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[00:00:00] the Paris of arts in Geneva to discover on France
[00:00:13] 14 in France, the Pope is having many meetings this
[00:00:16] morning, he spoke with Catholics after visiting a center
[00:00:20] for the reception and integration of exiled people, he called
[00:00:23] for living together in dignity and
[00:00:26] peace. meanwhile, the faithful are starting to
[00:00:31] 2026, energy prices rising slowly flow towards the Place de la Concorde and the Champs-Élysées, the
[00:00:33] Pope will celebrate a mass in XXL format from 3pm, he
[00:00:37] will descend the Champs-Élysées before that, we find Florence Gaillard
[00:00:41] on site
[00:01:01] accompany you throughout the
[00:01:11] The Pope continues his time of speeches and
[00:01:14] exist, it's too brutal, but meditation with various actors of civil and religious society. He went early in the morning to the Bakita
[00:01:18] house located in the north of Paris where he
[00:01:21] us deeply, it's the question of spoke with exiled people cared for by the
[00:01:24] diocese in this reception center. This visit was meticulously planned, but it
[00:01:28] allowed him to emphasize the...
[00:01:37] to lower France's we risk having
[00:01:55] quickly on the issue of
[00:02:00] love as an alternative to the
[00:02:04] am going to offer you a tour of culture that disintegrates communities and
[00:02:07] makes cities sick with loneliness.
[00:02:11] Another highlight at the moment at the Catholic Institute is a meeting with catechumens.
[00:02:14] The Pope also visited the Saint Joseph des Carmes
[00:02:18] church. At Place de la Concorde, access opened
[00:02:21] at 9am for a mass scheduled at 3pm. The
[00:02:25] Pope will descend the Champs-Élysées at 2:15pm. The organizers expect
[00:02:29] a very large influx. A large cross, you see it, 4
[00:02:33] meters high, is suspended above the altar in this
[00:02:36] place where Louis XVI
[00:02:40] mayor. In the rest of and Marie Antoinette were guillotined, as well as thousands of people during the
[00:02:42] Revolution. This shows the symbolism of this place for
[00:02:46] this mass which
[00:02:49] project under tension. On the sidelines will allow for contemplation and
[00:02:50] accelerate on the issue of prayer this afternoon. We will then find Florence Gaillard
[00:02:53] in Place de la Concorde. Florence, hello. Are the faithful
[00:02:56] starting to arrive yet?
[00:03:02] So the Parisians are arriving, the Parisians and tourists, the
[00:03:05] faithful are arriving slowly but surely. The accesses, as you
[00:03:09] said, were opened from 9am, but
[00:03:12] for now, it's more the choristers you hear
[00:03:15] behind me who are practicing, it's more the security that is in
[00:03:19] place, knowing that this Place de la Concorde has been blocked since
[00:03:23] yesterday evening, it will be blocked until this evening
[00:03:25] at 8pm. The entire axis from the Place de la Concorde to the Avenue de la Grande
[00:03:29] Armée is obviously blocked,
[00:03:32] secured, and so, above all, in this entire
[00:03:35] assembly, I met an
[00:03:38] total cynicism by army of volunteers who are making sure that everything goes very well, and I
[00:03:41] met Margot, 23, who is one of the volunteers, she is next to me
[00:03:45] and has agreed to answer our questions. Margot, first
[00:03:48] question, why are you here? What are you doing here? I think you went to bed
[00:03:51] late and didn't sleep much? Yes, so I'm
[00:03:55] volunteering today as a team member at the Concorde.
[00:03:57] équipière à la concorde.
[00:04:00] For me, volunteering has always been part of my family values.
[00:04:04] It's something that has always been part of our daily life, so it's
[00:04:07] natural for me to be part of this event from the inside as
[00:04:11] a volunteer.
[00:04:13] Have you always been Catholic? Did it happen because of your Catholic
[00:04:17] culture, the Catholic tradition that you are here? Not at all,
[00:04:21] I don't come from a particularly Catholic family. I was baptized as a child,
[00:04:25] but nothing more. My parents wanted it to be a personal
[00:04:28] choice. So
[00:04:32] are back and two years ago I started going to beginning to flock to the Place de church with my mother and la Concorde and the Champs-Élysées, the
[00:04:34] I was a catechumen and I made my first communion and my
[00:04:37] confirmation at Pentecost last year.
