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[00:00:00] therefore such large political issues need to be discussed
[00:00:03] in a large group directly, I think
[00:00:07] that this large working group will continue its
[00:00:10] meetings, and
[00:00:13] taking into account all these challenges, the parliament will be ready
[00:00:16] to update the legislation, by the way, excuse me, Ms.
[00:00:20] Olena, excuse me, we have literally 10 seconds,
[00:00:23] finally I want to ask you a very short briefing question:
[00:00:26] elections in 26th or 20... seventh
[00:00:30] year, for example, online real,
[00:00:33] yes or no? Uh, there is very
[00:00:37] low trust of Ukrainian society in online elections. This
[00:00:40] trust is somewhere around 3-4%,
[00:00:44] no more, so where there is no trust in society, we cannot
[00:00:47] recommend elections in such a way. I understand. Olena
[00:00:51] Shuliak, People's Deputy, Servant of the People faction, was on Espresso TV,
[00:00:55] and whether it will be possible to agree on an energy truce, or
[00:00:58] will there be elections? in Ukraine in 2026 or 2027
[00:01:21] the situation, quite strange, that has developed in American-Ukrainian
[00:01:24] relations, and relations, and we will analyze the behavior
[00:01:28] of the American president and what steps he can take,
[00:01:32] but of course, before that, in the center of attention is the situation with
[00:01:35] water supply in Kyiv. Watch us
[00:01:44] Espresso TV we will again
[00:01:47] understand how today's
[00:02:17] front-line Kherson region was handed over by Ivano-Frankivsk. Due to
[00:02:21] constant Russian shelling, the Beryslav community was
[00:02:24] forced to relocate its schools to Kryvyi Rih.
[00:02:28] Now children have to overcome tens of kilometers to
[00:02:31] lessons. At the Frankivsk Lyceum, they say
[00:02:34] the decision to donate the bus was made without hesitation, because
[00:02:38] today the need for it in the front-line community
[00:02:41] is much greater. The bus, which
[00:02:44] was purchased in its time back
[00:02:47] in 2017 with the participation
[00:02:51] of our city community,
[00:02:54] Mr. Chairman and our
[00:02:56] parents. After that, when the full-scale
[00:03:00] war began, our bus
[00:03:03] was not very active due to the lack of
[00:03:06] drivers, but in agreement with the mayor, with our
[00:03:10] authorities, we decided to help our
[00:03:13] brothers in the Beryslav community. For
[00:03:17] the Beryslav community, school transport is one of the key
[00:03:20] needs, due to the destruction of infrastructure and
[00:03:23] danger, local residents cannot return
[00:03:26] home. All our children were forced to leave their
[00:03:30] homes, and the largest number of our children,
[00:03:34] since the buildings are destroyed, since there is no city, the school
[00:03:37] is damaged and it is impossible to live there, came to
[00:03:40] the nearest city to us, the city of Kryvyi Rih,
[00:03:44] transporting our children plays a key
[00:03:47] role, so the bus is an extremely great help, we
[00:03:50] are sincerely grateful for this, our children will be able to go to school
[00:03:54] in the morning and return home in the evening,
[00:03:57] safely, for some students the road to
[00:04:01] school reaches 50
[00:04:04] km, children leave before dawn, after
[00:04:07] classes and clubs return home. Education
[00:04:11] continues even during air raids, in school
[00:04:14] shelters. After two years of distance learning, teachers
[00:04:18] talk about educational losses and lack of live communication, and
[00:04:21] some students actually got the opportunity to sit at their desks every day
[00:04:25] with their classmates for the first time. Currently, the community of the city
[00:04:29] of Ivano-Frankivsk is handing over a Bohdan bus,
[00:04:32] which will be able to transport children from
[00:04:34] the Beryslav community to study in Kryvyi Rih.
[00:04:37] There are about 330 such
[00:04:40] children. The city council emphasizes that helping
[00:04:44] children from front-line Kherson region is another
[00:04:47] way to support the community, which lives under Russian
[00:04:50] attacks every day, and at the same time support Ukrainian soldiers
[00:04:54] who defend this region. It is there in Kherson region and in
[00:04:58] this region that our
[00:05:01] 102nd brigade named after Dmytro Vitovsky is located, which protects this region, so this is
[00:05:04] a double aid, we help both our
[00:05:08] military unit and the civilian population to survive in these
[00:05:11] conditions. They say that supporting front-line communities
[00:05:15] today is a common cause, because the war has changed their
[00:05:18] lives, but it should not take away children's right to
[00:05:21] childhood and education.
