ESPRESO — broadcast 20261012 183000 UTC 517 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] But now, it seems to me, everything is much more serious, everything is much [00:00:04] more serious in the sense that with such [00:00:07] actions, essentially not to [00:00:10] increase sanctions on Russia, well Donald Trump, and not only him, again, [00:00:13] I say, the Ministry of Finance, Besen, others, [00:00:16] they did not impose any sanctions on Russia during this period, and [00:00:20] now they have started a bunch of initiatives to lift sanctions from [00:00:24] Russia, that's one. This may be followed by [00:00:27] threats, well, the media writes that... they have already followed, well, I don't know, [00:00:31] the media writes this, but it's logical, and [00:00:33] regarding the cessation [00:00:36] of providing any space [00:00:39] data, well, what is space intelligence data? This is a really [00:00:42] regime, Mr. Ambassador, I actually wanted to dwell on this [00:00:46] in a little more detail, look, well, we [00:00:49] understand, we don't even fully realize how harshly [00:00:52] the current American administration can play, especially when we [00:00:56] talk about Ukraine, right? About our... [00:01:00] your life, so, well, but [00:01:02] intelligence data [00:01:04] on transferring [00:01:07] weapons to Ukraine bought with European [00:01:10] money, right? Well, but which are manufactured or [00:01:14] licensed by the United States, this is currently an assumption, but if [00:01:18] we talk about the probability of such a thing, well, because the tandem [00:01:21] of Elon Musk with the American president, [00:01:24] it is alarming, and they demonstrate their [00:01:28] readiness to press us, not the president, not even [00:01:32] Volodymyr Zelenskyy, specifically to press us, [00:01:35] Ukraine, here I will [00:01:38] argue with you, you are wrong, everything [00:01:41] rests on the decision of President Zelenskyy, [00:01:45] you are wrong, this is really so, they think that Ukrainians, [00:01:49] the Ukrainian people, who suffered, it [00:01:52] is really terrible. Trump, by the way, not the first time I see him, when [00:01:56] he is really affected. [00:02:00] by the scale, the number of deaths during COVID, it was the [00:02:03] same, but he is not a person with some, you know, [00:02:07] empathy or such compassion, no, he [00:02:11] considers it only in [00:02:13] parameters that he does not understand, because he [00:02:16] would have always retreated in such a [00:02:19] situation, well, as it has actually happened [00:02:23] more than once, if he saw that the goals take up a lot [00:02:27] of resources and do not bring... [00:02:30] profit, but Ukrainians do it differently, and [00:02:34] I believe that in Washington, as [00:02:36] it was, so it remains, a misunderstanding [00:02:39] of the specifics of exercising power in [00:02:42] Ukraine, well, or, let's say, not power, but let's say [00:02:45] making important strategic decisions for the country, they [00:02:49] still do not understand, as in Moscow, why it [00:02:52] happens that if the President [00:02:55] of Ukraine, well, there signed some agreement, well, that [00:02:58] Putin wants, then it... would become a law [00:03:00] for Ukraine, because it is an international [00:03:04] treaty, but we don't have it that way, this is us, if this agreement and [00:03:07] the president signs an agreement that contradicts national [00:03:11] interests, well, in this case, one can talk about [00:03:14] capitulation, non-capitulation, well, at least now it is necessary to sign an agreement with [00:03:18] Russia on changing the state border of Ukraine, so, if [00:03:21] simply put, I'm not even talking about reducing the armed forces, about [00:03:25] neutrality, just changing the state border, and [00:03:28] President Trump does such things, you see, [00:03:31] he goes for things that Congress does not [00:03:34] support, even now it is visible, there is a law in Congress [00:03:37] that prohibits [00:03:41] receiving, importing Russian oil products, but [00:03:44] President Trump does otherwise, and the White [00:03:48] House lawyers are now trying to defend all this with [00:03:51] their arguments, relying on [00:03:54] another legislative act, and he does not know that in Ukraine [00:03:57] the President of Ukraine cannot sign anything, [00:04:01] in Russia Putin can sign anything, Trump [00:04:05] can sign anything, not