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[00:00:00] what you're doing, and we certainly want there to be a final
[00:00:03] convoy, but not because we no longer have the strength or
[00:00:06] desire to go to Ukraine, but because we will hear one day that
[00:00:10] that's it, the war is over, and evil
[00:00:13] is defeated. Thank you for this support, Mr.
[00:00:17] Oleksandr, thank you for what you also do. I would like to remind our viewers
[00:00:20] that the guests of our studio were Oleksandr Yatsyna, founder of the charity foundation
[00:00:24] "Mercy and Health", and Everard Van Zuylen, representative of
[00:00:28] B for Ukraine, who... help,
[00:00:32] bring cars to Ukraine that help save lives, these are
[00:00:35] reanimobiles, which are especially needed now in the
[00:00:39] east of the country. The 24th humanitarian convoy from
[00:00:42] Belgium. We thank our friends for such
[00:00:45] support. And let me remind you that you are now watching
[00:00:48] the main program on the Espresso TV channel. Olesya Vakulyuk, Roman Chaika, we are working
[00:00:52] in this studio for you. Now let's talk a little about how to preserve our
[00:00:55] past, which is necessary to understand
[00:00:59] who we are in our future. We will talk about preserving
[00:01:02] the memory, about the house- museum of Patriarch
[00:01:06] Mstyslav, which is currently being prepared for sale in Poltava.
[00:01:08] Patriarch Mstyslav Skrypnyk, for those
[00:01:11] people who may not be very familiar with the history of Ukraine,
[00:01:15] we will tell you who he is,
[00:01:18] the nephew of Symon Petliura, so this is
[00:01:22] Poltava region, we do not forget, there
[00:01:24] is finally a monument to the chief
[00:01:27] Otaman. Actually, yes, we will talk about this now with
[00:01:30] Valeriy Karpontsov, Doctor of Law, Professor of the Department of Law and
[00:01:34] Public Administration of KNBU, State Counselor of Justice of the third
[00:01:37] class and People's Deputy of Ukraine of the seventh and eighth convocations is already with us
[00:01:41] on the line. Mr. Valeriy, we welcome you. Hello,
[00:01:44] I welcome you, glad
[00:01:48] to see you. One clarification, I no longer teach at KNBU, but
[00:01:51] everything else is correct. Okay, we'll tell our guest
[00:01:55] editors. Nevertheless, you know,
[00:01:58] if you say now... well, a house, some house, an old
[00:02:02] house, standing somewhere in Poltava region, what difference does it make to
[00:02:05] all of Ukraine in the time of a full-scale invasion?
[00:02:08] Let's deal with this later, somewhere sometime, when the war
[00:02:11] ends. Why is this important? Why is it important to talk about this
[00:02:15] now and why is it important to preserve this house
[00:02:18] of Patriarch Mstyslav?
[00:02:21] Well, I am sure that most Ukrainians understand that this
[00:02:25] war is existential, it is for
[00:02:28] the survival of the Ukrainian nation. Ukrainians
[00:02:31] and Ukrainian identity,
[00:02:34] accordingly. That scoundrel Putin, he wants to destroy
[00:02:38] Ukraine as a state, and Ukrainians as a nation, in order to appropriate
[00:02:42] to himself what he wants to conquer not only
[00:02:45] materially, but also mentally. You know
[00:02:49] that Kyiv Rus bothers him
[00:02:52] because it is Kyiv, it is absolutely not
[00:02:56] Muscovite, and part of our spiritual history... and
[00:03:00] spiritual heritage is also an important, important foundation
[00:03:04] of our nation. Patriarch Mstyslav, as you have already noted,
[00:03:07] is our Ukrainian
[00:03:10] Patriarch. He, himself, in addition to being
[00:03:14] a clergyman, was also an active fighter for our
[00:03:17] restoration of independence during the times of
[00:03:20] the UNR, Ukrainian statehood. Yes, indeed, he
[00:03:23] is Symon Petliura's nephew, but in history he
[00:03:27] is more known not as a military ensign, but as a spiritual
[00:03:30] figure who is quite revered around
[00:03:33] the world, not only by Ukrainians. He was born in
[00:03:36] Poltava region, and this building, this house, in
[00:03:40] which he was born, you are showing it now. Indeed,
[00:03:44] it is not just a neglected house,
[00:03:47] which we see, unfortunately, like
[00:03:50] many things in our neglected
[00:03:53] history, but it is a symbol. When this house
[00:03:57] is destroyed, not just wood will be destroyed, not just...
