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[00:00:00] There were many more top presentations of Ukrainian
[00:00:04] manufacturers at the exhibition, and we'll talk about them later, but now about Coral, about
[00:00:08] Ukrainian ballistics and Ukrainian anti-ballistics, about
[00:00:11] reactive Shaheds, we are talking to Anatolii
[00:00:14] Khrapchynskyi, who returned from Kielce from the international
[00:00:18] defense industry exhibition. Anatolii
[00:00:21] Khrapchynskyi, aviation expert, former officer
[00:00:24] of the Ukrainian Air Force, director of development of a defense
[00:00:28] enterprise. Mr. Anatolii, welcome. You were sitting
[00:00:31] in that photo from the exhibition in Kielce with such joy,
[00:00:35] radiating it, at the helm of an F-35,
[00:00:38] that it is immediately clear that there are no former Air Force officers.
[00:00:41] Please tell me, how fundamentally different is it from those F-16s that we have, and do we
[00:00:45] have such an
[00:00:48] ambition or dream to someday get such machines, because the Poles, it seems,
[00:00:52] have F-35s. The Turks have F-35s,
[00:00:56] in fact, compared to the F-16, the F-16 for me.
[00:01:00] I had to sit in the cockpit back in the early
[00:01:02] 2000s, but here it should be noted that this is actually completely different
[00:01:06] technology, completely different capabilities, respectively,
[00:01:09] it should be said that the cost of the resource for using such an aircraft
[00:01:12] is significantly higher, so of course we should
[00:01:16] dream of fifth-generation aircraft that we could use in our
[00:01:19] air forces, but in my opinion, for now,
[00:01:22] the most effective means that we
[00:01:26] could get would be Gripen aircraft, because they are significantly
[00:01:29] cheaper in terms of resources and they were built
[00:01:32] exclusively for war with a neighboring country,
[00:01:35] because the anticipated ability to
[00:01:39] take off from road surfaces and the anticipated
[00:01:42] ability to disperse
[00:01:45] aircraft to the nearest, for example, some groves or
[00:01:49] forests, that is, here we are talking about the safety
[00:01:53] of aviation not basing itself on one large airfield, because America
[00:01:57] is still, let's say, either an aircraft carrier... or a separate
[00:02:00] continent where they are located, and they do not have such ground threats as
[00:02:04] we do from the Russian Federation, so accordingly, it must be said that
[00:02:08] yes, this aircraft can be used as
[00:02:11] a modern defense
[00:02:14] system that can counter many
[00:02:17] threats, but at the same time, when we are fighting an enemy that
[00:02:20] launches hundreds and thousands of drones
[00:02:24] costing $100, it is clear that the cost
[00:02:27] of one missile from an F-35, which
[00:02:30] costs over half a million dollars, is accordingly
[00:02:34] an unprofitable use, so what is the purpose of the F-35 then, what is
[00:02:37] their mission, why are these aircraft
[00:02:40] then? They were created, they were created for
[00:02:43] large contracts, they were created in those times during
[00:02:47] the arms race, when they were
[00:02:50] created in peacetime from possible
[00:02:53] future threats, because in principle, the F-35 can fly in
[00:02:57] a group with drones that can perform them, that is,
[00:03:01] it will be known, leading, drones will be known
[00:03:04] and will perform certain tasks, so I would say that in fact
[00:03:08] here there
[00:03:11] are interesting solutions that they can use, but
[00:03:14] again, this is a more modern, more technological
[00:03:18] war that involves the use of such equipment, for now we
[00:03:21] are fighting an enemy that actively uses Chinese
[00:03:24] components, Chinese engines and
[00:03:27] saturates its means of destruction with cheap elements. Clear, well,
[00:03:30] it turns out that the F35 is a plane for the rich, right?
[00:03:34] Tell me, please, do the Russians have fifth-generation planes, or do they
[00:03:38] want to have fifth-generation, or is it four and a
[00:03:41] half generation that they have
[00:03:44] now?
