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[00:00:09] It's 10 PM in Paris, you're watching the essential on France 24, good evening
[00:00:14] That day, immigration everyone, this evening's headlines, Pope Leo XIV's prayer for France at the Grotto of Lourdes, the Sovereign
[00:00:18] Pontiff continues his visit to France, he was earlier in the
[00:00:21] day in Paris to celebrate a grand mass in the Place de la
[00:00:24] Concorde, some 80,000 people had made the trip
[00:00:28] to attend the service. Also in the news is the rejection by the
[00:00:32] United States of the Iranian plan to open the Strait of Hormuz, it had been
[00:00:35] submitted yesterday in Washington for the American president, it is a sign of
[00:00:39] weakness on the part of the Iranian authorities who are, and I quote,
[00:00:42] "losing". Finally, Bangkok under water, after 48
[00:00:46] hours of torrential rain, many roads are flooded,
[00:00:49] 21 provinces of the country are
[00:00:52] affected.
[00:01:08] The day was again very busy for Pope Leo XIV
[00:01:12] currently visiting France. He celebrated a giant mass this
[00:01:16] threats according to the head of afternoon in the Place de la Concorde in Paris in the presence of hundreds of
[00:01:19] thousands of people. He then
[00:01:22] Rabiato is dragged by immigration flew to Lourdes, one of the most famous pilgrimage sites in the world. New
[00:01:25] stroll in the Popemobile in the Pyrenean city, the Pope.
[00:01:30] then led a prayer at the Massabielle Grotto, where
[00:01:34] the Virgin Mary is said to have appeared to a young shepherdess in
[00:01:36] 1858. He is now expected tomorrow
[00:01:40] Sunday on a sensitive subject, sexual
[00:01:43] violence committed by members of the clergy. A closed-door
[00:01:47] meeting is planned with seven victims, a format
[00:01:50] criticized by several associations
[00:01:52] and Tanadjie.
[00:01:55] The mosaics adorning the facade of the Rosary Basilica in
[00:01:59] Lourdes. Hidden for the visit of Pope Leo
[00:02:02] XIV, they are the work of the artist and Jesuit
[00:02:05] priest Marco Rupnik, accused
[00:02:08] of sexual assault and psychological manipulation by several of his
[00:02:12] former collaborators, including nuns. The
[00:02:15] Vatican exerted no pressure to conceal them, according to the Bishop
[00:02:19] of Tarbes and Lourdes, who cites a symbolic decision
[00:02:22] out of respect for the pilgrims.
[00:02:26] This is important because the accounts of my clients revealed that... she
[00:02:30] herself suffered abuse at the time when the artwork itself was being
[00:02:34] created.
[00:02:37] During his visit to Lourdes scheduled on Sunday, the Sovereign Pontiff will
[00:02:40] meet seven victims of sexual abuse within the French clergy. More than words and
[00:02:44] We finally met the hotel condemnation, many
[00:02:47] victims are now waiting for actions from Pope Leo XIV
[00:02:52] system highly favored by who recently described sexual abuse committed in the church as an open wound. And we
[00:02:56] obviously hope that this meeting.
[00:03:00] will be strong and not only in terms
[00:03:03] of emotion but in terms of taking a
[00:03:06] danger to the ICE stand and that he will display absolute
[00:03:10] shame with regard to all those priests who committed the
[00:03:13] unspeakable. In 2021, a report
[00:03:17] from an independent commission estimated at
[00:03:19] 33,000, the
[00:03:21] Formerly called the Venice of number of children who suffered sexual violence within the Catholic Church in
[00:03:24] France, abuses that are seven decades old. The
[00:03:28] restorative bodies. created by the episcopate after the publication of this
[00:03:32] report, as well as victim collectives, already speak of a
[00:03:36] missed opportunity, they would have preferred a day-long collective exchange
[00:03:39] time. Catholic authorities have put in place protection
[00:03:43] measures and financial reparations, but victims
[00:03:47] continue to demand accountability and more
[00:03:50] prevention.