in Ukraine, [00:04:08] in democratic countries, and, and I [00:04:11] believe that, unfortunately, America is currently in a difficult [00:04:14] political situation, they have authoritarian tendencies, [00:04:17] and very often this branch of government, [00:04:20] the presidential one, it puts pressure on [00:04:24] many rules, norms, established in America, and this is not [00:04:28] the first year, the first term. [00:04:30] he somehow still tried to listen to serious [00:04:33] professional advisors, he didn't like all these explanations that it [00:04:37] is against the law, the second term, he decided for himself not to pay [00:04:41] attention to this, so what he does, I understand, [00:04:45] he doesn't think about Ukraine at all, because [00:04:49] he has his own goals and he justifies this with the interests [00:04:52] of the American people, that's all, but why did it happen [00:04:56] that he started transmitting narratives... [00:05:00] Russian ones, so I also have [00:05:03] an assumption that he may simply further, not [00:05:07] trusting his, even his entourage, he [00:05:11] always distrusts... many people, he [00:05:14] may trust Putin's words, and [00:05:18] if Putin, and this is already clear, insisted that [00:05:21] Ukraine must stop hitting [00:05:24] oil refineries, then Trump did [00:05:28] as Putin asked, Ukraine must stop hitting [00:05:31] oil refineries. Well, one can joke about this, [00:05:34] ironize, one can tell Ukraine not to hit [00:05:37] strategic Russian bombers that [00:05:41] kill Ukrainians, but this, well, this is what [00:05:44] we think, that he lives in a paradigm of values, some kind [00:05:48] of legislation, warfare, nothing of the sort, he [00:05:52] lives in a paradigm of pure interests, [00:05:55] that, [00:05:57] well, what was in the 19th century, when aggressive countries [00:06:01] were allowed to occupy other territories, it's [00:06:05] simpler for him, in his system of coordinates, it's a simpler [00:06:08] world, and he really likes more [00:06:12] what... Putin does, what even the North [00:06:14] Korean president does, well, this [00:06:18] dictator, Kim Jong Un, well, these are the realities, and we need to learn to [00:06:21] live with them, why, and now the most important thing, we can discuss as much as we want [00:06:25] what else Trump will do, he has already [00:06:29] done this, and the 45th President [00:06:31] Trump did all these things, only there were mechanisms [00:06:35] of control over these actions, they still exist, for example, he cannot [00:06:39] just stop supplying us with some [00:06:42] intelligence data, he cannot, all this is done not [00:06:46] only by him, there is also intelligence counter-terrorism, there is the Pentagon, [00:06:50] he cannot stop all this like that, he cannot [00:06:52] stop the sale of weapons, because these are contracts, these are [00:06:56] the interests of the military-industrial or [00:06:59] defense-industrial complex of the USA, well, since they already have [00:07:02] a Ministry of War, then probably the military-industrial complex, that is, [00:07:06] much has changed, this is not the same Trump, by the way, he [00:07:09] today, so that you understand what is happening, [00:07:12] he today criticized the agreement, [00:07:15] harshly, said who signed this stupid agreement, [00:07:19] he signed it in 2018, [00:07:22] so one could say, these are two different presidents, and this [00:07:25] is largely true, so we need to [00:07:28] learn to live with what we have, and what we have is that until the first [00:07:32] of January next [00:07:35] year, there will still be such a configuration, there most [00:07:38] likely Trump will no longer have such opportunities as now, I... [00:07:42] that he still wants to have time before when most [00:07:46] likely he will lose the opportunity in the House [00:07:49] of Representatives to pass his budget decisions, or perhaps [00:07:52] also in the Senate to pass his simply there [00:07:55] candidates. The probability of impeachment starting [00:07:59] the procedure is 85%, that is, this will be the third time. [00:08:02] The probability of impeachment ending with the removal [00:08:06] of the US President from power, for the first time in these [00:08:09] years it appeared, because if the Senate is behind... [00:08:13] bars, then there is a high probability that Trump will not remain in office [00:08:16] until the end of his term, but