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[00:07:42] this information, before paying attention to
[00:07:46] the capital, I drew attention to the fact that 15 minutes
[00:07:50] before the start of our program, an air raid alert was announced again
[00:07:53] in Kyiv. Dear friends, until 7:00 p.m., we will work in
[00:07:57] this studio and tell you everything that
[00:08:00] happened the day before, we will start our broadcast,
[00:08:04] of course, from Kyiv, you open
[00:08:08] the news feed and it's scary to read it, because the Russians have chosen
[00:08:12] such... the main target, it seems,
[00:08:14] the capital and now they are hitting it like some kind of boxing
[00:08:18] pear, several
[00:08:21] districts were damaged again, the Russians have even reached the point where
[00:08:24] they are attacking restaurants, there are injured
[00:08:27] people, our journalist Natalia Starepravo is currently working in
[00:08:30] the capital, she is in touch with us, we will ask her
[00:08:34] in more detail. Natalia, greetings, tell us, where are you now and what is
[00:08:38] happening there?
[00:08:41] Greetings, Lesia, greetings. Roma, greetings to our viewers, right now
[00:08:44] I am in Obolonsky district, near
[00:08:47] the embankment, right next to the place where Russian
[00:08:51] shells hit. According to
[00:08:54] preliminary information, the hit occurred at a boat
[00:08:57] station, right near the embankment and right near the place
[00:09:00] of the restaurant, about which it was previously said that a hit
[00:09:04] could have occurred there. We see that the place is now cordoned off,
[00:09:08] fire trucks, police,
[00:09:11] operational-investigative services worked there, these cars
[00:09:14] have already left, they also seized explosive
[00:09:18] objects and fragments of enemy
[00:09:22] shells that hit this
[00:09:25] place. Preliminarily, six injured people are known,
[00:09:28] five were hospitalized, one was given
[00:09:32] assistance on the spot. Relatives of those who suffered from
[00:09:35] the attack are also currently at the scene,
[00:09:39] trying to find out any news about what could have happened here.
[00:09:43] It is also known preliminarily that there was
[00:09:46] a fire in wooden structures,
[00:09:49] cars, quite a large area, currently
[00:09:52] all the circumstances of the attack are being clarified. I will add that
[00:09:56] it was around noon that the air raid alert sounded about
[00:09:59] the threat of missiles that
[00:10:03] were heading towards Kyiv, in particular I heard at least two
[00:10:06] explosions, quite loud, because I live nearby,
[00:10:10] and later locals began to... report that
[00:10:13] smoke was rising and at another address, also
[00:10:16] near the Obolon embankment, in some
[00:10:19] high-rise buildings, windows were broken, but
[00:10:22] currently there is no information about victims,
[00:10:26] colleagues, over to you. Natalia, also tell us,
[00:10:29] because there was information that after certain hits on
[00:10:32] Kyiv's distribution energy facilities, part of
[00:10:36] Kyiv residents were left without electricity,
[00:10:39] is there electricity in the city, is
[00:10:42] the metro working?
[00:10:45] Currently, there is information that the metro has resumed
[00:10:49] its movement, but it is indeed confirmed that in some districts there was a power outage,
[00:10:53] personally I did not lose power, but there were interruptions with
[00:10:56] water, in particular the right bank
[00:10:59] especially feels interruptions with
[00:11:03] water supply, this is
[00:11:05] especially noticeable here, where so many people also complained
[00:11:09] about power outages,
[00:11:12] it disappears quite
[00:11:15] unpredictably, because for example, if DTEK or other
[00:11:18] services do not see an accident, the light can disappear
[00:11:22] and reappear several times a day. And in
[00:11:26] Obolonsky district, the situation is particularly difficult, because
[00:11:29] many high-rise buildings have been without
[00:11:32] electricity for more than 12 hours, and no service can explain
[00:11:36] what's wrong, even people are waiting for at least some answer
[00:11:40] from the city or utility services, what's wrong, but they still
[00:11:44] remain without any information.
