ESPRESO — broadcast 20261011 183000 UTC 522 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] I literally saw Anna a few days before her murder, [00:00:03] and we were just discussing what else they could [00:00:07] come up with, what else they could do. [00:00:10] So, I would [00:00:14] say, in Russia, it's a tradition to [00:00:17] come up with something for his birthday that [00:00:20] he would like. Everyone can [00:00:24] give a gift to the President [00:00:27] of Russia in their own way. For example, some [00:00:31] services that ensured the death [00:00:33] of Politkovskaya, [00:00:36] even from Grozny, they believed that he would like Anna's [00:00:39] death. [00:00:44] The army that is devoted to him, the generals for whom he [00:00:47] started the war, you understand that war for a general is happiness, because [00:00:50] these are financial flows, these are new ranks, these are new [00:00:53] orders. Therefore, they are immensely grateful to him for the opportunity [00:00:57] to fight, [00:00:59] because... we will strike Kyiv to celebrate his [00:01:03] birthday. So it's no coincidence at all, don't even [00:01:07] doubt it. It's just, you see, we have this idea that Russians [00:01:10] nightmare us on our holidays. They [00:01:14] don't give a damn about our holidays, because they don't consider [00:01:17] Ukraine a state at all, so some of our holidays don't [00:01:20] interest them, their own [00:01:22] holidays interest them. The first main holiday of a Russian official [00:01:26] is the leader's birthday, Putin's [00:01:29] birthday. The next important day is [00:01:33] Soviet Army and Navy Day, [00:01:36] February 23rd, which is now Russian Army Day, but it doesn't [00:01:40] matter, we understand that it's a Bolshevik day, and I will remind you [00:01:44] that it was after February 23rd, [00:01:46] 2022, that Russia [00:01:50] attacked Ukraine, it happened on the 24th, but the President of Russia [00:01:53] spoke on the night of February 23rd to 24th, [00:01:57] they celebrated and left. And this was also [00:02:00] a gift, that we would celebrate Soviet Army Day, and [00:02:04] then, then we would seize [00:02:07] Ukraine, "Burn fascist grenade from a Soviet soldier," as [00:02:10] the President of Russia recently said during one of his speeches. That's all the [00:02:14] logic, petty people who, like they used to [00:02:17] launch spacecraft on dates, and [00:02:21] despite the fact that it could be unprepared technology and people [00:02:24] died as a result of these launches, that's how attacks are carried out [00:02:27] on peaceful cities now. Yes, on his [00:02:31] birthday. [00:02:34] I think each leader has his own values. We used to [00:02:37] laugh at one of Putin's predecessors, General [00:02:41] Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Leonid Brezhnev, [00:02:44] that he always wanted to be a Hero of the Soviet [00:02:48] Union on his birthday. When he died, he was a four-time Hero of the Soviet Union and a Hero [00:02:51] of Socialist Labor, five gold stars, a record. But [00:02:55] now I think, maybe it's better to want awards, like Brezhnev or [00:02:58] Trump, than to want to kill people, you understand? Not just [00:03:02] people, meaning [00:03:04] 20 years ago he wanted a journalist [00:03:07] to be brought [00:03:09] to him, whom he could devour, and now he [00:03:13] just devours [00:03:16] infants [00:03:18] seven a day, and I don't know [00:03:21] what world art from [00:03:25] of depicting the type [00:03:28] of this monster, just. We once discussed in our [00:03:31] program Goya and Saturn, who devours his [00:03:34] son, that's [00:03:38] remembered, these are absolutely specific Caprichos [00:03:41] of Goya, but in terms of scale, it still doesn't quite reach, in [00:03:44] my opinion. [00:03:47] You want it to reach? This this is exactly what I don't want, I want [00:03:51] the world to be able to stop this monster and for him [00:03:54] to stop devouring Ukrainian infants. Let's talk [00:03:57] about that. Well... The NATO Military Committee [00:04:01] arrived in Kyiv for the first time in eight years. I think that in connection [00:04:05] with this increase [00:04:07] of Russian cannibalism, they talked about further [00:04:10] support, and for the first time