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[00:00:00] millions at most, if it works at
[00:00:02] maximum, but again, it doesn't matter
[00:00:06] why? Because in reality,
[00:00:10] the price of diesel does not depend on its quantity. In the world,
[00:00:13] there is no shortage of diesel and no
[00:00:16] shortage of gasoline. In the world, there is a high price for
[00:00:19] oil, and Trump says that
[00:00:23] the Strait of Hormuz is unblocked and so much
[00:00:26] oil passes through it as before the war, and
[00:00:29] why? Is this oil like that, uh-huh, because it is
[00:00:33] unblocked, so to speak, by force. Iran
[00:00:37] still controls it, and thus
[00:00:40] transportation costs increase,
[00:00:42] перевезення,
[00:00:44] and what if you are bombed? Insurance premium, price,
[00:00:48] ships, all of this is expensive, uh-huh, and
[00:00:51] thus oil is at such a price, which is related to
[00:00:55] security issues,
[00:00:57] meaning that the price of diesel is high. What
[00:01:00] can you do?
[00:01:02] Uh-huh, why is Trump doing this? Well, I mean, I say again, I think
[00:01:06] that he, that Putin wanted conditions to be created for him in
[00:01:09] the future,
[00:01:12] well, and at the same time, Trump may think that he is supporting his position
[00:01:16] before the midterm elections. He will say: "See, I have already agreed on this,
[00:01:19] the Romanian Strait is open, open, open,
[00:01:22] oil is flowing through it, Russia will supply additional
[00:01:25] volumes of diesel to the world market, that's it..."
[00:02:09] can put pressure on Ukraine,
[00:02:13] threaten us, by canceling the exchange
[00:02:17] of intelligence data, do something like that, but
[00:02:20] the question arises, to what extent will he be ready to do it, again,
[00:02:24] before the midterm elections, they will start telling him, as Senator
[00:02:27] Blumenthal, the author of this law, has already started.
[00:02:38] By October 28, the Graham law must come into force, and instead of
[00:02:42] imposing hellish sanctions, you, on the contrary, allow
[00:02:45] Russia to sell diesel, you free it from sanctions, let it be for
[00:02:49] a small amount, but why are you doing this? Well,
[00:02:52] if you also deprive Ukraine of intelligence information, then this
[00:02:56] will generally look illogical, you see, it's a swing to some extent.
[00:03:00] And therefore Trump reacts very cautiously, he did not attack Zelensky when he
[00:03:04] was told that Zelensky said it was a weak decision, he didn't even
[00:03:06] react, because he understands that if he starts
[00:03:10] reacting and screaming about Zelensky, it will diminish
[00:03:13] his electoral situation. Trump, in fact,
[00:03:16] to be absolutely realistic,
[00:03:19] is in despair, uh-huh, well, he is a smart
[00:03:23] person, no matter how much he tried to make it look like he was
[00:03:27] not of sound mind, and he succeeds, but... when it comes
[00:03:30] to his own interests, he is an absolutely smart person even from an intuitive
[00:03:34] point of view. Here they bring him
[00:03:36] sociology,
[00:03:38] Republicans predictably lose the House of Representatives, no one even
[00:03:42] talks about it, but the Senate,
[00:03:45] we need to fight for the Senate. What do you think Trump thinks when
[00:03:49] he sees that in Texas, which is always an electoral
[00:03:53] citadel of Republicans,
[00:03:56] the Democratic candidate is ahead.