[00:05:33] After the truce announced by Trump, Russians attacked
[00:05:36] six energy facilities in Ukraine, Zelensky said. Kyiv
[00:05:40] Vodokanal has already warned that if electricity disappears, water will also
[00:05:44] disappear. What is the situation with electricity in the capital,
[00:05:47] we will hear firsthand.
[00:05:48] Will EU and
[00:05:51] NATO partners provide strong support if Trump finally turns
[00:05:55] away from Kyiv. Live broadcast from
[00:05:58] the Warsaw Security Forum by our host Oleg
[00:06:02] Manchera.
[00:06:04] American roller coaster for Ukrainian diplomacy? What to expect from
[00:06:08] Trump's statements regarding Zelensky and where do talks about
[00:06:11] an energy truce lead? This complex knot
[00:06:14] will be untangled with Ukraine's ex-ambassador to the USA Valeriy Chaly.
[00:06:38] analyze all the most important events of this day. Well,
[00:06:41] the news is quite unsettling, the situation is alarming,
[00:06:44] especially when we talk about Kyiv and
[00:06:47] water supply, a warning was received from Kyiv
[00:06:51] Vodokanal that if there is no electricity, there may be no
[00:06:55] water, at the same time
[00:06:57] good news was received, well, relatively good,
[00:07:00] so the sewage system will work, and at the same time
[00:07:04] a conversation has already taken place between the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky and the Ukrainian
[00:07:08] negotiating group, which communicated with American
[00:07:26] should make an effort to help solve
[00:07:29] Kyiv's utility problems. Klitschko,
[00:07:33] Kyiv City Military Administration, Cabinet of Ministers, or
[00:07:37] President's Office. The situation is extremely
[00:07:40] difficult, the situation is alarming. The situation may be
[00:07:43] critical, so we need to involve
[00:07:46] additional capacities in order to
[00:07:49] get through this autumn, not to mention
[00:07:53] winter. Well, and now I invite our
[00:07:57] special correspondent of the TV channel
[00:08:00] Kateryna Halka to our broadcast. We will talk
[00:08:04] about the situation in Kyiv, how we
[00:08:13] comes from Kyiv, from different districts. Tonight
[00:08:16] the enemy hit a
[00:08:19] multi-story building, but now the focus
[00:08:22] is on the situation with electricity and water.
[00:08:25] Share your insights and
[00:08:35] Kyiv with electricity supply and water supply
[00:08:39] remains difficult. From my experience, I can say
[00:08:43] that currently in my district of Holosiyivskyi,
[00:08:46] there are scheduled power outages,
[00:08:49] however, for example, a few days ago, when
[00:08:52] the enemy attacked specific energy facilities, the situation was difficult,
[00:08:56] it was necessary to introduce emergency
[00:08:59] shutdown schedules, essentially just turning off the power because there was none,
[00:09:03] yesterday as well, after the strike,
[00:09:07] there were problems with water supply, almost
[00:09:10] from evening until night. there was no water,
[00:09:14] it's difficult, of course, but in the morning I woke up, fortunately, water supply
[00:09:17] in my district, in my building, at least, was restored,
[00:09:20] however, the situation is uncontrolled, of course, and it's very
[00:09:24] difficult, difficult to plan anything, difficult to
[00:09:27] prepare for anything, so
[00:09:31] we live as we are, but I know from my own example, from
[00:09:34] the example of my acquaintances, and in general, on
[00:09:37] the example of all Kyiv residents, I think that everyone is preparing for a difficult winter and
[00:09:41] now for a difficult
[00:09:43] autumn. Everyone buys some means that can
[00:09:47] help them survive these difficult seasons, everyone still has
[00:09:50] power banks from previous seasons,
[00:09:53] they also massively buy EcoFlows, various
[00:09:56] charging stations in order to be at least somewhat
[00:09:59] independent, to work and survive in these difficult times, and
[00:10:03] also now, perhaps unlike
[00:10:06] last winter, everyone has also started thinking about
[00:10:10] how to
[00:10:12] prepare for water supply outages, because this is a much
[00:10:16] more difficult problem, because it's difficult to live without water,