during this entire period he [00:08:20] will, at least, be in the position [00:08:22] of US President, he can influence [00:08:26] barriers, boycotting aid to Ukraine, this is why [00:08:30] we will have to deal with him, and whether we want to or not, well, here [00:08:33] the main thing, Mr. Ambassador, in what [00:08:36] role will Donald Trump act, either as a neutral, so to [00:08:40] speak, arbiter? judge, or as [00:08:44] a potential ally of Putin, or as a specific ally [00:08:47] of Putin, yes, because non-interference in [00:08:50] a situation where Putin is preparing, literally, for [00:08:53] genocidal acts in [00:08:57] Kyiv, well, that already smells, so [00:09:00] to speak, not too good. I would like to quote, well, what [00:09:04] then, and what will you do with this, what will you do with this, I will tell you more, [00:09:07] the probability that he will look even [00:09:11] more towards Russia after the elections is [00:09:14] obvious, that is, only more [00:09:17] controlling mechanisms will appear regarding his [00:09:20] actions, but he will remain in the presidential office with all [00:09:24] possibilities of influence, it's just that Congress, if both chambers [00:09:27] go to the Democrats, there will also [00:09:31] be changes in the Supreme Court, he currently has a majority in the Supreme Court, so, [00:09:35] if you think that [00:09:38] many decisions he introduces will be liked by [00:09:49] his actions in memory of Ronald Reagan, that is, half the country [00:09:53] harshly, well, if frankly there [00:09:56] hate their president, I just don't [00:09:59] understand how he was elected a second time, so, [00:10:03] you know, if they elect him a second time, it's not that I don't understand, I actually [00:10:06] understand, the domestic policy in the USA, which [00:10:10] was carried out by Republican Donald. it [00:10:13] largely corrected the mistakes that were made before [00:10:16] him, he did that, and then he started making a lot [00:10:20] of his mistaken steps, well, we [00:10:23] get these quite [00:10:27] controversial proposals, in the USA he already signs specific [00:10:29] decisions on taxes, on [00:10:33] how people live, for them it is important whether they can, like for [00:10:37] all of us, whether in peacetime, children can [00:10:40] study at university, at school, whether their food can be [00:10:43] provided, whether the healthcare [00:10:47] system is correct, but now he has already, you see, [00:10:51] transitioned during the war, he has become [00:10:54] different. It is easier for him to find understanding with [00:10:57] Putin, and this is obvious, than with [00:11:01] Zelenskyy, this is also obvious, but again, [00:11:04] Trump is a political animal, [00:11:08] let's say, Trump is, well, in the good sense of the word, Trump is [00:11:11] a person very profit-oriented, on profit, well, [00:11:15] we will have to understand how in these conditions, at least [00:11:19] minimize Russian influence, this is the first task, [00:11:22] and this influence has increased, this is a victory. Let's [00:11:25] admit now that they pushed through Trump, [00:11:28] unfortunately, but we can, we have certain levers against this. [00:11:32] Well, God grant, if we have [00:11:35] levers, I would just like to quote to our viewers [00:11:38] the position of the [00:11:41] Kremlin, voiced by Putin's spokesman [00:11:44] Peskov. So, in Crimea they rejected the idea of [00:11:47] a 60-day truce for holding [00:11:50] possible elections in Ukraine, but they assumed [00:11:54] that they would not strike on the same day, [00:11:57] on election day, these are fresh Kremlin [00:12:01] statements, well, and Michael Carpenter, with whom [00:12:04] I had the honor of speaking a couple of days ago, I know that you treat [00:12:08] him respectfully, and he also values you highly, [00:12:12] Mr. Ambassador, so Michael Carpenter in [00:12:15] a conversation with me noted, I quote him, he is [00:12:19] the former US Ambassador at Large to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in [00:12:22] Europe, he said that... European [00:12:26] leaders must finally realize that the United [00:12:29] States has effectively dropped out of the game, [00:12:33] so Europe will have to take the initiative [00:12:35] itself. We don't know how [00:12:38] ready European leaders will be to take military [00:12:42] initiative themselves, and whether there is even any point [00:12:45] in