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[00:00:06] We are putting a new newspaper in the world tour, solidarity with here are the headlines: the
[00:00:10] cold in Thailand, first after a deadly shooting that occurred in a school near
[00:00:13] Bangkok, several people were
[00:00:16] border controls killed, the shooter was 14 years old, he had clearly planned his
[00:00:19] attack according to the Prime Minister, the young man also shot his
[00:00:22] grandparents.
[00:00:25] In this newspaper too, this unprecedented decision in the United States, Meta
[00:00:28] condemned by justice. for not protecting children from
[00:00:32] online dangers, the giant will have to pay nearly a billion
[00:00:36] dollars, this sum covers the damage caused, the
[00:00:39] financing of a care program for young victims,
[00:00:42] Iness Legendre is our guest, lawyers and advocacy
[00:00:46] manager at e in France, hello to you and see you
[00:00:48] right away,
[00:00:51] and then the opposition and the power in Venezuela have started a dialogue,
[00:00:54] the hope of a political transition in a country
[00:00:58] bruised by the double earthquake of...
[00:01:00] last June 24, thousands of people have died, the
[00:01:03] survivors live in makeshift shelters, Alice Campegnon is
[00:01:07] waiting for us in Caracas,
[00:01:21] this question, first of all, how to explain that a 14-year-old boy can
[00:01:25] shoot his grandparents and then go to his school to, again, sow
[00:01:28] the... This is what happened in Thailand in the suburbs of
[00:01:32] Bangkok this Friday, the shooter had clearly planned his
[00:01:36] attack according to the Prime Minister. Axel Sim tells
[00:01:39] us more. Outside the school, tearful
[00:01:42] teachers embraced, the
[00:01:46] vulnerabilities and failures of staff and students of this school in the Bangkok suburbs experienced a nightmare in the middle of
[00:01:49] a school day. A 14-year-old adolescent opened fire, killing several
[00:01:54] that there is also this capture of and injuring about fifteen before committing suicide.
[00:01:57] Some students and teachers managed to escape. but in the classrooms,
[00:02:01] others tried to hide or
[00:02:03] flee,
[00:02:05] took refuge in the toilets, we thought it was over,
[00:02:09] then a teacher screamed run fast, the shooter went to another
[00:02:12] building and ran
[00:02:16] In the city of Bunia, capital of here,
[00:02:18] Ituri and epicentre of when I got there, it was total chaos, the students we
[00:02:21] took care of outside were injured in the back, chest and
[00:02:24] arm, we gave them first aid, the shooter
[00:02:28] was still at large at that time.
[00:02:31] According to the police, the shooter is one
[00:02:34] and that's the end of this news report, thank you for of the college students, he fired more than twenty bullets with a pistol belonging
[00:02:37] to his grandfather and was found in possession of thirty additional
[00:02:41] rounds. The police specified that the shooter had shot his
[00:02:45] grandparents at their home before going to his college and opening
[00:02:49] fire. I am deeply saddened, not only for
[00:02:52] the victims, but also to see that such an incident can occur in our
[00:02:56] country. This is the reason why the government
[00:03:00] has not authorized the extension of the right to possess firearms, it is exactly for this
[00:03:04] reason.
[00:03:07] The political commitments of recent years to tighten gun laws have not prevented
[00:03:11] an increase in shootings.
[00:03:15] It is estimated that there are more than 10 million firearms in circulation in
[00:03:20] infiltrated all spheres of Thailand, or one for every 7 inhabitants. This is the second fatal shooting in a
[00:03:24] school in Thailand this year. In 2022, a
[00:03:27] former police officer also killed 36 people in... a nursery in
[00:03:30] the north of the country, the majority of whom were
[00:03:33] children.
