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[00:00:00] This is not very logical, first of all, and secondly,
[00:00:03] it is completely impossible
[00:00:05] to control. And if there are any
[00:00:09] regulations that cannot be controlled, then
[00:00:13] people simply ignore them.
[00:00:17] Therefore, if there are new rules
[00:00:20] of conduct during air raids,
[00:00:24] then there must be control over the observance
[00:00:27] of these rules and there must be punishment.
[00:00:31] Otherwise, it's just
[00:00:33] some shaking of the air and nothing
[00:00:37] more.
[00:00:39] People, it's clear that they have not yet
[00:00:43] adapted to the new changes, and
[00:00:46] this,
[00:00:49] unfortunately, the authorities are not doing enough here, besides
[00:00:53] announcing two levels of alerts, obviously
[00:00:57] more detailed explanatory
[00:01:00] measures are needed, and
[00:01:03] still, I will say that there must be a regulatory framework,
[00:01:07] because without it,
[00:01:10] all these are good intentions. Well, is this regulatory framework
[00:01:14] to be approved by the Kyiv City State Administration, or should this be
[00:01:17] an initiative of the government itself, which comes from above, in your
[00:01:20] opinion?
[00:01:23] Well, you see, the government's initiatives are too
[00:01:27] general. I we need to transfer
[00:01:31] the maximum number of powers to the local authorities, so that
[00:01:34] it is not only the Kyiv City State Administration. In fact, in
[00:01:37] Kyiv, security is handled by
[00:01:39] the Kyiv Air Defense, which includes
[00:01:43] both the city
[00:01:46] administration, and the military administration, and
[00:01:48] representatives of the State Emergency Service.
[00:01:52] This is the body that makes decisions regarding
[00:01:55] security. This is on one hand. On the other
[00:01:59] hand, if the authorities cannot
[00:02:01] ensure,
[00:02:05] well, at least, let's say, ensure
[00:02:08] the full security of citizens, then
[00:02:11] citizens must be given
[00:02:13] the opportunity to decide for themselves, to take
[00:02:17] measures, how to act.
[00:02:20] Well, there are many initiatives, for example,
[00:02:23] Mr. Korean Prime Minister said that it is necessary to
[00:02:26] control the cost of taxi services
[00:02:30] during air raids, but this is absolute
[00:02:33] fantasy. It is impossible to control
[00:02:37] thousands of taxi cars that operate in
[00:02:41] Kyiv, and monitor their rates,
[00:02:44] and in the best case, if control is imposed on them,
[00:02:48] then the taxis will simply
[00:02:52] declare an Italian strike, meaning they will not
[00:02:55] work, they will not drive at all. Mr.
[00:02:58] Koretsky, he came from business. Well, he should understand that such
[00:03:01] non-market methods simply do not
[00:03:05] work.
[00:03:08] You see, he came from Naftogaz,
[00:03:11] where there is a huge staff, huge
[00:03:14] money, all his subordinates
[00:03:16] depend on
[00:03:20] his will. Therefore, he believes that he just needs to wave
[00:03:24] his finger and everything will be as he
[00:03:27] said. But well, with taxi drivers, let's
[00:03:30] leave this story, but the idea itself, how to ensure for
[00:03:34] people who do not have the opportunity, do not have, for example, their own
[00:03:37] cars, how to ensure movement for them, when those
[00:03:41] alarms just ended, I understand, this bottleneck appears,
[00:03:44] when everyone literally goes out and goes to some
[00:03:48] tram stops, hypothetically speaking, which resume movement, and here
[00:03:51] it is impossible to get on, it's just impossible to get on. Roman, you
[00:03:55] know, well, maybe I'll say some
[00:03:58] rebellious things. But if
[00:04:01] public transport is allowed to move across bridges,
[00:04:05] there are two critical bridges, this is Podilsko-Voskresensky and
[00:04:09] Southern, if buses and
[00:04:12] cars are allowed to move there,
[00:04:15] then I don't see much sense in not allowing metro
[00:04:19] movement, in the end, the risk will be the same,
[00:04:22] and obviously some measures should
[00:04:26] be taken to generally ensure
[00:04:29] safe movement across
[00:04:32] bridges, maybe the metro line
[00:04:36] should be protected with drone
[00:04:39] nets, or install opaque
[00:04:42] screens over this line, after all, we know that
[00:04:46] the Russians protect
[00:04:49] the Crimean bridge with smoke screens, maybe
[00:04:52] we also need to simply,
[00:04:55] trivially protect, mm-hmm,
[00:04:58] our bridges. with smoke screens,
[00:05:02] so here we need non-standard new
[00:05:06] approaches, but it seems to me that the problem is that
[00:05:09] no one, everyone is afraid to take the initiative, so that later...