[00:04:00] the Republican candidate in sociological polls so much that he has no
[00:04:03] chance to catch up a month before the elections,
[00:04:05] uh-huh,
[00:04:08] of course, you can say, well, so what, well, the Democrats will have a majority in
[00:04:11] the Senate too, well, they will block some decision of the administration, well,
[00:04:15] they won't impeach Trump, or will they? Well, the
[00:04:18] Senate won't impeach him, because there are no
[00:04:21] 2/3,
[00:04:24] but I want to ask, when was the last
[00:04:27] famous story with Nixon, uh-huh. with
[00:04:30] impeachment, did the Republican Democrats have
[00:04:33] 2/3 of the votes in the Senate? And there was no legal
[00:04:37] impeachment, as far as I remember, because he resigned, and
[00:04:40] why did he resign? Because he didn't understand that he would lose the Senate,
[00:04:43] and why did he decide that he would lose the Senate? Because his personal
[00:04:47] situation was so difficult that he realized that a part of the
[00:04:50] Republicans would not support him, and that is a disgrace. And
[00:04:54] Nixon was no less
[00:04:56] authoritative
[00:04:59] leader for the Republican party than Trump is today. It
[00:05:02] seems to us that such a thing has never happened, but Nixon was exactly such a person,
[00:05:06] and he was the one who also tried to solve very difficult problems in
[00:05:09] foreign policy, probably not as much as Trump? Well, how to
[00:05:13] say, there was a lot of everything, a lot of strange things, but in
[00:05:17] any case, the person was vice president for two terms
[00:05:20] and two terms, this was the second term, he won the second
[00:05:24] election
[00:05:27] as president of the United States of America, and he resigns, why?
[00:05:30] Because Watergate itself,
[00:05:34] these are such events that Republicans cannot ignore,
[00:05:37] because they thought about the survival of their own
[00:05:41] party, and they, by the way, did everything right, because in principle
[00:05:44] their candidate for president of the United
[00:05:47] States, Gerald Ford, uh-huh, only
[00:05:51] slightly lost to the Democratic candidate, they could even win the presidential
[00:05:55] elections after all that horror,
[00:05:57] they didn't sink the party, eventually
[00:06:01] they won them after Carter and already
[00:06:04] controlled the White House for 12 years after that, this was
[00:06:08] the entire Reagan era, which continued into the era of George Bush
[00:06:11] Sr. After such a terrible defeat,
[00:06:15] they only lost the White House for four years, so the current
[00:06:19] Republicans can also think, listen, we need to somehow
[00:06:22] get rid of Trump if there is some resonant
[00:06:25] information and save the party. We don't
[00:06:29] know what the Democrats' commission can find
[00:06:32] if it appears in the House of Representatives, but Trump
[00:06:35] knows, he knows perfectly well what can be
[00:06:39] dug up on him. He may think that it's something that he... simply won't
[00:06:42] survive, uh-huh, and therefore he needs a majority, at least in
[00:06:46] the Senate, and he
[00:06:57] shares, uh-huh, we now understand that both Vidhav and Kushner
[00:07:01] went to Moscow exclusively to discuss Lukoil
[00:07:04] shares, that no way, these were not peace
[00:07:07] talks. I continue to insist that Russia will not enter into any
[00:07:11] peace talks until we leave the territory of the Donetsk region. This, by
[00:07:15] the way, is what Rubio says. He said this in an interview with Kathimerini this
[00:07:18] week. The negotiations have reached a dead end because Russia wants
[00:07:22] Donbas, and Ukraine does not want to leave Donbas. We must clearly understand
[00:07:25] this formula until the moment when the armed forces
[00:07:29] of Ukraine do not leave the entire territory of Donetsk,
[00:07:32] Luhansk regions. The impossibility of starting
[00:07:36] any negotiation process, period. Does this mean
[00:07:39] that at the moment if it happened. that we would lose
[00:07:43] Donbas permanently, a peace process would begin. Negotiations could
[00:07:46] have started, they could have just put forward new conditions for us in these negotiations,
[00:07:50] to leave the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions now. This is not about peace. I
[00:07:54] want to emphasize once again, not about peace, but about
[00:07:57] the beginning of negotiations about the possible end of the war.
[00:08:01] That is, only after the complete withdrawal of Ukrainian
[00:08:05] troops from the territory of Donetsk and Luhansk
[00:08:08] regions, Russia agrees to start
[00:08:11] putting forward conditions... And before that, it doesn't even
[00:08:15] want to put forward conditions. Well, that's the reality,
[00:08:18] and now the question arises, why did
[00:08:21] Koshno go to Moscow if they know about this reality, Rubiya knows about it,
[00:08:25] openly talks about it. Rubiya essentially signals other
[00:08:27] things,
[00:08:30] and that's because they want to buy shares, just a stupid
[00:08:33] personal interest, so a stupid personal interest. Well, not
[00:08:37] themselves, but through for people close to them. They went to Kyiv
[00:08:41] to secure... they were then forced to go to Kyiv. If
[00:08:44] they had gone to Moscow and not gone to Kyiv, then the question would have arisen, why
[00:08:48] did they go at all? They went to Moscow, achieved nothing there, why did
[00:08:52] they go? Trump had already promised that they would go if there was any breakthrough,
[00:08:55] and if you go to Moscow, here
[00:08:58] Zelensky says that our delegation in Miami was used as
[00:09:02] a smokescreen. No, he himself was used as a smokescreen when he met
[00:09:06] with Vikhoshner, he was that smokescreen that
[00:09:09] essentially secured
[00:09:12] negotiations for
[00:09:29] saying, we want, we took Venezuelan oil,
[00:09:32] the winner takes all. He said that today in
[00:09:35] Syracuse, I think, well, we
[00:09:38] will take Iranian oil, what is he talking about at all? Is he talking about...
