishing house Ranok is reprinting at its own expense
[00:08:54] 250,000 textbooks destroyed by a Russian strike on a warehouse
[00:08:57] on August 1st. These are books for students of the fourth and
[00:09:01] ninth grades. In total, due to the strike, the publishing house lost
[00:09:05] about 8 million books, among which more than 600,000
[00:09:08] textbooks. Due to significant financial losses, Ranok
[00:09:12] temporarily suspends the printing of experimental and debut
[00:09:15] projects and focuses on bestsellers that sell
[00:09:19] quickly. At the same time, Bohdan Chief, who also lost hundreds
[00:09:22] of thousands of books due to Russian shelling, is reprinting
[00:09:25] top editions, and planned
[00:09:28] new releases will be published according to
[00:09:32] the previous plan.
[00:09:38] In Lviv, the first stage of the Lesya Ukrainka Theater's "Dimension of Theater" showcase is underway.
[00:09:42] Over four days, plays that the theater
[00:09:46] has created over many years are being shown. One of them is "Birds,"
[00:09:49] by director Dmytro Zakhozhenko. This ancient
[00:09:52] story about an extraordinary city received a new
[00:09:55] perspective through the eyes of society within the framework of modern realities.
[00:09:59] Our correspondent Yevheniya Tur found out how the play literally breaks
[00:10:03] the invisible curtain between actors and audience and involves
[00:10:06] viewers in the course of events. On stage,
[00:10:09] there are birds who decide
[00:10:12] to leave the human world and build their own
[00:10:15] city, but along with its inhabitants, old
[00:10:19] rules, habits, and contradictions return. Through this
[00:10:22] ancient story, based on Aristophanes,
[00:10:26] the director talks to the audience about modern
[00:10:29] problems, in particular raising the issue of
[00:10:31] ecology. One of the main such mainstream
[00:10:35] topics, at least two years ago,
[00:10:38] was ecology. And I thought, damn, why don't we
[00:10:41] look at ecology through the prism
[00:10:44] of war, or at war through the prism of ecology, what is
[00:10:47] changing, and a lot
[00:10:50] is changing. The play combines a fairytale story about
[00:10:54] birds story of a woman who
[00:10:57] lives in the occupied territory, her
[00:11:00] story is connected with the tragedy of the Kakhovka
[00:11:03] HPP. For actress Natalia Mazur, theater is
[00:11:07] an opportunity not only to perform on stage, but also to talk about
[00:11:10] what is happening with Ukrainians right
[00:11:13] now. It's the opposite, it's hard to play plays that don't
[00:11:16] raise issues that are relevant, I kind of understand
[00:11:19] that on the one hand we all talk about some kind of fatigue and
[00:11:23] exhaustion, but on the other hand... this is also our
[00:11:26] inadequate, but reality,
[00:11:29] which I don't know how we should correctly evaluate
[00:11:32] while being in it, but rather witness and share
[00:11:35] it. In four days, the audience will be presented with
[00:11:39] eight plays created over the last six
[00:11:42] years. The theater director noted that after
[00:11:46] the full-scale invasion, it was difficult to return to
[00:11:49] work, however, the team realized that society
[00:11:53] needs plays that can be applied to modern
[00:11:56] realities, in particular about the difficult ecological
[00:11:59] situation that developed in Ukraine against the backdrop of the war.
[00:12:03] But when we first opened the doors again to the audience and realized
[00:12:06] that this co-existence in one space, experiencing
[00:12:10] shared emotions, feeling each other's elbow. Another element
[00:12:13] of this play and globally of our current reality
[00:12:17] is the issue of ecology, because obviously, the war,
[00:12:20] military actions on the territory of Ukraine bring a lot of
[00:12:24] destructive ecological, sometimes irreversible
[00:12:27] ecological
[00:12:29] consequences. The ancient plot here talks about entirely
[00:12:33] modern things, war, ecology and responsibility for
[00:12:37] one's own actions, and most importantly reminds us that we can change the world
[00:12:41] around us only when we start
[00:12:44] changing it within ourselves. That's
[00:12:47] all the news for now, next up Kateryna Nekrecha and Serhiy Rudenko will be working, I
[00:12:51] bid you farewell, all the best, take care.
