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[00:00:00] false information after the attacks, while there is
[00:00:03] no direct evidence of Moscow's involvement in organizing the attacks themselves. Against the backdrop of these events, Kosinyak
[00:00:07] Kamysh also called for restricting access to social media for children under 16
[00:00:11] years old. In addition, the Polish government insists on faster blocking
[00:00:14] of illegal content, including materials calling for
[00:00:17] violence. Read more about this in our
[00:00:20] news. And that's all for me at this moment. Take
[00:00:23] care!
[00:00:31] Watch the Ukrainian focus of glory. We talk about the main events of the day with
[00:00:35] politicians, analysts, and opinion leaders. I am Yulia Hirshova. I am Marek
[00:00:38] Siran. Welcome. Good day. Big War is not
[00:00:41] a hindrance to Big Deal. Donald Trump announced that he had agreed with
[00:00:45] Putin to supply millions of tons of Russian diesel. And then
[00:00:49] stated that Ukraine and Russia allegedly had already agreed to an energy
[00:00:52] truce. However, Moscow did not confirm this and continued to strike
[00:00:56] Ukrainian energy infrastructure, particularly Kyiv and Kharkiv.
[00:01:00] responds, ready to stop strikes on Russian targets, but
[00:01:03] only reciprocally. Meanwhile, in Congress, they call the diesel deal
[00:01:07] potentially illegal and are preparing a bipartisan bill to
[00:01:11] block the purchase of Russian oil. So what exactly is
[00:01:14] Trump buying from Putin, cheaper fuel or the illusion
[00:01:17] of a truce, my colleague Yulia
[00:01:19] Hunko will tell you.
[00:01:23] 300 tons immediately, another 500
[00:01:25] tons.
[00:01:45] full control over the Strait of Hormuz and this wonderful news
[00:01:49] regarding Russian energy resources, diesel
[00:01:51] fuel prices for Americans and indeed worldwide
[00:01:54] will fall to record lows, and this will happen
[00:01:58] quickly. According to Trump, lowering prices for citizens
[00:02:01] is his highest priority. On the same day, the US Treasury issued a general
[00:02:05] license for transactions with Russian fuel. Its import, as
[00:02:09] well as the provision of services for sea transportation, had been banned
[00:02:12] since March 2022.
[00:02:15] year.
[00:02:19] While Trump and Putin were negotiating by phone, Zelensky in Kyiv
[00:02:22] was receiving delegates from Congress, and in Miami, negotiations in the
[00:02:26] Ukraine-Europe-USA format were ongoing. The latter ended by...
[00:02:30] surprisingly, there will be no second day, reported a journalist from Radio
[00:02:33] Svoboda. The President of Ukraine in an interview with Axios stated
[00:02:37] that Washington used peace talks as a smokescreen for a deal with
[00:02:41] Russia. In any case, it all goes to
[00:02:44] war against people, against
[00:02:47] Ukraine, against all of us. I believe
[00:02:51] that our, our team is simply being used
[00:02:54] as a smokescreen, and this is certainly unfair, this
[00:02:58] is certainly not partner-like, and
[00:03:02] this is, in my opinion, Axios also provides details of the meeting
[00:03:06] in Miami. A Ukrainian official told the publication that
[00:03:09] the Americans threatened to stop intelligence sharing if
[00:03:13] Ukraine continued to strike Russian oil refineries. And a US
[00:03:16] representative added: Trump wants this to be a unilateral act,
[00:03:20] as he does not consider attacks on oil refineries
[00:03:23] equivalent to striking Ukrainian energy infrastructure. The
[00:03:27] reaction of the Government of Great Britain, a country
[00:03:30] participating in the meeting in Miami, was also quite
[00:03:33] clear. We will continue to work closely with
[00:03:37] international partners to provide Ukraine with the military and
[00:03:41] financial support it needs for self-defense. We will also
[00:03:44] maintain pressure on Russia through the toughest sanctions regime
[00:03:48] ever applied by Great Britain. Fuel prices are not just another
[00:03:51] attempt by Trump to stop the decline in his rating and push
[00:03:55] Republicans into Congress during the midterm elections, but also
[00:03:58] hopes for further big deals with Putin,
[00:04:02] according to political scientist Vadym Denisenko, head of the Analytical Center
[00:04:05] Business Capital, because 5 million tons is
[00:04:09] a pittance, only a month's consumption
[00:04:11] for the USA.