[00:03:54] and we are with Véronique Lecaros, good evening, you are
[00:03:57] a theologian and professor at the Catholic University of LIM. You wrote
[00:04:01] a biography, you co-wrote a biography on Leo XIV, portrait
[00:04:05] say, France is the eldest daughter of of a Peruvian pope published by Fayard. Leo XIV is a
[00:04:10] country at the heart of pope you yourself knew when he served in Peru as Monsignor Robert
[00:04:13] Prevaud, you both worked there on the issue of sexual abuse committed within
[00:04:17] the church, we just saw that Leo XIV's choice to grant an audience to only
[00:04:21] seven victims tomorrow in Lourdes was criticized, how do
[00:04:25] you explain his approach, how should
[00:04:27] we interpret it?
[00:04:30] and the pope, it must be said that Pope Leo XV, when he
[00:04:34] was in Lima, was in charge of sexual
[00:04:36] abuse, and he was very active in this
[00:04:40] area in Peru, so we need to put things
[00:04:44] in perspective, he is a canon lawyer and he organized
[00:04:48] conferences
[00:04:51] and he received, received the
[00:04:54] victims as well, at a time when there
[00:04:57] was nothing built in Peru or
[00:05:01] very little in any case from 2019,
[00:05:05] so I think that he is a person very
[00:05:08] sensitive to this
[00:05:10] continue with the rest of subject and and who and who... follows
[00:05:13] well, how to say, who follows the norms, who follows the
[00:05:16] realities by opening up to people,
[00:05:20] except that the expectations of victims are enormous in France
[00:05:24] in particular, do you think he does enough, why is it so
[00:05:28] difficult for the church to give time to these victims
[00:05:32] to listen to all of them and then above all to acknowledge its wrongs, to
[00:05:35] ask for forgiveness for all these broken
[00:05:37] lives?
[00:05:40] Listen, I myself... worked on the, well I
[00:05:44] was president of the listening commission at
[00:05:47] the Archdiocese of Lima and there
[00:05:51] is a distance between what the victims
[00:05:55] expect, their time, they are uh and
[00:05:58] it's and it's understandable, it's a trauma what happened,
[00:06:02] a terrible trauma because it affects
[00:06:05] not only the body, the
[00:06:09] psyche but also the spiritual how...
[00:06:12] uh uh it's in the name of God that these
[00:06:16] abuses occurred, you see, so
[00:06:20] it's it's very difficult it's it's the soul that is
[00:06:24] touched and uh
[00:06:27] so the church facing that there has been a whole
[00:06:31] journey made, it must be acknowledged,
[00:06:33] but there is time for the church, there is an
[00:06:37] administrative overload
[00:06:39] uh we must also think about all these
[00:06:43] data and uh in
[00:06:46] Lima for example the archbishopric, the tribunal
[00:06:50] of the archbishopric until there were
[00:06:53] complaints for abuse, it only dealt with marriage
[00:06:57] annulments, so there was no one who could
[00:07:01] take charge of the subject who was trained in the
[00:07:05] subject, so there is a whole structure being put in
[00:07:08] place, there is a conscience being created.
[00:07:12] and obviously it's never enough because the soul is
[00:07:16] affected and we
[00:07:20] must not expect announcements from Pope Leo XIV on this subject tomorrow after
[00:07:23] his audience with the
[00:07:25] victims?
[00:07:29] I think he is someone who uh, how to
[00:07:32] say, who launched the subject in Peru, so he is
[00:07:35] someone who, and who in certain cases in
[00:07:39] Peru, he was very active, uh for
[00:07:42] example in the case of Sodalitium, it may not be very well known in France, but
[00:07:46] it was a very big case of a
[00:07:49] group uh very which had several hundred
[00:07:53] members, he was very active in solving the
[00:07:56] problem, this group was suppressed and and Pope
[00:08:00] Leo XIV at the time so Monsignor Prevost and
[00:08:04] and when he was cardinal played a very active role
[00:08:07] so he is someone who is active, we
[00:08:11] can uh we have seen it in all his
[00:08:14] actions so far uh do
[00:08:17] you follow, we imagine, the visit of Leo XIV in France
[00:08:20] from Peru where you are, your opinion on
[00:08:24] this trip which is generating a lot of enthusiasm among the French, was it to
[00:08:28] be expected?