in [00:04:13] the history of Ukraine and NATO, a meeting of the Ukraine-NATO Council [00:04:16] at the level of the Military Committee took place on the territory of Ukraine. In your opinion, [00:04:20] how important is this signal for Putin, and [00:04:23] is there a way through this [00:04:27] direction of Ukraine-NATO relations to bind, a way [00:04:31] to intensify this partnership for [00:04:33] victory? You know, I think the most important thing to [00:04:37] think about is how much such meetings affect [00:04:41] hardware, in our case, air [00:04:45] defense, and the possibility of new [00:04:48] supplies of new weapons for the army, but now [00:04:52] the rear is the most important issue that needs to be resolved, why, because the army [00:04:55] is actively [00:04:58] deterring the enemy, it has achieved success, it has, in fact, [00:05:01] blocked the Russian offensive to this day, and the [00:05:05] rear is now the most vulnerable [00:05:09] part of this war. I have repeatedly said that the goal of the President of [00:05:13] the Russian Federation is to turn the cities of Ukraine into [00:05:15] ruins. Even if it is not possible to seize this [00:05:19] territory, Putin wants to throw Ukraine and its development back [00:05:23] 50-100 years, and this should be an excellent [00:05:26] example for all those to whom Russia will make its [00:05:30] integration proposals in the future. Do you want it to [00:05:33] be like in Ukraine, or join [00:05:36] us? That is, Ukraine is not just a training ground, it is also [00:05:39] an example of how not to behave with Russian [00:05:43] proposals for annexation, therefore, the more ruins there are in [00:05:46] Ukraine, the more successful Putin's policy in the post-Soviet [00:05:50] space in Central Europe will be in the [00:05:53] future. So we [00:05:57] need to achieve opposite [00:06:00] goals? [00:06:03] It all depends on how much our allies can help us with [00:06:07] air defense during such a crisis period in their own [00:06:10] development, because you understand that NATO as an alliance is in a deep [00:06:14] crisis, in a [00:06:15] deep one. [00:06:18] On the one hand, the United States still cannot decide which [00:06:21] NATO obligations they [00:06:25] are willing to fulfill and which they are not, we don't even understand how [00:06:28] seriously Article Five [00:06:30] of NATO works. The United States is constantly [00:06:34] thinking about withdrawing troops from Europe and [00:06:37] redeploying them to other regions of the world, thus clearly [00:06:41] demonstrating that if he attacks [00:06:45] Europe, Americans will not participate. This is the signal, much more serious than all [00:06:48] the trips of officials to Kyiv, all together. And [00:06:52] third, that Americans [00:06:54] are organizing [00:06:56] meetings on NATO reform, [00:07:00] from some NATO countries, some countries are not invited, [00:07:04] and they are precisely those countries that are [00:07:07] most vulnerable from the point of view of Russian expansion, and [00:07:11] which, by the way, spend exactly that part of the [00:07:13] budget on military needs that Donald [00:07:17] Trump demanded from them at one time during his first [00:07:21] term. And I said then, and I can only [00:07:24] repeat now, that all these demands of Donald Trump [00:07:26] actually have no meaning, [00:07:30] that it was all just talk, with which the American [00:07:33] president was preparing for the collapse of NATO. If he had been re-elected immediately for [00:07:37] a second term, it would have happened earlier, [00:07:40] but now it was postponed to Biden's presidency, and now it is being [00:07:44] implemented. [00:07:47] And as you can see, spending the budget, not spending anything, [00:07:51] none of the thoughts of the American leadership, this does not affect [00:07:54] it at all. [00:07:57] Vitaliy, I'm also thinking about, after all, which, if we [00:08:01] return to the artistic theme, which monster Putin reminds me of, [00:08:04] then I think that he is closest to those [00:08:07] hellish pictures that Bosch [00:08:11] depicted on his... [00:08:14] uh paintings, and he, moreover, I can already tell you that [00:08:17] this is not that scale, why this, he is still, every day he is [00:08:21] such a small dog with a bird's beak and duck's feet, who [00:08:24] pricks someone with these needles, or [00:08:28] a black monkey with thorns, or [00:08:32] some other monster, but we must remember [00:08:35] that, in fact, Bosch's main idea [00:08:38] was that hell will fall, just like... [00:08:43] other philosophers and artists and generally the very idea of Christianity [00:08:46] is based on this, and [00:08:49] actually, I would like this hell to fall as soon as possible. By the [00:08:53] way, what do you think is happening with this [00:08:57] mysterious story about the plague in [00:08:59] Siberia? This is another birthday gift [00:09:03] for Putin. Let's recall that for the third time in a week, the European [00:09:07] Commission is trying to get information from Russia about [00:09:10] what is happening with the outbreak of the plague in Siberia, where [00:09:14] on the one hand, supposedly one employee of the [00:09:17] anti-plague institute fell ill and died from it, due to [00:09:21] some broken test tube, and on the other hand, the WHO is already trying [00:09:24] to find out whether their data on [00:09:27] another employee's illness is confirmed. Well, and the United States is also trying [00:09:31] to get information, although they claim that they are in communication [00:09:35] with their Russian colleagues on this topic, but on the other hand, Kennedy [00:09:39] Airport in New York, where most flights from this direction arrive, [00:09:42] has already created its own medical point and is, so to speak, [00:09:45] preparing. Well, this is an interesting story as well, to what extent it [00:09:49] can become a black swan [00:09:51] in these plans of the Kremlin for global [00:09:55] expansion? Well, I don't think there will be any black swans here, because in any [00:09:59] case, some large-scale epidemic, [00:10:02] if you take into account that it is outside the European part of Russia, it is unlikely to be in [00:10:05] the European part, possibly, but we already have an official answer from [00:10:09] Russian authorities, is there no plague at all? [00:10:13] There is not a single person who has contracted the plague, the employee about whom [00:10:16] they spoke, that is, the female employee, according to the [00:10:20] Ministry of Health of the Russian [00:10:22] Federation, died of [00:10:25] community-acquired [00:10:27] pneumonia. I don't know what that means, frankly, this [00:10:31] term, it's also interesting, what is community-acquired, [00:10:34] well, it's pneumonia that you can [00:10:36] contract [00:10:39] outside a medical facility. No, Vitaliy, I'm sorry, [00:10:42] but do you remember how long they hid, tried [00:10:45] to somehow camouflage the problem [00:10:48] of Chernobyl, when it exploded, and I also remembered that, that it is very [00:10:52] similar to Chernobyl. [00:10:56] But for us to be convinced of this, there needs to be at least [00:11:00] one confirmed case. [00:11:03] There is not a single confirmed case, officially confirmed case of plague in [00:11:06] the Russian Federation, there are only rumors and assumptions, [00:11:10] moreover, these are rumors and assumptions of such a scale that the President of the United States is forced [00:11:14] to respond to them, but have you noticed that the President of the Russian Federation [00:11:18] refuses to talk to him? [00:11:22] He hoped to congratulate Putin on his birthday. So you mean [00:11:26] that he didn't congratulate him not because his own cabinet refused, [00:11:29] but for other reasons, because Putin didn't [00:11:32] want to? Putin doesn't want to talk, [00:11:35] of course, and why? Putin doesn't want [00:11:38] to answer questions about why, maybe he just doesn't want to lie to Trump's [00:11:42] face. Putin understands that now Trump is interested in [00:11:45] his company, because people close to [00:11:49] Trump simply dream of buying these Lukoil shares, foreign [00:11:52] assets. Why should Putin rush with [00:11:56] this? He can marinate Trump at least until the midterm elections, and [00:12:00] then think whether to sell these shares to these people, or whether to wait [00:12:03] for others, on the one hand Lukoil, and on the other hand, also the Nord [00:12:07] Streams, which also, according