[00:04:16] Why did Washington, as the largest diesel exporter, decide to buy
[00:04:19] it in such almost inconspicuous portions, and
[00:04:23] more than that, from Ukraine, which is currently lacking it itself, explained
[00:04:27] journalist and publicist Vitaly Portnikov on his YouTube channel.
[00:04:30] According to him, Putin achieved a complete and obvious diplomatic
[00:04:34] victory over Trump, and the deal itself is a bribe for the Kremlin leader.
[00:04:38] In order for the Russian president to more quickly
[00:04:41] agree to the sale of foreign assets of Luk Oil,
[00:04:45] to representatives close to Trump's family
[00:04:49] and the American president's inner circle.
[00:04:52] In reality, we are witnessing precisely
[00:04:56] the search for ways to conclude this deal.
[00:05:00] and no peaceful process. Portnikov
[00:05:03] predicts that a surge in diesel prices is unlikely to save Trump from
[00:05:07] defeat in the elections, and Ukraine will continue to strike Russian
[00:05:10] oil refineries. Therefore, if... the G7 needs diesel,
[00:05:14] they should negotiate precisely on an energy truce. Meanwhile,
[00:05:17] the Financial Times published the reaction
[00:05:21] of a Ukrainian official to the agreement. I quote: "We
[00:05:24] will burn their oil refineries." Yulia Hunko,
[00:05:27] Slava. US President Donald Trump stated
[00:05:31] that Ukraine and Russia agreed to an energy
[00:05:34] truce. The US also threatens to stop supplying
[00:05:38] weapons to Ukraine under the PER program. This is reported by the publication.
[00:06:12] day, greetings to you,
[00:06:15] good afternoon, well indeed, the energy truce announced
[00:06:18] by Trump, we see that Kyiv, Moscow did not accept it,
[00:06:22] and today Volodymyr Zelensky says that Ukraine has only one
[00:06:26] oil refinery, and in the matter of an energy truce, for
[00:06:29] it, the key is to stop Russia's strikes on
[00:06:33] power plants and the power grid, and the American
[00:06:36] team is well informed about this, but
[00:06:39] we see that in Washington, the energy truce is perceived as
[00:06:43] meaning we should stop striking Russian oil refineries. Mr.
[00:06:46] Roman, please tell us how to get out of this situation so as not
[00:06:50] to agree to unfavorable terms for us?
[00:06:54] Well, Ms. Yulia, first of all, we need to
[00:06:56] objectively assess the situation, because
[00:07:00] I think that here Mr. Vitaliy Portnikov is absolutely
[00:07:04] right, it's not about peace
[00:07:07] talks, it's about, at this
[00:07:10] stage, preparing
[00:07:13] a deal concerning
[00:07:16] Lukoil's assets in Europe, and
[00:07:19] part of the assets in Africa, because it's roughly
[00:07:23] split in half, 10 billion in Europe, 10
[00:07:26] billion in Africa, that's
[00:07:29] the first thing, because actually, when you objectively
[00:07:33] assess the situation, then the focus kind of shifts
[00:07:36] from the events, so first, second, what is extremely
[00:07:40] necessary is coordination. action with
[00:07:42] European partners, here in this situation regarding
[00:07:46] the preparation of the meeting in Florida, there was
[00:07:49] a lack of coordination, when we last
[00:07:52] met, I warned all of us then
[00:07:55] that coordination was necessary here, and that's why
[00:07:58] in Florida all of Europe,
[00:08:01] NATO, the European Union in representatives,
[00:08:04] Ukraine, ended up there, and this was simply a brilliant, brilliant
[00:08:08] curtain for the machinations that Donald
[00:08:11] Trump was playing out behind Ukraine's
[00:08:14] back. There's another thing that is difficult, important
[00:08:18] to understand: all of this was prepared
[00:08:20] long before the meeting in Florida and before the so-called
[00:08:24] telephone conversation between Trump and
[00:08:28] Putin, because if you look at the tanker
[00:08:31] that arrived yesterday off the coast of the United States
[00:08:34] of America, the decision on it could not have been made
[00:08:38] later than September 5th, that is, September
[00:08:41] fifth. On September 5th, all key decisions were made,
[00:08:45] the chartering of the tanker began,
[00:08:47] then its insurance followed, then loading, and only
[00:08:51] on September 22nd, September 22nd, it sailed to
[00:08:54] the United States of America, this is approximately what
[00:08:58] happened, these days a play is being staged
[00:09:01] in the name of Donald Fredovich Trump,
[00:09:04] which has no relation to
[00:09:07] peace negotiations, all of this, in the end, is
[00:09:11] focused on the epicenter of one event - November
[00:09:14] 3rd. November 3rd, which Trump
[00:09:18] understands and perceives as a disaster. In the current
[00:09:21] situation, it is important not to make
[00:09:24] wrong steps. Some things that were done
[00:09:28] these days. Yes, overall, it is an objective
[00:09:31] reaction from Ukraine, but there are also some
[00:09:35] emotions that needed to be avoided. That's the first, and the second.