[00:08:32] Uh, I think so, I think so and I
[00:08:35] must also tell you that the Pope is expected in Peru in
[00:08:39] November and that for the Peruvians the Pope is a
[00:08:43] Peruvian, well they know he is also North American,
[00:08:47] American, but for them he is Peruvian, period,
[00:08:51] so everywhere here we say welcome home,
[00:08:54] you see, so in Peru, we are focused on the
[00:08:58] fact that the Pope will come, who will return to his
[00:09:02] diocese of Chiclayo, and and who will
[00:09:05] obviously pass through Lima, the capital, who
[00:09:07] will go to the Amazon, who will go to the
[00:09:11] Andes in Cusco. So going to
[00:09:14] France, I think how to
[00:09:18] the Church, we must not forget it, it is a
[00:09:22] Europe and and I think that this visit to
[00:09:26] Notre-Dame is very important, because
[00:09:29] Notre-Dame is not just a symbol
[00:09:32] of Catholicism, but it is the entire
[00:09:35] history of France that is
[00:09:38] at Notre-Dame, there were extraordinary words.
[00:09:42] on uh uh on hope, on
[00:09:46] on welcome, on diversity, on a
[00:09:49] diverse Catholicism on multiculturalism, there were
[00:09:53] very strong
[00:09:56] words of encouragement
[00:10:00] and and hope, right, we live in a world
[00:10:04] between artificial intelligence and wars
[00:10:07] that are not always joyful, thank you, thank you very much
[00:10:11] for your insight on this visit of the Pope and
[00:10:14] on this sensitive issue of sexual abuse committed within
[00:10:18] the church, thank you Véronique Lecaros, we
[00:10:23] the news, it's not the... Donald Trump's response is unequivocal, the
[00:10:26] American president categorically rejects the Iranian proposal
[00:10:30] to reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 7 days, according to Donald
[00:10:34] Trump, Iranian leaders are on their last legs, they want this deal because they
[00:10:37] are losing. Axel
[00:10:39] Simon: Have you talked about the war with
[00:10:42] Iran? Yes, will there be progress regarding the Strait of Hormuz? I
[00:10:46] think we'll make excellent progress.
[00:10:49] Announced progress, but it will have to wait. Donald
[00:10:53] Trump refused Friday. an Iranian proposal to reopen
[00:10:57] the Strait of Hormuz within 7 days, currently locked down. The
[00:11:01] proposal formulated by Tehran through Qatari mediators
[00:11:04] foresaw the reopening of this strategic
[00:11:07] maritime route and the suspension of fighting in the region, including in
[00:11:11] Lebanon. In return, broader negotiations would have been
[00:11:14] initiated, the United States would have lifted the blockade of Iranian
[00:11:17] ports, unfrozen funds and renounced oil
[00:11:21] sanctions targeting Iran. Inadmissible for Donald Trump. Trump,
[00:11:25] the American president believes, according to the Wall Street Journal, that the Islamic
[00:11:29] Republic will not keep its commitments. The American
[00:11:32] president who would not rule out a resumption of strikes in Iran after the
[00:11:35] mid-term legislative elections on November 3. Unacceptable
[00:11:41] Iranian diplomacy.
[00:11:43] Iran accepts neither coercion, nor threats, nor intimidation and
[00:11:47] will not renounce its sovereign rights under pressure. Sovereignty is not
[00:11:51] conditional.
[00:11:55] does not mean surrender and peace cannot be built on
[00:11:59] threats of annihilation.
