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[00:00:00] how do you personally know, you need to hide,
[00:00:04] you can still somehow move,
[00:00:07] well, look, the first, the first is
[00:00:11] to listen to the sky, that's the first thing that
[00:00:14] you definitely need to be, as they say, keep your ears
[00:00:18] open, so definitely listen to the sky, in
[00:00:21] our case it's to listen all the way to the sky to
[00:00:24] understand what kind of drones, well, we've already
[00:00:28] learned a little bit to understand. our drone is not our
[00:00:32] drone flying there and in pi flying there
[00:00:35] there it is also clear that MLRS
[00:00:38] there it's different KABs they rustle
[00:00:42] quite differently over your head you already understand that it's a KAB and
[00:00:45] if it flew past you then it flew further
[00:00:49] so we react there are
[00:00:52] appropriate Telegram channels and not
[00:00:55] only messages notifications where
[00:00:58] you can even. well plus or minus where it's
[00:01:02] going, what direction that KAB is going, and so I
[00:01:06] already understand, for example, whether I should run to the corridor
[00:01:09] or hide somewhere, or well, I
[00:01:12] shouldn't, well, something like that, something like that, Andriy,
[00:01:15] thank you, Andriy Hryni, editor of the online publication News
[00:01:18] of Kramatorsk district from Kramatorsk, where people
[00:01:22] become audio specialists, this is to distinguish by ear your own
[00:01:25] from someone else's, and where the guided
[00:01:29] bomb Kapta is moving.
[00:01:40] came in, but you see, nevertheless the Russians know what else to
[00:01:44] surprise the residents of Kramatorsk who
[00:01:48] have already gotten used to the fact that the war is very, very
[00:01:51] close. Friends, let's move on, Oleksiy Hetman, Major of the National Guard
[00:01:54] of Ukraine in reserve, military analyst will be with us on
[00:01:58] the line, we are waiting. for his appearance, we will discuss with
[00:02:01] him, in fact, what is happening besides all that in the world, and in
[00:02:05] the world, what interesting things are happening in Poland, they say that
[00:02:09] there could have been an assassination attempt on the prime minister and
[00:02:12] the minister. This is the police spokesman,
[00:02:16] they say that very, very serious, completely different intelligence data
[00:02:19] they received, besides that, what we discussed
[00:02:23] yesterday with a psychologist in this studio has its continuation,
[00:02:27] also the continuation of the massacre in the school about...
[00:02:52] Tusk again says that he does not connect these cases of school massacres, but there are experts who claim that
[00:02:55] Russia may indeed be behind this, as we
[00:02:59] know. Ancient Russian practices that already have not even a
[00:03:03] few decades of history, but several centuries of history, how they
[00:03:06] create chaos, how they try to
[00:03:10] push people into a spiral of panic, and what else I
[00:03:14] think, children are involved here, Russia strikes at
[00:03:17] what hurts people the most, as always, when children
[00:03:21] suffer. Now let's ask Oleksiy Hetman, retired National Guard Major, military
[00:03:24] analyst, he is with us on the line. Mr.
[00:03:27] Oleksiy, what do you think, day by... day in Poland
[00:03:30] there is a massacre in schools, in lyceums
[00:03:34] with the participation
[00:03:36] of children or teenagers or children who are 21 years old, because these are all
[00:03:40] still, still children, as I believe,
[00:03:43] and these are means of military influence, so inspections in
[00:03:47] schools have passed and also revealed many cases where
[00:03:50] such attacks
[00:03:53] could have been prepared, or could this be Russia's
[00:03:57] way to destabilize.