[00:03:36] Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan want to form a common front
[00:03:41] multiplied within the against any act of aggression. The three states have in any case signed a
[00:03:43] defense pact to this effect and it is stated in a press release that the objective of
[00:03:47] this alliance is to promote peace, security and stability
[00:03:51] in a Middle Eastern region in full
[00:03:55] war between the United States and Iran with a resumption of the conflict in
[00:03:59] Yemen, a country neighboring Saudi
[00:04:01] Arabia, we remind you,
[00:04:05] Meta condemned for public disorder and ordered to pay nearly
[00:04:08] a billion dollars to repair
[00:04:11] to temperature checks. the damage caused to young users of Facebook,
[00:04:15] in a few hours, Abelardo de Instagram and WhatsApp notably, this decision was pronounced by a
[00:04:18] New Mexico judge, it's a first in the United States, the American giant
[00:04:21] must also create a compensation fund of
[00:04:24] 567 million dollars, this sum must allow
[00:04:28] to finance over 5 years programs for mental health and prevention
[00:04:32] for the youngest, we pause for a moment on this unprecedented event,
[00:04:36] as I said in the United States, we make you react Inness Legendre, hello
[00:04:40] to you, you are a lawyer and advocacy manager at I in France, thank you for taking
[00:04:43] a few moments to answer our questions. Inness Legendre,
[00:04:46] what does this court decision tell us, that Meta is clearly failing in
[00:04:50] the protection of minors and
[00:04:54] even creating addiction to these platforms,
[00:04:56] that's what it's
[00:04:59] about, that's what it's about... question and it's above all we observe a bit
[00:05:02] of a change in logic, that is to say that very often social networks have hidden behind
[00:05:06] their role as a host by explaining that they
[00:05:09] were there only to, well, host videos. that they were in no way
[00:05:13] responsible for the videos that were on their platform
[00:05:16] and in fact with this decision which, as you say, is quite unprecedented, we clearly observe that
[00:05:20] precisely they can be declared responsible precisely because they
[00:05:24] will with their algorithms promote
[00:05:27] videos that will unfortunately have an impact on the mental health
[00:05:31] of the youngest and it is in this sense that this decision is extremely
[00:05:34] important. how does it translate its effects on the mental
[00:05:38] health of the youngest? are you particularly familiar with this
[00:05:40] question? Yes, absolutely, it's really
[00:05:44] something that we deal with at 3018 which is the national number against
[00:05:48] harassment and digital violence against minors and typically
[00:05:51] if we take the impact on mental health it will be to be able to
[00:05:55] watch videos that talk about eating
[00:05:58] disorders that talk about how to commit suicide,
[00:06:02] how to fall into depression and in fact the more we watch videos that
[00:06:06] talk about these contents, the more the social network will offer
[00:06:09] them to us and finally on minds... still vulnerable not fully
[00:06:13] developed typically children, it will have a really
[00:06:17] considerable impact on them. has the American giant
[00:06:20] pulled out the argument of also referring to
[00:06:24] parental responsibility to try to
[00:06:27] somehow share the responsibility for these effects?
[00:06:29] So that's something we hear a lot,
[00:06:32] except that the responsibility cannot rest with the
[00:06:35] parents for the simple reason that they don't all have the same
[00:06:39] resources, the same time or even the same skills. And we must not
[00:06:43] forget that it is these platforms, it is these giants that actually create
[00:06:46] these services that are well founded on the
[00:06:50] capture of attention and therefore they are the ones who must be
[00:06:53] held responsible for these services since they are the ones who exploit the
[00:06:58] children's attention but not only that, also adults as we can see
[00:07:01] with our relationship to social networks, it's true, you do well to point out
[00:07:07] attention that concerns us too. Would you say, Innesse
[00:07:10] Legendre, relying also
[00:07:12] on your experience and the cases you deal with, that we are facing a real
[00:07:16] public health issue
[00:07:18] worldwide?
[00:07:21] Of course, and we've been warning about it for years, because we've been dealing with
[00:07:25] these risks for years, which are not only linked, as
[00:07:28] we said, to the content that is put, that is valued or disseminated on social
[00:07:32] networks, but also to how young people will be able to get in
[00:07:36] contact with other people who can be ill-intentioned, and we know very well
[00:07:39] that whether it's situations of cyber harassment, extortion, or grooming, these are
[00:07:43] things that have considerable impacts on mental health but also on the
[00:07:47] physical health of young people, and it is essential that this be truly taken
[00:07:50] into account and, above all, that the responsibility of platforms be finally acknowledged.