[00:12:02] The deadlock therefore continues on both sides and Donald Trump even
[00:12:06] added fuel to the fire with this map published on his social
[00:12:10] network which proposes to rename the Strait of Hormuz the
[00:12:13] Trump Strait. The memorandum of understanding signed in June between
[00:12:17] Tehran and Washington however foresaw an end to the war,
[00:12:21] reopening this strategic maritime passage and holding talks
[00:12:24] on... the ultra-sensitive aspect of the Iranian nuclear program, but
[00:12:28] no notable progress has been made since its
[00:12:31] signing.
[00:12:34] In Thailand, a state of natural disaster has been declared in
[00:12:37] Bangkok, the capital is under water due to torrential rains, which have caused
[00:12:41] significant flooding. Axel Simon.
[00:12:43] Submerged roads and residents
[00:12:46] forced to move in more than twenty centimeters
[00:12:50] of water. As the canals of Bangkok overflow and water
[00:12:53] infiltrates buildings. Life continues no matter what in the streets of the
[00:12:57] Thai capital under the torrential
[00:12:59] rains.
[00:13:02] I'm in shock, honestly this situation is quite
[00:13:05] frightening. Saturday evening, the situation was
[00:13:08] considered stabilized, even if the roads are still flooded,
[00:13:12] the damage is already considerable, according to the
[00:13:15] authorities of Bangkok, the most affected part is the east of the
[00:13:18] city, they have opened several temporary shelters in schools
[00:13:22] and prepared 1 million sandbags for the
[00:13:46] the Orient, Bangkok is built on ancient marshes and is organized around
[00:13:50] a vast network of canals. The Thai capital regularly experiences
[00:13:54] flooding. particularly in September during
[00:13:58] the monsoon season.
[00:14:01] It's been 10 or 15 years since we've seen such rain and this level of flooding
[00:14:05] here.
[00:14:08] In 2011, significant floods throughout Thailand
[00:14:11] killed more than 500 people and damaged millions of
[00:14:14] homes.
[00:14:18] It's now time for your new issue of Reporter Plus, our
[00:14:21] journalist Karina Chabour has investigated a little-known aspect of American
[00:14:25] immigration policy, the expulsion of people to
[00:14:28] third countries in Africa, far from the United States and sometimes even
[00:14:32] far from their country of origin. Watch.
[00:15:15] Hello, hi mom, hi, mo, how are you?
[00:15:18] I'm fine, I'm here with grandma. Oh, hi, grandma, hi, how
[00:15:22] are you? How are you doing, mom? how was how would you rest
[00:15:26] fine? how is grandma? okay, yeah, she
[00:15:30] doing okay, i love you grandma, love you
[00:15:33] mom, and i miss you so much, you don't.
[00:15:37] how much, I miss you. Okay,
[00:15:40] Mohammed, yes mom, you're the best thing that happened
[00:15:44] to me, you all I have and I leave for
[00:15:46] you. You have to make me strong, I know it's not
[00:15:50] easy. Yeah, bye
[00:15:53] baby,
[00:15:59] f,
[00:16:03] oh, I always feel sad, it makes me
[00:16:06] sad. That's why I avoid video calls, but
[00:16:10] sometimes I really want to see them, most of the
[00:16:13] time, I prefer to just talk
[00:16:15] to them,
[00:16:18] video calls are really too
[00:16:20] hard,
[00:16:26] Rabiato is from Sierra Leone, but almost
[00:16:29] all her life she spent in the United States before being expelled,
[00:16:33] expulsé,
[00:16:35] she now lives in an African country.
[00:17:12] In Donald Trump's America, the hunt for undocumented immigrants
[00:17:15] is in full swing, the President's stated
[00:17:18] goal, 1 million expulsions per
[00:17:20] year, and when returning to the country of origin is
[00:17:24] impossible,
[00:17:27] Washington seeks new host countries, third
[00:17:31] countries.