[00:09:38] The President of Ukraine should not have been in
[00:09:42] a hurry, because all that happened in
[00:09:46] the United States of America, all these attacks
[00:09:49] by Donald Trump, this is an absolute plot
[00:09:52] of the election campaign, this has nothing to do with
[00:09:56] peace negotiations, and as a result of shifting the center
[00:09:59] of evaluation, well, this tension arises, it's
[00:10:02] a theater of the election campaign, no more
[00:10:05] and no less.
[00:10:07] Mr. Roman, I agree with what you said, but... How is it that I
[00:10:11] will go a step further, well, it
[00:10:14] turns out that we have a world order, because this
[00:10:17] is an unprecedented situation, when in fact,
[00:10:21] America buys on... This is a rather dangerous situation for all
[00:10:55] of us, including Ukraine.
[00:10:58] Mr. Marik, the old
[00:11:00] order died in the autumn of
[00:11:04] 2021, objectively it should have been buried then, when
[00:11:08] those ultimatum treaties appeared that the
[00:11:11] Kremlin sent to Washington and to Brussels
[00:11:15] in NATO. That was the end. Two years later, this
[00:11:19] will be confirmed by President Joe Biden. As for
[00:11:22] the current time,
[00:11:25] it refers to such a historical concept as
[00:11:28] a timeless period, neither there nor there, neither in the past nor in
[00:11:31] the future, this is a period when the world order is being reformatted,
[00:11:35] who should propose it, because
[00:11:38] in fact, I did not accidentally distance myself
[00:11:42] from the barrel of diesel, because you are absolutely
[00:11:45] right, it plays absolutely no role for
[00:11:49] the United States, nor for the world, it
[00:11:52] makes up... of world consumption, what role
[00:11:56] does it play? nothing. Now let's think, and
[00:11:59] the United States exports 64 million
[00:12:03] tons of diesel every year, what will 5 million for
[00:12:07] half a year give them? That's also
[00:12:10] nothing. Therefore, indeed, you are right, it is about the world order,
[00:12:14] and here it is important that the unity of Ukraine,
[00:12:17] Europe, Canada. I bring us back to the discussion that
[00:12:21] took place during the meeting of the European
[00:12:25] Parliament and the meeting of the Prime Minister of Canada, where
[00:12:28] it was clearly and absolutely stated: "we need to form a European Security
[00:12:32] Council, which would include
[00:12:34] Ukraine, Canada, Norway, those countries that
[00:12:38] are not members of the European Union, Great Britain, because
[00:12:42] this seriously strengthens the strength, the potential of Europe, and
[00:12:46] this, Mr. Marik, will give a chance
[00:12:49] to impose, including on such an ignoramus as
[00:12:53] Donald Trump, a new world order, he is no longer capable of anything,
[00:12:56] or on November 3rd he will be multiplied
[00:13:00] by zero, everyone sees this perfectly, because the new
[00:13:04] Congress, where the House of Representatives will obviously already have
[00:13:07] a Democratic majority, will tie him up hand and
[00:13:10] foot, and if they also get a majority in
[00:13:14] the Senate, then his impeachment procedure is
[00:13:17] guaranteed, the result, we will still think, will depend on how
[00:13:21] many Republicans support the initiative
[00:13:25] of the Democrats, so it's a different matter, you know, I don't look at American