[00:04:00] The situation in Poland in such a way, there is no need for Shaheds or
[00:04:04] missiles to fly there, it is possible to deprive people
[00:04:07] of security in this way, well, it is quite possible, this is part
[00:04:10] of the information war, this is an information
[00:04:13] component of a hybrid war, which has not ceased to be
[00:04:17] hybrid, the fact that one can influence through mass media,
[00:04:20] through Telegrams, through other things that young
[00:04:23] people use, to form certain focus groups, we
[00:04:27] know this from our example. From cardboard boxes,
[00:04:31] posters, well, and so on,
[00:04:35] you can find such a weak spot, and there in such
[00:04:38] a way, influence a person, well, not push, but lead him to some
[00:04:42] actions that are needed by the one who is doing it, and the person will be
[00:04:45] confident that they did it independently, or that they are somehow advanced or
[00:04:49] something new, well, remember
[00:04:52] you remember that a few years ago there was, well
[00:04:56] many years ago there was a conversation, I think there was a blue
[00:05:00] dolphin or some other dolphin, which
[00:05:03] encouraged people, children to commit suicide, well, there was such a thing or
[00:05:07] a blue cat, well still sit, blue whale,
[00:05:10] it seems, let's remember, well,
[00:05:14] history, yes, let's remember the White Brotherhood, for example, I'm not even talking about
[00:05:17] Om, Chumak and Kashpirovsky, if people
[00:05:20] charged basins, gathered around the TV, well, what
[00:05:24] do you want, and from such people, who they
[00:05:28] will say, who they
[00:05:31] will support, well, this is the first law of Carlo Cipolla, who always
[00:05:34] says that people always underestimate the number of fools
[00:05:37] around them and always downplay it, if you
[00:05:40] Chumakarovsky and...
[00:06:12] movements through some texts, through some videos, and people
[00:06:16] start doing what they were not really programmed to do, to what they were
[00:06:19] запрограмували, до чого до
[00:06:21] prompted
[00:06:24] yes, but I wanted to ask you now, Mr.
[00:06:27] Oleksiy, about the serious work of intelligence services, so look,
[00:06:31] first, today, when we heard from the spokesman of the Polish
[00:06:34] police that their intelligence says about
[00:06:38] an assassination attempt that is to be on Prime Minister Donald.
[00:06:42] and on Defense Minister Kosiniak-Kamysz, and
[00:06:46] this emergency meeting is now a security one with
[00:06:50] security specialists, and this is not a separate case for our
[00:06:53] neighbors, because we see that today the Financial Times also comes out with the fact
[00:06:57] that Western intelligence services have
[00:07:00] enough materials about the order of the Russians from
[00:07:03] the Kremlin to strengthen actions
[00:07:06] of destabilization in Europe, first
[00:07:09] of all, by physical liquidation.
[00:07:12] liquidation of owners or top managers of defense
[00:07:16] enterprises, this is today's publication,
[00:07:19] so in this case, how do you assess
[00:07:22] the ability of NATO countries, European NATO countries to
[00:07:25] repel all this,
[00:07:28] that is, the publication of information, or
[00:07:31] partial publication of information is already a good thing, but it will not stop
[00:07:35] the special operation,
[00:07:37] well, of course it won't stop, the thing is that
[00:07:40] those people,
[00:07:44] leaders, well, mostly states, more,
[00:07:47] well, not mostly, but simply most in Europe and their
[00:07:50] military ministries, military structures, and
[00:07:54] the leaders of these structures, they perfectly understand what is really happening in the
[00:07:57] Russian-Ukrainian war, what threat there is
[00:08:00] from the Russian Federation to all of Europe or the whole
[00:08:04] world, so such people, according to the logic of the Russians,
[00:08:07] need to be removed from these positions
[00:08:10] and... a wave of populism is rising very
[00:08:14] much, another one, it will cover again, like a tsunami, all of
[00:08:18] Europe, as it covered us once, covered the United
[00:08:21] States, so it can cover Europe, and then, in
[00:08:24] the leadership of these structures, especially military ones, we understand that
[00:08:28] political is such for Russians, but military is
[00:08:31] important, and that some people will come there who will
[00:08:34] talk not about what needs to be done for the defense of the country,
[00:08:38] what weapons, how to form it, they will talk about artificial intelligence, about...
