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[00:00:00] people were injured, Many of them have an acute reaction. while
[00:00:04] since the beginning of the full-scale
[00:00:07] invasion, the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights confirmed the death of at least
[00:00:11] 16,431 civilians, including
[00:00:15] 83 children. Many people
[00:00:19] were injured. Does this indicate
[00:00:22] that the killings
[00:00:25] and injuries of civilians in Ukraine in
[00:00:28] the Russian-Ukrainian war are Russia's tactic?
[00:00:31] That it is not an accident, that
[00:00:34] it is a systematic killing or a planned
[00:00:38] killing by the Kremlin, and that this is one of
[00:00:41] the elements of this war in order to create pressure on
[00:00:45] the civilian population, in order to terrorize
[00:00:48] the civilian population, and that this pressure
[00:00:52] is unacceptable in the conditions of such
[00:00:55] a war.
[00:00:58] Yes, I absolutely agree with this.
[00:01:01] Not even just as a human rights activist,
[00:01:04] because I personally have not done any separate
[00:01:07] research on this matter, if we are talking about some
[00:01:10] mathematical accuracy, but as a citizen of Ukraine, as
[00:01:14] a Kyiv resident, I absolutely feel it on myself,
[00:01:18] my family feels it on themselves, and I think,
[00:01:21] excuse the banality, everyone is talking about it now,
[00:01:24] but the helplessness of the Russian
[00:01:27] Federation at the front, or let's say, the absence... of
[00:01:30] those achievements they are counting on, forces
[00:01:33] them to resort to terrorizing the civilian population.
[00:01:37] This is not something new for Russia, we all understand perfectly
[00:01:40] that this state, it
[00:01:43] has, let's say, no limitations
[00:01:47] regarding the killing
[00:01:49] of the civilian population. That is, even within the Russian Federation itself,
[00:01:53] there were conflicts, for example in Chechnya,
[00:01:56] where
[00:01:59] the civilian population was massively affected, there were forced
[00:02:02] disappearances, and executions, and in principle, some carpet
[00:02:06] bombings that led to civilian deaths. So this is not something
[00:02:09] new, but of course it looks like a tactic of warfare,
[00:02:13] and some things
[00:02:17] like double strikes, they also testify
[00:02:20] to this, I mean, this tactic, when
[00:02:23] a strikes occur at
[00:02:27] a place where there was a strike recently, in
[00:02:30] the hope that more civilians
[00:02:34] and representatives of
[00:02:37] services who go to the scene, right after the strike
[00:02:41] occurs and so on, will be affected. That is, again, this is not a new tactic that was
[00:02:44] used in Syria, our colleagues did
[00:02:47] research on this, and in fact this is already, this is already a proven
[00:02:51] fact by some
[00:02:53] research reports, so yes,
[00:02:57] and again, this is not a surprise to anyone, I think
[00:03:00] that in principle, this is no longer a secret to anyone,
[00:03:04] the question is how in the current conditions,
[00:03:08] and with this escalation that is currently happening with the United
[00:03:11] States, to save,
[00:03:14] to save us, I think that
[00:03:17] today and tomorrow, during the forum, this will be one of
[00:03:20] the key topics alongside some more
[00:03:23] global topics related to whether Europe
[00:03:27] is ready for this war. How to maintain
[00:03:31] Euro-Atlantic cooperation,
[00:03:33] coordination, and whether this is even
[00:03:37] possible. Yes, but saving Ukraine, it seems to me, is
[00:03:40] an unconditional priority now in
[00:03:44] the discussions, including at this platform.
[00:03:47] When, in particular, your colleagues, with whom you
[00:03:51] communicate from other countries, you have already noted that further west,
[00:03:55] there is a slightly different attitude, yes, but when you
[00:03:58] communicate with human rights activists from other countries, when
[00:04:01] we hear this analysis and this calculation from the United
[00:04:05] Nations, that is, they see that 47% of all
[00:04:09] civilian casualties are precisely due to long-range Russian
[00:04:12] strikes, and most of the victims are recorded far from the front
[00:04:15] line, in Ukrainian civilian cities, this is already a clear
[00:04:19] tactic, what with all this, what conclusion
[00:04:23] human rights activists and the UN can draw
[00:04:26] from this, what is their task in this sense in the organization?