[00:04:41] So you are one of these new not new converts, but at least
[00:04:48] of the far right pretty much the way to recover recommencing. You were at the Stade de France yesterday, I believe. You are here today,
[00:04:51] you slept 3 hours last night. What is your feeling, what is
[00:04:55] your impression of this papal trip?
[00:04:58] against attacks from It's magical, there are people everywhere, everyone is happy to be here, we feel the peace with
[00:05:02] us, these are moments of
[00:05:05] was a UN sharing, last night it was a simply magnificent
[00:05:07] evening, but
[00:05:09] of the UN, but also we are all happy to be here and it is a joy to be part of... this
[00:05:12] event, that's it for Margot, who is visibly
[00:05:16] happy to be here despite the lack of sleep. The fervor was
[00:05:20] very strong last night at the Stade de France, and it is likely to be very strong
[00:05:23] today at the Place de la Concorde. The choristers, the
[00:05:27] 1500 choristers from all over France, are practicing for the
[00:05:30] chants for later. The mass will not begin until 3pm, but
[00:05:34] the Pope will make a 30 to 45 minute walk
[00:05:38] before that on the Champs-Élysées, so we are now waiting for the sovereign
[00:06:25] news this Saturday,
[00:06:28] there is also talk of artificial intelligence, which was one of the major topics discussed during the
[00:06:32] state visit of the Chinese President to the United States. The two countries have
[00:06:35] decided to set up a communication channel to deal
[00:06:39] with incidents involving AI. The race to
[00:06:43] market between the two countries raises fears that the technology will escape its creators. The Pope also
[00:06:46] spoke yesterday during his speech at the Élysée,
[00:06:50] but neither one nor the other envisages
[00:06:52] regulation.
[00:06:55] The floods in Bangkok are stabilized, but the capital is facing an
[00:06:58] unprecedented situation. A state of disaster has been declared.
[00:07:02] Torrential rains have fallen in the last 24 hours, the canals
[00:07:05] are overflowing, the east of the city is the most affected. The
[00:07:09] authorities are working to pump out the water. The last flood
[00:07:12] of this magnitude in 2011 caused the death of 500 people and damaged
[00:07:16] millions of
[00:09:44] And here you find Europe, Caroline de Camaré receives Aurore Laluc, French MEP,
[00:09:48] President of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs in the European
[00:09:51] Parliament.
[00:09:55] France 24 and RFI present.
[00:10:11] Hello everyone, thank you for joining us for "Here Europe" on Radio France
[00:10:14] Internationale and France 24 this week when Europeans
[00:10:18] were not very audible at the General Assembly
[00:10:21] this week when they were concerned about
[00:10:25] their economic weakness. We are pleased to welcome Aurore
[00:10:29] Laluc. Hello. Hello. You are a European Socialist MEP, French
[00:10:33] co-president of Place Publique as well. You have just
[00:10:36] published "Trump contre l'Europe" by
[00:10:39] Les Petits Matins and you are also President of the Committee on
[00:10:43] Economic and Monetary Affairs of the European Parliament. Present at the
[00:10:46] last Eurogroup meeting, Aurore Laluc, a weak
[00:10:50] growth of 1.1% for the 27 member countries of the European Union
[00:10:53] for
[00:10:56] by more than 14% over a year according to
[00:11:00] Eurostat. How do you describe the state of our European
[00:11:04] economy? It's very paradoxical because in reality,
[00:11:07] despite everything we've been through in recent years, that is, we are still
[00:11:13] Trump administration via trade policy,
[00:11:19] energy, the war, the hybrid war, in short, we are
[00:11:23] really an economy that is under pressure, whether from Russia, China
[00:11:27] or the United States, we are still resisting quite well when you
[00:11:30] think about it, we are still resisting quite well, we remain resilient. Nevertheless,
[00:11:34] we are entering very difficult times in
[00:11:37] terms of economic growth, economic activity, in terms of purchasing
[00:11:41] power above all, that's what really worries
[00:11:46] inflation, of this imported inflation over which we have very little
[00:11:50] control because it is linked to external events and it's not the first time this has happened to
[00:11:53] us. So that's what's difficult for us to
[00:11:57] manage today, and then the fact that eventually
[00:12:01] food inflation despite everything, we resist even if we are a zone that is not yet fully
[00:12:04] built, even if we don't have all the tools, etc. That's what allows
[00:12:08] us to hold on, but nevertheless we are under
[00:12:11] pressure and above all Europeans are under pressure and that's it, the
[00:12:15] economy is at the service of people and in fact that's where we need to act
[00:12:20] electrification, act on the issue of prices and above all invest, invest,
[00:12:24] invest. so as not to be dependent on other economies. So as every week I
[00:12:29] European news, this is Europe in brief from
[00:12:33] Agnes Le
[00:12:33] Cozec.
