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[00:00:00] so to speak, to advertise that, yes, soon we will have an alternative new
[00:00:03] solution, that notifications will be sent to the phone with all
[00:00:07] these problems of these notifications, that
[00:00:10] people often said, well, again, you have already cited this
[00:00:13] example, a woman read cover yourself, what will I cover myself with, a blanket,
[00:00:17] or something? A funny joke, but if the situation is serious, then this
[00:00:20] is quite a scary moment, because people do not understand how
[00:00:24] to interpret these warnings. Ilya, well, I
[00:00:27] think when we did different materials and you did different materials about
[00:00:31] testing sirens and testing these notifications,
[00:00:34] do Norwegians generally understand, can they read these instructions or do they generally
[00:00:38] understand the meaning of what is said, not because they are somehow narrow-minded, but simply how
[00:00:42] clear is it written? And
[00:00:44] there were no instructions yet, as far as I can see, there were test
[00:00:48] versions without instructions, where it said that this is a test, you don't need
[00:00:51] to do anything, what instructions there will be , we don't know yet, but there were drone
[00:00:55] threats,
[00:00:58] stay vigilant. There was an instruction to run,
[00:01:02] but don't you think that you need to write more, I don't know, more
[00:01:05] or write in more detail so that there are no these
[00:01:08] discrepancies, what is it, I'm honestly very
[00:01:11] worried, as early as next week we have another
[00:01:15] test, a test, October 14th, what
[00:01:19] will it be - it's like the fairy tale about the boy
[00:01:23] with the wolf, that we will get used to these sirens that are tested here, if I'm not
[00:01:26] mistaken, twice a year, and that...
[00:02:30] Okay, but I have a question of trust, that is, I want to trust the state,
[00:02:34] understand that competent people work there, I have several questions that I would
[00:02:38] like to get answers to right now, I think, and Norwegians and residents
[00:02:42] of the Northwest also want to know now, and not wait until we are
[00:02:45] told this, but for example,
[00:02:48] where to run, that is, can you run to
[00:02:52] the east, do you need to run to the west, go along
[00:02:55] the road to Ihve, if others, I'm afraid that you
[00:02:58] will be programmed, they will say it now, and then...
[00:03:08] There are no official answers here, you need to act according to the information that will be available, if, if we are talking about
[00:03:11] evacuation, where to run - this is not, so to speak, the correct
[00:03:15] question, you just need to follow the received
[00:03:18] information that you will receive on your phone, or this
[00:03:22] information will be physically given to you, this may concern, if we are talking about
[00:03:25] shelters and also the term refuge,
[00:03:29] in fact... my colleague did not have time to mention this, a shelter
[00:03:32] and a refuge are two different places, two
[00:03:36] different structures, and what was in the story about public
[00:03:40] shelters, this is different, that is, if we
[00:03:44] are talking specifically about some, let's say a drone
[00:03:46] attack, then you need to take cover, you need to take cover as
[00:03:50] quickly as possible, if we are talking about a co-op, we are talking about
[00:03:54] a basement, this is if we are not talking about evacuation, if we are talking about a large-scale
[00:03:58] evacuation, then you need to listen to the order...
[00:04:16] Regarding the large-scale evacuation, I also didn't know what would happen to these
[00:04:19] people, then they explained to me that if we are talking about
[00:04:23] a large-scale evacuation, then transport points are created
[00:04:26] where buses arrive, then together.
[00:04:30] Rescuers, together with local self-government, so to speak, they
[00:04:33] share information about where which people live in which house, for example,
[00:04:37] some sick people who are physically unable to walk, and this
[00:04:40] information, so to speak, we should know, then they will
[00:04:44] be helped, so to speak, to evacuate, so this is a very good
[00:04:47] question, yes, well, still, as
[00:04:51] long as these organizational
[00:04:54] measures are taken, this evacuation and distribution will
[00:04:57] be organized, people will really be.