to [00:12:10] the latest reports of the world press, [00:12:13] were discussed as a possible project that needs [00:12:16] to be revisited between Americans and Russians. [00:12:20] Oh, I think this is an absolute adventure. The people who write this don't even [00:12:23] understand what they're talking about. [00:12:25] All the Nord Stream lines that could have been used [00:12:29] are destroyed by the explosion, [00:12:32] they need to be repaired, permission from Germany needs to be obtained [00:12:36] for this, and so on. Well, in any case, you understand that repairing such [00:12:39] a gas pipeline is not a matter of one day. There is one [00:12:43] undamaged line, the so-called Nord [00:12:46] Stream 2. It was after this line was built [00:12:50] that the great Russian-Ukrainian war began, and it is [00:12:54] undamaged. Explosion, but it is also not licensed, [00:12:57] Maria. This was the same amazing story we were [00:13:01] talking about then. I thought Putin would start [00:13:04] the war after he got the licensing [00:13:08] for this gas pipeline, [00:13:11] but Putin turned out to be a person who was not interested in [00:13:14] licensing at all and believed that in case of a critical situation with [00:13:18] the Ukrainian gas transmission system, the West would launch [00:13:21] Nord Stream 2 without any licensing. And [00:13:25] Putin, by the way, spoke about this openly, because after there were [00:13:28] explosions on other Nord Stream lines, [00:13:32] Russia said: "Listen, we can absolutely calmly [00:13:35] pump gas through Nord Stream II." But this is impossible from [00:13:39] a legal point of view. And I think that now, under the current [00:13:42] German government, no foundations have been created for [00:13:45] Nord Stream 2 to be licensed, [00:13:49] so I don't understand what we're talking about at all. Well, under the current government, [00:13:53] of course, it's impossible, but here... an alternative for Germany is on [00:13:57] the doorstep, so anything can happen. The alternative for Germany does not have such [00:14:00] a number of votes in the Bundestag, even according to sociological [00:14:03] data, that would allow it to form a government capable of fundamentally changing [00:14:07] German foreign policy. This is another myth, [00:14:10] you see. [00:14:14] The alternative for Germany is currently the most popular party in Germany, but if we [00:14:18] look at the German electoral system, we will say [00:14:22] that it can have a large faction in the Bundestag, this is a problem. [00:14:25] But this is not a problem of power, it is a problem of Ukraine's [00:14:28] stability. Even if one imagines that [00:14:32] the Alternative for Germany will one day become a party with which other [00:14:35] political forces [00:14:37] will be willing to form a government, [00:14:40] it will have to listen to these political [00:14:42] forces. [00:14:44] The only real partner of the Alternative for Germany who is ready to support it [00:14:48] with at least votes, Sarah Wagenknecht's alliance, it is now [00:14:51] called differently, but the essence is clear. It does not yet have [00:14:55] a rating that would allow them to hope for the creation of their own faction in the [00:14:59] Bundestag. All other political forces, [00:15:02] the Christian Democratic Union of Germany, [00:15:04] the Social Democrats, [00:15:07] the Free Democrats, the Left, the Greens, are not [00:15:10] going to form governments with the Alternative for Germany, or support [00:15:13] it with their votes, therefore the coming of the Alternative for [00:15:17] Germany to power in Germany today looks more like [00:15:20] political fantasy. I'm not saying it won't change someday, but we are talking about the current state [00:15:24] of affairs. Well, let's say that despite [00:15:28] the obvious decline in sympathy and [00:15:31] trust [00:15:33] of Germans in the candidacy of Chancellor Merz. [00:15:37] Uh, which obviously concerns Ukrainians, because [00:15:41] Friedrich Merz supports Ukraine, he eventually came after these [00:15:44] last shellings to the Ukrainian capital, was at the scene of military [00:15:48] crimes of Russia, but [00:15:51] still, even if [00:15:54] Merz leaves, the closest, well, [00:15:57] three, two, let's