[00:13:28] Democrats any better than at Donald Trump, because there are also
[00:13:32] enough headless people like Trump, and this will still be
[00:13:36] a problem for Europe, how to act in this situation,
[00:13:39] in fact, the fate of the world today depends on the
[00:13:42] unity of Europe, how Europe will deal with
[00:13:45] the idiots in France like Marine Le Pen and similar
[00:13:49] idiots in Germany, like Alternative for Germany, all
[00:13:52] other idiots, of whom there are plenty. in Ukraine and in
[00:13:55] Poland, they should rest on the side of the road, then we can
[00:13:59] talk about the future, in times
[00:14:02] of misery, this is a wonderful period to
[00:14:05] allow the immortal Portnikov
[00:14:09] to engage in intellectual gymnastics
[00:14:12] around these issues. In fact, the world has long since developed
[00:14:16] a recipe for dealing with madmen, like
[00:14:19] Trump, Marine Le Pen, Alice
[00:14:22] Weidel, Jordan Bardella and other madmen who cannot
[00:14:26] understand that the world is not playing this tug-of-war that
[00:14:30] they propose, the world, the world needs stability,
[00:14:33] the economy needs stability, well, and another thing, how Trump
[00:14:37] was going to solve the problem of gasoline prices,
[00:14:40] by bringing in diesel, diesel concerns about
[00:14:43] 3-4% of the US
[00:14:46] population, and how will he lower the price of gasoline, it has already
[00:14:50] jumped to almost $5, this is... his
[00:14:53] political funeral music. Mr.
[00:14:56] Roman, well, we have about a minute and a half left for our conversation.
[00:15:00] Still, what should Ukraine do, can we afford to go into
[00:15:03] such an open conflict with Trump, or do we still
[00:15:07] place great hopes for changes after November 3rd?
[00:15:11] And your forecast, what will happen if
[00:15:14] Ukraine does not comply with these demands, in fact,
[00:15:18] in the near future, I don't know, two
[00:15:19] months.
[00:15:22] Ukraine will not comply with these demands and will do
[00:15:25] absolutely the right thing, this is my conviction, second,
[00:15:29] President Zelensky needs to be on air less often,
[00:15:31] this role should be taken by the Minister of Foreign Affairs, politicians,
[00:15:35] parliamentarians, and so on. Third, we need to develop
[00:15:38] a common position with the Europeans, who were also set up in Florida,
[00:15:42] and from this position, without shouting,
[00:15:46] screaming, and I say again, fill the air less now,
[00:15:48] we don't need to give reasons to Trump or all
[00:15:51] these companies of madmen from Washington, about whom
[00:15:55] we have long talked, that this is a smokescreen,
[00:15:58] which they are setting up in the current situation of the negotiation process,
[00:16:02] to use Ukraine. Well, Europe in this regard, and all
[00:16:05] this shouting, why are you asking
[00:16:08] me this question for the third time, what should
[00:16:11] Ukraine do, because everyone thinks
[00:16:15] intelligence data, supplies, first, they don't help
[00:16:18] and don't supply, but they sell, they get hard cash for
[00:16:22] it, let them try to sell everything they
[00:16:26] are peddling to Ukraine today to anyone else, by the way,
[00:16:29] these are not first-rate things, that's first, secondly,
[00:16:33] 99% of intelligence information
[00:16:35] on...