[00:17:44] Very dependent on American humanitarian aid, Africa is under
[00:17:47] pressure, it is today one of the main host countries
[00:17:51] for undocumented immigrants expelled by the United States, what
[00:17:54] benefit for Ghana, who will be expelled, and are there
[00:17:58] new obligations imposed on Ghana? We know
[00:18:02] absolutely nothing. ICE is very
[00:18:05] opaque.
[00:18:31] We traced the journey of people expelled to Africa and often
[00:18:35] sent back to the countries they had.
[00:18:39] Donald Trump says that America first, but it must be within the rules.
[00:19:02] When I look at this house, I think back to all that my mother and I have
[00:19:05] accomplished. It still matters to
[00:19:08] me, and it is undoubtedly one of our greatest
[00:19:11] prides.
[00:19:16] In this residential area, near Washington, Mohamed
[00:19:19] Algali and his mother Rabiatou, lived a peaceful
[00:19:23] life.
[00:19:27] This is my mother's professional
[00:19:28] badge.
[00:19:35] When I see it, I think of her. She was so proud to be
[00:19:38] a nurse,
[00:19:43] for 25 years, Rabiatou
[00:19:45] Kuyate worked as a nurse in the United States,
[00:19:49] she received the presidential award because she
[00:19:52] was top of her class, that was in 2001, I was 8
[00:19:55] years old,
[00:19:59] Rabiatou fled the civil war in Sierra Leone in the
[00:20:02] 90s.
[00:20:07] She escaped torture in her country of origin, she raised
[00:20:11] me, found a good job and gave me an
[00:20:14] education. In a way, she achieved her American
[00:20:18] dream.
[00:20:21] Throughout these years, Rabiatou only had
[00:20:24] a work permit. She was never able to be
[00:20:27] regularized.
[00:20:30] Once a year, the mother would go to the immigration department
[00:20:33] for a control visit, usually short.
[00:20:38] But in July 2025, with Donald Trump's return to power,
[00:20:42] nothing went as
[00:20:43] planned.
[00:20:48] Suddenly they called her into a...
[00:21:21] Shortly after, Rabiato is transferred to this ICE center,
[00:21:25] the immigration police in Louisiana. She will spend 5
[00:21:28] months there.
[00:21:32] During her detention, an American court ruled that her
[00:21:35] security was threatened in Sierra Leone and
[00:21:38] ordered a suspension
[00:21:40] of deportation.
[00:21:43] It's the judge who granted it to me. He signed
[00:21:46] here.
[00:21:50] this judicial protection, Rabiatou finally believes
[00:21:53] she is free.
[00:21:57] However, 2 months
[00:21:59] later,
[00:22:02] they made me get into a van, I asked them where are we going? They told me to the
[00:22:06] airport, I told myself that I should contact my family so they could come
[00:22:09] pick me up, but when I was about to get out, I saw that they were going to
[00:22:13] handcuff me, to my wrists and ankles, I told them:
[00:22:16] "Why are you doing this?" And that's when they told me they were sending
[00:22:20] me to Ghana.
[00:22:25] Like Rabiato, on this November 6, 2025,
[00:22:29] 18 other people of African origin are taken to
[00:22:31] the airport, destination Ghana,
[00:22:34] a country they know nothing
[00:22:36] about. We found three of
[00:22:40] them, we will call them Ousman,
[00:22:43] Malik and
[00:22:44] Issatou.
[00:22:48] I hid you. Isatou fled a forced
[00:22:51] marriage. Malik says he was persecuted in a Koranic
[00:22:55] school. Ousmane was campaigning for LGBT
[00:22:58] rights in an African country where homosexuality is
[00:23:02] forbidden. The three also benefited from judicial
[00:23:05] protection, prohibiting their expulsion to their
[00:23:09] country of origin. I was just waiting for my release,
[00:23:12] now. I had my papers, I said I have protection, where will I go?
