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[00:00:02] to see on France
[00:00:03] 24,
[00:00:07] it's noon in Paris, this is Paris Direct for you, we are together until 2 p.m. and we
[00:00:11] continue to follow this visit of Leo XIV in France, the Pope is multiplying the
[00:00:15] meetings this morning, he spoke with catechumens after having gone
[00:00:18] to a center reserved for the reception of
[00:00:21] us to the integration of exiled people, he called for living
[00:00:23] together in dignity and peace, meanwhile the faithful are beginning
[00:00:27] to flock to the Place de la Concorde and the chances. The Pope said
[00:00:31] he will celebrate an XXL mass starting at 3 p.m., he
[00:00:34] will descend the Champs-Élysées before that, we will find Anne Corpe and Marie
[00:00:37] Chester, both located at key points
[00:00:41] of this site.
[00:00:43] Zidedit Zida has reason to be satisfied with his first meeting as
[00:00:47] coach of the French team, a 1-0 victory against Turkey in
[00:00:50] the Nations League, but this victory was overshadowed by a knee injury to Killian
[00:00:54] Mbappé.
[00:01:08] and the Pope continues his speaking and reflection time with various civil and
[00:01:12] religious society actors, he went in the early morning to the Bakita house located in
[00:01:16] northern Paris where he exchanged with exiled people taken
[00:01:19] care of by the diocese in this reception place, this visit was
[00:01:23] meticulously planned but it allowed him to insist on the
[00:01:26] necessity of living together, I suggest you listen to Leo 14.
[00:01:33] mass later on Place de I address a special thank you to those who shared their
[00:01:37] testimony,
[00:01:40] the name of your support
[00:01:43] and social integration center which
[00:01:47] refers to Saint Bakita encourages
[00:01:50] us to recognize the fundamental role
[00:01:55] dignity, of respect for of women in building a civilization of love as
[00:01:58] an alternative to the culture that disaggregates
[00:02:02] communities and makes cities sick with
[00:02:07] mobile phones and especially mini phones the loneliness, another highlight at the Catholic Institute, he had
[00:02:09] meetings with catechumens, the Pope also went to
[00:02:14] 10 days, that was the main the church of Saint-Joseph des Carmes, Place de la
[00:02:17] Concorde, access opened at 9 a.m. for a mass scheduled for 3 p.m., the
[00:02:21] national operation, so that's it, it's taking Pope will descend the Champs-Élysées at 2:15 p.m., the
[00:02:24] organizers expect a very large crowd, a large
[00:02:27] cross, you see it, 4 meters suspended above
[00:02:31] the hotel in this place where, it must be remembered all the same, Louis
[00:02:35] XVI and Marie Antoinette were guillotined, as well as a thousand people, it was called
[00:02:38] at the time the Place de la Révolution, in this period of
[00:02:42] revolution, today it will be a place of prayer, of
[00:02:46] communion, of fervor, we will talk about all of that with Anne Corpe and Marie Chester, we
[00:02:50] first find Marie in the crowd of the Champs-Élysées, Marie,
[00:02:54] listen to the reaction first of good morning, we are starting to feel the effects of the
[00:02:56] crowd, let's meditate this Saturday.