[00:03:47] Russia thinks that they have fifth-generation aircraft, and they
[00:03:51] express themselves from the point of view of technical characteristics, as if they have fifth-generation aircraft,
[00:03:54] if we are talking about the Su-57, but at the same time
[00:03:58] it must be said that this... does not meet the technical
[00:04:02] characteristics of a fifth-generation aircraft, there are a lot of questions,
[00:04:05] at least, let's start with the fact that the 157 aircraft use
[00:04:09] aircraft engines, and the FL-41 is
[00:04:12] a modernization of the old FL-31
[00:04:15] engine, that is, we are talking about these engines that were used
[00:04:18] earlier on the Su-27,
[00:04:22] that is, on older aircraft, moreover, even the mounts are the same on these
[00:04:25] engines, they say this about the conditional
[00:04:29] modularity, that is, you can put an old engine in a new aircraft,
[00:04:33] but at the same time it must be said that
[00:04:35] there are serious problems with jet engines for the enemy, and
[00:04:39] at the same time it must be said that there is a serious problem with the electronics that
[00:04:43] they install in their aircraft, because let's remember that the
[00:04:47] growth of Russian aviation took place against the background of gaining the ability to install
[00:04:50] French avionics, American chips in their aircraft, then
[00:04:54] the technological growth of these aircraft began, after 2014 they
[00:04:57] had serious problems regarding
[00:05:00] the ability to purchase these components, accordingly it must be said
[00:05:04] that currently they
[00:05:07] use either what is imported through illegal channels, or, for example, what Belarus
[00:05:11] produces, which at one time... also managed to establish the production of some
[00:05:15] components.
[00:05:17] Okay, let's go from the sky to the ground, let's return to
[00:05:21] the exhibition in Kielce, please tell me, how honorably was
[00:05:24] Ukraine represented there, that is, which stands
[00:05:27] perhaps most interested you, how did it
[00:05:30] look against the background of other participants, your certain personal
[00:05:33] impressions?
[00:05:37] Well, let's start with the fact that at least two
[00:05:39] stands of Ukrainian associations. Armament
[00:05:43] and NaUD stood side by side, this is already close to
[00:05:46] the goal that I constantly announce, that at such international
[00:05:50] exhibitions Ukraine should be presented with a common
[00:05:53] single stand, Ukraine, where the
[00:05:56] opportunity to show all
[00:06:00] the technologies that we use,
[00:06:03] to maximally immerse society in
[00:06:06] war, and to use 3D
[00:06:09] visualization, to show what happened after the liberation of Bucha,
[00:06:13] what was in other directions, how the Russian
[00:06:16] Federation is fighting, visually it is necessary to show so that
[00:06:20] Europeans who come to these defense exhibitions
[00:06:23] understand that what
[00:06:26] they are currently presenting them with, models of a large number
[00:06:30] of weapons, it is not a fact that it can protect them from the invasion that
[00:06:33] comes from Russia, so it is certainly
[00:06:36] necessary to say that Ukraine presented a large number of interesting
[00:06:40] solutions, and Firepoint, once
[00:06:43] again, showed its ballistic and cruise missiles, accordingly and attack
[00:06:47] drones, so in principle we looked decent, but
[00:06:51] at the same time it must be said that we see Poland, which is
[00:06:53] actively cooperating in increasing
[00:06:57] its defense budget, let's remember that Poland has the largest defense budget in
[00:07:00] Europe, they have the opportunity to cooperate
[00:07:04] with South Korea, which we
[00:07:07] do not have the opportunity to, South Korea produces many interesting
[00:07:11] solutions and analogues of American
[00:07:13] weapons under an American license, it produces a lot of interesting weapons that it supplies to
[00:07:17] Poland, perhaps that is why we
[00:07:21] do not have direct government contracts with Poland that would allow us
[00:07:25] to interact between defense companies, by the way, so here it must be
[00:07:28] said that Poland most likely
[00:07:31] continues to receive funding for its
[00:07:34] defense contracts, accordingly the opportunity to work with such
[00:07:38] states as Israel or
[00:07:42] South Korea, or, for example, the same Japan, where cooperation with
[00:07:45] states that have "victory" is not foreseen
[00:07:48] by the state doctrine. Models, models, models. In our
[00:07:52] social networks, when the exhibition in Kielce took place, there was such
[00:07:55] a wave of depreciation, you know, about the fact that they are showing
[00:07:58] models again, and when will we see real
[00:08:01] products, what can you say about that?