[00:05:12] they have to answer for any consequences, that's the impression I have now, but I also wanted
[00:05:16] to ask about something else,
[00:05:18] namely this story with what's it called,
[00:05:21] the University of Intellectual Property, which is connected with
[00:05:25] Mr. Kivalov, by the way, this story today, that
[00:05:28] there
[00:05:30] count, yes Mr. count, yes
[00:05:34] we are known. Well, you see,
[00:05:36] this means that society is not
[00:05:40] ready for new realities. If
[00:05:44] the leadership, seemingly smart people, educated,
[00:05:47] experienced, have, have gone
[00:05:50] through a long life path, if they allow themselves
[00:05:54] such blunders, this means that they simply do not
[00:05:58] realize
[00:06:01] unsafe situations, it simply turns out that no one could,
[00:06:04] no one could say that it is simply dangerous, all this happened during
[00:06:08] an air raid, and this is not a simple air raid, today ballistic missiles
[00:06:12] are flying. Reactive drones, anything
[00:06:14] you want,
[00:06:16] excuse me, but we don't have such a controlling
[00:06:19] body, that's why I talk about
[00:06:22] normative acts, if the Cabinet of Ministers
[00:06:25] had entrusted the same National Police
[00:06:28] with the duty to control public events,
[00:06:32] interrupt, fine, that is, a whole
[00:06:36] normative base is needed here, to
[00:06:39] force people, leaders...
[00:06:43] officials, to act in a certain way, and now, well, they
[00:06:46] gathered, and they bear no responsibility, except
[00:06:50] for real, they don't, we, but that's wrong,
[00:06:54] it seems, it seems yes, after 5 years of war, this time is finally
[00:06:57] coming, to gather such a regulatory framework, thank you for the conversation,
[00:07:01] Oleksandr Serhiienko, was the director of the analytical research center,
[00:07:04] Institute of the City, five people were injured as a result
[00:07:08] of enemy shelling by Russians, three medics were hospitalized,
[00:07:11] the enemy struck a high-rise building in Kyiv, in
[00:07:14] Darnytskyi district, the hit occurred at the level
[00:07:17] of the 11th-12th floors, a fire broke out
[00:07:20] and destruction. All relevant services are working at the site,
[00:07:24] reports Mayor Vitaliy Klitschko. Meanwhile,
[00:07:28] rescuers extinguished all fires that arose due to
[00:07:31] night enemy attacks on Kyiv. As a result
[00:07:34] of the hit in Darnytskyi and Holosiivskyi districts, trucks
[00:07:37] and a garage caught fire, at another location a two-story
[00:07:41] residential building burned, in Solomianskyi
[00:07:44] district, which suffered the most from enemy shelling yesterday,
[00:07:48] our correspondent Maksym Kulyk is currently there.
[00:07:51] Maksym, I greet you, and please tell
[00:07:55] us about the consequences and about how
[00:07:58] the rubble is currently
[00:08:00] being cleared.
[00:08:07] Hello Iryna, hello viewers, we are actually currently
[00:08:10] going to Darnytskyi impact site,
[00:08:13] but for now we are still in Solomianskyi
[00:08:16] district, where yesterday the Russians
[00:08:20] launched a double strike
[00:08:23] with North Korean ballistic
[00:08:26] missiles.
[00:08:29] Now we can hear a comment
[00:08:33] from a resident of the affected
[00:08:34] building,
[00:08:38] there was an arrival, they bombed there, a missile hit, blew out...
[00:09:04] filed a statement, whether there will be or not,
[00:09:08] we have financial assistance, and so, yesterday...
[00:09:12] volunteers came and these same local
[00:09:15] workers cut plywood to board up
[00:09:19] the windows, at least temporarily
[00:09:22] not permanently, but
[00:09:24] that's it.
