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[00:00:07] This is Paris direct for you, we are together until
[00:00:09] Europe, both EU member states and NATO 2 PM, welcome. Activities at
[00:00:11] Riyadh International Airport remain suspended after the deadly
[00:00:15] attacks in recent days. The kingdom faces a large-scale
[00:00:19] offensive from the Houthis of Yemen. They have also
[00:00:22] warned travelers not to
[00:00:25] the deterritorialization of the use Saudi airports.
[00:00:26] saoudiens.
[00:00:30] Trump calls for a presidential election in Ukraine because, according to the American president, his
[00:00:33] counterpart is the sole obstacle to a settlement
[00:00:36] of the conflict. He also criticized Ukrainian strikes on Russian
[00:00:40] refineries. And then, mobilization continues in France
[00:00:44] against the deregulation of pesticides at the European level.
[00:00:48] What the European Commission plans would be a dangerous step backward for
[00:00:52] redistributed. That's what somehow health and the environment. Hundreds of scientists and
[00:00:54] doctors have joined their voices with those of
[00:00:57] citizens.
[00:01:09] computing power of
[00:01:11] The threat level facing Saudi Arabia has changed after yesterday's attack against
[00:01:15] Riyadh International Airport. 12 people were killed, several
[00:01:19] hundred were injured. The UN Secretary-General said he was
[00:01:22] deeply shocked. Several embassies recommended their
[00:01:27] arouses the anger of environmental defenders personnel avoid the airport for a week. Schools were also...
[00:01:30] closed for a week, classes are being held remotely. This
[00:01:34] type of measure in the kingdom
[00:01:42] line of ambulances and disoriented passengers. These
[00:01:46] are the rare images currently arriving from Saudi Arabia after the
[00:01:50] deadly strike that targeted the capital's airport on Saturday around
[00:01:53] 3 PM. Witnesses describe scenes of chaos with hundreds
[00:01:57] of injured and dozens of ambulances called urgently.
[00:02:01] The General Authority of Civil Aviation indicated that the attack caused several
[00:02:04] injuries whose condition is being evaluated. It specified that
[00:02:07] airport operations were temporarily suspended pending a
[00:02:11] full assessment of the damage and verification of the safety of the
[00:02:15] facilities in coordination with the competent authorities. All
[00:02:18] flights to Riyadh were diverted or canceled. Later
[00:02:22] in the evening, authorities reported the fall of a projectile near
[00:02:26] another airport, that of
[00:02:28] institutions will lose control of Dammam in the east of the kingdom. These attacks, which have not been
[00:02:32] claimed, are attributed to Houthi rebels from Yemen who
[00:02:35] oppose Yemeni government forces supported by Saudi
[00:02:39] Arabia and who launched a lightning offensive in September,
[00:02:43] AI are opposed. strengthening their grip on the strategic strait of Bab-el-Mandeb. In recent
[00:02:46] days, the scale and frequency of attacks targeting Riyadh have
[00:02:49] increased. The city's airport has already been targeted twice this
[00:02:53] week. Several people have been killed and injured. To counter the
[00:02:57] Houthis, the Saudi kingdom has been seeking for weeks to obtain
[00:03:00] military aid from its American ally, without success. Donald Trump remained
[00:03:04] vague on the subject on Saturday in front of journalists.
[00:03:08] Have you decided to join the Saudi strikes? It's possible. We'll
[00:03:11] see. In what timeframe? We just learned of the attack. We're
[00:03:15] going to make a decision and act very quickly.
[00:03:18] These strikes on Riyadh occur shortly before a major annual
[00:03:22] the part of a certain number of captains investment conference is held in the over-regulate these American artificial kingdom in October, attracting
[00:03:26] visitors from all over the world.
[00:03:30] We have just learned that a shipwreck has just
[00:03:33] powerful, from using occurred off Djibouti, at
[00:03:36] least 109 migrants are dead, and more than
[00:03:39] 116 people are missing. The UN
[00:03:43] just sent us this information.
[00:03:46] We will get back to you as soon as we know more.