[00:12:38] An electric shock for Fredrik Schmerz, the German far-right
[00:12:41] wins new regional elections, while with less than
[00:12:45] 5% of the votes, the CDU, the Chancellor's
[00:12:47] party, is for the first time absent from a regional
[00:12:50] parliament.
[00:12:56] Lambourg, it's a disaster,
[00:13:00] another electoral defeat in Berlin, where the radical left of Die Linke came ahead of the outgoing conservative
[00:13:05] Europe, many national elections are expected within a year,
[00:13:08] with an announced breakthrough of the far right which puts the European
[00:13:14] of the United Nations General Assembly, American,
[00:13:17] Danish and Greenlandic leaders signed a security agreement. This
[00:13:20] signature should put an end to the crisis that poisoned relations
[00:13:24] between the United States and Europe after Donald Trump's
[00:13:28] threats of annexation of Greenland. The text confirms a
[00:13:31] strengthening of the American military presence on the island, it
[00:13:35] also prohibits any actor outside the European Union from
[00:13:38] exercising control in strategic sectors. Donald Trump announced that he could
[00:13:41] ban American diesel exports, a prospect that
[00:13:45] worries European countries with increasingly limited options. Slovak Prime
[00:13:49] Minister Robert Fico, pro-Kremlin, is calling for an extraordinary
[00:13:52] European Council on the fuel crisis.
[00:13:56] I say it clearly, I consider that
[00:14:00] the European Union is showing
[00:14:03] leaving member states to manage the oil
[00:14:06] crisis alone. The Slovak leader, who shows his
[00:14:09] closeness to Vladimir
[00:14:13] Putin, challenges the ban by Brussels on Russian gas imports scheduled for late
[00:14:17] 2027.
[00:14:20] In the face of soaring oil prices, the 27 have had very
[00:14:24] different policies. Some have resulted in a lower
[00:14:27] price than in France, around us,
[00:14:30] with remedies such as capping, taxation of energy
[00:14:33] superprofits, direct aid. What do you
[00:14:37] recommend, and do we need
[00:14:40] the same remedy for everyone? In fact, we are not exposed in the same
[00:14:43] way, and there is not the same state of public finances, that's also the
[00:14:47] reality in the different countries. What is needed is taxation on
[00:14:50] superprofits, and at the European level there is
[00:14:53] clearly a coalition of countries emerging,
[00:14:56] Spain, Italy,
[00:14:59] Germany, Austria, so governments of very different
[00:15:03] political colors, very different, are demanding taxation of superprofits. For now,
[00:15:07] France opposes it, yet this would be
[00:15:12] money to be able to provide targeted
[00:15:16] aid.