[00:04:04] those windows, or curtains, a part of institutional memory will be destroyed. In order to
[00:04:07] prevent this from happening, this building must be preserved, and
[00:04:10] specifically preserved not just as a building, but as a museum.
[00:04:13] When you said that we have
[00:04:15] an existential conflict,
[00:04:19] and for Putin, as a Chekist,
[00:04:23] it is important to finally resolve the Ukrainian question. From this
[00:04:26] we saw the destruction of museums, the theft of
[00:04:29] our... monuments, the burning of books, and
[00:04:32] attacks on schooling. We understand all of this,
[00:04:36] but it was not Putin who brought the house-museum
[00:04:39] of Patriarch Mstyslav to this terrible state. And
[00:04:43] right away, who decided to
[00:04:47] sell it through an auction? That was also not
[00:04:50] Putin. Please answer these two questions. Well, that's why
[00:04:52] I drew attention, well, I'm trying
[00:04:56] to draw attention to myself in the first place... then to friends on
[00:05:00] social networks. Thank God, you
[00:05:03] responded and thank you sincerely for your initiative,
[00:05:06] because indeed, it was not Putin who destroyed it,
[00:05:10] it was us who neglected it, unfortunately.
[00:05:14] This house is on the balance sheet of municipal
[00:05:17] property of the city council, but the city council
[00:05:20] justifies the sale by saying that it cannot cope
[00:05:24] with arranging a museum, and therefore it is looking for a private
[00:05:27] owner. There are 75.5
[00:05:30] square meters of space, you can't arrange anything there except a museum.
[00:05:34] It needs to be a person, or
[00:05:37] perhaps a legal entity, but there must be
[00:05:41] an owner. The owner must be a patriot who would
[00:05:45] know what he is doing, or it would logically be for the church
[00:05:49] to take care of it. It's not a poor organization, we know that. Well,
[00:05:52] so...
[00:05:55] scenarios, Mr. Valeriy, look, there are three scenarios. You mentioned
[00:05:59] a philanthropist who understands and realizes this and will invest his
[00:06:03] funds. You mentioned a scenario where it's the church,
[00:06:07] with the money of the church community, but the question still remains, why
[00:06:10] in your opinion, didn't the city authorities do this with the municipal
[00:06:14] budget? I just love Poltava,
[00:06:17] I know it well. Well, when it was necessary to clean up, as
[00:06:21] they say, the two-headed eagles
[00:06:24] on the Moscow churches, there was money. When it was time to arrange
[00:06:28] the column of Peter the First, it was also
[00:06:31] all in gold and money. Yes, I mean all this
[00:06:35] cult of Russian history, the Battle of Poltava and everything else
[00:06:39] that Putin loves so much, there was always money for that.
[00:06:43] Well, this is really a shame, and
[00:06:46] our current activity is a struggle against
[00:06:49] inferiority, which, unfortunately, prevents us from preserving
[00:06:52] our shrines or our memory in a timely manner
[00:06:54] and keeping them in proper condition. This inferiority must be
[00:06:58] overcome, petty racism, this servitude, and perhaps
[00:07:02] then we will do everything on time. The city council,
[00:07:05] well, maybe a lot went to paving stones or indeed to something
[00:07:08] else, there is not enough for the museum. This also
[00:07:11] raises, well... many questions for
[00:07:14] the deputies, for the municipal community of Poltava
[00:07:17] as a whole, because after all, well, perhaps they know little
[00:07:21] about the patriarch, about his contribution to our
[00:07:25] spiritual historical heritage, and therefore they are silent, perhaps.
[00:07:28] I don't know, the state, I know that the Institute
[00:07:32] of National Memory is concerned about this issue,
[00:07:36] specifically Mr. Alforov, and perhaps, well, he is now
[00:07:40] trying to find state mechanisms to
[00:07:43] take it under the possible
[00:07:47] patronage of our Ministry of Culture, yes, well, God
[00:07:51] knows, but I am
[00:07:54] trying myself to find
[00:07:57] businessmen who took part in this English
[00:08:00] auction, which is ongoing, which ends, well, on
[00:08:03] October 28th, I think.