[00:07:54] How do you react when you know that even if you talk about the responsibility
[00:07:58] of platforms that must be acknowledged, Meta has already made it known that the American
[00:08:01] giant has announced that it will appeal, we know that the group is facing
[00:08:05] several lawsuits, it has the means today to ensure its
[00:08:09] defense and to pay these astronomical sums, in this case. Talking about
[00:08:13] a billion, beyond these financial sanctions and these lawsuits
[00:08:16] again that it has the ability to bear,
[00:08:19] why doesn't the method change? How do you
[00:08:21] explain that?
[00:08:24] Well, because it's very complicated to change things that have become ingrained
[00:08:28] very, very quickly. We can see that more than seven out of ten children,
[00:08:31] at least in France, who have already subscribed to at least one social network
[00:08:35] it's extremely difficult also to change norms and that's precisely why
[00:08:39] as much in the United States but also across the Atlantic here. In France
[00:08:43] or in Europe, we are also trying to change things, so of course,
[00:08:46] regulation always takes time, that's also why we need to
[00:08:50] accompany it with digital education, risk prevention
[00:08:53] precisely so that the restriction can accompany prevention
[00:08:57] and that we can finally reverse this norm and
[00:09:00] reverse, as I said earlier, our relationship to social networks and understand
[00:09:04] that there are risks and that there are things that are completely harmful on
[00:09:07] digital majority, the French case, we will stop there and set a clear
[00:09:11] benchmark at 15 years old for children
[00:09:15] and for families, is this already
[00:09:19] do you welcome this advance?
[00:09:22] Is it enough? We often talk about the possibility of circumventing
[00:09:25] these rules?
[00:09:27] So digital majority, as you said, it sets a clear benchmark for children
[00:09:31] as well as for families, for parents, it also gives them a strong
[00:09:35] argument to, well, make their children understand that social networks carry
[00:09:39] risks and precisely France sought to be a pioneer within
[00:09:42] the European Union and its initiative specifically contributed to accelerating
[00:09:46] discussions in Brussels on digital majority and also it's an important
[00:09:49] signal addressed to platforms and that's what's very important is that access for the youngest to
[00:09:53] social networks can no longer rely on simple declarative rules which
[00:09:57] furthermore were largely circumvented for years because we must not forget
[00:10:01] that social networks themselves had a ban on
[00:10:05] minors under 13 years old on social networks so
[00:10:08] it's how how
[00:10:11] how? typically, let's take a concrete case, a 12 or 13 year old child, well,
[00:10:15] wants to create an account on Instagram for
[00:10:18] example, concretely, what could prevent them
[00:10:21] today?
[00:10:23] Uh, there are several devices. Several solutions that will be put in place, we will
[00:10:27] refer this to both France and the European Commission on age
[00:10:30] verification and the tools that will be put in place,
[00:10:34] all we know at the moment is that the ban will happen in two stages, firstly from
[00:10:38] September 1st, those under 15 will no longer be able to create
[00:10:42] an account and then the accounts of 15 year olds will be verified
[00:10:46] from January 1st uh
[00:10:48] that's what you were saying earlier, it's true that we can always
[00:10:52] circumvent, we can always bypass
[00:10:55] this ban, we know very well that young people will be able
[00:10:58] to try to circumvent it by various means, but
[00:11:01] what we must also understand is that we must be
[00:11:04] interested in why young people will also circumvent it, social
[00:11:08] networks bring risks but also bring spaces for
[00:11:11] socialization, very strong needs for young people to interact with each other, to
[00:11:15] create, to learn, and so, well, it's very, very important also to
[00:11:18] be able to offer alternatives to these social
[00:11:22] networks or rather that social networks take their
[00:11:25] responsibility again and offer digital environments that are truly
[00:11:28] adapted to the development of minors, that's it, you say something very interesting, which is that we must
[00:11:32] not demonize social networks, especially since as
[00:11:36] a parent it is necessarily worrying, what you mean by
[00:11:39] that is that perhaps we should also accompany them, also explain the
[00:11:42] danger, the risk to which the youngest can be exposed, but to ban it
[00:11:46] completely would be counterproductive?
