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[00:00:10] Hello everyone, thank you for being with us on France 24. On the front page
[00:00:14] of this news, 700,000 people were gathered earlier
[00:00:18] at Place de la Concorde for the Pope's XXL mass. Leo XIV
[00:00:22] is now on his way to Lourdes for a prayer in the Grotto of
[00:00:26] Apparitions which will take place in the evening. But before that, the...
[00:00:30] highlights of this day with Marie Chuster. She will be live with
[00:00:33] us, she is live with us from Place de la Concorde. She will
[00:00:37] tell us about this day. And then we are also with Constance
[00:00:40] Colonna Césari, Vatican specialist journalist. Hello to you, thank you
[00:00:43] for being with us.
[00:00:47] Rejection, Donald Trump rejects the Iranian offer to
[00:00:51] reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 7 days. It was during the UN General Assembly
[00:00:55] this week that Tehran made the proposal. The American
[00:00:58] president, for his part, believes that the Iranians are losing the
[00:01:01] game. We will come back to this in this news. And then
[00:01:05] Bangkok under water. The Thai capital is submerged
[00:01:08] after the torrential rains that have fallen in the last 48
[00:01:12] hours. The state of natural disaster has been declared.
[00:01:15] Significant floods have been observed particularly on the roads, but the
[00:01:19] situation is now
[00:01:21] proposal at the UN General Assembly stabilized. The eviction that
[00:01:24] causes.
[00:01:35] an eviction that causes a real outcry in Spain. Hundreds
[00:01:38] of people are demonstrating in Madrid today to
[00:01:42] support Marie Carmen. She is an 87-year-old woman who
[00:01:45] lived in an apartment in the center of the Spanish capital for
[00:01:49] Wall Street Journal, Donald Trump refused 7 decades. She was evicted by
[00:01:52] the real estate agency that had bought her home. This is an illustration of
[00:01:56] the housing crisis in large Spanish cities.
[00:02:05] We will come back to that later, but right now,
[00:02:08] we're going to Place de la Concorde. Earlier, Pope
[00:02:12] Leo XIV celebrated an XXL mass.
[00:02:16] 700,000 people
[00:02:17] but in the long term we will save responded to this
[00:02:19] money, and you Cécile de event. They came from all over France, they gathered for this
[00:02:22] giant mass. The Pope again addressed young people after the prayer
[00:02:26] vigil that was dedicated last night at the Stade de France. We go live...
[00:02:30] to the scene. Marie Chester, you are at Place de la Concorde, you
[00:02:33] witnessed this giant
[00:02:36] mass. What can we remember about
[00:02:40] this fervor during the
[00:02:42] mass?
[00:02:48] Well, a great fervor, that's what we can remember from this
[00:02:51] XXL mass, as you said. As I speak
[00:02:54] to you, the giant screens are off, traffic will
[00:02:57] reopen. here on
[00:03:00] the Avenue des Champs-Élysées, there are still some people. A few moments ago, we crossed
[00:03:04] a convent, people from a
[00:03:08] sexual violence and also the issue of convent who have to hurry
[00:03:11] Montaldi so as not to be stuck in traffic, they have 5 hours of driving. In
[00:03:15] any case, we felt this fervor all day long. We were in the middle of the
[00:03:19] crowd on the Champs-Élysées with my cameraman Fabrice
[00:03:22] Soussou, a fervor at the passage of the Popemobile
[00:03:26] where people were pushing to
[00:03:28] catch a glimpse of the Pope, a fervor also at the end of this mass where
[00:03:32] the faithful who had gathered there
[00:03:36] since the beginning of the morning raised as one man the small Vatican flags that had
[00:03:40] been distributed to them at the entrance of the checkpoints and
[00:03:44] then warmly applauded Leo XIV and on
[00:03:48] the giant screens I can assure you that many also felt
[00:03:52] the emotion of the Pope himself, the emotion at
[00:03:55] the welcome he received in the French
[00:03:59] capital. Next step for Pope Leo XIV of
[00:04:02] this apostolic journey is tonight in Lourdes and tomorrow
[00:04:06] and Monday, sorry, Mass for a final celebration to which
[00:04:09] European heads of state will be invited. Thank you
[00:04:13] Marie Chuster who you were live
[00:04:16] with us from Place de la Concorde and indeed we will come back to the
[00:04:20] rest of the Pope's program but first Constance Colonna Césari, so you
[00:04:24] are a Vatican specialist journalist. Uh, about
[00:04:27] this mass that took place in the square. in Place de la Concorde, did you feel this
[00:04:31] emotion? Yes, well, it's difficult
[00:04:35] it was during the UN General just from the images we're getting, but still,
[00:04:38] it's already a success because of the number, that's true
[00:04:41] uh, the fact that uh, well, it exceeded
[00:04:45] the expectations of the French Bishops' Conference
[00:04:49] which
[00:04:51] Formerly known as the Venice of had a smaller perimeter, a smaller
[00:04:54] gauge, right? Finally it expanded again
[00:04:58] uh to the Avenue de la...