[00:09:31] A day has passed, the smell of burning is still
[00:09:34] in the air, there are almost no people around,
[00:09:37] and rescuers continue their work,
[00:09:41] communal workers are also working here, they
[00:09:44] are cleaning up glass fragments and other debris
[00:09:48] from the affected building,
[00:09:52] the crater from the rocket damaged the water
[00:09:55] pipes, currently nearby houses do
[00:09:59] not have water supply, also the street
[00:10:02] is
[00:10:04] flooded, also
[00:10:07] a shop located behind me
[00:10:11] and a children's
[00:10:13] playground
[00:10:16] were significantly damaged,
[00:10:18] children's slides
[00:10:21] were damaged, I also want to remind
[00:10:25] you that as a result of yesterday's attack, five
[00:10:28] people died in Kyiv and 23 people
[00:10:31] were injured, so, colleague,
[00:10:34] I pass the floor to you. Thank you, this
[00:10:37] was Maksym Kulyk from Kyiv's Solomianskyi district,
[00:10:41] which suffered the most from enemy shelling yesterday, I only have to add
[00:10:45] about the situation in Kyiv, that the Kyiv
[00:10:49] City Military Administration has just reported that the number
[00:10:52] of injured in Darnytskyi district has increased to six. Kyiv
[00:10:56] proposes once again to transfer frozen Russian assets
[00:10:59] Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Heorhiy Tykhyi stated that
[00:11:02] responsibility for such a decision should be shared by all
[00:11:06] EU countries. According to him, Ukraine understands the arguments
[00:11:09] of Belgium, where most of the frozen
[00:11:12] Russian assets are stored. Therefore, a decision of this magnitude must
[00:11:16] be made collectively. Tykhyi noted that Ukraine has already
[00:11:20] submitted a corresponding proposal to the European side. According to him,
[00:11:24] the funds should be directed to
[00:11:26] defense, supporting resilience and recovery of Ukraine.
[00:11:30] I remind you, in total, in the EU about 210 billion
[00:11:33] euros of Russian
[00:11:35] assets are frozen.
[00:11:39] Ukraine has a concrete proposal already submitted by
[00:11:42] our Ministry of Finance to the European side on how
[00:11:46] to find a mechanism
[00:11:49] at the European level, at the pan-European level,
[00:11:53] which, to which these funds can be transferred
[00:11:57] for management, and then actually the decision on their
[00:12:00] use, and we believe that they will be used for
[00:12:04] defense needs, resilience and recovery
[00:12:07] of Ukraine. This decision will be made collectively,
[00:12:10] with shared responsibility of all governments
[00:14:54] now... in the capital just a few minutes ago, the enemy attacked
[00:14:58] Dniprovskyi and Obolonskyi districts of Kyiv, there were preliminary
[00:15:01] hits in these districts, namely at a gas station.
[00:15:05] There is no information about casualties yet, and I
[00:15:08] want to remind you that the enemy attacked a residential building in Dniprovskyi
[00:15:12] district at night. This was reported by the State Emergency Service.
[00:15:15] At the impact site, the facade of the building from the first to
[00:15:19] the fifth floor was on fire, as well as an apartment on the second floor. And
[00:15:22] now our correspondent Maksym Kulyk is working at the site of the Russian strike.
[00:15:26] And Maksym, I greet
[00:15:29] you, please tell me, I just said that
[00:15:33] literally a few minutes ago
[00:15:36] explosions were heard again in Kyiv and an air
[00:15:40] alert is currently in effect, what is known as of this
[00:15:43] minute, did you hear these explosions, or are you far
[00:15:47] from the impact
[00:15:48] sites?
[00:15:54] Hello Iryna, hello viewers, at the moment we are in
[00:15:58] a shelter, we were previously working near
[00:16:01] the building that was hit by a drone,
[00:16:04] at the moment, while we were working there, we...
[00:16:08] heard an explosion, as the police later
[00:16:11] informed us, the hit was at a
[00:16:14] gas station in Kyrnavta,
[00:16:17] so, I remind Kyiv residents to обязательно during air
[00:16:21] raids to go down to shelters, regarding the hit on
[00:16:25] the building, it is known
[00:16:27] that
[00:16:29] the drone fell near the building, which caused a large
[00:16:33] fire, the fire engulfed from the second to
[00:16:36] the sixth floor. Rescuers
[00:16:40] evacuated people, it is known about
[00:16:42] seven people who were in a blocked or smoke-filled
[00:16:46] room, also this fire was quickly
[00:16:50] extinguished, now communal workers are cleaning
[00:16:53] the area, and humanitarian and
[00:16:57] psychological assistance is being provided to the victims,
[00:17:00] the victims are still recovering, some
[00:17:03] victims have already been given permission to go to their
[00:17:06] apartments. in which apartments it is safe to be, so that they can
[00:17:10] pick up their personal belongings and documents.