[00:10:19] and now even on social networks
[00:10:23] I see that everyone is sharing their tips. We are talking about what you can buy,
[00:10:27] uh, buy various devices that help you at least
[00:10:30] wash your hands, wash dishes, and there are even such showers that
[00:10:34] help
[00:10:36] when there is no water supply, to use
[00:10:39] technical water and ordinary water from bottles to take
[00:10:43] a shower, well, and of course to simply wash your hands, wash
[00:10:46] food before eating, this has also become a problem now, because
[00:10:50] last winter there were no such extremely difficult conditions,
[00:10:53] and now, as we see... October, but the situation is getting worse,
[00:10:57] and many establishments work on
[00:11:00] generators, and apartment buildings
[00:11:03] have also adapted, buying, or bought earlier, or are buying
[00:11:07] generators now for the elevators to work
[00:11:11] and water pumps, but of course, it's all expensive, and
[00:11:15] it also has a certain lifespan, it needs fuel and so on,
[00:11:18] so this causes a lot of problems, and even if the situation is
[00:11:22] more or less under control now, we don't know when the next alert will begin, which
[00:11:25] object will be attacked next and whether we will have light and water
[00:11:29] even in an hour, Kateryna, points
[00:11:32] of invincibility, much has been said about them, they were
[00:11:36] demonstrated to us, we all hoped for them,
[00:11:38] in your opinion, will they
[00:11:42] perform their purpose in a proper way
[00:11:45] and for a sufficient number of Kyiv residents?
[00:11:48] Yes, Antin, yesterday
[00:11:51] I personally inspected several... at least five of them
[00:11:54] have already been deployed in the capital
[00:11:58] thanks to the efforts of the State Emergency Service, and the Kyiv City State
[00:12:01] Administration also promised to deploy theirs. They work
[00:12:03] in those areas where the situation is most difficult,
[00:12:07] particularly in the Obolon, Podil and Shevchenkivskyi districts.
[00:12:10] Obolon and Podil districts, there are such
[00:12:14] points of invincibility, as of yesterday there were no people
[00:12:17] there, or, as the State Emergency Service employees say, there were
[00:12:21] very few, about ten, but we understand that the
[00:12:24] situation... with electricity
[00:12:27] was not so critical yesterday, for example, yesterday in the capital it was about
[00:12:30] 22° during the day, so accordingly, even if there was no electricity,
[00:12:34] people went out for a walk, however, today it has
[00:12:37] already gotten colder, it's colder, so of course I think that
[00:12:41] these points of invincibility will be more in demand among
[00:12:45] Kyiv residents and guests of the capital, and
[00:12:47] despite the fact that there are no people, they continue to work, they are there,
[00:12:51] there are State Emergency Service employees, there are police employees, there are...
[00:12:55] generators, so you can charge phones there,
[00:12:59] Starlinks also work there, accordingly, when there is no
[00:13:01] electricity, oh, there will be no connection either,
[00:13:05] you can get it there, you can connect to
[00:13:09] Wi-Fi for free, currently, unlike last winter, they don't offer tea or coffee
[00:13:12] to warm up, but they say that with the
[00:13:16] change in the situation, they will also change their services, they will expand them,
[00:13:19] they will also expand the number of these points of invincibility, if there is
[00:13:23] such a need, that is... but of course, if the situation is
[00:13:26] very critical, then many of them are needed, because one point
[00:13:30] of invincibility can accommodate about a hundred people, but I don't know for sure,
[00:13:34] this should be clarified with the State Emergency Service, and well, they can deliver
[00:13:37] chairs there, and in previous winters people even spent the night there, because
[00:13:41] it was very cold in their homes, and this was the only option
[00:13:45] to sleep in warmth, and it helped many
[00:13:48] people, and Kyiv residents, with whom we spoke, say that they will definitely
[00:13:51] use their services when there is a need.