[00:15:19] Frankly, what other reason would there be in
[00:15:22] reality? There is no other reason. So, two things: either at some point Total
[00:15:26] Énergies, the prices they charge at the pump, they make
[00:15:30] sure everyone pays the same price throughout the territory, I don't
[00:15:33] think that's their strategy in reality. If they don't do that, then tax
[00:15:37] profits. That's enough, we can't put the French people and
[00:15:41] public finances at risk like that. You mentioned France with a
[00:15:44] very difficult budget to adopt, rising debt and
[00:15:48] the highest deficit in the eurozone at
[00:15:52] 5.4% of GDP. Did you
[00:15:55] sense the Eurogroup, since I said you were
[00:15:59] there, was very worried about the French situation? No, the
[00:16:02] finance ministers and European institutions
[00:16:06] are generally concerned about the global
[00:16:10] state of public finances, but also private
[00:16:13] debt, what is happening in the United States, the AI bubble, etc., and the fact that Americans
[00:16:17] no longer control their debt as before, and we are not immune to a financial
[00:16:20] accident, that's clear, but we don't know where it will come from and we are not immune and it's a
[00:16:24] probability, meaning it can happen as it may not happen, in short, it's a topic that deserves
[00:16:28] nuance, but in the political debate today, nuance is not the most
[00:16:31] common thing in reality, so there you have it, what is
[00:16:34] the state of the what is the global state now at the European
[00:16:37] level, what we are asking of
[00:16:41] France is a trajectory of
[00:16:43] reducing 100, 120 billion over 5 years, which means
[00:16:47] it doesn't need to make an effort of 54 billion, that doesn't exist, it won't
[00:16:52] around 18, 20 billion, and then when I look at the European
[00:16:56] level, I see that there is much less concern, meaning everyone says yes, France must make an effort,
[00:17:00] but no one thinks that France right now will enter a financial
[00:17:03] crisis, but there is also concern about...
[00:17:07] the discourse of the National Rally regarding Europe, which, if
[00:17:11] it comes to power, wants
[00:17:14] contribution to the European Union, while the current Prime Minister has also asked
[00:17:18] to deduct 800 million by taking them from the Google
[00:17:22] fine. This supports, before the 2027
[00:17:25] elections, the idea that France pays too much, and this is not the
[00:17:28] case already, because I'm sorry, but without the European
[00:17:32] Union, France is nothing, it is nothing from the point of view of
[00:17:36] exports, it is nothing either from the point of view of the
[00:17:39] sustainability of its debt, if I may say so, because today if French debt is
[00:17:42] sustainable, it is thanks to what also? It's because in fact we know that behind
[00:17:46] it there is the European Central Bank, there is the European Stability Mechanism, there is everything we have created that makes
[00:17:50] European debts still remain strong, and on the other hand,
[00:17:54] revanche
[00:17:56] what worries the financial markets very clearly is the
[00:17:59] prospect of 2027 and the presidential elections,
[00:18:02] and that's also why we have a risk premium at slightly
[00:18:06] higher rates, contrary to what we think, it's not the state of the debt,
[00:18:09] it's both political instability since the
[00:18:12] dissolution, very clearly, the fact of
[00:18:16] knowing or not if we will manage to pass the budget, and then
[00:18:19] the upcoming elections, it's really the political
[00:18:22] issue that worries financial markets almost
[00:18:26] more than the level of our debt. Let's talk about the future
[00:18:29] budget, but this time for the European Union for 2028,
[00:18:32] 2034, which is currently being fiercely
[00:18:36] negotiated. Germany, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands,
[00:18:39] Austria are in the "frugals", what we call the frugals, those
[00:18:42] who demand that we be below 2000 billion
[00:18:46] euros over 7 years, proposed by the European Commission.
[00:18:50] Your European Parliament, Aurore Laluc, wants to maintain this amount. Who will
[00:18:54] win? If we don't have a budget that responds to European challenges, we
[00:18:58] will all lose, that's the reality. If there's no budget that allows
[00:19:01] us to advance on common defense, on digital independence,
[00:19:05] if there's a budget that doesn't allow us to be
[00:19:08] strong in AI, that doesn't allow us to advance in terms of ecological transition, in
[00:19:12] reindustrialization, we will all lose. That's what some
[00:19:15] countries should keep in mind. So there's the question of this
[00:19:19] budget, and on which you have it, the European Parliament is always
[00:19:22] more demanding than the member states, including
[00:19:26] Germany, which is now among the frugals, exactly. So we're going to
[00:19:29] try to push as much as possible, but besides that, in any
[00:19:32] case, we'll have to create new financial instruments. I know that the debate on
[00:19:36] debt annulment concerns France a lot, but in reality, at the European
[00:19:39] level, the debate we're having is on the issue of what we call safe assets. It's a bit
[00:19:43] technical, but it's about having common debt, so common interest
[00:19:46] rates. That's a debate we're having, by the way, a lot with
[00:19:50] Germany, which doesn't want to borrow in common.