[00:03:00] Yes, indeed, we are 3 hours from the mass which
[00:03:04] will begin here at 3 p.m. So, I am about halfway between
[00:03:08] the Place de la Concorde and, you can see behind me, the Arc de Triomphe. That
[00:03:12] represents about 2 km of road that
[00:03:14] the Pope will travel later, and along
[00:03:18] this road, people started to gather very early
[00:03:22] this morning, but to get where I am, it was really a hassle,
[00:03:25] so to speak, because there were a number of barriers
[00:03:29] with
[00:04:00] 25/2026 to receive communion at Sainte-Genevieve
[00:04:04] des Grandes Carrières in the 18th and so you are part of these new adults
[00:04:08] who discovered faith quite recently, that's right, I received faith late and I
[00:04:12] decided to have it certified, there you go, and now I'm going to have my
[00:04:15] confirmation on December 5th, there you go, I'm part of the
[00:04:18] Saint-Jean des Grandes Carrières parish in the 18th, and what does it represent for you
[00:04:22] to see the Pope today, why was it important to come today despite
[00:04:26] the crowds, despite the hassles sometimes in the metro, because
[00:04:29] that's it, faith and for me seeing him is like seeing
[00:04:33] Jesus or God, it's exactly the same, he's a very
[00:04:36] important person, very open, very close to the people and that really
[00:04:40] touches me, so you see a lot of faithful who
[00:04:43] have already gathered here at noon, we are
[00:04:47] 3 hours from the mass, we expect here on the Champs-Élysées up to 60,000
[00:04:50] people, thank you very much Marie, indeed the organizers
[00:04:54] called on the faithful to arrive and all, we could hear behind
[00:04:58] you the rosary being recited since, as you said, there are 3
[00:05:02] hours to wait, so we will have to make the
[00:05:06] faithful wait, uh and they will wait in prayer, we understood that, we are going to
[00:05:09] find at the top of the Champs-Élysées on the roof of Publicis, Anne,
[00:05:13] good morning, we are indeed preparing for a very large-scale
[00:05:16] event.
[00:05:20] Yes, 600,000 people are expected, to give you an idea, that's three
[00:05:23] times more than during the last papal mass organized in Paris,
[00:05:27] that was in 2008 by Benedict XVI,
[00:05:31] and the organizer, the coordinator
[00:05:34] of this stage spoke of a 3 km long cathedral
[00:05:38] since the initial device has been extended.
[00:05:43] from the Place de la Concorde to the Champs-Élysées to the Avenue de la Grande Armée which is located
[00:05:47] behind the Arc de Triomphe just
[00:05:50] behind me with an imposing security
[00:05:54] device, 15,000 members of the police forces have
[00:05:56] been deployed, snipers
[00:05:59] are on the rooftops including just above us on the
[00:06:03] Publicis terrace, so some
[00:06:07] voices have been raised against the organization
[00:06:10] of a religious event. in
[00:06:12] public space, they consider it an attack on
[00:06:16] secularism, on secularism, Pope Leo XIV answered
[00:06:19] them yesterday by explaining that secularism
[00:06:23] did not consist of banning religion from public space, that
[00:06:27] was interpreted by many as a thinly
[00:06:31] veiled criticism of the National Rally's program which
[00:06:33] plans to prohibit the wearing of the Islamic veil in
[00:06:37] public space. Marine Le Pen, the
[00:06:40] president of the National Rally.
[00:06:43] will attend the
[00:06:46] la Concorde, she is not the only presidential candidate who will be there since Édouard
[00:06:49] Philippe, Gabriel Attal,
[00:06:53] Bruno Rotallot, they will also be there to
[00:06:57] hear the Pope's homily, who will once
[00:07:00] again deliver his message of peace,
[00:07:04] of respect for human
[00:07:07] alterity and respect for the right to
[00:07:10] life. This enthusiasm does not necessarily reflect
[00:07:13] the practice of Catholicism in the country, we talk a lot about these
[00:07:17] new catechumens, but despite everything, it is true that we have a
[00:07:21] demonstration of faith that is not necessarily
[00:07:23] representative.
