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[00:00:00] detailed, scrupulous moments should automatically be worked out, but it,
[00:00:03] unfortunately, begins to take on a systemic nature, and is there
[00:00:07] any tendency to correct it, we have already spoken
[00:00:11] many times with practicing legal
[00:00:14] people who point to these points where
[00:00:18] formally they didn't play, the date doesn't match,
[00:00:21] changes were made, and it now applies to all
[00:00:25] cases that occurred after the changes were made, but not
[00:00:28] those very same ones that were literally a week before
[00:00:32] that, so do you see a tendency now that after our conversations
[00:00:35] like today with you, after that someone
[00:00:39] tries to fix something?
[00:00:42] In fact, all this is corrected at a later stage, because there is
[00:00:46] the concept of judicial practice, and when you constantly
[00:00:49] practice, you already understand in principle what the court's decision
[00:00:53] will be approximately in such a case, because judicial practice is already being formed, for
[00:00:56] example, I recalled today about alcohol, it is clear
[00:00:59] that... if there is a hit in the dugout and nothing is left of the
[00:01:03] person's body, then accordingly, whether there were those 50
[00:01:07] grams of alcohol or not, it would not matter, because
[00:01:11] the person could not have survived, and the state's position in this case is not
[00:01:14] to pay anything, so in fact, the position of judges and judicial
[00:01:18] practice is that no, this alcohol did not lead to death, or also people who
[00:01:21] are in the Armed Forces, there are also many nuances with the dead who
[00:01:25] die in military service due to illness, and all
[00:01:28] this is actually already... in courts resolved and executed, but
[00:01:32] at the pre-trial stage, when you apply
[00:01:35] voluntarily, or when you ask to make some changes to
[00:01:39] a regulatory act or some changes at the level of a military unit, then unfortunately, this is
[00:01:42] met with great caution,
[00:01:45] therefore, one of the most positive
[00:01:49] moments among all this is that the courts have actually
[00:01:52] taken on the burden of correcting these
[00:01:55] shortcomings that exist now in military units and
[00:01:59] in general in the matter... of military justice.
[00:02:03] Here, the ombudsman makes such predictions that after the end of the war,
[00:02:06] the number of veterans, female veterans, may range from 5 to
[00:02:10] 6.5 million, and this will actually
[00:02:13] determine state policy in all spheres for the next 30
[00:02:16] years, and they say that Ukrainians are already
[00:02:19] far, well, certainly not 52 million, moreover, they say that
[00:02:23] these figures just need to be swapped, somewhere around
[00:02:26] 25 million, some such closed figures are named, well, and...
[00:02:30] if we have from 5 to 6.5 million, listen,
[00:02:33] this is a huge number of people in our
[00:02:37] society,
[00:02:39] actually, I would very clearly, I would very clearly differentiate veteran
[00:02:43] policy and social protection, because not every veteran is wounded, not every
[00:02:47] veteran needs some kind of deep social
[00:02:50] protection with payments and so on, so we need to approach this process
[00:02:54] individually, what is veteran policy, well, in my understanding, these are those
[00:02:58] measures that will allow a person to... socialize, return to civilian
[00:03:01] life, find a job, work, start a business, have some
[00:03:05] possible benefits from the state, because after all, you gave your time and health to this state,
[00:03:09] so give me benefits, for example, some tax holidays and so on, so that I can
[00:03:13] start doing something, and the social block, this is about
[00:03:16] those families who have lost their family
[00:03:19] members, this is what concerns wounded servicemen who have received
[00:03:23] disability groups, who have lost the degree of loss
[00:03:26] of working capacity, well, of course, there are six or 5 million
[00:03:30] people, well, I doubt, based on the assessment that
[00:03:33] is currently given in the public space, that there will be such a large number, so this needs to be
[00:03:36] delimited, our task, a purely legal task
[00:03:40] - is to help this category with social
[00:03:43] protection, and here there are mechanisms how to do it, and
[00:03:46] how to do it, then first of all, in my opinion, today
[00:03:50] this paper document flow is a waste of time and
[00:03:54] a waste of money, digitalization, personal
[00:03:56] responsibility of those officials who make
[00:04:00] decisions, because very often it happens, they laugh in our faces at the military enlistment office, there
[00:04:04] is some woman who accepts documents, you are not entitled to anything, so go
[00:04:07] home, and we return it through the courts a year later, people receive millions of hryvnias, I
[00:04:11] come and say, how are we not entitled to anything, they are just
[00:04:14] laughing, there should be responsibility for such laughter, so
[00:04:18] in fact, our position now of the legal community is such
[00:04:22] that there should be proper systemic mechanisms of assistance in this
[00:04:25] category of social protection, yes, indeed. For
[00:04:29] the volume of people who need it, this system now needs
[00:04:32] radical changes. Mr. Yevhen, please tell me, because if you talk
[00:04:35] to people who had someone from their family
[00:04:39] fighting and
[00:04:42] died, then they say that there is such a
[00:04:46] practice, I don't know if it really looks like that in life,
[00:04:49] that it is easier to declare this person
[00:04:53] missing, because in this way there is no need to return
[00:04:57] any funds, compensation for the loss of a breadwinner.