[00:08:06] It's a closed English auction, in order not to lose,
[00:08:10] you understand? I have seen a lot in
[00:08:13] my life, how under
[00:08:16] the guise of, you know,
[00:08:19] allocating land for the museum of the history of Kyiv,
[00:08:22] land was allocated supposedly for a museum, but then it turned out that it was just
[00:08:26] a company, and Chernovetsky allocated such land to
[00:08:29] his controlled structure on Khreshchatyk, and I saw that, and
[00:08:32] well, moreover, the private owner, he will acquire ownership of this building, he
[00:08:36] will not just immediately, well, like with Harry Potter's wand,
[00:08:40] create a museum, yes, it will take some time. We are currently
[00:08:43] at war. Will he do any
[00:08:46] actions, or not, or will it just collapse, and then
[00:08:50] the land will simply be freed up, you understand? I have
[00:08:53] seen, we have seen in Kyiv, this place where this house-museum stands,
[00:08:57] for Poltava, for people who are not from
[00:09:00] Poltava, how much it is, I don't know,
[00:09:04] for Poltava residents themselves, rather, we should have asked
[00:09:07] Poltava residents, they understand this issue better. For me, it's
[00:09:10] absolutely incomprehensible
[00:09:12] whether this is a desirable piece for development, but in Kyiv I have seen dozens
[00:09:16] of times, and Roman will not let me lie either, when
[00:09:20] buildings burned, and Zelensky's estate,
[00:09:23] Zelensky's, also such an interesting,
[00:09:26] yes, here's a parallel. It was
[00:09:30] a historical building, it burned down, and now there will be construction
[00:09:33] on its place. This is from recent times, dozens
[00:09:36] burned down, and such a practice unfortunately operates here, no one
[00:09:40] bears responsibility, and therefore I am ringing all the bells I can.
[00:09:44] And I also wanted to once again call on the church to address Epiphanius, I don't
[00:09:48] know, I sent a message to Metropolitan Zari
[00:09:51] on an old phone, but there is no answer from him. Well, maybe
[00:09:55] I will tell him after our conversation, possibly,
[00:09:58] possibly. In
[00:10:00] 2021, I know the local diocese
[00:10:04] was collecting something at an auction, collecting money. Well,
[00:10:07] then it was obviously the Kyiv Patriarchate, but it's funny, they collected 5 thousand
[00:10:11] hryvnias. Well, judging by the condition of the house,
[00:10:14] where did the 500 hryvnias go?
[00:10:18] It's really terrible, well, I'm in shock myself. Your
[00:10:21] colleague is shaking her head, I really feel like crying.
[00:10:26] We are short on time, but I hope that we have been
[00:10:29] heard. We also ask everyone who can help. You mentioned
[00:10:32] the Institute of National Memory, the government might find something,
[00:10:35] 100 million was found
[00:10:38] for the single telethon, so maybe they could allocate something here. In
[00:10:42] short, we ask all people of good
[00:10:45] will to respond to this story, but I wanted to ask you only one thing:
[00:10:49] do you see that the situation has changed? Because this
[00:10:52] is a very Poltava... a tricky story. We saw
[00:10:56] resistance, resistance, for example,
[00:10:59] to honoring the memory of Hetman Ivan Mazepa,
[00:11:03] a Poltava native. We saw resistance regarding Petliura, a Poltava native.
[00:11:07] Has the situation changed now, when
[00:11:10] we are again talking about the native of Poltava,
[00:11:13] Patriarch Mstyslav? Has anything
[00:11:16] changed in people's minds? Well, I think the condition of this
[00:11:20] building speaks for itself about what's in people's minds.
[00:11:23] That's all, unfortunately. Mr. Valeriy, thank you for sounding the alarm.
[00:11:27] You initiated such an important matter. Valeriy
[00:11:30] Karpontsov, Doctor of Law,
[00:11:33] a politician, People's Deputy
[00:11:36] of Ukraine.
[00:11:39] Yes, we talked about the house-museum
[00:11:42] that can be sold in Poltava. This is the house-museum
[00:11:46] of Patriarch Mstyslav, and this might even be a good decision. The main thing
[00:11:50] is who will control it so that it doesn't become a targeted demolition
[00:11:54] of the house-museum.