[00:04:30] The United Nations' only task is to record, or do they have any
[00:04:33] proposed solutions, perhaps an appeal for more
[00:04:36] assistance there for
[00:04:38] Ukraine?
[00:04:41] Well, I wouldn't overestimate the
[00:04:44] importance of human rights organizations,
[00:04:48] or the UN, so, well, I don't want to
[00:04:51] repeat some, you know,
[00:04:55] skeptical moods or phrases about
[00:04:59] the UN, but... We all understand that in
[00:05:01] the conditions of the current composition of the Security Council
[00:05:05] and the paralysis
[00:05:08] with the possibility of UN reform, there is no significant
[00:05:12] progress to be expected, and
[00:05:16] I, for example, really like that
[00:05:18] finally the Ukrainian human rights sector, the Ukrainian
[00:05:22] human rights sector itself, it seems to me, this happened
[00:05:25] clearly after 2022, although, probably,
[00:05:29] it could have been more intense after 2014, they are not
[00:05:33] ashamed to talk about the need to provide Ukraine
[00:05:36] with military assistance, that is, it is not something
[00:05:38] unacceptable, as they say.
[00:05:42] That is, this is an absolute norm, Aleksandra Matviychuk, a Nobel
[00:05:46] Peace Prize laureate, also calls for this, and
[00:05:50] it seems to me, this is a very correct position, and well, this also gives
[00:05:53] an impetus for our
[00:05:57] Western colleagues, to be clearer in their
[00:06:00] formulations, more
[00:06:04] sharply demanding support
[00:06:07] for Ukraine, but again, I wouldn't
[00:06:10] overestimate the significance of the UN,
[00:06:14] nor human rights defenders, in general, because the key word now is still
[00:06:18] with the governments
[00:06:20] of our allied countries, which should maximally
[00:06:24] support Ukraine, and we know that with this there are also, well, let's say,
[00:06:28] there can be problems in connection with elections in
[00:06:31] European, in some European countries. I hope this
[00:06:35] won't happen, but this is, of course, our next
[00:06:39] challenge for the next year, which
[00:06:42] may, unfortunately, somewhat weaken us. Yes, well, and
[00:06:46] speaking of European partners, of course, I am now at the European
[00:06:50] platform, but I want to say that in just a week
[00:06:53] an event will take place in Kyiv with the participation of representatives
[00:06:57] of the Global South, these will be non- governmental representatives, these will be
[00:07:00] journalists, experts, but these are people whom we bring to
[00:07:04] Ukraine, who fortunately agreed to come
[00:07:07] even despite the worsening security situation,
[00:07:11] and I understand that now... against the background of what is happening, this
[00:07:14] seems, you know, somehow too
[00:07:17] strategic to work with the Global South, but still it needs to be
[00:07:20] done, and there, of course,
[00:07:24] the situation is much more complicated, many times more complicated,
[00:07:27] yes, but these are also UN member countries, these are representatives of UN member
[00:07:30] countries, we need their voices and we generally
[00:07:33] need to establish this dialogue, because for
[00:07:37] Russia this is now simply a base, yes, that is, they
[00:07:40] have a very strong position there.
[00:07:43] Well, and for us, in a strategic sense, it is also
[00:07:47] important to solicit this support, or, let's say,
[00:07:50] to deliver our messages there, to find
[00:07:54] allies there, to find understanding there, including
[00:07:57] parallels between some colonial experiences, between
[00:08:01] experiences of overcoming the consequences of armed conflicts,
[00:08:04] wars, overcoming corruption, and other challenges
[00:08:07] faced by the developing
[00:08:10] world.
[00:08:12] reports that Europe is preparing restrictions on the entry of Russians
[00:08:16] due to the threat of hybrid attacks, can
[00:08:19] this wall, which can
[00:08:23] be built on the border between Europe
[00:08:26] and Russia, somehow protect the world from
[00:08:29] Russian hybrid attacks and terrorist attacks, and
[00:08:33] obviously, it is not only about war
[00:08:37] criminals who are certified by
[00:08:40] the International Criminal Court and issued warrants, but also about
[00:08:44] civilians, or how to fight with Russians at all,
[00:08:47] are there good
[00:08:50] Russians and bad Russians, or should
[00:08:53] we react harshly to
[00:08:57] all Russians, since they represent a state that is
[00:09:00] terrorist in its essence?