[00:19:53] So precisely, Chancellor Scholz, very weakened
[00:19:56] after defeats in three
[00:20:00] regions, in the famous Länder, to the advantage
[00:20:03] of the far right in the east, old demons
[00:20:09] the far left in Berlin. What lesson do you draw from this? It's
[00:20:13] a situation that can also be found in France in reality, we also see that in
[00:20:17] France, the dominant
[00:20:20] party, or at least in the polls, is the National Rally, we see a rise
[00:20:26] everywhere in Europe,
[00:20:30] so there is an issue which is to remind people what the far
[00:20:33] right is, the far right is not a party like any other, that's what we need
[00:20:37] to remind people... and then to take care of Europeans, to
[00:20:41] take care of the French, I also believe that there are
[00:20:45] lessons we learned after the Second World War
[00:20:48] that have been forgotten, and that was to say that the
[00:20:52] best remedy for the rise of populism and
[00:20:55] nationalism is to ensure that there is no resentment, to ensure that there are no
[00:20:58] unacceptable inequalities. There is always an acceptable
[00:21:02] level of inequality, I don't care if there are billionaires as long as I live well
[00:21:05] and I think it's pretty much the same for everyone, so now we have
[00:21:09] arrived at things that are becoming unacceptable and that can
[00:21:12] create monsters. So let's talk
[00:21:15] about diversifying our
[00:21:18] sources of supply, about closer ties
[00:21:20] between the European Union and Canada with Mark
[00:21:24] Carney who was welcomed as a hero in your Strasbourg
[00:21:28] hemicycle, there are still 10 missing countries in the famous trade
[00:21:31] treaty that we signed with him, CETA, including
[00:21:35] France, should we do it? I am one of those who were
[00:21:38] opposed for health reasons, listening to a number
[00:21:42] of experts and NGOs, nevertheless I find that what was
[00:21:45] interesting with his visit to the European Parliament, because
[00:21:48] ultimately what Ursula von der Leyen was proposing was quite vague,
[00:21:52] meaning concretely we don't really know what it's about, what
[00:21:56] was
[00:21:58] important is that finally something positive was happening, these last
[00:22:02] few months, these last few years, we have
[00:22:05] been suffering, there has been bad news after bad
[00:22:08] news, we are going through difficult,
[00:22:11] tough times, and now finally something
[00:22:14] constructive is happening, we see that we are trying to
[00:22:18] create dialogue and create associations, we don't yet know
[00:22:22] what form it will take, with countries that
[00:22:25] resist and want to be constructive and who say to
[00:22:29] themselves, after all, well, the United States does what it wants, there you go, they wanted
[00:22:32] Trumpism, they have Trumpism, it's not because we are the neighbors of the United States that we belong
[00:22:36] to them, I find this phrase very strong by the way, and
[00:22:39] we decided to follow another path, yes, you
[00:22:42] spoke of trade agreements, we have 80 after Indonesia, India, Australia, the European
[00:22:46] Union is well on its way to concluding with the Philippines, uh...