[00:12:03] We must do everything possible to preserve it, because it is the preservation of our identity,
[00:12:07] which Vladimir Putin is trying to destroy. Yuriy Romaniuk,
[00:12:11] expert on international issues, head of the all-Ukrainian public organization "Ukraine in NATO," is with us
[00:12:14] on the line. Mr. Yuriy, we greet you. Hello, good
[00:12:17] evening, Mrs. Lesia, Mr. Roman, glad to see you. They didn't let us calmly conduct
[00:12:21] the program, they just poked something with a finger
[00:12:25] in the trash, and now we can't understand if it's true or
[00:12:28] false. The world of fantasy says that there is an energy
[00:12:32] truce between Ukraine and Russia, two sides allegedly
[00:12:36] agreed to it. In short, well, Zelensky
[00:12:39] replied that he hears about it for the first time, it's very strange to
[00:12:42] hear. This means that Washington and Moscow agreed on something
[00:12:45] behind Kyiv's back, and if it's
[00:12:48] true, then Ukraine is allegedly ready to support an energy
[00:12:52] truce on condition that Russia does not destroy
[00:12:55] energy facilities inside Ukraine. If
[00:12:58] Russia does not destroy energy
[00:13:01] facilities inside Ukraine, well, we understand that this is again
[00:13:05] another statement by Trump, not
[00:13:08] yet confirmed by any facts and evidence, and
[00:13:12] Ukraine... Mr. Yuriy, the Americans at
[00:13:16] this very moment, as they say, while we are asking you, Axios
[00:13:19] found out, and
[00:13:22] Axios writes, Zelensky stated
[00:13:25] that he first heard about the cessation of attacks on energy infrastructure, which
[00:13:29] Trump announced, well, actually
[00:13:32] from the media.
[00:13:35] Well, this is the story, he married me without me, and here
[00:13:39] Ukraine finds out that it agreed on something, and the Iranians also
[00:13:42] learn a lot from Trump's statements that they agreed on something, that they want
[00:13:46] peace, and we heard a lot from Trump that Putin very
[00:13:50] much wants peace and an end to the war, so these statements should be
[00:13:54] treated not even philosophically, but
[00:13:57] clinically. But what is Trump counting on
[00:14:00] when he makes such statements? Is he making them
[00:14:04] for us, for the Russians, or is he making them for his
[00:14:07] voters again? He is making them, you correctly said, for November
[00:14:11] 3rd. His rating has fallen to 30-31%,
[00:14:14] in Congress the gap between Democrats and
[00:14:18] Republicans is in favor of Democrats, sociology
[00:14:21] shows at least 9 to 11%.
[00:14:25] Percentage points, I emphasize, this means that the difference in mandates will be
[00:14:28] more than 40 mandates. Currently, there are only four mandates,
[00:14:31] Republicans defeat Democrats in the current Congress, in
[00:14:35] the next one, Democrats may defeat Republicans
[00:14:38] by 40-45 mandates, this is what it means in terms of
[00:14:42] absolute numbers. Therefore, this is and
[00:14:45] Republicans will most likely completely lose the Senate,
[00:14:49] meaning Democrats will take full
[00:14:52] control of both the Senate and Congress. Houses.
[00:14:56] And as soon as they take the oath in the first week
[00:14:59] of January 2027, the new parliament will
[00:15:03] adopt new laws, including one that will cancel
[00:15:07] this agreement, it is unclear
[00:15:10] what the legal status is between Trump and Putin,
[00:15:13] between Washington and Moscow regarding the purchase of diesel,
[00:15:17] because the current legislation, which
[00:15:20] was adopted back in 2022,
[00:15:23] literally within the first weeks, months of the war, during
[00:15:27] Biden's cadence,
[00:15:30] directly prohibits the US from buying any oil
[00:15:33] and oil products from Russia, if Russia
[00:15:37] does not fulfill a whole list of corresponding requirements. This is not the case, and now
[00:15:41] both chambers of the US Congress
[00:15:44] have prepared bills that they must
[00:15:47] vote on, which will completely negate these statements by Trump and this
[00:15:51] agreement by Putin, which will not allow, in essence, in
[00:15:54] the US it is impossible to even clear customs, what they say, that tomorrow a
[00:15:57] tanker will arrive allegedly with diesel fuel from Russia, which
[00:16:01] left back on September 18,
[00:16:04] September 23, but it's not with diesel, Mr. Yuriy, there is already...