[00:23:16] And no one answered. That's how they handcuffed me, put me in the
[00:23:20] car, sent me to the airport, I didn't
[00:23:23] want to leave, an agent came and told me if you refuse, we'll
[00:23:27] tie you up, there was even one who refused, they tied
[00:23:31] his whole body, like in a bag, they have a bag where they can
[00:23:34] tie a person.
[00:23:38] This bag is the "wrap", a full body restraint
[00:23:42] ICE.
[00:23:45] Ousmane is the passenger who refused to board, he
[00:23:49] explains having been tied up in the wrap even though he was already
[00:23:53] handcuffed and posed no
[00:23:56] agents.
[00:24:00] I started to resist,
[00:24:02] they then hit me, covering my face so I couldn't
[00:24:06] retaliate, it was
[00:24:08] crazy.
[00:24:12] The manufacturer sells a straitjacket perfectly adapted for long plane
[00:24:16] journeys. People are. their hands
[00:24:20] in front, they can sit like this, it's a bit like I
[00:24:24] join my hands and listen to someone or watch television, but
[00:24:26] Ouzman is convinced, he mainly
[00:24:30] served as an example,
[00:24:33] he did that on purpose in front of all the other detainees, just to scare
[00:24:36] them.
[00:24:41] The 19 expelled then board the plane without
[00:24:44] protesting, their phones are
[00:24:47] confiscated, they will remain handcuffed.
[00:25:50] I don't know any more because I was absent, I don't know, but I can ask my
[00:25:53] manager if you like, he was there for a
[00:25:55] moment.
[00:25:59] spent 2 days there, the immigration
[00:26:02] officers came back to take the
[00:26:05] woman.
[00:26:10] It was the first person they wanted to deport to her
[00:26:12] country.
[00:26:16] officers decided to expel Rabiatour to
[00:26:18] Sierra Leone. That's when I tried to
[00:26:22] fight back.
[00:26:29] The scene is discreetly filmed by the others.
[00:26:36] That's me in white sitting there.
[00:26:49] At that moment, I was looking for her inhaler.
[00:27:02] on Rabiatou's defense in Ghana,
[00:27:06] she clung to my leg so as not to be taken away.
[00:27:22] Despite her resistance,
[00:27:25] officers, then sent to the
[00:27:28] airport, direction.
[00:28:03] This arm still hurts, I have to take
[00:28:05] painkillers.
[00:28:13] It comes and goes,
[00:28:16] some days it's swollen when I
[00:28:18] wake up.
[00:28:23] And behind my head, I had a
[00:28:27] hematoma here.
[00:28:28] ici.
[00:28:33] Without work or papers, she has
[00:28:36] no medical
[00:28:37] follow-up.
[00:28:47] managers, he told us that the accommodation for the
[00:28:50] expelled was covered by the country's authorities
[00:28:53] and that Rabiato was the victim
[00:28:57] of an agreement between the United States and
[00:28:59] Ghana.
[00:29:03] Immigration services explained: We have reached an
[00:29:07] agreement with the US embassy, or rather with the US government,
[00:29:10] we welcome you, then we send you back to your country
[00:29:13] of origin.
[00:29:16] The Ministry of Interior did not respond to our interview
[00:29:18] requests.
[00:29:23] It was never made
[00:29:24] public.
[00:29:30] Besides Rabiatou, he defends 32 expelled.
[00:29:34] Here is the file submitted to the Supreme
[00:29:36] Court.
[00:29:40] For 1 year, the lawyer has been filing numerous appeals and has
[00:29:43] obtained highly restricted access to the agreement. He can
[00:29:47] consult it without making a
[00:29:49] copy. According to Oliver, the agreement does not
[00:29:53] specify the number of expelled people that Ghana will have to host, nor the
[00:29:57] compensation it will receive. The
[00:30:00] text is reduced to vague promises.
[00:30:04] This is a communication from the Ghanaian government to the United
[00:30:07] States embassy, in which it indicates its willingness to host expelled persons.