[00:13:11] Today Europe, Poland, Ukraine, found themselves at the center
[00:13:15] of geopolitical challenges. The Kremlin attacks Ukraine with drones and
[00:13:18] missiles, tanks, and Europe with fakes and diversions to sow
[00:13:22] fear and divide Europeans. We can say
[00:13:25] this is a decisive moment in our shared history, and our victory, our development,
[00:13:29] our survival depends on how we respond to it and how we comprehend it,
[00:13:32] and today Ukraine is the center of Europe,
[00:13:36] and together with our partners, among whom
[00:13:39] Poland holds a key place, we will restrain the Kremlin's invasion,
[00:13:43] we must say no to dictatorship, violence,
[00:13:45] authoritarianism, watch the "Center of Europe" program every Friday at
[00:13:49] 13:10 on
[00:13:51] Espresso.
[00:13:59] We perform the most difficult tasks.
[00:14:02] The enemy will not understand where death came from. Special
[00:14:06] Operations Forces are always beyond the limit.
[00:14:30] Now, the main thing: Sunday, September 20, and with you
[00:14:33] this evening broadcast, our last live hour
[00:14:36] with Serhiy Rudenko, and we
[00:14:39] will continue to talk about
[00:14:43] how the Ukrainian state generally plans
[00:14:45] to react to such cases that
[00:14:49] happened with the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, who
[00:14:52] literally fled the country. Will there be some... legislative solution
[00:14:56] to this problem, such a systemic one? We will
[00:14:59] talk about pseudo-elections in Russia
[00:15:03] and in the occupied Ukrainian territories, so stay with
[00:15:06] us during this part of the broadcast, and also, if you are
[00:15:10] watching us on YouTube, on the Espresso channel,
[00:15:13] be sure to subscribe and be sure to write your
[00:15:16] comments, and we have our guest on the line, Oleksiy
[00:15:20] Koshel, political scientist, doctor of historical sciences, head of the Committee of Voters of Ukraine, Mr.
[00:15:24] Oleksiy. We greet you, thank you for being with us today,
[00:15:27] greetings, good day, good evening,
[00:15:30] let's start our conversation with the resignation
[00:15:33] of Prosecutor General Ruslan Kravchenko, because
[00:15:36] immediately after this
[00:15:39] procedure, when the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine dismissed
[00:15:43] Kravchenko, a completely logical question arose,
[00:15:47] was that conflict, which we witnessed, the public
[00:15:50] conflict between Kravchenko and NABU director
[00:15:54] Semen Kryvonos, was it a personal conflict, or was
[00:15:58] it still a conflict between the structures
[00:16:01] they head, or is this conflict also called
[00:16:05] an institutional crisis, are there signs
[00:16:08] of an institutional crisis in Ukraine, or is it still about
[00:16:12] some personal non-acceptance
[00:16:14] of one person by another?
[00:16:17] Institutional crisis, managerial
[00:16:20] crisis, we can call it differently, but it
[00:16:23] is present and unfortunately not for the first year, and
[00:16:26] now I would not consider the Prosecutor General separately, because
[00:16:30] we have a huge problem, this is generally a crisis in the work of law enforcement
[00:16:34] agencies, I'll just remind you of the events of the last few weeks,
[00:16:37] when there was a clash
[00:16:41] between representatives of the Security Service
[00:16:43] of Ukraine, and the Main Intelligence Directorate, and
[00:16:47] the SBU no longer even hides the fact that there is a problem, the culprits will
[00:16:51] be punished, there are many other examples,
[00:16:54] again, the case of fraudulent call centers, I will remind you
[00:16:58] that we have a separate department of cybersecurity, there is a center
[00:17:02] of cybersecurity, the Security Service of Ukraine.