say, main candidates who are being [00:15:59] considered as those who can replace him, they [00:16:03] are still from conservative political forces, [00:16:08] and they are not critics of [00:16:11] supporting Ukraine, these are Henrik [00:16:15] Wüst from the CDU and Markus Söder from [00:16:18] the CSU, so fundamentally nothing will change for [00:16:22] Ukraine. Nevertheless, even if we rely on [00:16:25] this, still returning to the Nord Stream [00:16:27] material [00:16:29] from Reuters about the negotiations, then such conversations can certainly [00:16:33] continue between Dmitriev and Kushner [00:16:39] and other negotiators from the United States. [00:16:43] Why not? But nevertheless, there is no confirmation of returning to [00:16:46] the implementation of these plans, this is also [00:16:49] true. Well, let's talk [00:16:52] about the negotiation track. Here there are also [00:16:56] many news this week, in particular, US Secretary [00:17:00] of State Rubio stated that, in his [00:17:04] opinion, the end of the Russian war in... [00:17:07] in Ukraine through diplomacy is [00:17:10] rather unattainable. Let's listen to the direct [00:17:13] speech. [00:17:16] The situation has reached a deadlock, and deadlocks are very dangerous, because [00:17:20] they end in only one of two ways. The first is [00:17:23] to achieve a negotiated settlement, in which each [00:17:26] side must give up something to achieve peace. We have already tried [00:17:30] and will continue to try to do everything possible to promote [00:17:34] a negotiated settlement and the end of this war. The second [00:17:38] way deadlocks end is escalation, one [00:17:41] side, or both sides intensify their [00:17:44] actions. Well, Vitaliy, [00:17:48] let's just say that Ukrainian [00:17:51] President Volodymyr Zelenskyy does not [00:17:54] consider negotiations to have reached a diplomatic stalemate [00:17:57] and says that, in fact, it is necessary [00:18:01] not to talk [00:18:04] with Russia, but to put pressure on it. What to expect from [00:18:08] the meeting of Ukrainian negotiators, [00:18:12] Ukrainian diplomats in the United States, and is it still possible, in your [00:18:15] opinion, this [00:18:18] return to pressure [00:18:21] through negotiations, or are other mechanisms [00:18:24] of influence on Russia needed, what mechanisms could these be? I believe that [00:18:28] the US Secretary of State is right, negotiations are indeed in [00:18:31] a stalemate. By the way, the German Foreign Minister also said this after [00:18:34] meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov. By the way, Rubio also met [00:18:38] with Lavrov. That is, unlike [00:18:42] Zelenskyy, Rubio and Wadepuhl have information [00:18:46] directly from the source, while Zelenskyy lives in a world of his own [00:18:49] perceptions, without direct contacts with the leadership of the Russian Federation. That's [00:18:53] the difference. [00:18:55] Rubio and Wadepuhl are witnesses to the fact that Russia is not going to fight [00:18:59] with Ukraine, talk, but is going to destroy [00:19:01] Ukraine. And there are no other intentions either with Putin, [00:19:05] or with the Russian leadership, or with the Russian army. I think [00:19:09] there will be none in the near future. So this is not a question of a negotiation process, there will be no [00:19:12] negotiation process, but it is a question [00:19:16] of how capable we will be of fighting back in the coming years [00:19:19] of Russian-Ukrainian confrontation, or we will not be capable of fighting back, and then Ukraine as [00:19:23] a state will disappear from the political map of the world, and most of its population will become refugees [00:19:27] in neighboring European countries. This is just a simple reality, [00:19:30] I hope we can fight back. The second [00:19:33] point, all these trips... [00:19:37] as we see, also have a completely different dimension. Now it's [00:19:41] absolutely obvious why Vidkov and Kushner went to Moscow and to [00:19:45] Kyiv. They went to Moscow exclusively to talk [00:19:48] with Putin about Lukoil assets. He caught [00:19:52] Trump and his entourage on this money hook. He was [00:19:56] always looking for some specific money, and eventually [00:19:59] Trump