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[00:00:00] there was a situation where President Macron said directly
[00:00:03] that over 60% of foreign intelligence
[00:00:07] Ukraine received from official Paris,
[00:00:10] so in the current situation, this will all have
[00:00:13] an extremely negative effect
[00:00:16] on the reputation of the United States, which is already
[00:00:20] forced to fend off
[00:00:23] accusations that it is abandoning Europe
[00:00:26] at a time of serious threat from.
[00:00:30] The Russian Federation, as Whitaker tries to fight back and
[00:00:33] say that nothing of the sort will happen, that on the contrary,
[00:00:36] the states love Europe, so there are many such
[00:00:40] nuances, but nevertheless, I think that situationally, risks, even
[00:00:44] a short-term cessation, can still quite possibly occur,
[00:00:48] even before the Congressional elections, and it
[00:00:51] could be even more interesting after the elections, at least experts write that these actions
[00:00:54] regarding fuel for,
[00:00:57] as they say, American rednecks, American farmers, whom Trump supposedly cares about, will
[00:01:01] in principle no longer influence anything, analysts write,
[00:01:04] that it's late, but it's not too late to support Ukraine, I would like us to
[00:01:08] contrast this statement from the Financial Times about
[00:01:11] the possibility of the program being suspended,
[00:01:15] the functioning of the Purelo program, although again, this is money for American arms manufacturers, this is also
[00:01:19] business, quite serious business, business, by the way, which is connected not only with Republicans, but with
[00:01:23] Democrats, let's be frank, first of all with Democrats, there is its own
[00:01:26] story, but there is a statement by the Deputy Minister
[00:01:30] of Defense of Poland Cezary Tomczyk, who at the 13th
[00:01:33] Warsaw Security Forum announced
[00:01:36] the production of weapons for Ukraine and whether
[00:01:40] Poland is ready
[00:01:41] to do it?
[00:01:44] We cooperate very closely with the Americans, Ukraine also
[00:01:48] does everything possible to keep the United States on the right
[00:01:51] side. I understand that sometimes it's more difficult than it seems, but
[00:01:55] I believe that we have already done a lot, if we talk about the role
[00:01:59] of President Trump himself, so that today his activity would be
[00:02:02] aimed at ending the war on fair terms, even
[00:02:06] if sometimes this is not visible
[00:02:07] directly. Yes,
[00:02:10] the prospect of manufacturing, perhaps
[00:02:13] a larger number of weapons for Ukraine by Poland. By the way, there
[00:02:17] was also a statement by the Polish side that there may be problems with
[00:02:21] the supply of Patriot missiles, even those already contracted by the Polish
[00:02:25] side, may be suspended, because, because
[00:02:28] the American stock is depleted and there is a very large
[00:02:31] burden on American production, this is by the way, so
[00:02:35] the production of weapons specifically in Poland for Ukraine, this would be a good prospect, but how close is this
[00:02:39] prospect in your opinion?
[00:02:42] Well, if we are talking, for example, about the
[00:02:45] Patriot interceptor missiles themselves, I remind you that Poland has been
[00:02:49] working on this for quite a long time, about seven years,
[00:02:53] addressing this issue, and at the beginning
[00:02:57] of the summer even received preliminary...
[00:03:00] agreement from the US State Department for
[00:03:03] licenses for the production of Patriot, so
[00:03:06] from the point of view, for example, of quickly
[00:03:09] establishing production
[00:03:12] in Eastern Europe for
[00:03:15] the release, well, I understand that most likely we are talking about
[00:03:18] Pak-2 missiles, in order to
[00:03:22] satisfy the demand that exists in Poland, this can
[00:03:25] be done the fastest, especially since the NATO umbrella, this...
[00:03:30] is truly protected, and this could be
[00:03:33] done more quickly than it is currently in Ukraine, where attacks
[00:03:37] are taking place on, well, and in particular, our
[00:03:39] underground industrial
[00:03:43] facilities, but from the point of view of further production, I
[00:03:46] think that, of course, the topic of licenses for
[00:03:50] Patriot, what was previously discussed with Trump, by the way, we'll see if the Americans don't
[00:03:53] withdraw after all
[00:03:57] these innovations the topic of political agreement on
[00:04:01] granting licenses, but nevertheless, I think that both
[00:04:04] Ukrainian production and joint production with Poles, which can be quite
[00:04:08] organized, would give Europe the opportunity
[00:04:11] to ensure its further work on antithetical notes, Mr.