[00:05:01] And so now there is a problem with payments, so
[00:05:05] mostly, mostly people, even
[00:05:08] people who lose their loved ones in the war, at the front. They
[00:05:12] are no longer even so concerned about these funds, of course, as they are about getting
[00:05:15] the body or remains of this person,
[00:05:19] to be able to bury them and have that place to
[00:05:22] come and talk to them somehow, and then you can't get anything,
[00:05:25] that's the easiest thing to do, and as for
[00:05:29] the missing person, unfortunately, the system for searching for a person is
[00:05:32] complex, because the military unit is not authorized to search, searching
[00:05:36] is currently authorized by the national police, where a
[00:05:40] criminal proceeding is opened under the relevant article. For general
[00:05:43] understanding, one investigator of some
[00:05:46] district police department in eastern Ukraine can
[00:05:50] have a hundred, probably not one thousand such cases, so what
[00:05:54] quality of search can there be for such a person, well, at least to simply find out
[00:05:58] the last mobile phone call and so on, that is, there are currently
[00:06:01] women, for example, who actively work with this and achieve,
[00:06:05] for example, finding out the exact location of
[00:06:08] the potential body of a person, then they already involve the resources
[00:06:11] of the military. unit, including drones to see if the
[00:06:15] body is actually there, that is, people stimulate this themselves, people do
[00:06:19] this themselves, so the system for searching for a body lies on the shoulders of the national
[00:06:22] police today, not the military unit, and all
[00:06:26] this together gives the family the opportunity, in fact,
[00:06:29] the worst moment that exists today is to undermine this
[00:06:33] social component for people, and this is all a matter of
[00:06:37] trust, this is all a matter of trust in the state, in the army, in people, so
[00:06:40] this moment is very important. And you correctly noted that
[00:06:44] missing - this is an order that the person
[00:06:48] is recognized as missing, in practice that's it. After that,
[00:06:51] deal with the issue yourself, in fact, or declare the individual deceased in
[00:06:55] court, or wait until,
[00:06:58] perhaps, DNA matches. We had a case when DNA matched, three
[00:07:02] years ago, the body was buried in Dnipropetrovsk
[00:07:05] region in a communal cemetery, and
[00:07:08] here my wife and I spent three years declaring him deceased by court order, death certificate.
[00:07:12] Other processes, they forgot to call us, well, that
[00:07:15] also happens, and you now there is another
[00:07:18] reality, until at least the 13th, we do not
[00:07:22] have an answer to the question of how the wild budget deficit will be covered,
[00:07:26] 37 billion, as they say, this figure
[00:07:30] alone, and not hryvnias, it
[00:07:33] simply led the government to insane
[00:07:36] savings, and many areas are simply
[00:07:40] not financed, that is, it means money. would formally be accrued as a figure,
[00:07:43] but payments are simply suspended, do you
[00:07:47] also have new cases now, when they actually say, "there's no money, but
[00:07:50] hold on," that is, this option, have you
[00:07:54] already encountered
[00:07:56] this?