[00:11:50] Let's say that in any case, digital majority what is very important, is that
[00:11:54] there are risks. on social networks, social network models are not
[00:11:58] designed for children, for minors and that is precisely why
[00:12:02] we have taken this regulation,
[00:12:05] now it is up to the platforms if they wish to improve their
[00:12:09] model to do so since of course the ban must be accompanied by a
[00:12:13] real effort of prevention and digital education since we know very well that delaying
[00:12:16] exposure to social networks is one thing but giving young people the means
[00:12:20] to understand the digital environments in which they evolve is another and it is
[00:12:24] also important. since they must learn to understand what they
[00:12:27] see, why they see it, but also to identify situations of
[00:12:30] manipulation or violence and especially to know who to turn to when they
[00:12:34] encounter an online problem. Thank you very much Inness Legendre, thank
[00:12:38] you for taking the time to answer our questions on France 24, I remind you that you are a lawyer and advocacy
[00:12:41] manager at I Enfance. The news now takes us to
[00:12:45] Colombia, all eyes will be on Cali in a few hours,
[00:12:49] a large security system has been deployed, the
[00:12:52] far-right president Abelardo de la Espriella must take
[00:12:56] an oath, elected last June, the
[00:12:59] politician says he is determined to fight the guerrillas
[00:13:03] and drug trafficking, this is a discourse that runs
[00:13:06] counter to what his predecessor Romain Michelot
[00:13:09] proposed.
[00:13:13] Patrols everywhere in Cali, Colombia's third
[00:13:16] city, it is here under high security that the
[00:13:19] inauguration of the newly elected far-right president,
[00:13:23] Abelardo de la Esprieya, takes place. More than 11,000 men and women
[00:13:27] have been deployed here with drones, anti-drone systems,
[00:13:30] armored vehicles and everything necessary for this
[00:13:34] democratic event to take place peacefully.
[00:13:37] Normally, this inauguration of the Colombian president takes place in the
[00:13:41] capital, Bogotá, but not with Abelardo de la
[00:13:44] Esprieya. The millionaire lawyer, a political novice,
[00:13:48] chose Cali where attacks claimed by guerrillas recently took
[00:13:51] place, a symbol because the new president promises a strong
[00:13:55] hand to fight these armed groups and drug trafficking,
[00:13:59] bombings against the camps of these organizations or even the
[00:14:02] creation of mega prisons as in El Salvador. A program
[00:14:06] hammered home since his election last June and contrary to his
[00:14:09] left-wing predecessor Gustavo Petro who had tried to negotiate the
[00:14:13] disarmament of these armed groups. There will be no
[00:14:16] false peace process, the only peace possible is imposed by arms,
[00:14:20] any bandit who does not submit will be eliminated, I warned
[00:14:23] you, for this... "Colombia can count on the support of the
[00:14:27] United States and Israel, whose representatives will be present at the
[00:14:30] inauguration ceremony, but these very muscular statements also
[00:14:34] worry a part of the population.
[00:14:38] According to his announcements, we clearly see that he will be a rather
[00:14:42] authoritarian leader.
[00:14:45] I just hope there won't be violence, new violence within the
[00:14:48] population. A challenge, because according to the
[00:14:52] Foundation Idea for Peace, in 2025,... "Colombia had
[00:14:56] nearly 25,000 armed people within illegal
[00:14:59] organizations.
[00:15:02] Is reconciliation possible in Venezuela? In any
[00:15:05] case, a dialogue has begun between the government and the opposition,
[00:15:09] without the leader of this camp, she is still in exile. And the two parties met
[00:15:13] around the same table, a meeting at the end of which many
[00:15:16] hope to see a political transition and a calendar for future
[00:15:20] elections. Venezuela bruised by the double
[00:15:23] earthquake of last June 24 in the La Guaira region, the official
[00:15:27] death toll stands at over 6,000, we will come back to this
[00:15:31] figure, to the number of missing
[00:15:33] in a moment, but first we will check in with you, Alice Camp.