[00:17:06] There is a separate unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs,
[00:17:09] called the Cyberpolice, and it's hard for me to imagine that both the SBU and
[00:17:13] the cyberpolice simply didn't notice such a massive
[00:17:17] fraudulent scheme, in which according to media reports,
[00:17:20] more than 60,000 people were involved, this is a huge number, if they didn't
[00:17:24] notice, then it's incompetence, if they noticed, they didn't
[00:17:28] react, well then the problem is much bigger,
[00:17:31] and that is, now the question is not only about Kravchenko, the question is much
[00:17:35] broader. Well, and in addition to this
[00:17:38] is added the absence of any logical cooperation between the government
[00:17:42] and parliament, in fact, parliamentary
[00:17:46] sessions were disrupted on Friday, when they could not
[00:17:49] only hear the government, not only an hour of questions for
[00:17:52] the government, they could also devote half
[00:17:56] of the session to considering
[00:17:59] draft laws, and therefore now we need to proceed from this, a
[00:18:03] complex of measures on how to get out, get out of this
[00:18:06] problem, here... the question about Kravchenko,
[00:18:09] well, I think the first step is the legislative
[00:18:13] regulation of the process of electing the Prosecutor
[00:18:16] General, second, a thorough dialogue between the candidate
[00:18:19] and parliament, and before approval, the
[00:18:22] options, scenarios, mechanisms
[00:18:25] for cleaning up the Prosecutor General's Office should have been
[00:18:28] explained, and again looking deeper, looking at
[00:18:32] the cooperation between the government and parliament, because in such
[00:18:36] a format, the government simply cannot be effective, you say,
[00:18:39] Mr. Oleksiy, that obviously, this whole
[00:18:42] call center scheme could not have gone
[00:18:46] unnoticed by other law enforcement agencies, in some media
[00:18:50] they write that
[00:18:52] this part, which the prosecutors took
[00:18:56] for themselves, is not the entire part of this large
[00:18:59] call center pie, that other
[00:19:02] law enforcement agencies are involved,
[00:19:06] can the story of Carthage
[00:19:10] in the Prosecutor General's Office, I mean the special operation
[00:19:13] Carthage, be the beginning of subsequent
[00:19:17] NABU special operations, Carthage-1, Carthage-2,
[00:19:20] Carthage-3, in which
[00:19:24] evidence will be seized
[00:19:25] or evidence will be made public
[00:19:29] regarding the involvement of other law enforcement
[00:19:33] agencies in covering call centers, although call centers are...
[00:19:37] it seems to me, only one of the segments of this
[00:19:40] shadow economy, such
[00:19:43] a bandit economy, which exists in Ukraine,
[00:19:47] obviously, obviously, this is not all.
[00:19:50] Well, I agree, that is, the definition "bandit economy" is the closest
[00:19:54] fit, because de facto law enforcement officers are working in the format of the early
[00:19:58] 90s, and here I do not rule out that there may
[00:20:02] be subsequent and subsequent stages, so now
[00:20:05] the key task is not only the question of Kravchenko, not
[00:20:08] only the question of the prosecutor's office, but generally cleansing
[00:20:12] law enforcement officers and moving to some
[00:20:15] logical, normal, systemic format
[00:20:18] of work. Well, first, I believe that in general,
[00:20:21] among those bodies that were most affected by such
[00:20:25] corrosion, which operate in a semi-paralyzed state,
[00:20:28] is the parliament. And here, obviously, we need to think about a number
[00:20:31] of steps on how to improve the situation, such as increasing
[00:20:34] the number of days of session
[00:20:37] meetings, I am convinced that it is worth raising
[00:20:41] the question of a possible re-election of the leadership
[00:20:44] of the parliament, speaker, vice-speakers, because
[00:20:48] a large part of the responsibility for the state of affairs in which
[00:20:52] the parliament finds itself also lies with them.
[00:20:56] In general, the adoption of common mechanisms between the government,
[00:20:59] parliament, they can be different, there can be a common plan
[00:21:02] of legislative work, there are priorities, military
[00:21:06] draft laws once, Euro-integration - twice, well and
[00:21:09] quite naturally, those draft laws on which our
[00:21:12] financing depends, and really perhaps even
[00:21:15] survival. Around these draft laws, I am
[00:21:19] convinced that... it is easy to form, well, if not
[00:21:22] a new coalition, then at least, if we look realistically,
[00:21:26] a new situational coalition, which can unite the parliament
[00:21:30] for a certain period of time, and those
[00:21:33] priorities of work that I mentioned, well, that's at least a year
[00:21:37] of parliamentary work, and we need to proceed from such
[00:21:41] approaches,
[00:21:43] Mr. Oleksiy, if the parliament works for a minimum of one year, well, firstly,
[00:21:46] can a political will emerge
[00:21:50] after such a blatant case with
[00:21:52] Kravchenko to start this process,
[00:21:56] yes, and on the other hand, how to get out
[00:21:59] of the situation now in the short-term
[00:22:03] perspective?