talking about Europe as a holistic construct, will [00:12:49] Germany, France, [00:12:52] Poland, the Baltic states, Romania, and so on, be [00:12:55] ready to respond with force in case of military provocation, [00:12:59] but there is also a request for me to clarify, that Elon [00:13:03] Musk calls Donald [00:13:06] Trump, or vice versa, Donald Trump calls Musk and says, well, [00:13:10] let's not provide Ukraine with everything [00:13:14] that Ukraine needs, especially when we [00:13:17] are talking about the [00:13:19] use of Starlinks and the use of American [00:13:23] intelligence information, right? So... because it is used, [00:13:26] in particular, for our military [00:13:29] needs, Mr. Ambassador, can [00:13:32] such a combination happen in the next couple of weeks, [00:13:35] a month? [00:13:38] Well, first, I'm pleased that Mike said that, I also consider [00:13:42] him not just an OSCE ambassador, he had worked in the White House before, [00:13:46] and he was on the Ukrainian [00:13:49] track, he was President Biden's right-hand man, [00:13:52] only Biden's, not Trump's. There [00:13:56] are nuances in this, so he, of course, did much more for [00:13:59] Ukraine. Now, regarding whether [00:14:02] Musk can, because Musk has been brought [00:14:05] back closer to the White House, they already had [00:14:09] a dispute there, because Elon Musk introduced [00:14:12] a program that strictly computationally [00:14:15] controlled who earned how much in the US [00:14:19] bureaucracy system, and thus accidentally came [00:14:21] out, well, essentially exposed agents. He [00:14:25] started to be interested in salaries that were not [00:14:28] reflected in specific job positions, and this was [00:14:32] real closed secret information about American [00:14:35] agents, and Rubio naturally asked Donald [00:14:39] Trump to react to this somehow, it even became [00:14:43] public, well, why do I say this so boldly, because I heard it in [00:14:47] a public discussion of the US government when Musk was invited to [00:14:50] explain the situation, so his little shop [00:14:53] was closed, although they created a lot [00:14:56] of bad things there, well, but they also exposed the problems of the American [00:15:00] bureaucratic system, this Deep State that Trump doesn't like. Then they [00:15:04] quarreled, because Musk is also like that, he is very direct in this regard, [00:15:08] he quarreled with Trump, but recently there was a meeting [00:15:11] of Trump with large companies in Volley, well, this is [00:15:14] California, California where IT companies are, and they [00:15:18] also Trump earned from their suggestion more than 1.5 [00:15:22] billion dollars of his own assets, himself. It was [00:15:25] precisely on the increase of IT work, well, now he wants [00:15:29] artificial intelligence to develop in the USA, actually [00:15:33] without any replaying of control, and he wants them to generally [00:15:36] forget that there is some... gradation like in China on [00:15:39] artificial intelligence and on some universal artificial [00:15:43] intelligence, he said, let's call everything [00:15:45] superintelligence, whoever doesn't call it that, they are my enemies, [00:15:49] and therefore now he has put his stake on this [00:15:52] group, which G. W. Bush previously [00:15:55] represented as vice president, so he brought Musk [00:15:58] closer again, why am I telling such a long story? because even two months [00:16:02] ago it would have been possible to talk to Musk through other [00:16:05] channels and he would not have... gone for it, now he will fulfill [00:16:09] President Donald Trump's request. Remember, there was already [00:16:12] a case with Starlinks, they cut off our Starlinks [00:16:15] when it was, well, essentially very important [00:16:18] for us, but now the situation is more difficult, Russians are making [00:16:22] their own system, well, they are launching satellites, the system is being [00:16:26] developed for them, let's say, by someone from outside, judging [00:16:29] by everything, but they are launching satellites, and soon they can [00:16:33] have this, and if then they had it and we had it. [00:16:38] Starlink was used, and if they have it after some time, and we [00:16:41] don't, this will be a very difficult situation, so potentially, this [00:16:45] is a threat to us, and we need to take this into account. [00:16:49] Well, this is a serious threat, especially