[00:05:13] This is also quite possible, but they must also, so to speak,
[00:05:16] leave according to the information of where to go, not just to their
[00:05:20] dacha, but still people, it seems to me, that is, you are depriving
[00:05:23] people of the right to independently decide to leave, no, no, not at all, in
[00:05:27] this regard, no one imposes any prohibitions, if we are talking about evacuation, but
[00:05:30] so to speak, they will decide themselves, well, I repeat, I am not
[00:05:33] an expert in the field of evacuation, I cannot answer that specifically,
[00:05:37] yes, but here we have more about the questions that
[00:05:40] should be asked, for example, I
[00:07:12] will be in resistance and will behave like
[00:07:16] a hero, but when it happens, I am afraid that people
[00:07:19] will behave unpredictably, but this is a question of, as it were, personal attitude
[00:07:22] to, I don't know, the troops of their own security, my editor
[00:07:26] whispers in my ear that in an interview with Raymondka, which was not included
[00:07:30] in our story, he said that, in principle,
[00:07:33] the state does not look very positively
[00:07:36] on cooperation with the occupation forces, and as
[00:07:39] it were, a person can be even criminally liab...
[00:08:13] In their companies, so to speak, they should also have their own crisis
[00:08:17] plan written down and thought out, what they will do in case of different crisis
[00:08:21] situations, and so to speak, the local authorities
[00:08:25] supervise this, that is, the local self-government must supervise
[00:08:28] certain ministries, and there
[00:08:32] they can discuss it, write it down, how
[00:08:35] they will behave in one situation or another,
[00:08:38] well, but I'm still
[00:08:42] not leaving this question, is this
[00:08:46] answer enough, when the need arises, we will
[00:08:49] tell you what to do, how to do it, or
[00:08:52] still at the moment the state needs
[00:08:55] to tell more, talk, warn,
[00:08:58] send, I don't know, some plans, crisis things,
[00:09:02] or at the moment it seems to you that this is enough, it seems to me that this is already happening
[00:09:06] a little excessively and people, according to my feelings, people
[00:09:09] are starting to get a little annoyed with all this, because...
[00:10:12] Let's say, is the current knowledge about crisis preparedness not
[00:10:16] an obstacle to other possible crises? No,
[00:10:19] these are, so to speak, general knowledge, as we say, that
[00:10:23] this is preparation specifically for... crisis situations, situations are
[00:10:27] different, therefore, a supply of water, a supply of food, so
[00:10:29] to speak, we cannot physically force anyone,
[00:10:33] we recommend and talk about
[00:10:37] it, if we are talking about such general
[00:10:41] questions, what to do, then we try
[00:10:44] to answer these questions, but what you said, that we have so many such
[00:10:47] events, and you yourself gave an example that on October 14th we will have a check of
[00:10:51] the notification system, but we will actually have other events too.
[00:10:55] And for high school students, an essay contest is held where they write an essay
[00:10:59] on this, in kindergarten, children can be given a certain
[00:11:03] game to play in a padlet, and we will also
[00:11:06] have, that is, all this is being done to raise
[00:11:08] awareness, and also, as I said, any person, any
[00:11:12] company can write us a letter saying that I have a work
[00:11:15] collective, come to us and tell us,
[00:11:18] help us, what to do, but you will not only talk
[00:11:22] about floods and power outages, but also about this,
[00:11:26] it is a broad topic, that is, a crisis situation, that is, well, we just
[00:11:30] had a law change, we used to have a law on emergencies,
[00:11:33] and now we have a new law, it is specifically called
[00:11:37] the law on crisis situations and national defense, that is,
[00:11:41] now, so to speak, in one law they have included
[00:11:44] more or less all situations and according to this law we are already
[00:11:48] acting, it specifically states what civilian defense is, what
[00:11:52] a shelter is? And so on, and according to this law, we are already carrying it forward, so to speak, we have
[00:11:56] literally a few minutes
[00:12:00] until the vote results are announced. I would like to talk about
[00:12:02] responsibility, this informational responsibility, responsibility for
[00:12:06] anxiety.
