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[00:00:00] Report to be seen on France
[00:00:02] 24,
[00:00:06] good evening everyone and welcome if you are joining us on France 24 as part
[00:00:09] of this special page dedicated to
[00:00:13] the results of the social democrat left primary
[00:00:16] PS place publique the results that
[00:00:19] just came in a few minutes ago and Raphael
[00:00:22] Gluxman is largely leading this
[00:00:26] primary with 79,000
[00:00:28] Meyerossignol, who is the representative of votes, which is 66. 13% of the votes. Raphael
[00:00:32] Gluxmann, whose speech we are awaiting in a few moments
[00:00:36] from the Solaris hall in the 20th arrondissement of Paris, where the
[00:00:39] results were communicated
[00:00:43] earlier by the former PS deputy
[00:00:46] Patrick Menucci.
[00:00:49] For the other results, it is a real disavowal for the first secretary
[00:00:53] of the socialist party Olivier Fort who only collects
[00:00:56] 14% of the votes, 7.62
[00:01:00] % for the former presidential candidate of 2007 and
[00:01:03] former minister Ségolène Royal,
[00:01:06] 5.92% for Emmanuel Morel, deputy of
[00:01:09] the republican and socialist left and
[00:01:12] 5.83 % of the votes for
[00:01:16] deputy Jérôme Guedge, we are still
[00:01:19] here to talk about it with our guest Frédéric Saviki, good evening again,
[00:01:22] I remind you that you are a professor of political science at the University of Paris Panthéon
[00:01:26] Sorbonne, researcher at the European center for sociology and political science,
[00:01:30] affiliated with the CNRS, so we are waiting in a few moments for the speech
[00:01:34] of Raphael Gluxman, in any case, the result
[00:01:37] was extremely clear for him, more than 66
[00:01:41] % of the votes,
[00:01:44] Sunday in the Africa we didn't expect such a score, yes, we didn't expect such a
[00:01:46] score, there were still five candidates, so you see
[00:01:50] getting two-thirds of the votes when there are five candidates in total, it's
[00:01:53] still a real performance, so he was the most
[00:01:57] anticipated candidate, why was he the most anticipated? because he is also the most
[00:02:01] known, the one who has regularly
[00:02:04] been tested for several years by polling institutes
[00:02:07] as a potential candidate, he benefited and
[00:02:11] thank you to the socialist party for being launched
[00:02:14] in 2019 at the European elections as a lead candidate and then again
[00:02:18] in 2024, which means that
[00:02:21] he has already led national campaigns even if
[00:02:24] obviously it was much less personalized than the presidential
[00:02:28] election will be, and so we can... say that a fairly large
[00:02:32] part of the voters made a useful vote by telling themselves
[00:02:35] that finally it was better to listen
[00:02:38] to Gluxman now this fight, now I'm going to make the declaration
[00:02:56] is moving towards the podium, we will listen to his
[00:02:59] victory speech in a few moments,
[00:03:03] excuse me, I interrupted you Frédéric Saviki on yes, I was just saying
[00:03:06] that indeed I think a significant portion of
[00:03:10] voters must have voted strategically for some of them and then another portion
[00:03:13] was no doubt seduced
[00:03:17] by this rather uncompromising stance towards
[00:03:21] La France Insoumise and so obviously it is up to
[00:03:24] him now to rally all these
[00:03:26] people and during her speech
[00:03:30] her reaction to her defeat earlier, Ségolène Royal said that it was going to
[00:03:33] be difficult, anyway, we will
[00:03:36] result therefore of this primary of probably come back to it, we will first listen to Raphael Gluxman,
[00:03:49] I would like to start by thanking
[00:03:53] all the participants in this democratic
[00:03:57] could say tonight about this social-democratic left exercise. Our political family
[00:04:01] can be proud,
[00:04:02] next editions, in the rest of proud to organize a democratic process
[00:04:06] to resolve its
[00:04:08] will therefore develop the main differences and to
[00:04:10] that a former finalist of choose its candidate for the presidential election of
[00:04:12] 2027. Democracy
[00:04:15] has spoken, it has spoken
[00:04:19] thanks to the activists and militants of the
[00:04:23] Socialist Party, of Place Publique, of
[00:04:27] to restore GRS, and thanks to... all the
[00:04:30] citizens, all the left-wing citizens who
[00:04:34] came, who participated, who
[00:04:37] voted, they give me
[00:04:41] immense hope,
[00:04:44] democracy has spoken and the result is undeniable, I am
[00:04:47] therefore this evening the
[00:04:50] Washington after Donald Trump's announcement of candidate of the democratic left for the presidential election of
[00:04:54] 2027.
