FRANCE24 — broadcast 20261012 193000 UTC 434 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] to follow on France 24 and our social [00:00:02] networks, [00:00:06] back to basics, live news on France 24, [00:00:10] today is the day the Israeli documentary Naza is released in France, [00:00:13] a film based on the anonymous testimony of 24 [00:00:17] members of the Israeli army. It helps to [00:00:20] understand what is sometimes called collateral damage, the fact [00:00:23] that civilians were killed sometimes intentionally, a documentary in [00:00:27] any case that caused an uproar in Israel. The Prime Minister is even [00:00:31] calling for an investigation into the identity of the members [00:00:33] migratory routes of the Horn of of those who testified in the film, [00:00:37] these are four letters that never cease to [00:00:40] networks, that of propaganda and cause a stir in Israel. NASA, the documentary that accuses the Israeli [00:00:43] army of knowingly killing many [00:00:46] West Africa has known. civilians in Gaza, is once again in the [00:00:47] spotlight. [00:00:54] Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants an investigation to [00:00:58] identify the 24 members of the armed forces who testify [00:01:01] anonymously in the film. He asked the Chief of Staff of the Israeli [00:01:05] army, the head of Shinbet and the State Prosecutor [00:01:09] to open a thorough investigation targeting the participants in [00:01:12] the film NASA and to prosecute them. One [00:01:16] month before the highly contested legislative elections in the country, the Israeli [00:01:21] you everywhere in the world and at all hours of authorities are exacerbating nationalist sentiment. Benjamin Netanyahu also announced a bill to [00:01:24] strip people who defame soldiers of the Israeli army of their citizenship. [00:01:28] The directors Yuval Abraham and Rachel [00:01:32] Sour are thus regularly accused of treason, which they [00:01:35] denounce on social networks. [00:01:38] We made this film to spark a public debate on the [00:01:42] government's actions in Gaza. Journalism is [00:01:45] not treason, criticism is not treason. The film, [00:01:49] awarded the jury prize at the Venice Film Festival, will be screened for [00:01:52] 48 hours in France starting today, with 500 screenings planned. To be [00:01:56] accessible to as many people as possible, it will [00:01:58] showers, the Minister of then be streamed online for free at... [00:02:10] The government here assures that the incident is not [00:02:13] linked to the high school protest that is currently disrupting the country, a principal and [00:02:17] a teacher shot and wounded by a student, the scene took place [00:02:21] in a college in Aubine near Marseille, the shooter is a 14-year-old [00:02:24] teenager enrolled in this establishment, he was [00:02:28] disarmed and arrested, his name and his parents are in police custody this [00:02:31] evening Anaï for France Télévision: [00:02:34] supported by their parents, the students of Lacanale college in Aubagne [00:02:38] leave the establishment one by one, still [00:02:41] traumatized, all were present in the building when a [00:02:44] 3rd grade student opened fire on [00:02:47] finally able to return to school their principal and a [00:02:48] teacher, [00:02:51] but it's okay, I was traumatized but everything is fine, can we [00:02:55] the Front for the Refoundation of ask you what happened, what you [00:02:57] good, but the Minister of saw, well I just saw a pool of blood in the staff room, but... there was a [00:03:00] student having a panic attack and [00:03:03] rebel figure of men are at the heart of there were others crying, one was crying for his sister because he didn't know if she [00:03:07] speech, the speech of was okay or not, the emotion after having experienced anxiety, it's about [00:03:11] 9am this morning when a student enters the college with [00:03:15] a guitar case in which a hunting rifle is hidden, on the [00:03:19] first floor he shoots twice and wounds the [00:03:22] principal and a teacher present in the hallway, he [00:03:26] then goes up to the second floor, opens fire again towards the... [00:03:30] ground just in front of another teacher, then the [00:03:34] suspect heads towards a classroom full of students and [00:03:37] shoots towards the blackboard, just after the [00:03:40] shooting, several college students who were trying to flee like this young [00:03:43] man found themselves in front of the shooter, I saw him running with [00:03:47] his weapon, he shot for