[00:22:06] I think, first, there must be understanding on the part of the authorities, on
[00:22:09] the part of the head of government, on the part
[00:22:11] of that illogical system of governance that
[00:22:15] is happening today, when the President's Office stands at the top of the
[00:22:18] pyramid. The executive and legislative branches are virtually
[00:22:22] such units, two branches that are completely directly
[00:22:25] subordinate. If this mechanism worked six months ago,
[00:22:29] we must understand that over the past two months, everything has changed
[00:22:32] radically, that is, both the issue
[00:22:35] of the front, I mean reactive drones, means
[00:22:38] of counteraction, the absence
[00:22:41] of warheads for our
[00:22:44] air defense, this is also an economic issue. Well, for
[00:22:46] example, over the last two months, we have received
[00:22:50] an extremely serious blow to Ukrainian
[00:22:53] metallurgy, an extremely serious blow
[00:22:56] to our farmers, and so far there is no clear vision of how
[00:22:59] to solve this problem, that is, the country that was
[00:23:03] at the beginning of summer and in the
[00:23:06] middle of September, there are two radically
[00:23:09] different situations there in the economy and at the front, and
[00:23:12] therefore, I don't want to be an idealist, I don't want to talk
[00:23:16] about a new coalition, but
[00:23:20] there are no other options
[00:23:23] to get out of the situation, no other options for us to set up
[00:23:26] the work of these managerial mechanisms,
[00:23:30] I don't see any today, well, and for the authorities, again, the authorities
[00:23:34] should perfectly understand that the probability of early
[00:23:37] elections and a quick truce, today this
[00:23:40] probability is quite, quite low, and therefore
[00:23:44] we had a recent example in 2022,
[00:23:47] spring, autumn, when in parliament
[00:23:50] there were mostly 300 votes for draft laws that
[00:23:54] became laws, I won't be an idealist, but
[00:23:58] at least to ensure 226 now for
[00:24:01] military, Euro-integration, this is
[00:24:04] quite realistic, well, obviously, whether this will be
[00:24:08] the case or not depends, among other things, or primarily, on
[00:24:12] the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, who is the informal
[00:24:15] leader of the Servant of the People and...
[00:24:19] is the person who brought to parliament, or under
[00:24:22] whose banner this mono-majority passed, which then,
[00:24:25] well, the majority, which then formed a mono-majority in
[00:24:29] parliament, but against the
[00:24:32] background of what you are saying, Ruslan Kravchenko,
[00:24:36] now the former Prosecutor General of Ukraine, said that
[00:24:39] Zelensky, he asked him
[00:24:43] and interfered in his affairs, he said that
[00:24:46] there is no need to initiate a case and no need to serve
[00:24:51] a notice of suspicion to NABU director
[00:24:54] Semen Kryvonos, but well, this
[00:24:57] is the criminal code, that is, Article 343,
[00:25:00] interference in the activities of the prosecutor's office and the prosecutor
[00:25:04] general or judicial expert, there is a long
[00:25:07] this article sounds like that, President
[00:25:11] Zelensky, according to the Constitution,
[00:25:14] enjoys immunity, but in the current situation,
[00:25:17] can this case
[00:25:21] gain prospects after President
[00:25:24] Zelensky loses his powers, because
[00:25:27] putting pressure on the prosecutor and the general
[00:25:31] if he has evidence in the prosecutor general, this is in principle a criminal
[00:25:35] article, which obviously will not have a
[00:25:38] statute of limitations, and you don't have to wait
[00:25:42] 10-15 years for this statute of limitations to expire,
[00:25:45] Zelensky will definitely be reminded
[00:25:49] of this, what do you think, in the current situation,
[00:25:52] can Kravchenko go further than what he said, that is, can
[00:25:56] he provide evidence that President Zelensky put pressure
[00:26:00] on the Prosecutor General and in this
[00:26:02] way already one criminal case awaits Zelensky in the future?
[00:26:05] Well, on the one hand, let's
[00:26:09] imagine, in
[00:26:12] what a trap Kravchenko is in now, that is, a person who two
[00:26:15] weeks ago stood at the top of the pyramid of the power
[00:26:19] structure, that is, the chief security official of the country,
[00:26:22] de facto, and then suddenly he turns into
[00:26:25] an outcast, and I think that, well, at least I'm watching his
[00:26:28] activity, he's creating YouTube channels, giving media.
[00:26:32] occasions, I think that a simply good
[00:26:35] consulting agency gave him advice that the best
[00:26:39] defense is offense, and therefore such options
[00:26:42] of attack will continue to exist, I think
[00:26:46] that Kravchenko will speak, will speak a lot,
[00:26:49] will speak for a long time, but perhaps there is another scenario,
[00:26:53] perhaps he will choose some comfortable country for himself, where
[00:26:56] he will start to feel safe more or less for a certain period of time,
[00:27:00] but in any case...