[00:08:04] Well, the real product recently
[00:08:07] formed an entire production
[00:08:11] workshop in the territory of the Russian Federation,
[00:08:14] and there are still a number of indicators
[00:08:17] of weapon use, moreover, it must be said that
[00:08:21] samples were presented that have already proven themselves effective
[00:08:24] on the combat line, protecting
[00:08:28] servicemen, helping to detect enemy threats, but
[00:08:32] at the same time, accordingly it must be said that let's
[00:08:35] ask or ask Ukrainian manufacturers
[00:08:38] how many products Poland does not allow to be brought
[00:08:42] to any other European exhibition, so here
[00:08:45] there is also a certain problem with import, and the fact that models
[00:08:49] are presented, a model is much easier to export than some sample
[00:08:53] of weaponry, because there are also certain
[00:08:55] restrictions, but at the same time it must be said
[00:08:59] that there is a key request, recently Valerii
[00:09:02] Zaluzhnyi appealed about the need to unite
[00:09:06] efforts to create quality solutions, and here
[00:09:09] I support him, because in turn...
[00:09:27] to get expertise from Ukraine, to stick a
[00:09:30] "Battleproof in Ukraine" sticker on it, but
[00:09:33] at the same time to work exclusively in the direction of monetizing their
[00:09:37] capabilities. Let's recall the experience of the Second
[00:09:41] World War. but the allies united their
[00:09:44] efforts, and how much and what kind of weapons
[00:09:47] to produce, was decided not by separate ministries
[00:09:51] of individual states, but by a single body, so we have
[00:09:55] something like Ramstein, but at the same time it must be said
[00:09:58] that Ramstein is the distribution of available resources and their transfer
[00:10:02] to Ukraine, it is not the creation of a general strategy,
[00:10:05] where there is a number of European
[00:10:08] companies that develop radars, that develop
[00:10:12] guidance: unite your efforts to create a modern
[00:10:15] system that can overcome the ballistic threat. Let's solve
[00:10:19] the issue of reducing the cost of countering ballistic missiles,
[00:10:22] that is, the European defense
[00:10:26] industry remains fragmented,
[00:10:28] disunited and accordingly most companies do not
[00:10:32] foresee rapid scaling in
[00:10:35] Randy, it sees the possibility of selling existing means
[00:10:39] directly to the state, which they are ready to purchase, so
[00:10:43] this is a global problem, perhaps this is a request to Europe, this is a request to our
[00:10:47] diplomacy so that we can unite efforts, there is
[00:10:50] a promising proposal from the side of uniting efforts
[00:10:54] around Freya, because there is a proposal to unite efforts that exist in
[00:10:58] European countries, there are opportunities to produce solid fuel in
[00:11:00] Denmark, there are opportunities to produce guidance heads in
[00:11:04] Germany, radars, to combine all these systems into a
[00:11:07] single complex, into a single network that will allow
[00:11:11] to reduce the cost of missiles, interceptors, by the way, here we must again remember
[00:11:15] that now the United States is considering the possibility of reducing the cost of both Pact
[00:11:19] 3x MSA missiles for the Patriot system and
[00:11:21] missiles for the THAAD systems, this is anti-missile
[00:11:25] defense, accordingly it must be said that most manufacturers
[00:11:28] are already starting to look into cost reduction, but at the same time
[00:11:32] most manufacturers say that funding is needed, because they
[00:11:36] are used to living in peacetime, where
[00:11:39] the deadline is set not by the
[00:11:42] combat line, but by the corresponding manager. Mr. Anatolii,
[00:11:45] you literally anticipated my question about Freya, because literally
[00:11:49] the other day President Zelensky mentioned it again, how
[00:11:53] seriously to take this project, we just know that Europeans
[00:11:57] had more than one project in different
[00:12:01] defense sectors, which they eventually did not bring
[00:12:04] to fruition, precisely because it is many countries, many
[00:12:07] manufacturers, and such a certain, excuse me, collective farm
[00:12:11] was formed, will it not be the same with Freya, how serious is
[00:12:15] the matter here?