[00:09:04] Ah, yes, well, there are many questions here, and
[00:09:07] probably this is a topic for a separate discussion, as
[00:09:11] for entry, so... we actually heard another
[00:09:14] statement a few days ago in support of the idea of
[00:09:18] restricting the issuance of tourist visas to citizens
[00:09:21] of the Russian Federation, I think this is the right decision,
[00:09:25] I, including as a person working in the human rights
[00:09:27] sector, fully support
[00:09:31] and share it, because we understand that
[00:09:34] well, this is a window of opportunity for
[00:09:38] potential, I don't know, saboteurs,
[00:09:41] spies, anyone. This does not mean that this will completely
[00:09:45] solve all problems, in my opinion, I am not a security
[00:09:48] specialist, but still, I understand
[00:09:52] that this will not solve all problems, but it will
[00:09:55] significantly help, it seems to me, to limit
[00:09:58] the potential flow
[00:10:01] of some such destabilizing elements
[00:10:04] to the countries of the European Union. It seems to me that now this is no longer
[00:10:08] a question of solidarity with Ukraine, it is a question
[00:10:12] of the security of the European
[00:10:15] Union itself, and this understanding is increasingly present,
[00:10:19] and that is why voices supporting
[00:10:23] such ideas are heard, because this is already becoming a question of the survival of the
[00:10:26] European Union itself, and as for
[00:10:29] Russian citizens in general,
[00:10:32] well, as I said earlier, although not without
[00:10:36] doubts today I agreed to take
[00:10:38] part in a panel with Garry
[00:10:42] Kasparov, who supports the Ukrainian army, absolutely
[00:10:46] openly, and that is, they organize
[00:10:49] collections, so, that is, it's not even some rhetorical support,
[00:10:53] well, I decided for myself that I can participate in
[00:10:57] an event on the same platform with such a person,
[00:11:00] yes, although not without doubt, again, I do not consider the presence
[00:11:03] in the same room with
[00:11:07] any other representatives of Russia, but for me
[00:11:10] it is a sanitary corridor, so to
[00:11:13] speak, a sanitary border, a sanitary line,
[00:11:17] therefore, but in general, I think that today's discussion will be
[00:11:21] very interesting, I am very interested to hear what our European...
[00:11:25] friends, and there will be representatives of very serious think tanks,
[00:11:29] influential people, what they generally think about the future of Russia, what
[00:11:32] red lines, generally, in
[00:11:35] order to accept
[00:11:38] any potential changes in Russia,
[00:11:42] yes, that is, in what form it should be and so on,
[00:11:45] and again, against the background of what is happening in
[00:11:48] Ukraine, it is also important for me to emphasize that
[00:11:51] let's talk first of all about how to support Ukraine. How
[00:11:55] to help Ukraine stand, and conversations about
[00:11:58] the future of Russia are also important and it is very important that the voice of Ukraine
[00:12:02] is present there, but nevertheless, these are now such,
[00:12:06] you know, some rhetorical exercises,
[00:12:09] but they are not a conversation now about realities, on the other
[00:12:13] hand, it seems to me that even now, well, it is very important for us
[00:12:16] to articulate that not all
[00:12:19] opposition, so, that is, these are already obvious things for us,
[00:12:23] yes, I'm afraid that here it's not for everyone. Obviously, not
[00:12:27] everyone who is against Putin is acceptable
[00:12:30] to us, even to be in the same room,
[00:12:33] yes, so yes, well, in fact,
[00:12:37] I think that as of now it is so, but
[00:12:41] - the more restrictions there are for representatives
[00:12:45] of the Russian Federation to enter the country, of course,
[00:12:48] the better. Thank you, thank you, Maria, for joining our
[00:12:52] broadcast, Maria Tomak, human rights activist. Head
[00:12:55] of the board of the public organization Media Initiative for Human
[00:12:59] Rights, we talked about the Warsaw Security Forum, where Maria
[00:13:02] is currently located, there will be discussions, also
[00:13:05] follow our
[00:13:08] broadcasts, what is happening on the air of
[00:13:11] Slava, because in a few hours the Supreme Commander-in-Chief
[00:13:15] of the Allied Armed Forces of NATO in Europe, Alexus
[00:13:18] Grinch Grinkevich will present at the defense forum in
[00:13:22] Warsaw a new alliance strategy, called
[00:13:26] the theory of victory, it provides for a rapid repulsion
[00:13:29] of a possible attack from Russia, as well as the use
[00:13:32] of innovation, what is known at this moment about
[00:13:36] the new plan, we have already discussed it on our air, let us remind you
[00:13:39] that a live broadcast will also
[00:13:42] be available today during the day on our air at
[00:13:45] 14:10, if I am not mistaken, until 14:40 Kyiv
[00:13:49] time, and this broadcast will also
[00:13:51] be available live on television.