[00:04:15] Ihor, we have to finish, time has passed, thank you very much for joining us, thank you for the comments,
[00:04:18] Ihor Cholenko, political scientist, head of the Center for Analysis and Strategy was with us live
[00:04:22] and today such top events took place not only in Warsaw at
[00:04:26] the 13th security forum in Luxembourg. The Council of
[00:04:29] Foreign Ministers of the European Union countries met,
[00:04:32] there will be another summit at the end of the week, but today Tetyana Vysotska is with us, Tetyana,
[00:04:36] greetings, thank you for joining, well what was adopted today
[00:04:40] at the meeting of ministers in
[00:04:43] Luxembourg, Psybigha was present there, the Minister of Legal Affairs of Ukraine,
[00:04:46] his key statements, please, well,
[00:04:49] today there was a lot of information
[00:04:52] from Luxembourg, the EU foreign ministers gathered
[00:04:55] there, the first big news is that
[00:04:59] the largest sanction list
[00:05:02] against Russians in the entire history
[00:05:05] of EU sanctions against Russia was adopted, this is
[00:05:08] 1569. how to say
[00:05:14] listings of names
[00:05:16] in this list and out of them, for example,
[00:05:19] 826 companies that
[00:05:22] are directly related to the Russian
[00:05:25] military-industrial complex, as well as 743 individuals,
[00:05:29] this is the main concrete news today, because
[00:05:33] previously such large sanction lists were not
[00:05:36] adopted, and this is exactly the list that will complement
[00:05:39] the existing list. regarding the violation of the territorial
[00:05:43] integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, this is the same list from which
[00:05:46] Usmanov and Fridman
[00:05:49] were removed a few weeks ago,
[00:05:53] Russian oligarchs, so now this list
[00:05:56] will include over
[00:05:59] 4600 names and companies, so
[00:06:03] this is good news, plus another 77
[00:06:07] Russians were added to the list for participating in elections
[00:06:10] in the Russian Federation in the occupied territories of Ukraine,
[00:06:14] or these were also members of the central election
[00:06:18] commission who were directly involved in Russia,
[00:06:21] the Central Election Commission of Russia, who were directly involved in
[00:06:25] organizing these elections in the occupied territories, so this is
[00:06:28] a large block of news, further there is
[00:06:31] already a reaction from Europe to the fact that the Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada
[00:06:35] today approved amendments to the law on education,
[00:06:39] which open the way for Ukraine
[00:06:42] to open the second and third clusters on the path to membership in
[00:06:46] the European Union, and Hungary today has already
[00:06:50] clearly stated that they will not block
[00:06:53] this process, the Hungarian Foreign Minister
[00:06:56] Anita Orbán today met, among others, with
[00:07:00] Andriy Sybiha in Luxembourg and said that she
[00:07:03] welcomes the decision of the Verkhovna Rada and that Hungary is not against
[00:07:07] Ukraine opening clusters, so today also in
[00:07:10] Luxembourg. Not here in Brussels, today everything is there in Luxembourg,
[00:07:13] a meeting of European Union ambassadors will take place, who will officially
[00:07:17] schedule an intergovernmental conference for tomorrow,
[00:07:20] and tomorrow at 7 p.m. Kyiv time
[00:07:23] it will begin and the official opening of clusters
[00:07:27] 2 and 3 will take place, one more very brief question,
[00:07:31] we have literally a minute and a half, the European Commission told
[00:07:34] details of the negotiations in Maydami, the European side was present there, well, they supposedly stated that they
[00:07:38] support Ukraine in every way, but it didn't turn out very well. For the Ukrainian
[00:07:41] delegation, in general, in principle, President Zelensky said that behind our
[00:07:45] backs, it literally happened a minute ago, how it was
[00:07:48] voiced again by European negotiators?