[00:07:27] Yes, well, in the early 1960s, 85% of French people declared
[00:07:30] themselves Catholic, today they are only 46%,
[00:07:34] but only 5% of French people go to
[00:07:38] mass every Sunday, we are also witnessing a
[00:07:41] collapse. of sacerdotal
[00:07:44] recruitment, there were only 84
[00:07:47] priests ordained this year, there are
[00:07:51] only 11,000 priests in France, 30%
[00:07:54] of whom come from abroad, a majority from
[00:07:58] Africa, there is only one baby in 10 who is baptized
[00:08:01] today, compared to 1 in 2
[00:08:05] in the early 2000s, but this is indeed the
[00:08:09] phenomenon that interests the Pope and the Vatican. There is a
[00:08:13] strong resurgence of adult
[00:08:16] baptisms, this was the case of this Catholic,
[00:08:20] interviewed a moment ago by
[00:08:22] Marie on the Champs-Élysées, we have gone
[00:08:26] from a Catholicism of transmission to a Catholicism
[00:08:30] of adhesion and this is what the
[00:08:33] Pope came to observe in Paris and
[00:08:37] elsewhere in France since he will also go to Lourdes and
[00:08:40] to Metz, Leo the... Pope Leo XIV who will
[00:08:44] descend the Champs-Élysées in a moment and whom we will
[00:08:47] see in his Popemobile pass
[00:08:50] under this Publicis terrace in a little
[00:08:54] over 2 hours now, thank you very
[00:08:57] much, it will indeed be a special edition to follow on our
[00:09:01] channels from 2 p.m. In
[00:09:04] international news, we continue to follow the developments in the Middle East, the Houthis have targeted
[00:09:08] the Saudi capital as well as a large city in the southwest, these attacks have continued
[00:09:12] for 10 days and have consequences on the export, as you know, of
[00:09:16] Saudi oil, Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman has
[00:09:19] requested the intervention of Donald Trump but without success for now, the
[00:09:23] kingdom is also awaiting potential military support
[00:09:26] from its Pakistani and Turkish
[00:09:29] partners. Donald Trump has rejected the Iranian proposal to
[00:09:33] reopen the Strait of Hormuz, the president preferred to publish on his
[00:09:36] social network a map representing the Strait with the mention Trump Strait
[00:09:40] and yes, the mid-term elections in 5 weeks seem to influence the
[00:09:44] strategy adopted by Donald Trump, Axel
[00:09:47] Simon. Did you talk about the war with Iran?
[00:09:50] Yes, will there be progress regarding the Strait of Hormuz? I think we will make
[00:09:54] excellent progress. Progress
[00:09:57] announced but which will still be awaited. According to the Wall Street
[00:10:01] Journal, Donald Trump refused on Friday an Iranian proposal
[00:10:04] aimed at reopening the Strait of Hormuz, currently
[00:10:08] locked, within 7 days. The proposal formulated by Tehran through
[00:10:11] Qatari media provided for the reopening of this strategic
[00:10:15] maritime route and the suspension of fighting in the region, including in
[00:10:19] Lebanon. In return, broader negotiations would have been
[00:10:22] engaged, the United States would have lifted. the blockade of Iranian
[00:10:25] ports, unblocked frozen funds and renounced oil
[00:10:29] sanctions targeting Iran. Unacceptable for Donald Trump,
[00:10:33] the American president estimates, according to the Wall Street Journal, that the Islamic
[00:10:37] Republic will not keep its commitments. The American
[00:10:40] president who would not rule out a resumption of strikes in Iran after the
[00:10:43] legislative mid-term elections on November 3rd. Unacceptable
[00:10:47] threats according to the head of Iranian diplomacy. Iran
[00:10:50] accepts neither coercion, nor
[00:10:54] threats, intimidation and will not renounce its sovereign rights under
[00:10:58] pressure. Sovereignty is not
[00:11:00] conditional.
[00:11:02] Diplomacy does not mean capitulation, and peace cannot
[00:11:06] be built on threats
[00:11:07] of annihilation.
[00:11:11] The blockade therefore continues on both sides and Donald Trump even
[00:11:15] added fuel to the fire with this map published on his social
[00:11:18] network which proposes to rename the Strait of Hormuz
[00:11:21] Trump Strait. The memorandum of understanding signed in June between
[00:11:25] Tehran and Washington provided however to end the war,
[00:11:29] reopen this strategic maritime passage and conduct
[00:11:32] talks on the ultra-sensitive aspect of the Iranian nuclear
[00:11:35] program, but no notable progress has been made
[00:11:39] since its signing.