[00:13:55] The press, well, and tomorrow, obviously, already
[00:13:58] in the morning, Kateryna and I will discuss this theory
[00:14:01] of victory with our experts and guests, I hope
[00:14:05] you will be interested to hear what exactly
[00:14:09] this theory of victory includes, what steps
[00:14:12] NATO predicts
[00:14:15] it will take
[00:14:17] and apply to avoid a large-scale war with
[00:14:20] Russia as a preventive measure. Well, in the meantime, we will talk about another event
[00:14:25] that took place on October 8-10 in
[00:14:28] Kyiv. This is about
[00:14:31] Donbas Media Forum 2026. This is
[00:14:35] a media forum that gathered media
[00:14:39] journalists, media managers, journalists,
[00:14:42] communicators who discussed
[00:14:44] actually current problems of the profession
[00:14:48] and established communications. Of course, it was about what
[00:14:51] the role of journalists is during the great Russian-Ukrainian
[00:14:55] war, and also the challenges faced by media and
[00:14:59] journalists in this difficult time.
[00:15:03] The main topics of discussion were collected for
[00:15:06] you by our colleagues in the material
[00:15:09] below.
[00:15:11] How not to lose a person amidst wars, political
[00:15:14] crises and the rapid development of artificial intelligence. This
[00:15:18] question became a cross-cutting one at the Donbas Media Forum
[00:15:21] 2026, whose information partner
[00:15:25] is the Slava TV channel. The leading theme this year is people,
[00:15:29] for people and about people. In addition, the participants spoke
[00:15:33] about European integration, editorial independence and
[00:15:36] financial stability.
[00:15:39] This year we thought about how to bring people back to the center,
[00:15:42] to the center of media discussion, to the center of the media agenda,
[00:15:46] because especially in recent years we have talked a lot about artificial
[00:15:49] intelligence, about hype, about the influence
[00:15:52] of technological giants and so on, and for us
[00:15:56] it seems very important to talk about people and to bring people back into
[00:15:59] focus. Special attention was paid to practical steps
[00:16:03] of media Eurointegration. Forum participants
[00:16:06] discussed how the co-regulation system works,
[00:16:09] a mechanism by which industry representatives jointly
[00:16:13] develop rules of work. In Ukraine, it has been in operation for
[00:16:16] a year, but different segments of the media market are progressing
[00:16:20] at different speeds. In Ukraine, we have four bodies
[00:16:24] of joint regulation. In the field, I will speak
[00:16:27] audiovisually, that is, television, audio, that is,
[00:16:31] radio, online and print. And
[00:16:33] we see that with different dynamics these bodies.
[00:16:37] are gradually developing their instructions
[00:16:40] and doing important things
[00:16:43] for the market. Experts also
[00:16:46] considered how EU membership will affect
[00:16:50] the work of the media, what new duties, rights and
[00:16:53] opportunities will appear for the media during Eurointegration,
[00:16:57] and also when the editorial offices will feel this influence and whether they are ready
[00:17:01] to adapt national
[00:17:04] legislation to EU requirements, it needs to be done before
[00:17:08] we join, so separate laws,
[00:17:11] draft laws, they are already developed, and
[00:17:15] will be adopted faster, and therefore certain rules can also
[00:17:18] come into effect faster. Another
[00:17:21] key direction of the forum is the work of Ukrainian media in
[00:17:24] the conditions of a full-scale war. Military units are increasingly
[00:17:28] actively, independently creating content and communicating with
[00:17:31] the audience, so journalists are no longer the only
[00:17:34] intermediaries between the front and society. At the same time,
[00:17:38] military communication and independent journalism
[00:17:41] have different tasks. Communication
[00:17:44] departments are largely staffed by civilians,
[00:17:47] just as at one time many civilians joined
[00:17:51] the Ukrainian army, and they changed the army, the army
[00:17:54] changed them, and they changed the army. The same thing
[00:17:58] is happening with communications. This
[00:18:00] is a strange, strange symbiosis of civilian experience
[00:18:03] and military experience today. A separate topic is the stories
[00:18:07] of Ukrainians who survived Russian captivity.