[00:07:51] Well, European negotiators did not say
[00:07:55] anything bad about the American side, it should be noted, because journalists
[00:07:59] were pressing them today, and there was an interrogation
[00:08:03] today at the European Commission of the
[00:08:07] chief
[00:08:08] press secretary of the European
[00:08:12] Commission, Paola Pignola, they tried to
[00:08:15] find out from her whether
[00:08:19] the United States in any way pressured the European Union
[00:08:22] to stop aid to Ukraine, and she held on as best she could,
[00:08:26] did not say anything bad, but said only that, firstly, it is very important that indeed
[00:08:29] the European Union as a party was at the negotiating table,
[00:08:33] Bjorn Siebert, the head of Ursula
[00:08:37] von der Leyen's cabinet, the President of the European Commission,
[00:08:40] participated in these negotiations. And as the European Commission said,
[00:08:43] the EU supports Ukraine
[00:08:47] and the continuation of aid to Ukraine, so
[00:08:50] despite all, as we understand, all the pressure from
[00:08:53] the United States, the European Union said that
[00:08:57] it is necessary to increase pressure on Russia and support Ukraine, thank you very much, thank you very much Tetyana
[00:09:00] Vasotska, correspondent from European institutions was
[00:09:04] with us live, and now the Supreme Commander of the Allied Armed Forces
[00:09:07] of NATO in Europe, General Alexus Grinkevich, who presented
[00:09:11] the theory of victory in Warsaw. In an exclusive interview with TVP
[00:09:14] World, he revealed the details. Let's watch and
[00:09:17] listen.
[00:09:21] Speaking of threats, I think that if we narrow the focus a bit to
[00:09:24] our region, then in my opinion it is fair to say that many
[00:09:28] European citizens are somewhat not fully aware of the seriousness
[00:09:31] of the Russian threat. We see how Russians carry out subversive
[00:09:35] actions. We see how they conduct hybrid attacks. We see how
[00:09:38] drones repeatedly violate our airspace and...
[00:09:42] the scale of such incidents is expanding
[00:09:45] in general, and we also recently saw how ships
[00:09:49] were targeted in the Black Sea, but so far we have not seen
[00:09:52] an adequate reaction from NATO, so why at the moment NATO does not react
[00:09:55] more decisively?
[00:09:57] First, I think that the way
[00:10:02] you really described the opponent's actions very well and in detail, and what exactly we
[00:10:06] are dealing with, we often try to use
[00:10:09] abbreviations and call it... a gray zone or hybrid warfare, but that doesn't provide the precision you
[00:10:14] just did, I think this is what our public needs to understand,
[00:10:18] and as for how we react, each of
[00:10:21] these actions is directed at... against a specific country, and each country has
[00:10:25] a sovereign right and, frankly, an obligation to react to them
[00:10:29] in its own way. The Alliance reacts, I would say that when we
[00:10:32] see these actions, a lot of consultations happen behind the scenes.
[00:10:35] Often the public does not see this,
[00:10:38] as these are closed consultations during which we consider
[00:10:42] how exactly we can respond. Of course, there are some measures that we cannot
[00:10:45] talk about, but there are also those that we can. We exchange
[00:10:49] information, help with investigations, ensure
[00:10:52] accountability for these actions, as soon as the country
[00:10:56] in which it occurred is ready for it, and
[00:11:00] all this imposes certain costs on the enemy,
[00:11:04] making it more difficult for them to carry out such actions. Another thing that
[00:11:07] in my opinion is a really important message here is that these actions
[00:11:10] are reckless and dangerous. We have seen several
[00:11:14] instances of collateral incidents that could easily have resulted in
[00:11:18] casualties, had we not been lucky. If
[00:11:20] you look at the attack in Leipzig or some
[00:11:24] fires or explosions, you can easily imagine
[00:11:27] a situation in which casualties become quite probable, this
[00:11:31] increases the risk of unintended escalation, miscalculations, I urge
[00:11:34] Russia to think about this and stop such
[00:11:37] actions. This does not contribute to improving the situation we are in.