[00:11:42] The floods in Bangkok are stabilized, but the capital is facing an unprecedented situation,
[00:11:46] a state of disaster has been declared, torrential rains have
[00:11:49] fallen in the last 24 hours, canals are overflowing, the east of the city is the most
[00:11:53] affected, the authorities are at work to pump out the water,
[00:11:56] the last flood of this magnitude in 2011 caused the death of 500
[00:12:00] people and damaged millions of homes,
[00:12:03] Myanmar is also
[00:12:06] bearing the consequences of these
[00:12:09] torrential rains since Thursday,
[00:12:13] it's a success for Zinedine Zidane, the new coach of the French
[00:12:17] team was highly anticipated for this first match and Les Bleus won
[00:12:20] 1-0 against the Turks in this Nations
[00:12:24] League match. thanks to a goal from Killian Mbappé, but the
[00:12:27] captain was injured in the knee, so he will have to
[00:12:31] return to Madrid to recover, there are still
[00:12:34] three matches to play for Les Bleus in the next
[00:12:39] news, you will find it right after in "Aux avant-postes".
[00:12:56] Hello and welcome to Aux avant-postes, the show that
[00:13:00] seeks meaning in the chaos of the world, without taking
[00:13:03] from the powerful to dry up the terror of
[00:13:06] cybercrime, our guest is not afraid,
[00:13:10] she is the one who arrested Pavel Durov,
[00:13:13] founder of the Telegram messaging network, it was
[00:13:16] she again who summoned Elon Musk for
[00:13:20] the excesses of his social network XX
[00:13:23] Twitter. Joanna Bruce is the deputy prosecutor of the Paris
[00:13:26] public prosecutor's office in charge of fighting
[00:13:29] cybercrime, she publishes with Jean-Claude
[00:13:32] Lates a book soberly titled "Cyber combattante",
[00:13:36] a work co-written with the journalist
[00:13:39] Clémence de Blazie. Hello Johanna
[00:13:42] Brous, hello, so it's a book that is both a personal
[00:13:46] narrative and a professional narrative. Why did
[00:13:49] you want to write, and it's rare, while you are
[00:13:53] still in office? So. You have to know that today's cyber threat
[00:13:57] is protean and above all very intense, and this book
[00:14:00] is about taking the reader on a journey through the investigations
[00:14:04] we've carried out and showing them the state of the
[00:14:07] threat, because it's getting stronger and stronger, as you say, and
[00:14:11] we really feel when reading your book that it concerns absolutely
[00:14:15] everything, child pornography, data theft, one wonders
[00:14:18] what escapes cybercriminals well, but that's a bit the
[00:14:22] observation we make in justice today, we talk about the cyberization of
[00:14:25] crime, yes, absolutely, so what does that mean? It means that
[00:14:29] even traditional crime
[00:14:32] today, well, will use a cyber vector
[00:14:36] to commit offenses, so it will be, for example, car theft with
[00:14:39] the hacking of connected speakers, it will be
[00:14:43] the hacking of bank ATMs to empty them and retrieve the
[00:14:47] content, what we call cyber-robbery, so
[00:14:50] today all forms of delinquency have this digital
[00:14:54] component. and we must respond to it, so there is this
[00:14:57] aspect where all crimes and offenses can also go
[00:15:01] digital, and the other aspect which is also very important in
[00:15:05] your book, is that it is cross-border and
[00:15:08] it seems that this makes your task even more difficult, we effectively
[00:15:11] do nothing without international cooperation, you have to
[00:15:15] imagine that the evidence is scattered all over the world, whether it's
[00:15:19] digital evidence, for example, IP addresses that need to be
[00:15:22] found, whether it's cryptocurrencies, so. we need this