[00:15:37] Hello to you live from Caracas, Alice, let's stop for a moment with you on the
[00:15:41] humanitarian situation in Venezuela, it should concern 25,000 people, at least
[00:15:45] are homeless, survivors who live in makeshift
[00:15:48] tents or
[00:15:49] shelters,
[00:15:52] Yes, absolutely, there are about a hundred
[00:15:56] shelters throughout the territory, but above all in
[00:15:59] La Guaira, the most affected area, these shelters
[00:16:03] are set up in schools, in gyms, in stadiums,
[00:16:06] sometimes in... uh vacant lots in more or less
[00:16:10] precarious conditions, as you said, people live uh in
[00:16:14] tents and the few services that can be
[00:16:17] found there are provided by NGOs, I am
[00:16:20] talking about toilets, showers, of course
[00:16:23] uh medical services and also psychological
[00:16:27] care, because the needs in mental health are very great
[00:16:30] today, imagine you no longer have a home and you have to
[00:16:34] mourn a loved one, these are
[00:16:37] extremely difficult conditions and then the
[00:16:41] future prospects for the victims are quite
[00:16:45] limited, the government has promised
[00:16:49] about 4,000 homes by
[00:16:51] the end of the year, these are uh figures that leave
[00:16:55] experts quite perplexed, we don't know how the government
[00:16:59] will build all these homes in such a short
[00:17:02] time and then uh well during this... finally
[00:17:06] well it's whole families who live in the rainy
[00:17:10] season in tents provided by individuals, there are
[00:17:14] children, there are pregnant women, there are elderly people who
[00:17:17] have nothing else to do today but
[00:17:21] to wait and then figures they are probably waiting for and
[00:17:24] which are not coming Alice well we know that the official figures around
[00:17:27] the number of victims stand at more than 6,000 deaths but no
[00:17:31] indication however on the number of disappeared.
[00:17:35] Yes, that's right,
[00:17:38] it's the figure that no one gives, that no one
[00:17:42] wants to give, neither the organizations nor
[00:17:45] the government, so yes, more than 6,000 dead, but we know that
[00:17:48] there are thousands more, all those
[00:17:52] people who are still under the rubble, all those
[00:17:55] corpses that have not been extracted, you
[00:17:59] should know that the searches continue, more than
[00:18:02] 40 days after the earthquake, that you have to imagine towers
[00:18:06] of 15-20 stories full of inhabitants, so
[00:18:10] it's a colossal job to dig
[00:18:13] tunnels to go uh to look for
[00:18:16] the corpses trapped under these tons of concrete. Currently, some
[00:18:19] buildings are being cleared
[00:18:23] even though not all the bodies
[00:18:27] have been extracted, this is a problem for the families who
[00:18:31] would like to give them a burial,
[00:18:34] but these are uh safety
[00:18:38] reasons that require this
[00:18:40] type of clearing. In any case, what everyone fears
[00:18:44] is that these figures of disappeared will never be given by the
[00:18:48] government which, before the disaster, was already quite
[00:18:51] secretive, never gave figures and well today we fear that
[00:18:55] this will continue, the UN at the very beginning
[00:18:59] just after the earthquake had spoken of
[00:19:02] 50,000 disappeared, today
[00:19:05] the organization is backing down. But off
[00:19:08] the record, they give the figure
[00:19:11] of 10,000 disappeared. Thank you
[00:19:14] very much Alice Campegneel live from Caracas for France
[00:19:17] 24. We now come to this more than worrying
[00:19:21] figure, the number of positive cases of the
[00:19:24] Ebola virus is increasing further in the Democratic Republic of Congo,
[00:19:27] at least 4,000 people are currently contaminated according to the country's Public Health Institute
[00:19:31] and the disease is particularly prevalent in the eastern
[00:19:34] provinces. The decline in international aid has further
[00:19:38] weakened the care of the most deprived. Axel Simon tells
[00:19:41] us more:
[00:19:42] One by one, passengers are subjected
[00:19:49] Health authorities in the Democratic Republic of Congo fear that
[00:19:52] someone who has contracted the virus may be on board this
[00:19:56] riverboat bound for Kinshasa. The vessel
[00:19:59] was intercepted in Malouku, about sixty kilometers upstream
[00:20:02] from the river.