[00:09:49] I'm talking, for example, about the fact that I recently had a fragment of Ronald Reagan's speech slipped to me, and you're talking about
[00:09:52] how in Texas they might lose elections for the first time. We always imagine
[00:09:56] Texas as the spirit, the spirit of
[00:10:00] America, it's country, it's cowboys and so on, bluegrass
[00:10:04] or something, and here, and here we remember that
[00:10:07] Reagan was actually an actor who played in Westerns, he was
[00:10:11] actually an iconic cowboy
[00:10:15] although he himself, this is an important point, so he was an ideal cowboy, actually,
[00:10:18] but this fragment, he says that I don't believe that I won
[00:10:22] and that I became president as a result of the elections. I
[00:10:26] received the right, not the right, but the duty, to
[00:10:29] temporarily receive
[00:10:32] the presidency. I am not a president, I am a person who performs
[00:10:36] the role of the presidency as an institution, and
[00:10:39] it seems to me that Trump and the people around him
[00:10:43] have moved as far as possible from this ideal of Republicans, because
[00:10:46] perhaps now the Democratic candidate in Texas
[00:10:49] will be a hundred times more of a cowboy, figuratively speaking, for the voter,
[00:10:53] even a Republican one.
[00:10:55] Well, Ronald Reagan was actually a professional politician and
[00:10:58] activist. He is perceived as an actor who became
[00:11:01] president, this is a favorite cliché, and therefore they always say, "Oh,
[00:11:05] you see, Reagan is an actor, and Zelensky is an actor, actors rule the world, tra-ta." But
[00:11:09] Reagan was not an actor at all, well, that is, he was an actor for some part of his life, but
[00:11:12] he became involved in activism back during his acting career, headed
[00:11:16] a trade union organization, went into
[00:11:18] politics,
[00:11:21] he was governor of California
[00:11:25] for two terms. California is a state, in essence, which, if it were
[00:11:28] independent, it would be among the five
[00:11:32] largest economies in the world, if not the top seven. In terms of
[00:11:35] its level of economic development.
[00:11:38] A serious potential, one of the most serious in
[00:11:42] the world, a person manages this. By the way, there was another actor, Schwarzenegger,
[00:11:45] who managed exactly such a country and such
[00:11:48] a state, well, it's just, it's absolutely
[00:11:51] clear. And then he was an activist of the Republican Party.
[00:11:57] with Gerald Ford for the presidency,
[00:12:00] defeated Jimmy Carter, made statements
[00:12:04] of
[00:12:07] a valuable nature, here, by the way,
[00:12:11] when Carter, it was Carter, uh-huh,
[00:12:14] who established diplomatic relations with the Chinese
[00:12:18] People's
[00:12:19] Republic,
[00:12:23] and broke them with Taiwan. Then Reagan said that it was
[00:12:27] a betrayal, and immediately planned his visit to
[00:12:29] Taiwan, and everything started from that, well,
[00:12:33] actually, well, that is, actually, we are talking about a person who
[00:12:36] was absolutely devoted to valuable things,
[00:12:40] this moment, yes, this moment, and Trump is devoted to money,
[00:12:43] money. By the way, you probably saw this
[00:12:46] interview with Tucker Carlson and the former
[00:12:50] British Minister of Economy, I think, well, actually trade and
[00:12:53] development and... and there is a fantastic moment
[00:12:57] when Tucker asks this Briton, for those who haven't
[00:13:00] seen it, why does Britain help
[00:13:03] Ukraine at all, what's it to you, after all, does
[00:13:07] Russia threaten you? And he begins to gradually explain to him, you understand, that eventually
[00:13:11] China will attack Taiwan and what will you do? And so he is
[00:13:14] confused, but before that he says, because this is,
[00:13:18] this is, this is, and ultimately, this is our moral duty.