[00:05:00] told, that's what the Church Grand Army, there, we can talk about success, given
[00:05:03] that also this procession with the Popemobile
[00:05:07] was more successful, I would say, than
[00:05:11] yesterday's where... we had the impression that there weren't enough people
[00:05:14] because those boulevards on which the Pope
[00:05:18] passed quickly, that vehicle passed quickly, did not allow
[00:05:21] these stops, even if he had some halts with some babies to
[00:05:25] bless, he didn't have anyway those images as
[00:05:29] visible with a crowd so close to him, we saw
[00:05:32] images that were disturbing, moving with
[00:05:35] this young man with a disability, who was hoisted, who was
[00:05:39] carried by his arms, these children, then we always saw...
[00:05:42] this happy, smiling face of the
[00:05:46] Pope who seemed to be in his element.
[00:05:49] So we will continue with you Constance, but first, before
[00:05:53] joining Place de la Concorde for this giant mass, this
[00:05:56] morning the Pope visited the Bakita House, an association of the
[00:06:00] Diocese of Paris, a reception and support center for exiled
[00:06:03] undocumented people. Leo XIV has on several
[00:06:07] occasions expressed his views on the plight of migrants, we will come back to that, but
[00:06:11] first, this report by Matthieu.
[00:06:14] It is a subject dear to Pope Leo XIV, the protection of migrants and
[00:06:18] refugees. Just before his departure for France, he launched
[00:06:22] this appeal from St. Peter's Square. My
[00:06:25] thoughts go out to migrants and refugees, especially to
[00:06:28] minors forced to leave their countries. It is not
[00:06:31] uncommon for them to lose their lives on migratory routes. I appeal
[00:06:35] to everyone's responsibility. Let us all
[00:06:38] be concerned about the lives of these young people who must always be protected and
[00:06:41] supported. Like Pope Francis before him, Leo XIV
[00:06:45] visited the small Italian island of Lampedusa this summer, which has become
[00:06:48] a symbol of the deadly crossings of the Mediterranean. For the Sovereign
[00:06:52] Pontiff, each migratory case is first and foremost a human story.
[00:06:56] Pope Leo is in line
[00:06:59] with Pope Francis, who calls
[00:07:03] for hospitality, generosity and
[00:07:06] who says that we are prosperous enough
[00:07:10] countries not to let
[00:07:13] migrants die in the Mediterranean Sea. Helping the most
[00:07:16] vulnerable is the message that Leo XIV should deliver again this
[00:07:19] morning, starting at 9 a.m. He is expected at Bakita House in
[00:07:23] Paris, a center that supports migrants in their integration
[00:07:26] process.
[00:07:29] So Leo XIV is now expected in Lourdes for a
[00:07:32] prayer at 7:40 p.m. at the Grotto of Apparitions. John Paul II
[00:07:36] and Benedict XVI also visited before him but it
[00:07:39] had been 18 years since the Marian city was waiting
[00:07:43] for a new papal visit there. Religious, shopkeepers
[00:07:47] and faithful are ready to receive him. The report from
[00:07:50] our colleagues from France
[00:07:51] 2.