[00:16:07] Yes, let me, let me finish.
[00:16:11] Allegedly, I said allegedly with diesel, in fact, there are no
[00:16:15] yellow documents, no documents confirming that it is diesel, they even say
[00:16:18] that it could be mineral fertilizers. So, on September 19,
[00:16:22] Trump signed, by the way, so that our
[00:16:25] viewers know, the Lindsey Graham law. That is,
[00:16:29] the day before signing the Lindsey Graham law,
[00:16:33] Trump agreed with Putin, already knew that Russia from Leningrad
[00:16:36] was sending to the United States of
[00:16:40] America a tanker, well, most likely with mineral fertilizers, and
[00:16:43] now Trump calls it fuel, diesel
[00:16:46] fuel. He wants to allegedly calm down his voters three weeks before
[00:16:50] the catastrophic defeat in the midterm elections. His
[00:16:53] rating is very low, within 30-31%
[00:16:57] support, this is an absolute failure of all candidates from
[00:17:00] the Republicans, who are now distancing themselves, conducting
[00:17:03] their election campaigns from Trump's name and not showing their
[00:17:06] photos anywhere. With Trump, but leading their election
[00:17:10] campaign independently, so as not to
[00:17:12] fail, and all key Republican
[00:17:16] states, including Texas, may for
[00:17:19] the first time in 100 years, uh,
[00:17:23] where Democrats can win in districts that they have never won in over 100 years,
[00:17:27] meaning this is a huge catastrophe for Republicans and for Trump, so he
[00:17:30] made this whole deal with Putin. In fact,
[00:17:34] he is not going to buy any diesel fuel from Russia, because... the USA
[00:17:38] is the largest exporter of diesel fuel in the world, they
[00:17:41] sell the most diesel fuel to Europe,
[00:17:45] Russia, which does not have diesel fuel, or at some point did not have it,
[00:17:48] even bought from South Korea, not, I emphasize, not
[00:17:52] North, but South, that is, a democratic
[00:17:55] republic, and they bought fuel there,
[00:17:58] which Korea itself does not have a single liter of oil, that is,
[00:18:02] Korea itself buys oil somewhere, oil products, processes
[00:18:05] them itself, and sells them to...
[00:18:08] Russia. And at the same time, Putin agrees to
[00:18:12] help Putin, but I want to say, Mr. Roman, if you allow me, the most
[00:18:15] important quintessence of all this absurdity in which we live, so that
[00:18:19] viewers understand, this is not about diesel fuel, this
[00:18:22] is about preventing Trump from imposing
[00:18:26] sanctions against Russia on October 18,
[00:18:28] against the background of Putin helping Trump and
[00:18:32] Republicans win the midterm elections, how much
[00:18:35] this can help and be accomplished. Trump
[00:18:39] does not want to implement the Lindsey Graham law. In order not to implement the Lindsey
[00:18:43] Graham law, which should essentially automatically
[00:18:46] enter into force 30 days after its signing, which
[00:18:50] expires on October 18, I emphasize, in 8 days,
[00:18:53] in 7 days, in a week, next Sunday, he
[00:18:57] wants, they instigated this conversation behind
[00:19:01] Ukraine's back, where we were used blindly, that
[00:19:04] Russia will allegedly supply oil products to the US market,
[00:19:07] and against this background, to imitate the negotiation process between Russia and
[00:19:11] Ukraine, and on this, at the initiative of Trump, of course,
[00:19:14] his cabinet of Republicans, and against this background, they want to show,
[00:19:18] well, how can we, against this background, when Russia is helping the US with
[00:19:22] diesel fuel, when they started peace talks between
[00:19:25] Russia and Ukraine about at least an energy truce, how can
[00:19:29] we impose sanctions against Russia on October 18?
[00:19:33] This is what this whole play is for, not for...