[00:11:47] Natalia, recently the mayor of Kyiv
[00:11:50] said that it will be even more difficult, so people
[00:11:54] should leave. You, as a journalist who
[00:11:57] is in the capital, who goes to all these places
[00:12:00] of arrivals, who communicates with people, and who meanwhile, between all this,
[00:12:04] between fulfilling her journalistic duty,
[00:12:07] also tries to live, you can
[00:12:10] compare different periods that Kyiv has gone through,
[00:12:13] now by feeling, how the city functions and whether
[00:12:17] Kyiv residents or those people who found shelter in Kyiv, who, for example, are leaving
[00:12:21] the eastern regions, are
[00:12:24] they listening and will they
[00:12:27] go further, what are the conversations, what are people talking about
[00:12:30] among themselves? Well, I will say here that
[00:12:34] a large number of Kyiv residents, those who were able, left the city
[00:12:38] at the end of August after the start of such
[00:12:41] massive attacks on the country's capital, now whoever could, stayed, so for many it is also a problem
[00:12:44] to leave, either there is nowhere to go, or there are no funds, or
[00:12:48] work or other family circumstances keep them... in place,
[00:12:52] in particular, like me, who for one reason or another
[00:12:55] remains in Kyiv, despite the fact that we
[00:12:59] heard long ago that the
[00:13:02] city is allegedly
[00:13:06] ready, protective structures
[00:13:08] have been built around
[00:13:11] substations, stations, but we see
[00:13:14] the reality that in October, even when
[00:13:18] there are no cold weather,
[00:13:20] and for Kyiv this is actually such
[00:13:23] an energy... shock, because people don't understand what
[00:13:27] happened, because suddenly the supply of
[00:13:30] light, water, and even public transport
[00:13:34] stops running, for people this is a big problem, how
[00:13:38] to get from the right to the left bank.
[00:13:41] It is likely that someone else will decide to leave Kyiv,
[00:13:44] because it is not yet winter, this is now a period
[00:13:48] of warm autumn, and what awaits us until winter
[00:13:51] and the winter period itself...
[00:13:55] It is really difficult to guess and imagine what
[00:13:58] the situation will be, despite the fact that the city also says that
[00:14:02] the city authorities say that there will be heat supply
[00:14:06] in the houses, but what the reality will be, we
[00:14:09] will be able to see it already in winter, or when the
[00:14:13] heating season begins. Thank you, Natalia, and
[00:14:16] thank you for doing what you do
[00:14:20] in such difficult conditions, that is, informing
[00:14:24] people about the situation in Kyiv. Natalia
[00:14:27] Starepravo, our journalist, who was at
[00:14:31] the scene of the hit, one of the hits, but this is
[00:14:34] ballistics, first one arrived, then two more,
[00:14:37] now another one is circling, they say, right now over Kyiv
[00:14:41] another drone is maneuvering, but these
[00:14:44] hits are just, well, everywhere,
[00:14:47] forest, this is the embankment, this is the beach, on
[00:14:51] which now there are no, well, practically no people, these are boats,
[00:14:54] that is... well, what strategic things are there to hit with a multi-million dollar missile,
[00:14:58] I just don't understand, there is a river bay,
[00:15:01] a wolf's throat, and boats are stored for
[00:15:04] winter, that's all, well, that is, that's how it
[00:15:08] generally looks, this multi-million dollar missile was programmed by someone
[00:15:12] in Moscow, someone gave the green light, someone
[00:15:15] said launch, and that is, I
[00:15:19] see, even this
[00:15:21] senseless, in principle, and useless organization.
[00:15:25] It provides statistics as of September
[00:15:29] on 17,500
[00:15:32] Ukrainians killed, almost a thousand of whom are children, 56,000
[00:15:35] wounded, that is... actually about terror, that is, these are
[00:15:39] not war figures, absolutely not war figures, and we see that now this
[00:15:43] is the main target for Russia, these are people
[00:15:47] in the rear, these are children,
[00:15:50] which is the most terrible thing in all of this, and for
[00:15:53] example, from Zaporizhzhia yes, it was attacked
[00:15:56] again, and there are already 17
[00:16:00] dead, and that video,
[00:16:03] those photos that we see from the hit site, what the Russians
[00:16:07] did to a five-story building, what was left
[00:16:10] of the building, it's impossible to
[00:16:14] survive after that, after
[00:16:17] such destruction, that is, it's some kind of, it's just that we
[00:16:20] show these shots, yes, we show what remains after
[00:16:24] the arrival of Russian missiles,
[00:16:27] Russian shells, well, the SES employees say that
[00:16:31] it is very dangerous to survive in
[00:16:34] buildings with these striking capabilities. Why
[00:16:55] do two walls still make sense, if you didn't
[00:16:59] manage to hide in
[00:17:01] a shelter, it's from high-speed glass fragments
[00:17:05] that just cut through everything in... That's
[00:17:08] the only thing two walls protect against, it's not 2022
[00:17:11] or 2023, when two walls saved from
[00:17:15] Iranian, Iranian-Russian peaceful
[00:17:18] Shaheds, as they said, but now these are completely different
[00:17:22] warheads, moreover, we see that the enemy relies on
[00:17:26] slow small missiles, that is, on Geranium 5, which
[00:17:30] have a larger warhead than Shaheds, and on
[00:17:33] different types of missiles, and this is generally for such, well, let's say...