[00:11:52] So what could be the reason for... NATO's reaction,
[00:11:55] and you mentioned that there are no casualties yet, so it turns out that if there are casualties
[00:11:59] as a result of, say, arson or a drone unexpectedly falling
[00:12:03] somewhere and blowing something up, could this be
[00:12:06] a reason for applying Article Five
[00:12:09] of NATO? You know, as the Secretary General always
[00:12:12] states, we deliberately remain ambiguous about
[00:12:16] what exactly can trigger the application
[00:12:19] of Article Five. But I also noted that we have other articles,
[00:12:23] for example, Article Four, on the basis of which consultations can be initiated
[00:12:27] between alliance members, and as long as these
[00:12:30] consultations continue, we are fine. And I
[00:12:33] will return to the times of the Cold War. Perhaps not many people know this,
[00:12:36] but throughout the history of the Cold War, significant activity of this
[00:12:40] kind was observed in Europe. The Red Brigades
[00:12:43] carried out bombings throughout Western Europe during several periods of the Cold
[00:12:47] War. Article Four was not applied even
[00:12:50] once. So the allies conducted consultations
[00:12:54] and resolved this issue without any official
[00:12:58] mechanisms.
[00:13:01] If we talk about European or regional agreements, we also
[00:13:04] see that the European Union may play a greater role in
[00:13:08] the issue of European defense architecture, what division
[00:13:11] of responsibilities between NATO and the EU do you foresee, especially given
[00:13:15] the need to avoid potential duplication of efforts in
[00:13:18] European
[00:13:19] defense.
[00:13:23] That's a really great question and it's a topic that
[00:13:26] I'm very passionate about. I've spent a lot of time in this position interacting with
[00:13:30] the European Union, trying to ensure that our efforts do not
[00:13:34] conflict with each other and are synchronized. I think that
[00:13:37] the Secretary General would say that he has not seen a period
[00:13:41] when cooperation between NATO and the EU was as
[00:13:44] good as it is now. And I think that's correct. So,
[00:13:48] a few comments on your specific question. First, I think that NATO
[00:13:51] is the primary security architecture for the Euro-
[00:13:55] Atlantic area, and we need to ensure that nothing we do
[00:13:58] undermines this, that we don't try
[00:14:02] to create a duplicate command structure, that we don't
[00:14:05] try to invest in duplicate capabilities, because that
[00:14:09] will lead to wasted resources and simply make our attention
[00:14:12] less focused, more
[00:14:14] scattered.
[00:14:17] On the other hand, the EU can do a lot. We are actively cooperating with
[00:14:21] the European Union in the field of military mobility,
[00:14:24] considering how to move forces
[00:14:27] and assets within the alliance with minimal obstacles, partly this
[00:14:31] concerns how we pass customs checkpoints.
[00:14:35] Partly it concerns how we ensure
[00:14:37] the availability of the necessary infrastructure. So
[00:14:40] EU investments, as well as investments in infrastructure,
[00:14:44] supported by the EU, definitely help
[00:14:47] the alliance. Frankly, the EU's approach to regulating these
[00:14:50] investments can become a catalyst for defense
[00:14:54] industrial production and growth. industry
[00:14:57] in general, and also societal resilience. The EU has a crucial role to play in this area,
[00:15:01] so I look at it this way: NATO is purely a military force and
[00:15:04] expertise. And the EU is a significant potential that
[00:15:07] contributes to strengthening the alliance.
[00:15:11] Staying within this topic, but also slightly expanding the boundaries
[00:15:15] of our discussion, we certainly know that the war in Ukraine remains
[00:15:19] one of the biggest threats to the security and defense of Europe, particularly
[00:15:22] on NATO's eastern flank. Russia's hybrid attacks, of course, are
[00:15:26] incomparable to the total destruction and disruption of normal life
[00:15:30] for people and cities in Ukraine. What specific measures can
[00:15:33] NATO take at this moment to continue supporting Ukraine in this
[00:15:37] fight?
[00:15:37] Ukraine indeed receives significant support from
[00:15:42] the alliance, and we need to redouble these efforts. Our NATO mission to provide
[00:15:45] security assistance and training for Ukraine.
[00:15:49] A significant part of what we do is based
[00:15:53] here in Poland and is extremely important for ensuring the flow of
[00:15:56] critically needed military supplies to Ukraine, as well as for
[00:16:00] conducting important training courses that we organize to prepare
[00:16:04] Ukrainian soldiers and leaders for more effective combat.