[00:15:25] international cooperation and our foreign police and
[00:15:29] judicial partners to conduct the investigations, each has a part
[00:15:33] of the puzzle and by assembling them we succeed in identifying and apprehending
[00:15:37] cyber criminals. So what we discover in your book, and it's very honest of you,
[00:15:40] you say you're not a geek, you arrive in 2017, if my
[00:15:44] memory serves, in this J3 service of
[00:15:48] cybercrime, you're two or three and today you're
[00:15:52] 12, 13, is that about right? How do you
[00:15:55] do it not being a digital
[00:15:58] specialist to adapt, you had to learn everything? So that's what I explain
[00:16:01] in the book, the beginnings are a bit complicated because your first day, well I came from criminal
[00:16:05] permanence so I dealt with rapes, murders, drug
[00:16:09] trafficking and on my first day at J3, I was told, Johanna, it would be good
[00:16:13] to monitor a bot net, with the
[00:16:16] words, I had to take a little time to adapt and then a botnet,
[00:16:20] what is it, that's it, it's basically computers that are used to
[00:16:24] attack, exactly, so you adapted, we
[00:16:27] adapted, we trained and we gradually built up our strength,
[00:16:30] yeah, there's a lesson you didn't learn
[00:16:33] that you were given at the beginning of your career,
[00:16:37] you were told if you want to make a career
[00:16:40] in your in justice,
[00:16:43] you were advised to remain silent and you did the complete
[00:16:47] opposite, well, that's one of the first pieces of advice I was given and I told
[00:16:51] myself, but justice, we are there precisely to speak out for the
[00:16:54] victims and protect society, so no,
[00:16:57] indeed, I have always fought but it's not just me, it's all my
[00:17:01] colleagues, when you see the work of the prosecutors, the investigating
[00:17:04] judges, the children's judges, well, I think they know
[00:17:07] how to speak out to convey my feeling all the same when reading you that you have
[00:17:11] pushed habits very clearly and
[00:17:15] each time you were told no, it's not possible, she's dreaming, you
[00:17:18] describe very well in this book how you tried
[00:17:22] to set up operations differently, that is to say, if you wait for the victim's complaint
[00:17:26] to go after the criminals and cybercriminals, you will be too late,
[00:17:29] so we thought about how to attack the cyber
[00:17:33] vector to go after the criminals, concretely what is that?
[00:17:37] It will be the Prison Break operation where we realized that in French prisons,
[00:17:40] there were indeed a lot of
[00:17:44] size of a forbidden lighter, obviously forbidden and we said,
[00:17:48] well, what we need is to dismantle the clandestine
[00:17:51] fleet of miniature phones in France and
[00:17:55] we set up a
[00:17:58] the problem in reverse and cutting off the
[00:18:01] tap to avoid having to
[00:18:03] pick up the files with a shovel, a lot of imagination therefore.
[00:18:08] A lot of imagination, you have to be one step ahead of the criminals, that's
[00:18:11] essential, yeah, so I said at the beginning,
[00:18:15] you positioned yourself quite strongly on Pavel
[00:18:18] Durov, the creator of the Telegram network, the Telegram
[00:18:21] messaging service, also on Elon Musk, Pavel Durov, you
[00:18:25] arrested him, Elon Musk, you summoned him, he didn't
[00:18:28] come, so I'd like us to
[00:18:31] the spokesperson of the European Commission who is called
[00:18:34] Thomas Reigner who speaks on January 5, 2026
[00:18:38] and then you will see, we will have a French deputy Ric Botorel who
[00:18:41] speaks in April 2026, one
[00:18:45] promises the first that Europe will
[00:18:48] react and the other is satisfied with the fact that you reacted,
[00:18:52] let's listen to them.