[00:13:55] Thank you, Kateryna, Kateryna Halko, special correspondent
[00:13:58] of the TV channel about the situation in Kyiv and how much the so-called
[00:14:02] points of invincibility will be able to perform
[00:14:05] their assigned mission. I remind you, dear viewers, that
[00:14:09] in just a few minutes on Espresso TV there will be a live broadcast
[00:14:12] from the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador of Ukraine, this is
[00:14:16] the diplomatic rank of the former Ambassador of Ukraine to
[00:14:19] the United States, Valeriy Chaly. Wait
[00:14:22] for... of course, an important interpretation of what is happening in
[00:14:26] American-Ukrainian relations. Well,
[00:14:36] to help solve utility problems in
[00:14:39] Kyiv? Klitschko, Kyiv City Military
[00:14:42] Administration, Cabinet of Ministers, President's Office. Join us, your opinion
[00:14:46] is important to us. Well, now let's discuss the
[00:14:49] Warsaw Security Forum. A central
[00:14:52] event, not just a central event.
[00:14:57] An event where a real
[00:14:59] strategy is discussed in order
[00:15:03] to stop possible Russian military provocations,
[00:15:06] particularly against the Baltic states and against Poland.
[00:15:19] there is the so-called perimeter of the security forum's agenda, I think many
[00:15:22] official statements were made, but the most important
[00:15:25] thing is what was said between the lines, right, what was said in
[00:15:29] the corridors, and we understand that Putin's aggression,
[00:15:33] particularly under sad circumstances, refers to
[00:15:36] the strange behavior of Donald Trump, so,
[00:15:39] Putin's aggression is becoming a possible new
[00:15:42] reality, what is the temperature now in this
[00:15:46] aspect in Warsaw? Please share. The temperature is actually hot, I can
[00:15:49] say, because all the events before that, before this, heated it up. We
[00:15:53] saw Russian provocations, we saw them of
[00:15:57] a hybrid nature and the heating up of this story with
[00:16:00] the Baltics, with the Baltic countries, and with the Suwalki corridor, we saw that
[00:16:04] just recently... Polish special services thwarted
[00:16:09] an assassination attempt on the life of Polish
[00:16:11] Prime Minister Tusk, Defense Minister Kosiniak-Kamysz,
[00:16:15] and therefore all these people were at the forum today, they opened it, and it is
[00:16:18] very symbolic that precisely after all these threats
[00:16:22] there were indeed enhanced security
[00:16:26] measures for entry to the forum,
[00:16:30] extraordinary measures were taken by the police,
[00:16:33] special services... like never before, obviously, but it is very
[00:16:36] important that these people were not afraid, they opened
[00:16:39] this forum, and it is also very important and symbolic that the first
[00:16:43] panel, the first discussion was opened by Polish
[00:16:46] Prime Minister Donald Tusk and Ukrainian President Volodymyr
[00:16:50] Zelensky, this is also against the background of these recent events, this is also very
[00:16:53] important and very symbolic, of course Volodymyr Zelensky was online, but
[00:16:56] nevertheless, in general I would say that the first half of the day
[00:17:00] passed completely under a Ukrainian focus, about...
[00:17:04] they talked a lot, about Ukraine they mentioned at every
[00:17:07] step, and about Ukraine, Ukraine was at the top
[00:17:10] of practically all statements, both the Polish Prime Minister's and
[00:17:13] the Norwegian one, which is no less important, because this forum this year
[00:17:17] was under the patronage of Norway, Norway was
[00:17:20] chosen as a partner country, and this is very important, because,
[00:17:24] for example, Norway, which has 1.3 trillion
[00:17:27] gold and foreign exchange reserves and in terms of its
[00:17:31] aid to Ukraine, it is approaching
[00:17:34] French aid in terms of GDP, if we mean, that is, Norway is a certain
[00:17:38] leader among the countries of Northern Europe, and they signed
[00:17:41] a strategic agreement with Poland, because today, just this evening,
[00:17:45] just before I joined you now, it was
[00:17:49] an agreement signed between the ministers of defense, on strategic
[00:17:52] partnership, there was talk of drones, there was talk of Ukraine, again, much was
[00:17:55] said, because before that, this
[00:17:59] northern axis, these Nordics, as we call them,
[00:18:02] from Britain to the Finns... the Baltics, somehow
[00:18:05] Poland always fell out of this context, right, that is, they were sort of