[00:17:37] weak structures, such as Khrushchev
[00:17:40] buildings, yes, this is simply destructive force, and we have already
[00:17:43] seen this, well, and we also need to add, as the residents of
[00:17:47] northern cities of Ukraine
[00:17:50] say, KABs are also dangerous for such buildings,
[00:17:53] they reach there, and simply carry a large
[00:17:57] tonnage, multi-ton cargoes, it
[00:18:01] just crushes you and that's it,
[00:18:05] and how to deal with this, how in all this? foreigners
[00:18:08] admire our resilience, but I think that this is no longer even resilience,
[00:18:12] they just wonder where we get these forces, where Ukrainians get these
[00:18:15] forces, simply out of hopelessness, and how else, well,
[00:18:19] we just won't all leave the whole country, well, in this
[00:18:22] case, yes, this is the same as Natalia just told us, how
[00:18:26] Kyiv residents react to the call, it's better
[00:18:29] to leave the city, here
[00:18:32] we take about 2.5-3 million Kyiv residents as
[00:18:35] the average official. I don't think 3 million
[00:18:39] people have dachas around, I think that now, what
[00:18:43] Putin is doing, and I don't know, he probably is trying to achieve
[00:18:47] that, just to break the largest, most populated city
[00:18:50] of Ukraine, Kyiv, but this is not the first time for them, we
[00:18:54] recently recalled how the disgraced General
[00:18:57] Armageddon, Surovikin, was again discharged from
[00:19:00] Africa, there, yes, and at this
[00:19:03] moment we, we also recall how they leveled
[00:19:06] with bombs. missiles and the historical pearl city
[00:19:10] of Aleppo in Syria, that is, this is not the first time, well,
[00:19:14] and residents, who dream of
[00:19:17] Bakhmut and other cities of Donetsk region can also
[00:19:20] say that it is very difficult to
[00:19:23] say this city about this burnt-out
[00:19:26] wreckage of ruins and construction debris, that is, this is not
[00:19:29] the first time, and therefore I just want to
[00:19:33] understand, are there possibilities to turn
[00:19:36] such a large... multi-million city in terms of area
[00:19:39] into Bakhmut and Aleppo, and
[00:19:43] who knows best how to
[00:19:47] endure and continue to work, teach children underground,
[00:19:50] this is probably Zaporizhzhia's experience, because everything flies there,
[00:19:54] absolutely everything, yes, and
[00:19:56] Zaporizhzhia, and despite everything, there are people
[00:20:00] who, in those difficult conditions, are still trying to help
[00:20:04] others. Now we will talk to the coordinator of the Zaporizhzhia branch of the public
[00:20:07] organization Dobrobat, Andriy Razin, he is in touch with us,
[00:20:11] specifically about the latest hits and about
[00:20:14] the number of
[00:20:16] people Putin deprived of life,
[00:20:20] 17 dead in Zaporizhzhia, Mr. Andriy, greetings
[00:20:23] to you.
[00:20:26] Hello, these are terrible shots that we
[00:20:28] see, I don't know how anyone could have survived
[00:20:32] in what Russia turned this house
[00:20:35] into, any life, Mr. Andriy,
[00:20:37] what do you say, you were there at the scene,
[00:20:41] how, how does it all look?
[00:20:44] Well, it looks
[00:20:47] horrible. And this is the second morning that
[00:20:51] we start, let's say, low-key. Currently,
[00:20:54] search and rescue operations are underway,
[00:20:58] 17 people killed, including three
[00:21:02] children, and more people may still be under
[00:21:05] the rubble, well, they say that 11 people are not in
[00:21:09] contact, I don't know, I
[00:21:11] look at those photos and at
[00:21:14] those videos from the scene, I don't know if
[00:21:18] anyone could have survived, you
[00:21:22] are often at such facilities
[00:21:26] according to your experience,
[00:21:30] is there hope?