[00:05:00] He will therefore be in this campaign the
[00:05:02] candidate for social and
[00:05:05] fiscal justice, for the ecological
[00:05:08] revolution
[00:05:10] and for democracy.
[00:05:13] The candidate for a break with Macronism, the
[00:05:16] candidate for a break with Jean-Luc Mélenchon's hegemony
[00:05:20] over the French left, the
[00:05:22] candidate who will be able to defeat our
[00:05:26] eternal enemy, the far-right,
[00:05:29] no, Madame Le Pen will not be
[00:05:32] at the Elysée in May
[00:05:33] 2027,
[00:05:41] I measure. I measure the immense responsibility
[00:05:44] that this represents. Tonight, the
[00:05:48] battle for France begins. Tonight,
[00:05:51] I call on citizens who
[00:05:54] believe in the spirit of justice that makes
[00:05:57] our nation great.
[00:06:00] I call on sincere republicans, I call on those
[00:06:04] who fight every day to keep the Republic
[00:06:07] standing, those who ensure that solidarity is not an empty word
[00:06:11] in our country. Those who resist injustice,
[00:06:14] those who feel powerless and would like to be able
[00:06:17] to act, I call on all of them to
[00:06:21] join us and lead the campaign,
[00:06:25] this is the most important election of the 5th
[00:06:28] Republic, it is undoubtedly the last
[00:06:31] chance election for France, so that France
[00:06:35] remains itself, a land
[00:06:38] of justice, a land of liberty, a land
[00:06:41] of equality. A land of fraternity, it is
[00:06:44] now that it is being played out, that France
[00:06:47] remains faithful to its ideal
[00:06:51] of justice and to its greatness, my
[00:06:55] first responsibility is
[00:06:57] to unite, to unite the entire
[00:07:00] socialist family, to unite
[00:07:03] then the entire family of the democratic
[00:07:06] left, I tell you,
[00:07:10] our real adversary,
[00:07:13] "it is not in this space, our
[00:07:16] real adversary, is the far-right, and we
[00:07:20] will unite to go into battle and
[00:07:24] prevent the Trumpists, the Putinists, the
[00:07:26] xenophobes and the demagogues from seizing the
[00:07:30] Republic,
[00:07:39] my responsibility is therefore to unite and I
[00:07:42] salute you Emmanuel, I see you in the hall
[00:07:46] and I congratulate you for your
[00:07:48] campaign,
[00:07:52] to unite the entire
[00:07:55] family and to go into battle
[00:07:58] together, each and every one has their
[00:08:02] place, their role in this
[00:08:05] battle, it is also about uniting
[00:08:08] to carry out the ecological
[00:08:11] revolution. The environmentalists, all the
[00:08:14] environmental activists, it is about uniting the
[00:08:17] supporters of social and fiscal justice, it is about
[00:08:21] uniting beyond parties, the citizens who are active
[00:08:25] in society and who
[00:08:28] want, who want to take their part in the
[00:08:32] great struggle that is coming. My
[00:08:34] second responsibility, I tell you,
[00:08:38] is to say nothing that we will not keep later.