[00:03:49] After the actions, the words. Donald Trump no longer supports
[00:03:52] Volodymyr Zelensky and aligns himself with the Russian position. There must be a presidential
[00:03:56] election in Ukraine, I quote the American president: It is time for Ukraine
[00:04:00] to have a new president. Yesterday he announced an agreement providing
[00:04:04] for a significant purchase of
[00:04:06] to speak, between the powers of Russian
[00:04:09] diesel. After Donald Trump's comments about his
[00:04:14] us. So facing the excesses of Ukrainian counterpart, reactions of support for Volodymyr Zelensky were not
[00:04:16] long in coming. British Prime Minister Andy Burnham,
[00:04:20] Ukraine's main supporter, expressed his full solidarity
[00:04:23] to him. A call for a change of Ukrainian president
[00:04:26] also very badly received in Ukraine, notably by the opposition
[00:04:30] party, which is pro-European. As the leader of an
[00:04:36] humanity and in the history of guests at the European Parliament, questions of opposition party, I have only one answer to that. We act in accordance with the Ukrainian
[00:04:39] constitution, and this decision belongs to no other
[00:04:42] leader. Only the Ukrainian people decide who they will elect and
[00:04:46] when. Volodymyr Zelensky can also be assured of
[00:04:50] the support of the European Union, which continues to stand united behind him.
[00:04:54] The 27 have also severely criticized the controversial agreement on
[00:04:57] Russian diesel between the United States and Russia. A delivery of
[00:05:01] 300,000 tons of diesel as early as October to American
[00:05:04] the European Parliament for a debate territory and the world
[00:05:05] early warning, artificial market. For the head of European no, but when we talk about diplomacy,
[00:05:09] Kayalas, this agreement provides Moscow with more revenue to... fund
[00:05:12] the war. Russian strikes have killed more than 80 Ukrainian civilians in 2
[00:05:16] days. In addition, she has intensified her attacks that stifle
[00:05:21] allies. There is no question of easing pressure on
[00:05:25] Russia at this time, and Europe will not do so. The European
[00:05:28] Union promises to strengthen its sanctions against Moscow.
[00:05:32] On Monday, it will add 1600 names to the blacklist of
[00:05:35] individuals and entities targeted by these
[00:05:37] measures.
[00:05:40] There is great anger in India after the repression of an... arrest organized by the
[00:05:43] Cockroach movement, its leader was finally released after
[00:05:47] 24 hours. He had been arrested as soon as he got off
[00:05:50] the plane yesterday. There were arrests, and a
[00:05:53] large security deployment was put in place to prevent protesters from gathering in New
[00:05:57] Delhi. I remind you that they were demanding the resignation of the chairman of the
[00:06:01] electoral commission, accused of having removed tens of millions
[00:06:04] of names from the electoral
[00:06:08] lists. The roadblocks are still in place
[00:06:11] today.
[00:06:17] France this weekend to oppose the European Commission's project
[00:06:20] to simplify the marketing of pesticides.
[00:06:23] NGOs, but also scientists and doctors, are concerned about seeing harmful
[00:06:27] substances authorized indefinitely.
[00:06:30] Lisbroga.
[00:06:39] and the growing concern of doctors. Its
[00:06:42] name is Omnibus 10. With this text, the European
[00:06:46] Commission proposes to authorize indefinitely a series of pesticides,
[00:06:49] with the exception of the most dangerous. The objective:
[00:06:53] to simplify the lives of businesses, but anti-pesticide NGOs
[00:06:56] denounce a significant setback. At a time
[00:06:59] when scientific evidence raises growing concerns about
[00:07:03] pesticides, member states should not support opening up new
[00:07:07] possibilities for maintaining the use of dangerous
[00:07:10] substances. Currently. Chemical substances
[00:07:13] authorized by the EU must be re-evaluated every 10 years, then every
[00:07:17] 15 years. Periodic authorizations have allowed since
[00:07:20] 2011 the prohibition of around thirty harmful substances
[00:07:24] such as mancozeb or chlorpyrifos, responsible
[00:07:28] for neurodevelopmental disorders. Faced with
[00:07:30] health risks, doctors and scientists have issued multiple
[00:07:33] warnings in recent months. In mid-September, over 500
[00:07:37] scientists signed a letter calling for a pause in the legislative
[00:07:40] process of Omnibus 10, to allow time to conduct a real
[00:07:44] impact study. But the text is now in the hands of the European
[00:07:47] Parliament. Its two Italian rapporteurs propose provisions
[00:07:51] that go even further in deregulation than the European
[00:07:54] Commission.