[00:27:03] the information voiced will sooner or later
[00:27:06] become a subject for criminal proceedings, and here I
[00:27:10] agree with you, that is, the statement
[00:27:12] of the ex-Prosecutor General about the pressure of the president on security forces
[00:27:16] can have consequences, even in the distant
[00:27:18] future.
[00:27:21] Well, but in the near future we are waiting for
[00:27:24] the election or the proposal for the election
[00:27:27] of a new Prosecutor General, for now
[00:27:30] Zelensky is not in a hurry with this and... And here arises
[00:27:34] a perfectly logical question, why? Because
[00:27:37] with the resignation of Kravchenko, it would have been possible
[00:27:40] to simultaneously vote for a new Prosecutor
[00:27:43] General, what from a new Prosecutor General can depend
[00:27:47] in the current situation, such that his
[00:27:50] candidacy is not submitted so quickly, that is, if the Prosecutor
[00:27:54] General can submit a submission for bringing to
[00:27:57] criminal liability the people's deputies of Ukraine, then
[00:28:00] what is in the powers
[00:28:03] of the Prosecutor General that
[00:28:05] may be undesirable at the current stage, and that with this
[00:28:09] Prosecutor General, one should not
[00:28:12] make a mistake, because he can do
[00:28:15] something that is not expected
[00:28:18] from him.
[00:28:21] I think that one of the reasons is that Bankova today really does not have
[00:28:25] votes in parliament for the appointment of a new Prosecutor General. There
[00:28:29] are several reasons, well, first, the
[00:28:32] management of the parliament has changed, well, excuse me, well, that's
[00:28:35] how it is, during Yermak's period it worked
[00:28:38] flawlessly, that is, they negotiated with pro-government
[00:28:41] groups-factions, unofficial colleagues in
[00:28:44] the coalition, somewhere maybe persuasion, somewhere maybe
[00:28:47] requests, somewhere maybe there was a distribution
[00:28:50] of state positions in favor of temporary allies, that is, it worked
[00:28:54] differently, but the votes were secured, now
[00:28:57] the system has failed, well, let's still see that for the resignation
[00:29:01] of the Prosecutor General... there were 330,
[00:29:05] 331 votes, colossal 31 317
[00:29:08] 317 for this parliament is just a colossal
[00:29:11] number, that is, obviously everyone is dissatisfied with Kravchenko without
[00:29:15] exception, but appointing here is already more difficult,
[00:29:18] because it is necessary to save face before the Europeans, who
[00:29:22] say stop, the question is not in the name, change the principles,
[00:29:26] change the approaches, you took obligations there to elect
[00:29:29] a Prosecutor General, reform the SBI. There are
[00:29:33] many questions for Ukraine,
[00:29:36] and therefore, perhaps, they deliberately took a sufficiently long pause
[00:29:40] in order to see how the Europeans would react,
[00:29:43] how much they would pressure
[00:29:47] or observe, well, and later there will be a decision,
[00:29:50] well, and I do not exclude that such a long pause in
[00:29:53] the work of the parliament was also taken precisely because of
[00:29:57] the impasse, because of the misunderstanding of what to do with this extremely high-profile
[00:30:01] case, and how to get out of the situation, because they want to have
[00:30:04] a controlled new Prosecutor General, they want to
[00:30:07] control the processes further, well, and
[00:30:11] no one wants to look at the process broadly, that the question is not only in
[00:30:14] Kravchenko, the question is that the system is ineffective,
[00:30:18] they built an administrative anomaly that cannot be
[00:30:22] effective, in manual mode, not manual,
[00:30:25] but the state is ineffective, that is the biggest problem. Thank you
[00:30:29] , Oleksiy, for joining us this Sunday evening for our
[00:30:32] broadcast. Oleksiy Koshel, political scientist, doctor of historical sciences,
[00:30:36] head of the Committee of Voters. And we were talking about
[00:30:39] the institutional crisis and how to get out of it at all,
[00:30:43] to get out of this situation, and the question remains
[00:30:47] open, whether a system that largely
[00:30:51] concentrates around the presidential
[00:30:53] vertical, with a weakened role of parliament after
[00:30:57] 2022 can come to balance.