[00:08:43] The situation of our democracy is too
[00:08:46] serious, the suspicion of insincerity that weighs
[00:08:49] on the political elite is too deep,
[00:08:53] we are going to run a campaign without
[00:08:56] lying and we are going to show one thing
[00:08:59] that sincerity can
[00:09:01] win,
[00:09:10] so tonight I call... all lovers of
[00:09:13] democracy, all lovers of Republican France,
[00:09:16] to mobilize right now,
[00:09:19] not simply to prevent the worst
[00:09:22] from happening, but because we can still build
[00:09:26] the best together, for ourselves, for our
[00:09:29] children, with this primary, we have
[00:09:33] given strength back to the left, it is now up
[00:09:36] to all of us
[00:09:40] France's power, Thank you,
[00:09:43] this is just the
[00:09:44] beginning,
[00:09:52] speech, this victory speech by Raphael Gluxmann, easy winner
[00:09:55] of the social democratic left primary
[00:09:59] with 66.13
[00:10:03] % of the votes, he is therefore the sole candidate of the PS Place
[00:10:06] Publique for the 2027 presidential election, it is just after
[00:10:10] 7pm here in Paris and good evening to those who... are joining us in this
[00:10:13] special page dedicated to these results of the
[00:10:16] social democratic primary, so Raphael Gluxman came in
[00:10:20] first with 66.13 % of the votes, a real
[00:10:24] blow for Olivier Fort, the first secretary of the PS, only 14
[00:10:28] % of the votes, 7.62
[00:10:30] % for the former presidential candidate Ségolène
[00:10:34] Royal, Emmanuel Morel only collected 5.92
[00:10:38] % of the votes and 5.83 %
[00:10:41] for deputy Jérôme Guedge and we are still with
[00:10:44] our guest Frédéric Saviki, professor of political science at
[00:10:48] the University of Paris Panthéon Sorbonne, researcher at the European center for
[00:10:51] sociology and political science affiliated with the CNRS.
[00:10:55] Frédéric Saviki, we have just listened to the speech, the
[00:10:58] victory address of Raphael Gluxman, who obviously
[00:11:02] expresses his pride, his joy, a speech
[00:11:06] nevertheless tinged with gravity, we can say, with these
[00:11:09] phrases, tonight, the battle for France begins so that the
[00:11:12] Republic, nothing less, stands strong, the election,
[00:11:16] it is the most important of the 5th Republic, the election, he says, of the
[00:11:20] last chance for France to remain faithful to its greatness and to its
[00:11:23] ideal of justice. Raphael Gluxman also
[00:11:26] designated the sole and unique
[00:11:29] adversary at this stage for the left
[00:11:33] which is the far right absolutely it's a
[00:11:36] speech to say the far right is a priority
[00:11:40] indeed for Gluxman it's the enemy so it's not
[00:11:44] so much LFI as we would like to say that's also what we need to
[00:11:48] understand by that well on the substance he he is obviously right
[00:11:51] because all his fight now will be both to
[00:11:54] qualify. possibly the second round and then to
[00:11:57] beat
[00:11:59] Marine Le Pen if she is the one who goes all the way with this idea
[00:12:03] obviously that Jean-Luc Mélenchon would not be able to would not be able
[00:12:06] today to achieve this performance so that's also what
[00:12:10] is at stake here obviously he also has an
[00:12:13] insistence I noted the term democratic
[00:12:16] left so that means there would be a left that
[00:12:19] would be less democratic or not democratic so it's a way of skillfully
[00:12:23] differentiating himself from... LFI, but I don't know how it
[00:12:27] will be interpreted by all left-wing voters, with this
[00:12:30] very important idea of ecological revolution
[00:12:34] too, the message, well, he didn't
[00:12:37] talk about communists, but he clearly talked about ecologists, that will be in a certain
[00:12:41] way his first, his first
[00:12:43] mission, if we can say so, his first challenge,
[00:12:46] well, he wanted to be the candidate for social and fiscal justice and ecological
[00:12:49] transition, so indeed, while uniting the
[00:12:53] socialists, it might be... difficult but still with his score
[00:12:57] it could be easier than he feared, on the other hand,
[00:13:00] now he will have to prevent environmentalists from looking
[00:13:04] to Jean-Luc Mélenchon, both the party itself
[00:13:08] and the voters, so we expect him on that
[00:13:11] ground too, and finally he has a last point if we want to affirm that he will
[00:13:15] indeed be a democratic left,
[00:13:19] the big question is how he intends to embody the presidential
[00:13:22] role if he is to take it on, that is to say are we going to continue in the
[00:13:25] Jupiterian style, implied no, so he will
[00:13:29] have to, he said during the last debate, he wanted to break with that absolutely, and there we will
[00:13:32] also expect him on democratic and institutional proposals because
[00:13:36] we remember that for the Yellow Vests, it was a
[00:13:39] strong demand, the citizens' initiative referendum
[00:13:43] for others the idea that we must depersonalize and
[00:13:46] depresidentialize power, it is highly anticipated on the left, so here
[00:13:49] too he will also have to convince that if
[00:13:52] he governs it will not be entirely.