[00:07:55] Pilgrims are already converging towards Lourdes, by the thousands from all over the
[00:07:59] world, they are raising the fervor in the city, decorated in the
[00:08:02] colors of the Vatican,
[00:08:05] he has no words, he has no words, even if he is not yet there, even if he is not yet
[00:08:09] there, we see all that is being prepared, really looking forward to seeing him for... the first time,
[00:08:13] first time I see a Pope in general and so it's it's always a great
[00:08:16] moment, it's a beautiful day, our
[00:08:20] pilgrimage, the Pope and who knows, the apparition of the Virgin if we are
[00:08:23] lucky.
[00:08:26] The city is barricading itself by installing the equivalent of 13
[00:08:29] km of barriers, 15,000 people are expected over
[00:08:33] the weekend, some already lost ask for help from the
[00:08:37] CRS,
[00:08:40] but everyone is smiling for... the Pope's arrival,
[00:08:44] all the shopkeepers are happy, all the Parisians are happy, he just has to come
[00:08:47] now, we saw what happened in Paris, it's fantastic, we want the same thing
[00:08:51] in Lourdes, security gates filter arrivals at the
[00:08:55] sanctuary, more than 3000 gendarmes and police will
[00:08:58] secure the event, including in the
[00:09:00] air, thanks to their fixed or mobile drones,
[00:09:04] these police will be able to visualize live each
[00:09:07] movement, we will watch that the Pope arrives well
[00:09:11] to secure his... bare when he will circulate in his popemobile
[00:09:15] and especially check
[00:09:17] that there is no crowd movement on the ground. The great mass on Sunday morning is
[00:09:21] being prepared, this deacon will have the privilege of being closest
[00:09:25] to Leo XIV to prepare the altar with the Pope right next
[00:09:28] to him and presumably right next to him so I'm waiting to know
[00:09:32] what I'm going to be asked to do, I just hope I don't make any mistakes and I don't
[00:09:36] overturn a chalice or a paten. The Pope
[00:09:40] is expected tonight shortly before 8 p.m. at the Grotto of Apparitions where he
[00:09:44] will give his blessing, a first step that should already gather
[00:09:48] 50,000 people.
[00:09:51] Constance Colonna Césari. So first, what is this Grotto of Apparitions, for those who
[00:09:55] don't know, obviously, we know the story of Bernadette Soubirous for many of
[00:09:58] us, but explain the importance for the Church. Yes, so it's
[00:10:02] this young girl, very young from a
[00:10:06] very modest background, who saw the Virgin
[00:10:09] appear, so that's what she
[00:10:12] believed and authenticated finally the
[00:10:15] 18 apparitions of the Virgin Mary in
[00:10:19] 1860 if I'm not mistaken about the date
[00:10:22] and so voilà since uh... uh she is
[00:10:26] declared a saint, Saint Bernadette, because
[00:10:29] we know the Church has rigorously
[00:10:33] validated, after a trial, the
[00:10:35] miracles that have occurred through
[00:10:39] the intercession of the prayer to Bernadette Soubirous, so there
[00:10:43] you go, the water from the grotto where the Virgin
[00:10:47] appeared heals
[00:10:50] so obviously the sick flock there obviously because
[00:10:53] it is a belief validated by the Church that one can heal, that there
[00:10:57] are miracles in this place, obviously, it has
[00:11:00] become a huge Marian sanctuary and
[00:11:03] so we are in a ritual of papal
[00:11:06] journeys because obviously going to a sanctuary as
[00:11:10] well-known internationally as Lourdes,
[00:11:13] it is really an obligation,
[00:11:16] uh, I was going to say that the mayor of Lourdes, that the bishop of
[00:11:19] Lourdes, everyone was doing the belly dance, right, to have the
[00:11:23] Pope, all the dioceses in the world. want to have a Pope come to them and
[00:11:27] now it's their turn. Thank you Constance anyway, this is what we could
[00:11:30] say about the Pope's visit at this stage, of course we will
[00:11:34] come back to it throughout the evening, we will return to this prayer in Lourdes
[00:11:38] tonight. In other news, Donald Trump rejects the Iranian
[00:11:41] offer to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. Tehran submitted this
[00:11:46] this week for a reopening of the passage within 7
[00:11:50] days, and according to the Wall Street Journal, the American president
[00:11:53] is considering a resumption of bombings on Iran
[00:11:57] after the terms of Maxel
[00:11:58] Simon. Have you spoken about the war with
[00:12:02] Iran? Yes, will there be progress regarding the Strait of Hormuz? I
[00:12:06] think we will make excellent progress.