[00:07:59] And I'll tell you frankly, this thought constantly accompanies
[00:08:02] me when people turn to me regarding social payments, either for
[00:08:06] a deceased person or a missing person, because there is no other logical explanation
[00:08:10] why, for example, a simple
[00:08:13] matter, there is an appointment, payments, all documents are there, what's the problem,
[00:08:17] no other qualification or other logical thought can exist, it
[00:08:20] seems that, indeed, due to this budget
[00:08:24] deficit, due to these moments, I'll tell you more,
[00:08:27] yesterday we received a decision from the regional
[00:08:30] medical commission (VLC), where a person died and their death
[00:08:33] was recorded as defending the homeland, after 2.5 years,
[00:08:37] the regional VLC, which is overwhelmed with current work up to
[00:08:40] its neck, makes a decision to review its previous decision and
[00:08:44] cancels the record of defending the homeland, and what does this mean for the budget,
[00:08:48] it's the cancellation of the so-called black certificate, social payments,
[00:08:51] pensions, and further down the list, that is, probably these
[00:08:55] measures are still logically connected with this
[00:08:58] absence, or with the budget deficit. Ugh. Mr.
[00:09:01] Yevhen, thank you for all these explanations, Yevhen Filipets, military
[00:09:05] lawyer, was with us on the line, we talked a bit about
[00:09:08] what our military says, that they feel...
[00:09:13] offended, superfluous, because the state does not protect their
[00:09:16] rights, and how, after all, these rights can be protected, now
[00:09:20] we will talk about what Trump did, and how we will
[00:09:24] live with all this, Ihor Eisenberg, professor at Manhattan University, how
[00:09:28] America lives with this, it's also interesting to hear, Mr. Ihor, we welcome
[00:09:31] you,
[00:09:35] Espresso, thank you for inviting me, yes, we already see and hear you, and what about
[00:09:39] America's reaction to all this, because honestly speaking, Ukrainians somehow...
[00:09:43] were just very surprised, and so were Europeans,
[00:09:46] we see a whole parade of statements about what
[00:09:49] America will do about Trump's latest stunt to agree with
[00:09:53] Putin on diesel
[00:09:55] supplies? Well, I'll
[00:09:58] tell you, you might be surprised that in America this is not
[00:10:02] front-page news, although, although it is discussed, well, and
[00:10:05] again, you understand, America is divided into
[00:10:09] those who love Donald Trump and those who don't love him,
[00:10:12] accordingly, and the reaction, well,
[00:10:15] I'm sure you, you've already
[00:10:19] quoted, probably, what Senator Blumenthal said about
[00:10:23] this, well, and other
[00:10:25] democratic politicians comment similarly that this is,
[00:10:28] so wait, do I understand correctly, there are
[00:10:31] Americans who are fine with Trump having
[00:10:35] made a deal with Putin, and they're okay with it, and they even loved
[00:10:39] Trump more after that, let's say, MAGA and
[00:10:42] experienced Republicans, how did they
[00:10:45] perceive this? Mr. Roman, I would not separate
[00:10:49] MAGA and experienced Republicans today, because
[00:10:52] the Republican party is simply swallowed up
[00:10:55] by the MAGA movement, and those
[00:10:59] experienced Republicans, well, either left the party,
[00:11:02] or are silent,
[00:11:05] and not a single word will we hear
[00:11:08] from them, but they just went to a different place, such an experienced
[00:11:11] Republican, former Congressman Adam Kinzinger, for example, he
[00:11:15] actually conducts a pre-election campaign supporting Democratic
[00:11:19] candidates in the congressional elections,
[00:11:23] that is, today.
[00:11:25] that Republican party that once was, well, it doesn't
[00:11:28] exist, there's the MAGA party, and there, well,
[00:11:32] there's a small minority that mostly keeps silent. Mr. Igor, on
[00:11:36] Facebook just, well,
[00:11:38] a minute before our conversation with you, among
[00:11:42] friends,
[00:11:44] in America, a post: dear Ukrainian-American
[00:11:48] diaspora, what should we do with the fact that we
[00:11:52] will now practically, through Russian...
[00:11:55] diesel, will support the killing
[00:11:59] of Ukrainians, and a question mark, and
[00:12:02] what to answer American citizens
[00:12:05] of Ukrainian
[00:12:08] origin? Well, what to answer, you see, I also
[00:12:11] consider myself an American citizen of Ukrainian
[00:12:14] origin, for me, for me this is a disgrace,
[00:12:17] shame, and for people who have the same views as I do, and this
[00:12:21] is not necessarily a person who must have Ukrainian
[00:12:25] origin, because this is truly a disgrace, this will
[00:12:28] be studied in history textbooks of the United States as a disgrace.