[00:22:50] this diversification strategy because we also have trade tensions with China, we must
[00:22:52] not to forget another
[00:22:56] global actor, is it true that for you, she
[00:23:00] has an interest, should we regulate it or should we ban it? no, it can have an
[00:23:04] interest, but in the end, it's like everything in economics,
[00:23:08] the means are never the solution, so we can sign trade agreements,
[00:23:11] but they can't be just any agreements, they can't be just any
[00:23:14] one, they can't be with just any social and
[00:23:17] environmental standards, they can't be without a mirror clause and... we still need to be able to protect ourselves,
[00:23:21] so it's a strategic element, but it cannot be the
[00:23:24] strategy, the strategy that we should have in reality,
[00:23:28] is to no longer be in suicidal dependencies as in the field of
[00:23:32] oil for example and gas, we are rediscovering with each crisis that we
[00:23:36] don't have oil, well in reality, so we need to
[00:23:40] electrification in the field of payment systems, we also need to accelerate,
[00:23:44] but that's good, it's on the right track to be independent in the digital
[00:23:47] field, in fact it's more about... industrial
[00:23:50] policy and it's more about
[00:23:54] protecting our industry as much as possible, reproducing certain
[00:23:57] things in Europe, that will really protect us, you
[00:24:01] rightly mention China because we are always looking at the United States and
[00:24:05] Russia for obvious reasons, but China
[00:24:08] uh is very aggressive from a commercial point of view, we must protect our
[00:24:12] automotive sector for example and I am sorry about that, the issue of customs
[00:24:15] duties cannot be a taboo because we cannot let
[00:24:19] our industry. automotive, our batteries and
[00:24:22] so on, be destroyed
[00:24:25] by unfair competition while the European Union
[00:24:29] this week, it saved its sanctions against
[00:24:32] Moscow, by reluctantly joining despite criticism from Kiev,
[00:24:36] the demands of France and Luxembourg who obtained the removal of two
[00:24:40] Russian oligarchs from the blacklist, the favor shown to
[00:24:44] the Russian oligarch who was well connected in
[00:24:47] Azerbaijan, induced by a pardon granted to this
[00:24:50] French national imprisoned there, is
[00:24:53] Europe coherent and united on the Ukrainian issue
[00:24:57] and in its sanctions against Russia?
[00:25:00] No, it isn't. It isn't
[00:25:04] on this issue you mention, but for once, a life is
[00:25:08] at stake, but it isn't
[00:25:10] from many points of view, the gas issue remains a very
[00:25:14] thorny issue, there are many things on which
[00:25:17] it struggles to be coherent. and where
[00:25:21] national interests do not take precedence,
[00:25:24] I think that despite everything it holds up pretty well, but it needs to
[00:25:28] hold up very strongly because the times to come will be extremely tough
[00:25:31] and we know that Putin's strategy from the beginning has been to try to
[00:25:34] divide us, that's what he was surprised by, the fact
[00:25:38] that we remained united and that we responded,
[00:25:41] so in your book "Trump Against Europe", you say
[00:25:45] that we must be in a fighting position
[00:25:48] outside. is it true that Europe, for you, reacted
[00:25:52] well for example this week there
[00:25:55] assembly regarding a certain Donald
[00:25:58] Trump, I don't think so, I don't think that the European Union
[00:26:02] uh was up to the task on the issue of customs duties, I don't think it is up to the
[00:26:06] task on the International Criminal Court so far and I hope that its
[00:26:09] position will change, meaning that Trump is threatening the International Criminal Court
[00:26:13] uh and sanctioning judges
[00:26:16] and these judges so far are not protected by
[00:26:20] the European Commission which could do so, these judges are under American sanctions so they no longer
[00:26:24] have access to a large number of American websites, they
[00:26:28] no longer have access to payment cards and so on
[00:26:31] visa. They no longer have access to anything, that's it, the possibility of protecting
[00:26:35] them is to put in place what is called the blocking mechanism and the European Commission
[00:26:39] refuses to do so for now, so typically if you
[00:26:43] want to be respected, if you want, if you always appeal to international
[00:26:46] law, then you must protect the judges who apply it, and Donald Trump only
[00:26:50] understands one thing, I've been saying it from the beginning, it's the balance of power, we must maintain this
[00:26:54] balance of power, even if it's not in
[00:26:57] the DNA of European
[00:27:01] construction.
[00:29:49] We are somewhere in southern Israel just behind
[00:29:53] me.
[00:30:13] XIV to France, the Pope is multiplying meetings this morning,
[00:30:16] he exchanged with catechumens after visiting a center dedicated to the reception
[00:30:20] and integration of exiled people, he called for living together in
[00:30:24] dignity and peace, during
[00:30:28] this time the faithful are slowly
[00:30:33] Pope will celebrate an XXL mass starting at 3 PM, he
[00:30:37] will descend the Champs-Élysées before that, we will find
[00:30:40] Florence Gaillard on site