[00:13:58] again implied, during the last debate against the
[00:14:01] other candidates, well, the challenge will really be to
[00:14:05] unite the left, Ségolène Royal, during her
[00:14:08] post-defeat reaction, said it would be
[00:14:11] very, very difficult. Yes, Ségolène says
[00:14:15] that, she kind of self-appoints herself as the guardian of the
[00:14:18] socialist temple, but obviously with
[00:14:21] 7.6 % of the
[00:14:24] votes. and we are still less expected and less
[00:14:27] heard, that is to say, well, she tried a comeback anyway and
[00:14:31] then we have to admit
[00:14:35] the presidential election, who got 47% against Sarkozy in 2007, what is the message anyway, we
[00:14:38] want new faces, I am
[00:14:41] she tries somehow to impose herself on the political landscape, I'm not sure that the
[00:14:45] score she got allows her to claim it, so
[00:14:48] she had the experience on her side but obviously it didn't convince
[00:14:52] many of the voters who participated. in the
[00:14:56] vote, so I'm not sure she will continue to
[00:15:00] play an important role in the
[00:15:03] coming months, we might see other socialists actually take her
[00:15:07] place, socialists who would have or who will have
[00:15:10] supported Raphael Gluxmann right
[00:15:13] from this election, there are still quite a few
[00:15:16] and we don't find them so much in Olivier Fort's camp, we find them rather in the opposite camp,
[00:15:20] so the whole question obviously now will be, will
[00:15:23] this vote cause a deflagration within the socialist
[00:15:27] party, in other words, Olivier Fort, speaking of him, only 14
[00:15:30] % of the votes, there too, yes, he said he
[00:15:34] said he would stay no matter what at the head of the socialist party, but
[00:15:37] it is clear that when you have such a low
[00:15:41] score, even if it's not only socialists who voted, it's
[00:15:44] still going to be very, very complicated to be able to continue to
[00:15:48] lead this party, we risk seeing in the coming days a call
[00:15:52] for a resignation or at least well, Boris Vallot supported
[00:15:55] his main
[00:15:58] challenger, president of the socialist group, supported Raphaël Gluxmann from the
[00:16:02] first round, Nicolas
[00:16:06] the other internal opposition current, supported Raphaël Gluxmann,
[00:16:09] so we can imagine that these
[00:16:12] leaders will try in one way or another to
[00:16:16] push Olivier Fort towards the exit door, so he's not
[00:16:20] obliged to resign, he doesn't have to, only a congress can potentially, but
[00:16:23] he is already a minority in the party, but it's true that it will be
[00:16:27] very, very complicated and at most
[00:16:30] we can imagine, if he didn't resign,
[00:16:33] that he would adopt a fairly low profile in the
[00:16:36] coming campaign. And that's it for him, it's really
[00:16:40] going to be a bit of a desert crossing for the
[00:16:43] next few weeks or months. What could
[00:16:47] now allow this social-democratic left, whose face
[00:16:50] for the presidential election is Raphaël Gluxmann, to catch up with Jean-Luc
[00:16:54] Mélenchon? Well, he still
[00:16:57] remains much less known than Jean-Luc
[00:17:01] Mélenchon to the general public. In the first
[00:17:04] TV shows that took place during
[00:17:08] the primary, well, we reached a maximum of 1.8
[00:17:10] million
[00:17:12] viewers,
[00:17:14] and that's not negligible, but it's still not huge. So now
[00:17:18] he's going to be put more in the spotlight, French people will
[00:17:22] get to know him, and it will be up
[00:17:25] to him to show that he has the stature, because
[00:17:29] the problem, if you will, for Raphaël Gluxmann, is both