[00:16:07] All of this is truly important, regarding what else countries can do,
[00:16:11] I, as always, call for contributions to the Porol program. This is a list of
[00:16:15] Ukraine's priority needs. President Trump's and the Secretary General's
[00:16:19] initiative is designed to ensure that European countries finance
[00:16:23] state-of-the-art American equipment needed by Ukrainians for self-defense. And
[00:16:27] that these assets continue to flow to Ukraine. So I
[00:16:30] believe that donations to Porol remain important. And
[00:16:34] also, as much as possible, countries need to continue to provide
[00:16:38] critically important assets from their own stocks, and as
[00:16:41] is known, it's no secret, President Zelensky has already noted that
[00:16:45] air defense is one of the critically important needs for
[00:16:49] Ukrainians, given the numerous attacks aimed at
[00:16:52] populated areas and critical infrastructure. In these
[00:16:56] areas, I would like the alliance
[00:16:59] to focus. But, as for the war in Ukraine, we
[00:17:02] also understand that the country is considering the possibility of developing
[00:17:05] its own air defense system, while it seems that the
[00:17:09] experience on the battlefield is extremely innovative. Europeans
[00:17:12] should strive to use it and gain access to
[00:17:16] it. So, how do you think this cooperation between Ukraine and NATO will develop
[00:17:20] in the coming years, so that it becomes as fruitful as possible, both
[00:17:23] for Europeans and for NATO as a whole?
[00:17:27] That's a really good question, and one of our main tasks is to ensure
[00:17:31] that we draw the right lessons from Ukraine's experience, generalize them,
[00:17:34] and communicate them to alliance members. So we... My colleague, the Supreme
[00:17:38] Commander of the Joint Armed Forces for Transformation, based
[00:17:41] in Norfolk, Virginia, USA, leads our experience
[00:17:45] generalization program, which works with Ukrainians to extract these
[00:17:49] lessons. The press has reported on several exercises
[00:17:52] where Ukrainians come and share with us what they have learned on the battlefield, and
[00:17:56] sometimes act as the enemy we have to fight, which
[00:18:00] makes us stronger and better. So we are doing a lot of similar
[00:18:03] things to learn. At the same time, as an alliance, we must remember that we have...
[00:18:18] This provides many more opportunities to counter different types
[00:18:21] of threats, and therefore, as you will hear in my theory of victory tomorrow,
[00:18:25] the way we will wage this fight will not be like what you see
[00:18:28] now in the war between Russia and Ukraine, it will be a completely
[00:18:31] different kind of battle, but we still need to learn the relevant
[00:18:35] lessons from Ukraine's experience and...
[00:18:38] that we are ready for the new conditions that we
[00:18:40] observe.
[00:18:45] Is Ukraine an asset or a liability for NATO? I would say that I consider Ukraine extremely
[00:18:48] important for our Atlantic security, and in my opinion, Ukrainians
[00:18:52] are now proving to us that they are becoming security guarantors,
[00:18:55] not just recipients of aid. I believe that they are contributing
[00:18:59] to our security and will continue to do so in the coming
[00:19:02] years.
[00:19:04] You mentioned air superiority as one of the important aspects, potentially up
[00:19:08] to
[00:19:17] 2030, which means that at best
[00:19:20] we could only have 8 years of real combat
[00:19:24] experience, which, as I imagine, NATO countries that
[00:19:27] are not currently in a state of active war do not have,
[00:19:31] so how can we, in essence, ensure that NATO countries
[00:19:34] can keep pace with the pace of innovation that
[00:19:38] Russia introduces every day, not
[00:19:39] every month?
[00:19:42] In fact, it all comes down to realistic training conditions. Partly this can
[00:19:46] happen in the virtual world with the help of simulators and similar
[00:19:49] means, but nothing can fully replace real field
[00:19:53] exercises. Poland invests in significant training
[00:19:56] infrastructure, training grounds where we can move brigade and divisional level
[00:19:59] formations, bombing ranges for our
[00:20:03] aircraft, ranges near the coast that allow our ships to use
[00:20:07] their capabilities in realistic conditions,
[00:20:10] this is absolutely necessary to be armed.
[00:20:12] We have other facilities throughout the alliance that are being invested in,
[00:20:16] but this will be crucial for our readiness in
[00:20:20] the future.