[00:19:36] Are we already on the verge
[00:19:46] of World War III, as for example, a Republican congressman
[00:19:49] warns, that not supporting Ukraine
[00:19:53] leads to World War III, because you know how those
[00:19:56] prices will be, whether rednecks will understand how
[00:20:00] the price of diesel is formed in America and on whom it
[00:20:03] depends, what Trump writes, how it will affect
[00:20:07] anyone, these
[00:20:11] desires of his and so on. But what
[00:20:14] do all his insane actions and
[00:20:17] statements mean for us?
[00:20:21] Everything that happens is for the best. Trump
[00:20:25] with his policy is essentially destroying the Republican party, he
[00:20:28] leads to the triumph of Democrats in Congress and
[00:20:31] the Senate, who, I emphasize, so that our viewers clearly
[00:20:35] understand what will happen in 3 months. Let's live by January
[00:20:38] 2027. They will vote in Congress,
[00:20:42] because only Congress adopts laws related to funding, and
[00:20:46] Democrats, together with, most likely,
[00:20:49] demoralized Republicans, with those remnants that will be in
[00:20:52] Congress, will vote for allocating Ukraine a minimum of
[00:20:55] 30-40 billion dollars in military and financial aid
[00:20:59] to Ukraine. Therefore, this is a huge victory, and Trump will not be able to
[00:21:02] prevent this, because Democrats, most likely with the remnants of
[00:21:06] Republicans, will fully have 2/3 of
[00:21:10] Congress in the United States of America
[00:21:13] and will not be able to block anything. Moreover, Republicans will vote,
[00:21:17] because Democrats will not vote for Republican projects and will not
[00:21:21] finance their Republican states, and they
[00:21:24] will be forced to put up with it, provide aid to Ukraine, and Trump
[00:21:28] will be forced to sign it, especially since by the time he signs
[00:21:31] this law on aid to Ukraine, he will be under
[00:21:35] numerous impeachment accusations, at least
[00:21:39] under three to five articles of the criminal codes
[00:21:42] of the United States of America. Therefore, he will no longer care about Ukraine, and
[00:21:46] Ukraine will win in the long run. Therefore,
[00:21:50] today Trump is creating a positive springboard for
[00:21:53] Ukraine's victory, but they don't understand it yet. He
[00:21:56] uses Russia to have Putin save him in the midterm
[00:21:59] elections, but Republicans and Democrats both know this, they
[00:22:03] all see and clearly understand and read this, but all this
[00:22:07] will not help them. Therefore, Ukraine must stand, at
[00:22:10] least until January 2027, when there will be a new Congress and Senate in
[00:22:14] the United States of America, and then you will see how the pendulum
[00:22:18] will swing completely
[00:22:20] in the other direction in favor of Ukraine against Russia, when Russia will really
[00:22:24] begin to be torn apart by the new Congress and
[00:22:27] Senate. Yes, and literally to confirm your
[00:22:31] words, Laura Loomer - she's a mega
[00:22:34] blogger, but unlike all those
[00:22:37] redneck bloggers, she visited
[00:22:40] Ukraine and saw how much the idiocy in
[00:22:44] Carlson's blogs or on Fox
[00:22:47] News differs from reality, and she wrote: people
[00:22:50] want elections in Ukraine, then they should pressure Putin. She
[00:22:53] wonders why we suddenly, why
[00:22:57] more people are angry at Zelensky than at Putin, she
[00:23:00] writes. He is the source of every problem, and when the war ends, there will be
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[00:29:47] Black Box. This is the format, the podcast, in which
[00:29:51] we analyze important social events,
[00:29:54] statements. We also delve into historical
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[00:30:01] is happening. And of course, we cannot do this deep analysis
[00:30:05] without Vitaliy Portnikov, and Vitaliy is here with me today. Greetings
[00:30:08] to you. Greetings. So, last week we
[00:30:11] actually heard a lot of different statements regarding
[00:30:15] the peace plan, regarding negotiations of different
[00:30:18] formats, and some of them, these statements were very loudly
[00:30:22] discussed in society. We will analyze all
[00:30:25] the proposals in detail, compare them with
[00:30:29] reality, let's say, yes. And here is my first question.
[00:30:32] For a start, a short one, what do you generally associate
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[00:30:40] perhaps there are some external factors, perhaps internal factors, or
[00:30:44] is it still some kind of inspired wave?
[00:30:48] I think there are always politicians who
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[00:30:55] a hidden electoral niche, now it is clear that
[00:30:58] people are in favor of negotiations, not that...