[00:12:09] Announced progress, but which will still be awaited. According to the
[00:12:14] Friday an Iranian proposal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 7
[00:12:18] days, which is currently blocked. The proposal
[00:12:22] made by Tehran through Qatari media provided
[00:12:26] for the reopening of this strategic maritime route and the suspension
[00:12:30] of fighting in the region, including in Lebanon. In exchange, broader
[00:12:33] negotiations would have been initiated, the United States would have
[00:12:37] lifted the blockade of Iranian ports, unfrozen funds
[00:12:40] and renounced oil sanctions against Iran.
[00:12:44] Unacceptable for Donald Trump, the American president believes, according to the
[00:12:48] Wall Street Journal, that the Islamic Republic will not keep its
[00:12:51] commitments. The American president, who would not rule out a resumption
[00:12:54] of strikes in Iran after the midterm legislative elections on
[00:12:58] November 3rd, unacceptable threats according to the head of Iranian
[00:13:02] diplomacy. Iran
[00:13:04] accepts neither coercion, nor threats, nor intimidation and will not
[00:13:08] renounce its sovereign rights under pressure. Sovereignty is not
[00:13:12] conditional.
[00:13:15] Diplomacy does not mean capitulation and peace
[00:13:18] cannot be built on threats
[00:13:20] of annihilation.
[00:13:23] The blockade continues, therefore, on both sides, and Donald Trump even
[00:13:27] added fuel to the fire with this map published on his social
[00:13:30] network which proposes to rename the Strait of Hormuz the
[00:13:34] Trump Strait. The memorandum of understanding signed in June between
[00:13:38] Tehran and Washington provided however for an end to the war,
[00:13:42] the reopening of this strategic maritime passage and talks
[00:13:45] on the ultra-sensitive issue of the Iranian nuclear program.
[00:13:48] But no significant progress has been made
[00:13:51] since its signing.
[00:13:55] Catastrophic floods in Bangkok, the Thai capital under water,
[00:13:59] after torrential rains, the state of natural disaster has been
[00:14:02] declared throughout the city, the torrential rains
[00:14:06] interrupted for the last 48 hours have caused very significant
[00:14:10] floods, the story by Axel
[00:14:11] Simon:
[00:14:15] submerged roads and residents forced to move in more
[00:14:18] than twenty centimeters of water, as the canals of
[00:14:21] Bangkok overflow and water seeps into buildings. Life
[00:14:25] continues at all costs in the streets of the Thai capital under
[00:14:29] torrential rains.
[00:14:32] I'm in shock, honestly this situation is quite
[00:14:35] frightening. Saturday evening, the situation was
[00:14:38] considered stabilized, even if the roads are still flooded,
[00:14:42] the damage is already considerable, according to the
[00:14:45] authorities of Bangkok, the most affected part is the east of the
[00:14:48] city, they have opened several temporary shelters in schools
[00:14:52] and have prepared a million sandbags for...
[00:14:59] The warnings were rather limited this time, the only real alert
[00:15:03] came Thursday morning via a notification on our
[00:15:05] phones.
[00:15:08] Before that, I was not sufficiently informed to consider taking refuge
[00:15:12] elsewhere.
[00:15:16] the East, Bangkok is built on ancient swamps and is organized around
[00:15:20] a vast network of canals. The Thai capital regularly experiences
[00:15:24] '.