[00:12:19] Let's start with the fact that Ukraine was not in those other
[00:12:22] projects, perhaps this is the main problem of Europe that they could not
[00:12:25] unite,
[00:12:28] they could not unite, because you can recall the project
[00:12:31] of creating a joint aircraft, and let's
[00:12:35] remember even the present time, the beginning of the full-scale
[00:12:38] invasion, the creation of the European sky shield, where the
[00:12:41] Europeans argued about what they would use as the main
[00:12:44] system, the Patriot system or the
[00:12:47] SAMP/T system, let's remember the drone wall,
[00:12:51] which still doesn't have this wall, perhaps some
[00:12:54] other price on the border with the Russian Federation, accordingly it must be
[00:12:58] said that the main task here is to overcome certain
[00:13:02] bureaucratic obstacles, and precisely bureaucratic obstacles in
[00:13:05] Europe, at the same time bureaucratic obstacles in Ukraine, because
[00:13:09] again, returning to the experience of the Second World War, then there were
[00:13:13] no, there were no restrictions on the transfer of technologies,
[00:13:16] that is, technologies were quickly exchanged between allied
[00:13:19] states. Now we have, conditionally speaking,
[00:13:23] open export of weapons,
[00:13:25] which still hasn't started, because there are a lot of memorandums and intentions, but
[00:13:29] there is no export of weapons, and we have a ban on the export
[00:13:32] of technologies, and the export of technologies is what is actually
[00:13:36] needed right now to quickly optimize in order
[00:13:40] to gain experience from European countries, provide our
[00:13:43] capabilities and exchange this experience and create a joint
[00:13:46] product, and this is the main problem, because
[00:13:49] of course it's great when we are given the opportunity to produce Storm
[00:13:53] Shadow missiles, but how much does this missile cost and how many will we be able to produce
[00:13:57] and when will we start producing them, this also applies to missiles for
[00:14:00] Patriots, how much time will pass before we start producing them.
[00:14:03] Accordingly, it must be said that the cost
[00:14:07] of these, the cost of these means is also significantly higher
[00:14:10] than what we need to counter the enemy threat, because
[00:14:14] the enemy, for example, changes the tactics of air attack, he begins
[00:14:17] to use strategic aviation less, because the flight of six
[00:14:21] strategic bombers is 2 million dollars, this is without the cost of missiles.