himself helped him when he imposed the so-called hellish [00:20:02] sanctions against Lukoil and Rosneft. I remember everyone [00:20:05] was so happy, oh Trump. Imposed sanctions for the first time, [00:20:09] well done! But these sanctions don't work, they [00:20:12] are postponed, no one has actually imposed these sanctions, [00:20:16] they were imposed and immediately postponed, postponed until what moment? Until [00:20:19] Lukoil sells its foreign [00:20:22] assets, and they are negotiating about [00:20:25] this with Vidkof and Kushner, because it's about [00:20:29] companies, about people who are close to Trump's son-in-law, to his friend, to [00:20:32] the administration, to people from the administration. This is [00:20:34] the reality, and they went to Moscow for this purpose, [00:20:38] to negotiate about this money, about these [00:20:41] shares, and talks about peace in Ukraine, first of all, don't [00:20:44] concern anyone, and secondly, they use these talks about negotiations for peace [00:20:48] to camouflage attempts to buy these Lukoil shares, that's all. [00:20:52] The visit to Kyiv was generally a camouflage. This is [00:20:55] very regrettable, but we have less than a minute left, I still want to ask [00:20:59] about the strikes of the Ukrainian defense forces on Russian [00:21:02] oil refining. The strikes of the Ukrainian defense forces, Maria, are what brings [00:21:06] any real negotiations much [00:21:08] closer than the trips of Vidkof and Kushner. The trips of Vidkof and Kushner have no [00:21:12] meaning at all, but the strikes of the defense forces do. I would say [00:21:16] that Vidkof and Kushner's trips with the intention of making money from... [00:21:20] those who continue the war. Most of the actions of Trump and his administration [00:21:23] continue the war, our actions stop it, seek, [00:21:27] create opportunities for its end. That's the difference, and [00:21:31] now, when Ukrainians are so worried that they [00:21:34] will be in darkness or cold [00:21:38] in winter, we must remember that we have someone to rely on, we have [00:21:41] international partners, we have a reconstruction plan, we [00:21:45] ultimately have friendly Poland, friendly [00:21:48] countries from the West, a friendly President of the European Commission, who is constantly [00:21:52] looking for ways to help us with European integration, about [00:21:56] which there is also good news this week. Who do those [00:21:59] Russians have, especially in the Russian hinterland, where it can also be [00:22:03] very dark and very cold this winter? [00:22:07] Putin needs to think about this first and foremost and it's time to curtail the war. [00:22:10] Thank you, Vitaliy, I wish he had thought about it sooner, because [00:22:14] the Ukrainian defense forces are not sleeping. 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[00:29:01] Good afternoon, Mariya Gurska, Ukrainian journalist and head of Slava. Together [00:29:04] with me, Pavel Koval, head of the Council for Cooperation with Ukraine. [00:29:08] Hello. Good afternoon. Let's start with the fact that Russia [00:29:11] is shelling Ukraine, killing children in peaceful [00:29:14] cities. And it is from these footage, how [00:29:18] a rescuer carries a child in just underwear, [00:29:21] because this shelling for Putin's birthday, the Russian [00:29:24] army treacherously carried out at night, when people [00:29:27] were sleeping in their beds, in Pryluky, in [00:29:31] Kremenchuk, in Kyiv. [00:29:40] Russia kills children, and this is the Kremlin's goal, to kill all [00:29:44] Ukrainians. Meanwhile, as a result of Russian [00:29:47] обстрілів у цілій низці регіонів, [00:29:50] particularly in Kyiv and Kyiv [00:29:54] restrictions on [00:29:55] supply are being introduced. [00:30:03] This has already started, it's only October, Ukrainian homes have been without [00:30:06] electricity for hours, so what [00:30:09] aid does Poland plan, military and energy, what are you [00:30:13] preparing for? [00:30:17] What we've been talking about in recent days, first, support, when it comes to [00:30:21] ammunition for F-16s, that was such [00:30:24] an urgent issue that the press wrote about, which is extremely important for protecting [00:30:27] the Ukrainian [00:30:28] sky.