[00:18:09] present, but they were oriented either towards Washington,
[00:18:13] or towards some other parameters, here we see that
[00:18:16] Poland obviously is also moving towards
[00:18:19] this northern partnership,
[00:18:22] the Norwegian Prime Minister today very clearly said
[00:18:25] that the security of Europe is
[00:18:29] the security of the North Sea and the Baltic
[00:18:32] Sea and the Black Sea,
[00:18:35] in fact we... see
[00:18:38] that the Norwegian Prime Minister, you know,
[00:18:41] in a certain way, somewhat revived
[00:18:45] this idea, the Intermarium, the Polish idea, or
[00:18:49] in the Ukrainian interpretation of Vyacheslav Lypynsky's idea of
[00:18:52] the Baltic-Black Sea arc, only in this case it is no longer just
[00:18:55] a vision, it is no longer just an idea, but it is already
[00:18:59] absolutely fundamental things that have obvious
[00:19:01] resources, God grant that there are not only financial
[00:19:05] resources, we understand that the question can be
[00:19:09] formulated extremely harshly, it is about a military
[00:19:12] Russian provocation, in particular it is about a missile
[00:19:16] strike by drones on this or that military
[00:19:19] object of the alliance member states,
[00:19:22] and most likely this could be, this could be
[00:19:25] accompanied by an additional level of escalation, and we are talking
[00:19:29] specifically about Poland, about Estonia, Lithuania,
[00:19:32] Latvia, possibly about Finland, and
[00:19:35] Norwegian money is extremely important. Well, important, but in the medium term,
[00:19:39] the most important thing is the readiness
[00:19:42] of Norwegians, the readiness of Finns, the readiness of Poles,
[00:19:46] Czechs, and so on, to defend a NATO
[00:19:49] member country in the event of an unprovoked
[00:19:52] military attack by Russia. So, and what
[00:19:55] kind of moods did you feel,
[00:19:58] or what messages were voiced, what is the spirit, the
[00:20:01] spirit of Warsaw?
[00:20:05] The spirit can be divided into two sub-spirits, I'll tell you
[00:20:08] this, that is, if we are talking about military personnel, of whom there were
[00:20:11] many today from different countries, with NATO
[00:20:14] insignia and the like, with generals, with colonels, these
[00:20:18] people are absolutely, they are military, they are ready to carry out their order
[00:20:22] and they say it absolutely honestly in the corridors, and they do not hesitate, they
[00:20:26] understand what to do and protocols and the like.
[00:20:30] When we talk about politicians, here questions arise, and
[00:20:33] obviously the Warsaw Forum itself is very interesting in this regard, because...
[00:20:37] uh Poland, you know, the Warsaw Forum somewhat resembles, perhaps,
[00:20:41] the Munich Security Conference, but if the Munich
[00:20:44] Conference is more global for the world, then the Warsaw
[00:20:48] Forum is for Central Europe, for Eastern Europe, for Southern Europe,
[00:20:52] Northern Europe, yes, without, perhaps, the American component,
[00:20:56] although there were many Americans today, Kurt Volker was there,
[00:20:59] there were retired
[00:21:02] generals, well, there were many of them, but we understand that these are not the people
[00:21:06] who are making decisions now, and therefore this anxiety,
[00:21:10] of course, exists, because even if
[00:21:13] the general
[00:21:14] commander of NATO
[00:21:18] military forces in Europe said that they have
[00:21:22] F-35s, and this is their unconditional advantage over
[00:21:26] Russia, and you know, I then spoke with Serhiy Prytula in the corridors,
[00:21:29] he says, well, you
[00:21:32] understand, it's good that there are tanks, it's good that there are planes,
[00:21:35] but in modern warfare, even drones are not decisive,
[00:21:39] we Ukrainians have learned to fight and can teach others, the drone
[00:21:43] ecosystem already, do NATO countries have it today,
[00:21:46] well, obviously not, and one can...
[00:21:50] threaten, and now this theory of victory, which was presented
[00:21:53] at the Warsaw Security Forum, is actually
[00:21:56] threatening, it's warning, it's well, don't dare to get involved,
[00:22:00] because it will hurt you, but will Putin listen to this
[00:22:04] theory, will he cross the red line, well, that's the question
[00:22:07] actually, will these tanks and these
[00:22:11] imaginary F-35s stop him, because for him it's
[00:22:14] imaginary, he won't stop until he feels them in battle,
[00:22:17] he probably won't know if he will stop.