[00:13:21] It seems to me that Tucker's eyes are square at that moment. So he
[00:13:25] doesn't understand at all what moral
[00:13:28] duty is, because Tucker
[00:13:30] Carlson is an opportunist
[00:13:33] who generally lives in a completely different world of ideas about what is good and what is
[00:13:37] evil. Well, and then he is not very educated, not very smart, as you noticed,
[00:13:40] although he had the image of such an intellectual at one time, that is, he
[00:13:44] had the image, but not the knowledge,
[00:13:47] this is an important point, he is such, you know, an intellectual on
[00:13:51] the minimal for people who watch, watched a certain segment.
[00:13:56] Fox News, even, even Fox is now a completely different channel without Tucker Carlson, without these people, as you
[00:14:00] can see,
[00:14:01] but this is a huge
[00:14:05] problem, and the question is not even that we, we ask,
[00:14:09] how should
[00:14:12] we react, and how should
[00:14:15] President Zelensky react, maybe he shouldn't express himself so
[00:14:18] harshly, maybe that's not the point, the point is
[00:14:22] that we see that Trump has an absolutely consistent
[00:14:25] worldview. You can't deceive yourself, you understand, Ukrainians are constantly
[00:14:29] engaged in self-deception,
[00:14:31] then we deceive ourselves, and say that we can simply hold
[00:14:35] negotiations with Russia, and everyone starts shouting, we want
[00:14:39] peace, peace, negotiations, but there are no chances for negotiations, why
[00:14:42] are you deceiving yourselves, why do you live in this fictional
[00:14:45] world? And the same thing begins when we talk about
[00:14:49] Trump, well, Trump sees a world in which there is
[00:14:53] a place for three leaders. The President of the United States,
[00:14:56] the President of the Russian Federation, the Chairman of the Chinese
[00:15:00] People's Republic, everything that does not fit into
[00:15:03] this worldview interferes, it must be
[00:15:07] cut off, it's like Procrustean's
[00:15:10] bed, that's why Europe
[00:15:14] bothers him so much, that's why he
[00:15:17] wanted to destroy the European
[00:15:20] Union so much, he actually always supported
[00:15:24] any... forces that wanted to leave the European Union,
[00:15:28] he was a real supporter of Brexit, because and by the way, the British succumbed to
[00:15:32] this, and now what happened is that he doesn't need them, because they
[00:15:35] still don't...
[00:15:43] the same applies to
[00:15:45] Taiwan.
[00:15:48] The United States, since the resumption of diplomatic relations with Beijing,
[00:15:52] has always adhered to a policy of supporting Taiwan. Trump does not understand
[00:15:55] why it should be supported and generally, why it produces so many chips, what is that
[00:15:59] anyway? He perceives it as just some
[00:16:03] ordinary stall in the market, while
[00:16:06] he owns a supermarket. Here are three
[00:16:09] large supermarkets, let's close all these
[00:16:12] small shops. In what way is Trump wrong in this sense,
[00:16:16] if we are really experiencing a time of absolute
[00:16:19] change of doctrine? We, we, we are moving away from
[00:16:22] a bipolar or unipolar world. Perhaps this logic makes sense, in
[00:16:26] what is Trump
[00:16:29] wrong? In that neither he nor President Putin
[00:16:32] were able to achieve that they can solve their
[00:16:36] problems by force. Trump hopelessly
[00:16:39] stuck, got stuck in the Middle East,
[00:16:43] and in fact Iran is preparing a political
[00:16:45] grave for him, and new military-technical
[00:16:48] capabilities, they only strengthen and should have
[00:16:51] strengthened, if they had sense in their heads, a feeling of
[00:16:54] danger
[00:16:56] for the United States of America, because if they shot down ordinary
[00:17:00] unfortunate Shaheds and ballistic missiles with Patriots, what will they
[00:17:04] do with reactive Shaheds when they fly in swarms
[00:17:07] to Tel Aviv, to Haifa, to Abu Dhabi, to Dubai, what will they
[00:17:10] do? How many of these Patriots will they have left
[00:17:14] only in pictures?