[00:14:25] Accordingly, it is easier to launch reactive drones for this cost,
[00:14:28] in addition to the reduced cost of missiles, which cost from $100 to
[00:14:32] $150,000 and
[00:14:35] much more, although in terms of profile it is the same air target as
[00:14:39] a cruise missile for us, so in principle here I would say that
[00:14:43] we need to look for solutions for cost reduction, interaction with
[00:14:46] European companies through the opening of technology transfer, this
[00:14:50] is a very important issue, which does not become
[00:14:53] the main obstacle to interaction between
[00:14:57] companies, in the desire of investors to invest in
[00:15:00] Ukraine, because let's compare
[00:15:03] some European companies that received about 600
[00:15:07] million euros in investments last year, this year that quantity,
[00:15:11] received billions of euros in investments because it
[00:15:14] has battleproofs in Ukraine, Ukrainian companies, on the other hand, last
[00:15:18] year received only 125 million in investments, what does this tell us? It says that
[00:15:22] we need to attract investors, an investor can
[00:15:25] come in under what, when he can be guaranteed to receive the IP of the product,
[00:15:29] if he lays it out, he will be able to manufacture this product in his
[00:15:32] country, or at least he will be protected by
[00:15:36] the state in... within the framework of the existing
[00:15:39] public-private partnership law, but which does not work, his
[00:15:43] investments will be protected, that is, the state guarantees, because
[00:15:46] if we give an example, when the state guarantees,
[00:15:50] quality products appear, it is enough to recall
[00:15:53] SpaceX with its Starlink, the state
[00:15:56] guaranteed that this product would be of high quality, investors began to invest money, and
[00:16:00] when Elon Musk's rockets fell, investors did not ask, they waited
[00:16:03] for it to work, well, we are so
[00:16:06] demanding, when something doesn't fly, we immediately start
[00:16:10] to revile it, but at the same time it must be said that precisely
[00:16:13] quality interaction and state conditions that will allow
[00:16:16] Ukrainian manufacturers to attract European investors, to exchange
[00:16:20] technologies with Europeans, this will also bring
[00:16:23] certain opportunities to Europeans, let's recall how Poland demanded drones from us for
[00:16:27] the old MiG-29, that is, when there are frameworks
[00:16:30] for interaction on equal terms, then it will be
[00:16:34] better for the Ukrainian manufacturer, it is clear that European
[00:16:37] manufacturers are afraid of Ukrainian manufacturers, because we offer many cheap
[00:16:40] solutions, let's recall Peppenger's interview, when he said
[00:16:44] that in order to create some element, we separate a separate
[00:16:48] enterprise, and Ukrainians take Jetson,
[00:16:51] Nvidia, take some Raspberry Pi and make it, it must be said
[00:16:54] that efforts between countries must be united
[00:16:58] in order to create a unified system, where decisions
[00:17:01] of strategic importance will be made, because
[00:17:04] again, let's return to the experience of the Second World War,
[00:17:07] when the decision of how much weapon was needed was made by a separate
[00:17:11] body, and not by some state ministry. Everything revolves around
[00:17:14] money, you yourself in this conversation several times mentioned cheap
[00:17:18] solutions, that is, they should not just be some unique ones, they can
[00:17:22] be, they need to be scaled for small costs, so
[00:17:25] the Russians seem to be succeeding, we are currently shooting down
[00:17:29] in the conditions of this missile and drone terror, we are
[00:17:33] shooting it down with planes, this is an expensive solution, yes this is an
[00:17:36] emergency solution, this is what
[00:17:39] we can do now, but in fact this cannot be a strategic solution.
[00:17:43] Please tell me, what can now close
[00:17:47] this issue of missile and drone terror,
[00:17:49] because Kyiv, in fact, well, this week, okay, it's a little
[00:17:53] calmer, probably they are accumulating missiles and
[00:17:56] drones, but it feels like in 2022, when we
[00:17:59] didn't have Patriots and nothing, these must be
[00:18:03] reactive interceptors, these must be SAMs, it must
[00:18:07] be a complex, what should it be, because there are different opinions and different
[00:18:11] discussions on how to build this new virtually
[00:18:13] air defense.
[00:18:17] Let's start with the fact that there is no single solution that will save us from all
[00:18:20] threats, and therefore we constantly, I constantly emphasize that
[00:18:24] we need to build a layered system, with different
[00:18:28] types
[00:18:30] of detection, that is, we must detect in any weather conditions and
[00:18:34] any
[00:18:36] threats. detect an air target at different altitudes,
[00:18:40] regardless of the speed of flight, accordingly,
[00:18:43] already receiving information regarding
[00:18:46] the characteristics of the target, at what altitude, at what speed, then we can
[00:18:50] talk about the choice of weapons that we will use against this
[00:18:53] drone, and accordingly this can only be said when we
[00:18:57] can saturate our capabilities with different
[00:18:59] tools, at one time mobile fire groups
[00:19:03] used Brownings, then they got, uh, MANPADS
[00:19:07] systems. then they got interceptor drones,
[00:19:10] uh, similarly, one can also say that
[00:19:13] it could be used now.