[00:08:42] IT technologies, this is not bad,
[00:08:44] but
[00:08:47] to shoot down,
[00:08:50] for example, Shaheds that fly at us, we need missiles,
[00:08:54] not artificial intelligence, which
[00:08:57] helps in prison now, so Mr. Oleksiy, what
[00:09:00] if, if, for example, this warning
[00:09:04] is indeed carried out, somewhere they succeed, yes, as they
[00:09:07] succeeded with Rheinmetall, as with those actions
[00:09:10] that we saw in... explosions, arsons and others, well, there were some in
[00:09:14] Bulgaria in particular and in other countries, in short, if they
[00:09:18] manage, for example, to eliminate several top managers
[00:09:21] of enterprises that somehow
[00:09:25] produce the products we need, cooperate with the defense forces
[00:09:28] of Ukraine, we contract something from them, they buy something,
[00:09:32] they transfer it to us with their own money, so such a
[00:09:35] murder occurs, or under the influence of such
[00:09:38] a special operation and pressure from political forces on... on
[00:09:42] which the Kremlin gives money, it doesn't matter, in one country ultra-right, in another
[00:09:46] ultra-left. Can this really now actually
[00:09:49] destroy this defense component
[00:09:52] of assistance that we have, that is, under those pressures, fear,
[00:09:56] terror, murder and political
[00:10:00] Putin-understanders.
[00:10:03] Mr. Roman, I am telling you about this, that there is an attempt by the Russians to destroy
[00:10:06] people who are reasonable,
[00:10:09] let's put it simpler, and do not tell some fantasies. about
[00:10:13] some things that they don't understand very well, what this
[00:10:17] phrase means, and
[00:10:20] so that people who will not
[00:10:24] strengthen defense, but
[00:10:27] will be engaged in other things, telling about
[00:10:30] some future, how it happens, how important it is, but to shoot down
[00:10:34] drones, you need missiles, you understand, it's very
[00:10:38] good that everything else works, we are all for
[00:10:42] artificial intelligence, and again drones must be shot down with missiles,
[00:10:45] period, everything else,
[00:10:48] later, Mr. Oleksiy, and I'm talking about that, and about that, two more
[00:10:52] words, whether it will succeed or not succeed, well... counter-intelligence
[00:10:57] will not protect, only intelligence can protect, simply put,
[00:11:00] if they know, and if
[00:11:03] there are no own intelligence officers, spies, simply put, in those
[00:11:06] structures, at the highest levels
[00:11:09] of enemy intelligence, who simply know about these operations, they will be able to
[00:11:13] warn, then
[00:11:16] in another way, to protect any person, well, let's remember another
[00:11:20] Hollywood movie, the same movie The Jackal, that a political
[00:11:23] person of that level, to protect
[00:11:26] completely 100%, if there is a decision
[00:11:30] of the special services to destroy him, it is practically impossible, practically impossible,
[00:11:33] unfortunately, patient, and I wanted
[00:11:36] to ask you about another intelligence, because
[00:11:39] after yesterday's reaction
[00:11:43] to Diesel Show from Donald
[00:11:46] Trump, there was a refutation,
[00:11:49] a denial, and others, on the contrary, began
[00:11:53] to confirm it, well, the freshest from...