everyone to get out of the way, I saw him [00:03:50] directly and when he shot everyone screamed [00:03:53] ran and everything, I saw him, he passed quite close to me and then the whole [00:03:57] class rushed into into the... with other people from other [00:04:01] classes, the suspect was finally apprehended by a member of the [00:04:05] school staff before being arrested by the [00:04:08] police, and saw that the CPE [00:04:11] screamed at a [00:04:13] until 12:15 a.m., headlining boy and so he got scared, locked [00:04:17] the room, we were all inside, there were a lot of people crying [00:04:21] and everything, the principal of the [00:04:24] reactions from members of will still have 29 hours, the Ministry of college and the teacher were taken care of by the emergency services, wounded in the [00:04:26] lower body, their lives are not in danger. The parents [00:04:30] of students say they are in shock, she [00:04:33] didn't see, she saw, she called me, she told me there's a lot of blood in the [00:04:36] hallway, she's panicked. A psychological [00:04:40] support unit has been set up to support the students, classes [00:04:44] for the Africa news. will gradually resume from [00:04:46] Wednesday. [00:04:49] Tomorrow, Tuesday, deputies are to vote on the first reading of the so-called comprehensive [00:04:52] bill against gender-based and sexual violence, a [00:04:56] text that aims to act from prevention to sanctions. [00:05:00] In the keys to the news with Cécile [00:05:01] Galutcho. [00:05:06] Hello Cécile. [00:05:08] and not de-escalate the crisis. On the So, what is gender-based and sexual violence? Gender-based [00:05:11] and sexual violence is based on a very clear legal framework. These are words, [00:05:14] gestures or behaviors with sexist or sexual connotations that are not [00:05:18] desired. This includes sexual exhibitionism, which can now [00:05:21] be translated into sending [00:05:25] photos of sexual organs, punishable by a fine of 1500 € and one year [00:05:28] in prison. This is new since deputies voted on it last [00:05:32] Wednesday. This offense applies from the first sending, even if [00:05:36] it is an isolated act. Another violence is [00:05:39] harassment, which requires at least one repetition. This includes [00:05:43] crude jokes, blackmail or degrading comments made in [00:05:46] public. The penalty is 2 years in prison and a 30,000 € [00:05:50] fine. And finally, there are sexual assaults and rapes. The [00:05:53] first is a misdemeanor, for example, a hand on the buttocks, the other is a crime [00:05:57] punishable by 15 years in prison. And each time, [00:06:00] look, it is women who are the first [00:06:03] victims. In 2025, in France, [00:06:06] 132,349 victims were recorded, among them, [00:06:09] 85% are women and 58% are [00:06:13] minors. And these are only the victims known [00:06:16] to law enforcement. So, the so-called comprehensive law aims to act from the [00:06:19] prevention of violence to the conviction of its perpetrators and [00:06:23] with concrete changes. First, specialized [00:06:26] judicial police units would be [00:06:30] responsible for these investigations, but deputies have softened the mechanism, an [00:06:33] investigation could not be canceled solely because it was not [00:06:37] entrusted to a specialized unit. Another important [00:06:40] aspect is therefore protection. of children with, notably, four [00:06:44] mandatory interviews that would be organized during their schooling in order [00:06:47] to identify any violence. From [00:06:50] 2032, it would become annual. The text also provides [00:06:53] for a specific criminal framework for [00:06:57] incest, the definition would also be extended to first [00:07:00] cousins, which is not the case today. The text also [00:07:03] provides for new offenses and stiffens certain [00:07:06] penalties such as the diffusion of intimate images without the person's [00:07:10] consent, now considered a misdemeanor punishable by 2 years [00:07:14] imprisonment and a 60,000 € fine, the penalty would increase to [00:07:17] 3 years in prison when the diffusion is carried out online and [00:07:21] a 75,000 € fine, but not everything in the text is [00:07:24] consensual. Last Friday, deputies narrowly rejected [00:07:28] a specific leave allowing victims to [00:07:31] be absent from work for their medical or judicial procedures. The [00:07:35] government has requested a new deliberation, remains the [00:07:38] question of money, the government estimates the cost of the measures. [00:07:42] between 3 to 4 