[00:19:16] In fact, we are not only shooting down aviation, and it should be noted that recently
[00:19:20] some capabilities for interception have improved, I will not say with what
[00:19:23] tools, but they
[00:19:27] are very strange, but they
[00:19:29] help, well, this
[00:19:33] is not
[00:19:36] for anyone. we have been talking about this for a long time, that it can be used, but
[00:19:39] again, this requires a clear understanding of the air
[00:19:43] target, so here I would say that in any case we
[00:19:47] must build a system that will be capable of responding
[00:19:51] even to future challenges, because now the enemy uses
[00:19:55] jet speed, then he adapts
[00:19:58] mesh communication more effectively, that is, we have already seen the use
[00:20:01] of mesh communication along the western border, along the border with
[00:20:05] Poland, when Shaheds flew in.
[00:20:07] Accordingly, it must be said that this is the next direction in which it is moving.
[00:20:11] The main problem is to understand that most of the enemy's
[00:20:15] air attack means that he currently uses, instead of cruise
[00:20:18] missiles there, are unified tools, because
[00:20:22] look at the Serpisha antenna,
[00:20:25] which detects any errors and
[00:20:29] receives navigation data, a unified system that can
[00:20:32] work on a banderole, which can work on a Shahed, which works on the
[00:20:36] MPK module, cab, communication system,
[00:20:40] navigation, cameras, all this
[00:20:43] is cheap Chinese stuff, which is supplied by the wagon,
[00:20:46] in containers from China, and accordingly,
[00:20:50] this allowed Russia to scale the volumes of such
[00:20:53] production and quickly modernize, because, for example, the Geran-3
[00:20:57] was a regular, regular Geran
[00:21:01] with a DVS, but they put a jet engine on it, accordingly they could not
[00:21:04] speed it up, so they strengthened the body and made it
[00:21:07] accordingly, and now the form factor is changing, that is,
[00:21:10] there is Kavyor or
[00:21:13] Banderole or Shahed or Karar 5,
[00:21:16] Karar drone is Geran 5, this is
[00:21:19] a drone. a missile, accordingly it must be said that what they did is
[00:21:23] what I constantly say are unified elements from which different tools
[00:21:27] can be assembled, used at a long
[00:21:30] distance, without raising expensive strategic aviation, without
[00:21:34] raising expensive tactical aviation, and I understand
[00:21:38] that forecasts are always a thankless task, but I heard that
[00:21:41] Ukraine will receive full-fledged missile and drone defense somewhere within
[00:21:45] two months, and against ballistics somewhere in
[00:21:48] six months, do you agree with such a statement, or is it too
[00:21:52] optimistic, or too pessimistic, how are things
[00:21:55] progressing here?
[00:21:58] will receive, this means will receive from our Western partners, I would say,
[00:22:02] I would ask when we will make our own solution, because
[00:22:05] Ukroboronprom presented a quite high-quality, interesting
[00:22:08] solution, and a repurposed aviation
[00:22:12] missile, this is a classic practice of all defense
[00:22:15] companies, when a class air-to-air missile, and they
[00:22:19] upgrade it or upgrade
[00:22:22] the platform and refine certain technical
[00:22:25] capabilities in order to be able to intercept air
[00:22:28] nations, accordingly it must be said that I am talking about Coral,
[00:22:32] yes, yes, only there someone mistakenly said that
[00:22:35] it can intercept ballistics, it cannot intercept ballistics, because the speeds do not
[00:22:39] allow it and the guidance system does not allow it, this is an exclusively
[00:22:43] tactical SAM system that will work against
[00:22:47] cruise missiles, against aircraft, against jet
[00:22:50] drones, so I would say that right now
[00:22:53] we do not need to wait again for our Western partners to give us something, but
[00:22:57] to do our own, a quality example of capability regarding strikes
[00:23:01] deep into the territory of the Russian Federation. When we started producing our
[00:23:05] means, Russia is now seeking to get
[00:23:08] an energy truce. So here it must be said that when we
[00:23:11] can independently create means to counter such
[00:23:15] a threat, this will be the best solution. Of course,
[00:23:19] it won't work independently, but when we unite efforts with
[00:23:23] our Western partners at the level of partnership and
[00:23:26] technology transfer, then we will have more
[00:23:29] opportunities. We logically came to the conversation about deep strikes,
[00:23:33] you mentioned long-range strikes on
[00:23:36] Russia, you know, there is no longer that feeling in
[00:23:39] society, as it was, for example, in May, in June, after another
[00:23:43] arrival, there is no such euphoria, on the one hand, people have probably
[00:23:47] already gotten used to it, on the other hand, the attacks on Kyiv, on
[00:23:50] Ukraine, somehow don't add much either. optimism, but here
[00:23:54] it's more about Eric Schmidt, yes, about the former
[00:23:57] head of Google, who wrote a column, you obviously read
[00:24:01] it about
[00:24:04] Ukraine losing its advantage
[00:24:07] in the drone war with Russia.