[00:11:56] we found out that nevertheless, at
[00:11:59] the meeting in Miami, yes Donald Trump's son-in-law and
[00:12:02] his partner in
[00:12:05] "Buy-Sell," that is, they were
[00:12:09] actually engaged in, well, such
[00:12:12] an ultimatum, that is, this ultimatum consisted
[00:12:15] in that, if you do not obey
[00:12:19] Donald Trump and his friend Putin, and do not stop strikes
[00:12:23] on oil refineries, we will cut off intelligence data, in
[00:12:27] confirmation of this publication,
[00:12:29] also added his two cents and
[00:12:33] the favorite, the non-systemic favorite
[00:12:36] of Donald Trump, Elon Musk, who said that
[00:12:39] Zelensky crossed
[00:12:42] the line, did not listen to Donald Trump and so
[00:12:46] on, that is, is there a risk that we will immediately lose
[00:12:50] two very important components of American
[00:12:53] intelligence data. which the defense forces also work on,
[00:12:57] and what's more, if Elon Musk gets up on the wrong foot again and
[00:13:01] there will be problems with Starlinks, or is this
[00:13:05] just part of the information-psychological
[00:13:08] influence of the American political establishment within the framework of their election campaign,
[00:13:11] in reality, we are not
[00:13:22] Show, well, a good group, sometimes you can
[00:13:25] even watch them with joy, the fact is that
[00:13:29] such a quantity of oil that is planned to be transferred and that it
[00:13:32] will arrive, if tankers calmly arrive in the United States, it
[00:13:35] will not significantly affect it, this is approximately how much
[00:13:39] there, a million, several millions, this is for one or two days, if I'm not
[00:13:43] mistaken, they calculated a maximum of three days, to provide
[00:13:46] American gas stations with such oil for the entire
[00:13:49] period until April, I don't think that I'm not
[00:13:53] talking about diesel, we're talking about diesel already. We've told a lot there, for 16
[00:13:56] hours of work of all that was contracted, moreover,
[00:14:00] it's not needed by America, and it doesn't affect
[00:14:03] I'm not talking about diesel, I'm talking about the diesel show that launched the whole mechanism
[00:14:07] of threats to deprive Ukraine of
[00:14:10] American intelligence data, that's what worries
[00:14:12] us more, you know, there have already been cases when we did not
[00:14:16] use American intelligence data, it negatively affected
[00:14:19] our capabilities, but it does not mean that we, that this will be
[00:14:23] a defeat in the war, this.
[00:14:25] Yes, for us, it increased, unfortunately, our losses, we
[00:14:28] had to cancel the Kursk operation when we stopped
[00:14:32] receiving this data, but American data, let them not
[00:14:35] lie, we exchange data, there is a lot, and now it is estimated
[00:14:39] 50/50, we transmit a lot of data that is extremely important for them,
[00:14:43] data about Russia, about their actions and so on, so let
[00:14:45] them not talk so pompously, and
[00:14:49] these phrases,
[00:14:52] Elon Musk's, that they did not listen to
[00:14:56] Trump, I think that Elon Musk is not Trump's friend and he
[00:14:59] just keeps his ear to the ground, considering that
[00:15:02] Trump is now president, in order to promote his business and become, he has already
[00:15:06] become a trillionaire under Trump,
[00:15:09] he needs to support him in some way,
[00:15:12] when, but Musk declared war on
[00:15:15] Putin, now he says that Zelensky has come
[00:15:19] and it's unclear, but I think that when everyone sees that these actions
[00:15:23] of Trump's Diesel Show lead to...
[00:15:26] a result, like any populist, then
[00:15:29] Elon Musk will quickly step aside from Trump, because nothing
[00:15:33] connects them, except that Trump,
[00:15:36] using Musk. as, well,
[00:15:39] support, let's say, unquestioning support for his own business,
[00:15:43] regarding intelligence, sale
[00:15:46] of weapons, there are three three
[00:15:48] levers, with which the United
[00:15:52] States can pressure us, and the first is
[00:15:55] weapons, transfer of weapons, well,
[00:15:59] roubles there, Greece, we transfer weapons, nothing, they sell them for
[00:16:02] European money, Europeans just shrugged their shoulders, that you don't
[00:16:06] supply Americans. You don't sell, you don't transfer, you sell for our
[00:16:10] money, this is the first thing, nothing, how can he pressure
[00:16:12] us, but I am sure that these contracts,
[00:16:16] and Trump cannot give an order to stop supplying weapons, that these
[00:16:19] weapons are bought by Europeans according to written contracts, there will be huge
[00:16:23] penalties and they explain to Trump to calm down,
[00:16:27] weapon manufacturers of the United States, this is the first, second, intelligence data,
[00:16:30] will there be or not, even if there won't be,
[00:16:33] well, we'll manage without it, there are European systems,
[00:16:37] Great Britain offers its own satellite ideas, well, we collected, Mr.