billion euros from 2027 to [00:07:46] 2032. Thank you Cécile, these were the keys to the news with Cécile [00:07:50] Galoucho. We remain in France and new developments in the investigation into the [00:07:53] two men considered the main [00:07:57] this happened at the museum of Cagnes-sur-Mer in the Alpes Maritimes, they have been indicted [00:08:01] for organized gang theft and criminal conspiracy and we know [00:08:04] more about their profile, we see that with Raymond Chapelard for France [00:08:07] 2. Behind the theft of the young woman at the [00:08:11] well and the portrait. of Madame Colona Romano, two [00:08:15] the investigation, the two alleged thieves. The [00:08:19] first was identified thanks to investigations at the crime [00:08:23] scene in the Renoir Museum in Cagnes-sur-Mer. We [00:08:27] will find the DNA of a 29-year-old [00:08:30] man living in the Var, [00:08:33] unfavorably known to the police services. At his home, [00:08:36] several phones were seized as well as a bag similar to those used during [00:08:40] the theft from the Cagnes-sur-Mer Museum. [00:08:43] A wave jammer and taser cartridges, [00:08:46] was he the mastermind of the operation, impossible to know at this [00:08:50] stage, according to his lawyers, the whole [00:08:53] point of the investigation will be to [00:08:56] determine who does what and the exact [00:08:59] place of my client in the organizational chart, assuming [00:09:03] he has one. The other alleged thief is 41 [00:09:06] years old, also known to the police services, [00:09:10] Auguste Renoir's paintings worth more than 4 million euros were [00:09:14] found last Thursday in Montpellier at a suspected [00:09:17] fence, hidden behind a false wall. The [00:09:21] mayor of Cagnes-sur-Mer says he is relieved by this discovery and is committed to [00:09:25] strengthening the security of the museum. These are works [00:09:28] that will be put in place to modernize the system and the [00:09:31] security systems. We will draw inspiration from what is done in [00:09:35] some major museums in France to [00:09:38] secure them, to modernize them. According to the [00:09:41] first estimates, the works were partially damaged during this [00:09:45] theft, they will have to be restored before finding their [00:09:49] place in Cagnes-sur-Mer. [00:09:52] News continues on France 24, in a moment, Mariame Amelal will meet you [00:10:54] it's difficult. [00:12:10] France 24, top story tonight, the start of the school year in Senegal, it had [00:12:14] been postponed due to the floods, it finally takes place [00:12:18] this Monday despite the weather forecasts of thunderstorms and [00:12:23] Education prefers... to avoid delaying [00:12:27] the resumption too much, we will be in Dakar in this [00:12:30] news. This shipwreck off Djibouti, at least [00:12:33] 139 migrants died and 84 are missing, [00:12:37] mostly Ethiopians, they had taken place in an [00:12:41] overloaded boat, mostly to [00:12:44] reach Yemen via the Strait of [00:12:47] Bab el Mandeb, one of the most dangerous migratory routes in the [00:12:51] world. And then at the end of this news, we take you to [00:12:54] Tunisia. The discovery of a group that combines traditional [00:12:57] Sufi music with electro sounds, a good [00:13:01] way to preserve this Tunisian musical heritage, [00:13:04] report to follow. [00:13:08] Senegalese schoolchildren were [00:13:12] this Monday. The start of the school year had been [00:13:15] delayed due to the deadly [00:13:17] floods. Weather forecasts are still not [00:13:22] Education did not want to delay the resumption any further [00:13:26] to prevent students from falling [00:13:29] behind, our correspondent in Dakar Deli Mandao, not [00:13:33] yet the rush of big days in several schools I was able [00:13:36] to visit this Monday marking the return to class of [00:13:39] students, the start of the school year was postponed by several [00:13:43] days following the floods that shook [00:13:46] Senegal, this parent and his son, however, do not want to [00:13:50] leave room for doubt, I propose that you listen to them, the [00:13:54] postponement was... just to put the learners in better [00:13:57] conditions, so we were not worried, it was for the better [00:14:01] quoi, it's going to be a good year, we 're going to work hard, I'm going to [00:14:05] work a lot to dry them in [00:14:08] this school located in the Sacré-Cœur district, the teaching [00:14:12] staff ensures above all the respect of the hourly [00:14:15] quantum, the school time necessary for students [00:14:19] to