[00:07:57] What was the impact of the heatwave on the ecosystem of our forests in
[00:08:00] France? To answer this question, let's go to the Bouches-du-Rhône where a forest has served
[00:08:14] other, Aleppo pines, green oaks, but above the
[00:08:18] peaks, towers covered with sensors betray its
[00:08:21] particularity. It is one of the five experimental forests
[00:08:25] in France. For almost 20 years, the water it consumes
[00:08:28] or the carbon it absorbs has been continuously
[00:08:32] measured. So what we observe is that, for example, during intense drought or
[00:08:36] heatwave, the forest tends to be a source of carbon rather than a carbon
[00:08:39] sink. In other words, when it's too hot, the forest no longer stores
[00:08:43] greenhouse gases, it releases them. These data, the
[00:08:46] researchers share them today with those who manage the forest daily,
[00:08:50] and how we can perhaps adapt
[00:08:53] our advice, adapt our forest management
[00:08:56] in order to have sustainable,
[00:09:00] perennial forests. In France, the
[00:09:04] forest covers nearly a third of the territory. How do we know
[00:09:07] if each tree is healthy? To ensure this,
[00:09:11] INRA now relies on modern technologies.
[00:09:15] Each year, the forest gains 90 hectares in
[00:09:17] France. It is growing, but it is sick.
[00:09:21] In 10 years, tree mortality has more than
[00:09:24] doubled.
[00:09:26] That was the main news. We are together until 2 PM. You are watching Paris direct.
[00:09:43] And you'll find Caroline de Camaret, her
[00:09:47] artificial intelligence, the way Europe can maintain
[00:09:50] control.
[00:09:54] France 24, LCP, Public Sénat present.
[00:10:12] Thank you for joining me in Brussels, at
[00:10:17] made 100% by human intelligence. While artificial intelligence is developing
[00:10:21] and promises to revolutionize our daily lives, generating
[00:10:24] opportunities, but also concerns, especially when we
[00:10:26] listen to the statements of the sector's giants, American giants.
[00:10:30] This summer, the head of security for the Anthropique
[00:10:33] group estimated that there was a 10% chance that this
[00:10:37] technology would destroy humanity in the coming
[00:10:40] decade. AIs escaping from their
[00:10:44] manufacturers to colonize sites. And then the Australian government was also
[00:10:47] hacked. The dangers seem manifold. So
[00:10:51] the European Union took the lead 2 years ago by adopting
[00:10:55] the European regulation on artificial intelligence, a text that
[00:10:58] prohibits, for example, manipulating users, taking
[00:11:02] advantage of the vulnerability of young people and people with
[00:11:06] disabilities. It provides for fines for companies breaking the law,
[00:11:10] up to 7% of their turnover. But the question of European
[00:11:13] sovereignty in the face of AI arises, as the gap has widened with
[00:11:17] other global players. Americans dominate, for example, by the number
[00:11:21] of models placed on the market, 61, three times more than the European Union. The
[00:11:25] size of investments in AI, 600 billion dollars this year, five times
[00:11:29] more than Europe, and even the
[00:11:34] AI. Has Europe already lost the
[00:11:37] race? And to debate this control of artificial intelligence,
[00:11:40] two MEPs are on this panel, David Cormand, hello, hello, you are
[00:11:44] a French MEP, member of the Greens group, and facing you, Ivan
[00:11:48] Verhoofstat, hello, hello, you are a Belgian MEP, member of the centrist
[00:11:51] Renew Europe group in the European Parliament, and in Belgium, I
[00:11:54] specify, you chair the centrist party "Les Engagés", which is in the
[00:11:57] government coalition notably led by the Flemish nationalist Bart
[00:12:01] De Wever. So before giving you the floor, we're going to listen to the head of the
[00:12:05] American group Open and his not very reassuring remarks, it was
[00:12:09] before the United Nations
[00:12:10] at the end.