[00:15:38] In 2011, significant floods throughout Thailand had
[00:15:42] killed more than 500 people and damaged millions of
[00:15:44] homes.
[00:15:49] That's all for the news, we'll be back later for another news broadcast, see you soon.
[00:16:06] The proposal for a comprehensive law was passed in parliamentary
[00:16:09] committee. Debates on the text will begin in a few days in the National
[00:16:13] Assembly. Designed to fight this scourge at 360°,
[00:16:16] it aims to be comprehensive, with a total of 69
[00:16:20] articles to better define gender-based and sexual violence and
[00:16:24] to fight against it. Documentarian Cécile de la Rue and
[00:16:27] lawyer Violaine de Filippi Sabat, spokesperson for the
[00:16:30] feminist coalition, Integral Law, they revisit
[00:16:34] this bill:
[00:16:46] Hello everyone and welcome to current affairs: French parliamentarians
[00:16:50] are examining the comprehensive bill aimed at combating gender-based and
[00:16:54] sexual violence, we will discuss it in a moment with my
[00:16:57] guests, Cécile de la Rue
[00:17:00] and Violaine de Filippi Sabaté, this law could really change things
[00:17:04] in our country after an accumulation of scandals and judicial
[00:17:07] failures and as the voices of victims are increasingly being
[00:17:11] heard, a look back at the origins of this text with David
[00:17:15] Gilberg, the comprehensive law,
[00:17:17] the comprehensive law, interrupted
[00:17:21] during the summer, mobilization resumed with renewed vigor in early
[00:17:23] September, every Monday in front of the Ministry of Justice, women
[00:17:27] in large majority continue to put pressure on the political
[00:17:30] power, they have already obtained the submission to parliament of a
[00:17:34] comprehensive bill, a comprehensive law.
[00:17:38] Its objective is to address gender-based and sexual violence in a global
[00:17:41] way, from prevention to criminal response, including victim support
[00:17:44] and reparation. We know all too well that
[00:17:48] unfortunately we can vote for rights, we can
[00:17:51] advance issues, if the means do not follow in our state, then
[00:17:55] unfortunately they will be of little effect and little
[00:17:58] implemented. And precisely, the criticisms have already multiplied. In
[00:18:02] special committee, deputies have notably suppressed one of the flagship measures,
[00:18:06] the mandatory annual interview for all students to detect
[00:18:09] violence, due to lack of necessary budget. More broadly,
[00:18:13] associations and opposition representatives denounce a lack of additional
[00:18:16] means to implement the 69 articles of the
[00:18:19] law. The billions announced to fight against gender-based
[00:18:23] and sexual violence and protect children. In reality,
[00:18:26] the announced sums were only existing. The
[00:18:30] one and a half billion euros to fight against gender-based and sexual violence and the 2.6
[00:18:34] billion for child protection planned in the next budget are
[00:18:37] indeed only the reorientation of already existing funding. For the
[00:18:41] government, change is above all a matter of
[00:18:44] method, and it is in this that the so-called comprehensive response at
[00:18:48] 360°, which involves all actors
[00:18:51] in a perhaps completely new way in terms of cultural and
[00:18:55] political approach, I believe in it enormously. A
[00:18:58] law based on the model of what exists in Spain, which the French authorities
[00:19:02] have resolved to present in the face of the emotion aroused by the Lianna
[00:19:05] case, this 11-year-old girl.
[00:19:07] Last June, the main suspect had been reported several times over
[00:19:11] 9 years without being prosecuted by justice. The anger was too
[00:19:14] great to be ignored, while the trial of the Mazan rapes and the figure of
[00:19:18] Gisel Pelico had already strengthened the determination of
[00:19:21] activists fighting against gender-based and sexual violence. The scandal
[00:19:25] of extracurricular activities in Parisian schools and the numerous unreported violence by animators
[00:19:29] have also intensified this fight for a comprehensive
[00:19:32] law. A cause that continues to generate much
[00:19:35] expectation and is now a political issue, as evidenced by the
[00:19:39] parade of presidential candidates at the weekly gatherings in Place
[00:19:42] Vendôme.