[00:20:05] Denmark. Italy had even asked. for Spain to leave
[00:20:08] the Schengen area, it was last Friday, the day after the first
[00:20:12] day of the crisis that the Italian Prime Minister announced the re-establishment
[00:20:16] of border controls for people coming from
[00:20:20] Spain, an exceptional measure to preserve
[00:20:24] national security, according
[00:20:26] to her, measures adopted without notice,
[00:20:30] unilaterally and on the basis of fallacious arguments according to the
[00:20:33] Spanish government in its communiqué
[00:20:36] today, Tuesday we thought we saw an improvement in this
[00:20:40] diplomatic crisis between Italy and Spain
[00:20:43] because following the meeting of the interior ministers to
[00:20:47] take stock of this crisis in Ceuta, the Italian interior minister
[00:20:50] had expressed Italy's sincere
[00:20:54] Spain, but this was not enough to ease tensions and we
[00:20:57] now see with what we have just learned, Italy
[00:21:00] is backtracking since it rejects
[00:21:04] Spain's ultimatum, will be maintained until
[00:21:07] August 15th. Word from Petit
[00:21:10] Jouvet live from Madrid for France 24.
[00:21:13] We now come to this more than worrying
[00:21:17] figure, the number of positive cases. of the Ebola
[00:21:20] virus is increasing further in the Democratic Republic of Congo,
[00:21:24] at least 4,000 people are currently contaminated according to the country's Public Health Institute
[00:21:28] and the disease is particularly prevalent in the eastern
[00:21:31] provinces. The decline in international aid has further
[00:21:35] weakened the care of the most deprived. Axel Simon tells
[00:21:39] us more: one by one, passengers are subjected
[00:21:42] to a temperature test. The health authorities of the Democratic
[00:21:46] Republic of Congo fear that a person who has contracted the virus.
[00:21:50] is on board this river vessel bound for
[00:21:53] Kinshasa. The ship was intercepted in Malouku, about
[00:21:56] sixty kilometers upstream from the capital to prevent the
[00:22:00] spread of the virus to new areas. We were expecting these
[00:22:03] boats, we prepared ourselves so that we could
[00:22:07] totally screen the boats, all the passengers who
[00:22:10] are on
[00:22:13] board and to make sure that
[00:22:16] there is no case
[00:22:20] that can enter Kinshasa. The
[00:22:23] 17th Ebola epidemic continues to rage in the DRC, the
[00:22:27] number of confirmed cases of this new variant has exceeded
[00:22:30] 4000 and more than 1800 people have died.
[00:22:33] Mimai, the first case was detected in the province of Ituri in the
[00:22:37] northeast of the country, since then contaminations have multiplied
[00:22:41] in four other provinces. The director of the WHO went to
[00:22:45] the DRC on Wednesday, calling for an intensification of the
[00:22:48] medical response.
[00:22:51] I am deeply concerned by the situation on the
[00:22:53] ground.
[00:22:56] The epidemic is ahead of us, it is progressing
[00:22:59] rapidly, so we must accelerate the pace to catch up and
[00:23:02] stop it.
[00:23:08] the epidemic, the largest Ebola detection and treatment center
[00:23:11] has just emerged. While several laboratories are actively researching a
[00:23:15] vaccine, there is currently no approved treatment against this
[00:23:19] variant. called
[00:23:20] Boundybugio
[00:23:24] watching.
[00:23:28] suivi.
[00:23:33] In 1946, Moldova was ravaged by
[00:23:36] famine. In the public space, people did not talk about the
[00:23:39] famine, the word was absolutely
[00:23:41] forbidden.
[00:24:21] 80 years later, a return ticket to the great famine of Moldova.
[00:30:09] 24, welcome to Around the World, change of method and discourse
[00:30:12] in Colombia, far-right president elected last June will be sworn in
[00:30:18] la Espriella says he is determined to fight guerrillas and drug
[00:30:21] trafficking with bombings if necessary. Maxime
[00:30:25] Pluvine is our special correspondent in Akali, we will find him in a few
[00:30:28] moments.
[00:30:31] The cold has arrived. after a fatal shooting at a school near
[00:30:35] Bangkok, several people were killed, the shooter was 14 years old, he
[00:30:39] had clearly planned his attack according to the prime minister, the young man
[00:30:43] had shot his grandparents
[00:30:45] before attacking his school,
[00:30:49] and then in this newspaper we will tell you about these players of the Afghan
[00:30:52] football team, they are meeting for the first time in
[00:30:55] New Zealand to train and play friendly matches, a new
[00:30:59] start for...