[00:18:55] We are perfectly aware of the fact that x or grok or
[00:18:59] x for grok now offers a so-called "daring" mode presenting
[00:19:03] explicit sexual content, some of which are AI-generated images of
[00:19:06] children. That's not daring, it's illegal, it's
[00:19:09] revolting, it's disgusting, that's how we see things, and that
[00:19:13] has no place in Europe,
[00:19:17] and I am delighted to be in a country that decides,
[00:19:20] through its national law, to use its national law to assert
[00:19:24] that platforms are welcome here, but on condition that they operate under the conditions that we
[00:19:28] ourselves have set. So Johanna Brous,
[00:19:32] deputy prosecutor of the Republic,
[00:19:35] you dared
[00:19:37] to arrest Pavel Durov twice and then summoned Elon Musk,
[00:19:41] why did you dare? In fact, in
[00:19:44] French law, there is a crime called the crime of administering an
[00:19:48] illicit platform, which allows us to ask
[00:19:51] the leaders of large platforms to account when these
[00:19:54] platforms do not respect the law. So we
[00:19:58] indeed opened an investigation against the
[00:20:00] Telegram network. Pavel Durov was arrested and charged by the investigating
[00:20:04] judges because he refused to cooperate.
[00:20:08] This is one of the problems, he has other
[00:20:10] offenses on his platform, what he is also
[00:20:14] accused of is not having done enough moderation, and yes, the cleanup,
[00:20:18] that's it, and we could see child pornography images, so all that aspect, and then
[00:20:21] the X case for which we were indeed contacted by a
[00:20:25] deputy and we summoned Elon
[00:20:29] Musk and Linda Yacarino who ran
[00:20:32] X in France to hear them on the facts we
[00:20:35] accused them of, they did not come.
[00:20:37] We opened a judicial investigation against them and we requested
[00:20:41] their indictment. For Pavel Durov, you
[00:20:44] were lucky, he came to France, he
[00:20:47] indeed came...
[00:20:54] when you take this initiative it's you
[00:20:57] individually who takes it, you don't ask
[00:21:01] for authorization from the executive power, let alone from the
[00:21:04] President of the Republic, so justice is completely independent, it doesn't report
[00:21:08] to the executive power, however the public prosecutor's office, and that's its
[00:21:10] strength, we are a collective, so that means that
[00:21:14] when I make this decision, obviously I discuss it with the public prosecutor of Paris, Laure Beccuau, I discuss
[00:21:18] it with colleagues and it's this collective that allows us
[00:21:22] to stand firm because in these cases there are very strong
[00:21:25] political and diplomatic stakes and the pressure can sometimes be quite
[00:21:28] heavy, so concerning the Veldov case, there were immediate
[00:21:32] results, you write in the book that barely 2 days
[00:21:35] after his arrest, suddenly the
[00:21:39] platform started to collaborate very quickly we
[00:21:43] received answers to our requisitions which then allowed the cases to progress because
[00:21:46] when you know that there is
[00:21:50] such and such child pornography image on the platform, well, you can go and
[00:21:53] arrest him, that's it, so we need this information, yeah, and so you
[00:21:57] got it more easily and we can say that the collaboration is
[00:22:01] easier now and so it's going well, the collaboration is
[00:22:04] good, so it was necessary to take action, in any case we
[00:22:08] had the legal framework that allowed us
[00:22:11] to, and today the investigation continues, we'll see at the end if there are
[00:22:15] sufficient elements or not to send him
[00:22:18] to court, that's it, the investigation will continue calmly and everything will be
[00:22:22] carefully studied, and so you go after Elon Musk, after we
[00:22:26] seized, what did you tell yourself
[00:22:28] regarding this
[00:22:31] multinational? Well, it's an important
[00:22:34] case that we handled with seriousness, now it's no longer
[00:22:38] my responsibility, the investigating judges will continue
[00:22:41] the investigation and they will see if there is reason to go
[00:22:45] further, it was important to set an example,
[00:22:47] setting an example is important for everyone, that's right, and what's also important to remember is
[00:22:51] that justice is the same for everyone, I think
[00:22:55] that's a message we need to convey and
[00:22:59] to which we must be attached. So what pleasantly surprised me when reading
[00:23:02] your work is the aspect of international cooperation, you
[00:23:06] don't seem to complain about it, quite
[00:23:10] the opposite, you find that it works rather well, which is quite
[00:23:13] astonishing on this aspect, so I suggest
[00:23:17] you listen to the Vietnamese president, Luong.