[00:17:13] Also, according to
[00:17:15] the police,
[00:17:18] the drone was manufactured on 27.08, this is
[00:17:22] evidenced by a drone fragment on which the date
[00:17:25] was indicated. The number of people who were
[00:17:27] injured, it is known that these are
[00:17:31] eight people, according to the police,
[00:17:34] a 64-year-old man and a 57-year-old
[00:17:37] woman suffered burns to their bodies and
[00:17:41] a 23- 23-year-old
[00:17:44] woman suffered a shrapnel wound,
[00:17:48] so they were hospitalized, another five citizens
[00:17:51] received medical assistance on the spot, so we will continue
[00:17:55] to work on the spot,
[00:17:57] update the information, so I pass the floor
[00:18:00] to you, thank you, thank you Maksym,
[00:18:04] take care of yourself and the film crew and stay in a safe
[00:18:07] place in the shelter for now, I only have to add, this was our
[00:18:10] correspondent Maksym Kulyk from
[00:18:13] the capital. Polish Foreign Minister Radosław
[00:18:17] Sikorski spoke about the results of his visit to Kyiv. He
[00:18:20] met with representatives of the President's Office, anti-corruption
[00:18:23] bodies, veterans, youth and Ukrainian media. According
[00:18:27] to him, after returning to Poland, he will provide the government
[00:18:31] with the latest information about the situation in Ukraine. The Polish
[00:18:35] minister also confirmed that the conversation
[00:18:38] with the negotiators, both with the American and
[00:18:42] Russian sides, he did not disclose details, but noted that
[00:18:45] he now better understands the state of the negotiation process, and
[00:18:49] assured that Poland will continue to help
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[00:22:30] left Kherson region after seven months of occupation, where he
[00:22:34] lost his father, and later found a new home in a shelter
[00:22:38] in Odesa region. Now he takes care of the elderly, mostly
[00:22:42] bedridden patients, and also performs administrative
[00:22:45] work. His adult children abroad call him to them, but
[00:22:49] to work in Ukraine, because, he says, there is no one
[00:22:52] to leave his wards to. Why he made such a choice for himself,
[00:22:56] we are talking about today in the program. Pavlo Yuriev, originally from
[00:22:59] Kherson region, by education he is a medic and worked for 17 years in
[00:23:03] his profession at a psycho-neurological dispensary as an orderly. When
[00:23:07] the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine began, the man remained in
[00:23:11] his native land, he lived for eight months under occupation. Well,
[00:23:14] people disappeared there, the body of some man was
[00:23:17] floating there, that was still during the occupation.
[00:23:20] We were also afraid to go to the shore for a long time, because
[00:23:23] there, well, it was mined there,
[00:23:27] communication towers were blown up, power lines,
[00:23:31] and because of that, we had no water supply,
[00:23:34] we collected rainwater, this was already
[00:23:36] already, well, as we were in the zone of hostilities,
[00:23:40] the man waited for the liberation of Kherson, but later was
[00:23:43] forced to leave his native home, because after the occupation, Russian
[00:23:47] troops began to shell the city very heavily, he was reluctant
[00:23:51] for a long time, but when his father died, he decided to leave from under the shelling, he found
[00:23:54] shelter in Odesa region, for some time he lived there in a building, and
[00:23:58] later became an employee. I monitor
[00:24:01] the health of elderly
[00:24:03] people,
[00:24:07] firstly,
[00:24:10] well, and I help, we are very
[00:24:13] grateful
[00:24:16] for generally for the fact that Father Andriy, he was looking for this
[00:24:19] place. he was looking for a safe place where he could
[00:24:22] uh, well, do something similar,
[00:24:26] now there is no one to replace me
[00:24:28] simply,
[00:24:30] before there was one woman here, but she left. Now Pavlo Yuriev
[00:24:34] has the opportunity to go abroad, because his children are there
[00:24:38] and call him to them, but he doesn't go, he says he can't
[00:24:41] leave the shelter, because people count on him? I am
[00:24:45] an optimist, it can always be worse,
[00:24:49] firstly. we are alive, we are relatively
[00:24:52] healthy, we are not hungry,
[00:24:56] we are not starving, now, thank God, there is light and water,
[00:24:59] what else does a person need, I cannot leave these people,
[00:25:03] for now, Mr. Pavlo,
[00:25:06] I greet you, thank you for joining our conversation,
[00:25:10] and you know, you were at the shelter, as we learned from
[00:25:13] the news report, and please tell me, when you
[00:25:17] were returning, when you were fleeing Kherson region
[00:25:20] from occupation, how much was it a support and it was
[00:25:23] a help for you to find this housing, to have a roof over
[00:25:27] your head?