[00:12:16] As artificial intelligence systems become more powerful and
[00:12:19] more autonomous, they could evolve faster than our
[00:12:22] institutions, concentrating power in too few
[00:12:26] hands, or making decisions that people no longer understand or control.
[00:12:29] As the development of AI becomes automated,
[00:12:33] the progress of artificial intelligence could
[00:12:37] accelerate rapidly. This
[00:12:40] moment requires extreme
[00:12:41] attention.
[00:12:45] So when you hear the boss of OpenAI, do you fear that our states, our
[00:12:49] European democracies in particular, our
[00:12:53] AI? I think there are several things that need to be very
[00:12:57] clear. The first is that the problem is not AI itself, it's how we
[00:13:01] use it. And the second, and I want to be clear about this right away, we
[00:13:05] often hear that regulation and the development of
[00:13:08] Some say, "Yes, Europe regulates, and as a result, we are unable
[00:13:11] to compete properly with the Americans, and that's why we're losing." Europe is the champion of
[00:13:15] regulation. Let's be clear, the first European regulations were
[00:13:18] implemented very partially this summer. We didn't
[00:13:21] wait until this summer to be behind the Americans. So those who tell
[00:13:25] us today that it's because we regulate, that we want to keep
[00:13:28] power, that we want to structure a new capacity,
[00:13:32] and that, like any capacity, it must be
[00:13:35] framed, that makes no sense. So to oppose those who say
[00:13:38] that we must regulate a new power, and AI is a new
[00:13:42] power, and that it would be to oppose it and its very
[00:13:45] development, that makes no sense. We can be for AI, and I think AI has potential, and
[00:13:48] Europe must certainly not fall behind, and we will come back to that. But that does not prevent
[00:13:52] us at all, as always when something is
[00:13:58] it and keeping control because we are the master and
[00:14:01] the slave or the tool is AI. David Cormand, do you believe in
[00:14:05] the coming years in a scenario reminiscent of science fiction films, with artificial
[00:14:09] intelligence enslaving humans, even eliminating
[00:14:12] them? Not at all.
[00:14:16] Not at all. I think there is a real existential risk for our
[00:14:19] civilization, for democracy, for the public
[00:14:23] interest linked to the power of these big tech
[00:14:26] companies, which notably exercise their power through AI
[00:14:30] tools. But I don't believe in a Terminator scenario at all. I
[00:14:34] even think that this smacks of a kind of staging and
[00:14:38] diversion, in reality to distract
[00:14:41] our attention from the real problem and from what these
[00:14:45] firms are doing. You asked about whether we will maintain control. What
[00:14:49] I want to say with some force is that the economic
[00:14:52] model of these mega-firms,
[00:14:55] you mentioned the amounts of capitalization, which are unparalleled
[00:14:58] in the history of
[00:15:01] capitalism. In fact, when you have companies capitalized at
[00:15:05] 100, 2000, 3000 billion dollars,
[00:15:09] you have to understand that their viable economic model
[00:15:13] necessarily relies
[00:15:16] on the appropriation of rights and the questioning of the public interest, for
[00:15:20] example, consumer protection, for example, the
[00:15:23] protection of our data. That's what I want to tell you, that's the real
[00:15:27] risk. The economic model of these firms -
[00:15:30] we talk about Americans, but we could also talk about the Chinese -
[00:15:33] is to impose a rent-seeking economic model
[00:15:37] over which these firms would have total control. That is their
[00:15:41] economic project. And in this matter, I'm talking about the
[00:15:45] mega-firms, Chat GPT and company, that's who we're talking
[00:15:48] about. They aim to do that. And so yes, there
[00:15:52] is a democratic requirement to regulate
[00:15:55] this. And there I completely agree with you on the fact of
[00:15:58] saying that in fact we sometimes confuse
[00:16:01] innovation and progress, okay? Innovation
[00:16:04] is something new that we invent.