[00:18:11] Stories of released prisoners help draw
[00:18:14] attention to those who still remain in captivity. At
[00:18:17] the forum, they talked about how to cover such stories
[00:18:21] without exposing prisoners and their families to additional
[00:18:25] risks. The logic that we
[00:18:28] saw is very simple: if a person was public
[00:18:31] before falling into captivity, then this publicity
[00:18:35] will not harm them, if
[00:18:37] a person was not public, then, accordingly, the responsibility of
[00:18:41] the media and the family directly
[00:18:45] leads to the fact that the
[00:18:48] person in captivity has problems. Another
[00:18:51] difficult topic is access of journalists to information
[00:18:55] about the war. Editorial offices need operational
[00:18:58] comments and the ability to independently cover
[00:19:01] events, while the military must take into account that
[00:19:04] published data may affect people's safety and
[00:19:07] the course of operations. When we talk about freedom, when we
[00:19:11] talk about democracy, there is one aspect - freedom and
[00:19:15] freedom of speech, but there is another aspect - it is also
[00:19:18] the responsibility of everyone in a warring country, both
[00:19:22] military, and commander, and
[00:19:25] media representative. All this needs to be discussed, the question is when
[00:19:28] it needs to be discussed, and to whom, and how? From
[00:19:32] Eurointegration to war coverage, Donbas Media Forum
[00:19:35] united topics that define the work of Ukrainian media
[00:19:39] already today. New rules,
[00:19:42] security restrictions and technological changes pose
[00:19:45] various challenges to editorial offices, but at the center of
[00:19:48] journalism remains the human being, their right
[00:19:52] to know the truth and to be heard.
[00:19:56] An interesting theme of this year's forum, which took place
[00:19:59] in Kyiv, so here I am media, a person for
[00:20:02] a person about a person, we have already discussed throughout this story with Serhiy.
[00:20:06] What is happening today with classic
[00:20:10] media, with classic journalism, which must verify
[00:20:14] information, which should not use only
[00:20:17] hype, emotion, or
[00:20:21] vice versa, intimidate somewhere, right, in order
[00:20:24] to get views, but
[00:20:27] such media initiatives, or whatever you call them, exist, these are Telegram
[00:20:31] channels, which we are also subscribed to, of course, and
[00:20:34] we follow their activities, these are separate individuals,
[00:20:38] who can, just to
[00:20:41] hit us viewers where it hurts, try to
[00:20:45] intimidate us, consciously or
[00:20:48] perhaps hastily, somewhere
[00:20:51] manipulate, well, because they hastily posted some information
[00:20:54] and did not verify it, for example, or they presented
[00:20:58] this information in such a way that we would
[00:21:02] again react emotionally,
[00:21:06] without verifying, and already with a certain mood live this day,
[00:21:09] live this day, draw our own conclusions,
[00:21:12] so indeed, what is the role of classic media and where is
[00:21:16] the person in all this now, this is interesting.