[00:24:10] How objective is such
[00:24:14] an assessment? In my opinion, it's an assessment
[00:24:17] that forces us to once again address a number of questions: what are we doing
[00:24:21] wrong? Here, there is correct
[00:24:25] and quality feedback
[00:24:28] from a person who works with drones, and accordingly, it must be said that
[00:24:32] his advice should be listened to. And you are once again
[00:24:36] pushing me towards the topic of interaction with Western
[00:24:40] partners regarding accelerating our technologies, because we are
[00:24:43] significantly dependent on Chinese components. To start
[00:24:46] producing our own components, we need millions
[00:24:50] of investments to create factories that will produce flight
[00:24:54] controllers, produce engines. Well, we produce engines, but we still
[00:24:58] buy magnets from China. Accordingly, we need to talk about the fact
[00:25:01] that we need a unified strategy for the development of the defense industry,
[00:25:05] which will be part of the strategy of the European Union,
[00:25:08] at least of the countries that help us and actively
[00:25:11] help, not express their concern, but rather
[00:25:15] help us with weapons, help us with money. Accordingly, we need to talk
[00:25:18] about unification with... The goal of creating a single communication center that
[00:25:22] will make decisions about what weapons, what
[00:25:26] companies start doing, developing, and where we
[00:25:29] get the invest- investments, money
[00:25:32] from frozen accounts of the Russian Federation. Mr. Anatoliy, I
[00:25:35] thank you for the conversation, for sharing your impressions from
[00:25:38] the Polish exhibition and for such a certain strategic vision, such
[00:25:42] an outline you drew, of what needs to be done, particularly in partnership with Europeans,
[00:25:46] because if Russia has a rear - that's China, then we obviously have a rear -
[00:25:49] that's Europe, and in particular those component factories you
[00:25:53] mentioned, we probably need to place them somewhere else to
[00:25:57] protect them from Russian strikes, which
[00:25:59] will obviously intensify. Thank you. All
[00:26:03] the best. The peculiarity of this war is that it is the first such
[00:26:06] lightning-fast technological race. Between the invention of the submarine
[00:26:09] and sonar,
[00:26:12] 140 years passed. Between the use of poisonous gases and
[00:26:15] gas masks - 110, and between mines and
[00:26:18] mine detectors - 80. In this war,
[00:26:21] between the invention of offensive and defensive weapons,
[00:26:25] only a few months may pass. That's why
[00:26:28] today's engineers are also a bit of strategists who must
[00:26:31] understand where the war will turn. At one of
[00:26:35] the largest European defense exhibitions in Kielce,
[00:26:38] the stands of Ukrainian manufacturers were at the top. Now
[00:26:42] we hope for conveyor production, which
[00:26:44] will make it easier for us, more painful
[00:26:47] for the enemy.
[00:26:51] If the Coral SAM system protects our sky, then
[00:26:54] the RAM2X Kamikaze attack drone has been attacking the enemy
[00:26:58] for two years on the second line of the front and in Crimea.