[00:12:32] Did this add, did this add
[00:12:35] to Trump those points he dreams of in the
[00:12:38] elections? Of course not, because
[00:12:41] let's just
[00:12:44] analyze, let's try for
[00:12:47] a minute to disconnect from emotions, and
[00:12:51] let's analyze what this can give? Look, before
[00:12:55] Ukraine started striking Russian oil refineries,
[00:12:58] Russia exported approximately
[00:13:02] from 3 million tons of diesel fuel
[00:13:05] to 3.3 million tons per month.
[00:13:09] Now in Russia, Russia does not export
[00:13:12] diesel fuel, Putin banned its
[00:13:15] export in the summer. That's on one hand. On the
[00:13:18] other hand, the United States of America has
[00:13:22] so much diesel fuel that they
[00:13:25] export, not import, they export monthly
[00:13:28] from 5 to 6 million tons, including now in October, the United
[00:13:32] States will export up to 6 million tons of this diesel, because
[00:13:36] there is no shortage of diesel in the United States, there
[00:13:39] is a lot of it, diesel fuel
[00:13:43] is expensive, but because the
[00:13:46] Strait of Hormuz is blocked, because of that, the price of
[00:13:49] oil is high, the price of diesel fuel depends on the price of
[00:13:53] oil, and not on whether Putin will export
[00:13:57] 300,000 tons of diesel, look, this is
[00:14:01] less than about, this is less than 10% of
[00:14:04] the volume that Russia exported half a year
[00:14:07] ago. Has the price of
[00:14:10] oil changed in the last six months? Well, it fluctuated a bit less,
[00:14:14] a bit more, but around 100 dollars per barrel, and
[00:14:18] nothing will change from that. Trump,
[00:14:21] of course, he thinks about the election campaign, because...
[00:14:25] November elections, Republicans are on track
[00:14:28] to lose these elections, and he does everything
[00:14:32] he believes he can do to
[00:14:35] convince voters that he cares
[00:14:38] about them, voters, of course, are very
[00:14:42] dissatisfied with high fuel prices, because fuel prices
[00:14:46] determine all other prices, and
[00:14:49] for example, high prices for diesel fuel determine that
[00:14:53] all food products... they become more expensive, because
[00:14:57] agriculture simply uses
[00:15:00] diesel fuel, if farmers have
[00:15:03] to pay a lot, then they include in the price of their
[00:15:07] products what they have to pay for this diesel, and in such
[00:15:10] farming states as Iowa and Kansas,
[00:15:14] Republicans are currently on the way to a very possible
[00:15:18] defeat in the Senate elections, imagine in
[00:15:20] Kansas the last time a Democrat won a Senate election
[00:15:24] was in 1932, and now they might
[00:15:28] win, it's 50/50, so this is an absolutely
[00:15:32] red Republican state, Trump is trying to prevent
[00:15:35] this, but he just. well,
[00:15:38] voters, look, they fill up their cars, they
[00:15:41] will see that the price doesn't change, despite all these statements
[00:15:45] from Trump, the price doesn't change, so from the point
[00:15:48] of view, from the point of view of electoral propaganda, it's
[00:15:51] a bluff, from the point of view of influence on world
[00:15:54] oil prices, it's a bluff, but from the point
[00:15:57] of view, from the point of view of how the United States looks,
[00:16:01] of course, it's a shame, and it's a real shame, Mr.