[00:22:21] This is an extremely important, though rhetorical question, will
[00:22:24] Putin stop? I think that Putin knows about the presence of
[00:22:27] F-35s, but Putin is counting on
[00:22:31] a lack of political will and courage, that is,
[00:22:34] his task is to maximally raise the level
[00:22:37] of escalation, because everyone understands what Putin is threatening with,
[00:22:40] and Putin talked about this at Valdai. Finally,
[00:22:44] Ukraine and more systematic and courageous
[00:22:48] assistance for us, in particular, when we
[00:22:50] talk about possible additional aviation for our
[00:22:54] needs and strengthening of air defense systems, but not
[00:22:57] somewhere sometime after Easter, but right now,
[00:23:00] in the near future.
[00:23:03] Well, obviously, these decisions must be made
[00:23:06] by national governments, so, in any case,
[00:23:09] at the level of statements, what was said
[00:23:12] at the Warsaw forum, everything is clearly okay, that is, there were statements
[00:23:15] that Ukraine urgently needs 300 Patriot missiles, yes, there was such a
[00:23:20] statement, there was talk that Ukraine needs further assistance
[00:23:23] with F-16
[00:23:27] missiles, which are currently most effective in
[00:23:30] shooting down jet drones, all this was there, but we understand that this
[00:23:34] is a forum, it is not a place where decisions are made, although many
[00:23:37] things are indeed decided, because besides open panels, open discussions,
[00:23:41] closed ones are held, and where
[00:23:45] they speak much more frankly, and by the way, where, for example, Ukrainian
[00:23:49] experts are present, Serhiy Prytula today was at a very interesting
[00:23:52] discussion and says that this
[00:23:55] understanding exists, but the speed
[00:23:58] levels of each country are different,
[00:24:01] and well, it seems that everyone is ready, but that's the
[00:24:05] trouble, this solidarity, you know, it's very good when
[00:24:09] rhetorical things are proclaimed, but when it comes to having
[00:24:13] to pull out of your pocket, everyone starts looking at each other and
[00:24:17] wondering, well, who's first, who's second? Although I must
[00:24:20] note that, unlike perhaps previous
[00:24:23] years, months, Poles have become very active,
[00:24:27] and it is truly felt, despite all the skepticism
[00:24:30] and the fact that not everything is always smooth in our relations
[00:24:33] and the like, Poles feel
[00:24:36] that trouble is very close,
[00:24:39] that is, this tension is felt, it exists both at the level
[00:24:42] of the military and at the level of politicians, and you know, it's very interesting not even what
[00:24:46] they say, but how they look when they say it. For example, today I saw
[00:24:50] Radosław Sikorski, well, I haven't seen him so tense
[00:24:53] in a long time, honestly, that is, they have an understanding that some
[00:24:57] storm is already at the doorstep, and that's why Poles are so active
[00:25:00] now. Thank you, Oleh, Oleh Manchera, journalist
[00:25:03] of Espreso TV channel, my colleague TV presenter, was in touch with me from Warsaw
[00:25:07] and analyzed the situation at today's
[00:25:10] Warsaw security forum. I remind you that we are conducting
[00:25:14] a poll, the enemy struck Kyiv today, and
[00:25:17] in the evening... drone fragments fell in six
[00:25:21] districts of Kyiv, yes, unfortunately, there are
[00:25:24] victims, and at the same time, there are big
[00:25:27] problems with electricity supply, so we are conducting a poll,
[00:25:30] I remind you, who should exert themselves to help
[00:25:34] solve utility problems in Kyiv?
[00:25:37] Klitschko, Kyiv City Military Administration,
[00:25:40] Cabinet of Ministers or the President's Office, join in, your
[00:25:44] vote is important to us, well, and as I announced
[00:25:48] earlier, now we have on the line the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary
[00:25:51] Ambassador, Chairman of the Board of the Ukrainian Crisis
[00:25:55] Media Center, state political figure
[00:25:58] of Ukraine, Valeriy Chaly.
[00:26:11] of Ukraine heard
[00:26:14] representatives of his negotiation group, or
[00:26:17] the Ukrainian negotiation group, yes.
[00:26:21] Over the weekend, they met with Kushner and Steve
[00:26:25] Witkoff. Well, in any case, the Kremlin
[00:26:28] rejects any possible
[00:26:31] palliative solutions and they are insisting on the fulfillment of their
[00:26:35] ultimatum. Mr. Ambassador, I would ask
[00:26:38] you to assess the situation we are in and
[00:26:41] how harshly Donald Trump can play against
[00:26:45] us, supporting his, well, I don't want
[00:26:48] to say counterpart, but a certain already
[00:26:52] partner of Vladimir Putin. Your turn, Mr.