[00:21:20] The question, Serhiy, in your opinion, are there prospects for
[00:21:23] journalism, because the survival of classic
[00:21:26] journalists in classic media, I will just quote our colleague Vitaliy
[00:21:30] Portnikov, a few weeks ago, when we talked for the black
[00:21:34] box, he said that years will pass, artificial intelligence, how it all
[00:21:38] works, and someday our avatars will sit on
[00:21:41] air, and tell something, not someday, but
[00:21:44] tomorrow, tomorrow they will sit, this is true, but
[00:21:47] not today, right, well... what
[00:21:50] is happening in the media during the great war is a great challenge for
[00:21:54] classic media, for media, for television,
[00:21:57] for radio, for news agencies,
[00:22:01] for newspapers, for magazines, those that are still published, because
[00:22:04] in fact, Kateryna rightly said that there are
[00:22:07] operational media that work in the information field
[00:22:11] and on which some Ukrainians rely, these are
[00:22:14] Telegram channels, which very quickly provide information, literally
[00:22:18] minute by minute, when there are... missiles or drones flying and they provide certain
[00:22:22] operational information, much more operational than what
[00:22:26] classic media provide, which usually
[00:22:29] verify information, that is, confirm this information, and this
[00:22:33] is a very big challenge, a big challenge both for journalists who
[00:22:36] work in classic media, and for classic
[00:22:39] media themselves. Well, I can give an example from last
[00:22:43] week, when I was watching what
[00:22:46] was happening in the airspace
[00:22:50] of Kyiv and there were strikes on
[00:22:53] bridges that connect
[00:22:56] the left-bank, the left-bank part of the capital and
[00:22:59] the right-bank, and one of the Telegram channels provides
[00:23:02] information, well, I will literally quote,
[00:23:05] the bridge is falling, so
[00:23:08] where it says falling on one line, and bridge on
[00:23:12] another, I think, oh my God, the bridge is falling, or is it falling
[00:23:16] on the bridge? Here's a clear example of how
[00:23:21] information in Telegram channels can
[00:23:24] cause panic, information in Telegram channels
[00:23:27] can somehow incorrectly interpret what
[00:23:31] is happening in the airspace
[00:23:34] of the capital, and not only in the airspace of the capital, this
[00:23:37] is a great challenge for the entire
[00:23:40] journalistic community, because we can talk about
[00:23:44] human-centeredness, but we see that
[00:23:48] most Telegram.
[00:23:50] and most media outlets that are not official, they
[00:23:54] hype on this, gain additional
[00:23:57] subscriptions, gain more information
[00:24:00] dissemination, this of course requires
[00:24:04] more thorough work from classic
[00:24:08] journalists, journalists who work in
[00:24:10] classic media, who are used to verifying
[00:24:14] information, and they rightly said at this forum
[00:24:18] Donbas Media Forum, that
[00:24:21] it is necessary to talk about
[00:24:23] communications, it is necessary to talk about how exactly
[00:24:27] events unfold in Ukraine,
[00:24:30] there should be some unified standards, although, well, for
[00:24:33] me, as a person who started in 1992
[00:24:36] in Ukrainian journalism, these are absolutely
[00:24:39] obvious things, and for you, Kateryna, too, that
[00:24:43] there are certain rules, there are
[00:24:46] certain agreements, there is
[00:24:50] a certain strategy of how media work,
[00:24:54] and they are not only
[00:24:57] for Ukrainian journalists and not only invented by
[00:25:00] Ukrainian media, these are journalism
[00:25:03] standards that accordingly give a certain idea of
[00:25:07] what is happening in Ukraine, including
[00:25:11] what concerns
[00:25:14] the Russian-Ukrainian war, of course, what
[00:25:16] concerns exclusively security and defense issues. And
[00:25:20] information that cannot be disseminated in
[00:25:24] the media, this information also exists, but
[00:25:27] still, we should
[00:25:30] distinguish where there are classic media, there are media
[00:25:34] that are actually even outside the legal
[00:25:38] field, because it seems to me that Telegram channels, they do not regulate
[00:25:40] activities by anything other than perhaps the form
[00:25:44] of organization there, a sole proprietorship, some
[00:25:47] money comes in, donations from people who... watch, read
[00:25:51] Telegram channels, so it is important for us
[00:25:54] to actually have this discussion, because during
[00:25:57] 4.5 years of war, this
[00:26:01] information field has changed a lot. Ukraine and we still need
[00:26:05] to do everything so that people consume quality
[00:26:08] information food and do not
[00:26:12] constantly eat burgers or some uh
[00:26:16] information snacks in order
[00:26:19] to satisfy their interest in what is happening in
[00:26:22] Ukraine. Yes, here we need even a simple example, we
[00:26:26] are sitting on the air, so among ourselves, if we were sitting there and talking to someone,
[00:26:30] we would have seen some quick news there, well... well, on Telegram channels, we
[00:26:34] could have voiced it in the kitchen and
[00:26:37] somehow checked it, and then what? Go google it, look at official
[00:26:41] said something, for example, or not,
[00:26:44] when we are sitting on the air, we also watch quick
[00:26:47] news, we cannot just tell you, because this is a great
[00:26:51] responsibility, we check, editors
[00:26:54] check, guest editors refer to primary
[00:26:57] sources to check this information, and only after such
[00:27:01] verification can we... we can voice it on air, again, this
[00:27:04] is a great responsibility, disinformation is
[00:27:08] a serious, serious story, and information, as
[00:27:11] you quoted, that the bridge is falling, well, this is already
[00:27:14] such a great psychological pressure, really,
[00:27:17] and someone, someone's loved one might just be driving on that
[00:27:21] bridge at that moment, well, for example, yes, or there, this is already a certain
[00:27:25] stress, and you will not get rid of it, you have already experienced it, and you
[00:27:29] already go on with it and live, but how...