[00:25:31] after we came here,
[00:25:35] I would compare it to heaven and earth,
[00:25:39] literally, there are constant shellings,
[00:25:42] well, when there is
[00:25:45] a lull, you need to go somewhere,
[00:25:48] run. charge gadgets, whoever
[00:25:52] starts a generator, well, that was then, now
[00:25:55] there is no one left in the village, when we arrived
[00:25:58] here, we got used to the quiet at first,
[00:26:01] to the quiet. well, to
[00:26:03] safety,
[00:26:06] well, and we were surprised, indeed
[00:26:09] it was, well, like in a hotel such,
[00:26:12] rooms, well, except for many places, you
[00:26:15] compare, you came to Odesa region and it was like heaven and
[00:26:19] earth, how much generally
[00:26:23] when you left Kherson region, what were
[00:26:26] your thoughts, where were you going, were you going into the unknown, or did you know that
[00:26:29] people there could help, what was this path for you? to this
[00:26:33] shelter,
[00:26:35] well, my daughter
[00:26:38] sent me phone numbers to
[00:26:41] contact, well, when she found out
[00:26:44] that we had buried our father,
[00:26:47] and one of
[00:26:51] the numbers was Caritas,
[00:26:53] Odesa, well,
[00:26:56] and,
[00:26:58] they guided us, explained how to get there, well...
[00:27:02] well, we got to Odesa, and then they guided us, and
[00:27:06] they met us in a neighboring village nearby and
[00:27:10] brought us to the shelter, there we didn't know if we would live until
[00:27:14] morning there,
[00:27:18] so here we really liked
[00:27:22] all the conditions, as I said,
[00:27:25] well, because we had no light or
[00:27:29] water there, our village was located opposite...
[00:27:35] it's right on the shore
[00:27:37] Dnipro,
[00:27:39] well, many people heard about Krynky, probably, well,
[00:27:43] and from that side, we were visible as in
[00:27:46] the palm of a hand.
[00:27:50] My father was immobile, well,
[00:27:53] and when we buried him, then
[00:27:56] after 10 days we were already in a shelter. How did you
[00:28:00] get from Kherson region to Odesa region? Were you
[00:28:03] under shelling, how difficult was this journey to get to this
[00:28:06] shelter? I understand that you already knew where to go, but still
[00:28:10] you had to get out of this shelling from the region,
[00:28:13] practically from the zone of hostilities. At
[00:28:17] that time, we still had shuttle buses going to
[00:28:20] Kherson,
[00:28:22] so we went to Kherson, then
[00:28:26] we took an Odesa
[00:28:29] shuttle bus, and that's how we arrived.
[00:28:32] And already, well, as I said, we were
[00:28:36] already being guided, then
[00:28:39] they told us where exactly to sit, on which
[00:28:43] transport.
[00:28:48] So help was available from
[00:28:49] the very beginning.
[00:28:52] Mr. Pavlo, you lived in a shelter for a certain period,
[00:28:55] and then you decided to stay there, but already to work, not
[00:28:59] just live, but also work, help elderly
[00:29:03] people who are there on site. Your children are
[00:29:06] abroad, you could,
[00:29:09] as a pensioner, leave the country and go to them and
[00:29:13] live your
[00:29:16] better life without worries, and next to your children. But you
[00:29:19] chose a different path, you chose to stay in
[00:29:22] Ukraine and be and work for
[00:29:26] the benefit of the country, help elderly people who simply have nowhere to
[00:29:30] live now. Why did you choose this
[00:29:32] path?
[00:29:36] At first, Father Andriy offered
[00:29:39] a job,
[00:29:42] well, and I already had
[00:29:45] a blood pressure monitor with me,
[00:29:48] собою,
[00:29:51] well, grandmothers, as usual, their health is already not
[00:29:55] very good, just like
[00:29:57] grandfathers. Well, that's how it started, Father
[00:30:01] offered a job as a social
[00:30:04] worker.
[00:30:08] And people started, they
[00:30:12] constantly turned to me,
[00:30:15] some have phones, the same, well, not only
[00:30:19] button phones, smartphones, but they don't really
[00:30:22] understand them.
[00:30:25] Well, and help, well, as if
[00:30:29] case management in everything.
[00:30:34] You have to,
[00:30:37] monitoring of health condition, morning
[00:30:40] and evening, there measuring blood pressure,
[00:30:44] saturation, that kind of thing,
[00:30:47] monitoring when to call
[00:30:49] an ambulance, well, prescriptions,
[00:30:53] some people cannot take them themselves, you need to
[00:30:57] control those that doctors prescribe.