acquire the necessary skills to move up to the [00:14:22] next grade, I propose that you listen to the school director [00:14:26] as well as this teacher, the start of the school year went [00:14:29] well, except that the students came in [00:14:32] some classes timidly, but now it's really good, the [00:14:36] week at elementary level is 29 hours of learning time that we [00:14:40] lost, if now the parents [00:14:43] venture to now keep the children for a second week we [00:14:49] National Education, the state authorities attach great importance [00:14:52] to the importance of the quantum. According to the [00:14:55] authorities, more than 200 schools were impacted by the [00:14:59] floods because of this exceptional meteorological [00:15:02] episode in this month of [00:15:04] October. [00:15:07] We come to this new tragedy at sea off Djibouti, migrants, mostly [00:15:10] Ethiopians, perished in the shipwreck of their boat, [00:15:14] an overloaded boat heading for Yemen. The toll is heavy, at least [00:15:18] 139 dead and 84 missing. The regional [00:15:22] correspondence of Bastien Renouille. This is the... [00:15:25] one of the worst maritime tragedies to have taken place along the Djiboutian coast, the survivors told [00:15:28] the International Organization for Migration that the boat was [00:15:32] packed, there were more than 300 people on board and that's what made it [00:15:36] capsize, the survivors. managed to reach the coast by swimming, the [00:15:39] others drowned or were carried away in the Gulf of Aden and according to these [00:15:43] survivors, the vast majority of people on board were Ethiopian, notably [00:15:47] from northern Ethiopia, from the Tigray region, where there are currently clashes between federal [00:15:51] troops and troops of the Tigray People's Liberation Front, these migrants, they were trying to [00:15:53] reach Yemen and then [00:15:57] go to the Gulf countries where they imagine that a more peaceful and prosperous [00:16:01] life awaits them and this tragedy took place next to the [00:16:04] city of Obock, a city that clearly shows the very [00:16:08] singular role of Djibouti in the [00:16:11] Africa, it is a city where two types of migration intersect: first, [00:16:14] Ethiopians who seek to leave the African [00:16:17] continent, despite all the dangers that this represents, the Gulf [00:16:21] of Aden which is often very rough, the fighting taking place in Yemen at this very [00:16:25] moment, and then the passage of the border with Saudi Arabia which is extremely [00:16:28] dangerous, often migrants report having been targeted by Saudi [00:16:32] soldiers, and on the other hand, there are many Yemeni refugees [00:16:36] arriving in Djibouti. to seek refuge in Africa to flee the [00:16:40] fighting between Leuti and the Yemeni government, refugees [00:16:43] who are more than 3000 in this last month due [00:16:47] to extremely intense fighting and who, according [00:16:51] to the UN, could reach 10,000 in the coming [00:16:54] months. [00:16:56] The anger of Chad officially accusing Central African armed forces of an armed [00:17:00] incursion on October 10th in the Tissi border area. Chadian [00:17:04] authorities summoned the Ambassador of Central Africa for a warning [00:17:07] and explanations. Details from our correspondent Jislen [00:17:11] Alatarum. The diplomatic reaction is [00:17:15] firm. The Chadian government denounces an armed incursion [00:17:18] that occurred on October 10th in Abnabak in the Salamat [00:17:21] province near the Central African border. According to [00:17:25] the information, several military and civilians were seriously [00:17:29] injured. No detailed report has been released at this [00:17:32] stage. In response, the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs [00:17:36] Ahmed Kogri. summoned on Sunday the Central [00:17:39] African ambassador, asking him to transmit to the [00:17:42] authorities of his country the official protest of [00:17:45] Chad, with a strong warning. For [00:17:49] N'Djamena, these facts cannot be considered [00:17:51] isolated. He mentions several incursions in the border area [00:17:55] since 2021. The Central African authorities [00:17:59] present their military operations as air [00:18:02] strikes and ground attacks carried out in the [00:18:05] Vakaga prefecture against armed groups [00:18:08] suspected of preparing an offensive, an imminent [00:18:11] offensive. The Chadian government states that no attack on its [00:18:15] sovereignty will go unanswered. [00:18:17] réponse. [00:18:19] And