[00:16:38] Great Britain, France and partners in the so-called
[00:16:41] family of five sisters,
[00:16:43] without the United States of America, what can they
[00:16:47] say to that? I understand that not everyone in the world knows this, and therefore
[00:16:51] one can peddle anything in this regard. People who
[00:16:55] deal with these things, they know, America's role
[00:16:58] in this war is 0, 0, in
[00:17:01] principle, from the moment Trump came, he began
[00:17:04] to cut off this influence, he cut it off, what else
[00:17:07] does he need? Let him go peacefully, lose the elections
[00:17:10] on the third, and what to do with him, let the
[00:17:14] Americans decide, and one more thing, these things like, I'll go, give
[00:17:18] me 60 days, I'll go to the elections, what 60
[00:17:21] days, Ukraine needs at least a year and a half to
[00:17:24] prepare for elections, otherwise everyone will be jailed, Ukraine does
[00:17:28] not have a working voter register, what 60
[00:17:31] days will be enough for him for elections, you understand, and here it is the same
[00:17:35] ignorance, instead of asking people who understand
[00:17:38] this, this was already shown to everyone during the negotiations
[00:17:42] in Minsk, there are no 60 days, no
[00:17:45] half a year, this is the minimum needed to set up
[00:17:49] the system, thank you, thank you, thank you, this is certainly a topic for the next
[00:17:52] conversation, and we are always very happy to communicate with you, thank you, Roman
[00:17:56] Bezsmertny, politician, diplomat, historian, was a guest of the Ukrainian
[00:17:59] Focus,
[00:18:06] as to how to... will have a possible attack from Russia. On October 12 in Warsaw,
[00:18:10] the Supreme Commander of the Allied Armed Forces in
[00:18:14] Europe, Alexus Grinkevich, will present. This is one of the main events at the Warsaw
[00:18:17] Security Forum. The theory of victory implies a quick
[00:18:21] response and the use of innovative technologies. And
[00:18:24] prior to this, Grinkevich already gave an interview to our colleagues
[00:18:27] Steve P. Wald. Let's listen to
[00:18:29] a fragment.
[00:18:32] First, we have a theory, and we are ready to
[00:18:35] implement it. And therefore allies. and the peoples of the alliance
[00:18:38] should feel confident and know that we are in control.
[00:18:42] Second, any potential adversary must also know that we
[00:18:46] are in control and come to the conclusion that they do not want to confront
[00:18:49] us, because the alliance is ready to act if
[00:18:53] it is necessary for our own defense, to protect every
[00:18:57] inch of our territory. And third, again, we are
[00:19:01] a defensive alliance, so we have no desire to
[00:19:05] escalate the situation here and no need to
[00:19:08] do so, all we need is to
[00:19:11] make sure no one can threaten us.
[00:19:14] Grinkevich's presentation will begin at 1:00 PM Warsaw time,
[00:19:17] 2:00 PM Kyiv time. Watch it live
[00:19:21] with translation into Ukrainian, on the Slava YouTube channel and on the air
[00:19:25] of the Ukrainian TV channel Espreso. What is already
[00:19:28] known about the theory of victory in the next
[00:19:30] material.
[00:19:37] Integration of modern technologies into traditional military power.
[00:19:41] This is how Alexus Grinkevich's theory of victory can be briefly
[00:19:44] described. The text of the document has been kept completely secret until
[00:19:48] today, but some of its provisions have still become
[00:19:51] known to the press. Thus, Bloomberg , citing
[00:19:54] sources, reports: "NATO's new strategy" is a so-called
[00:19:57] roadmap for action in case of a Russian attack on alliance
[00:20:01] countries.
[00:20:04] The goal is to deter a potential adversary and prevent
[00:20:07] war. If an attack occurs, NATO must be
[00:20:11] ready to stop the invasion, show superiority, and defeat
[00:20:14] enemy forces. Special attention is paid to strengthening the defense
[00:20:18] of the eastern flank, increasing defense spending, and training
[00:20:22] troops.
[00:20:25] At the center of the strategy are new technologies, including
[00:20:28] autonomous drones and target detection systems using
[00:20:31] artificial intelligence. The Alliance plans to deter a Russian attack with
[00:20:35] ground forces, cheap drones, and minimally
[00:20:39] manned systems. The next step is to destroy the control systems
[00:20:43] of the Russian army, so that it cannot effectively
[00:20:46] coordinate combat operations.
[00:20:51] At the same time, the document emphasizes the defensive
[00:20:53] nature of NATO. The Alliance seeks to avoid provocations, but at the same
[00:20:57] time is ready to jointly counter hybrid
[00:21:00] threats, from cyberattacks to actions aimed at
[00:21:03] destabilizing
[00:21:04] society.
[00:21:08] Grinkevich's theory of victory is not only a step-by-step response to
[00:21:12] threats from Russia, but also a warning against the Kremlin's bellicose
[00:21:15] rhetoric, including threats of invasion, violations of
[00:21:19] airspace by military aircraft, helicopters and
[00:21:22] drones, as well as regular hybrid attacks. There was no
[00:21:25] detailed joint mechanism of action before, but the
[00:21:29] development of the strategy itself was not without discussions,
[00:21:32] among the questions were where to invest money and what exactly stands
[00:21:36] behind security
[00:21:37] expenditures?