[00:21:33] I believe there is hope, literally
[00:21:37] about an hour ago, yes, a girl
[00:21:40] was pulled out, she is alive, so
[00:21:43] there is hope that there will still be people alive
[00:21:46] under the rubble. Mr. Andriy, could you tell
[00:21:50] us about this strike, that neither children
[00:21:53] nor adults ignored the alarm
[00:21:56] signal, and therefore everyone was in the house
[00:22:00] at that moment, or was there
[00:22:03] no warning at all,
[00:22:06] because there are so many dead.
[00:22:10] Well, it's hard to say, they constantly shell
[00:22:13] us with KABs,
[00:22:16] our week began with the shelling
[00:22:19] of our... bridge crossings,
[00:22:23] so, well, this is the second morning today, it's probably
[00:22:27] 4:48, well, about 5 o'clock,
[00:22:30] yesterday at 1:56 a.m. they shelled us with
[00:22:34] guided aerial bombs,
[00:22:38] so we were told from Zaporizhzhia
[00:22:41] that in principle there is a special warning,
[00:22:44] specifically when there are KABs, so that's why I
[00:22:47] asked you, that is, I understand, it was deliberately
[00:22:51] chosen such a time when people are, well, really, it's before
[00:22:54] dawn, well, they are sleeping, well, it's hard to wake up, it's hard
[00:22:58] to get the children up and go, but was there a specific
[00:23:01] sound warning for KABs or
[00:23:04] not?
[00:23:06] Yes, there was a warning, warnings
[00:23:09] constantly come to our
[00:23:12] phones, well,
[00:23:16] the city
[00:23:19] is trying to... prepare for front-line
[00:23:22] life, but, let's say,
[00:23:25] the warning is such a thing, you know that
[00:23:28] we are very close to
[00:23:31] the demarcation line,
[00:23:33] so,
[00:23:36] let's say, that is, what is the time between the signal and
[00:23:40] the actual arrival of a guided aerial bomb, how much time is there
[00:23:44] in different ways,
[00:23:48] sometimes, well, 10 minutes.
[00:23:55] Zaporizhzhia a peaceful day and, of course, we wish for a miracle, so that really, under
[00:23:59] those rubble, under what Russia did to the
[00:24:02] five-story building, the residential building,
[00:24:05] that people remain alive there.
[00:24:08] Andriy Razin, coordinator of the Zaporizhzhia branch of the Dobrobat public organization, was
[00:24:12] in touch with us, dear friends, emergency workers say that three
[00:24:15] people were unblocked, so Mr. Andriy
[00:24:17] says. We hope for a miracle and for the quick work
[00:24:21] of rescuers who are doing simply incredible things in the conditions
[00:24:24] in which Zaporizhzhia is now living. Valeriy Borovyk,
[00:24:28] founder of the company that produces defense products First Contact, participant in combat
[00:24:32] operations, we will talk to him,
[00:24:34] in particular about strikes on the west of
[00:24:37] the country, where jet drones are already
[00:24:40] reaching, I specifically studied this yesterday, we were
[00:24:44] in Ivano-Frankivsk with colleagues, so such a concert with...
[00:24:47] with geraniums without an orchestra
[00:24:50] in the center of Frankivsk,
[00:24:52] really, Frankivsk residents showed, by the way, a large number of people in
[00:24:56] open areas, there is an alarm signal,
[00:25:00] Shaheds, everyone to shelters, everyone to
[00:25:03] shelters immediately, air defense is working, and then
[00:25:06] everyone returns normally from the battle, that's how it all looked in
[00:25:09] Frankivsk, but this is already the second, second day in a row
[00:25:12] for Frankivsk, and Lviv was the first time, right? Lviv was the first time, in fact, yes,
[00:25:16] air defense destroyed this jet. But Mr. Valeriy,
[00:25:20] what does this mean, now this is a new reality also for the west
[00:25:24] of the country?
[00:25:25] Look, I want to react to the fact that
[00:25:28] Frankivsk residents went immediately, you understand that they are not attacked
[00:25:32] as regularly as Kyiv residents, and therefore when there is
[00:25:35] every half
[00:25:38] hour, sometimes,
[00:25:40] an alarm,
[00:25:43] an alarm cancellation, an alarm, an alarm cancellation, then you don't run around like that, but
[00:25:46] unfortunately, we have to do it. As for
[00:25:50] Western Ukraine, well, look, here's simple
[00:25:53] physics, that is, jet drones have,
[00:25:56] consume a lot of fuel, they fly at high speed and...