[00:17:18] And Russia is hopelessly stuck in the post-Soviet space in
[00:17:21] Ukraine. For chaos to intensify, all that is needed is for
[00:17:25] China to fall into this trap. I am impatiently waiting
[00:17:27] for Xi Jinping to make this mistake.
[00:17:31] It seems to me that as the general secretary of the Communist Party, he should have
[00:17:35] eventually
[00:17:37] made this mistake, but he doesn't and doesn't, perhaps because Trump and Putin taught him
[00:17:41] how not to jump straight into
[00:17:44] the ice hole without any thought of
[00:20:50] Uh-uh, regarding in such a case,
[00:20:53] what
[00:20:57] we are waiting for, we will talk about now, we have
[00:21:00] ahead of us
[00:21:04] interesting, interesting, very interesting, very interesting polls in Ukraine, that is,
[00:21:07] how we are preparing for peace, whether we believe in it, but this is after
[00:21:11] a short
[00:21:11] break.
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[00:27:00] Focus Evening Every day on weekdays on Espresso.
[00:27:45] we are returning, and
[00:27:48] we said in the first part that we somehow need to live to
[00:27:52] see a change of power in Washington and in Moscow,
[00:27:55] regarding Washington, everything is more or less clear, regarding
[00:27:59] Moscow, well... this week
[00:28:03] Vladimir Putin turned 74, many
[00:28:06] probably noticed that Joseph
[00:28:09] Stalin lived exactly that long, another tyrant,
[00:28:13] whom Putin himself probably largely
[00:28:16] imitates,
[00:28:19] and in six months, in March, Stalin seems to have died, and
[00:28:22] if Putin
[00:28:24] were to imitate him to the end, he would also have to
[00:28:28] die, but statistics here play against us, we know
[00:28:32] that... if a person in principle leads a more or less
[00:28:36] healthy lifestyle, this is the statistics of all pension funds
[00:28:39] in the world, then usually, after
[00:28:42] 65, if they have lived that long, they live for another 15-20 years for sure,
[00:28:46] I think that Putin also has big plans for
[00:28:48] the future, and well, this is
[00:28:52] some sad story, that is, how to outlive Putin, we will
[00:28:56] somehow outlive Trumps, I think. Well, first, I
[00:28:59] believe that the question is not only
[00:29:02] about Putin, the question is about the Chekist
[00:29:06] regime, the question is about
[00:29:10] the very perception
[00:29:13] of Russia, by Russian
[00:29:16] chauvinists, as an empire with alienated
[00:29:19] lands,
[00:29:22] and this perception appeared not under Putin,
[00:29:25] it appeared in 1991,
[00:29:28] if to be exact.
[00:29:33] August 24,
[00:29:34] 1994, when the press secretary
[00:29:38] of the President of the Russian Federation, Vaschan, made a
[00:29:42] statement on behalf of the President of the Russian Federation, Boris Yeltsin, which
[00:29:45] stated that the Russian Federation has no
[00:29:48] territorial claims
[00:29:51] to the former Soviet republics
[00:29:53] until the moment, if there, this is not an exact quote,
[00:29:56] but it is close to the meaning, as long as they are in an alliance with
[00:30:00] it.
[00:30:03] Uh-huh, and if they refuse this alliance, it
[00:30:06] reserves the right to such
[00:30:08] claims,
[00:30:11] that is, it was immediately said that the former Soviet republics
[00:30:14] are on some foreign territories,
[00:30:17] Russian ones, and that their territories are such generous
[00:30:21] gifts from Russia, which it is ready not to take back, if they
[00:30:24] are all under it along with it, in
[00:30:27] allied relations, uh-huh, so the West missed this
[00:30:31] statement. Because at that time it didn't seem very important, well, we tried
[00:30:35] to react to it somehow, but no one
[00:30:38] disavowed it, well, and then the most important thing was something else,
[00:30:42] everyone thought that we would always be in allied relations, where else would they
[00:30:45] go, do not forget that in August
[00:30:47] 1991, work was still ongoing on the union treaty,
[00:30:51] many people even thought that Ukraine would sign it,
[00:30:55] and in the world, little was known about Ukraine, Chornobyl there,
[00:30:58] and then...