[00:21:41] Earlier, the media reported that the US had sent questionnaires
[00:21:45] to NATO allies, all to find out how much they
[00:21:49] spend on defense and whether they support Donald
[00:21:52] Trump's policy. This was supposed to help Washington decide
[00:21:55] whether to reduce American troops in Europe. Separately, the states
[00:21:59] asked how many additional troops partners could
[00:22:03] provide for NATO's
[00:22:04] common defense.
[00:22:09] I will add that the Alliance's defense strategy is constantly
[00:22:12] evolving. Thus, in 2014, after
[00:22:15] the annexation of Crimea and the beginning of the war in Donbas, NATO began
[00:22:19] to strengthen its eastern flank defense, in particular, in
[00:22:22] 2016 during the summit in Warsaw, member states
[00:22:25] decided to deploy multinational military
[00:22:28] units in Poland and the Baltic
[00:22:30] states.
[00:22:33] Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine forced NATO
[00:22:37] to significantly rethink its defense. At the summits in Madrid in
[00:22:40] 2022 and in Vilnius in
[00:22:43] 2023, allies agreed to defend
[00:22:47] every inch of the alliance's territory and prepare
[00:22:51] over 300,000 troops for rapid
[00:22:54] deployment. Separately, military presence was expanded in Bulgaria,
[00:22:58] Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia. In
[00:23:00] 2024, the Alliance's main mission became, and I quote: "To make
[00:23:04] it impossible for a potential aggressor to have any window
[00:23:08] of opportunity for attack." And already in 2026,
[00:23:12] a battalion tactical group led by Sweden began to be based
[00:23:16] in Finland. Yulia Hunko, Elections in Ukraine are not.
[00:23:50] Tetyana, greetings to you, good afternoon, good
[00:23:52] afternoon, greetings, greetings from
[00:23:56] Brussels, Tetyana, what is the reaction
[00:23:59] of the European Union to Trump's deal with Putin regarding
[00:24:03] diesel fuel supplies? Please,
[00:24:06] the floor is yours.
[00:24:09] So, today in Luxembourg, indeed, the foreign ministers of the member
[00:24:13] states of the European Union gathered, and the Minister
[00:24:16] of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Andriy Sibiga, was also present
[00:24:20] at the meeting. And indeed, before the meeting began,
[00:24:23] the ministers approached journalists and all said that
[00:24:27] an energy truce might be a good idea, but Russia
[00:24:30] does not adhere to it itself, and until Russia adheres to
[00:24:34] it, this idea will not work. And the conclusion
[00:24:37] drawn by almost all ministers who spoke to the media was that
[00:24:41] pressure on Russia needs to be increased, and by the way, I want to report good
[00:24:45] news, it became known just a few minutes ago
[00:24:48] that... the European Union has indeed
[00:24:52] approved a new list of sanctions against Russia.
[00:24:55] The foreign ministers in Luxembourg made this
[00:24:59] decision, it concerns about 1600
[00:25:02] new sanction lines, these are
[00:25:05] both individuals and legal entities, mostly those associated
[00:25:09] with the Russian arms and
[00:25:12] ammunition manufacturing sector, and
[00:25:15] indeed, returning to the ministers' reaction, they also
[00:25:19] said... that new sanctions
[00:25:22] should be applied against Russia so that it finally stops
[00:25:26] the war against Ukraine. Russia started
[00:25:29] this war and we need to pressure it to stop it, said the EU's chief
[00:25:32] diplomat, Callas, and if possible, let's listen to her
[00:25:36] direct
[00:25:36] speech.
[00:25:40] Russia started this war, we must not forget this, we must
[00:25:44] pressure Russia to stop, because if it
[00:25:47] stops, Ukrainians will not have to take.