[00:20:21] And what are the realistic prospects for
[00:20:26] Poland finally getting this permanent American base? What, in your
[00:20:30] opinion, are the timelines? Well,
[00:20:33] the question of timelines is probably easier to answer
[00:20:37] than the question of prospects. Timelines
[00:20:40] will depend on how long it takes to conclude
[00:20:43] the contract and build the necessary infrastructure.
[00:20:46] You see, if we're talking about a permanent US presence, then often
[00:20:50] this is accompanied by the arrival of family members, and therefore it means schools,
[00:20:53] hospitals, and other similar facilities. So a lot needs to be done
[00:20:57] for all of this to fully function. I would say it will
[00:21:00] take years, but that doesn't mean nothing will happen until
[00:21:04] then, right? These could be rotational units,
[00:21:07] etc. As for the prospects, they will be
[00:21:10] determined during this assessment. I know that there is
[00:21:13] an ongoing dialogue at the political level between the United States
[00:21:17] and Poland on this matter. I think it's a very
[00:21:21] constructive dialogue, but it's not for me to predict
[00:21:23] how it
[00:21:28] will develop. You heard Aleksinkevich, this is an exclusive
[00:21:31] interview for TVP World, and I remind you that Slava is
[00:21:35] an information partner of the 13th Warsaw Security Forum,
[00:21:38] it started today and tomorrow it will continue, I will say a few words
[00:21:42] about the foundation that organized the Warsaw Security
[00:21:46] Forum, this is the foundation...
[00:21:50] of Casimir Pułaski, he is an outstanding
[00:21:53] figure, actually, and an outstanding
[00:21:56] warrior, let's say, this foundation that
[00:21:59] organizes the forum,
[00:22:02] Kazimierz Pulaski, he fought for
[00:22:06] the freedom of Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, in particular, against
[00:22:09] the Russian army, he fought against Alexander Suvorov, he
[00:22:12] won the famous battle in
[00:22:15] Częstochowa, where he defended Jasna Góra Monastery,
[00:22:17] when Poland was...
[00:22:22] Prussia, the Russian Empire, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Casimir
[00:22:26] Pułaski, he did not remain to serve
[00:22:28] any of these empires. He went on to fight for
[00:22:32] freedom, this time he went to fight for freedom. Attention to the American
[00:22:36] people. For the freedom of the United States of America. He met
[00:22:40] Benjamin Franklin, who introduced him to George Washington, and
[00:22:43] Pułaski arrived in the United States of America, just as they were fighting a war
[00:22:47] against, against Britain for their freedom. This was the War of
[00:22:50] Independence, in the Battle of Brandywine he showed
[00:22:54] his, and his skill, his bravery, he
[00:22:58] allowed the main forces of the Americans, who were virtually surrounded and could have been
[00:23:01] destroyed, to retreat thanks to the cavalry, and after that Washington
[00:23:05] gave him the rank of Brigadier General, and he won several more
[00:23:08] important battles, he was called the father of American cavalry, in
[00:23:12] principle, Casimir Pulaski died at the age of
[00:23:15] 34 in Savannah, Georgia,
[00:23:18] he rushed to enemy positions and
[00:23:21] a grapeshot wound basically left him no chance, he was wounded
[00:23:25] and already, as they say, a few days later, after that, it actually happened on October
[00:23:29] 11, 1779,
[00:23:31] just yesterday it was the anniversary, Casimir Pulaski died,
[00:23:35] but he was an outstanding, truly outstanding figure, who fought for the freedom of Poland, and for
[00:23:39] the freedom of Americans in the United
[00:23:42] States of America, he died at the age of 34, and it is his foundation
[00:23:45] that organizes the Warsaw Security Forum, which is, as I think, very significant.
[00:23:49] Well, our news will not end, it will be more interesting further, stay with us.
[00:23:53] This girl's name is Sophia
[00:24:28] Holinska, she is now nine years old, and imagine,
[00:24:32] the last time her mother saw her daughter was when
[00:24:35] Sophia was three, well,
[00:24:38] but you're
[00:24:42] a grown
[00:24:42] girl,
[00:24:47] hey, not for that, but for that? not for that, but
[00:24:50] for that.
[00:25:00] The child and her mother lived in Odesa region in the city of Balta.