then in the DRC, this last minute according to several sources [00:18:23] close to former President Joseph Kabila, he would take [00:18:27] the lead of a new political-military movement, [00:18:32] the Nation, he would lead it alongside [00:18:36] Corney Nanga and Bertrand Bissimoi, [00:18:41] the AFC M23. And then his [00:18:45] former Congolese President Joseph Kabila did not go [00:18:48] unnoticed this weekend in the Democratic Republic of Congo. It provoked [00:18:52] many reactions in the Congolese political class. Joseph [00:18:56] Kabila once again accused Félix Tshisekedi of having [00:18:59] led the country into a major political, security and economic [00:19:03] crisis. Details from our correspondent in Kinshasa, Aurélie [00:19:06] Bazaraki. Joseph Kabila [00:19:10] is masked, this is the front page of this newspaper, [00:19:14] so the former president's speech is on the front page of many [00:19:18] newspapers here in Kinshasa, as are the [00:19:21] reactions, starting with that of Finance Minister Doudou [00:19:24] Fuamba, while Joseph Kabila claims that public debt has [00:19:28] exploded since Félix Tshisekedi took power, [00:19:32] Doudou Fouamba, in a quantified demonstration, [00:19:35] defends a public debt that he considers sustainable and useful for [00:19:38] financing infrastructure, while accusing Joseph Kabila [00:19:42] of denial. Another reaction is that of the Minister of [00:19:46] Transport Jean-Pierre Bemba, this heavyweight of the [00:19:49] presidential majority, denounces Joseph Kabila's 18 years [00:19:52] in power, which he considers illegitimate and marked by [00:19:56] terror and massacres. So on social media, many [00:20:01] the majority have been seen to defend the president's [00:20:04] record. We saw a sortie. almost [00:20:08] I would say unsynchronized by the majority, which aimed more [00:20:12] to preserve the president than to strategically respond [00:20:16] to the attack by former President Kabila, but at the same time it [00:20:19] was a form of, I would say, acceptance of the conflict, [00:20:23] a majority which for the moment thinks in a logic of total [00:20:27] exclusion of Kabila and everything that comes from Kabila is met with [00:20:30] aggressiveness and exclusion rather than a logic that is both [00:20:34] I would say a de-escalation or perhaps an [00:20:37] acceptance. So while we thought there would be a form of indifference, they [00:20:41] chose to embrace the conflict [00:20:45] opposition side, there were few or no reactions. [00:20:48] Princepe, spokesperson for the Lamuka coalition, states [00:20:52] that both Félix Tshisekedi and Joseph Kabila have, and I quote, [00:20:56] pushed the country into a precipice, he calls for a [00:20:59] appeased discourse with a view to organizing an inclusive national [00:21:03] dialogue. [00:21:05] In Ethiopia, the federal army continues its advance into the rebel [00:21:09] Tigray region. It has managed to retake [00:21:12] the important city of Adwa, without [00:21:15] encountering any real resistance, the Tigrayan [00:21:18] rebels had to retreat towards the border with [00:21:21] Eritrea and a situation that worries Ethiopians [00:21:24] while another war is being fought on the ground of social [00:21:30] disinformation. Journalists have limited access to the [00:21:33] front, verifying what is happening there is often impossible. [00:21:37] Report by our teams in Addis [00:21:38] Ababa. [00:21:41] Around a coffee, these three friends get information about the ongoing conflict via Tiktok [00:21:45] or Telegram. By scrolling through the publications, they come across a [00:21:49] message from... [00:21:56] Today in Ethiopia, everyone uses their [00:21:59] phone, [00:22:01] but since the resumption of fighting in Tigray, disinformation is spreading on social [00:22:05] networks, government and videos or [00:22:09] uses artificial intelligence for propaganda [00:22:11] purposes. [00:22:19] We found that this image had been published. We therefore concluded that it was neither recent nor [00:22:23] current and that there was no ongoing roadblock or [00:22:26] blockage of transport by armed groups like the Phanos in the [00:22:30] Amara region. [00:22:34] Having become essential, social networks are not a reliable source, so this [00:22:38] organization teaches journalism students to verify the authenticity of an [00:22:41] image. [00:22:48] It's fake because his fingers is out of nature is six. [00:23:22] 800 problematic publications, they have since been [00:23:25] deleted. [00:23:29] Finally, we go