[00:26:09] Another topic that the foreign ministers will address
[00:26:12] today and which they raised during their approaches to the media
[00:26:16] is the opening of clusters for Ukraine and
[00:26:19] Moldova. This issue is being decided today, and
[00:26:23] the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Hungary, Anita Orban,
[00:26:26] approached the media and said that she is very happy that today
[00:26:30] the parliament... the Verkhovna Rada is going to vote on amendments
[00:26:33] to the Law on Education agreed with Hungary, and these
[00:26:36] amendments will concern increasing the rights of national
[00:26:40] minorities, those who speak the languages
[00:26:43] of the European Union, meaning this will not apply to Russian,
[00:26:46] and today, in fact, Europeans are waiting for
[00:26:49] the Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada to adopt these amendments to the Law on
[00:26:53] Education, and education, and immediately after that, at
[00:26:56] 5 PM local time in Luxembourg,
[00:27:00] a committee meeting will convene.
[00:27:04] permanent representatives, permanent representatives of the EU, these
[00:27:08] ambassadors of the European Union in European
[00:27:12] institutions, and they will have to make a decision already
[00:27:15] about the final part of opening
[00:27:19] clusters two and three for Ukraine and Moldova. Tomorrow, if
[00:27:22] everything goes well, an intergovernmental
[00:27:26] conference will be convened, both for Ukraine and for Moldova, and these clusters
[00:27:30] will finally be opened, and this process will finally
[00:27:33] be completed. If today the Ukrainian parliament
[00:27:37] adopts the law on education, changes to it, then
[00:27:40] intergovernmental conferences will be held tomorrow at 6
[00:27:43] p.m. There will be a Ukrainian intergovernmental conference and around
[00:27:47] 7 p.m. the Moldovan one. After that, negotiations will begin
[00:27:51] on the opening of the fourth and fifth
[00:27:54] clusters for Ukraine, and in fact
[00:27:57] today Anita Orban, when she approached
[00:28:00] the journalists, she said that she was very happy that
[00:28:03] Ukraine and Hungary finally came to an understanding, so let's hope that they
[00:28:07] will also come to an understanding regarding the next clusters, studio. I
[00:28:11] want to go back to the topic of hybrid attacks, because Radoslaw Sikorski,
[00:28:14] the head of Polish diplomacy, was talking about this just
[00:28:17] before. He drew attention to the growing scale of Russian
[00:28:21] hybrid actions aimed against European states, noting that
[00:28:24] NATO must be prepared for casualties. He said this
[00:28:28] in an interview with the Financial Times, this is written by European Pravda
[00:28:32] and... Sikorski noted that along with the increasing number of
[00:28:35] incidents, the probability that they
[00:28:38] will lead to human casualties also
[00:28:41] I quote: if people start dying, we will have to have
[00:28:45] another very serious conversation with NATO, Sikorski
[00:28:48] warned, and the minister also called on European
[00:28:51] allies to limit Russian diplomatic
[00:28:54] presence. I no longer have
[00:28:57] consulates, but other states do. He also
[00:29:01] supported limiting the number of tourist visas issued
[00:29:05] to Russian citizens, well, this is a topic that you also tell us
[00:29:09] is being discussed in Brussels. Thank you, this
[00:29:12] was our correspondent in Brussels Tetiana
[00:29:14] Vysotska.
[00:29:22] Europe should strengthen its support for Ukraine in response to Russian
[00:29:25] hybrid attacks against the states of the continent. This
[00:29:28] will help demonstrate to the Russian Federation that even attempts.
[00:30:02] Lithuanian Defense Minister Dovile Šakalienė. Well, while we
[00:30:06] are waiting to connect with our guest, we continue
[00:30:09] to follow the events that are taking place at the Warsaw Security
[00:30:13] Forum, and the statements of Volodymyr Zelensky, the President of Ukraine. He
[00:30:16] says that Ukraine is ready
[00:30:19] to sign guarantees for an energy truce, but
[00:30:22] Russia must also demonstrate that it agrees to it. Zelensky
[00:30:26] stated this during his address at the Warsaw
[00:30:29] Security Forum. He said that Ukraine is waiting for
[00:30:33] details of negotiations between Americans and
[00:30:36] Russians, and we can already continue our conversation with our
[00:30:40] guest, Šakalienė Dovile, our
[00:30:43] guest, former Minister of Defense
[00:30:45] of Lithuania.
[00:30:48] Good day, we welcome you, we
[00:30:50] welcome you.
[00:30:55] Good afternoon. And how do they assess the decision in Lithuania?