[00:12:08] Do journalists have responsibility, because so much is written about Narva,
[00:12:12] we have articles, especially now this Institute for the Study of War has released
[00:12:16] this Narva scenario, where it is almost described minute by minute where what
[00:12:19] will be captured. Are we journalists
[00:12:22] doing the right thing, what?
[00:13:25] It is precisely people from different communities, we are talking about churches,
[00:13:28] pensioners, young people, and teachers, and so on, that is,
[00:13:32] the more such collaboration with you, the better for us
[00:13:36] and for all people, so that they are informed.
[00:13:39] They write to us, this chatter is just annoying, you just have to live and enjoy
[00:13:43] life, what will be will be, some have driven themselves crazy
[00:13:46] with this expectation, don't stir it up, enough, approximately
[00:13:50] that's what I said, that it starts to annoy people, but we already
[00:13:54] have our results.
[00:14:56] with some other people too, but if you have a family, loved ones, and so on, and so forth, then you look at them all and
[00:14:59] think, and you think, God, I'm going to lose all this if
[00:15:03] this threat turns out to be real, on the contrary, it's even more anxious, no, if
[00:15:07] you talk about it with the members of this family, then yes, but
[00:15:10] if after this conversation with the same family you engage in
[00:15:14] everyday pleasant activities, then yes, there will be
[00:15:18] balance in that. Edgar, how to be
[00:15:21] ready for the worst, but not live in constant expectation of war? Good question. There
[00:15:25] is also a good answer, there is a concept of a crisis plan, you can create your own
[00:15:29] family crisis plan, write down what not to do, for example, if there is
[00:15:32] no electricity, no gas, you will have to leave your
[00:15:35] place of residence, write down... think through your crisis plan, a similar
[00:15:39] questionnaire will soon appear in Russian on our website or on the website
[00:15:42] of Olavalmise, you just need to think it through then you will be
[00:15:46] informed, and if something happens, you will always have this plan at home, and if something happens, you
[00:15:50] will act according to this plan, but I imagine, with the
[00:15:53] availability of enough water, dry rations and
[00:15:56] other things in case of a civil crisis, the presence of, conditionally speaking,
[00:16:00] crisis suitcases in the corridor with your passports, documents
[00:16:04] and family album, I will constantly... stumble
[00:16:08] over it, I will constantly be anxious, is this really what we
[00:16:11] need, maybe at some point we had an advertisement that everyone should have a ready
[00:16:14] evacuation backpack, but in fact we moved away from this advertisement, if I'm not mistaken,
[00:16:18] quite a long time ago, you don't have to have an evacuation
[00:16:22] backpack assembled by everyone, we are now saying that you just need to know
[00:16:25] where your things are at home, if you are told that in 5 minutes
[00:16:29] you need to leave, then you know where your ID card, your
[00:16:33] medicines, your clothes are, so that you don't look for them, having a crisis, so to speak,
[00:16:37] backpack. It's always possible,
[00:16:40] but not necessary, and Ilya, a crisis
[00:16:43] backpack, is it possible or not necessary, yes, to have it at
[00:16:46] all, in principle, the presence of a crisis plan, it definitely
[00:16:49] calms, and it can certainly
[00:16:52] calm, again, I already said that we don't know
[00:16:56] what the situation will be, I'm afraid that we cannot foresee everything
[00:16:59] in theory, it's roughly like learning to drive
[00:17:02] a car just without practice in the theory
[00:17:06] class of a driving school. Until you go through it, you won't know what
[00:17:10] it's like, luckily we don't know when
[00:17:13] it will happen, if we knew, we would of course prepare, but any
[00:17:17] of our plans will be destroyed by the circumstances
[00:17:20] of reality. Well, I hope we have discussed
[00:17:24] the current mood of Norwegians and what needs to be done to
[00:17:28] be ready, but not to worry too much, that's
[00:17:31] all, we will finish our discussion, next week in this
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