to Tunisia to talk to you about the musical duo Jateb, [00:23:32] a duo that reconnects with traditional Sufi [00:23:35] chants, harmoniously mixed with [00:23:38] electro sounds, a way to also preserve a [00:23:42] part of Tunisian heritage, report by Lilia Blaz and [00:23:45] Hamdili. [00:23:53] With his dj ridou that he made himself, Mohamed [00:23:56] Barsawi seeks organic sounds to compose his [00:23:59] music, it's a sound that we feel in our [00:24:02] body [00:24:04] and it's also a sound that can be used as in electronic [00:24:07] music, that's what we call the [00:24:10] bendier, it's a 100% Tunisian [00:24:13] instrument, [00:24:18] we consider it a ritual instrument that possesses a certain [00:24:22] force, a certain energy just like the DJ Ridou, and that's why [00:24:25] it integrates perfectly with our compositions. The association of these [00:24:29] different instruments gives Jazab, the musical duo [00:24:32] he forms with Miriam, where the texts of Tunisian Sufism [00:24:36] are revisited accompanied by this instrumental [00:24:38] blend. [00:24:44] Sufism has always followed me in my musical journey, even if I have [00:24:48] tried other genres. We always end up returning to these texts which [00:24:52] represent a part of us, a part of our heritage, so [00:24:56] I try to draw as much inspiration as possible from it. It's difficult to [00:24:59] explain, because it's a feeling, it's like an intuition [00:25:02] that we must base ourselves on this heritage to create. An [00:25:05] appropriation of the texts and of a music threatened with [00:25:08] disappearance, as evoked by one of the masters of Stambelli, [00:25:12] Salah, whom Miriem and Mohammed often visit for advice [00:25:16] in his shop in the heart of the Medina of [00:25:18] Tunis. I also learned with masters throughout [00:25:22] my life, it's a long process, you have to be [00:25:25] passionate and ready to learn with patience, even the elders [00:25:29] say: we always learn, it never [00:25:31] stops, but Miriam and Mohammed do not lose hope of making the [00:25:35] diversity and richness of this music better known, during a concert during [00:25:39] the summer in Zarwen, north of Tunisia, they played in front of a [00:25:42] popular [00:25:47] audience. [00:26:02] concert took place on the site of Tuburbomajus, an [00:26:05] archaeological site that bears the traces of the different civilizations that have [00:26:09] crossed [00:26:10] Tunisia. [00:26:17] That's it, and before we leave each other, the team of the Africa Journal joins me to [00:26:20] congratulate our correspondent in Dakar Elimandao on the birth [00:26:24] of his granddaughter Aïsatou Venus. Congratulations to the father [00:26:28] and mother and a long life to all three, this is the end [00:26:31] of the Africa Journal. Stay with us, the news continues on France [00:26:34] 24. [00:29:17] dowry still weighs on women, money, [00:29:19] jewelry, car. To marry their daughters, parents must [00:29:23] comply with the demands of the in-laws. [00:29:25] famille. [00:29:28] You will have to do this, you will have to give that while the market. [00:29:32] of marriage is thriving, without a dowry, marriage can turn into [00:29:36] drama, and when these demands are not met, women [00:29:40] often say they are victims of physical violence, [00:29:43] harassment, violence, sometimes death, to change [00:29:47] things, some refuse the established order. We [00:29:50] also try to make families understand that this practice is [00:29:53] bad, things change, slowly, but [00:29:57] surely. [00:30:00] Reporter, to see on. France [00:30:02] 24 [00:30:07] Good evening everyone, it's 10 p.m. here in Paris, happy to find you in the 360 [00:30:11] news on France 24, we are together live [00:30:16] tonight in France, some blockades in high schools this [00:30:20] Monday on the eve of a new national mobilization, at [00:30:23] least eight staff members were injured, the National Education denounces an [00:30:27] intensification of violence, so what [00:30:29] to expect tomorrow Tuesday? We will also see [00:30:33] why this movement interests so many abroad [00:30:36] with our guests Richard Verli correspondent for the Swiss daily [00:30:40] Blick and Paolo Levi correspondent for the Italian [00:30:44] news agency Ansa. [00:30:46] The war in Ukraine after new Russian strikes, Volodimir [00:30:50] Zelenski accuses Moscow tonight of having violated the energy [00:30:53] truce announced unilaterally by American president Donald [00:30:57] Trump. NATO in parallel we will see that...