[00:16:08] Progress is something else. Progress must be compatible with the public
[00:16:11] interest. Who decides on an innovation? Scientists,
[00:16:14] researchers, engineers. Who decides that it is progress in a
[00:16:18] democracy? The democratic debate. And that's what we
[00:16:21] need to talk about: progress. Progress is the sum of the
[00:16:25] prosperity created and the governance that allows it to be
[00:16:30] frames it. That's what progress is. And there, I totally agree with what has just been
[00:16:33] said. AI is a tool that must allow us to increase our
[00:16:37] capacity, our productivity, but if it is not framed, if it is not put at
[00:16:41] the service of well-being, AI alone will not take care of it. And I'm just wondering,
[00:16:45] isn't there, on the part of these American giants who constantly warn
[00:16:49] us, a desire to enhance the power of their AI models
[00:16:52] on financial markets and to discourage industry? Uh, I think there are
[00:16:56] several elements. The first element is that I think they are partly disclaiming responsibility. I mean,
[00:17:00] let's be very, very clear, uh, whether it's
[00:17:02] Anthropic,
[00:17:05] it's not our fault, let's be very clear. The responsibility lies
[00:17:08] with these companies, and they must use enough of the funding they
[00:17:12] have to ensure they maintain control of their tool. That is their primary
[00:17:15] responsibility, and no one should ever accept them reneging on
[00:17:19] it in any way whatsoever. That's true for that, and it's also true for the role that AI
[00:17:23] can play globally in our economic balances. We know that today
[00:17:27] if AI captures a portion of the added value, let's say 10% of our added value,
[00:17:31] 10% of our gross domestic product, how will we then
[00:17:34] ensure that society still functions, that we have a sufficient tax
[00:17:38] base to be able to redistribute it, to ensure that common services can be
[00:17:42] paid for? If all of this added value goes to Ireland and
[00:17:45] then to a tax haven and then to the stock market, then
[00:17:49] frankly, we risk bringing down our entire social
[00:17:52] model, and that's a real danger for solidarity. But when we listen to the President of the
[00:17:56] Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, AI is also an economic opportunity to
[00:18:00] gain in competitiveness. I don't
[00:18:02] think, well, it depends on what you call AI, okay? I don't
[00:18:06] think at all that the race... you were talking about a race earlier, to these
[00:18:09] gigantic models like those in the United States or
[00:18:13] China, is a desirable model for all the reasons we've discussed. In China, they are smaller, right?
[00:18:17] No, but they have others. I mean, I put in the same box everything that is
[00:18:21] big tech, actually, the kind of imperium and also imperialistic
[00:18:25] vehicles that are online shopping platforms and so on and so forth, where
[00:18:28] there is also data capture, where you also have algorithms that
[00:18:32] aim to better understand people to induce them to consumption and so
[00:18:36] on and so forth. It's the same logic. This logic is what,
[00:18:40] and besides, it's as old as capitalism, I want to tell you, and you talk about the capture of
[00:18:43] added value, it's a fundamental subject but it's also as old as the
[00:18:47] history of the holders of means of production, to use a Marxist
[00:18:51] lexical field. It's not my school of political thought, I'm an economist, but that makes
[00:18:54] you think. And so always in the history of capitalism there has been the will on
[00:18:59] of industry to build monopolies that
[00:19:03] capture for themselves the added value,
[00:19:06] productivity. For me, big tech and AI, it's
[00:19:10] a new level in that direction, but with a
[00:19:13] capacity for control over our economies and even over our
[00:19:16] democracies. You were talking earlier about taxation, that's something
[00:19:19] essential. These firms have found a way to
[00:19:23] escape taxation. They escape
[00:19:25] the common rule. They substitute themselves for the sovereign
[00:19:29] role of states, for strategic infrastructures, including military ones,
[00:19:33] the fact of having access to citizens' personal data.