[00:25:04] According to the investigation, back in 2020,
[00:25:07] the girl was abducted by her grandmother, Lyudmyla
[00:25:10] Holinska. The woman arbitrarily changed the girl's
[00:25:14] place of residence and has been hiding her from
[00:25:17] her mother ever since. A terrible story happened to me
[00:25:20] in my life, in the life of my child, it
[00:25:24] happened that my former mother-in-law abducted
[00:25:28] and arbitrarily changed the place of residence of our common
[00:25:31] daughter with my ex-husband, Sofiia, in
[00:25:34] 2020. Currently, Sofiia is nine years old.
[00:25:38] was 3.5 years old. Sofiia's mother said that her
[00:25:42] mother-in-law, Lyudmyla Holynska, after abducting the
[00:25:45] child, constantly changed her place of residence and
[00:25:48] used made-up names and surnames. After
[00:25:52] the start of the full-scale invasion, she moved with
[00:25:55] Sofiia to Chernivtsi. As of today,
[00:25:58] it is known that in March 2025, Sofiia's
[00:26:02] trace was found in the city of Chernivtsi. Lyudmyla
[00:26:05] Holynska moved the child there in March 2022. At
[00:26:09] first, they lived in
[00:26:12] a semi-basement room without living
[00:26:15] conditions, but later moved to more quality
[00:26:19] housing. As of today, the child's trace is lost,
[00:26:23] as Lyudmyla found out that the
[00:26:26] law enforcement officers found her location. She literally packed her bags
[00:26:30] in a couple of
[00:26:32] hours, took the child, got rid of her
[00:26:35] mobile devices, and left in an unknown
[00:26:39] direction. As of
[00:26:41] today, the child's trace is lost again. According to witnesses, in
[00:26:45] Chernivtsi, the girl's grandmother tried not to attract
[00:26:49] attention. She told different stories about where
[00:26:52] she came from with the child, calling herself
[00:26:55] a migrant from Bucha, Zaporizhzhia or
[00:26:58] Dnipropetrovsk region. She convinced people that
[00:27:01] they... fled the war, but she did not
[00:27:04] give her own surname, and presented Sofiia under
[00:27:08] a different surname. To the question, where is Sofiia's
[00:27:12] mother? Lyudmyla explained that
[00:27:15] the child's mother had abandoned her long ago, and the grandmother
[00:27:18] was forced to take care of the child.
[00:27:22] Sometimes she said that the child's mother had died, but in
[00:27:25] most cases she tried not to answer that
[00:27:28] question. According to the mother, during all this time, Sofiia did not
[00:27:31] attend school or development clubs.
[00:27:35] The woman does not know where her daughter is now and in what conditions
[00:27:38] she lives. However, most of all, the mother wants
[00:27:42] Sofiia to know that she has not been forgotten and they continue
[00:27:45] to look for her. I am Sofiia Holynska's mother.
[00:27:48] I never abandoned my child, I never
[00:27:52] left her,
[00:27:55] and I will always look for her as long as I live, and
[00:27:59] I will look for my daughter.
[00:28:04] If you, if my daughter saw me, I
[00:28:08] want to tell you, I love you very much, I miss you very much, I am looking
[00:28:11] for you very much, I always remember
[00:28:14] you, my
[00:28:17] sunshine,
[00:28:19] and I also ask all people who see this video, please
[00:28:22] look at this video and
[00:28:25] photo. If anyone has
[00:28:29] any information, please let me know. I will be
[00:28:33] very grateful for any help.
[00:28:35] Thank you. If you recognize Sofiia Holynska or her
[00:28:39] grandmother Lyudmyla Holynska, have seen them, or have any
[00:28:43] information about where they might be now, please immediately
[00:28:47] contact the Magnolia Children's Search Service. You can
[00:28:50] call at any time of day at the short number
[00:28:53] 11630. Calls from any Ukrainian
[00:28:56] mobile operator are free.
[00:28:59] Important information can also be submitted via Telegram
[00:29:02] bot of the Children's Search Service. The QR code for the transition is visible on your
[00:29:06] screens.
[00:29:09] We have created a resource through which you can report
[00:29:12] any crime against a child. In
[00:29:16] any city, at any time.
[00:29:19] Just go to the website and report, and we
[00:29:22] will activate all possible mechanisms to punish
[00:29:25] the perpetrator.
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