[00:27:32] what are we, we didn't invent journalism standards in Ukraine, we
[00:27:36] took the best from
[00:27:38] democratic countries, this is what has really been proven
[00:27:42] for decades, but on the other hand, we also find ourselves in
[00:27:46] a situation when Ukrainian journalists, performing their
[00:27:49] journalistic tasks in European countries, here we will now
[00:27:53] specifically talk about Austria and
[00:27:56] about the example of investigative journalists from Ukrayinska
[00:27:59] Pravda, in particular Mykhailo Tkach, what we saw... yes, at the end
[00:28:03] of last week, when they, performing their journalistic
[00:28:06] task, were detained, and as Mykhailo
[00:28:09] himself said in an interview with Sevil Musayeva on the pages
[00:28:13] of Ukrayinska Pravda on YouTube, that he generally spent the first hour
[00:28:17] when he was laid face down
[00:28:21] on the ground, they said nothing, they explained
[00:28:24] nothing, he did not understand whether it was a kidnapping, that is, he thought at
[00:28:27] some point that it was a kidnapping, until he was somehow picked up, he saw police
[00:28:31] cars, he... understood, and he said that he even exhaled,
[00:28:35] yes, that this is in principle some kind of story, that is, this
[00:28:38] is also new challenges, when journalists work in certain conditions, and
[00:28:42] this really still needs to be investigated, to understand what happened,
[00:28:46] why journalists during the performance of their journalistic task
[00:28:50] were able to be detained so simply somewhere, well, and operational
[00:28:53] information appeared that the enemy attacked
[00:28:56] railway and energy infrastructure in
[00:28:59] Zhytomyr region, objects of railway and
[00:29:02] infrastructure in Korostyn district of Zhytomyr
[00:29:06] region were repeatedly shelled from Sunday
[00:29:09] evening as a result of attacks, fires broke out, information
[00:29:12] about casualties was not received, this was reported by the head of the Zhytomyr
[00:29:16] Regional Military Administration, Vitaliy Bunechko, in a Telegram
[00:29:20] channel post on Monday morning, but this information
[00:29:24] has already been verified and reported by Interfax Ukraine,
[00:29:27] the information agency, and of course, we
[00:29:31] are following what is happening in Ukraine, and we will follow
[00:29:34] what will happen at the Warsaw
[00:29:37] Security Forum, let me remind you that today this forum starts, at
[00:29:41] 14:10 on Slava's YouTube channel, you can
[00:29:44] watch a live broadcast in Ukrainian translation,
[00:29:48] and at 14:10 there will be
[00:29:51] a broadcast on Espreso TV channel, so wait, what
[00:29:54] will be said today at the security forum, we
[00:29:57] will hear tomorrow and discuss with our experts. So, Ukrainian Focus
[00:30:01] morning. This week we are hosting for you,
[00:30:05] Kateryna Nykrecha, Serhiy Rudenko, news from Oksana
[00:30:08] Vysochanska, stay with us and have a calm day, a good day.
[00:30:35] Greetings to all Espreso viewers, this is news, in the studio Oksana
[00:30:39] Vysochanska. An RF strike drone hit a multi-story building
[00:30:43] in Kharkiv this morning. There are extensive destructions at the site, floors
[00:30:46] from the seventh to the tenth were destroyed in one of the entrances.
[00:30:50] Currently, 11 people are known to be injured.
[00:30:54] Three people were previously injured, but the number of victims
[00:30:58] is constantly growing.