[00:16:41] Pretolo, we collected it for Saturday, let's just joke, we are one of the few
[00:16:45] space countries, we can launch and have launched satellites into space,
[00:16:48] commercial satellites, even before the full invasion, we
[00:16:52] have these capabilities, we let's take, for
[00:16:55] example, recent strikes, for the third, third
[00:16:59] time we attack, for example, Yandex data centers, on
[00:17:02] which a lot is tied in Russia, I understand that I am falling out, I understand
[00:17:06] that Mr. Ramashe.
[00:17:33] on the data center, this is us hitting precisely.
[00:17:37] We struck thanks to our own intelligence data, or did we,
[00:17:41] for example, rely on American intelligence for such a strike?
[00:17:45] That intelligence is not needed, we know where everything is,
[00:17:48] we need this data to correct the flight of our missiles and that's it,
[00:17:52] and to know where the powerful, dense
[00:17:56] Russian air defense systems are, air defense
[00:17:59] where they are moving, we think something about coordinates, coordinates are all
[00:18:03] known to the minute, to the second, well, degree, so
[00:18:06] there are no questions there. And regarding levers of influence, I
[00:18:09] wanted us to hear, you to hear our listeners,
[00:18:12] viewers, all these levers
[00:18:15] of influence,
[00:18:17] for Americans, well, we still have many years to be friends with America, and Trump has
[00:18:21] no more, and they and everyone, if all these, a2 are already
[00:18:25] involved, the third, I think we will cope with this somehow,
[00:18:28] then we have to listen to what Trump says,
[00:18:32] listen to Musk who says, and we did not listen to Trump, do they not
[00:18:36] understand that we will have to...
[00:18:47] He wants us not to strike, well, we met him
[00:18:50] halfway, once again, President Zelensky said, stop the Russians
[00:18:54] from hitting our
[00:18:56] facilities, then we might, might stop hitting
[00:18:59] oil refineries, right now we are talking, drones are flying over my head, they
[00:19:03] are flying, well, to one of
[00:19:05] our...
[00:19:09] to one of our thermal power plants,
[00:19:11] because, well, because I see where they are flying and from where, from where they
[00:19:15] are not meant to be destroyed, therefore the answer to whether we will or will not
[00:19:19] destroy oil refineries, we have already destroyed 51%
[00:19:22] of oil refineries, and out of the large 36 in Russia, we have destroyed
[00:19:25] 24, we will destroy all, burn all of them to hell,
[00:19:28] oil refining plants
[00:19:31] of the Russians, and whether Trump likes it or not,
[00:19:35] let's finally come to our senses. We have a new
[00:19:38] new game now, yes, let's, let's do it so that Trump likes
[00:19:42] it, because without Trump we are nowhere, yes we are somewhere without Trump,
[00:19:45] you understand, and once again the United States is not Trump, and we have
[00:19:49] quite strong support both in, first
[00:19:52] of all, in Europe and in the United States as
[00:19:55] well, so let's calm down, we, we
[00:19:58] have no obligation and desire, no desire for sure
[00:20:02] anymore, to please Trump and Kushner and
[00:20:06] Witkoff, without Trump. We can shoot down everything that
[00:20:09] flies, for example, over Kyiv now? We are
[00:20:12] doing this, Trump has nothing to do with it, Trump with
[00:20:16] his great understanding of how to launch
[00:20:20] 800 Pack-3 missiles against Shaheds, we have used
[00:20:24] 600 in total, during that time the Patriot complex, a great
[00:20:27] warrior, you understand, yes, we, we, we critically
[00:20:31] need a Patriot missile against ballistic missiles,
[00:20:34] but, well, listen, doesn't it
[00:20:37] seem to you that we are fighting not only Russia, but also
[00:20:40] other countries, maybe even the United States, what is this
[00:20:44] trip, Marco Rubio, the US
[00:20:47] Secretary of State to Greece, who agreed
[00:20:50] to give us 200 Pack-3 missiles, which are expiring,
[00:20:53] and after the trip they somehow
[00:20:56] started to change their minds, because they changed their mind, what is this, what is this
[00:20:59] pressure? Let's, let's calm down, the United
[00:21:02] States, they,
[00:21:06] a little earlier, three years ago, they were our
[00:21:09] allies, then they became mediators, and now it seems to me that
[00:21:12] they, that they are waging war, only not with soldiers, but
[00:21:15] with finances and other political pressures on the side of the Russian
[00:21:19] Federation, if this...