[00:19:36] That's what's hitting us, and in the history
[00:19:40] of the power struggle, so
[00:19:43] money and the economy and the general interest, there has never
[00:19:47] been such a great imbalance of what is happening to
[00:19:52] artificial intelligence, the European Union took the lead
[00:19:55] as early as 2024 by adopting a European regulation on artificial
[00:19:59] intelligence, a text that classifies AI models by risk
[00:20:02] level, which prohibits deceiving people, exploiting their
[00:20:05] vulnerability, and... adds transparency obligations to
[00:20:09] companies that develop these models, under penalty
[00:20:12] of fines. A regulation adopted in urgency that the
[00:20:15] President of the European Commission defends.
[00:20:17] Let's listen:
[00:20:20] The European regulation on artificial intelligence is, of course, a cornerstone
[00:20:24] of the safeguards we want to put in place, and thanks to it,
[00:20:27] Europe is able to shape efforts on a global
[00:20:31] scale. We will therefore collaborate with our like-minded
[00:20:34] partners such as Canada and the United Kingdom. We
[00:20:38] want to team up on model evaluation, verification,
[00:20:43] intelligence security, and much more. Ivan
[00:20:47] Verhoofstadt, this regulation was adopted 2 years ago, but there has been a
[00:20:50] rapid acceleration in the development of artificial intelligence models. Is it not
[00:20:54] already obsolete? Well, it's not fully in application yet, so there's
[00:20:58] still a lot of work to do, and as I told you, I think we absolutely must do it,
[00:21:02] it's a necessity. But perhaps, to come back to what was
[00:21:05] said before, what do we realize with
[00:21:08] AI? We realize that there's an acceleration in the
[00:21:11] disembodiment of the economy, meaning
[00:21:15] economy. We come from an agricultural economy, where it's quite
[00:21:18] simple, you have something you can touch. Then you have an industrial
[00:21:22] economy, which you can still more or less touch. Then you have a digital
[00:21:25] economy, which knows no borders. So the big
[00:21:28] civilizational question - I mean, we're really at a turning point in
[00:21:31] civilization - is to know if in these models we will be able
[00:21:35] to recreate a power, a public authority that will have a hand
[00:21:39] in these models, which somehow cannot be touched. And so they have an
[00:21:42] ease, a capacity to avoid all regulations,
[00:21:46] taxation, solidarity, to be concentrated in the hands of a few.
[00:21:49] And... that's really the problem we see and know, and that makes public finances in
[00:21:53] the state they are in. This famous AI will do some education, and
[00:21:57] notably AI companies that would not respect
[00:22:00] all these regulations prohibiting the social scoring
[00:22:04] of individuals, the use of their
[00:22:07] biometric data in real time, etc.,
[00:22:10] would incur fines that can go up to 7% of their global
[00:22:14] turnover. Does that give us the means to really
[00:22:18] see what's happening in development?
[00:22:20] these AI models and above all to frame them sufficiently for our
[00:22:23] citizens in your desire to educate, you are right to do so, the European
[00:22:27] Union during the last mandate, I insist on this point, it was the
[00:22:31] last mandate, many things have changed with this new
[00:22:34] mandate, talked a lot about the green deal, it was very good,
[00:22:37] 65, 70 useful legislations,
[00:22:40] and it produced several fundamental texts on
[00:22:44] tech, the AI Act, Data Act,
[00:22:47] DSA, Digital Service Act, DMA, Digital Market Act,
[00:22:51] these four texts have a logic, it was to structure a line of
[00:22:54] defense and regulation in the name of our
[00:22:57] standards, as you said earlier, not for pleasure, it's not regulated because
[00:23:01] we're stupid and can't innovate, it's because we say we have
[00:23:04] values, we express these values through standards and all
[00:23:08] companies that want to access the world's leading market, which we are,
[00:23:11] must respect these standards in accordance with our values, there is nothing
[00:23:15] restrictive or anti-innovation in that, it's the respect of our fundamental
[00:23:18] values, respect for human rights etc. and so the IAC
[00:23:22] hierarchicalized AI at risk by saying there are those that are very
[00:23:25] risky, those that are moderately risky and so on and so forth with different
[00:23:29] protocols for evaluating them, it does not have the political