[00:16:04] Ihor, look... you say that on
[00:16:08] the front pages of the American press
[00:16:11] the diesel show by the Nobel Peace Prize winner
[00:16:14] from the Football Association FIFA didn't
[00:16:18] work, and we saw how
[00:16:21] the president in his social media
[00:16:24] said, "You misunderstood me," and to understand me
[00:16:27] correctly, it should have been like this, and this was part
[00:16:30] of his election tour: San
[00:16:34] Diego and Los Angeles are wrong. states, it
[00:16:37] would be great if, as part of our peace deal with Iran, they
[00:16:41] blew up these cities with missiles, now he says: it's all fake
[00:16:45] news, it's not like that, but this is the first time in human history, in my opinion,
[00:16:49] when a president of some nation
[00:16:52] allows the destruction of his
[00:16:56] citizens just because they have
[00:16:59] different views, and they vote for the wrong
[00:17:03] people, was this
[00:17:06] news... on the front
[00:17:10] pages of the media, how did society in general, what's on the front
[00:17:13] pages of American newspapers now? This
[00:17:16] news, about which Mr. Roman just
[00:17:19] asked, yes, it was on the front pages, I discussed
[00:17:23] it for two days, Trump repeated it twice, that is, he said it once,
[00:17:26] then the next day he repeated it again,
[00:17:29] but you know, he has in
[00:17:32] his head what a very
[00:17:36] prominent American journalist, Carl Bernstein, described back in January
[00:17:39] 2017 as a cold
[00:17:42] civil war, he has that in his head, because he constantly
[00:17:46] proclaims that Democrats are internal
[00:17:49] enemies, that he is fighting them because they
[00:17:52] are internal enemies, so in his head this is a normal
[00:17:56] statement, he just said it and said
[00:17:59] it, because this was him transmitting the stream of his
[00:18:02] consciousness, which is real, and
[00:18:05] what's on the front pages today... well, in the United
[00:18:08] States again Boriviy, who has already
[00:18:12] hit the southern coast in
[00:18:15] Florida, in Mississippi, in Alabama, in the southern states in Alabama,
[00:18:19] and this is being discussed, because there, you know, a natural disaster
[00:18:23] is a natural disaster, it always interests
[00:18:27] people, well, and there really, really, this, this, this disaster can,
[00:18:30] can, can be destruction,
[00:18:33] can, can be a flood.
[00:18:37] But the news regarding Trump's conversation with
[00:18:41] Putin yesterday and Trump's tweet, well, it, as I said, is being discussed, although it is not
[00:18:45] the main news, the point is that we, we hear something
[00:18:49] like that from Trump every day, like his statements
[00:18:52] that he encouraged Iran to strike
[00:18:55] Los Angeles and San Diego, or, as
[00:18:59] he announced yesterday, that he had agreed with Putin, he
[00:19:02] had another wonderful conversation with Putin, and this is already
[00:19:06] the 16th time since he returned to the White House. Mr.
[00:19:10] Ihor, we have literally two minutes, and we asked everyone,
[00:19:13] we have to ask you too, we want to
[00:19:17] understand, well, the scenario of
[00:19:20] the new movie "The Day After
[00:19:24] Tomorrow," right, that is, what will
[00:19:27] happen after Donald Trump sees the election
[00:19:30] results, we are interested in the dimension of international,
[00:19:34] and specifically American politics.
[00:19:37] What about Ukraine in the context of the Russian-Ukrainian war, one minute,
[00:19:41] first, when he sees the election results, if
[00:19:45] they are not in favor of Republicans, not in his favor, he
[00:19:48] will fight the election results, just as he did
[00:19:52] in 2020 at the beginning of 2021, I have no
[00:19:55] doubt about that, so it will be a very hot autumn and
[00:19:59] a hot beginning of winter, because he will do everything possible and
[00:20:03] impossible to prevent in such a case the new
[00:20:06] Congress from gathering, when, yes, as by law it must
[00:20:10] gather on January 3, he will do everything possible and
[00:20:14] impossible to prevent this from happening,
[00:20:16] the impact, when the new Congress does gather, if Democrats
[00:20:20] have a majority in it, the impact on policy will be
[00:20:23] great, because Congress can have a great impact through
[00:20:27] its legislative activity, it can allow the executive
[00:20:31] branch to do something, or not allow it, and Congress will be dealing with a very
[00:20:35] important thing, investigating all corrupt... dealings of Trump, his
[00:20:38] family, his friends, his administration,
[00:20:42] and therefore the president understands that he may be in trouble, that's
[00:20:45] why he will fight the election
[00:20:48] results if they are unfavorable to him, that's why
[00:20:52] he does today, every day, what he does, such shameful
[00:20:55] statements as the one he made yesterday, conversations with Putin began. Mr.