[00:19:47] And to better understand what it really is, I am pleased to welcome to this set
[00:19:51] Cécile de la Rue. Hello, you are a journalist, documentary filmmaker, you have
[00:19:54] notably signed this film "The Lie Factory" about the trial
[00:19:58] between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. You have also filed a complaint for sexual
[00:20:02] harassment against the French journalist and news anchor Patrick
[00:20:06] Poivre d'Arvor. And then also with us Violaine de Philippi
[00:20:10] Sabaté, hello, you are spokesperson for the
[00:20:13] feminist coalition Integral Law, you are also a lawyer,
[00:20:16] author, you have notably signed "The Scarlet Resistance,
[00:20:20] Women Facing the New Backlash," published by Payot. Thank you both
[00:20:23] for your presence on this set. To start,
[00:20:27] Cécile de la Rue, would we have had this comprehensive
[00:20:30] law if it hadn't been for the
[00:20:33] Lianna, Pelico, #MeToo
[00:20:36] cases, etc.? #MeToo, you should know that it will soon be its
[00:20:40] 9th anniversary, so it's very long. You noted that
[00:20:44] I was part of the people who filed a complaint against Patrick Poivre d'Arvor, I
[00:20:48] think that it is also cases like that which have led to a
[00:20:52] social awareness, but which is very, very slow in
[00:20:55] France. Yes, it is the Lianna case which
[00:20:59] triggered it, but it is also all the previous cases and what is
[00:21:03] interesting above all with this comprehensive law is that
[00:21:06] it is a work of at least 2 years, it has been at least 2 years that we have been thinking about
[00:21:09] all this. And what do you expect from this law? Well,
[00:21:13] everything, obviously, as we very well
[00:21:16] understood in the subject we just saw, a lot of hope. A lot of
[00:21:20] fear also that it won't work because we have this idea that it's a
[00:21:23] bit of an open door and that once it's, well, if
[00:21:27] we don't start right away, we're
[00:21:30] doomed. Violaine de Filippi Sabaté, there are more than 200
[00:21:34] feminist organizations that have looked at the issue and made 140
[00:21:37] proposals. Do you think that the comprehensive law as
[00:21:41] it was voted in committee and is about to be debated in parliament is complete?
[00:21:45] It will never be perfect but in any case it responds to the urgency because for example when
[00:21:49] you file a complaint today you have no legal guarantee that an
[00:21:52] investigation will be diligently conducted within a reasonable time
[00:21:55] nor even that a certain number of investigative acts will be carried out
[00:21:59] before the prosecutor makes a decision. In other words,
[00:22:03] today a case can be closed even though no investigation has been carried out or
[00:22:06] even though the investigations that have been carried out are largely insufficient.