[00:23:32] will to apply it, if we make a first line of defense which in my opinion
[00:23:36] is embryonic, that we don't have the advantage, that's where I'm angry with
[00:23:40] Ursula Von der Leyen who in fact deplores the effects whose causes she cherishes,
[00:23:43] when Ursula von der Leyen gives this big speech saying "we're going to agree
[00:23:47] with Canada, with the great..." Britain at the same time, what
[00:23:51] is she doing, she is prostrating herself before Trump with the EU
[00:23:54] US agreement, she is making omnibus, the omnibus and the
[00:23:58] regulations that are coming back on these regulatory defense lines that we haven't even
[00:24:02] started to apply, we are questioning them, and so a word, we must know
[00:24:05] where we want to go. Ivan Verhofstadt, what if we
[00:24:09] intelligence giants and risk a new power struggle with Donald Trump who
[00:24:13] absolutely does not want to regulate them and then we know the trade wars he can wage against us,
[00:24:17] he even appeared with all the... the big AI bosses to say
[00:24:21] no no it's great there will be a code of conduct and
[00:24:24] everything will be fine, I'll tell you if it annoys Donald Trump it's maybe
[00:24:28] one more reason to do it, you know on his cap it doesn't say make
[00:24:32] Europe great again, it says make America or make my friends
[00:24:35] great again so I don't think his objective is really to take care of our common
[00:24:39] good so if it annoys Donald Trump, we don't care at all if I
[00:24:43] may be allowed to say so, today the United States needs us, it
[00:24:46] needs a commission that is much stronger that stands up and that... that is also
[00:24:50] capable of threatening Donald Trump in return by telling him, you know we have 300 billion
[00:24:54] euros that will make your financial markets, we
[00:24:57] buy your digital services, today they pay almost no taxes here,
[00:25:01] we have enough leverage to negotiate with someone like Donald Trump, we must stop
[00:25:04] being afraid, but just to come back to DSA, DMA, it's absolutely true, we
[00:25:08] have implemented legislations, my problem and where I can join the anger
[00:25:12] somewhere regarding the commission today, is that a legislation without
[00:25:15] sanction is like wind without sail, today the sanctions that
[00:25:19] are taken are too slow, too weak, we conduct
[00:25:22] investigations for 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, 3 years in tech, 3 years
[00:25:26] is an eternity, it's centuries in tech, so these legislations today, if
[00:25:30] we want them to be credible, we must apply them with much more rigor, including
[00:25:34] sanctions. A final consideration with you,
[00:25:37] Mr. Corman, the climate in all this, by
[00:25:41] next year, global demand for AI will lead to a consumption of 5
[00:25:44] billion cubic meters of water, that's more than the
[00:25:48] annual consumption of Denmark.
[00:25:50] You say stop AI then for environmentalists,
[00:25:53] ecological transition, and besides, she's a specialist of Von der Leyen, she made the link
[00:25:57] with the transition, the digital revolution as if
[00:26:01] the two fit together. Not at all, besides, I
[00:26:04] commissioned here in this house the first report on the environmental cost of the value
[00:26:08] chain and digital production, not specifically AI in 2020
[00:26:12] and which already showed that it's a disaster and has worsened since,
[00:26:16] you know there's a whole lexical field in tech, it's the clouds, it's the
[00:26:19] unicorns, all that would be immaterial, no, it relies on extremely
[00:26:23] material infrastructures and that's what you're referring to,
[00:26:26] water consumption, energy, besides Emmanuel
[00:26:29] Macron loves it, he'll say I'll finally be able to do something with my nuclear plants.
[00:26:32] I'm going to connect them to huge foreign, extra-European data centers,
[00:26:35] and that's going to be a great business model, all this is a disaster because all
[00:26:39] electricity, including nuclear, I'm not for nuclear, that you use for these
[00:26:43] damned data centers, you don't use it for the decarbonization of our
[00:26:47] economy and therefore you remain dependent on
[00:26:50] American fossils or
[00:26:53] others, and so that's one of the additional problems posed
[00:26:56] by big tech and AI and many challenges to be met regarding this artificial
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