[00:23:20] He spoke on October 25th 2026,
[00:23:24] 25, and it was on the occasion of a sub-legal
[00:23:27] UN meeting for a signature by about
[00:23:30] sixty countries of a convention to further
[00:23:34] improve cooperation in the fight against
[00:23:37] cybercrime, let's
[00:23:39] listen.
[00:23:43] For the convention to be truly implemented in practice, it requires not only
[00:23:46] political will, but also international cooperation in terms of
[00:23:50] resources, training, technical assistance, and technology
[00:23:54] transfer. These efforts will help strengthen the capacities of
[00:23:57] nations and build a secure and stable
[00:23:59] cyberspace.
[00:24:02] There are two aspects: political will, you feel
[00:24:05] it in the cooperation, well,
[00:24:08] uh not really because we are really
[00:24:11] operational, meaning that the existing texts and conventions
[00:24:14] are applied to be able to ask different countries for help, thanks
[00:24:18] to that I was able to do uh searches all
[00:24:22] over the world, for example, in Canada, I arrested a hacker who
[00:24:25] had committed ransomware attacks, we also see you in Morocco,
[00:24:28] I was in Morocco, I even was in another time in Russia,
[00:24:32] uh, I was, well, I regularly go to
[00:24:35] Senegal too, so that's more uh for training projects
[00:24:39] but because we need to initiate these trainings and
[00:24:42] dialogue with our partners to be able to be collectively effective, can we
[00:24:46] push this cooperation further? Yes,
[00:24:49] I think we can... it's because sometimes the processing times are a bit
[00:24:52] long, that's what I also talk about in the book, it took us almost 2 years to recover
[00:24:56] a mobile phone in Brazil, so we recovered it, but it's 2 years
[00:25:00] of investigation and perseverance, voilà, and
[00:25:03] we also feel that there are several countries that want to recover either
[00:25:07] elements of tools or people, so there too we have
[00:25:10] to agree on who will prosecute
[00:25:14] and so on, and on that does it improve or
[00:25:17] not? Yes, overall, I think today... everyone manages
[00:25:20] to find their place and then, in any case, in Europe, an extraordinary
[00:25:24] cooperation tool called Eurojust, Eurojust is
[00:25:27] located in the Netherlands and it allows, well, when you have
[00:25:30] difficulties with a case, whether the evidence is scattered around the world or the
[00:25:34] perpetrators are a bit everywhere on the planet, well, to
[00:25:37] meet up, exchange, and see who will give what for which investigation and who will
[00:25:41] arrest this or that person, so that's extraordinary, so it works with many
[00:25:44] countries, it works less, as you said, with Russia, how does it work with
[00:25:48] Beijing and with Washington?
[00:25:50] So with Russia, there is no cooperation at all, it was
[00:25:53] suspended, with China there are requests
[00:25:56] for mutual legal assistance and letters rogatory and with the
[00:26:00] United States we manage to have very good operational
[00:26:02] cooperation, we regularly build cases
[00:26:06] together, recently, I think it was in
[00:26:08] July, we dismantled a platform that
[00:26:12] allowed for sexually explicit deepfakes, concretely what is it,
[00:26:15] it's women who were put on this platform and undressed in extremely
[00:26:19] suggestive positions, it was the United States that alerted
[00:26:24] the existence of this platform, who gave us the elements to identify and
[00:26:28] arrest the perpetrator in France and he was judged and condemned in
[00:26:31] Paris, you see. very concrete implications, so
[00:26:34] there are platforms where it doesn't go so well
[00:26:38] the platform located in Australia well I don't remember if it's Kick, no, yes
[00:26:41] there's a case, things are not great on this platform, the
[00:26:44] leaders didn't want to come meet you, simply, so
[00:26:48] sometimes indeed when we summon people we want
[00:26:51] to hear, they don't come, in this case, we also opened a
[00:26:55] judicial investigation
[00:26:57] and the prosecutor of Paris Lord Becquiao
[00:27:01] indicated that we had requested arrest warrants, it's
[00:27:05] not because you don't come that justice won't continue its work
[00:27:08] or there's another aspect that is also dear