[00:21:32] we understood you correctly, that is, you connect it with the fact that, for example,
[00:21:35] we could have received a quite significant number
[00:21:38] of Patriot missiles for shooting down
[00:21:42] ballistic missiles, from
[00:21:44] Greece, but then Secretary of State Marco
[00:21:48] Rubio came, and... we won't get
[00:21:50] them anymore, no, it's unknown, but something became very difficult
[00:21:54] with this, well, we don't know all the details to the end, but the fact that
[00:21:58] it was almost agreed now, well,
[00:22:01] now, according to the information we have from
[00:22:04] open, semi-open sources, that something became very complicated, especially
[00:22:08] since the Greeks have no arguments, these missiles will be
[00:22:11] unusable in a week, well, we will use them, we will
[00:22:15] repair them, glue them with tape, nothing terrible, they will shoot down,
[00:22:19] that is, to say that these...
[00:22:23] for the defense of their own sky in a week, well, hypothetically, in a week, they have to remove them from
[00:22:27] service, how will they protect your sky in storage? That is, there are no arguments
[00:22:30] why not to hand over these
[00:22:33] missiles to us? Well, let's draw a conclusion, why
[00:22:37] did Rubio come to Greece, what did he, well, he met with
[00:22:41] the government, what did he want, and why did it become difficult with
[00:22:44] these missiles, once again, as of today, not America, but the current
[00:22:47] administration is not our friends, and this...
[00:29:19] My dad is a defender of Ukraine, he is a military man and now
[00:29:23] protects our Ukraine, my dad
[00:29:26] is a combat medic, he saves and
[00:29:29] treats wounded defenders. Dad
[00:29:32] is the best for me, dad is my hero,
[00:29:36] I love him very much and want him to return sooner, I
[00:29:39] really miss him, sometimes I can
[00:29:42] just cry
[00:29:45] when I think of him,
[00:29:48] I love him very much and wait for him every day, I
[00:29:52] love him very much, waiting for him home,
[00:29:55] thank you, dad, for protecting us,
[00:29:58] thank you, dad, thank you dad, thank
[00:30:02] you dad.
[00:30:27] In Ukraine, it is 5:00 PM and to your attention is the news release on Espreso TV
[00:30:31] channel. Iryna Koval is working for you in the studio and I will tell you about
[00:30:35] the main events for this time. In Kyiv, in parts of
[00:30:39] Obolonsky, Podilsky, Dniprovsky, Shevchenkivsky and
[00:30:42] Desnyansky districts, emergency shutdowns have been recorded
[00:30:46] due to the enemy's attack. This was reported by Det company. Currently,
[00:30:50] energy workers are working to restore power as soon as possible.
[00:30:54] According to the mayor of Kyiv, Vitali Klitschko,
[00:30:57] the enemy attacked the high-voltage during the day.