considering that, well, [00:16:53] the combination of the American president, it [00:16:56] really has a clear Russian flavor, a clear [00:17:00] Kremlin smell. Yes, because, well, we understand [00:17:03] that there are no oil refineries left in Ukraine, well... [00:17:07] there's one oil refinery working at some third of its capacity, [00:17:11] right, but in Russia the situation with [00:17:15] oil refining could have become critical for their [00:17:19] budget and for the psychological state [00:17:22] of their population, right, because we remember how actively they [00:17:26] reacted to problems with gasoline, well, and [00:17:28] here we have a situation, the enemy continues to hit [00:17:32] our cities, our homes, it hit a house in Kyiv [00:17:36] now, fragments fell across the capital, and we [00:17:40] understand that he will repeat this criminal [00:17:42] tactic daily, as much as we can, we will [00:17:46] neutralize, well, accordingly, we will strike [00:17:50] where we will strike them, especially since Ukraine did not [00:17:54] participate in Trump's, so to [00:17:56] speak, decisions, right? Trump confused everyone, [00:18:00] he only consulted with Putin, they couldn't [00:18:03] stop talking, as it was said in official [00:18:06] press... well, and now we will strike here and there, [00:18:09] wherever it reaches there, well, and it will ignite, accordingly, and [00:18:13] after that Trump will say: listen, you [00:18:16] see, Ukraine does not [00:18:19] want my wonderful proposal, and accordingly [00:18:23] will start to pressure, that's what I am afraid of, [00:18:26] well, Trump's former representative, General Keith Kellogg stated that [00:18:30] Russian oil refineries are legitimate military [00:18:33] targets for Ukraine, that's what he quoted, I would burn every [00:18:36] damn oil refinery that Russia has today, but [00:18:40] Keith Kellogg is retired, he is no longer [00:18:43] performing those presidential [00:18:47] assignments and tasks, what to do with [00:18:50] this attempt by Putin to drive [00:18:53] us into Trump's trap, because we cannot not strike, [00:18:57] because these are legitimate military targets, and this is confirmed by all [00:19:01] communications, [00:19:05] well, look, firstly, of course... we need to continue striking, because [00:19:09] this is really, we finally understand [00:19:12] that it hurts, and it affects both [00:19:16] the supply for the Russian army, [00:19:20] and, of course, the profits, not what there [00:19:23] is diesel, it will not be much in figures, 300 thousand, [00:19:27] 500 thousand, a million, this will be small, well, I calculated [00:19:31] it myself, just roughly, this is about 5 [00:19:34] billion dollars, all this is not that much money, but [00:19:37] the oil that goes, by the way, and that same diesel, it's not certain that it [00:19:41] will reach, if, well, it's obvious. What should [00:19:45] we do? We should have, and our people responded with a strike [00:19:48] on Rostov, it seems, this is the right [00:19:51] action, but we should not have called it [00:19:54] well, not called it, but fallen for the [00:19:57] provocation, so as not to personally offend [00:20:00] Trump, you understand, we still have all his personal insults, [00:20:04] he thus fuels his internal... decisions, [00:20:08] somewhere deep down, he doesn't understand, [00:20:12] what he is doing is perfectly clear, so he needs more [00:20:15] justification, and you are right that there is such a risk that someone [00:20:19] will violate it, Ukraine violated it, well, that's it, this story closed yesterday, [00:20:22] now everything has become even more obvious, Russia demanded and [00:20:26] demands that we not do this, not hit oil refineries, and [00:20:29] they continued to do what they want to do, [00:20:33] this is as if they were weak, a weak position, this is really... [00:20:37] a decision, just don't say there that Trump is weak, you saw how this [00:20:41] was provoked, a planted person, a planted [00:20:44] person, broke through with a microphone, a woman, [00:20:48] I didn't have time to understand who she represented, but she [00:20:52] was shouting, not a question to Trump, she shouted: "Do you know [00:20:56] what they said about you, do you know what they said about you, that you are weak?", and he only [00:20:59] asked, "Who said?", and she said: "Zelenskyy," he [00:21:03] said "Oh," okay, and kept silent, [00:21:06] and