[00:26:55] Ambassador. Well, the situation, in
[00:26:58] principle, you all followed it.
[00:27:02] It was connected with the fact that actually
[00:27:06] the President of the USA, he
[00:27:09] proposed lifting sanctions, well, specifically on
[00:27:12] the supply of oil products,
[00:27:14] diesel for purposes, essentially electoral, to lower
[00:27:18] the price, to correct his
[00:27:21] and his party's support, well, this is not
[00:27:25] the only measure, there are others planned, sanctions need
[00:27:28] to be lifted in order to allow
[00:27:31] to... make a deal with Lukoil,
[00:27:34] where there is also an American company.
[00:27:38] Well, I immediately reacted to this in such a way
[00:27:41] that I objectively do not see any
[00:27:44] grounds for the situation to change
[00:27:47] fundamentally for us, but it, as it turned out,
[00:27:50] worsened, because these
[00:27:53] attempts to play, as the President
[00:27:56] of the USA says, in the interests of the American people, that is, he even,
[00:28:00] well, honestly says that in the interests of... he generally doesn't want to do anything
[00:28:03] for others, well, for Ukrainians, if we hoped
[00:28:07] for this, but I want to say one thing right away:
[00:28:10] for some reason, only Donald Trump is constantly mentioned, well, it's
[00:28:14] clear that he is the president, he is now the head
[00:28:17] of the executive branch, he is not like
[00:28:20] us, in their country the president is responsible for all
[00:28:24] executive decisions, but this is not only developed
[00:28:28] by him, there is now a complex configuration of opinions in
[00:28:31] America. and today we talked about this
[00:28:35] with me as a guest in my format geopolitical dialogues
[00:28:38] in the Ukrainian media center was Pavlo Klimkin, he also
[00:28:42] confirmed this
[00:28:45] assumption that, for example, Marco Rubio has now somewhat
[00:28:48] distanced himself from this, there are other
[00:28:51] players, so this is not just his personal
[00:28:54] records of Donald Trump
[00:28:57] there, as he likes epistolary, so that
[00:29:01] the market somewhere... to make it more
[00:29:04] volatile, so that they earn on this, he does it sometimes, unfortunately,
[00:29:07] for Americans, but here is a different story, he
[00:29:11] actually, well, in fact, there is a retransmission
[00:29:14] of Russian demands, that is, we thought that the stage
[00:29:17] when Donald Trump would try to establish
[00:29:21] peace, as he said, it ended
[00:29:25] precisely with the mechanism of pressure on Ukraine, we hoped that there would be a new
[00:29:29] stage where he could use...
[00:29:32] finally, on October 17, already completely the law
[00:29:36] on sanctions against Russia,
[00:29:39] and in the name of Graham, whom, well, everyone
[00:29:42] said, we honor Graham, and his
[00:29:45] legacy, and we will do this, in the end he
[00:29:48] turned around, in my opinion, well, I believe that this turn is very
[00:29:51] serious, if earlier some things
[00:29:54] were covered up, something was
[00:29:57] said one thing, then another was done, now it seems
[00:30:01] to me, everything is much more serious. everything is much more serious in the
[00:30:05] sense that such an action, in essence, does not
[00:30:08] increase sanctions on Russia, well, Donald Trump, and not only him, I repeat,
[00:30:11] the Ministry of Finance, Bessen, others, they
[00:30:14] have not imposed any sanctions on Russia during this period, and
[00:30:18] now they have started a bunch of initiatives to lift sanctions from
[00:30:22] Russia, that's one, so this can be followed by threats,
[00:30:26] well, the media write that they have already followed, well, I don't know, the media write it,
[00:30:30] but this is... and regarding
[00:30:33] the termination of the provision
[00:30:36] of any space data, well, what kind of space
[00:30:39] reconnaissance data is that, Mr. Ambassador, I wanted to
[00:30:43] dwell on this a little more in detail, look, well,
[00:30:46] we understand, we don't even fully realize how
[00:30:50] harshly the current American administration can play, especially when we
[00:30:54] talk about Ukraine, about our...
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