[00:27:12] to your heart, it's prevention, how to
[00:27:15] prevent or train internet users so that they are
[00:27:18] not the victims of cybercriminals, I suggest
[00:27:21] listening to Scott Bessen who is the American Minister of Finance, he
[00:27:24] spoke on September 1, 2026, during a
[00:27:28] G20 Finance meeting and he also
[00:27:32] insists on the need to train internet users, let's
[00:27:35] listen:
[00:27:38] financial education is not just a program for
[00:27:41] young people, we find that many of our seniors are being targeted
[00:27:45] by fraudsters at a time when cybercrime is on the
[00:27:48] rise, by working together, we can foster a
[00:27:51] growing economy, empower everyone with the knowledge to
[00:27:55] benefit from it and protect their
[00:27:57] savings,
[00:27:59] you are also quite committed to... why
[00:28:03] if we want to be effective
[00:28:06] we must, well when I say effective, it means being a cyber-resilient nation, we
[00:28:10] must train young people as early as possible
[00:28:13] in the uses of the internet,
[00:28:17] we set up with the Ministry of National Education, the gendarmerie, cyber
[00:28:21] malicious acts, the CNIL an operation called
[00:28:24] Cactus which aims to raise awareness among all middle and high school students in France, high school students in
[00:28:28] France about cyber risks, so it's an operation that is reproduced year after year.
[00:28:32] So we are truly trying to have a very strong commitment, especially since
[00:28:36] you will have noticed that we had a wave of data leaks in
[00:28:39] France mainly by either
[00:28:43] minors or young adults, ah yes, and that's
[00:28:46] what we also see in your book, the hackers you
[00:28:50] arrest are very young, yeah, and so
[00:28:53] young people are both obviously among the first
[00:28:56] victims with the elderly, but also they are among the
[00:29:00] hackers who succeed in operations.
[00:29:02] Exactly what, because we notice that we have
[00:29:06] a lot of young people who are very good at cyber but who will cut themselves off
[00:29:10] from the world, isolate themselves, sometimes no longer leave their rooms, uh and they
[00:29:14] will, well, live, build a certain notoriety through this
[00:29:17] myth of the hero hacker and what we are trying to deconstruct regularly,
[00:29:21] when I have young people in police custody, sometimes minors, we can't
[00:29:25] do the whole operation at once because we have to analyze the computer
[00:29:29] equipment, so they will have to come back and I tell them well you will have to come back but in the meantime I
[00:29:33] want you to be registered, well I don't know, in sports, that you have gone back to school and you
[00:29:36] will come back with the supporting documents and we will take that into account and so
[00:29:40] there a few days ago there was a young man who
[00:29:44] came back with all his supporting documents for gym membership and so that's
[00:29:47] the first step towards reintegration, it's, it's, it's basic,
[00:29:51] getting them out of their rooms and showing them that there's another world
[00:29:55] possible, victims of a lot of naivety.
[00:29:58] Yes, and naivety, and then I think that
[00:30:02] sometimes these are young people who are in social difficulty, they don't necessarily have many friends
[00:30:06] and and through these hacking acts they feel external, they find
[00:30:10] an existence, an existence uh well, so
[00:30:13] that's exactly what we need to deconstruct, so you also say
[00:30:16] in the book that your operations have allowed you to
[00:30:19] recover a lot of money, especially in bitcoin
[00:30:23] and so on, but we see that your means are not
[00:30:26] extraordinary, but then comes the AI
[00:30:30] wave and behind it the quantum wave which
[00:30:33] will give criminals, cybercriminals, more and
[00:30:36] more means, we already see it,
[00:30:40] ah you already see it, we already see it through the hacking acts
[00:30:44] that are committed thanks to AI and we are starting to sound the alarm
[00:30:48] by saying that we will also have to think
[00:30:51] about this question, whether an
[00:30:54] AI provider that does not sufficiently curb its AI which allows the realization of
[00:30:58] cyber attacks and...