[00:27:02] But it was also presented to the public for the first time. Our
[00:27:06] troops fly into the second
[00:27:09] echelon
[00:27:11] of Russian military and there, finding a target,
[00:27:15] that is, it's either air defense, or radar
[00:27:18] or other expensive equipment, they destroy it
[00:27:22] thanks to the Ram-2x product. Reactive
[00:27:25] drones, which are currently terrorizing Ukraine, will soon
[00:27:28] fly boomerang-style into Russia. In Kielce,
[00:27:31] a turbojet engine for the Bars
[00:27:34] drone was presented, which successfully passed final testing. The drone
[00:27:38] itself has existed for over a year, but previously it was assembled with imported
[00:27:42] engines, which is expensive, and there will always be
[00:27:45] a shortage of them. But now the localization level of Bars
[00:27:48] exceeds 74%.
[00:27:51] And this means that its own power plant will allow
[00:27:54] the production of reactive drones to scale many times
[00:27:57] faster, without waiting for permits or supplies from
[00:28:01] foreign partners. That is, Russians should
[00:28:05] prepare to experience the same thing that
[00:28:08] Kyiv residents are experiencing now. Just a little more. And this is already a development
[00:28:11] that could protect the sky over Ukraine. The Zirka Shershen.
[00:28:15] This is an air defense system that does not depend on one type of missile and can
[00:28:18] launch five different types of them at targets. And therefore,
[00:28:22] the military will not be intimidated by the lack of supplies. The complex can
[00:28:26] use both Soviet missiles like R-60,
[00:28:29] R-73, and R-27, as well as Western
[00:28:33] AIM-9 and AIM-132.
[00:28:37] Depending on the missile capabilities,
[00:28:41] Iris-T SLM
[00:28:45] or the Norwegian-American NASAMS. To
[00:28:48] manufacture one complex takes half a year, and to launch
[00:28:51] serial production - money. The Russians destroyed all
[00:28:55] the manufacturer's facilities in Ukraine, but cooperation abroad
[00:28:58] has already begun. At the exhibition in
[00:29:01] Kielce, they unexpectedly learned that the fifth
[00:29:05] president of Ukraine, whom they know, but primarily for
[00:29:08] his company's sweets, is now an arms
[00:29:12] baron. Petro Poroshenko
[00:29:15] present the Rep Eye Petro-3 system, in which he has
[00:29:19] is a serious problem for
[00:29:23] Russian KABs and drones. It operates in
[00:29:26] a wide range of frequencies, from 300 to
[00:29:29] 6000 MHz. It scans the space
[00:29:32] 360° and can rotate on a rotating
[00:29:36] platform. The complex is mobile, it is installed
[00:29:39] on a regular pickup truck, and a crew of two people can
[00:29:43] deploy the system in just 10 minutes. About
[00:29:46] 400 such complexes are already operating on
[00:29:50] the line of contact. Polish generals, who closely followed
[00:29:53] Ukrainian innovations, understand how much
[00:29:56] priorities have changed. No one
[00:30:00] will fight an old war.
[00:30:03] There's a change in thinking in Poland, we don't want to continue with such purchases that are difficult
[00:30:06] to accept on the battlefield, Ukraine shows that if we have to wait for
[00:30:10] ammunition that will be imported in a few weeks, or maybe a month, then
[00:30:14] by the time it arrives, it might be too late. New
[00:30:17] developments and their scaling require colossal funds and
[00:30:21] a reliable European rear. The Poles
[00:30:24] promise, they will not leave us
[00:30:26] to our fate.
[00:30:41] Well, we have learned to create our own air defense, build
[00:30:45] jet engines, and close the sky
[00:30:48] with electronic warfare. Ukraine will definitely withstand the air war with
[00:30:51] Russia, for which this may be the last
[00:30:54] chance, because the news from the front certainly does not
[00:30:58] please the Kremlin. What happened there?