[00:17:32] indeed his perception as a
[00:17:35] newcomer, let's say, liberal,
[00:17:38] even if he largely corrected the course and he didn't
[00:17:41] support Macron in 2017, so that's still to his credit, it's
[00:17:44] undeniable, and he's doing what it takes to send signals to the
[00:17:48] left, but above all, the question will obviously be, is
[00:17:51] someone who is just a European deputy, who has
[00:17:54] never been a minister, who has never been at the
[00:17:57] head of an executive, is he capable
[00:18:00] of actually meeting the challenges that he himself has
[00:18:03] highlighted? So now it's indeed
[00:18:07] uh I was going to say he will
[00:18:10] have to throw himself into the battle without a safety net, so
[00:18:14] I'm waiting to see, I would refrain from making any
[00:18:17] predictions, he still has a capital of 8, 9, 10%
[00:18:21] of potential voters. Uh, we have already seen
[00:18:24] reversals to the detriment of, for example, Benot in 2017, he
[00:18:28] was largely ahead of Jean-Luc Mélenchon, he collapsed, what
[00:18:32] is it today that tells us what to draw, well, what, well,
[00:18:36] that in a presidential campaign, as much as
[00:18:39] the blocs are quite
[00:18:42] fixed, a far-right bloc, a right-wing,
[00:18:46] center-right bloc and then a left-wing bloc, as much as the
[00:18:49] balance of power within these blocs can be subject
[00:18:52] to upheavals, if only because there is also a logic
[00:18:56] of strategic voting in presidential elections, many
[00:18:59] left-wing voters will want to avoid at all costs that Marine Le Pen
[00:19:02] wins, and if from January, February it
[00:19:06] is regularly confirmed by polls that a second round of Jean-Luc
[00:19:10] Mélenchon, Marine Le Pen, is the almost
[00:19:12] certain guarantee that Marine Le Pen will be at the Élysée, we can
[00:19:16] think that a number of voters will change their
[00:19:20] minds, just as for center-right voters, if
[00:19:23] by chance, well, at bottom, whether Édouard Philippe's
[00:19:27] very, very right-wing positions don't take off,
[00:19:30] Raphaël Gluxman can also gain
[00:19:34] votes from that side, we'll hear Olivier Fort's speech.
[00:19:37] Olivier Fort, first secretary of the socialist
[00:19:39] party.
[00:19:49] Does it work? Yes, you are live, we are listening to you. Tonight,
[00:19:53] I am proud to lead a party that organized an
[00:19:56] open primary for its sympathizers. I
[00:20:00] want to warmly thank those who
[00:20:03] made this vote possible, including
[00:20:07] when we had to face a large-scale
[00:20:10] cyberattack. 120,787
[00:20:14] citizens were therefore able to participate in this
[00:20:16] election after three televised
[00:20:19] debates. Several million French women and
[00:20:22] men attended these exchanges, I
[00:20:26] see this as a sign of renewed interest in democratic
[00:20:29] and ecological socialism.
[00:20:31] A very clear majority emerged
[00:20:35] in the first round.
[00:20:39] You managed to convince a majority of voters and I
[00:20:43] respect the democratic process of the primary that I
[00:20:47] wanted too much not to accept it with wisdom.
[00:20:51] "You are now the elected candidate of the three associated
[00:20:54] parties in this primary, Place Publique, the Socialist
[00:20:58] Party and the Republican and Socialist
[00:21:01] Left. I thank all the
[00:21:04] candidates, Ségolène Royal, Emmanuel Morel, Jérôme
[00:21:07] Guedge, who in this exercise, all
[00:21:11] made possible a debate that I believe
[00:21:14] was enlightening and a debate that also allowed to show what
[00:21:18] the democratic left was capable of.