[00:22:10] When we look at the articles that have been proposed, there is notably this
[00:22:14] creation of specialized jurisdictions, this has existed for a very long time in Spain,
[00:22:17] how do you explain that France... is only looking into the question
[00:22:21] today while other countries are much further ahead of us? Indeed, Spain implemented it
[00:22:24] in the early 2000s, uh, it works well on the
[00:22:28] ground, investigations are conducted much more quickly, of course there are
[00:22:31] also still some flaws there, but it's still much
[00:22:35] better. In France, it's not the first time we've talked about it, indeed it could still change
[00:22:39] a lot of things because having specialized jurisdictions allows us to ensure that
[00:22:42] the magistrates who handle the cases, but also all the stakeholders in the judicial chain
[00:22:46] are specially trained, especially in psychotrauma mechanisms. Because today,
[00:22:50] post-traumatic stress disorder, traumatic memory, are things that are not very well understood even by
[00:22:54] judicial personnel themselves. Uh, Cécile de la Rue, do you think
[00:22:58] this law is complete or is something still missing? No, it's not
[00:23:01] complete. I'm fighting for us to add coercive control, which
[00:23:05] is a very important element
[00:23:08] uh which is not present in the French
[00:23:12] legislative system, whereas it exists in Canada, it
[00:23:15] exists in England, it exists in many other countries,
[00:23:19] uh and the idea is to have a tool that can take into
[00:23:23] much more complex and that the judicial system cannot
[00:23:27] grasp, it's going to be violence about how we
[00:23:30] dress, how we raise children, how
[00:23:33] we will manage the budget, well, it's a lot of little things
[00:23:37] in fact when we want to go before justice with that, it
[00:23:40] cannot grasp it, so the idea is to find an
[00:23:44] invisible prison, exactly, it's an invisible prison in which
[00:23:48] the victims obviously don't realize it even more... but the idea is that it's not just the
[00:23:52] bruises that kill and that there is another violence that exists and
[00:23:55] precisely on these issues of gender-based and
[00:23:58] incest, the weight given to the child's word
[00:24:02] or the lack of weight, the time that passes also before the victims understand
[00:24:06] or remember what happened to them, this is the case for example
[00:24:09] of Mie Koiyama, she is the founder of the Brave Movement, she is on
[00:24:13] the microphone of Aurélie, and we listen, when I was
[00:24:16] 5 years old, I was raped, sexually assaulted by a 9-year-old cousin,
[00:24:20] and he had taught me how to ride a bike, I only rode a bike four times at
[00:24:23] the time, and we met at this alley, and
[00:24:27] that's where the first rape happened, these crimes were so violent for the
[00:24:30] brain of the little girl I was that I had 32 years of traumatic
[00:24:33] amnesia, in 2011 I filed a complaint
[00:24:37] for these rapes,
[00:24:39] and the justice system told me that the facts were
[00:24:42] time-barred because the law that applied
[00:24:45] to the crimes I had suffered was 10 years after the facts.
[00:24:50] So I should have filed a complaint at 15, except that I couldn't because I had
[00:24:53] no memory of these rapes. Giolien de Philippi Sabaté, when you hear her, what does this
[00:24:57] testimony inspire in you? Well, I think that it is unfortunately
[00:25:00] representative of what many victims who
[00:25:04] go through the episode of traumatic memory, which can sometimes last
[00:25:08] a lifetime, so I believe that it also raises the
[00:25:11] problem of limitation because if we
[00:25:14] know today medically that victims may not
[00:25:18] remember the assault for decades, and decades and decades, then the law should
[00:25:21] be able to take into account precisely this problem
[00:25:25] by stopping prohibiting filing a complaint after a certain
[00:25:28] delay on the denunciations, the problem is that
[00:25:31] filing a complaint is extremely complicated, we look at recent cases of sexual
[00:25:35] violence, I'm thinking for example of the singer Patrick Bruel who is accused of
[00:25:38] rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment by more than 30 women to date,
[00:25:42] and the actor Gérard Depardieu who is also accused of rape,
[00:25:46] sexual assault, two people who remain, we emphasize again, presumed
[00:25:50] innocent, and yet the complaints have accumulated,
[00:25:53] sometimes dozens of complaints, women who
[00:25:57] are very much in the mud, Cécile de la Rue, you yourself filed a complaint
[00:26:01] against the journalist Patrick Poivre d'Arvor for sexual
[00:26:04] harassment, when you filed a complaint, did you think that
[00:26:07] it had a chance of succeeding or did you know that it was a