[00:26:00] and they fly, figuratively speaking, at shorter
[00:26:04] distances, depending on their design,
[00:26:07] than drones with internal combustion engines, which fly slower, well, and
[00:26:11] even then fast, over 200 km, but still
[00:26:14] slower, and - they can
[00:26:17] fly in economic mode,
[00:26:20] so - the arrivals
[00:26:23] of missiles
[00:26:26] there of relevant
[00:26:30] and there jet drones there. as we call them, not
[00:26:34] missiles, it means they can be
[00:26:37] rarer, depending, I repeat, on the design,
[00:26:41] technical characteristics and the implementation
[00:26:45] itself, scaling of different types
[00:26:48] of apparatus, can
[00:26:51] the west be,
[00:26:53] conditionally, in the same danger as
[00:26:56] all of Ukraine, I will say that you need to prepare for
[00:27:00] this. Uh-huh.
[00:27:07] I'll voice this thesis: everyone must understand that everyone in our country is
[00:27:10] a warrior, and inside you,
[00:27:13] inside yourself, do not divide into those who
[00:27:16] protect you, and
[00:27:19] yourself as a civilian, because now the war
[00:27:22] has actually come to every home, so you need to
[00:27:26] make your contributions to this victory, and
[00:27:30] you don't just need to make your contributions. You need to
[00:27:33] psychologically understand that you are on the defense, and you can also
[00:27:37] suffer and not point at someone else, that someone else has to
[00:27:40] protect you, but to do these things yourself, which
[00:27:44] can protect you and understand that you are also
[00:27:47] on the front line. We have some statistics from the Air Force,
[00:27:50] yes, that is, for example,
[00:27:53] 160
[00:27:55] her drones, well, here we understand that among them were these
[00:27:58] reactive ones, because more than half
[00:28:02] of them are reactive, and there are still hits in 14
[00:28:06] locations, here the arithmetic is slightly different than in those times when we had
[00:28:09] mobile groups working, and in this
[00:28:13] case we see that even our neighbors have been scrambling aviation
[00:28:16] for two nights in a row, and we understand that for now
[00:28:20] these, as you say, "under-missiles" or
[00:28:23] jet-engine propelled ones at 600-700 km/h,
[00:28:27] quite high-speed targets, are working, and in this case
[00:28:31] the role of aviation
[00:28:33] and of course missiles, air-to-air, which need to shoot down
[00:28:37] all this. And here, in parallel, we hear about
[00:28:40] Gripen, about them preparing us, that they will be
[00:28:44] hurrying up the transfer of F-16s, and that
[00:28:48] something, for example, Finland is now giving us exactly for
[00:28:52] F-16s, so tell us,
[00:28:55] Mr. Valeriy, whether
[00:28:59] we in this case
[00:29:01] have the readiness to shoot down more, or do we have
[00:29:05] aerial means to chase those high-speed targets and
[00:29:08] destroy them?
[00:29:11] Look, the air defense system of Ukraine
[00:29:14] and air defense are part of
[00:29:16] the air forces, it's a puzzle of many
[00:29:20] components, so
[00:29:23] the air component is one of
[00:29:26] the few, out of many components, so yes, through...
[00:29:29] F-16s can shoot down missiles,
[00:29:32] and missiles
[00:29:35] are quite expensive,
[00:29:38] and so that you understand,
[00:29:42] from 1.3 to 2.4 million
[00:29:45] is the cost of one missile, so
[00:29:48] now M-61 machine guns that are on
[00:29:52] F-16s are being used quite well, but this is not
[00:29:54] a panacea, it's an expensive thing,
[00:29:58] it's cheap, so to speak, in terms of shots,
[00:30:02] but the work of F-16s, maintenance, and so
[00:30:06] on, on duty, all this
[00:30:09] affects the cost of shooting down, so we are going
[00:30:12] down the path of reactive interceptors
[00:30:15] with subsequent scaling of
[00:30:18] a normal solution that will be worked out, and
[00:30:21] also down the path of missiles, small
[00:30:24] missiles, inexpensive, with
[00:30:27] new types of seeker heads for...
[00:30:30] well, connected
[00:30:37] to the seeker head with video guidance,
[00:30:39] so these things are
[00:30:43] part of the puzzle, the next, the next part is
[00:30:47] EW complexes, which are supposed to shoot down
[00:30:50] styles, shoot down missile
[00:30:53] navigation, this is
[00:30:57] what is essential.