then, when the Ukrainian journalist, a Ukrainian [00:21:10] female journalist asked what would happen to Ukrainians who are [00:21:14] in TPS status or U in America, [00:21:17] he then delivered this whole tirade. [00:21:20] what he wanted to say, you understand that he was provoked, I believe that [00:21:24] it was, it was a classic Russian special operation, I [00:21:27] saw how Russians do it, they, they agree with [00:21:31] other journalists from other countries, and they do it that way, [00:21:34] it was a pure provocation, [00:21:38] and we need to, once again, I really ask our [00:21:41] officials not to give such [00:21:45] assessments personally to the US President, [00:21:49] he is the President of the USA, I mean, I see, well, I will tell [00:21:52] you honestly, even on my Facebook, when there are insults [00:21:56] of various kinds, I remove all of it, because these are not [00:21:59] jokes, he really, not just gets offended [00:22:03] by such things, when he says that he was not given the Nobel Prize, this [00:22:06] is a very internal wound of his, it [00:22:09] really affects him, when he says that they said [00:22:12] he is weak, so that you understand, if he had acted [00:22:15] differently, perhaps, then he will not [00:22:19] act differently now. So we need to be careful with this, he is such [00:22:22] a person, so it's better to keep quiet, inflict more strikes [00:22:26] on oil refineries, and not listen, and I believe that in this [00:22:29] case there are things that are higher [00:22:32] than, even, well, whatever [00:22:36] it was, trust is undermined, not by us, it is undermined [00:22:40] by the Americans, well, Trump, his entourage, [00:22:43] and it may, it will never equalize, never [00:22:46] between, by the way, I will tell you... well, between [00:22:50] President Zelenskyy and I think [00:22:54] between anyone who would be in this position now, [00:22:58] there would be no chemistry with Donald Trump [00:23:01] of this 47th vintage, there would be no chemistry, but we cannot [00:23:05] lose these contacts, these [00:23:07] opportunities, we need to do what [00:23:10] the Europeans did correctly when he started, [00:23:14] well, you saw what serious information [00:23:17] attacks were on European countries. And he [00:23:20] said so many things about Norway, now he is offended by it, because there is the Nobel [00:23:24] Committee, about Canada, what did he say? They initially [00:23:27] reacted emotionally, and then they [00:23:30] spat on it, because they listened to their intelligence services, psychologists, and [00:23:33] simply started doing what needed to be done for their [00:23:37] national security. If now, for our national [00:23:41] security, in the war, it [00:23:44] obviously now helps us to bring peace closer, we need to strike [00:23:48] oil refineries, then any statement by Trump, meaning, to stop [00:23:51] striking, must be, well, so that we are [00:23:54] prepared for this, the consequence must be an increase [00:23:57] in strikes, until there is a whole list [00:24:01] of proposals from Russia, regarding which not to strike, let them [00:24:04] send to Trump, not to us, let Putin send [00:24:08] to Trump, these are the targets in Russia that exist so [00:24:11] that they are not struck, and we in our turn, Ukraine [00:24:15] will send its list of what not to strike from us, and then this [00:24:19] is a serious conversation. And so this was, this was such [00:24:22] a way, you know, Trump's, by the way, not bad, actually, [00:24:25] it just didn't work, [00:24:28] it didn't work, and it won't work further, if we do [00:24:32] our job, but not call Trump various [00:24:35] names, no, no, no, you absolutely correctly [00:24:38] outlined, well, the norms of our [00:24:41] wise diplomatic behavior, I remind our viewers that [00:24:45] Ukrainian political and state figure, Ukrainian diplomat [00:24:48] Valeriy Chaly worked for them now. Head [00:24:52] of the Ukrainian Crisis Media Center, Extraordinary and [00:24:55] Plenipotentiary Ambassador of Ukraine - this is a diplomatic rank. Well, I [00:24:59] thank everyone who watched our broadcast and [00:25:02] who joined our Espresso poll. So, [00:25:06] the question was quite simple. Who, in your opinion, dear [00:25:09] viewers, should additionally exert themselves to help [00:25:12] solve communal problems in Kyiv. [00:25:15] Klitschko - 27%. 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