[00:26:11] David against Goliath battle? The first
[00:26:14] ones in fact who dared to speak out and file a complaint filed a complaint above all to be able
[00:26:17] to support another complaint which was that of Florence Porcel who had spoken first
[00:26:21] and was not time-barred and we in fact testified to say
[00:26:24] listen, we don't know this woman, but what we know is that what happened to us still
[00:26:28] strangely resembles what this woman says, we didn't necessarily expect justice to
[00:26:32] hear us, but it was also above all for society to hear us and for us to
[00:26:35] understand that it was not just a minor
[00:26:39] incident, but that it was a societal issue and that is why now
[00:26:42] again the victims of Patrick Poivre d'Arvor, like the victims
[00:26:45] of Patrice Bruel for that matter, are campaigning by saying don't violate
[00:26:49] in such a way that we can actually prove that there
[00:26:52] is a series and therefore the statute of limitations should
[00:26:56] be able to be lifted if I may say so, yes, because the notion of
[00:26:59] rolling statute of limitations which allows to link a misdemeanor or
[00:27:03] a crime, a more recent crime that is not
[00:27:06] time-barred, which would allow to recover the other complaints, there you go, and that allows
[00:27:10] a woman like for example Marie Lattre, who is a woman who was
[00:27:13] raped 41 years ago now during the Cannes Film
[00:27:17] Festival, at the time she wanted to file a complaint, her complaint was refused
[00:27:20] as still happens today anyway, but
[00:27:24] that would allow her perhaps
[00:27:26] to have justice and also perhaps to stop the acts because we don't know if this man
[00:27:30] continues, I remind you that Patrick Poivre d'Arvor has been indicted, but he hasn't even been placed in
[00:27:34] police custody, yes, and he remains presumed innocent for now, yes,
[00:27:38] that being said, I want to ask you the question, when you see this comprehensive law that is
[00:27:41] being examined today, do you feel optimistic for the future?
[00:27:45] I would have liked for example that the annual interview that was
[00:27:48] initially requested by the associations be maintained by the special commission,
[00:27:52] there, it has apparently changed from mandatory to optional, I hope that
[00:27:56] can be debated in the assembly, but on that I am
[00:27:59] less optimistic, then budgetary issues were invoked of course, but
[00:28:02] precisely, we had estimated the annual needs at 3 billion more than
[00:28:06] what currently exists, I would still remind that sexual violence costs much
[00:28:10] more in terms of repression of perpetrators,
[00:28:13] incarceration and so on today, so in reality it is certainly a
[00:28:16] significant investment,
[00:28:21] la Rue, optimistic? Well, I am optimistic because, well, just
[00:28:25] you know, I was looking at the victim you had testify who was able to
[00:28:29] testify, and I tell myself, I've been a journalist for 25 years. And I deal with this kind of
[00:28:33] subject, 25 years ago it would not have been possible to tell such
[00:28:36] intimate things in the street, to be filmed and then
[00:28:40] to be broadcast on an international channel, so I am optimistic for that, I am
[00:28:44] also very pessimistic for the rest because well, I'm very afraid that yes, indeed, there won't be a
[00:28:48] budget, that in the end everything will be cut, we are facing a
[00:28:52] system that doesn't believe children, that doesn't believe women, we are in a system
[00:28:55] where women are second-class citizens, well, we hope in any case that
[00:28:59] this comprehensive law will mark a change perhaps in any case for the... Thank you
[00:29:03] to both of you, Cécile de la Rue, Violaine de Philippi Sabaté for coming
[00:29:07] to discuss this issue on the set of Actuel and thank you for
[00:29:10] watching us, we will see you very soon for a new edition.
[00:30:09] Good evening everyone and thank you for being with us on France 24, at the top of this
[00:30:12] news, Pope Leo XIV awaited in Lourdes, he
[00:30:16] will begin with a prayer in the Grotto of the Apparition, that will be in a few
[00:30:19] moments, but before that, this afternoon 700,000 people had
[00:30:23] gathered in the Place de la Concorde in Paris for a giant
[00:30:26] mass, the highlights in a moment, end
[00:30:30] of no receipt Donald Trump rejects the Iranian offer to reopen
[00:30:34] the Strait of Hormuz within 7 days,
[00:30:37] Assembly this week that Tehran made the proposal, but the
[00:30:41] American president believes that the Iranian regime is losing
[00:30:45] the battle, we will come back to this in this news.
[00:30:48] An expulsion that causes a real outcry in Spain,
[00:30:52] hundreds of people are currently demonstrating in Madrid to support Marie
[00:30:56] Carmen, an 87-year-old woman who lived in an apartment.