[00:21:20] Both a confrontation and at the same time mutual
[00:21:23] respect. Finally, I would like to thank the 18,000
[00:21:27] voters who chose my ballot. All
[00:21:31] of you said a simple thing: we will win
[00:21:34] this presidential election through a united
[00:21:37] left, the socialist,
[00:21:40] environmentalist, communist
[00:21:43] left, the trade union left, the associative
[00:21:46] left, that of local elected officials. Without
[00:21:50] this galaxy that I wished to embody in this primary, no
[00:21:53] social and ecological transformation is imaginable.
[00:21:57] As first secretary, I will continue to contribute
[00:22:00] to it. From Tuesday, I will be alongside
[00:22:04] high school students and university students, and
[00:22:08] in the fight over the budget.
[00:22:11] There you have it, we now have a candidate, and it is up to all of us
[00:22:14] to forge this spirit of victory together.
[00:22:17] Thank you!
[00:22:26] And that's it for the speech by Olivier Fort, First Secretary of the
[00:22:29] Socialist Party, who, we remind you, only achieved
[00:22:32] 14% uh, only gathered, pardon,
[00:22:36] 14% of the votes from this vote, the social-democratic
[00:22:39] primary, of which Raphaël Gluxmann, we remind
[00:22:43] you for those joining us, is the big winner with over
[00:22:46] 66% of the votes, 12,000 voters.
[00:22:50] participated in this primary, perhaps a final word
[00:22:53] uh on that, Mr. Saviki,
[00:22:56] uh well, Olivier Fort logically
[00:23:00] calls for unity, besides for Raphael Gluxman, it's
[00:23:03] a particularly painful
[00:23:07] defeat. Yes, he showed a lot of dignity and
[00:23:10] responsibility in his intervention, but anyway,
[00:23:13] well, uh he announced that he would remain in
[00:23:17] office. It remains to be seen now if other
[00:23:20] members of the Socialist Party leadership will continue
[00:23:24] to accept him remaining in office or if they will not exert
[00:23:28] pressure for him to leave. So we could say that on the one
[00:23:31] hand, it's not the time to declare open warfare and sow
[00:23:35] discord so as not to tarnish
[00:23:37] this democratic momentum. So perhaps we
[00:23:41] will see in the coming weeks and months
[00:23:44] a kind of status quo until
[00:23:47] the presidential election itself, but uh it is clear that
[00:23:51] Olivier Fort appears more and more as a first
[00:23:55] secretary who is hanging by a thread and who will have to show indeed that he
[00:23:59] is uh I was going to say alongside the candidate
[00:24:02] Luxman, everything
[00:24:05] by trying, for example, by participating in demonstrations at the level of
[00:24:08] budgetary policy, since he is a parliamentarian, uh trying
[00:24:12] to assert indeed his line that he defends, but we will see
[00:24:15] indeed how he manages to overcome this challenge, thank you
[00:24:19] very much. for analyzing and commenting
[00:24:22] for us on France 24 the
[00:24:26] the social-democratic left, which I remind you, uh the
[00:24:30] result 66.13
[00:24:33] % for Raphael Gluxmann who therefore wins this primary
[00:24:37] easily, only 14% for Olivier Fort, first secretary of the Socialist
[00:24:40] Party, so you were able to follow his speech
[00:24:43] a few moments ago on our channel, that's what we
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[00:30:07] It's 8pm here in Paris, good evening everyone and welcome, if you are joining us on France
[00:30:11] 24, you are always at the heart of the news, we are together until
[00:30:14] 9pm Paris time, here are the main headlines of this
[00:30:17] Sunday, Raphael Gluxmann, landslide winner of the
[00:30:21] social-democratic left primary with more than
[00:30:24] 66% of the votes, he will therefore be the sole candidate
[00:30:28] of the PS and Place Publique for the 2027 presidential election
[00:30:31] and it's a real [unclear] for the first secretary of the Socialist Party Olivier Fort
[00:30:34] who came in 2nd position with only 14% of the votes,
[00:30:37] Raphaël Gluxman calls for unity to defeat
[00:30:41] the far right, the battle of France begins so
[00:30:45] that the republic stands, he stressed.
[00:30:49] Ukraine says it is awaiting details from
[00:30:53] the conclusion of an energy ceasefire between Kyiv and Moscow, of which
[00:30:56] Volodimir Zelenski says he was not informed.