[00:20:59] Ihor, thank you. Ihor Eisenberg, Professor of Manhattan
[00:21:02] University, was with us on the line and helped us understand what
[00:21:06] is happening in Trump's head and what he is doing. Friends, thank you for
[00:21:09] being with us, Lesya Vakulyuk, Roman Chaika are in the studio, tomorrow we will return to the studio at
[00:21:13] 4 PM, and you stay with Espresso. See
[00:21:15] you.
[00:21:38] The village of Ostriv, how the great water cut off Afanasiivka in
[00:21:41] Mykolaiv region.
[00:21:45] The water began to overflow the dam, it began
[00:21:48] to fill these ponds.
[00:21:54] and by evening they had already blown up this dam, what is
[00:21:57] there,
[00:22:03] it immediately rushed, in
[00:22:05] one hour we were already flooded,
[00:22:08] Afanasiivka became, yes, an island, yes,
[00:22:12] yes, tell Putin, thank you, and call him
[00:22:15] by the Russian word, the one they call him,
[00:22:23] how does flooded Afanasiivka live
[00:22:25] now after three years?
[00:22:28] it washed away with this plaster, everything was, everything
[00:22:31] was, all this was flooded, it was about
[00:22:35] well, yes, about this much, I even have 175 written in my documents,
[00:22:39] this was measured, it's
[00:22:41] not finished yet, because there's no money
[00:22:43] for it,
[00:22:47] and already the cellar, the mountain...
[00:23:13] Three years ago, many people in Ukraine and beyond learned about the village of Afanasiivka
[00:23:16] in Mykolaiv region due to the Kakhovka HPP dam
[00:23:20] on June 6, 2023,
[00:23:22] water surrounded the village on all sides. The settlement
[00:23:26] is surrounded on all sides by the Inhulets River, and during the rise in water level,
[00:23:30] it turned into an island, from which
[00:23:32] locals had to be evacuated by boats. Afanasiivka
[00:23:36] is the only village that currently has no land connection
[00:23:40] with the
[00:23:43] region. This village simply turned into an island, the water
[00:23:47] flooded locals' fields and homesteads, people lost their homes.
[00:23:57] Vasyl Khomko, a native of Afanasiivka, has lived here all his life,
[00:24:00] previously worked as a hydrologist at the state farm, later became
[00:24:03] the village head, says that he was informed about the destruction of the Kakhovka dam and possible
[00:24:07] flooding by the military administration of Afanasiivka,
[00:24:10] but people, according to him, mostly underestimated
[00:24:14] the threat.
[00:24:19] Everyone from the RGU. fell for this, but not too much,
[00:24:22] I would say, the population, well,
[00:24:25] as I said, we were already flooded in 1985
[00:24:29] and it flooded well, but people's houses were
[00:24:33] not flooded, these gardens were flooded, dams were
[00:24:36] flooded, yes, people
[00:24:39] walked through such markers along the dam,
[00:24:43] so that it was visible where one could drive, there was not much water, well, there was
[00:24:46] water like that and you could drive along the dam, that's the maximum. So
[00:24:50] that it was straight from Afanasiivka to the Kakhovka HPP
[00:24:53] almost 50 km, many people, according to the village head, simply
[00:24:57] did not believe that the water would reach them, because the most terrible in a long
[00:25:01] time in people's memory remained the March flood
[00:25:04] of 1985, then a lot of snow fell during the winter,
[00:25:07] in spring, rivers that overflowed their banks flooded many
[00:25:11] cities in the south and especially in the east of Ukraine,
[00:25:15] naturally, there was a lot of snow, ice
[00:25:18] it melted instantly and there was a lot
[00:25:22] of water, and in the Dnieper it was backed up, and the water
[00:25:25] here began to flow out of its banks, and that's
[00:25:28] how we had
[00:25:31] a flood.
[00:25:33] One of Vasyl Khomko's tasks was to regularly measure the water level
[00:25:37] in Afanasiivka. The first days after the dam explosion - says
[00:25:40] the headman, nothing indicated trouble.
[00:25:43] We measured, everyone was
[00:25:46] calm, the water arrived in, well, the river was...
[00:25:50] well, the river was full, the river
[00:25:53] was full, yes, it overflowed its banks a little into these
[00:25:57] clearings, and you could even
[00:26:01] I say and... because the fish came out to
[00:26:04] the shallows, and it was looking for some place
[00:26:08] for itself, yes, and people were even fishing
[00:26:11] there.
[00:26:14] Later, after the district leadership arrived in the village, explains
[00:26:17] Vasyl, there was still no threat of flooding
[00:26:20] homes.
[00:26:24] they looked and in their eyes, you could
[00:26:27] say, for the first time the water
[00:26:31] began to overflow... through the dam, well, that is, everything was still
[00:26:34] normal, the water through the dam began to fill these
[00:26:38] ponds. It seemed that the trouble in Afanasiivka had passed, but
[00:26:41] it happened, explains the former hydrologist Vasyl Khomko, that the village
[00:26:45] was flooded when the water went in the opposite direction, towards
[00:26:49] the destroyed dam. Then the waters of the Dnieper filled the Inhulets,
[00:26:52] which girds the village.
[00:26:55] When the water from the Dnieper flowed back along
[00:26:58] the Inhulets to us, it
[00:27:01] filled up. full right up to the dams, because these ponds that
[00:27:05] we have are protected by dams, protected by
[00:27:08] dams, and the water in
[00:27:11] the Inhulets river filled up so much that it went over the dam and began
[00:27:15] to fill these ponds, well, that is, the water is looking for
[00:27:19] a place for itself, a dish where it can overflow, and it began to fill the
[00:27:22] ponds, and the ponds are located
[00:27:25] around the village, that
[00:27:28] Afanasiivka, well, around the village, that is,
[00:27:31] like this and... and they first the water filled
[00:27:35] these ponds and then it began to
[00:27:38] rise
[00:27:39] simultaneously
[00:27:45] well, they said that, as those who know always say,
[00:27:49] that it will go along the channel and the whole village will not
[00:27:52] be affected, and in the evening they already blew up this
[00:27:54] dam, that those who remained with
[00:27:58] cows, those people who live outside the village, directly there outside the village at
[00:28:01] the brigade. and we drove here, already in the morning,
[00:28:04] that's it.
[00:28:07] These are shots from three years ago. The water rushed so quickly that almost no one
[00:28:11] in Afanasiivka managed to take out household appliances or furniture from
[00:28:15] their
[00:28:15] homes.
[00:28:19] Oh, my refrigerators are floating there, and televisions, everything is floating. Well,
[00:28:23] we won't go further, you can still here, I'll open it for you, now, if
[00:28:27] it works.
[00:28:30] Oh, this is all a refrigerator.
[00:28:35] Oh, here's a brand new one the children just bought, they haven't even paid off the
[00:28:38] loan yet. Oh, here's their furniture
[00:28:41] that floated up in that room where my grandson
[00:28:44] lives, a school desk, everything, a plasma TV,
[00:28:48] everything there, everything, so if
[00:28:51] you're going to show this on air, tell Putin "thank you" and
[00:28:54] call him by the Russian word that he
[00:28:56] is called.
[00:29:14] Yuriy Danylovych from Afanasiivka, the hero of many stories from that time, willingly
[00:29:18] told journalists about the flood and showed his damaged
[00:29:21] farm. His house and outbuildings in
[00:29:25] 2023 were flooded almost up to
[00:29:27] the roofs. So that's the kind of help we got from
[00:29:31] the fraternal people. And about 80 houses, probably, if not
[00:29:34] more, we can still see roofs, but further down there are no
[00:29:38] roofs for people. This prediction of Yuriy's turned
[00:29:41] out to be correct. To be precise, the man was wrong by only
[00:29:45] five homesteads.
[00:29:49] It was up to the roofs, we have one street there,
[00:29:52] well, on Shevchenko Street, yes, there are five
[00:29:56] houses that were definitely under the roof, and
[00:29:59] 75 houses, well, and...
[00:30:32] This is what Afanasiivka looked like during the maximum
[00:30:35] flooding. Afanasiivka became
[00:30:39] an island, yes, and all these houses that are located, which
[00:30:43] you see in the coastal zone, they were all those
[00:30:46] that were all flooded all around, all around.